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Olivia

1/26/08, 14:22:pm

Go OBAMA

OBAMA 08



getyourhandouttamypocket

1/26/08, 14:24:pm

RIDE OR DIE BYTCH!

Let’s get it!!! OBAMA ‘08!



Hey

1/26/08, 14:26:pm

Go, Go, Go OBAMA 2008! We are patiently waiting for your here in Cali!

And to MSNBC, yes we are watching and paying close attention to current political primaries and the Clinton race-baiting!!!



Sistah gal

1/26/08, 14:32:pm

bossip, this about the smarted stance you’ve ever taken — OBAMA/BLOOMBERG 2008!!!!



ChicaWest

1/26/08, 14:35:pm

Obama supporter since 2004!

GO OBAMA!!!!!!



Kai

1/26/08, 14:38:pm

THIS is what I LOVE to see! Support this man…He is a GREAT candidate! BARACK ROCKS!!!!!!



Keif K

1/26/08, 14:41:pm

Go Obama and check out another influential Chicago black man my*****e.com/keifk



sho nuff da stuff

1/26/08, 14:47:pm

YIPPY….Go OBAMA! 2008OBAMA’S FOR YO MOMMA



Bohwe

1/26/08, 14:48:pm

I will vote for him, and any other black person that doesn’t , than that’s fine with me. I was upset by the lack of support from black folks, but who cares, at this point.



VictoriousOne...

1/26/08, 14:49:pm

Damn those old time chitlin puppet supporters were the same folks that fought for us to get were we are today.

I am a Obama supporter, but damn….opinions are like ***** holes, everybody has one.



Charden

1/26/08, 14:49:pm

I just voted for Sen. Obama an hour ago. I also stirred my sister and her family to Ba-rock the vote. SC for Obama! Yeah!



I SWEAR IGORANCE MUST BE BLISS

1/26/08, 14:50:pm

It’s a free country.people can vote 4 whomever they damn well please.not every black person will vote 4 Obama.not every white person will vote 4 Hilary.go with the better candidate …not focusing on the fact that a person looks like you.:P



yea

1/26/08, 14:52:pm

WOW This so sad and ignorant. I will never vote for someone because they’re black.



I'm just sayin'....no stan, no hater

1/26/08, 14:55:pm

i will say this…Obama is very smart gettin’ with the celebs to back him up.You know the world worships celebrities, so when he got Oprah it was a wrap!



VictoriousOne...

1/26/08, 14:56:pm

Bossip thinks that if you are black you are a sell out if you don’t vote for Barack. A day ago they posted a quote from Bill Clinton using the race card. Hmmmm what has Bossip been doing?



nahnah

1/26/08, 14:57:pm

Bossip bloggers are nothing bunch of unintelligent *****s. Stick to your bull***** stories about that horse face Kim Kardashian and her negro boyfriend.

Those old time civil rights peeps paved the way for your dingy *****es.

With that said, I hope Clinton loses – and that’s coming from a non-Obama supporter. Her attempt at dividing black people is *****ing me off. She’s as phony as they come, so I hope she loses – and don’t try and steal SC like she did in NH.



Carla

1/26/08, 15:01:pm

Sadly,

the first black presidential candidate is a main supporter of the New World Order.

Once the REAL ID’s come out, so the truth will come out.

Obama WILL be elected..and that’s when the bull will start. Do your research people.



KIki

1/26/08, 15:02:pm

@VictoriousOne I was thinking the same thing Bossip want black people to vote for obama b/c of their race but this is not right people have their own opinion and if they want to vote for hilary let them do



lingatru

1/26/08, 15:04:pm

In the years that Obama has been a member of the U.S. Senate and Illinois Senate, exactly what has done? What good or bad? The man has done nothing with the power he does have, and where was his ***** during Katrina?

His wife, like Bill Clinton, is a pain the in *****, and has been up to no damn good. She might as well be working for the other party. I don’t think the spouse should matter, but if you’re going to bring up Bill at least be fair and bring up the ***** Michelle has done.

Anyone that thinks any black MAN will do, is as racist and ignorant as those conferate flag waving hicks in SC



VOTE-SMART-08

1/26/08, 15:08:pm

KIKI:WHY WOULD U EVER VOTE FOR SOME ONE FOR THE COLOR OR GENDER? FIRST OF ALL I DOUBT IF BOSSIP IS GOING THAT ROUTE. OBAMA IS THE STRONGER, MORE P*****IONATE CANDIDATE BY FAR. THIS MAN EVOLVES CHANGE…HE HAS OUR NEEDS IN HIS PLANS..HILLARY, OR EVEN EDWARDS JUST AINT CUTTIN IT! PLUS THE DIRTY POLITICS HILLARY PUSHED HIS WAY WAS SO F-ED UP! LEARN MORE ON OBAMA…I DID….HE HAS MY VOTE FOR SURE!



VOTE-SMART-08

1/26/08, 15:10:pm

LINATRU….I CANT CHANGE YOUR MIND BUT…AGAIN DO YOUR OWN RESEARCH….IF U WANT A BETTER ECONOMY, HEALTH INSURANCE, AFFORDABLE EDUCATION…GO OBAMA!



tj

1/26/08, 15:10:pm

Just reading through some of these comments both the positive and the negative I’m seeing that the Clinton’s have been very successful in depicting Barack as “The black candidate” as opposed to the candidate who happens to be black. Such is politics…

And for those saying that we are simply voting for Barack because he is black I would have to ask how come blacks didn’t vote for Braun when she was running? Or Jackson even? Clearly there is more to Barack’s substantial support than his biracial heritage this is evidenced by wins in Iowa and probable wins in New Hampshire and Nevada (shortsighting and excluding Clinton campaign tampering)



VOTE-SMART-08

1/26/08, 15:14:pm

LINATRU…DONT EVEN GO THERE ABOUT KATRINA..WHITE AMERICA STOOD STILL…OBAMA DID WHAT HE COULD…JUST LIKE HILLARY AND EDWARDS. YTHAT ***** WAS ON FEMA AND BUSH!!!!!!!!!BUSH DID NOTHING. OBAMA WAS IN THE N.O. I LIVE HERE BABY…HE WAS HERE…I THINK AGAIN U NEED TO DO YOUR RESEARCH U ARE SPEAKING NONSENCE!



RIDEORDIE

1/26/08, 15:16:pm

TO ALL WHO HAVE FAMILY AND FRIENDS, OR JUST KNOW SOME FOLKS IN SC… CALL THEY AZZES, BLOW UP THEIR PHONES TODAY, TELL THEM GET OUT AND VOTE!!! Take aleast 3 ppl w/ you to the polls.

We have to send a message to those who think Black ppl still blind and affraid to stand up for CHANGE.

OBAMA, YES WE CAN. 2008



Ronirone

1/26/08, 15:16:pm

GO OBAMA 2008!!!!!!



VOTE-SMART-08

1/26/08, 15:16:pm

WAKE UP…M*****A-DONT-*****-WITH-US!!!!!WHEN R WE GONNA GET IT? DAMN! OBAMA 08″!!!!



Rafeal

1/26/08, 15:17:pm

Obama is a big zero, totally useless.



jojo

1/26/08, 15:17:pm

MMMMM we’ll see



HOLLYWOOD BS

1/26/08, 15:25:pm

CLINTON CLINTON CLINTON CLINTON CLINTON CLINTON CLINTON CLINTON CLINTON CLINTON CLINTON CLINTON CLINTON CLINTON all the way…



RIDEORDIE

1/26/08, 15:26:pm

@ Sistah gal

Oh, I am feeling that ticket… Bloomberg rich azz would blow the ticket up; with Obama ability to unify and Bloomberg’s financial experience…that’s the ticket. He already said if he decides to run on the Independent ticket he will stake $1 Billion dollars of his own money w/o any other financial support from PAC, gov’t etc. IF HILLARY AND MCCAIN GET THE NOMINATIONS. Your idea maybe another option for him.

YES WE CAN!!!



n_satiable

1/26/08, 15:26:pm

@ I SWEAR IGORANCE MUST BE BLISS…you are right. All of the candidates have strengths and weaknesses. I don’t see how Bossip can be such a huge Obama supporter, yet provide no explanation for WHY they support him. Of all the stories I’ve seen about Obama on this site, I’ve seen NOTHING of substance. As a black woman, I don’t feel obligated to vote for Obama because he’s black, or for Hillary because she’s a woman. Hillary has caught a lot of hell on here about playing the race card (I haven’t seen that, but whatever), yet Bossip is supporting Obama seemingly only because he’s black — so what’s the difference? If all Blacks are expected by this site to support the black candidate, then you certainly can’t blame non-black voters for NOT voting for Obama because he’s black.

And what the hell are “civil rights chitlin’ puppet supporters”? Isn’t that just as bad (or worse) than calling someone an Uncle Tom? This is a black site, so it should be for black empowerment, not to put someone down because they don’t follow your line of thinking. Any black person who has shown support for another candidate has been criticized or accused of having ulterior motives, even when they have a legitimate reason to support someone else.

If Bossip isn’t going to be fair and rational in their political coverage, maybe they shouldn’t cover politics at all. This isn’t like talking about who’s dating who…this is the future of our country, and it’s not a joke.



HOLLYWOOD BS

1/26/08, 15:28:pm

HILARY CLINTON will make it rain on dem hoes…



mie

1/26/08, 15:31:pm

i’m glad to finally see people with power support him i kno he got my vote!



BellaY

1/26/08, 15:32:pm

“Let’s not let the shady race-baiting Clinton’s and their old-timer civil rights chitlin’ puppet supporters win today”

Well said BOSSIP!!

This IS about the future of this country and the Clinton’s represent the PAST!!! Its time for a new era in American Politics!!!



getyourhandouttamypocket

1/26/08, 15:34:pm

Everyone who supports Obama is not doing it just because he’s Black. Geez…relax.



nahnah

1/26/08, 15:35:pm

Let’s see if Obama does better than Jackson…

Jackson won 16 primaries and caucuses, including the South Carolina primary, during his 1984 and 1988 bids for president!



yea

1/26/08, 15:36:pm

“I’m seeing that the Clinton’s have been very successful in depicting Barack as “The black candidate”

No fox news has been on that 24/7/ they called him and oprah racists and black supremacists because of their church.



BellaY

1/26/08, 15:37:pm

I voted for Bill Clinton to help him become Prresident twice! I don’t feel like I owe the Clinton’s anything. He was a good President, but all of the good was overshadowed by his womanizing and other nasty little scandals. Is this really what we want to go back to? My mother always taught me to move forward and I want to move forward with OBAMA.



yea

1/26/08, 15:42:pm

“DONT EVEN GO THERE ABOUT KATRINA”

why not?? because Obama did nothing about it while Clinton was touring the world raising funds and brining attention to it.



just saying

1/26/08, 15:47:pm

Bossip, you are entilted to support whom ever you wish to support. But what do you like about Obama besides the fact that you are black? Maybe instead of just telling your readers that they should support Obama or that black people who support Clinton are sell outs you can educate them about those running.



FineAsWine*****Wizzo is FAN-TAS-TA-RAS-TIC SCRATCH MY AZZ PUH-LEASE U KNOW U KNOW ME!!

1/26/08, 15:47:pm

I FEEL A CHANGE A COMING…



keith.

1/26/08, 16:04:pm

we dont have no respect for our elders. if it wasnt for those old time civil rights chitlin puppet supporters fightin for us to be in the position we are now,you wouldnt have a barack obama runnin for president.



lovely and amazing

1/26/08, 16:06:pm

I just love Bossip! SC stand up! Obama 2008!



lovely and amazing

1/26/08, 16:08:pm

Bossip does have to give equal coverage, they have declared this site pro-Obama and the coverage will reflect that.

Check out PerezHiltondotcom for pro-Hillary coverage and comments.



RIDEORDIE

1/26/08, 16:09:pm

FINALLY, BLACKS WILL BE TAKEN SERIOUSLY.

AND TO ALL THE SINGLE MOMS W/ LITTLE BOYS, REPRESENT AND LET THEM KNOW THAT THE FIRST BLACK PRESIDENT ALSO CAME FROM A SINGLE MOM, AND WAS ON FOOD STAMPS, AND MESSED UP IN HIGH SCHOOL W/ DRUGS; BUT CAME UP AND PUT IN WORK TO DO GREAT THINGS…. AND SO CAN THEY.

YES WE CAN. OBAMA 2008!!!



RIDEORDIE

1/26/08, 16:12:pm

OBAMA THE TRUE AMERICAN DREAM.

FROM THE BOTTOM TO THE TOP.

FROM HIS LEAVING THE FAMILY AT A YOUNG AGE.

FROM EXPERIMENTAL DRUG USE (B/C HE FELT REJECTED BY HIS FATHER).

TO COLLEGE. LAW SCHOOL. COMMUNITY ACTIVISM.

RESTORING FELONS RIGHTS TO VOTE.

TO THE WHITE HOUSE IN 2008.

THE AMERICAN DREAM. OBAMA



nahnah

1/26/08, 16:13:pm

yeah

No fox news has been on that 24/7/ they called him and oprah racists and black supremacists because of their church.

_________________________________

Just to let you know, I will not be voting this Novemeber because I don’t like any of the candidates, including Obama.

HOWEVER, I must say that Clinton and her camp have been working tirelessly to create an “Obama is just another negro” image in the minds of Americans. This tactic has been employed in order to create a division amongst black people, and also to diverge the white-Obama votes to her.

She can rally for the support of blacks all she wants, but to utilize those dirty, racist tactics is foul and clearly proves her ” I don’t give a ***** about blacks, I just want their votes in order to occupy the white house” attitude. (In fact, the Democratic party are known for that…). Not to mention she’s doing this while thinking black people are dumb enough to fall for her tricks. So, yes, she’s a typical, power-hungry divisionist(Is that a word?), and very much like her ancestors who utlized the same tactics to divide black slaves and white indentured servants in colonial America and also black people in general…

With that said, I truly hope that ***** goes home crying tonight – as she did in Iowa – which prompted her to steal NH. And I hope black people ain’t dumb enough to help her tamper with SC votes…



nahnah

1/26/08, 16:16:pm

just saying

Bossip, you are entilted to support whom ever you wish to support. But what do you like about Obama besides the fact that you are black? Maybe instead of just telling your readers that they should support Obama or that black people who support Clinton are sell outs you can educate them about those running.

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exactly! Tell us, bossip.



HOLLYWOOD BS

1/26/08, 16:19:pm

Obama’s rhetorics may have fooled BOSSIP but it hasn’t fooled me. He goes around singing the song of change, but what exactly is this change and how is going to implement this change? what clear and concise strategy of change has he logically presented to America? how does he plan to change politics in Washington? he does he plan to reduce the power of lobbyists? how does he plan to reduce the influence of mighty corporations when his campaign benefits from a mighty corporation like Resco? I could go on and on forever but you get the point. Rhetorics isn’t change in any way. It’s an old and dirty political strategy that existed long before the Clintons came to power.



LINGATRU

1/26/08, 16:19:pm

@VOTE SMART

He was there? That’s funny because I live in Chicago and he was here. White America? So you were there huh? And you only saw black people? That was an American ***** up, not a white or black ***** up. But turn it into a race issue and you lose attention which is exactly what Bush wanted.

Personally, Obama might be great, someday. But for now he’s no different then the rest of them. I’ll tell you one thing for sure, whoever wins the primary better be someone who can beat the republican. That’s what we should be hoping for. Nixon, Reagan, George F and George W., another four years of more bull***** from that type and we are *****ed.

If you think it can’t be worse, get your head out of your *****



Whatchaknoaboutdat?

1/26/08, 16:20:pm

I hope and pray that Obama will succeed in the Presidentcy and that he will do great things to straighten out the mess that the Bush administration has made.

And I hope and pray that he doesn’t get blamed for the terrible state that our Countries economy is in.

OBAMA in 08′!!!!



Nadari

1/26/08, 16:20:pm

Unfortunately, there are so many backwards black people — the same kind who clung to master and shunned people like Harriet Tubman tried to lead them to a better way.

What should we expect? Look at the many black celebrities whose behavior represents the the sick-minded communities they come up of – who are supported by the people of those sick-minded communities. R.Kelly? Support Him! Puffy? Support Him! Obama? Oh we can’t do that, the Clintons been good to us black folk and Obama can’t win, Negroes can’t be leaders, they can just sick, dance, bling, get drunk, get high and rap….

The rest of us black folk need to take this opportunity in history to make the ignorant negroes step back, stop holding us back — stop letting the ignorant ones represent our community in ANY form. What other community succeeds by letting their most degenerate set the trends, the path, for them?



LINGATRU

1/26/08, 16:22:pm

@nahnah

Sing it sister!



lovely and amazing

1/26/08, 16:22:pm

@ Ride or Die

So beautifully put. Finally a President our boys and young men can look to. Can you imagine the next generation wanting to be educated and president instead of dying for record deals. I can.

Yes we can. Obama 2008!



LINGATRU

1/26/08, 16:25:pm

I would love to see a black president, or a woman of any color. But they have to be the right person. I just don’t know about Obama and Hillary.



Whatchaknoaboutdat?

1/26/08, 16:26:pm

@ Nadary

Lets lead by example and show our own political power and maybe someone will follow the lead.

Never give up!!!



HOLLYWOOD BS

1/26/08, 16:28:pm

@nahnah, well said.

THIS IS AN OPEN REQUEST TO BOSSIP. APART FROM THE FACT THAT OBAMA IS BLACK, CAN YOU PLEASE TELL YOUR READERS WHY THEY SHOULD VOTE FOR OBAMA? OK, THAT MIGHT BE A HARD QUESTION, LET ME BREAK IT DOWN TO YOU. CAN YOU TELL US WHICH OF OBAMA’S POLICIES MADE YOU ENDORSE HIM AS YOUR PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE? THAT MIGHT STILL BE TOO HARD FOR BOSSIP TO COMPREHEND. OK BOSSIP, JUST TELL YOUR READERS ONE OF OBAMA’S ECONOMIC POLICIES AND HOW IT WILL BENEFIT AMERICA’S AILING ECONOMY. THERE, THAT ONE WAS EASY. PLEASE BOSSIP, I AM ANXIOUSLY WAITING FOR YOUR REPLY. THANK YOU



yea

1/26/08, 16:29:pm

“whoever wins the primary better be someone who can beat the republican. ”

There’s no question about that. People are so fed up with republicans it really doesn’t matter who the democrats run. It will definetely be a democrat in the white house in 09 that goes without saying.



Lauren

1/26/08, 16:30:pm

Go Usher and Kerry, thats what I’m talking baout some REAL support!



Lili

1/26/08, 16:33:pm

Carla

Sadly,

the first black presidential candidate is a main supporter of the New World Order.

Once the REAL ID’s come out, so the truth will come out.

Obama WILL be elected..and that’s when the bull will start. Do your research people.

^^^You talking bout the implanted chips? He’s in support of that? Say it isn’t so.

Still, I’m sure Hillary is a greater supporter of the NWO than he is.



confused

1/26/08, 16:57:pm

“Let’s not let the shady race-baiting Clintons and their old-timer civil rights chitlin’ puppet supporters win today.”

i hope THIS is NOT what sways the voters. does anyone really hate what Clinton stands for?

and THIS is definitely not the way to support Obama. BE SMART when you choose your vote.



fbossip

1/26/08, 16:58:pm

bossip wont ever come out and say why they support obama cause they are a bunch of hating *****s who would rather explain how kim kardashian is a ho than why they want obama…its time for the bossip hos to fall back!



Kenya

1/26/08, 17:00:pm

The negro is leading in the negros’ state. NEXT.



Encyclopedia Brown

1/26/08, 17:06:pm

I support Barack Obama 100%



nahnah

1/26/08, 17:10:pm

lingatru

I would love to see a black president, or a woman of any color. But they have to be the right person. I just don’t know about Obama and Hillary.

________________________

EXACTLY!



Monotheistic Proof:

1/26/08, 17:26:pm

Huhhh?



RIDEORDIE

1/26/08, 17:27:pm

@ nadari

HARRIET TUBMAN, good one… she was a baaaddddd rifle toting girl, and she had to b/c all those mentally enslaved negros would get scared and try to turn on her and the others or turn back while on the path to freedom. Nall you would die, b/c it wasn’t just about you. She was all about FREEDOM OR DEATH.

Back then we had those types who loved the m*****a and the plantation so much that they would be willing to turn her over (and you know that meant torture and death) than to be free.

WHO DID HARRIET TUBMAN THINK SHE WAS. THE AUDACITY OF HOPING TO BE FREE AND CHANGING THE COURSE OF LIFE FOR OTHERS.

SHE HAD GROWN UP JUST LIKE THE OTHER SLAVES, AND ESCAPED TO FREEDOM… SHE COULD HAVE LIVED HER LIFE FANCY FREE IN CANADA, BUT NALL SHE HAD TO COME BACK INTO THE TRENCHES FOR OTHERS. sound familiar… Obama graduated #1 from Harvard law, turned down a Wall Street job to work in inner city Chicago, helping ex-felons regain the right to vote, tutoring, teaching and organizing the community IN ORDER THAT THEY TOO COULD ENJOY FREEDOM… THE AUDACITY OF HOPE. HE AND MICHELLE COULD HAVE LIVE THE GOOD LIFE, AND DAYM THE REST.

As with the times of Harriet Tubman, back then some didn’t go along w/ it; this person talking about change, and working w/ white ppl for change and a better way of life … SOUNDS FAMILIAR???

SAME TYPE OF FOLKS JUST DIFFERENT TIME.



James

1/26/08, 17:28:pm

When will the sheeple open their eyes and see that you are being owned. Whether you vote for Obama or the clintons are whoever, YOU STILL LOOSE. How many times must people tell these ignorant people that the president is not selected by the people, but he is chosen. When i attended Yale, it was no secret among my peers that bush would be president for 8 yrs, mind you, this was when he was still Governor, I also heard of a future black leader, this was also before bush was president. The greatest deception is that people feel they have a say in this “democracy”, the sad thing is how slow people are to seeing what is going on. I had the chance of meeting Obama in my years at Yale, he is a dynamic speaker as well as a charismatic fellow. However, his agenda as well as Hilary’s and 98% of the other candidates is not of their own, but to fulfill a plan on a bigger scale. Let me let you in on another tid bit, in the 04 elections, Kerry swept bush, However, kerry was not the anointed one to become president, therefore he quickly gave his concession speech for bush to win, but the world was so caught up with their lives and i pod and television shows and other strategically planned distractions that they did not see. As a member of a elite group at Yale, i can tell you out right, you guys are OWNED!Anyone who is chosen as a president, will not and i repeat not have democracy at hand, but hey, continue with your busy lives. This is no conspiracy theory neither, i don’t believe in theories, this is coming from someone that knows how things work and at one point was a part of it. Well, I hope you guys read, because nothing is hid from you in books, and the sad part is, everything that will occur, has already been told to you through movies in theater and subliminal messages, how sad!



Monotheistic Proof:

1/26/08, 17:35:pm

Tell me this so called undecided (Code for I don’t vote) and Hilary loyalist. If media bias doesn’t exist outside of Bossip why is the current spin out there that Obama is the “black candidate.”

It is to use his race against him. If Obama is the “black candidate how did he win Iowa a notoriously white state.” And prior to Hilary shedding tears on TV was winning New Hampshire another majority white state. Obama has the most diverse following of any front runner. I am not saying it is so however it would be closer to the truth to say Hilary is the woman’s candidate. Yet every media channel has ran this story.



Stringer Bell

1/26/08, 17:37:pm

I would like to support Obama as well.. but what really is the change?? is it b/c he is black

Black people must not allow just b/c of the fact he is black that he will have your best interest in mind.. Not hating on the man at all…but I wish everyone will really look at some of the things he supports.. not just b/c he is black should you vote on that only basis.

http://WWW.ZEITGEISTMOVIE.COM



nahnah

1/26/08, 17:40:pm

James said: When will the sheeple open their eyes and see that you are being owned.

yep!

James said: Whether you vote for Obama or the clintons are whoever, YOU STILL LOOSE

Yep! LMAO!

James said: However, his agenda as well as Hilary’s and 98% of the other candidates is not of their own, but to fulfill a plan on a bigger scale.

Yep!

James said: Let me let you in on another tid bit, in the 04 elections, Kerry swept bush, However, kerry was not the anointed one to become president, therefore he quickly gave his concession speech for bush to win, but the world was so caught up with their lives and i pod and television shows and other strategically planned distractions that they did not see.

Yep!

Yep! Yep! Yep! Yep! Yep! Yep! Yep!



nahnah

1/26/08, 17:42:pm

Stringer Bell

but I wish everyone will really look at some of the things he supports.. not just b/c he is black should you vote on that only basis.

____________________

Yep! Yep! Yep!



Steff

1/26/08, 17:44:pm

I support Obama, but I support Clinton as well. At this point I’m a little shaky about Obama. Why? Because he isn’t really clear on his issues and the change that he’s going to bring. I was at his rally at PG Community college in Largo MD and his speak was really great. I also went to New Hampshire and canv*****ed for his campaign there but, we have all these African American people saying they support Obama but all I seen was white students. Come on black people, we need to get out there. The Clintons have those older African American voters which will get to the polls, our younger people are seeming to be all talk and no action. And who ever said that Obama mother was this poor single mother is wrong. Obama went to a private school and mingled in drugs because he was confused with his identity. He was not poor by any means.



Monotheistic Proof:

1/26/08, 17:46:pm

You are a victim of brain washing if you think Obama is the black candidate. Obama is the Peoples candidate. Hilary although a 2nd choice has ran a campaign concerned with only winning. Obama is looking long-term, talks to the people and is looking to help this country be what it should have been along time ago.

The same brand of ignorance was used to divide the vote in the last two elections. And some of you uninformed people, though you will not admit split the vote and elected George W Bush Jr. If you did in the second election you have soldiers blood on your hands.

The New world order is old news and George W Bush Jr as built the infrastructure. What we now need is the new new world order, or all will be lost for the average man.

Power to the people. But even when faced with eman*****tion some will still fight to keep the chains on.



LINGATRU

1/26/08, 17:54:pm

Whoever said the Clintons are making him the black candidate.

You’re kidding right?

Interesting points James



VictoriousOne...

1/26/08, 17:55:pm

@RIDEORDIE

That was very well said…

I must say…

I wouldn’t mind looking at Bill Clinton for four more years. He just has this charisma about him. I stan for Bill Clinton. No so much for Hillary. But sheesh I LOVE BILL!!



Monotheistic Proof:

1/26/08, 17:55:pm

@n satiable

You have truly evidenced your leading Statement. So tell us is it bliss? Who in the hell gets their political stance from a gossip sight. So tell me why does Bossip have any responsibility to provide any information other than that which is intriguing to it’s clientele.

If you do look to such sources to become informed on the greatest decision you may make this year, maybe that explains your stance.

If you don’t know the candidates stances by now you truly are not looking. Not only that you probably will not vote anyway.



Monotheistic Proof:

1/26/08, 17:57:pm

Steff,

I am curious. What are Hilary’s Views?



LINGATRU

1/26/08, 18:00:pm

What has Obama done for the people? I’m undecided, sway me with fact. Not lip service. The man has had power and has done nothing (I know of) with it. Toss a sister a bone, I would love to support the man but give me something.



yea

1/26/08, 18:00:pm

“current spin out there that Obama is the “black candidate.”

Fox News has been pushing that real hard.



Tubs

1/26/08, 18:03:pm

No, we shouldn’t vote for a candidate just because he/she’s black, white or whatever. But no one should vote for the slimy Clintons…

“Clinton also said, “there is not a sexual relationship, an improper sexual relationship or any other kind of improper relationship”[5] which he defended as truthful because of the use of the present tense, famously arguing “it depends on what the meaning of the word ‘is’ is”… Under pressure from Starr, obtained from Lewinsky a blue dress with Clinton’s semen stain, as well as testimony from Lewinsky that the President had inserted a cigar-tube into her vagina, Clinton admitted that he misled the American people and that he had had “inappropriate intimate contact” with Lewinsky. Clinton denied having committed perjury because, according to Clinton, the legal definition [7] of oral sex was mutually exclusive of “sex” per se.

In addition, relying upon the definition of “sexual relations” as proposed by the prosecution and agreed by the defense and by Judge Susan Webber Wright, who was hearing the Paula Jones case, Clinton claimed that because certain acts were performed on him, not by him, he did not engage in sexual relations.”

And yes, Hillary the FEMINIST still stood by her man, needing him to stump



LINGATRU

1/26/08, 18:04:pm

The views from any one of them are unclear, they seem to change as they go along



LINGATRU

1/26/08, 18:04:pm

The views from any one of them are unclear, they seem to change as they go along.



yea

1/26/08, 18:05:pm

“What has Obama done for the people? ”

refused to take a stance. he voted present 138 times

voted for infanticide. even hilary voted against it.

also now he’s explaining 6 of his votes in the senate as saying whoops he hit the wrong button.



Monotheistic Proof:

1/26/08, 18:08:pm

Point being Obama is as clear as any other candidate on his stance. From Health care, Foreign Policy, Economics, basic presidential philosophy etc. he is as clear as anyone else. I will vote for if she wins the primary but she will not be Bill. That has been made visible already.

It seems that the media has made sure that only Obama’s views are under the microscope. I ask you where were any of the candidates during Katrina?

Looking in disarray as the president and Fema *****ed ***** up playing politics. And know older blacks in power have invested in the Clinton’s and stand to lose power should Obama be elected.

Please anyone else, tell us who else you will be voting for. Especially those who have so many other options. Please tell us about there political stance. No Hilary no Obama then who… Which of you is informed?



LINGATRU

1/26/08, 18:11:pm

@yea

Thank you.

Is he not rocking the boat, can’t make his mind up or is he just lazy? All this time and he has done nothing. What a waste.

Yeah, power to the people.



yea

1/26/08, 18:11:pm

“It seems that the media has made sure that only Obama’s views are under the microscope”

nope. in fact up until now the media has been giving him a p*****

“I ask you where were any of the candidates during Katrina?”

Clinton was touring the world raising funds.



LINGATRU

1/26/08, 18:15:pm

Edwards might truly be the best of three. I just don’t think he has a chance. The other two have shut him out.

Prior to Katrina, Edwards was working for the poor. He didn’t need Mother Nature to enlighten him.



Monotheistic Proof:

1/26/08, 18:16:pm

@Lingatru

If you referring to me I didn’t say Hillary was saying he was the “Black candidate.” The media, read first then write. Be confident talk to me. Your line said the Clinton’s. Do you really think you are voting for Clintons (plural). You are voting for Hilary and to say anything less is reducing the power of a woman President. Bill is supporting but Hilary is the candidate to say anything less is an insult to women everywhere. Are we voting for the Obamas? Voting for the McCains?



LINGATRU

1/26/08, 18:17:pm

Come to think of it, Edwards is a little like Bill



LINGATRU

1/26/08, 18:17:pm

No mono I wasn’t, I don’t remember who’s post it was but it wasn’t from you



jjoens

1/26/08, 18:19:pm

I SEE YALL ARE FALLINF FOR BARACK PEP TALKS…..HAHAHAH YOU PEOPLE ARE SO IGNORANT ITS A DAMN SHAME, YOU LETTING BARACK AND THE REPUBLICAN SPLIT YOUR POWER SO NOW YALL ARE USELESS.



Monotheistic Proof:

1/26/08, 18:19:pm

I like Edwards in his debates but what I don’t like is his inability to form an identity outside of being the other candidate. He can only hope to survive the race with that platform.



LINGATRU

1/26/08, 18:21:pm

@mono

I responded using the pural because the post used the pural, again it wasn’t from you. Yes, smart ***** I know I’m not voting for a package deal. lol



D nic

1/26/08, 18:23:pm

GoGO OBama.

08 is going to be great!!!!



jjoens

1/26/08, 18:26:pm

AND USHER CANT EVEN PICK A DECENT WOMAN, LET ALONE SUPPORT A PRESIDENT



LINGATRU

1/26/08, 18:27:pm

@mono

That’s true. I think the facist loving media cut him out as well. Lack of attention, combined with lack of money might be some of his problems.



Monotheistic Proof:

1/26/08, 18:30:pm

@Yea

Excuse me, Bill worked with George Bush Sr to make the tour. But he’s not running. If you look on there websites they both have clear plans on how to repair Katrina. Both of which I am very skeptical will ever happen due to financial backing.



Monotheistic Proof:

1/26/08, 18:39:pm

@jjoans

I am glad that Usher has complete control over your vote. Word of advise take a cl***** in logical reasoning. Don’t vote until you do.

Vote the way you want to… just vote. And go with the research. The is media is good for throwing catch phrases out there to influence our decisions. They know that we will repeat it over and over. Although I believe Kerry was a republican mole the Media used the catch phase we just don’t know if experience is enough to become president. Well we truly new the damage Mr. bush could do. We were better to role the dice. But we didn’t and crapped out again.



Nita

1/26/08, 18:41:pm

The Hillary plants are in full effect. But more sadly, those who only get their news from what’s on TV are also in full effect. Luckily, the latter can be rectified. God bless Al Gore and the internets, on the real

Google is your friend, people.

Obama’s views have been posted. Anyone claiming not to know what his views, are you really interested in knowing those views? Because I and several other people can direct you to where you can see his views, and his votes — and have. Same with Hillary, Edwards, the Republicans. Get educated. You’re online, make use of being here.

The ‘present’ votes were explained during the debate; if you missed the debate, do a google search, and you’ll see that Obama’s present votes were a fraction (129 out of 4000) of the votes he made; he made them because he either questioned the constitutionality of the laws being debated, or it was part of a coordinated effort to ensure that a law was p*****ed with the least amount of flaws… a coordination led by the Illinois Planned Parenthood in the first place. Hillary is now in trouble with New Hampshire’s women for misrepresenting what went down in Illinois. It’s too late, though, the damage is done. But that doesn’t mean folks can’t still know the truth.

If they’re interested in truth, that is.

If you’re voting against him because he supports some illegal alien issues or abortion must either be Republicans or never get around to voting in the first place. All of the Democrat candidates share similar views on those two issues — and guess what? they ain’t anti-illegal or anti-abortion. That’s fine. Just speak up; if you’re a black Republican, tell your story. if you’re a black Democrat who’s anti-illegal alien and anti-abortion, tell your story, too. if you’re independent or white, tell your story here.

The reasons why the Clintons’ co-presidency wasn’t all it was cracked up to be, including for black folk, have also been posted here. But if you remember things differently, if there are specific policies and decisions you enjoyed from the Clintons, please say exactly so.

If you’re an Edwards supporter, say so.

Ron Paul? say so.

Don’t give a ***** about voting, then why bother coming in this thread? ***** it, tell your story anyway.



tj

1/26/08, 18:45:pm

@ James.

You did not go to Yale. If you had your post would have been well shaped and evocative. Instead it was conspiratorial and speculative. As for your *****ertion that people at Yale knew who was going to win as if we Ivy leaguers are privy to specialized information straight from the skull and bones society secret web page: Patently false. In fact had you been in New Haven during 2000 you’d know that everyone thought Gore was going to run away with the presidency and that the Republican candidate was a throwaway.

Secondly, anyone who knows John Kerry is laughing hysterically at your suggestion that he “gave up” on the presidency.

Lastly, please try not to sully the Ivy league with your less than astute *****ertions and easy come easy go grammar.

HO SIT DOWN



TEXAS GIRL

1/26/08, 18:49:pm

I AM BLACK HOWEVER IM VOTING FOR OBAMA BECAUSE I FEEL HE CAN UNIFY THIS COUNTRY. I HAVE ALWAYS VOTED FOR THE CLINTONS BUT THE WAY THEY HAVE ACTED THIS WEEK HAS TURNED ME OFF. I WILL STAY HOME IF HILLARY IS NOMINATED



TEXAS GIRL

1/26/08, 18:55:pm

I AM MULTI RACIAL SO I AM NOT VOTING FOR OBAMA CAUSE HE IS BLACK BUT, I AM EXCITED FOR THE OPPORTUNITY. GOGGLE CLINTON PLUS SCANDALS..PLEASE CHECK OUT.



Nita

1/26/08, 18:57:pm

@Monotheistic Proof, Kerry wasn’t a Republican mole; word is, the Clintons *****ed him over, too. There’s apparently a reason why Kerry has endorsed Obama, and endorsed him hard this year post-New Hampshire. Kerry’s been on fire.

As for Bill not runing for president — don’t be so sure of that.

As for Edwards, I read a Charles Krauthammer piece in the paper today, called ‘Edwards farce an affront to authentic liberals’. Krauthammer is a neocon (ie — i think — he’s a Jew, and a Republican for the pro-Israel stance but nonetheless otherwise supports many so-called Democrat platforms), so take his columns as you will depending on where you are on the political spectrum. This is the crux of what he has to say on Edwards:

“Edwards has made much of his renunciation of his Iraq War vote. But he has not stopped there. His entire campaign has been an orgy of regret and renunciation:

• As senator, he voted in 2001 for a bankruptcy bill that he now denounces.

• As senator, he voted for storing nuclear waste in Nevada’s Yucca Mountain. Twice. He is now fiercely opposed.

• As senator, he voted for the Bush-Kennedy No Child Left Behind education reform. He now campaigns against it, promising to have it “radically overhauled.”

• As senator, he voted for the Patriot Act, calling it “a good bill … and I am pleased to support it.” He now attacks it.

• As senator, he voted to give China normalized trade relations. Need I say? He now campaigns against liberalized trade with China as a sellout of the middle cl***** to the great multinational agents of greed, etc.

Breathtaking. People can change their minds about something. But everything? The man served one term in the Senate. He left not a single substantial piece of legislation to his name, only an astonishing string of votes on trade, education, civil liberties, energy, bankruptcy and, of course, war that now he not only renounces but inveighs against.

Today he plays the avenging angel, engaged in an “epic struggle” against the great economic malefactors that “have literally,” he *****ures us, “taken over the government.”

He is angry, embodying the familiar zeal of the convert, ready to immolate anyone who benightedly holds to any revelation other than the zealot’s very latest.

Nothing new about a convert. Nothing new about a zealous convert. What is different about Edwards is his endlessly repeated claim that the raging populist of today is what he has always been. That this has been the “cause of my life,” the very core of his being, ingrained in him on his father’s knee or at the mill or wherever, depending on the anecdote he’s telling. You must understand: This is not politics for him. “This fight is deeply personal to me. I’ve been engaged in it my whole life.”

Except for his years as senator, the only public office he’s ever held. The audacity of the all-my-life trope is staggering.”

——————–

Any Edwards supporters in the community who can attack this or provide more substance than Edwards? because I’ve never really studied up on Edwards before; *****I realize Krauthammer may be pulling a Clinton on Edwards.***** Particularly since Hillary Clinton just got on Edwards ***** for the China thing, and come to find out (yet again) she through President Billy Boy was engaged in the same thing.

I thought Edwards had more support than what I’m seeing, in the black community. I’m disturbed that it took last week’s debates for southern whites to ‘break’ from Obama and latch onto Edwards. Does anyone here support him?



TEXAS GIRL

1/26/08, 19:00:pm

Former US secretary of state Colin Powell urged Americans to “enjoy this moment where a person like Barack Obama can knock down all of these old barriers that people thought existed with respect to the opportunities that are available to African-Americans.” As Powell opined: “He is putting himself forward not as a black man but as an American man who wants to be president of the United States of America. We should see Barack as a candidate for president who happens to be black, and not a black candidate for president.”



n_satiable

1/26/08, 19:01:pm

@ Monotheistic Proof…

I live in SC, and I DID vote today. No, ignorance isn’t bliss…it’s just ignorance — and that wasn’t a “statement”, it’s the name of the poster I was replying to. I did my homework on the candidates by checking their own sites (as a student teacher I actually taught an entire lesson on campaign literature to my students), reputable news sites, candidate interviews and watching the debates and recaps. You’re right when you say that no one should get their info from a gossip site, but if you’re implying that I got MY information from here, you’re mistaken.

My point is that Bossip is endorsing a candidate without any substantial reasons, which makes them an unreliable source; and many posters are implying that if you’re black, you’re obligated to vote for Obama. If that’s the case, doesn’t THAT make you ignorant? You sound like you’re arguing with me, but you’re basically supporting what I said.



Monotheistic Proof:

1/26/08, 19:02:pm

This is important yall too many people are hungary, dying and oppressed to not take this seriously. Katrina was horrible, this war deplorable. Big oil has raped this country and Iraq dry. Innovation stifled, jobs have been cut and the debt is erupting. Although America was never perfect we were once leaders of the free world. And through innovation, education and standard of life not through bullying every one into submission. We seem to go back and forth and Leadership has a great deal to do with it.

Sorry for the fill a buster but gossip site or not we can’t let the media (Tools of major corporations who are no longer vested in America’s economy,) control our fate.

Their focus is global expansion and they are happy to see Americans suffer if it means fat corporate bonuses.) Innovation and education was Americas bread and butter and now we are falling behind to every one. We need a change or your kids will inherit a big pile of *****.

A change that Hilary said in the New Hampshire debate is impossible and criticized Obama for naive thinking.



LINGATRU

1/26/08, 19:07:pm

Thanks for the info Nita

I’ll make my mind up when I’m in the booth. I can say I’m not crazy about any of them. But I do vote, and I really don’t want to see another Republican.

As far as Edwards goes, I still think he did some good work after leaving the senate.



Nita

1/26/08, 19:09:pm

@tj, i’m giggling at your first sentence to James, because i’m remembering all the snide comments made about Chelsea Clinton’s Ivy league education — and people’s disappointment in her skills once she started writing columns.

@jjoens, what’s that say about the Clintons? apparently since one of the things Bill can’t shut up about now is how much he’s in love with Hillary, and Hillary swears Bill has proven he really loves her. I also don’t know what you mean by ‘letting the Republicans split your power’. Are you *****uming that all blacks are Democrats? *****ume that at your peril… just like the Clintons are *****uming at their peril. You can hold no power, when your support is taken for granted. Democrats take black support for granted, and the Uncle Ruckus’ who are stuck in a Civil Rights timewarp are aiding the delusion. We are not as helpless as those in power would have us believe. Rise up, jjoens. Time to escape the plantation for freedom. We need a pep talk. We need to know that there is a different way, a better way. And there is. The Clintons do not represent that different, better way.

Any splits, rest squarely on them, and on wool falling from folks’ eyes about the power they DO have.

@VictoriousOne, why do you love Bill? beyond charisma. What does he represent, for you?



KC

1/26/08, 19:11:pm

I’m white and for Obama, because of his intelligence and vision, NOT race. Bill Clinton knows Obama is going to win the South Carolina primary, but is down there stirring up *****, trying to fool the rest of the Country into thinking black people are voting for him just because of race, *****ing off white voters in other States. Clinton is a disgrace. If Hillary wins, thats 24 years of Clinton/Bush…time to turn the page on these fools.



Nothing but Nonsense

1/26/08, 19:12:pm

BARACK WON SOUTH CAROLINA!



nahnah

1/26/08, 19:22:pm

James:

Ignore tj, he’s a confused puppet who doesn’t know what he wants.

Also, tj, please check your own grammar before you attempt to put others down.

Oh, and vote fraud in Ohio was no secret to the informed Americans out there. The first senator who rose up against it, and actually forced a hearing(something that is rare in America) was Senator Barbera Boxer of California, who was relunctant at first because she was shot down by Gore in 2000, when she attempted protest the stolen 2000 elections.

Lastly, puppets like tj are quick to label informed Americans as ‘conspiracy theorists’ in an attempt to shut us up, which tells me his Ivy League degree was an apparent waste, since critical thinking isn’t one of his strong points. He doesn’t realize that detectives are conspiracy theorists by definition, and that conspiracies occur on a daily basis.

Unfortunately, that term has been *****ized in order to keep people from thinking independently.

A mind is a terrible thing to waste…



tj

1/26/08, 19:22:pm

Barack wins.

About John Edwards. I was working on his 2004 campaign and yes he was a totally different person then. He is a liar and has no room to talk about Hillary considering he is the one who really will say and do anything to be president. He literally changes with the polls. The cause of his life is being a manipulative trial lawyer. Also he lives in a 6 million dollar house and tells people he is a populist. He gets 500 dollar hair cuts. If people fall for his nonsense they are just stupid considering there is so much to disprove him. If he were anywhere near the front of the campaign he would be slaughtered by the Clinton machine. He’s simply flown under the radar and should be happy no one’s paying any serious attention to him.

Also his daughter is a pretentious *****.



nahnah

1/26/08, 19:24:pm

Obama wins – so Hitlery’s tactic ain’t work. That biatch!



Nita

1/26/08, 19:27:pm

@lingatru, i just saw it in the paper; I usually don’t see Edwards supporters talking about anything except what a Fighter Edwards Is. Fighter for what? Take it with a grain of salt because it’s Krauthammer. What’s important about those votes isn’t that he made them (even Obama voted for a version of the Patriot Act), but that Edwards is claiming to be against them after he was for them now that he’s running for presient again. I don’t know much about Edwards though, and I wasn’t impressed that he was able to take a high road during a debate that he was a third wheel at. He got some great lines off, though. As for the Clintons making Obama the black candidate — they have. Rove is a *****, but he’s been pretty good about examining just what the Clinton’s strategy is.

@tubs, for me Clinton’s sin wasn’t sex or even lying about sex; Clinton’s sin was getting other people to cover for him to save his own *****… in ways he never reciprocated back. Clinton has a bad habit of using people. I blame his strange homelife situation.

@stringer_bell, his change (for me) is being honest about bipartisanship. he’s a bridge. his race (for better or worse) helps in that, domestically and foreignly. unlike bush, obama really has walked the walk when it comes to setting up a Big Tent where everyone is invited, including one’s so-called enemies, so that what is most important gets done. he’s not going to agree with you on everything, and you’re not going to agree with him all the time; but he WILL respect where you’re coming from, listen and incorporate what you have to say if possible instead of dismissing you out of hand. in the end, many people end up on Obama’s side, and even when they’re not they still want him on their team. we need healing in this country, not more divisions and making boogeymen.

@Rideordie, thank you for Harriet LOL you made my day.

@lovelyandamazing, always on target, as usual.

@ n_satiable, what was it like today in South Carolina?



VictoriousOne...

1/26/08, 19:29:pm

@ Nita

All i know is that when Clinton was in office…gas was damn near $2.00 cheaper…

and that there was a surplus in the economic budget.

and tuition was cheaper at the state jc’s and universities.

old folks didn’t have to choose between food or meds.

I’m not saying Bill was perfect, but he wasn’t bad. Folks said he was the first “black” president. I feel he represented black folks interest way more than any other president. I was in high school while he was prez, and I wasn’t really involved in politics like that, but I always admired him. If Barack wasn’t running, folks would have no problem voting *****on again. Cuz you know a vote for Hil is a vote for Bill.

I do support Barack Obama, but I am not 100% yet.

Excuse the typos



Journalims basic for the idiot m*****es

1/26/08, 19:31:pm

BOSSIP IS A GOSSIP SITE!!!!!!!!!!!

BOSSIP IS NOT A LEGITIMATE NEWS AGENCY!!!!!!!

THEY DO NOT HAVE TO SUPPORT THEIR OPINIONS WITH FACT!!!

GOT IT GOOD!

Anyone stating that Bossip needs to back up their support of Barack Obama is an idiot. Bossip is not reporting news as fact, but gossip, inneundo and opinion as entertainment. They can choose to pull political stories and add their 2 cents if they so choose, without adding an ounce of fact. If you happen to be one of those slow idiots who believe everything printed on the web, reported on the TV or printed in the written press then I fear for you. The reputation of the news reporting agency you are getting information from should be the first question asked. If you choose to get your “news” from Bossip then you are an idiot and you deserve what you get.

If you don’t like Bossip’s opinion about Barack Obama start your own damn blog. Anyone can do it.

Catch a clue. This is Journalism 101!



@nahnah

1/26/08, 19:32:pm

What the hell do you support and why are you here?



nahnah

1/26/08, 19:34:pm

I’m here because I feel like it.

What the ***** is the matter with you? Don’t dedicate posts to me, it makes you look desperate.



rosie

1/26/08, 19:37:pm

I can give you three good reasons to vote for Obama over HRC or Edwards.

1. He had the political courage to take a public stance against going into Iraq when it was not politically popular to do so. Both Edwards and Clinton voted for the war. This country needs leadership that is willing to approach problems with reason and contemplation, and not just polling figures.

2. When polled head to head against presumed Republican candidates, Obama is the only Dem who runs well against both Romney and McCain.

3. His spouse is not Bill Clinton…i.e. we presumably will not have to deal with a “two-headed monster” or any Clinton-esque marital drama for the next four years.

I agree that Obama is a little light on experience and heavy on rhetoric. That said, the country seems to be in the mood for inspiration. In addition, Obama has more time in elected office in general than Clinton or Edwards.

Take from it what you will, but there are very viable reasons to support Obama, the least of which being the fact that the Clintons have run a vile campaign.



nahnah

1/26/08, 19:38:pm

Trying to argue the difference between Clinton and Obama is like trying to argue the difference between lemon and lime. The only apparent difference is the color – but I’m still glad that biatch, Clinton lost.

Go cry to your burnt faced husband, biatch! hahaha!



n_satiable

1/26/08, 19:38:pm

@ Nita

I live in a small town, and there were only 2 other voters at the polling station around 2 PM today when I voted. I’m planning to watch the news for results later. If you want to see news stories/video footage, you can visit wistv.com or wltx.com. The latter says CBS has called the SC primary for Obama; we’ll have to wait until all the stations report to see what the final numbers are.



@nahnah

1/26/08, 19:41:pm

Not desperate but not very fond of people who don’t seem to stand for anything.

Don’t vote if you don’t want to. I’m sure most of us are educated enough to know that the political system in the U.S. is not perfect, broken and out right corrupt, but it’s the one we have to live by and from my travels no worse than anywhere else.

I just don’t get you angle and from the looks of it you don’t really stand for anything.



Nita

1/26/08, 19:42:pm

thank you all for the updates on South Carolina. Somebody over at one of the liberal sites is claiming that

49% of white voters under 29 voted for Obama

that’s unheard of. Has that ever happened before? in a southern state no less? I’m gonna wait til all the actual counts come in instead of the exit polls, cuz you know how the damn machines and the Clintons are. We saw what happened up in New Hampshire and Nevada. I’m gonna cross my fingers, though. I’m still a little scared.

@tj, so krauthammer is telling the truth? oh man. that sucks. i’m intrigued by you working with the Edwards campaign, back then, though.

@ mono, hmm, wonder why Hill and Bill ridiculed Obama for that? what happened to the Hill and Bill of vision?

@KC, yours is exactly the attitude Obama is trying to bring to the country, to everyone. Apparently, a lot of people are scared by it.



Hmmmm

1/26/08, 19:47:pm

Usher married a BLACK women that he loves!!!



rosie

1/26/08, 19:47:pm

Let’s break through the mythology of the Clinton years…

1. Gas was cheap because: a) Bush I established a relationship with the Saudis to keep it that way, b) China and India were not the major oil consumers they are today back in the 1990’s, and c) we weren’t invading oil-producing countries

2. The costs at state universities are set by the STATE, not the federal government. Most state governments by the late 1990’s were run by Republicans…who took over the Congress and set the national legislative agenda WHILE CLINTON WAS IN OFFICE.

3. Hillary Clinton screwed up health care reform so badly that today it is not only the elderly that struggle to pick between food and medication – over 40 million Americans do not have health insurance (and, byt he way, the elderly are covered by Medicare, which added a prescription drug benefit for seniors…under George W. Bush).

4. I fail to understand why so many people think Bill Clinton was really interested in “black issues”. First, folks need to define what those issues are, because a lot of them will differ by cl*****. Second, I think people are confusing the fact that Bill Clinton is not uncomfortable around black people (like so many white politicians are) with an actual legislative record. Did he increase funding to HBCU’s? Did he increase staffing and funding the the EEOC or the Department of Labor? Did he attempt any kind of reform to increase the quality of urban schools? He damn sure didn’t do anything about minimum sentencing laws, or *****istance with child care costs for working mothers. SO can someone please explain to me what he “did” for black people again besides show up at NAACP and Urban League events?



jjoens

1/26/08, 19:47:pm

yall hate clinton because her husband got his ***** sucked by another women,you mad that she stayed with him



DM

1/26/08, 19:48:pm

I am in Texas and CNN has projected Obama the winner. He rained on that racist hoe Clinton. When I say racist hoe I am talking about Bill.



lovely and amazing

1/26/08, 19:52:pm

@ Rosie

Your 3 points are so well stated. Especially #3. This a democracy not a monarchy. Billary’s been reminding me too much of Queen Elizabeth and Prince Phillip. For the Clintons to have alllowed themselves to ever feel ENTITLED to the souls of black folk is racism at its core.

OBAMA 2008!

YES HE CAN!

YES HE CAN!

OBAMA 2008!



Fulani

1/26/08, 19:52:pm

OBAMA WON SOUTH CAROLINA. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I’m so happy.

OBAMA 08



Fulani

1/26/08, 19:53:pm

OBAMA 2008!

YES HE CAN!

YES HE WILL!

OBAMA 2008!



D nic

1/26/08, 19:54:pm

He did it.

Lets go Obama

America is need of you



jjoens

1/26/08, 19:54:pm

osie

Let’s break through the mythology of the Clinton years…

1. Gas was cheap because: a) Bush I established a relationship with the Saudis to keep it that way, b) China and India were not the major oil consumers they are today back in the 1990’s, and c) we weren’t invading oil-producing countries

2. The costs at state universities are set by the STATE, not the federal government. Most state governments by the late 1990’s were run by Republicans…who took over the Congress and set the national legislative agenda WHILE CLINTON WAS IN OFFICE.

3. Hillary Clinton screwed up health care reform so badly that today it is not only the elderly that struggle to pick between food and medication – over 40 million Americans do not have health insurance (and, byt he way, the elderly are covered by Medicare, which added a prescription drug benefit for seniors…under George W. Bush).

4. I fail to understand why so many people think Bill Clinton was really interested in “black issues”. First, folks need to define what those issues are, because a lot of them will differ by cl*****. Second, I think people are confusing the fact that Bill Clinton is not uncomfortable around black people (like so many white politicians are) with an actual legislative record. Did he increase funding to HBCU’s? Did he increase staffing and funding the the EEOC or the Department of Labor? Did he attempt any kind of reform to increase the quality of urban schools? He damn sure didn’t do anything about minimum sentencing laws, or *****istance with child care costs for working mothers. SO can someone please explain to me what he “did” for black people again besides show up at NAACP and Urban League events?

everything you complain about is stuff that you want given to someone else. i am a democrate by default but i have a lot of republican views. peosonally i dont believe its the president job to work for black people. its sounds like you want the government to suport you but thats not the case. WHy should he increase funding to HBCU’s thats not his job student pay tuition and if not enough students to pay for everything well the school has s problem



me

1/26/08, 19:59:pm

***UPDATE!!!!***

Barack took South Carolina 50% to Clinton’s 29% and Edwards 19%. These are the preliminary percentages so they might change slightly but the end result is the same.



Monotheistic Proof:

1/26/08, 20:01:pm

@N_Satiable

You are a student teacher and I am proud to discuss this with you. It is impressive if you have taken those unbiased steps to enlighten the youth.

However… when thinking logically it is not Bossip’s endorsement of a candidates with out clearly stating their reasons, that makes them less than credible. The obvious lack of credibility is based on the clear purpose of the website. Nothing on here is credible, it is almost always speculation and their endorsement probably hurts as much as it help.

I believe your energy should be directed towards MSN, Fox News, CNN and other media sources who project credibility and but then show bias through coverage and spin campaigns. They are manipulating elections and have been doing so before black was even a card in the deck.

I never said vote for Obama he’s black. As I said, he is the Peoples candidate, Iowa and New Hampshire prove it. He is also our best chance to see impact producing change in Government.

Apparently posters in your neighborhood were racially motivated and responsible for the vote black pressure you felt. Although my screen name is monotheistic proof it refers to my belief in god not ability to fulfill the position. I have never seen a poster that says vote for Obama it’s the black thing, so this may have been the critical detail for full understanding of your viewpoint.

I must admit I live in the Midwest and that type of thing just wouldn’t fly here or most places nationally. I guarantee that poster was not approved by Obama because that style of campaign would eliminate any chances of a national win. The black population is less than 20 percent with a full vote.

That being said, with out knowing about these posters I thought your source of pressure to vote black/Obama was the the media. Hence the ignorance and brain washing statements. As I said before those statements are being used to split the Obama white vote. This also logically tied into your attack on bossip.

If after your research you are an advocate for Clinton I can respect that. She is my second choice and she will be my candidate should she win the primary. However its okay as long as the pressure you felt from the community to vote Black/ Obama didn’t change your decision.



jjoens

1/26/08, 20:02:pm

you know *****s in the south cant think without master. i knew the south didnt have sense enough to see the game being played. shake that laffy taffy,these the same *****’s who enjoy this music



piercdbruh

1/26/08, 20:11:pm

And I would take political advice from Usher, Chris Tucker, or Kerry Washington because….? Oh that’s right, I wouldn’t! Who cares who Usher votes for? Why does it matter Bossip? It’s great that Obama beat the Clinton Machine in SC. Hopefully he can pull the whole election, but why should we as Black people care who a singer, comedian and a… what does Kerry Washington do??? Anyway, why should we care who they endorse? Make up your own minds Black people!!!!

Pierce



n_satiable

1/26/08, 20:12:pm

@ Monotheistic Proof…

I can appreciate your opinion, because you have something to say about the topics as opposed to just spouting nonsense. Apparently I wasted keystrokes wondering on this site why Bossip endorsed a candidate…

You are also right that traditional news sources are not exactly unbiased, either — it’s no secret that MSNBC leans more towards Democrats, Fox News leans more towards Republicans, etc. It’s the responsibility of each voter to do their homework and look at the whole picture to inform their decisions before heading to the polling booth.



piercdbruh

1/26/08, 20:14:pm

@ Rosie

PREACH!!!!!!



Steff

1/26/08, 20:15:pm

In response to (Monotheistic Proof’s) question. I really think that Obama and Clinton share basically the same views. They just have different plans on trying to solve the problems that we’re faced with. Don’t get me wrong I am an Obama supporter first but Clinton actually had figures for the amount of money that may be needed to get universal health care, and etc… Barack doesn’t. I’m for Obama not because he’s black because he’s actually trying to use the startegy of closing the two americas gap. Clinton, isn’t. She’s playing the red vote against the blue vote which really keeps the country divided. I don’t think that experience should be a concern for Obama because as we all know Rumsfield and Chaney were so called experienced and look how far their experience has brought our country currently. Like I said before I canv*****ed for the Obama campaign in New Hampshire and I was hurt. I’m an african american female from MD and most of Obama’s volunteers were white. And they came from everywhere. Our people really need to get out and vote regardless if its for Obama, Clinton, or whoever. Edwards to me is also a good candidate, I went to a town hall meeting to hear him speak and he really seems to care about the working cl***** people. Now McCain scared the hell out of me (lol) I went to his rally and all he spoke about was about the war. To be honest I hope he doesn’t make it because if he does, we have more wars to look forward to.



VictoriousOne...

1/26/08, 20:15:pm

Obama will get creamed in the final election…

White America is not ready for a black president.

Hillary is the only DEM that has a chance of going up against McCain or the Mormon cat Romney(sp) for the white house.

How many recent hate crimes have there been in the past year? Noose’s everywhere…

Somebody convince me that I won’t guarantee a republican administration for four more years by voting Obama. PLease



nahnah

1/26/08, 20:16:pm

@nahnah

Not desperate but not very fond of people who don’t seem to stand for anything.

_____________

How do you know I don’t stand for anything? Your *****umptions are based on pure ignorance, since you don’t know me, and have no idea what I have or am currently doing in my life.

In fact, I think the best way to protest this ‘outright corrupt’ system is to vote against it. I REFUSE to cave into that “the lesser of two evil” mentality. Because evil is evil. And evil leads to unemployment, high rate of foreclosures, illegal, senseless and criminal wars…

Also, any person with half of a working brain can easily research the records of all candidates and see the little difference between them. So, if my conviction is to put someone in the white house based on my principles, then why should I vote for those who are AGAINST my principles? How about we demand more from our leaders of this country, instead of accepting whatever comes out their mouths? Afterall, this is what the constitution, minus the fact that a bunch of slave-holding racists wrote it, grants us as citizens of the United States of America.

And it’s a cop-out and utterly dangerous mentality to say we simply have to ‘live with’ the vote frauds and senseless wars – especially when you’re obviously putting the American system above others. At least “the others’ stand up to their governments and protest vote fraud. Just look at the Ukraine in 2005, and Haiti in 2005, and even Kenyans, Georgians, and Paraquayans today. Those people stood and continue to stand up to against their government’s evil ways – while Americans continue to remain blind, stupid, and ignorant. We will continue to be inundated with the utmost propaganda, because we like it very very much…

With that said: ***** Hilary, and ***** Obama.

And Edwards. And McCain. And Guiliani. And every other potential candidate out there…



rosie

1/26/08, 20:18:pm

@jjoens

When did I say that the government needs to support me or black people? The whole point of my post was that there seems to be the idea that Clinton “did” something for black people. But what? The issues I listed were ones that could be viewed as beneficial to black people.

As for the other points, let’s give credit where credit is due. Bill Clinton managed the emergence of the information economy…and by managed I mean he did not try to tax or regulate the internet to death. He also balanced the budget…and the dollar went a heck of a lot further in the 1990’s.

That said, I stand by my previous points on oil, school costs, etc. I should also add that I was responding to a previous poster on the oil, school, etc.

Finally, politically I see myself between being a democrat and a libertarian. I don’t think that government is the answer to everything. And frankly, I think black folks need to get more involved in our own communities and stop looking to Washington to fix everything. That said, there are some policies that government could enact that would not necessarily target black people, but would certainly disproportionately benefit black people, not least of which is improving public primary and secondary education.



wonkwonk

1/26/08, 20:18:pm

Bossip doesn’t have to explain a damn thang to yall hoes. And Jackson won the SC caucuses, not the same as the primary. STop the HATE… nah, as a matter of fact, HATE *****EZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ



LINGATRU

1/26/08, 20:19:pm

Not all of our concerns are black issues, that’s something I’m getting tired of hearing the media talk about. They act like were not Americans concerned about everything that goes on. But some of it is our fault, there are black folks who think only black people have for ***** schools, lack of employment and health insurance problems.

Rosie, you make some good points. But Hillary didn’t mess up health reform. That was Reagsn and his buddy Bush 1. Hillary was pushed out, though she might have had something to do with the HIPPA rules. Dropping increased rates from 300% to 60% did make a positive difference. HIPPA isn’t perfect but it beats the hell out of Reagan’s charge whatever you want, insure only who you want, and Bush 1 placing a 300% limit on rates was sick joke.



jjoens

1/26/08, 20:22:pm

rosie

@jjoens

When did I say that the government needs to support me or black people? The whole point of my post was that there seems to be the idea that Clinton “did” something for black people. But what? The issues I listed were ones that could be viewed as beneficial to black people.

As for the other points, let’s give credit where credit is due. Bill Clinton managed the emergence of the information economy…and by managed I mean he did not try to tax or regulate the internet to death. He also balanced the budget…and the dollar went a heck of a lot further in the 1990’s.

That said, I stand by my previous points on oil, school costs, etc. I should also add that I was responding to a previous poster on the oil, school, etc.

Finally, politically I see myself between being a democrat and a libertarian. I don’t think that government is the answer to everything. And frankly, I think black folks need to get more involved in our own communities and stop looking to Washington to fix everything. That said, there are some policies that government could enact that would not necessarily target black people, but would certainly disproportionately benefit black people, not least of which is improving public primary and secondary education.

i couldnt agree more, i love a woman who can shut me up!



LINGATRU

1/26/08, 20:22:pm

@Rosie

fyi – the first part of my post was not directed at you



rosie

1/26/08, 20:23:pm

The problem with opting out of the system is that elected officials then have no incentive to listen to or care about your issues. Why are the elderly the only groups in this country with full health care and drug benefits? Because they VOTE.

Voting in the primaries is especially important because they shape the positions the eventual nominee will take in the general election. For example, Huckabee may not get the nod, but the fact that he has a block of 15% of the voting population within the party guarantees that their issues will get some attention.



Bronx Brawler

1/26/08, 20:24:pm

I support Barack, but I voted for Shirley Chisholm.



rosie

1/26/08, 20:34:pm

@Lingatru – I agree! I an sick of hearing about “black” issues are. Don’t all Americans want decent schools, safe neighborhoods, and good jobs?

I’ve noticed that many Hispanics are saying the same thing. I’m not sure that the media is aware that not all black people are on welfare, and not all Hispanics are illegal immigrants. At the end of the day, if government fulfilled its most BASIC functions – to provide public safety and infrastructure, equal justice before the law, and access to a decent public education – then most folks would be pretty satisfied.



nahnah

1/26/08, 20:42:pm

Issues that are prevalent in the black communities are indeed ‘black issues’.

So racism, poverty, crime, broken familial structure, police brutality, drug laws, unequal justice system…not black issues?



Monotheistic Proof:

1/26/08, 20:45:pm

@Rosie

I hear you but I can’t take a few things away from Bill Clinton. Primarily around economics. His economic advisors were geniuses and they are currently aligned with Obama by the way.

He helped small business which allowed for innovation and created more “New Money,” than this country had seen in a longtime. As small businesses grew into large businesses, so did employment opportunities.

Which in turn, drove up the competition for talent resources and employee compensation. This increased the over all health of the economy. It is estimated that 6,000,000 new jobs were created in the first two years of his presidency although I think this is way high. Through cutting taxes on the poor and taxing the top 1.2 percent of the population.

He created our first surplus in years. He helped small business which allowed for innovation and created more “New Money,” than this country had seen in awhile. Companies that produce for Americans were rewarde with increased spending and higher profits.

His foreign policy pretty good also, aside from Somalia (Black hawk down) of course… which is still light years beyond the current state of foreign affairs. At least he could recognize a mistake and pull out. Something our current President still struggles with.

He was a good president not so much just for blacks but for any one rich, middle cl***** and below. Its the wealthy that wanted him out. I for one am glad he was tougher on crime. Although in many cases the system is indeed still broken.



VictoriousOne...

1/26/08, 20:47:pm

@Monotheistic Proof

I cosign….



Monotheistic Proof:

1/26/08, 20:48:pm

@Rosie

Please know despite my lengthy challenge to Clinton’s legacy, I do think your views are very much on point. Thank you for bringing some light to the discussion.



Monotheistic Proof:

1/26/08, 20:51:pm

@VictoriousOne

Thank you for taking time to read my long winded statements.



rosie

1/26/08, 21:01:pm

@Monotheistic proof

I generally agree that Clinton was good for the economy. It is certainly interesting that many of those folks are now working for Obama. Based on the memoirs that former Clinton cabinet members have written about their experiences, it may be related to the fact that Hillary essentially had a equal, if not more important say than they did in policy.

I see two problems though. First, one can make an argument that Alan Greenspan should have done more in the late 1990’s to dampen the tech bubble.

Second, more so than Somalia, Rwanda was a HUGE policy failure of the Clinton administration. Although the US has a pathetic history of sitting on its hands during genocide or severe ethnic conflict, the Clinton administration was definitely asleep at the wheel during the Rwandan genocide. Samantha Power explains why in excruciating detail in her book “A Problem from Hell”.

That said, I love that so many folks are engaged on politics nowadays! This is a very interesting message board.



LINGATRU

1/26/08, 21:01:pm

@nahnah

No one is saying we don’t have issues that are or seem to be exclusive to our community. But not everything wrong in the black community is suffered by only black people. Poverty? Every race suffers from poverty, yes I know the percentage is higher for blacks, but if we don’t get rid of poverty for all, it won’t be going anywhere. One big problem with poverty is white people hide their poverty. But its there. Crime? Some of the most disgusting crimes committed are committed in the white community. The everyday type crimes going on with white people are handled like their poverty, close it up hide the scar.

So yes we have black issues, but most of what the media reports as black issues are American issues. They are indeed problems with our country as whole. But if we limit it to one community we look better. Nothing more important then looks, bite your nose off to save your face. American vanity.



n_satiable

1/26/08, 21:03:pm

@ nahnah…

I think the point the other poster was making is that issues like the one you list DO exist in the black community, but they aren’t LIMITED to the black community. Poverty has many causes (limited education, dead-end jobs, living in an area with high cost of living, broken family where one parent’s income is not enough to cover the costs of a family, etc.). As far as the broken familial structure goes, about 40% of children in 2005 were born out of wedlock, and the race with the highest percentage was actually Hispanics, not Blacks. I think the problem with the justice system can partially be attributed to poverty as well…if you’re not rich, you end up with a public defender. While he/she can’t be *****umed to be incompetent, they certainly have a higher case load and less time to devote to individual case than a lawyer who charges hundreds of dollars an hour (hence why so many celebrities “get off” when Stevie Wonder can see that they’re guilty).

And those aren’t specifically “black issues” because they don’t apply to every single black person…and typically apply to every other race in America as well.

BTW…your post at 8:16 made some really good points (until you made my ears burn at the end…ha ha).



nahnah

1/26/08, 21:03:pm

Monotheistic Proof:

Bill Clinton bombed more countries than Bush, including Iraq.

He, like Bush, murdered thousands of innocent civilians. In fact, he should have been impeached for war crimes, not because he got his wee wee sucked.

Also, Clinton left a messy economy for Bush – and Bush just effed it up more…



Monotheistic Proof:

1/26/08, 21:04:pm

@NahNah

Those things are general issues in my opinion. You can find any of those things in any culture or race. Blacks have not cornered the market on crime, disfunction and negativity. Although we do get a quadruple dose of injustice.

I don’t think this is a black issue. In America it is a people issue that transcends race and cl*****. Paris Hilton is not an anomaly, take away the money and entitlement and she would probably be in a cage right now. But this is further proof the system is broken



Common Sense

1/26/08, 21:04:pm

@n_satiable

If you want to know Obama and Clinton’s views on issues, visit their websites, not a gossip site! You’ll see that Obama, not Clinton, has taken a stance on civil rights. Obama also has a plan to revamp education, health care, and crime.

I swear, n_satiable, dumb*****es like you should not vote–you’re too damn lazy to do your own homework, and rely instead, on what the media tells you.



Common Sense

1/26/08, 21:05:pm

Also, try reading a newspaper. You might learn something!



nahnah

1/26/08, 21:10:pm

Yes, it’s true, you guys are right – those issues are not limited to black people – but they are prevelant in the black community, and that’s why I think people coined the term ‘black issues’.

Poverty exists in every race, and that’s why I think poor people of every race need to unite, just like rich people of every race unite to ***** on poor people.

And the criminal justice issue is both racial and socio-economical. Rich people are more likely to get off, and black people are more likely to be convicted, especially if the victim is white.



Shootingstar

1/26/08, 21:11:pm

Co-sign! Go, Obama!

*The Clintons have shown their ***** in a grand way over the past 30 days.



LINGATRU

1/26/08, 21:13:pm

Bill Clinton might not have been the best President ever but comparing him as a war criminal to Bush? Ahhh no. Bush should be in jail



LINGATRU

1/26/08, 21:15:pm

@nahnah

Poverty exists in every race, and that’s why I think poor people of every race need to unite, just like rich people of every race unite to ***** on poor people.

AMEN TO THAT



James

1/26/08, 21:16:pm

@ tj:

are you kidding me, you are trying to discredit me because i choose not to right a “decent” post. First off, i only check bossip when i am at work, meaning New York eye and ear, where i am currently doing my residency in plastics. Do you really think i have time to fully craft a wonderful post? do you really think i care? You act as if it is hard to go to a good school. Is that how low your aspiration and self worth has hit, that you feel since you can’t do it, no one else can? It is called hard work, the mere fact that you think only intellectuals attend great schools, that makes you totally ignorant. Acceptance to most elite schools are based on 3 things:

1. who knows you

2. how good your grades and achievements are

3. If you are the ideal minority candidate to fulfill a quota

I had no idea you knew my whole personal history from my mere post. Whatever i put on this forum is simply the truth, what reason do i have to lie, it’s not as if i know anyone on here or anyone can see me or i am getting paid. At the end of the day, i am a well educated man, that is aware of his surroundings and that’s something that cannot be taken away from me, whether you believe it or not, i can careless,you are not a factor in the big scheme of things, your a sheeple. And for the record, if you know anything about Yale, you would know that the school is in the “hood”, the only thing it has going for itself is a name and excellent connections, my first choice was Harvard, but i was rejected, if i was trying to impress someone, i would say i attended Harvard, not Yale. You continue to put your hopes in politicians, i will be here to continue to laugh at individuals like you when you are screwed in the near future, which i know for certain is a fact. Remember my words, only slaves keep their eyes closed as to what’s really going on around them. This solidifies the reason as to why the black race will continue to be degenerates in the eyes of the world, so quick to drag someone through the mud. If you really thing your pathetic vote counts as to who will be elected you deserve to be left in the dark and not enlightened. Try picking up a book and read. what ever i say is proven fact that can be found in legitimate books, written by legitimate authors, not your Jerome *****y author. It takes someone with minimal intelligence as yourself to think that Obama and Hilary and the other candidates are “legitimate” candidates. what a joke!



Heather -- RON PAUL 2008, *****!

1/26/08, 21:23:pm

The only person who gets it the most in this WHOLE DAMN tread is Carla. People…especially Bossip…need to do their *****ing reaserch. Obamam is a memeber of the groups that are for the new world order. Got your new Real IDs yet? You will in may and you have to have by ‘11. wake the ***** up people. Obama is black, but so the ***** what? he perpetuating the same ideas as the *****ing white establishment candidates.

vote for the constitution. RON PAUL 2008!



Heather -- RON PAUL 2008, *****!

1/26/08, 21:26:pm

I am going to *****ing ***** my pants with laughter in Obama gets in. ***** my pants. He is a liar just like the rest of them. He skirts is Muslim faith too much for my taste. Next step? Allowing NON US born citizens run for Prez. New world order..here we come!

RON PAUL 2008!



nahnah

1/26/08, 21:27:pm

LINGATRU:

I am not comparing him to Bush, what I’m doing is speaking on his record as president for 8 years. He did indeed commit war crimes, and should have been impeached, per the constitution. But much of what presidents do are not based on what’s permitted by the constitution, so…

Clinton even bombed Iraq just to diverge attention away from his extramarital affair issue. Is that not an impeachable crime?

And I think he would have invaded Iraq as well if he had a justification (9/11) like Bush did.



Hope

1/26/08, 21:27:pm

Damn Obama killed them in the polls tonight! 55% over 280,000 voted for Obama tonight and in the last election 290,000 voted in total. That is HUGE! I must say I was Clinton all the way in the past before we ever even heard of Obama but in the past couple of weeks the Clintons have shown their TRUE colors. Race baiting indeed!



Heather -- RON PAUL 2008, *****!

1/26/08, 21:27:pm

<<<<<<<<<=====lmbao

The looks on Bossips face when they realize they elected bush part deux. Come quickly LORD JESUS!

Ron Paul 08, biitches!



nahnah

1/26/08, 21:29:pm

heather

He skirts is Muslim faith too much for my taste.

______________________________

??? What do you mean by that statement ???



Heather -- RON PAUL 2008, *****!

1/26/08, 21:30:pm

Prescription for Prosperity By Dr. Paul:

Introduction

America became the greatest, most prosperous nation in human history through low taxes, constitutionally limited government, personal freedom and a belief in sound money. We need to return to these principles so our economy can thrive again. When enacted, my plan will provide both short-term stimulus and lay the groundwork for long-term prosperity.

Other candidates talk a lot about stimulus packages, but my record stands alone. I have fought for these measures for years as a member of Congress and will make them a top priority as president.

Ron Paul, a 10-term Republican Congressman from Texas’s 14th District, is currently the ranking member of the House Financial Services Committee’s Subcommittee on Domestic and International Monetary Policy, Trade, and Technology. He has been named “Taxpayers’ Best Friend” for 10 consecutive years by the National Taxpayers’ Union. Ron Paul is also the author of several books on monetary policy and economics.

The Four-Point Plan

Tax Reform: Reduce the tax burden and eliminate taxes that punish investment and savings, including job-killing corporate taxes.

Spending Reform: Eliminate wasteful spending. Reduce overseas commitments. Freeze all non-defense, non-entitlement spending at current levels.

Monetary Policy Reform: Expand openness at the Federal Reserve and require the Fed to televise its meetings. Return value to our money.

Regulatory Reform: Repeal Sarbanes/Oxley regulations that push companies to seek capital outside of US markets. Stop restricting community banks from fostering local economic growth.

1. Tax Reform

Eliminate Taxes on Dividends and Savings. The basis of capitalism is savings, and Americans who do so should be rewarded.

P***** HJ Res. 23 to encourage savings over consumption.

Repeal the Death Tax. Attacking small businesses and breaking up family farms smothers growth and kills jobs.

P***** H.R. 2734 to make the Bush tax cuts permanent.

Cut Taxes for Working Seniors. Grandmothers and grandfathers working to make ends meet should keep all the fruits of their labor.

P***** H.R. 191 to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to repeal the inclusion in gross income of Social Security benefits.

Eliminate Taxes on Social Security Benefits. That money belongs to seniors, not the government. They paid into the system for a lifetime, and they should be free to spend every penny as they see fit.

P***** H.R. 192 to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to repeal the 1993 increase in taxes on Social Security benefits.

Accelerate Depreciation on Investment. We need to help companies grow and create jobs.

P***** H.R. 4995 to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to reduce corporate marginal income tax rates.

Eliminate Taxes on Capital Gains. Investment should be embraced and rewarded.

P***** H.J. Res 23 (The “Liberty Amendment”), proposing an amendment to the Constitution of the United States relative to abolishing personal income, estate, and gift taxes and prohibiting the United States Government from engaging in business in competition with its citizens.

Eliminate Taxes on Tips.The single parents and working students who earn their income chiefly through tips deserve to keep all of their money. This tax on “estimated income” is unfair and should be ended.

P***** H.R. 3664 to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to provide that tips shall not be subject to income or employment taxes.

Support the Mortgage Cancellation Relief Act. Working families who lost their homes should not be punished a second time with a big IRS bill.

P***** H.R. 1876 to amend the Internal Revenue Code of 1986 to exclude from the gross income of individual taxpayers discharges of indebtedness attributable to certain forgiven residential mortgage obligations.

2. Spending Reform

Reduce Overseas Military Commitments. Our bases and troops should be on our soil.

It’s time to stop subsidizing our trading partners in Europe, Japan and South Korea.

Freeze Non-Defense, Non-Entitlement Spending at Current Levels

I vote against all bloated, pork laden spending bills and will veto them as president.

3. Monetary Policy Reform

Televise Federal Open Market Committee Meetings. An institution as powerful as the Federal Reserve deserves full public scrutiny.

Expand Transparency and Accountability at the Federal Reserve

P***** H.R. 2754 to require the Board of Governors of the Federal Reserve System to continue to make available to the public on a weekly basis information on the measure of the M3 monetary aggregate and its components.

Return Value to Our Money. Legalize gold and silver as a competing currency.

Level the long-term boom and bust business cycle by p*****ing H.R. 4683, which would repeal provisions of the federal criminal code relating to issuing coins of gold, silver, or other metal for use as current money and making or possessing likenesses of such coins.

4. Regulatory Reform

Repeal Sarbanes/Oxley. It has seriously wounded our capital markets and helped make the UK a financial center at our expense.

Ending these misguided regulations would bring jobs flooding back to the United States

P***** H.R. 1049 to reform Sarbanes-Oxley and reduce the burden it places on small businesses.

Repeal or Remove Costly and Unnecessary Federal Regulations. Neighbors know best how to help their neighbors.

We need to make it easier for community banks, credit unions, and other financial institutions to better serve their communities and to help people in these communities get access to credit and capital.

P***** H.R. 1869 to enhance the ability of community banks to foster economic growth and serve their communities, boost small businesses, increase individual savings, and for other purposes.



nahnah

1/26/08, 21:31:pm

Well said, James!



Heather -- RON PAUL 2008, *****!

1/26/08, 21:32:pm

heather

He skirts is Muslim faith too much for my taste.

______________________________

??? What do you mean by that statement ???

He is running as a relativist (alll religions are the same), but he is a practicing muslim). If he is a muslim, he needs to say so. The fact that HE skirts the issue tells me he knows that would be a problem.

If you feel that all religions are the same, good for you. I dont.



nahnah

1/26/08, 21:39:pm

Heather -

I don’t know where you get your facts from, but he belongs to a Christian church and have been practicing Christianity for the majority of his life. That’s a confirmed fact.

His father was a Muslim, but he was raised by his mother – was wasn’t a Muslim.

I don’t support Obama, but that ‘he’s a Muslim’ rhetoric is a bigoted excuse based on empty fear.

As if the Christians don’t commit evil. Please, girl, you need to practice your libertarian values and think for yourself instead of believing in some bull***** and 100% newsletter.

And I’d love to know the difference between Christianity and Islam.



nahnah

1/26/08, 21:40:pm

*bull*****, 100% false newsletter.



n_satiable

1/26/08, 21:44:pm

@ Common Sense…

Check my post from 7:01. I have been doing my homework since the candidates declared themselves. Just because I ask someone to explain their opinion doesn’t mean that I take it as fact or that I will agree with it. It simply means that I am intrigued by the stance taken.

And by the way, I voted today BASED ON MY HOMEWORK because I am not lazy. I have enough COMMON SENSE to know that the media nor the candidates are unbiased in their views and the information they choose to disseminate, which is why I checked and reviewed NUMEROUS sources before I pressed the key to confirm my vote.



rosie

1/26/08, 21:44:pm

OK, I do NOT get the obsession with Ron Paul.

I agree that the deficit is a problem. I agree that we could all do with a little less government meddling in our personal lives. I even think some of his health care reforms are reasonable.

But his fiscal and monetary policies make no sense.

Alternative currencies?

A return to the gold standard?

Federal government interference in local property tax issues?

Huh?



Heather -- RON PAUL 2008, *****!

1/26/08, 21:47:pm

And I’d love to know the difference between Christianity and Islam.

I know two muslims who claim to be Christian, but when they go to Jordan, they abide by all the muslim traditions and belief systems. They are grown ***** adults and they are still required to go home twice a year. They even tell me themselves, once muslim, ALWAYS a muslim, regardless of what you do in public. I think the same applies for obama. Yes, that is Heather thinking for herself.

The difference between muslim and a Christian.

Muslim: Jesus was Prophet

Christian: Jesus is the savior of all mankind.

A prophet is a pretty steep fall from being the saviour of the free world in my never to be humbled opinion.



Monotheistic Proof:

1/26/08, 21:47:pm

@Rosie

Great Points, I truly slipped on Rawanda. I think every super power around has that blood on their hands.

I have been looking for my 8:16 post but I can’t find the one your referring to but you are probably referring to my foul mouth. I do have my vices I think you know one. I will have to check out Samantha Power you have struck my curiosity. I agree it is refreshing to see how diverse this sight really is. Great discussion.

@Bossip

I have to run but thanks to everyone for sharing your views. And putting up with my p*****ion for this topic.



tj

1/26/08, 21:48:pm

Try picking up a book and read. what ever i say is proven fact that can be found in legitimate books, written by legitimate authors, not your Jerome *****y author. It takes someone with minimal intelligence as yourself to think that Obama and Hilary and the other candidates are “legitimate” candidates. what a joke!

,,,,

Here’s the thing. I really did get a degree from Princeton in public international affairs no less so I can tell you your conspiracy theory can not be found in any book whatsoever. And since I have worked for Harper Collins I can say such theoretically focused nonsense certainly wouldn’t be published by a major market. Also it’s not just your grammar. Your rhetoric is decidedly sub-par, your phrasing is awkward, and your argument lacks persuasion. Had you gone to Yale you would have flunked. Also your self-hatred is evident in rather ignorant unfounded and accusatory *****ertions toward black electorates. Had you really been of an Ivy league intellect, or even remotely exposed to such an education your intellectualizing and *****essments of the current political climate would again be more EVOCATIVE.



tj

1/26/08, 21:50:pm

That was at James and please again stop sullying the Ivy league name. You know nothing about us. And no one from Yale would say “if I wanted to impress I would say I went to Harvard” lol. Especially since Yale is the better undergrad.



nahnah

1/26/08, 21:52:pm

Heather

I thought you were afraid he had ties to Osama Bin Laden, and that he was going to blow up the White House, or something. I have heard of this before, so my bad for ignorantly *****uming those were your thoughts.

Regardless, I think religion and politics don’t mix -but that’s another story.

I’m out y’all.

PEACE!



Heather -- RON PAUL 2008, *****!

1/26/08, 21:54:pm

OK, I do NOT get the obsession with Ron Paul.

But his fiscal and monetary policies make no sense.

Not trying at all to be mean, but I would ask you to do a little more research on this issue. Keep in mind, up until 1971, you could use GOLD to buy goods in stores. That being said, the GOLD standard is the best standard to go by. This is not just talking about GOLD but ALL precious medals. It makes no sense to have money when we have nothing that GIVES us this money. I hope that makes sense, because it is the only way for a COUNTRY to do business. How are we doing business now? Like a company. That is not going to work. We have INVESTORS in our country oversees. What happens if they all decided to cash in their bonds??? We would be BANKRUPT. OUR deficit would quadrupal. ***** recession — we would be talking about a damn DEPRESSION. That is not a good risk to take at all and that is what all the candidates want to keep doing: selling BONDS. Paul wants to bring the troops home…all over the world…and get our selves SORTED out. You can not help anyone unless you help yourself.



LINGATRU

1/26/08, 21:56:pm

Heather, Obama isn’t a Muslim but so what if he was?

Nahnah, Iraq didn’t have ***** to do with 9/11.

I don’t remember who said it, but this has been an interesting thread. Fights and all, it has been one of the best we’ve had



Heather -- RON PAUL 2008, *****!

1/26/08, 21:57:pm

I thought you were afraid he had ties to Osama Bin Laden, and that he was going to blow up the White House, or something. I have heard of this before, so my bad for ignorantly *****uming those were your thoughts.

Not at all. I am one of those who now believe that the US GOV was behind 911. Call me crazy if you want, but I believe they were all hired agents by the US based on their beleif system (Paradise..virgins..etc.). All to bring about the new world order. (exhibit A — REAL/TRUE ID that contains a microchip in it…this ID must be carried at all times. Good big brother times!)



tj

1/26/08, 22:00:pm

@ Nahnah (The best post you’ve ever written)

Heather -

I don’t know where you get your facts from, but he belongs to a Christian church and have been practicing Christianity for the majority of his life. That’s a confirmed fact.

His father was a Muslim, but he was raised by his mother – was wasn’t a Muslim.

I don’t support Obama, but that ‘he’s a Muslim’ rhetoric is a bigoted excuse based on empty fear.

As if the Christians don’t commit evil. Please, girl, you need to practice your libertarian values and think for yourself instead of believing in some bull***** and 100% newsletter.

And I’d love to know the difference between Christianity and Islam.



crazy black lady

1/26/08, 22:01:pm

I HOPE BARACK DOESN’T SUFFER THE SAME FATE AS CAROLINE KENNEDY’S FATHER. PLEASE PRAY FOR BROTHER!



Heather -- RON PAUL 2008, *****!

1/26/08, 22:02:pm

TJ…I answered her. Thank you.



Joe

1/26/08, 22:07:pm

***** Barack



optimus

1/26/08, 22:09:pm

I am not sure how Obama is going to make it, cause Hillary is leading in every state of the super tuesday except Illinois.

He has one week o at at least take the lead in states with double digit african american population percentage like georgia… and be a solid contender in california, new jersey even in NY while ny might be a tougher challenge since it’s Clinton’s state…

also most of the democratic establishement is for Clinton and she has a popular husband who will cover a lot of the 20 states that she won’t be able to cover…

Touch week for obama, i truly hope Edwards could just leave the race and endorse Obama…



nahnah

1/26/08, 22:11:pm

Lingatru:

I know Obama didn’t have anything to do with 9/11, but 9/11 was used as a pretext to invade Iraq.

You should also google Project for New American Century, and look for the Rebuilding America’s Defenses. That was started by Cheney, Rumsfield, Wolforitz, and several others who are or were on the Bush Admin, and advocated for Saddam’s removal and also for more military presence in the Middle East since the 1990’s. And they argued, the only thing that would allow them to go into the Middle East, is a catastrophic and catalyzing event––like a new Pearl Harbor…in other words, 9/11.

Keep in mind, that report, Rebuiliding America’s Defense was written in 1998, and 9/11(the new pearl harbor) occured in 2001. So, they literally ‘predicted’ everything that is happening today…Hmmmph…

You can also google ‘an open letter to president Clinton’, where they pressured Clinton to invade Iraq and remove Saddam.

If you don’t already know about it, feel free to look it up on wikipedia or any place else. They even have a website.

Have a good night!



Angel_Minded

1/26/08, 22:12:pm

I honestly think that Obama and Hilary have the same views for Amerikkka. I don’t understand why everyone is trying there damnest to google anything negative about Hilary? Wouldn’t there time and energy be best spent googling info on why Obama is the better candidate? Aside from him wanting unity amongst Democrats and Rebulicans, what does he really stand for? I have heard too many concise plans from Hilary, for me to believe that Obama will be the better candidate. Don’t get me wrong, I’d love it if a black man could be elected, but sadly I don’t believe that this will happen. I guess we’ll find out when presidential primaries are over…Clinton ‘08!



optimus

1/26/08, 22:12:pm

the difference between christianity and islam? i don’t see a single one… the two civilisations that are the results of those religions toook black people as slaves! so there is no difference black have been slaves under christian and islamic countries, kingdoms etc…



D nic

1/26/08, 22:24:pm

S.C. All hats of to you. You did your part. Hopefully ever other state will do theirs. Obama, when you hit NYC, we will hold you Down. Obama for president. For the Young, the old, for America

Peace



nahnah

1/26/08, 22:27:pm

Heather -

I believe 9/11 was indeed from the day it happened. In fact, I have never thought otherwise. Anthrax was also an inside job.

Put it this way:

Bush stole the election in 2000 because he was sent on a mission to ‘rebuild America’s defenses’ in the Middle East.

That is why America, with its TRILLION DOLLAR defense system, allowed those people to burn in those towers, and did absolutely nothing about it.

It is no longer a secret that Bush lied to invade Iraq, so the average American can easily connect the dots, as the truth is slowly, but surely coming out.

Only in movies do we see a bunch of A-rabs with box cutters hijack planes, while all government agencies and securities are asleep. GIVE ME A BREAK!

Americans need to wake up and realize that a bunch of criminal thugs have hijacked the white house, and it’s going to be our *****es if we don’t wake up soon.

With that said, I like a lot of Ron Paul’s policies. In fact, I’ve decided to youtube him, and suprisingly, I was completely mesmerized by his sense of truth…which is odd, since he’s a conservative Republican – and I tend to dislike that party.

Anyway, keep your head up, girl. I’m glad you’re able to explain your position, unlike some others on here!



nahnah

1/26/08, 22:30:pm

That was supposed to be:

I believe 9/11 was an inside job from the day it happened.



tj

1/26/08, 22:30:pm

heheheh Heather!



rosie

1/26/08, 22:32:pm

@Heather

I have done research on this, which is why I think it makes no sense.

The gold standard was designed to stabilize currency. However, having a highly valued stable currency specifically benefits 1) financial interests, and 2) businesses that import goods. It kills exporters. It also ties a government’s hands in times of economic crisis, because you can’t inject cash into the economy to prop it up when it is flagging. Hence William Jenning Bryant’s famous quote “You shall not crucify mankind on a cross of gold.” Keynesean economics emerged out of both the failures of the gold standard system, and the rise of fascism that was concurrent in Europe at the time.

The currency system that we have today – and I might add, that all highly developed economies use – is based on policy not metals. If you overspend and have too much debt, the value of the currency falls. If you fix these issues, it goes back up again. This is why we have the most flexible and dynamic capital markets in the world are found in New York and London.

The countries that “peg” their currencies (to the dollar or the euro – the same way people pegged to gold 100 years ago) tend to…um…have problems. Argentina is a case in point. Why? Because ultimately pegged currencies – whether to gold or to another more stable currency – are very difficult to maintain POLITICALLY, especially during a recession.

Ultimately, the gold standard has no place in an advanced economy.



RIDEORDIE

1/26/08, 22:33:pm

We did it!!

I must admit, I didn’t believe that SC would be able to see through the smoke screens and BS of the Clinton machine.

Let’s take this show on the road ya’ll Feb. 5th.

Get out the vote, and bring 3 ppl w/ you.

OBAMA 2008



Nun Ye

1/26/08, 22:38:pm

Well all of the Obama supporters cherish this victory. Feb 5 it will be all over for him because Hispanics will not vote for him. So enjoy be happy embrace this bi-racial man race for the White House, he fought the good fight. Good Night and Good Luck!



Heather -- RON PAUL 2008, *****!

1/26/08, 22:43:pm

The gold standard was designed to stabilize currency. However, having a highly valued stable currency specifically benefits 1) financial interests, and 2) businesses that import goods. It kills exporters. It also ties a government’s hands in times of economic crisis, because you can’t inject cash into the economy to prop it up when it is flagging. Hence William Jenning Bryant’s famous quote “You shall not crucify mankind on a cross of gold.” Keynesean economics emerged out of both the failures of the gold standard system, and the rise of fascism that was concurrent in Europe at the time.

The currency system that we have today – and I might add, that all highly developed economies use – is based on policy not metals. If you overspend and have too much debt, the value of the currency falls. If you fix these issues, it goes back up again. This is why we have the most flexible and dynamic capital markets in the world are found in New York and London.

The countries that “peg” their currencies (to the dollar or the euro – the same way people pegged to gold 100 years ago) tend to…um…have problems. Argentina is a case in point. Why? Because ultimately pegged currencies – whether to gold or to another more stable currency – are very difficult to maintain POLITICALLY, especially during a recession.

Ultimately, the gold standard has no place in an advanced economy.

Ultimately you do need to do more research. The price of GOLD (Obviously) continues to rise. America, on the other, continues to print money that is backed by absolutely nothing and the dollar has fallen behind in value to the canadian dollar. Our policy sucks. if it didnt, the dollar would be strong and it is not. America is conflicted right now, but it is obvious that an investment economy is NOT going to trive.



Whitegirl

1/26/08, 22:45:pm

White America is not ready for a black president

Please….Obama 08!!!!!



lovely and amazing

1/26/08, 22:46:pm

@ Nah Nah

I am intrigued and saddened by your universal discouragement in all the candidates. In all fairness to your perspective, maybe there is something outside of every box you bring to the table, I am interested in learning:

1) What would you like to see in a President?

2) If you were running, what would be your platform?

3) Where have the candidates disappointed you?



Millicent

1/26/08, 22:48:pm

WOW! The racist Clintons… before this African entered the race we ALL loved Bill Clinton! I am a highly educated Black woman who LOVES the Clinton’s and have NEVER eaten ‘chitlins’. I think that it is the MOST ignorant thing that you can do to vote for this empty suit because his skin is dark. What is your rationalization. What has he ever done for this country and what does he PLAN to do? If you can’t answer that you are a FOOL to vote for him. That post was ridiculous and this is my last time EVER reading Bossip again!

Go HILLARY!!!!!!!



Heather -- RON PAUL 2008, *****!

1/26/08, 22:50:pm

@NahNah…very good points! I guess, like most people, we know the truth, but just dont want to think that the Goverment could stoop to that level. It really is sickening to know the truth and so many people dont see it. Usama Bin Laden is an Agent and he is being used by the bush admin.



tiray

1/26/08, 22:51:pm

AHHHH….I need time to get myself together..(sigh)

There are black people that see things like i do!I really think that Obama IS the person that should make the decisions for our country.

think

http://www.blackwiz.biz

http://www.my*****e.com/tirayk



FLYYGIRL

1/26/08, 22:54:pm

I for OBAMA.. I loved his speech. Hilary left SC so fast she cant concede to victory. John Edwards is my second pic. I’ve read some people’s post saying their not voting for anyone ya’ll are straight up WACK… Don’t talk about it if you cant take it to the POLLS.

OB for 08



FLYYGIRL

1/26/08, 22:55:pm

** I’m for OBAMA.. I gotta a little bit happy.



FLYYGIRL

1/26/08, 22:56:pm

I’m not voting for him just because he is BLACK. I’m voting for him because we need something different I have read where he stands on the issues. I don’t want to go back its time to move foward.



On And On

1/26/08, 22:59:pm

“Just reading through some of these comments both the positive and the negative I’m seeing that the Clinton’s have been very successful in depicting Barack as “The black candidate” as opposed to the candidate who happens to be black. Such is politics…”

———————————

The Clintons DIDN’T bring race into the election.

THE MEDIA DID.

They started this mess, talking about, “Obama won the Whitest state in the country!” Harping on Obama’s RACE – as they bragged about him beating Hillary in the Iowa Caucus.

Yet Obama supporters STILL continue to wrongly blame the Clintons for injecting race.

Could this be because deep down inside, most Black voters wanted to vote for Obama because he was Black? Most Black folks are not hollering “racism” right now because Obama won in S.C. tonight – though about 80% of the Black S.C. voters went with Obama.

But, as we head into Super Tuesday on February 5, and the majority of White voters decide to put their votes behind Hillary Clinton (because we KNOW it’s coming), I wonder if these same folks will be hollering “racism” then.



Heather -- RON PAUL 2008, *****!

1/26/08, 23:00:pm

I’m not voting for him just because he is BLACK. I’m voting for him because we need something different I have read where he stands on the issues. I don’t want to go back its time to move foward.

GOT DAMN PEOPLE!! How are you moving forward, when you are doing the same ***** just under a different color?

Wake up.

SMH



Ara

1/26/08, 23:02:pm

BARACK OBAMA FOR PRESIDENT 2008 GO OBAMA!!!



rosie

1/26/08, 23:13:pm

@Heather

10:43 post states that “our policy sucks”. I agree. However, I don’t think the answer is the gold standard, and I still have not seen any evidence as to why this might be a good idea.

Frankly, I don’t think a lot of Ron Paul supporters understand how currency markets work, or know the history of the gold standard beyond what Dr. Paul has decided to post on his website. The gold standard sounds like a great idea until one looks at 1) how disastrous it was for so many countries historically, and 2) how painful staying on the gold standard is for a lot of workers, since they have traditionally been sacrificed to keep the national currency stable.

The central idea behind the gold standard is controlling inflation. However, the historic trade-off for low inflation has been high unemployment – there is a direct inverse relationship between the two. This relationship was broken in the US during the 1990’s – something that was literally IMPOSSIBLE until we switched AWAY from the gold standard system.

Again, the gold standard has no place in a modern advanced economy.



Kdogg

1/26/08, 23:15:pm

YES WE CAN!



Nun Ye

1/26/08, 23:16:pm

*****phukas vote for Obama because he is Black, noton the issues. I guess if the other two Black men who ran for prez was Jesse and Al, I would also feel good about Obama. If this was just Hillary and Edwards, people would trip over each other trying to vote for Hillary. SC stand up! Now sit yo ***** down.



rosie

1/26/08, 23:17:pm

As for thriving investment economies, it has worked pretty well for the British and the Dutch for the last 400+ years…



Heather -- RON PAUL 2008, *****!

1/26/08, 23:20:pm

Again, the gold standard has no place in a modern advanced economy.

I disagree. Again, people are just focusing SO much on the gold standard. However, it does not just start there. IT also includes getting rid of the non constitutional income tax. Studies have already shown that we if only got rid of the income tax, the GOVERMENT would not lose a damn dime. However if we decrease our spending? America could finally be in the black…for once in a long tim. check out ron pauls my*****e. he has a ticker of where our deficit is heading. It is absolutely sickening.

Again, the GOLD STANDARD is a part of a bigger plan. Yes, the gold standard would work in this economy. if it wouldnt, the cost of GOLD would have decreased over time, which we know it has not.



Heather -- RON PAUL 2008, *****!

1/26/08, 23:22:pm

As for thriving investment economies, it has worked pretty well for the British and the Dutch for the last 400+ years…

They also dont have a world policing foreign policy that cost them BILLIONS/TRILLIONS a year, either. I am prinitng off my street canvasing list now for Ron Paul. WATCH OUT CHICAGO…HERE I COME!



Nun Ye

1/26/08, 23:24:pm

Heather- Ron PAul its a wrap.



Kdogg

1/26/08, 23:25:pm

I was proud to be a South Carolinian today. We are perennial cellar dwellars in education but today…We made the intelligent choice. Best of all, we did not buy into that Bill Clinton “The First Black President” crap.



lovely and amazing

1/26/08, 23:25:pm

@ Heather

You’ll find a lot of Obama supporters also admire Paul. I do.

I have considered how this race would have turned out if Paul had ran as a Democrat just for strategy sake.

I think he hasd he done so he would have really appealled to the progressive/liberal youth because his ideas are quite “Punk” and “Indie” if you get what I’m saying.

But Paul is so ademant about identifying as a Republican and identifying his ideas with the Republican Party, he won’t even consider Independent. I think his refusal to compromise here shot his momentum in the foot.

I’ve seen Paul speak in person and he is truly interesting and captivating and very earnest. He invites you to challenge and reconsider everything you know and that I must say this is very vulnerable and frightening place for alot of people to be, especially at this time.

No one can take from Ron Paul the revolution he built from ground up in this run. I pray Obama honors this and reaches out to Paul and includes Paul in a movement for CHANGE.

Because even if Obama is not elected President, he will be more powerful than a President, and will be in the position to positively affect this country and the world at large. Paul has some great contributions this NEW DAY.

I have also considered that Obama, of whom I am die hard supporter, would have had an even stronger run had he run as a Republican for strategy sake.

This is why Bloomberg is so attractive to people. Because he (well, he can afford to be) is his own man and owns his ideas. He sees and uses the parties simply as strategic bases not prisons or owners of his ideas.

Just some food for thought or concersation.

OBAMA 2008!

YES HE CAN!

OBAMA 2008!



Little Wing

1/26/08, 23:28:pm

Racist Clintons? Shut the ***** up with your lies Bossip. And YOU guys are the race baiters.



LINGATRU

1/26/08, 23:30:pm

For some, Americans will be racist if Obama doesn’t win. Are we sexist if Hillary doesn’t win? Almost wish one ran this year and other next time around. Which sucks because this is a great moment for us. Both are being taken seriously, that’s major when you think it’s taken until 2008 to get this far. The plights of the black man are so similar to that of woman of all colors, it’s too bad they didn’t run together. Egos?



tiray

1/26/08, 23:30:pm

We are DEFINATELY voting for OBAMA because he is black…DEFINATELY!

But we also are looking for another way of thought. Another thought process. The “voice of experience” has proved that is wasn’t the VOICE we needed. It’s also time for “billary” to understand that their way of thought is also p*****e!( let’s not get it twisted. Bill DOES want to be president again.)

Of course Obama won’t address black issues the first year….HE CAN’T! Sit tight black people. We have to learn (along with white people) that not every wish can be forfilled by the president. eventually 1/3 of your wishes MAY get attention.

Let’s look at the big picture.Change is a process…Sometimes not the first yr…..maybe not the 2nd yr.Sometimes change is allowing others to act with prejudice.

think

http://www.my*****e.com/tirayk



tiray

1/26/08, 23:34:pm

opps…typo

to act without prejudice



lovely and amazing

1/26/08, 23:34:pm

Sorry about the typos.



rosie

1/26/08, 23:38:pm

Actually the British DID basically police the world from the early 19th century up until WWI, hence the term “Pax Britannica”.

The price of gold fluctuates over time, since it is primarily used today as a hedge against economic uncertainty. The price also has risen over time because it is a finite resource that is tightly controlled by central banks around the world.

Again, I agree that the deficit is a problem, but I have yet to see why the gold standard or a repeal of the income tax is a solution to that problem. Clinton cut the deficit in the 1990s by both RAISING taxes and cutting the federal budget. And there are very few people who complained about the economy in the Clinton years.

I don’t think there is anything that would change my belief that Ron Paul’s proposals to fix our fiscal mess are anything but crackpot. However, I agree with him in terms of privacy issues and the need for health care reform. I think that is general I agree with his diagnosis, but not on the medicine. Subsequently I will not be voting for him. Such is life.



lovely and amazing

1/26/08, 23:39:pm

@ Little Wing

You are so late to this conversation. It’s been so long established that the Clintons are racist and race baiters. Democrats, Republicans, Independents have all been disgusted by Billary’s racist tactics.

OBAMA 2008!



rosie

1/26/08, 23:40:pm

That and many of his supporters scare me.



Heather -- RON PAUL 2008, *****!

1/26/08, 23:41:pm

Nun Ye..actually Ron Paul just one in LA. The results should be revealed soon. Ron Paul is just getting started sweetness!



Janelle

1/26/08, 23:41:pm

OH and One word…SECURITY…because we all know that there are so crazy radical racists out there just looking to pick off the first black president



Hope

1/26/08, 23:43:pm

I’m not voting for Obama because he’s BLACK! I wasn’t even looking Obama’s way. His wife is actually who helped sway my vote with what she’s had to say about Obama. Obama has the vision that America needs to achieve. He has proven that he is the right man for the job at all his debates. The Clinton’s who I previously rooted for are tearing the democratic party apart. Bill Clinton calling Obama a kid and his views fantasy is just pathetic! He might as well call him boy. I’m starting the see why so many couldn’t stand the Clintons and they are starting to make me regret that I ever backed them!



NIKI

1/26/08, 23:44:pm

nahnah is working for Rudy Giuliani! Don’t listen to NAHNAH just b/c she has a black girl in her gravatar does not mean that is who is typing.



Kdogg

1/26/08, 23:47:pm

YES WE CAN!!



lovely and amazing

1/26/08, 23:53:pm

OBAMA 2008!

Qualified, Prepared, Capable, & Ready!

OBAMA 2008!



Ron Paul

1/26/08, 23:55:pm

The easiest way to fix the economy is to bring back slavery. That would give negoes the free jobs they need. That would stop outsourcing and cut labor and insurance costs tremendously. The prison’s will no longer be overcrowded.



Heather -- RON PAUL 2008, *****!

1/27/08, 00:11:am

^^^^ thanks Rudy G.!



On And On

1/27/08, 00:24:am

1. Gas was cheap because: a) Bush I established a relationship with the Saudis to keep it that way,

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Wrong. Gas prices dropped during the Reagan years because America’s demand for oil dropped after the enery crisis of the ’70s. High foreign oil prices back then forced America to switch to alternative fuel and energy with the help of then-Democratic president Jimmy Carter. President Carter primarily phased the United States off of foreign oil – until Reagan was elected in 1980. The Saudis became so desperate for the U.S. money in the mid-80s that they made a deal with then-Republican president Ronald Reagan to drop the oil prices.

Clinton is a big part of the reason why hybrid vehicles are on the market in the United States today. He encouraged the auto companies to manufacture hybrid cars in order to help Americans lower our oil dependency and improve the environment. Because the big business Republicans (Bush, Reagan, etc.) want to keep huge, toxic, expensive gas-guzzling vehicles on the roads.

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b) China and India were not the major oil consumers they are today back in the 1990’s

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True – their economies didn’t flourish with oil until the Bush administration encouraged and helped huge U.S. corporations to build their manufacturing factories in China and India – exploiting cheap Communist labor for huge profits. This is, unfortunately, one of the huge mistakes from the Clinton administration – the p*****ing of the NAFTA bill. Yet, even when Clinton p*****ed the NAFTA bill, our economy was STILL flourishing and job and business opportunities were plentiful. That all changed drastically when Bush Jr. took over in 2001.

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c) we weren’t invading oil-producing countries

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Sorry – yes we were. The U.S. has always had a military presence in the Middle East and other once oil-rich areas throughout the world. Especially since America peaked in oil production in 1972 and we finally ran out of cheap oil in 1977.

The Middle East has the world’s last, biggest cheap oil reserves. That’s the ONLY reason our military is over there. And, if Republicans have their way in November, they will KEEP our soldiers over there until the cheap oil runs out. They won’t hesitate to bring back the draft either – if it becomes necessary. Repubs want to make sure that NO other country – especially China – gets to that oil.

Democrats (and many Republicans), on the other hand, are telling the big-business Repubs to wake up and start investing dollars in alternative energy and fuels RIGHT NOW to grow our economy. We’re already seriously behind. Because by virtually ALL scientific and expert calculations, the Middle East peaked in oil production about a year ago. Or will peak by about 2010. If the United States doesn’t shift off of oil in the next few years, we are in very serious trouble. Because cheap oil creates huge economies and wealth. Without it – or enough alternative energies to take the place of cheap oil when it finally runs out in the next few years – the U.S. economy will completely crash. It will be worse than the Great Depression.



lanette

1/27/08, 00:27:am

BOSSIP talking about support? talking about riding for somebody?

now that is funny……



tiray

1/27/08, 00:36:am

Boy,am i reaching..

Wouldn’t it be great to have an Obama/Gore?

And a mixed republican/democrat cabinet?

my little dream……..

think

http://www.blackwiz.biz



LINGATRU

1/27/08, 00:37:am

WTF- We can’t have it both ways folks. If we want Obama to be viewed as the man running for president who happens to be black, we can’t say that everything said about him is racist.

They are running against each other. Obama has dismissed Hillary, she’s done it to him. Its part of it.

Bill talking about his age, lack of experience etc is racist? Come on, that’s b.s. What about Michelle talking about the Clinton’s marriage? Was that racist? No it wasn’t.

They are in a the biggest race of their lives, they will be slinging ***** at other each. Turning it into racism or sexism is non-sense. Unless Obama calls her a ho or she calls him coon don’t twist it into something it isn’t.

Its bad enough for both of them, they don’t need us making ***** up.



lovely and amazing

1/27/08, 00:39:am

@ NIKI

A few of us have already exposed Nah Nah as a plant days ago.

Nah Nah is the most persistent plant and insists on returning to the Bossip boards even after she has repeatedly told this board to kiss off and proclaimed to be through with it and after she has insulted the blog and its commenters (“ignorant c-word” I think was one of the insults).

I gave Nah Nah the benefit of the doubt and asked her a few posts up to clarify her position other than just being contrary for the sake of being contrary (ie. being a plant).

Anyway, she is clearly a PLANT baiting Obama supporters into exhausting and distracting themselves.

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Bossip reader JAY already checked NAH NAH, and of course she never came back at him after he shut her down point for point regarding her post calling OBAMA a House Negro.

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Nah Nah wrote about Obama:

House Negro = Continuously approving funding for an illegal, unjust, and criminal war that directly affect people of African decent.

House Negro = Supported the reauthorization of the US Patriot Act, which directly affect people of African decent.

House Negro = Voted against a strategic, and timely troop withdrawal out of a war that directly affect people of African decent.

House Negro = Advocate for military action against Pakistan, which will directly affect people of African decent.

House Negro = Advocate for military action against Iran, which will directly affect people of African decent.

House Negro = Refusal to stand up for black voting disenfranchisement during the 2004 election in Ohio.

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Jay’s checkmate response to Nah Nah:

“House Negro = Continuously approving funding for an illegal, unjust, and criminal war that directly affect people of African decent.”

Actually, he was against the war from the beginning – but knew that he had to provide the troops with what they needed while they were there. Ok, this is easy so far.

“House Negro = Supported the reauthorization of the US Patriot Act, which directly affect people of African decent.”

That’s actually incorrect, and speaks to your greater ignorance to some extent – what he voted for were stipulations that lessoned the affects of the original Patriot Act. Ignorance, once again defeated.

“House Negro = Voted against a strategic, and timely troop withdrawal out of a war that directly affect people of African decent.”

Not all troop withdrawals are good, and the one he voted against not only left “people of African decent” vulnerable – it didn’t address issues concerning what post Iraq plan would be put into place. Politically, you are retarded.

“House Negro = Advocate for military action against Pakistan, which will directly affect people of African decent.”

He’s running for President of The United States, not Granbd Puba at your local Moose Lodge – a president should never take military options off the table. What country do you live in? Grow the ***** up little girl.

“House Negro = Refusal to stand up for black voting disenfranchisement during the 2004 election in Ohio.”

That one is an outright lie, that the facts smack around pretty mercilessly I may say.

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NOTE: Nah Nah never came back at him.

She simply waited for a new Obama post to get back to work as a professional “anti-Obama and equal opportunity hater of all the candidates” PLANT.

Nah Nah’s been trained well like in how to spout “pro-black” rhetoric in order to appear sincerly black and to gain just enough trust here for folks to engage her disdain, contradictions, and contrary negativity.

Righ on Jay for checkmating Nah Nah!

OBAMA 2008!

YES HE CAN!

OBAMA 2008!



SeattleSlim: You Know You Want Me!

1/27/08, 00:44:am

I am glad he won but it’s time to move on!!!! California and the other states for February 5th are going to be hard states to win.

GET OUT AND VOTE BLACK PEOPLE!!!!!! THERE IS NO OTHER ALTERNATIVE!!!

Because we all know what’s going to happen if she wins the nomination:

The republicans will have her DESTROYED and she’ll lose and we’re *****ed another 4 years OR she’ll win and we’re *****ed another 4 years because she’s weak and she is shifty.



BABY

1/27/08, 00:52:am

make it rain, obama…2008 is yours

people, vote or suffer…seriously…



lovely and amazing

1/27/08, 00:53:am

If age, health, and medical soundness are considered in regard to electing a president, shouldn’t we consider how Hillary’s clinical depression and propensity for emotional outburts and psychotic rage will affect her Presidential capabilty?

OBAMA 2008!

At least Obama has faced and dealt with his demons as a young man. While Hillary is still in denial and sleeps next to her demons every night.

Sorry Bill, guilty husbands can buy their wives tennis bracelets, not the presidency.

OBAMA 2008!



lovely and amazing

1/27/08, 00:55:am

The Republicans can’t wait to have a field day wit Hillary’s clinical depression and psychologically warped “marriage”.



tiray

1/27/08, 00:56:am

u guys….u guys are smarter than i once thought!

We get alot of this on Cali.

If a white person sees a group of black men talking,he/she will immediately stick around ,and try to add to the conversation.

Trust this people. We will keep our wits about us,and let our 3rd eye see for us! He will WIN THIS journey.

Nah-nah isn’t a bad person.From time to time,we need to be challenged!For every nah-nah,there SHOULD be a JAY.

think

http://www.my*****e.com/tirayk



lovely and amazing

1/27/08, 00:58:am

sorry typo, “with” Hillary’s depression



Kurt Eric Munroe

1/27/08, 01:03:am

SUPPORT OBAMA!!!



Kurt Eric Munroe

1/27/08, 01:12:am

People interested in encouraging the electorate to vote based on issues rather than race ought to direct much of their energy to white, Latino, and Asian sites, too. I don’t think blacks need to be lectured about non race-based support. When was the last time we have seen a black person win the nomination for either party? Yet, we vote all of the time. GO OBAMA!!!!

Do your thing people.



lets not HATE in 08

1/27/08, 01:12:am

VOTE OBAMA VOTE OBAMA VOTE OBAMA VOTE OBAMA VOTE OBAMA VOTE OBAMA VOTE OBAMA VOTE OBAMA VOTE OBAMA VOTE OBAMA VOTE OBAMA VOTE OBAMA VOTE OBAMA VOTE OBAMA VOTE OBAMA VOTE OBAMA VOTE OBAMA VOTE OBAMA VOTE OBAMA VOTE OBAMA VOTE OBAMA VOTE OBAMA VOTE OBAMA 08 YEAH!



tiray

1/27/08, 01:12:am

Ok,ok. It’s now time move past this latest victory and look to places like Cali! I’m in Cali,and the climate here is republican.It’s a c***** to get young blacks to think pollitical,and harder to get the older blacks out to the polls……

Hey guys.

Is it possible that we move to get our elder’s to the polls in our Denali’s & our Hummer’s? You know you wanna show-off anywayz. Now’s your chance,and it’ll be for a cause greater than we think.Let’s make the responsibility of an Obama nomination in our own hands and make it personal.

We ARE in a democracy…..right?

think

http://www.blackwiz.biz



getyourhandouttamypocket

1/27/08, 01:21:am

I’m so excited! Some things are about to finally start happening…good things!

OBAMA ‘08!



lovely and amazing

1/27/08, 01:25:am

Where are the campaigns targeting young African-American males (18-25) to VOTE?

This is the year for young brothers to shine and really actually make a major difference! They can elect Obama to be president! You don’t need anything to go and vote. Just motivation and way to get there. There should be voting marches going on. March the young men and all young people to the voting booth. They are voting for a future where they or their sons or daughters can graduate Harvard and if they choose even run for president!

Please people in Cali register, motivate, and march the African-American youth to VOTE OBAMA!

OBAMA 2008!



lovely and amazing

1/27/08, 01:47:am

Obama/Gore would be genuius and the ultimate pay back after Billaary bailed on Gore and then played golf with George Bush, Sr.

*****el Peace Prize and Academy Award, that’s some VP.

I also have considered the possibility of a bipartisan ticket…



Fierce Chili

1/27/08, 03:56:am

Obama ‘08!



Schlomo Garcia

1/27/08, 04:19:am

Nah Nah is a dirty F—— B—-.



optimus

1/27/08, 04:20:am

Latinos and Hispanics prefer Clinton than this black person, since the clinton have kind of the same relationship they enjoyed with blacks untill Obama apeared! In a state like California it is important!

And also let us not forget that the Clintons have succeded in making race the issue of the primaries and if white and others stop to see Obama as a candidate that trecends race, it’s over for him!



Monotheistic Proof:

1/27/08, 04:55:am

Optimus,

Your an idiot please keep reading you dumb as message until it make sense, Unfortunately I couldn’t make it work. Peace my silly amigo.



ImpeachW

1/27/08, 05:31:am

The NY Times got me so enraged when they endorsed Hillary.

Thank god Caroline Kennedy set things straight.

Intelligent people will vote Barack.

Too bad this country’s made up of morons.



Boomboomroom

1/27/08, 07:02:am

GO OBAMA!



lovely and amazing

1/27/08, 08:06:am

Yeah, the NY Times played themselves. And Caroline Kennedy certainly set it right. JFK’s last living heir has p*****ed the torch to OBAMA.

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Caroline Kennedy’s endorsment of Obama is historical and moving:

OVER the years, I’ve been deeply moved by the people who’ve told me they wished they could feel inspired and hopeful about America the way people did when my father was president. This sense is even more profound today. That is why I am supporting a presidential candidate in the Democratic primaries, Barack Obama.

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OBAMA 2008!



lovely and amazing

1/27/08, 08:19:am

Op-Ed Contributor

A President Like My Father

By CAROLINE KENNEDY

Published: January 27, 2008

OVER the years, I’ve been deeply moved by the people who’ve told me they wished they could feel inspired and hopeful about America the way people did when my father was president. This sense is even more profound today. That is why I am supporting a presidential candidate in the Democratic primaries, Barack Obama.

My reasons are patriotic, political and personal, and the three are intertwined. All my life, people have told me that my father changed their lives, that they got involved in public service or politics because he asked them to. And the generation he inspired has p*****ed that spirit on to its children. I meet young people who were born long after John F. Kennedy was president, yet who ask me how to live out his ideals.

Sometimes it takes a while to recognize that someone has a special ability to get us to believe in ourselves, to tie that belief to our highest ideals and imagine that together we can do great things. In those rare moments, when such a person comes along, we need to put aside our plans and reach for what we know is possible.

We have that kind of opportunity with Senator Obama. It isn’t that the other candidates are not experienced or knowledgeable. But this year, that may not be enough. We need a change in the leadership of this country — just as we did in 1960.

Most of us would prefer to base our voting decision on policy differences. However, the candidates’ goals are similar. They have all laid out detailed plans on everything from strengthening our middle cl***** to investing in early childhood education. So qualities of leadership, character and judgment play a larger role than usual.

Senator Obama has demonstrated these qualities throughout his more than two decades of public service, not just in the United States Senate but in Illinois, where he helped turn around struggling communities, taught constitutional law and was an elected state official for eight years. And Senator Obama is showing the same qualities today. He has built a movement that is changing the face of politics in this country, and he has demonstrated a special gift for inspiring young people — known for a willingness to volunteer, but an aversion to politics — to become engaged in the political process.

I have spent the past five years working in the New York City public schools and have three teenage children of my own. There is a generation coming of age that is hopeful, hard-working, innovative and imaginative. But too many of them are also hopeless, defeated and disengaged. As parents, we have a responsibility to help our children to believe in themselves and in their power to shape their future. Senator Obama is inspiring my children, my parents’ grandchildren, with that sense of possibility.

Senator Obama is running a dignified and honest campaign. He has spoken eloquently about the role of faith in his life, and opened a window into his character in two compelling books. And when it comes to judgment, Barack Obama made the right call on the most important issue of our time by opposing the war in Iraq from the beginning.

I want a president who understands that his responsibility is to articulate a vision and encourage others to achieve it; who holds himself, and those around him, to the highest ethical standards; who appeals to the hopes of those who still believe in the American Dream, and those around the world who still believe in the American ideal; and who can lift our spirits, and make us believe again that our country needs every one of us to get involved.

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I have never had a president who inspired me the way people tell me that my father inspired them. But for the first time, I believe I have found the man who could be that president — not just for me, but for a new generation of Americans.

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The torch has been p*****ed.

OBAMA 2008!

YES HE CAN!

OBAMA 2008!



Flyy

1/27/08, 09:47:am

Yeah for those who can’t read (Ron Paul) I said, I am NOT voting for him because he is BLACK~~ I have read his issues and I am behind him 100%



nahnah

1/27/08, 10:09:am

lovely and amazing:

do you know how childish, dumb, and absolutely ignorant you sound? so, just because i don’t support obama, i’m a plant? so, in your tiny little mind, a black person who doesn’t support obama and his real id’s isn’t black?

so i guess you believe in racial profiling as well, since, you know, all negros are the same – and we all should think alike?

seriously, instead of copying and pasting crap from the mouth of others, why don’t you confidently argue your stance, if you want people like me to take you seriously? otherwise, you’ll just be looked upon as an idiotic puppet.

it’s a sad thing that in 2008, even black people feel all black people should think a like. and if you know what you were saying, and wasn’t simply a puppet who fell for the ‘whoa is obama’ mantra, you wouldn’t be so threatened by my words. so get a life, and stop riding my *****. i have a man, and i’m not into women like that.



nahnah

1/27/08, 10:16:am

So just because that Kennedy chick jumped on the bandwagon, we should all do the same thing?

Get your Real Id’s yet, btw?

What better way to mask fascism, other than to Negrolize it???



Kenya

1/27/08, 10:41:am

Well, you negros let me know when you finish your public holiday.



Joan

1/27/08, 10:42:am

I was a Clinton supporter. I adored her intelligence. She lost me when she couldn’t answer whether she supported Eliott Spitzers’ attempt to give (illegal) immigrants drivers’ license. She was so transparent in her attempt to say whatever she needed to, to get elected. It bothered me deeply. I know,I know, all politicians lie.

I was also shocked when she suddenly “got her vioce” in New Hampshire. She is in her 60’s. What has she been doing with her mind all these years?. It took a loss in Iowa to find her values, her stance of issues?. Hogwash.

I was disappointed with her supporters, Sheehan and former President Clintons’ racist turn. I expected more from the Clintons. I never trust whites completely, but, I thought the Clintons were too intelligent to stoop to using racial fear and biases to win, it seem, at all costs.

While I support peoples’ right to find work to feed and clothe their families who live in dire poverty, I don’t support giving those who are here illegally the right to obtain legal do*****entation.

A drivers’ license is used legally for so many things; voting, credit card applications,enrolling in college, buying a car, and a host of other things.

If we can’t differentiate between those who are legally here and those who are unknown, that is a security issue in regards to identity theft, at the least.

I began to look at all candidates. I was sure Chris Dodd would do better. I liked his strong stance on making us stronger; on adhering to the Constitution-something the Republicans could care less about. Win at all costs seems to be their mantra-even if it destroys our union.

I was impressed by Joseph Biden. He has extensive experience and foreign policy knowledge. Richardsons’ extensive diplomatic knowledge and work still impresses me-after all these years. I voted for John Edward. I still suppport his stance on eradicating poverty in America. It can be done.

I eventually, reluctantly, investigated Barack Obamas’ site. I looked for articles on his Senate voting record and how he worked with his colleagues. I didn’t want to use race. That’s the way of a racist or the ignorant. I am more intelligent than that.

I was impressed. I began to seriously listen in the debates. I looked at how he handled himself-he is consistent. I looked and liked how he took the time to explain his answer. No more Bush-one-liners, in response to serious issues.

I became impressed with his intelligence-his thorough thinking on issues. I agree that illegal immigrants are not coming here to “go to in ‘n out burger”. Illegal Immigration is a huge problem, worldwide. The native economies have to do more to *****ist their poorest citizens. We should never, however, forget to help the less fortunate-legally.

I looked at Obamas’ health plan. If you are happy with your current one, you are not affected by his.

I think his plan to insure all children is wonderful. A healthy child, ensures that his/her parents are able to work and provide for the family. Taking care of anyone who’s sick is time consuming. Paying for care without the means is devastating.

I support Obama now. I have looked at his website-read his views and platforms. I have listened to the Democrats and Republicans who support. The mere fact that he was on many occasions able to garner Republican support to p***** legislation was impressive. Will Hillary be able to do that?. Can she transcend the politics of the ’90’s?. Can she unite America?. Will this be a continuation of the Clinton Presidency?.

I support Barack Obama. I donate. I talk about him with anyone who wants to, even if they support another candidate. We need discussion. We need variety. We need inclusion- of all Americans.

OBAMA 2008!!!.

America deserves the truth. America deserves a new and better direction.



Anonymous

1/27/08, 10:59:am

I think Barack Obama understands what Reagan did. Reagan was able to get Democrats to abandon their partys’ positions and vote for his agenda. Reagans agenda was for his view and plans for America.

Obama understands that to get anything done in this country, you need cooperation of both Democrats and Republicans. Just look at our Democratic Congress and Senate. They have a lead only by one (1) vote. They are unable to convince Republicans who hate this war and it’s prosecution to support the Democratic view.

Obama understands how to coalesce viewpoints. Reagan understood this completely. Reagan had a vision. I personally disagreed with it. He was however, able to convince Democrats to support his views and vote his way. Why?. He had the intelligence and character to appeal to people who disagreed with him.

Hillary Clinton while very intelligent, lacks the finesse and character to convince across the aisle (Republicans) to supoport her plans. Republicans hate the Clintons. I don’t think we can move forward with her. She and her husband are polarizing. I don’t want another four to eight years of this Bush nonsense. I am tired of the politics of division. I am weary of nothing getting done in the name of the m*****es-not just the top 1%.

I support Obama. I am ready for someone intelligent enough to realize the good tactics that the opposition has used. At least he didn’t take a page out of the Carl Rove book. He unlike Clinton is not following the old Lee A*****er directive. Don’t know who Lee A*****er was?. Google him. He was a Reagan pitt-bull. He would say anything out of his mouth to win an election for the Republicans. Before his death, he apologized for the things he’d done and said in the course of his life.



LetMeTellYa

1/27/08, 11:15:am

First of all, I’m VERY HAPPY Obama won. All I can say is be prepared for the OLD AND USUALLY EFFECTIVE game of “Divide and Conquer”. What tools are going to be brought out by the “first Black President” Bill Clinton and Hillary’s camp to divide the Black folks who voted for Obama? Will Black folks fall for it? Hillary CAN’T say anything, if she’s smart.



kkoes

1/27/08, 11:17:am

PRESIDENT CLINTON AND VICE PRESIDENT GORE

Working on Behalf of African Americans

Economy

Nearly 18 Million New Jobs. More than 90 percent of the new jobs have been created in the private sector, the highest percentage in 50 years.

Record-Low African American Unemployment. The unemployment rate for African Americans has fallen from 14.2 percent in 1992 to 8.9 percent in 1998 — the lowest annual level on record (data first collected in 1972)

Median Income of African American Households Is Up $3,354. The median income of African American households rose 4.3 percent (or $1,029) in 1997. And since 1993, the median income of African American households has increased from $21,696 to $25,050 — $3,354 or a 15-percent increase, adjusted for inflation, between 1993 and 1997.

Real Wages Are Rising for African Americans. The real wages of African Americans have risen rapidly in the past two years, up about 5.8 percent for African American men and 6.2 percent for African American women since 1996.

Tax Cuts For Low-Income Working Families. President Clinton’s 1993 Economic Plan provided tax cuts to 15 million hard-pressed working families by expanding the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC). The average family with two kids who received the EITC received a tax cut of $1,026. In 1997, the EITC lifted 1.1 million African Americans out of poverty.

Largest Four-Year Drop in African American Poverty in More than Twenty-Five Years. Since 1993, the African American poverty rate has dropped from 33.1 percent to 26.5 percent — the largest four-year drop in African American poverty in more than a quarter century (1967-1971) and 26.5 percent is the lowest level on record (data collected since 1959). While this decrease marks significant progress, President Clinton will continue to fight for policies that help to raise incomes andreduce poverty.

Child Poverty Among African Americans Down To Lowest Level on Record. In 1997, the African American child poverty rate fell from 39.9 percent in 1996 to 37.2 percent — its lowest level on record (data collected since 1959). Since 1993, the child poverty rate among African-Americans has dropped from 46.1 percent to 37.2 percent — the biggest four-year drop on record.

Minimum Wage Increased. The President raised the minimum wage to $5.15 an hour — directly benefitting 1.3 million African American workers.

Fighting for Paycheck Equity. The President has called on Congress to p***** legislation to strengthen laws prohibiting wage discrimination. In 1997, the median earnings of African American women represented 65 percent of the median earnings for all men.

Two and a Half Times More Small Business Loans to African American Entrepreneurs. Between 1993 and 1997 the Small Business Administration (SBA) approved more than 9,000 loans to African American entrepreneurs under the 7(a) and 504 loan programs. In 1997 alone, the Small Business Administration granted 1,900 loans, worth $286 million, to African American small business owners, two and a half times the number of loans granted in 1992.

Supporting Minority Business Communities and Increasing Access to Capital. Building on the efforts of the SBA, Vice President Gore unveiled aggressive plans to increase lending and business services to the African American and Hispanic business communities nationwide. The SBA has set a goal of providing an estimated total of $1.86 billion in loans to African American small businesses over a three-year period. In addition, the Vice President announced an unprecedented agreement between SBA and the “Big Three” U.S. automakers to increase subcontracting awards to minority businesses by nearly $3 billion over the next three years — a 50 percent increase over current levels.

Ensuring Minority Business Owners Have a Fair Opportunity to Compete. The President signed the Transportation Equity Act for the 21st Century into law on June 9, 1998. The Act protects the Disadvantaged Business Enterprise (DBE) Program, a program that ensures that minority and women owned businesses have an opportunity to compete for transportation projects. The Administration helped defeat an amendment to the House version of this bill that would have eliminated the DBE Program. In a different measure, the President also approved the creation of a new program to target *****istance to minority-owned businesses in industries that continue to reflect the effects of discrimination. As a result, thousands of minority-owned businesses will be able to compete more effectively for government contracts.

Working on Behalf of Minority Farmers. The U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) is working to strengthen programs and increase outreach targeted to underserved communities, including increasing its lending to minority and women producers. Between 1993 and 1998, direct lending to these groups has nearly doubled — from $46.5 million in FY93 to $91 million in FY98. The Administration is committed to righting any past wrongs by federal employees and worked with the Congress in 1998 to craft language contained in the Agriculture Appropriations bill that waives thetwo-year statute of limitations on discrimination complaints against USDA’s farm and housing loan programs. This waiver allows compensation to be provided to many minority farmers who were victims of discrimination by USDA from the early 1980’s through the 1990’s. On Jan. 5,1999, Agriculture Secretary Dan Glickman announced an historic agreement to settle the discrimination lawsuit against the U.S. Department of Agriculture brought by African American farmers. As President Clinton said regarding the settlement, “Today’s action is an important step in Secretary Glickman’s ongoing efforts to rid the Agriculture Department of discriminatory behavior and redress any harm that has been caused by past discrimination against African-American family farmers.”

Expanding Investment in Urban and Rural Areas. Spurring economic development in distressed communities, the Clinton Administration has created 31 Empowerment Zones and more than 100 Enterprise Communities that are creating new jobs, new opportunities and stronger communities. The FY99 budget included $60 million in flexible discretionary funding for the next round of Empowerment Zones and Enterprise Communities.

Helping People Get to Work. The Transportation Equity Act for the 21st Century authorizes $750 million over five years, and the FY99 budget included $75 million, for the President’s Access to Jobs initiative and reverse commute grants to help communities design innovative transportation solutions so that families who need to work can get to work.

Providing Incentives to Save. The President signed into law a five-year, $125 million demonstration program for Individual Development Accounts, providing incentives for low income families to save for a first home, higher education, or to start a new business, effectively completing his 1992 community empowerment agenda.

*****isting Families with Housing Vouchers. Congress approved the President’s full request for 50,000 new vouchers exclusively for people who need housing *****istance to make the transition from welfare to work.

Homeownership Is Up. There are more than seven million new homeowners since the President took office. African American homeownership has increased 20 percent with 974,000 new African American homeowners since the first quarter of 1994.

Helping More Families Become Homeowners with the “Play-by-the-Rules” Homeownership Initiative. The FY99 budget included $25 million for the Neighborhood Reinvestment Corporation to start this new initiative that will make homeownership more accessible to families who have a good rental history but have difficulty purchasing a home; 10,000 lower-income and minority families who are currently renting will benefit from this initiative.

Expanding Low-Income Housing Tax Credit by 40 Percent. In 1993, President Clinton fulfilled hispromise to permanently extend the Low-Income Housing Tax Credit, spurring the private development of low-income housing and helping to build 75,000-90,000 housing units each year. President Clinton has proposed to expand the credit by 40 percent. Over the next five years, this expansion would mean an additional 150,000 to 180,000 quality affordable rental units.

Building One America. The President has led the nation in an effort to become One America in the 21st Century: a place where we respect others’ differences and, at the same time, embrace the common values that unite us. Dr. John Hope Franklin, Advisory Board Chair, and Rev. Suzan Johnson Cook served on the Advisory Board to the President’s Initiative on Race, which the President charged with overseeing this effort. The President, the Administration and the Advisory Board were actively involved in public outreach efforts — including holding numerous public meetings and town halls — to engage Americans across the nation in this historic effort. One of the critical elements of the President’s Initiative on Race was identifying, highlighting and sharing with the nation promising practices — local and national efforts to promote racial reconciliation. The Advisory Board presented their final report to the President on September 18, 1998, and recommended that conversations on race continue.

Creating an Administration that Looks Like One America. The President appointed the most diverse Cabinet and Administration in history. The Clinton Cabinet includes three African Americans: Rodney Slater, Secretary of the Department of Transportation; Togo West, Jr., Secretary of Veterans Affairs and Alexis Herman, Secretary of Labor. Additionally, African Americans serve in the Administration as Surgeon General, Deputy Attorney General for the Department of Justice, Director of the National Park Service, Deputy Secretary of Commerce, Department of Education General Counsel and as the Department of Education’s Chief of Staff. Thirteen percent of Clinton Administration appointees are African American, which is twice as many African Americans as any previous administration. White House appointees include: Bob Nash, *****istant to the President and Director of Presidential Personnel; Thurgood Marshall, Jr., *****istant to the President and Director of Cabinet Affairs; Minyon Moore, *****istant to the President and Director of Political Affairs; Cheryl Mills, Deputy *****istant to the President and Deputy Counsel and Ben Johnson, Deputy *****istant to the President and Deputy Director of Public Liaison; Alphonso (Al) Maldon, Deputy *****istant to the President for Legislative Affairs; and Tracey Thornton, Deputy *****istant to the President for Legislative Affairs.

Increasing the Number of Judicial Appointments. President Clinton has named 14 African Americans as U.S. Attorneys and 12 African Americans as U.S. Marshals. The President has nominated 57 African Americans to the Federal bench, 16 percent of his total Federal bench nominations.

Ordered an *****essment of Affirmative Action Programs. The President ordered a comprehensive review of the government’s affirmative action programs which concluded that affirmative action is still an effective and important tool to expand educational and economic opportunity to all Americans. This review of federal affirmative action programs has helped to ensure that these programs are fair and effective and that they can survive legal challenges. As a result, programs that benefit African Americans, including students, working men and women, and business owners, remain in effect andare more likely to be upheld by the courts.

Reducing Backlog and Expanding Alternative Dispute Resolution at Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC). The FY99 budget included $279 million — a $37 million increase over the previous year — to significantly expand EEOC’s alternative dispute resolution program and reduce the backlog of private sector discrimination complaints. The final budget fully funds the President’s request — providing the first real increase for EEOC in several years.

Creating a National Memorial to Honor Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. In July of 1998, President Clinton signed a new measure authorizing the creation of a national monument to Dr. King on the National Mall in Washington, D.C.

Opposed California Prop. 209 and Similar Measures. The Clinton Administration strongly opposes state and local initiatives to eliminate affirmative action programs that expand opportunities for African Americans and others. The Administration opposed Proposition 209 in California and filed amicus briefs opposing Prop. 209, which currently prohibits state affirmative action programs. The Clinton Administration opposed a similar initiative in Houston, which was defeated and opposed an initiative in Washington that is similar to Prop. 209. In all these cases, representatives of the administration have spoken out strongly against these initiatives as unfair and a barrier to equality.



kkoes

1/27/08, 11:18:am

Ensuring Election Fairness. The Clinton Administration defended racially fair redistricting plans against claims that they were unconstitutional and prevented election day discrimination against minority voters and voter intimidation and har*****ment by monitoring polling place activities in a record number of states and counties.

Working for Fair Housing. To respond to the increase in reported cases of serious fair housing violations, HUD will double the number of its civil rights enforcement actions by the year 2000. HUD has also committed $15 million to 67 fair housing centers around the country to *****ist in fighting housing discrimination. In addition, the President proposed and won a major expansion of HUD’s Fair Housing programs. The FY99 budget expands HUD’s Fair Housing programs from $30 million in FY98 to $40 million in FY99. That 33-percent increase includes $7.5 million for a new audit-based enforcement initiative proposed by the Administration.

Working to Ensure Fairness and Remove Barriers to High Quality Education. The Office for Civil Rights in the Department of Education is working to eliminate discriminatory educational practices within schools that contribute to deficiencies in minority student achievement. These priorities included the inappropriate placement of minority students in special education, limited access of minority students to challenging curricula and programs such as gifted and honors cl*****es and the lack of comparable resources.

Defended Fairness. The Clinton Administration has filed more cases between 1993 and 1997 to enforce fair housing laws than any other Administration (more than 500 cases). For instance, this Administration desegregated a Vidor, Texas, public housing complex and ordered a Mississippi bankto implement remedial lending plans for minority customers who were unfairly denied loans by the bank.

Eliminated Discriminatory “Redlining” Practices. The Clinton Administration negotiated agreements with health care agencies to eliminate discriminatory “redlining” practices denying home health care services based on residential location.

Apologized to the Victims of Tuskegee. President Clinton apologized to the victims of the Tuskegee Syphilis Experiment and their families, and directed Health and Human Services Secretary Donna Shalala to issue a report about how best to involve communities, especially minority communities, in research and health care. HHS awarded a planning grant to Tuskegee University to help it establish a center for bioethics in research and health care.

Working to Ensure a Fair and Accurate Census. The Clinton Administration is working to ensure that Census 2000 is the most accurate census possible using the best, most up-to-date scientific methods as recommended by the National Academy of Sciences. According to the Census Bureau, the 1990 Census missed 8.4 million people and double-counted 4.4 million others. Nationally, 4.4 percent of African Americans were not counted in the 1990 census. While missing or miscounting so many people is a problem, the fact that certain groups — such as children, the poor, people of color, city dwellers and people who live in rural rental homes — were missed more often than others made the undercount even more inaccurate. A fair and accurate Census is a fundamental part of a representative democracy and is the basis for providing equality under the law. The President is determined to have a fair and full count in 2000.

Children and Families

Eliminating Racial and Ethnic Health Disparities. In 1998, President Clinton announced an initiative to end racial and ethnic health disparities. The effort sets a national goal of eliminating the longstanding disparities by the year 2010 in six key health areas: infant mortality, diabetes, cancer screening and management, heart disease, AIDS and immunizations. For example, African Americans suffer from diabetes at 70 percent higher rates than white Americans. The President announced a five-step plan — led by Surgeon General and *****istant Secretary for Health Dr. David Satcher — to mobilize the resources and expertise of the Federal government, the private sector, and local communities. In the FY99 budget, Congress took a critical first step in investing in the President’s multi-year proposal.

Addressing HIV/AIDS in Minority Community with an Historic $130 Million Effort. Minority communities make up the fastest growing portion of the HIV/AIDS caseload (44 percent of all new HIV cases). In FY99, there will be an unprecedented $130 million investment that will improve prevention efforts in high-risk communities and expand access to cutting edge HIV therapies and other treatment needed for HIV/AIDS.

Focused Health Efforts. Established the Office of the Minority Health Research and Alternative Medicine at the National Institutes of Health. Helped communities develop culturally-competent systems for the care of children with serious emotional disturbances through the Comprehensive Mental Health Services for Children and Families program.

Protected and Strengthened Medicare, Benefiting the 3.4 Million African Americans Enrolled in Medicare. The Balanced Budget Act of 1997 extended the life of the Medicare Trust Fund for at least a decade; expanded choices in health plans; and provided beneficiaries new preventive benefits. The President has also put forth a proposal that, if enacted, will provide greater access to health insurance for Americans ages 55 to 65, including an option to buy into Medicare.

Increased WIC — $1 Billion Higher. Under President Clinton, parti*****tion in the Special Supplemental Nutrition Program for Women, Infants, and Children (WIC) has expanded by 1.7 million — from 5.7 million in 1993 to 7.4 million women, infants, and children in 1998, with funding rising from $2.9 billion to $3.9 billion (FY99). Research shows that every $1 increase in the prenatal care portion of the WIC program cuts between $1.77 and $3.90 in medical expenses in the first 60 days following childbirth. In 1996, 25 percent of the infants who benefited from WIC were African American.

Providing Safe After-School Opportunities for A Quarter of A Million Children Each Year. In the FY99 budget, the President and Vice President proposed and won $200 million for after-school programs, expanding the 21st Century Community Learning Centers program to provide safe and educational after-school opportunities for up to 250,000 school-age children in rural and urban communities each year.

Education

Established the First African American Advisory Board. Established the President’s Board of Advisors for Historically Black Colleges and Universities (HBCUs) to strengthen the capacity of historically black colleges and universities to provide quality education and advised on ways to increase the private sector’s role in these institutions. In addition, the Office for Civil Rights at the Department of Education has been vigilant in its efforts to expand college opportunities through enforcement to eliminate vestiges of discrimination in formerly racially segregated higher education systems. The Office for Civil Rights at Education works to ensure minority student access to higher education, impacting both HBCUs and historically white universities.

Increased Funding and Grants for HBCUs. Increased funding for Historically Black Colleges by over $250 million between FY92 and FY98 — an increase of nearly 25 percent. Today, America’s 105 HBCUs are educating almost 300,000 African Americans.

Expanding Investments In Youth Education And Training. While House Republicans attempted to eliminate the successful Summer Jobs program in FY99, President Clinton prevailed with his request for $871 million in funding, which will finance up to 530,000 summer jobs for disadvantaged youth. The Summer Jobs program provides an estimated 25 percent of the summer jobs held by African American 14-15 years olds and at least 16 percent held by Hispanic 14-15 year olds. The Youth Opportunity Area Initiative program provides high school dropouts between the ages of 16 and 24 with academic and job-skills training, as well as apprenticeships building and rehabilitating affordable housing. The President proposed and won $250 million for this new innovative program in the FY99 budget.



Coop

1/27/08, 11:46:am

@Bossip:

People need to understand that when it comes to South Carolina and a Presidential election Democrats don’t win that state when it’s time to go head-to-head with a Republican. For us as people of color to get excited we are missing the big picture. I like Obama and Hilary but neither of them can not win a presidential election our best chance is Edwards and he doesn’t look to have a chance to win the nomination.



Coop

1/27/08, 11:52:am

People need to understand that when it comes to South Carolina and a Presidential election Democrats don’t win that state when it’s time to go head-to-head with a Republican. For us as people of color to get excited we are missing the big picture. I like Obama and Hilary but neither of them can not win a presidential election our best chance is Edwards and he doesn’t look to have a chance to win the nomination.



Candy Barr

1/27/08, 12:02:pm

President Kennedy gets a lot of credit for doing nothing . . . Half the bills that were signed during his time in office were bills that were forced upon him. He did not want to do anything for Black folks. I remember as a kid all the Black folks who had that blue carpet hung up upon the wall featuring Martin Luther King and Kennedy. He also got us into the Vietnam War.

So, if Obama wants to compare himself to Kennedy now, I have yet another reason not to vote for him. Just mentioning his name along with Reagans is reason enough.



nahnah

1/27/08, 12:09:pm

Candy Barr

President Kennedy gets a lot of credit for doing nothing

____________

Yep!



kkoes

1/27/08, 12:16:pm

thats why he got the magic bullet !!!!!!!!!!!!!



lovely and amazing

1/27/08, 12:20:pm

Nah Nah you are a plant and a very disrespectful and nasty one at that. You are contrary for the sake of just being so, with no basis. You present yourself as thinking “differently” and an advocate for freedom of thought and ideas but you are bully and insist everyone who supports Obama or may not agree with you to be ignorant. As a married Christian mother, I find your comments particularly disturbing. God Bless You and may He lead you to a better moral and character.

What would drive your heart to say something so vile about Caroline Kennedy? A woman who has overcome such tremendous loss and has found inspiration in Obama. You don’t have to support Obama, but is it necessary to be so rude and insulting to those who do? God Bless You and may He lead you to a better moral and character.

I find it interesting that you did not come back at the writer JAY, and he did correct you and you are clearly upset with a new thread seeing it. You attack me but you were shut down by JAY.

I believe in Obama and it is my constitutional right to choose whatever candidate I want. I choose Obama because I believe in him.

OBAMA 2008!

YES HE CAN!

OBAMA 2008!



Coop

1/27/08, 12:22:pm

@Candy Barr

Most the of the bills that LBJ signed like the civil right’s bill where already being put together by JFK’s people. But I guess you did not know that.



Coop

1/27/08, 12:23:pm

nahnah

Candy Barr

President Kennedy gets a lot of credit for doing nothing

____________

nahnah

Yep!

___________________

Your both WRONGGGGGGGGGGGGG.



lovely and amazing

1/27/08, 12:23:pm

@ Anonymous

Brilliant comment. Very well put and informative. Thank you.



Wenzel Dashington

1/27/08, 12:33:pm

ANNOYING CLINTON LIES:

OBAMA IS A LAZY BLACK MAN:

ANSWER: In IL Senate voting “present” means send the bill back and it may be approved later with revisions.

OBAMA IS A MUSLIM:

ANSWER: There is nothing wrong with being Muslim if he was, but he’s not Muslim. He has a Muslim name. But, he didn’t choose it. If his parents were devout Muslims, they would be about the worst ones ever. Obama’s Kenyan father was not religious at all and he married a white, Christian woman from KS. He left them when Barack was two years old. Barack started going to a Christian church regularly about twenty years ago. FYI Hilary Clinton is a Methodist. Monica Lewinsky described Bill Clinton as “a very sensual man” who feels conflicted because of his “strong religious upbringing.” – CNN Article from B. Walters Interview March 3, 1999



weezy

1/27/08, 12:36:pm

now SC will go back into oblivion like it was before the primary. people have not paid this much attention to SC since the Civil War



Coop

1/27/08, 12:40:pm

@ nahnah

You have been watching to much Fox news. Clinton bombed Iraq because of the troop movements but Bill understood that it was best to leave Saddam there as a bully to keep Iran in check.



lovely and amazing

1/27/08, 12:42:pm

@ Nita

@ tj

Keep keeping on!

OBAMA 2008!



Coop

1/27/08, 12:43:pm

@Wenzel Dashington

Calm down that was not put out buy the clintons. Personally I feel it has been put out by the Republicans to start a civil war in the Democratic party and it looks like it is working.



lovely and amazing

1/27/08, 12:49:pm

@ Joan

Wonderul post. Very educational. Thank you.



arasiam

1/27/08, 12:55:pm

SEE WHAT USHER IS DOING? THIS AIN’T A BLACK PANTHER PARTY MEETING, NEGRO, PUT YOUR MOTHER*****IN’ FIST DOWN! THAT’S THE ***** RIGHT THERE THAT IS GOING TO SCARE PEOPLE AWAY FROM BARACK. BULL***** ***** NEGROS THINKING “IT’S OUR TIME.” IT’S NOT “OUR TIME” WE ARE AMERICANS AND HAVE BEEN FIGHTING TO BE TREATED AS AMERICANS FOR HUNDREDS OF YEARS. DON’T SET US BACK BY NOW CLAIMING SOME “BLACK POWER” BULL*****. SPEAK SOFTLY…

THESE HOLLYWOOD CLOWNS ARE GONNA MESS IT UP FOR HIM.



llop

1/27/08, 13:01:pm

I BET WHEN THE WHITE FOLKS TURN THEIR BACK ON OBAMA DURING ELECTION TIME HE GOING TO GET BACK ON THAT COCAINE



Rita LOU

1/27/08, 13:06:pm

OBAMA 2008!!! I prestent all sexy and beautiful girls on blackgirlsconnect.com to claim that, we will support you for ever!!!!!!!



nahnah

1/27/08, 13:27:pm

lovely and amazing,

In the name of the lord – ***** YOU. In the name of jesus, stop riding my *****ty ***** *****, boo.

If you want to have a legitimate debate with me, then let’s roll. But if you want to keep using my name in vain, then I tell you to go ***** yourself, in the name of jesus.

Now, why don’t you stop riding Kennedy’s coat tail, and argue your stance, because using someone else’s rhetorics makes you look like the dumb fool that you are.

Why do you love Obama so much? Do you know his policies? Do you know what he voted for and against? If you do, then go ahead and tell Bossipers why you support him. Either that, or shut up and let me speak my mind.

Seriously, is it because he voted numerous times to keep the troops in Iraq and Afghanistan?

Is it because he voted to preserve the dictatorial patriot act?

Is it because he voted for the dictatorial Real Id act?

Ready, Able, and whatever else crap you said just doesn’t cut it.

And for your information, Obama is a popular candidate. He is not a threat to the elite or white supremacist establishment therefore he doesn’t need any “plants”. Only those who fight for change and truth have those. Unfortunately, Obama is a typical congress critter – so there’s no conspiracy against him.



nahnah

1/27/08, 13:33:pm

lovely and amazing

I believe in Obama and it is my constitutional right to choose whatever candidate I want. I choose Obama because I believe in him

_______________________________________

Well, GOOD FOR YOU! I never told you not to believe in that pseud-progressive. In fact, I never responded to any of your comments, yet you CONSTANTLY, and I do mean CONSTANTLY, ride my ***** in every freggin thread….

WHY???????????????????

If you truly believe in constitutional rights, then why do you keep crawling up my *****? The same way you have the right to support Obama, or any other candidate is the same way I have the right to NOT support any of these bull***** candidates.

Apparently, my comments are getting to you, which is a good thing because it lets me know that I’m doing something right. But, for your own sake, debate with me, and convince me that Obama is not who I say he is instead of that ‘Nahnah is a plant’ bull*****. Are you capable of doing that?



nahnah

1/27/08, 13:33:pm

And who is Jay?



rosie

1/27/08, 13:36:pm

@ gravitar coop (and others who think SC is not important)

More Dems turned out in the primary than Republicans.

More people voted for Barack Obama that voted for McCain and Romney COMBINED.

This is HUGE. Similar turnout across party lines would make SC a “blue” state in the general election.

If Obama can generate this kind of turnout and energy in states that are not normally in play for the dems in the general election, not only would the Dems win in a landslide, but they would also win in states that they have been unsuccessful in for a generation.

Does anyone really think that Hillary has a chance in the general election in states like South Carolina or Virginia? She’ll be lucky to get Pennsylvania. The key to the general election is getting the states that are NOT reliably Democrat (like CA, NY & NJ) into the blue column. If Obama can repeat this performance in other “purple” or “red” states, then he seals his case for being the strongest Democratic candidate to face the GOP in the general election.



nahnah

1/27/08, 13:37:pm

coop

You have been watching to much Fox news. Clinton bombed Iraq because of the troop movements but Bill understood that it was best to leave Saddam there as a bully to keep Iran in check.

___________________

What in the world are you talking about?



rosie

1/27/08, 13:38:pm

@ lovely and amazing

An Obama/Gore ticket would be VERY intriguing…Gore has definitely loosened up since 2000.

But could Obama still claim to be the candidate of change?

Still…hmm…



rosie

1/27/08, 13:43:pm

Oops, McCain and Huckabee…

(from Andrew Sullivan @ the Huffington Post)

“In last week’s SC GOP primary, McCain and Huckabee (the top 2 finishers), got 147,283 and 132,440 votes respectively. That’s a total of 279,723. Obama just pulled down 291,000 by himself.”



tiray

1/27/08, 13:43:pm

ahhh! it’s always refreshing to check in with bossip ,to see what we don’t know!lol. Since the “pundit’s” come to bossip on a regular basis and enlight us with their supreme opinions about politics, i decided to take a break from putting sheetrock on my living-room walls to peek in.

I guess we have to be genuises’ of OBAMA’A history to cast our votes his way….rightttt?

How much did we know about Regan,bush sr.–bush jr.?

Answer: NADA-ZIP, AYN,ZEROSKY!

HE’S BLACK–IT’S HISTORY– WE ARE COLLECTIVLY COMING UP–WE COLLECTIVLY NEED THIS!

Let’s not be crabs,by holding our own back, by holding our own to a much larger microscope than we would some white guy–or gal!

think

http://www.my*****e.com/tirayk

http://www.blackwiz.biz



tiray

1/27/08, 13:45:pm

futher-more…

let’s not wait till white people vote him in-THEN jump on the OBAMA BANDWAGON!!

obama 08

think

http://www.blackwiz.biz



Crap Talker

1/27/08, 13:50:pm

I’m all for jumping on the OBAMA bandwagon….Let’s make history people.



nahnah

1/27/08, 13:53:pm

tiray:

Your argument is half-*****ed. That ‘our own’ argument holds no water, because, despite popular belief, not all black people belong to the Democratic party.

I wonder if you’d make the same argument if someone like Clarence Thomas, Alan Keyes, or even Colin Powell was running for president. Those guys are extremely conservative, and very much pro-Bush. In other words, ‘black issues’ are not in their best interest.

Sorry, your argument makes little sense. And you need to be careful what you say, because if Obama ends up occupying the white house, there’s a chance he might continue the policies of those evil Republicans. And that’s when you’ll be extremely sorry for your blind support of him.

Condoleeza Rice has an extremely high profile position, and what has that done for black people, other than several thousands being killed in Iraq and Afghanistan?

Colin Powell recently left his position, and?

Give it up, please.



rosie

1/27/08, 13:59:pm

@tiray

We DID know about Reagan – he was the governor of California, and had a very clear political agenda while running for office.

Bush I had a long history in government and was the Veep for 8 years.

Bush II was governor of TX, but in retrospect we didn’t know much about him because his behavior in the White House was quite different (although Molly Ivins certainly had nothing good to say about his tenure in Texas!). What we SHOULD have know about him came less from his behavior or record, and more from the people he put around him – Cheney, Rumsfeld & Wolfowitz had a hard-on for Iraq back in the 1990s.

I agree that the crabs in a barrel syndrome is alive and well, but at the same time, given the debacle of the last 8 years we DO need to take a close look at the candidates.

Finally, it’s not clear to me that blacks vote en m*****e for just ANYONE on the ticket. Did anyone on this site support Carol Mosley-Braun because she was black? Should I have supported her as a black woman (and as a resident of Illinois)? NO. Although she is warm and gracious in person, her tenure in the senate was a disaster. Obama is a more viable candidate than she ever was, but still…



tiray

1/27/08, 14:04:pm

nahnah

OMG babe!

IF COLIN POWELL RAN, I WOULD QUIT MY JOB AT BLACKWIZ.BIZ AND SUPPORT HIM WITHOUT PREJUDICE 24-7!AND THAT’S ON MY DEAD FATHER!

I’M ONE OF THOSE KAT’S THAT WOULD BLEED ON THE FLAG TO MAKE SURE THE STRIPS STAY RED!

I’m just a little older than you,and i’ve had this talk every yr. with my friends..I tell t hem,and i quote: EVERY YR. I AGE, THE MORE CONSERVATIVE I GET.

Now,htat’s not to say that i wouldn’t go republican if i though the best man/woman was, It just says that my sense of right tells me that both parties embrame SOME positivity!

AN OBAMA-GORE WOULD BE PARAMOUNT…WOW!

I’M NOT ON HERE TO DEBATE. i’m too old to try out for the debate team at school, but i DO care what happens to my people. first and foremost!

what did we know aby our last 3 prezes?

think

http://www.blackwiz.biz



kiki236

1/27/08, 14:08:pm

why is the “black vote” Black, but White votes are just votes.

Black votes tarnish a candidate but white votes legitimize a candidate.

So sad we fall into arguing a silly point when we don’t question this insult to our identities.

Obama 08 or McCain 08

Billary can go to hell.



tiray

1/27/08, 14:08:pm

oppps….both parties embrace sme good qualities!

think



sun.goddess

1/27/08, 14:09:pm

The next stIt took the European American man to bring this nation into being. He was the one out front in terms of economics and other fundamentals. Today – given the way the nation and the world has unfolded – the European American man has the least amount of leverage to take the country (and the world) forward.

Taking into account this country’s peculiar history with slavery, the African American male is the person with the most leverage for fundamental change and progress.

This line of thought brings Sen. Obama front and center. He is in position to stimulate phenomenal change, notwithstanding that he needs more information to take advantage of the opportunity.

All over the world, men are moving in or toward battle. The United States is caught up in this world wind and the nation is tilting. The African American man has got to show up eventually if the nation is to ever right itself.

The African American man is the real blood-and-guts backbone of hard work in this nation and he is in a mess and he is going to stay there until he straightens it out. His messy predicament and the essential threat to the nation are intertwined.

The threat from which the African American male must save the nation is in the fact that so many young African American boys have no where to go but into gangs. This reality is growing everyday despite minor ebbs in the reported numbers.

This problem may look small to some in the face of the unease about a recession, scary health-care costs, global terrorism, the foreclosure crisis and the war in Iraq. It is, however, not small. In fact, it is quite the contrary and the possibility of a level of domestic warfare much more *****ounced than what we are experiencing now is frightfully real.

Right now, there is no force of African-American men to even be around their boys. That is the legacy that slavery left. There is no tool other than to incarcerate these boys and locking them up is not going to stop what essentially is guerilla warfare. These young boys are not scared of jail.

If these young men are not given a sound platform for being who they are essentially as humans and for mining their natural creativity, they are going to wreck the nation from within.

There is a subliminal surge that has powered Obama to the front; a subliminal recognition that the African American man needs to be at the table. We’ve never been at the table in a primary way since we have been in this country.

African American boys don’t have a precedent to teach them how to be at the table. So not only does the African American man need to rise, he needs to rise with knowledge.

Look at the recent mayoral election in Memphis. It left a gash deeper in Memphis that many seem to want to acknowledge. The in*****bent had to go “black power” to combat the forces against him. No matter what the in*****bent says from this point forward, it is unlikely that he can bridge the divide.

African Americans who do get into office do not have the tools they need to do anything substantive about economics and business and the internal threat outlined here.

And so we are faced with a choice on Feb. 5. We must choose a candidate best situated to maneuver within and grow outside of the status quo of slavery. This newspaper takes the position that Sen. Obama is that person. Vote for him and demand accountability from him.

This accountability must be in the context of Ellison, Wright, W.E.B. Dubois, Marcus Garvey, Booker T. Washington and others who heretofore have not been considered in our choices.

Many who read this endorsement will no doubt argue that it is being made on the basis of race. Each and everyone one who take this position are wrong. It doesn’t have anything to do with race. It has everything to do with the condition of slavery.

America has nothing to empower the African-American man, so he has to empower himself. He has got to get his hands on money and political power. Most of all, he needs knowledge.

It’s not race. It is an economic and political situation.

Noted author Taylor Branch (“Pillar of Fire, etc.) makes the point that Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. became the new founding father for the nation. Rosa Parks opened the door, but he had to rise up, go to the frontline and carry the load.

As a result, Sen. Obama is standing on stage. He is a product. He must know that Dr. King said the first thing we are going to have to do to get anywhere is squeeze slavery out of ourselves. He must know that Dr. King acknowledged that he had not completed that process.

And so we struggle on with a “continuing past” that has people on both sides of the so-called black-white divide wearing deeply engrained frowns every Fourth of July. African American males are frontline pushers of this mindset because they feel like they’ve never gotten justice.

The time is here to take a substantive look at the nature of America. We need to tell the truth: slavery still lives.

Solving slavery is a national need. Empowered African Americans are in a unique position to stop war all over the world because there is no basis for distrusting African Americans anywhere in the world. We’ve not been out on any colonial endeavors no matter how you slice it.

It’s time to play this card.

atement is derived from the Tri-state Defender. I concur with this:



sun.goddess

1/27/08, 14:09:pm

It took the European American man to bring this nation into being. He was the one out front in terms of economics and other fundamentals. Today – given the way the nation and the world has unfolded – the European American man has the least amount of leverage to take the country (and the world) forward.

Taking into account this country’s peculiar history with slavery, the African American male is the person with the most leverage for fundamental change and progress.

This line of thought brings Sen. Obama front and center. He is in position to stimulate phenomenal change, notwithstanding that he needs more information to take advantage of the opportunity.

All over the world, men are moving in or toward battle. The United States is caught up in this world wind and the nation is tilting. The African American man has got to show up eventually if the nation is to ever right itself.

The African American man is the real blood-and-guts backbone of hard work in this nation and he is in a mess and he is going to stay there until he straightens it out. His messy predicament and the essential threat to the nation are intertwined.

The threat from which the African American male must save the nation is in the fact that so many young African American boys have no where to go but into gangs. This reality is growing everyday despite minor ebbs in the reported numbers.

This problem may look small to some in the face of the unease about a recession, scary health-care costs, global terrorism, the foreclosure crisis and the war in Iraq. It is, however, not small. In fact, it is quite the contrary and the possibility of a level of domestic warfare much more *****ounced than what we are experiencing now is frightfully real.

Right now, there is no force of African-American men to even be around their boys. That is the legacy that slavery left. There is no tool other than to incarcerate these boys and locking them up is not going to stop what essentially is guerilla warfare. These young boys are not scared of jail.

If these young men are not given a sound platform for being who they are essentially as humans and for mining their natural creativity, they are going to wreck the nation from within.

There is a subliminal surge that has powered Obama to the front; a subliminal recognition that the African American man needs to be at the table. We’ve never been at the table in a primary way since we have been in this country.

African American boys don’t have a precedent to teach them how to be at the table. So not only does the African American man need to rise, he needs to rise with knowledge.

Look at the recent mayoral election in Memphis. It left a gash deeper in Memphis that many seem to want to acknowledge. The in*****bent had to go “black power” to combat the forces against him. No matter what the in*****bent says from this point forward, it is unlikely that he can bridge the divide.

African Americans who do get into office do not have the tools they need to do anything substantive about economics and business and the internal threat outlined here.

And so we are faced with a choice on Feb. 5. We must choose a candidate best situated to maneuver within and grow outside of the status quo of slavery. This newspaper takes the position that Sen. Obama is that person. Vote for him and demand accountability from him.

This accountability must be in the context of Ellison, Wright, W.E.B. Dubois, Marcus Garvey, Booker T. Washington and others who heretofore have not been considered in our choices.

Many who read this endorsement will no doubt argue that it is being made on the basis of race. Each and everyone one who take this position are wrong. It doesn’t have anything to do with race. It has everything to do with the condition of slavery.

America has nothing to empower the African-American man, so he has to empower himself. He has got to get his hands on money and political power. Most of all, he needs knowledge.

It’s not race. It is an economic and political situation.

Noted author Taylor Branch (“Pillar of Fire, etc.) makes the point that Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. became the new founding father for the nation. Rosa Parks opened the door, but he had to rise up, go to the frontline and carry the load.

As a result, Sen. Obama is standing on stage. He is a product. He must know that Dr. King said the first thing we are going to have to do to get anywhere is squeeze slavery out of ourselves. He must know that Dr. King acknowledged that he had not completed that process.

And so we struggle on with a “continuing past” that has people on both sides of the so-called black-white divide wearing deeply engrained frowns every Fourth of July. African American males are frontline pushers of this mindset because they feel like they’ve never gotten justice.

The time is here to take a substantive look at the nature of America. We need to tell the truth: slavery still lives.

Solving slavery is a national need. Empowered African Americans are in a unique position to stop war all over the world because there is no basis for distrusting African Americans anywhere in the world. We’ve not been out on any colonial endeavors no matter how you slice it.

It’s time to play this card.



@nahnah

1/27/08, 14:13:pm

@nahnah

Not desperate but not very fond of people who don’t seem to stand for anything.

_____________

How do you know I don’t stand for anything? Your *****umptions are based on pure ignorance, since you don’t know me, and have no idea what I have or am currently doing in my life.

In fact, I think the best way to protest this ‘outright corrupt’ system is to vote against it. I REFUSE to cave into that “the lesser of two evil” mentality. Because evil is evil. And evil leads to unemployment, high rate of foreclosures, illegal, senseless and criminal wars…

Also, any person with half of a working brain can easily research the records of all candidates and see the little difference between them. So, if my conviction is to put someone in the white house based on my principles, then why should I vote for those who are AGAINST my principles? How about we demand more from our leaders of this country, instead of accepting whatever comes out their mouths? Afterall, this is what the constitution, minus the fact that a bunch of slave-holding racists wrote it, grants us as citizens of the United States of America.

And it’s a cop-out and utterly dangerous mentality to say we simply have to ‘live with’ the vote frauds and senseless wars – especially when you’re obviously putting the American system above others. At least “the others’ stand up to their governments and protest vote fraud. Just look at the Ukraine in 2005, and Haiti in 2005, and even Kenyans, Georgians, and Paraquayans today. Those people stood and continue to stand up to against their government’s evil ways – while Americans continue to remain blind, stupid, and ignorant. We will continue to be inundated with the utmost propaganda, because we like it very very much…

With that said: ***** Hilary, and ***** Obama.

And Edwards. And McCain. And Guiliani. And every other potential candidate out there…

_____________________________________________________

Aside from coming to bossip and preaching to the choir what else are you doing?

Are you a radical anarchist? You sound like one.



jayjay

1/27/08, 14:14:pm

“Hillary Clinton while very intelligent, lacks the finesse and character to convince across the aisle (Republicans) to supoport her plans.”

Senator Clinton has a history of working with Republicans to p***** legislation. That’s the one quality of hers that even those in the Republican Party who despise her give her credit.



tiray

1/27/08, 14:14:pm

kiki…

the black vote tarnishes the candidate , only in your eyes…

When and only when blacks STOP considering themselves minorities,will we see that!

think

obama 08

http://www.blackwiz.biz



@nahnah

1/27/08, 14:18:pm

I’m interested in knowing what you propose we do abou the system.

You seem to have a very outsider stance to all of this, it’d be interesting to know what you actually stand for, in terms of what actions you think should be taken to rail against the system as you suggest we all do.



nahnah

1/27/08, 14:21:pm

Carol-Mosley-Braun did not have a lot of supporters for many reasons.

1. The media did not hype her up like they did, and are continuing to do with Obama.

2. She, like Obama, is a true progressive, and the media hate true progressives.

3. She did not have the fire in her belly like Obama does – which makes him more visible.

4. She was not a favorite amongst white people.

5. She did not have the financial back up like Obama does, which made it very difficult for her.



llop

1/27/08, 14:24:pm

DO YALL CARE ABOUT MAKING HISTORY OR SECURING AMERICA’S FUTURE. ITS EITHER, OR BUT IT CANT BE BOTH



nahnah

1/27/08, 14:26:pm

tiray:

If that’s the case, then we’re never going to agree. While I have a legitimate concern for the state of black people, in no way will I support a person simply for the color of their skin.

I hate Condoleeza Rice, and I would rather die than to see her run this country.



nahnah

1/27/08, 14:26:pm

llop

DO YALL CARE ABOUT MAKING HISTORY OR SECURING AMERICA’S FUTURE. ITS EITHER, OR BUT IT CANT BE BOTH

_____________________________

THANK YOU!



llop

1/27/08, 14:27:pm

I LOVE EDWARDS, BUT THE MEDIA HAS TURNED THIS INTO A HISTORY MAKING ELECTION, THE SHUT HIM OUT. HOW CAN HE SHINE WHEN AMERICA IS ON THE VERGE OF HAVING THE FIRST BLACK OR FIRST WOMEN PRESIDENT. EDWARDS HAS THE MOST SENSE BUT HE CANT OVERCOME THE POPULARITY OF THIS ELECTION. EDWARDS AND HILLARY WILL DO WONDERS FOR THIS COUNTRY. I LIKE OBAMA BUT IS JUST NOT HIS TIME. AMERICA IS SO FAR IN THE RED I TRUST HILLARY OR EDWARDS TO GET US BACK TO NORMAL, THEN I WOULD VOTE OBAMA ANYDAY, BUT NOW IS NOT HIS TIME



tiray

1/27/08, 14:31:pm

Rosie!

We didn’t know aby Regan…I’m talking blacksand the blacks that votes republican.Regan ytook care of Cali,but his agenda wasn’t as clear as you say. He didn’t say anything abt the cold-war. He only talked abt starwars while IN office. HIS AGENDA WAS THAT OF A STONCH REPUBLICAN.

THE BUSHES

we didn’t know anything abt them. And if you’re from Cali like me,you didn’t know that George bush was resonsible for killing more inmates on death-rloe(quilty or not) in the history of america.

He was a CLEAN-UP MAN….

Rosie…

Black or white. In politics you have to make a BUZZ around you so people that think they know,but don’t know will slant your way.That’s why the blak lady didn’t have a chance…that and funds needed!

it’s all abt the buz,because the REAL political machine is stronger than any candidate.

Ask any of the Kennedys.

think

http://www.blackwiz.biz



James

1/27/08, 14:35:pm

Ron Paul would be an excellent candidate for President. However, his ideas and goals are unrealistic, not even fathomable in a Utopian world. I agree with some of his ideas, but i must add, his plans for America are far-fetched, too good to be true, something that most individuals with a one dimensional mind are unable unable to transcribe. As for the so-called squabbling between the Clinton’s and Mr.Obama, it will be interesting to see how the whole race unfolds in the upcoming weeks. I can’t wait to see who will be chosen as the next leader of the “free world”. As far as Hilary Clinton is concerned, the question at hand is a very simple one. Who is funding Hilary’s campaign? that same question applies for Mr. Obama as well. Make no doubt about it, there is a reason why special interest groups fund candidates, their name alone is self explanatory. As i look through these candidates, the only candidate that appeals to me and my concerns is John Edwards,but let us be serious, he will never put foot on the white house lawn. As far as the republican candidates, Mike Huckabe (name is spelt wrong) seems very sincere, but then again, so does all politicians, he is the only republican that strikes me as genuine. As for Mr. Juliani, his presidential bid has been doomed from the get-go, therefore shame face is the only thing that is keeping him from throwing in the towel and calling it quits. In my opinion, in the kind words of David Rockefeller, “We are grateful to the Washington Post, the New York Times, Time Magazine and other great publications whose directors have attended our meetings and respected their promises of discretion for almost forty years. It would have been impossible for us to develop our plan for the world if we had been subjected to the light of publicity during those years. But now the world is more sophisticated and prepared to march towards a world government. The supra-national sovereignty of an intellectual elite and world bankers is surely preferable to the national auto-determination practiced in past centuries.” However you slice the pie, you are playing a game that is rigged, therefore, I salute all the candidates and my fellow Americans that believe in democracy. keep hope alive, and when you cast your electronic votes on the diebold machines, select your leader of choice with confidence.



llop

1/27/08, 14:39:pm

^^^^REPUBLICANS ARE FUNDING OBAMA TO SPLIT MINORITY VOTES, BECAUSE REP. KNOW THAT NONE OF THEM CAN BEAT HILARY, SO THEY ARE SMART ENOGHT TO FUND OBAMA TO TRY TO HURT HILLARY CHANCES



@James

1/27/08, 14:39:pm

The sky is falling, the sky is falling.



nahnah

1/27/08, 14:40:pm

@nahnah

What is so anarchist about urging the American people to demand more from our leaders?

I wrote a whole novel regarding what I stand for. I eleborated on the need for Americans to stand up to selfish government, because government is hired by ‘we the people’ to work for ‘we the people’.

Fortunately for us, we have the constitutional power to demand an end to vote fraud and illegal wars. But if we continue to remain silent on these issues that matter, we will utimately self-destruct.

I’m all for a black president, but I REFUSE to praise a president who vote neo-con while mascarading as a progressive. I will NOT jump on the Obama bandwagon, and will continue to speak out against his phoniness.

4 years ago, I rallied for Kerry. I stood around and helped thousands of people register to vote, simply because I was destined to do my part and remove Bush out of the White House. But, he stole the election, while the American people stood by and did nothing, with the help of the corporate media. And after that, 2006 midterm elections came, where the Democrats ran on the platform of bringing the troops home, and I gave them a chance, even after a good majority of them voted FOR the war…But after a while, they just proved themselves to be clones of the neo-cons.

So, my dear, I will NOT blindly support a candidate because the corporate media hype him up.



tiray

1/27/08, 14:43:pm

James!

Thanks you. He looked like a child at the debates.In these times, people are adament abt global rule-OUTRIGHT!

THINK

http://WWW.BLACKWIZ.BIZ



Ron Paul

1/27/08, 14:48:pm

nahnah

lovely and amazing,

In the name of the lord – ***** YOU. In the name of jesus, stop riding my *****ty ***** *****, boo.

If you want to have a legitimate debate with me, then let’s roll. But if you want to keep using my name in vain, then I tell you to go ***** yourself, in the name of jesus.

———————————————————————————————————————————–

Kudos,from one fellow Scientologist to another.

I love you NahNah!

I especially loved it when you put LandA in her place.



tiray

1/27/08, 14:53:pm

NAHNAH

COME ON NOW….you can’t be serious! Ofcourse you know we can do both. I’m expecting more from you! Don’t make statements like that.You’re too grown to say that.

NAH-NAH

Even you know that Obama’s made history already. That’s really not THE goal here…but my people need to see this history,so he won’t be the only one.

He’s as important to WORLD RELATIONS AS HE IS TO BLACKS.

think

http://www.blackwiz.biz



tiray

1/27/08, 15:04:pm

NAhNAH…

I was reading a post of yours and it was kinda off–base in an innocent sort of way.

This same gov. that does wrong by too many americans IS the same gov. that lety’s us speak on this forums freely, live in our *****ious cribsdrive our hummer’s and make millions off inventionslike the “pet rock”–lol!

SO as we are SO busy flexing our politcal freedom of speech-SPEECHES…remember that the people that were elected pryor to Obama made it possible. even the ones we hate!

think

http://www.blackwiz.biz



llop

1/27/08, 15:08:pm

^^^^^^you living in a fantasy world



@Nanah

1/27/08, 15:27:pm

At what point did I say we shouldn’t demand more from our leaders? And at what point did I say you have to vote for Barack Obama?

I thought you were a radical anarchist because you seem to seek doing away with the system in it’s entirety which is a tenet of radical anarchism. I was wrong?

No one’s trying to make you vote Black Nanah. We get it. You are a unique Black thinker and you aren’t going to group with the “rest of us Black folks” who are all voting because Barack is black even though we don’t know a thing about his agenda.

However you supported Kerry. Interesting. You know, I don’t believe Kerry lost due to voting fraud. Not to say voting fraud doesn’t exist and our elections aren’t rigged, Gore’s loss has made it obvious that our elections are definitely fixed, however, some really don’t need fixing and Kerry’s loss is one of them.

I also agree that the Dems haven’t done much to end the war in Iraq, but I also think that has a lot to do with the American public and it’s ambivalence toward ending the war. I think a lot of Americans pay lips service to wanting to end the war, but at the same time want to maintain Superpower status on the world’s stage.

Look around. Do you see huge anti-war marches pushing for an end to the war? No. Were Americans really that angry that when the Dems didn’t follow through with a pull out? No. I think that the ambivalence of the Amerian public is part of what’s keeping us there and until that changes we will continue to be in Iraq and go on to invade Iran and then Syria which has been the plan from the beginning. Bush and Co. orchestrated 9/11 in order to set the agenda and unfortunately their plan worked really well. Until what’s going on in Iraq begins to effect our soil in a very direct way, citizens of the U.S. aren’t going to sound the alarm.

What is affecting Americans is globalization. The reason Obama has support is because of his focus on middle cl***** issues. His plan is reduce taxes on the middle cl*****, increase taxes on the rich, reform credit card laws, create tariffs beneficial to American businesses, etc. speak directly to what middle America wants and needs to hear. Can he do all this? I’m sure he’ll try, but it will be up to the American public to make sure he sticks to it.

The war isn’t on anyone’s agenda really, money is.



sun.goddess

1/27/08, 15:32:pm

Yes. I am a supporter of Barack Obama. I had and will continue to work for his campaign of change that we can believe in in Memphis. I urge you all to not just share your dismay or pleasure for politics-GET INVOLVED! Find out the issues, and stand up for them! Hold your politicians ACCOUNTABLE. Do not just post on blogs-be active.



SHAY

1/27/08, 15:34:pm

OBAMAH O8..He beat the brakes off of Hillary..I’m so excited and proud that everyone got out and utilized their right to vote..Black, White, and everyone in-between, this is an exciting time…GO BARAK GO!! YES!



sun.goddess

1/27/08, 15:40:pm

If you want to know EXACTLY where Mr. Obama stands on the issues, visit http://www.BarackObama.com. Visit HillaryClinton.com to see her stance. Do the same for each canditate before making unfounded accusations.



Douglas Griffin

1/27/08, 15:44:pm

I would have to agree with talk show host Ryan B of Urban Media Broadcasting Networks http://www.umbn.net host of the Water Cooler Moment. As pro black as he is this is the first time as a white man i would agree with him. quoting ” Well we must show our congratulation to Obama, but the real question here is will white America fool him in the end. Republican have been known to deal this way. I think Obama is a great HOPE to America people both white and black. However we should not be voting for people just because of color or they preach a great message of hope. I don’t believe white America is ready for a black president. this is another trick of the Republican party. Blacks will lose hope for another 20 years if Obama was defeated in a General Election. You have to ask whites are the willing to share two things: WEALTH and POWER”. As a white man I believe this was the best statement ever made by Ryan B which I never agree with anything he say. I voted for Obama because I hate the Clinton’s but i wouldn’t Dare Support him in a General Election and he is by far the easiest to beat. He has no white House Experience or Washington DC exp. He’s spent his 3 years in Washington trying to run for President. We will have a Republican for at least 4 more years. As bad as I hate to agree with this black race baiting media w***** Ryan B. I be damn if I’m willing to share anything with a group of *****s especially Wealth or Power. My parent work hard for us to have what we have and we shouldn’t have to share with people from africa



TouTou

1/27/08, 15:47:pm

my black people wake up. Only black people say i don’t want to support a candidate just because he is black. Please, everyone does it. Asian do it, they support their own. Let’s not even talk about Jewish but we have been brainwashed to feel we don’t just support a black person because he/she is black. I am supporting Barack because he is a very smart man and he is black. There are blacks i wouldn’t vote for because they are incompetent. There’s more but i will just leave it at that…..cheers



tiray

1/27/08, 16:00:pm

Dearest Doudie Douglas griffin

You don’t / won’t have a choice to share the power with us black folk…( don’t use the word *****s’even in jest,or we’ll just have to take our aggressions out on the next whitey we see…..real talk!

we also know that alot of white knuckle-heads willlk try to act up! trustme, we’re ready for that *****!

you’re probably a black guy. IN that case,hey, but if you’re white.

there’s nothing to fear ,but the strong black man that doesn’t work for you. lol!

(i love this so damn much)

think

http://www.my*****e.com/tirayk



@Douglas

1/27/08, 16:08:pm

Barack won’t be the front runner. Latinos in Florida will propell the Clinton campaign and from there the rest of the public will chose her on Super Tuesday.

Why not vote for John Edwards if you want a White man to maintain power? Isn’t Edwards a White man, I’m confused.



nahnah

1/27/08, 16:15:pm

Tiray,

I know it’s hard to believe, but you are not a slave. You are free, huny. You’ve been free for sometime now. Even so, speaking is an innate right, so there’s no need for thanking your masters for “allowig” you to speak.

And you wonder why we can’t see eye to eye?



nahnah

1/27/08, 16:21:pm

@nahnah:

You’re obviously a frequent poster on this thread, since you had to retype my name and mispelled it.

But just know it’s ok to disagree with me, regardless of who you are. And there’s no need to hide behind another name…

Anyway, I disagree with you that the war in Iraq isn’t on the American people agenda. The media does a great job playing with our minds, and diverge focus from issues such as the war.

Also, as an antiwar activist who’s parti*****ted in many protests, I know for a fact that the media does not broadcast the vast majority of antiwar protests.



Fierce Chili

1/27/08, 16:22:pm

Obama ‘08!

Hillary Clinton, You Are the Weakest Link.



tiray

1/27/08, 16:22:pm

LOL—TOO FUNNY….

aCTUALLY…DID U KNOW ABT THAT OLE–VOTER’S RIGHT ACT?

did you know that blacks weren

t legally allowed to votE up until like….GULP,LAST YR.? tHAT’S RIGHT KE-MO-SO-BI–GOOGLE IT!

sO, IF IT WEREN’T FOR “SOME-PEOPLE THAT YOU DON’T WANT TO ADMONISH—WHITETY-actually would be master!

until the voter’s rights act was admonished—WE WEREN’T FREE BABE! real talk.

lol!

think

http://www.blackwiz.biz



rosie

1/27/08, 16:27:pm

The interesting Super Tuesday outcome might not be who wins CA, but who wins the Midwest and Civil War-era “border” states. If Hillary wins the big coastal states that traditionally vote Democrat anyway, but Obama wins the swing states, then Democrats face a quandary. California and New York may be key to the nomination, but the swing states are key to the general election. And I don’t think Hillary Clinton can win in the swing states (PA, CO)…and she will have a tough time in the Midwestern/Rust Belt “blue” states.

Given his performance in SC, and head-to-head polling data against GOP candidates, Obama gives the Dems the best chance to win in November.



tiray

1/27/08, 16:30:pm

^^^^true that rosie

think



coop

1/27/08, 16:43:pm

________________________________________________________________________________________

@rosie

What don’t seem to understand is that in 1964, Barry Goldwater became the first Republican to win the state since Reconstruction. Since then, South Carolina has voted for a Republican in every presidential election from 1964 to 2004, with the exception of 1976 when Jimmy Carter, from neighboring Georgia, won the state over Gerald Ford. George W. Bush won the state in 2004 with 58% of the statewide vote over Senator John Kerry. Republicans now control the governorate, eight of nine statewide offices, both houses of legislature, both U.S. Senators, and four of six members of the U.S. House of Representatives. Knowledge of history helps people make better political choices.



Mahogany Elle

1/27/08, 16:46:pm

It is truly a great day in America. Although I think the crowd’s chant of “race doesn’t matter!!” is more aspirational that reality (Abner Louima anyone?), I agree that the voters — across all spectrums in SC — could see through the Clinton machine and vote for someone with real p*****ion, purpose and background that’s not hampered by special interests. I love it. Black, brown and white people all united!!

PS Bossip, y’all are wrong for the “chitlin puppet” comment. But I nearly perished laughing. I think we need a Bossip roundtable on CNN or something. Lol



lovely and amazing

1/27/08, 16:50:pm

@ Rosie

I think an Obama/Gore ticket would certainly be be a movement for change. Gore has loosened up and has brought about a lot of awareness and change in his own right. Obama/Gore, a visionary pair I think. But Gore has said he will not run for president, I don’t know how he’ll feel about VP.

@ Nah Nah

I will not be manipulated into arguing with you dear. You have already been corrected. You are a sad and mean individual whom many on this board have responded to either in earnest, disbelief, anger, or dismissiveness. I asked, like others have, what exactly your views are since you state to not agree with any of the candidates.

OBAMA is very much a threat moreso because of his bipartsan influence and appeal. I believe you are a plant based on your being contrary and insulting without any basis. May God help your soul to heal.

@ Obama Supporters

Keep Keep Keeping on!

OBAMA is needed and he is wonderful. He is a strong, proud and universally concerned biracial black man, a faithful husband, a devoted father, a tireless community organizer, and a qualified, prepared, capable, and dignified Presidential Candidate.

OBAMA 2008!



Nita

1/27/08, 17:03:pm

Ted Kennedy just endorsed Obama, over STRONG objections and phone calls from the Clinton side. According to the Boston Globe: “Kennedy plans to campaign actively for Obama, an aide said, and will focus particularly among Hispanics and labor union members, who are important voting blocks in several Feb. 5 states, including California, New York, New Jersey, Arizona and New Mexico…..The Clinton campaign launched a last-ditch effort over the last few days to stop Kennedy’s move, orchestrating a flood of phone calls to Kennedy from sources ranging from union chiefs to his M*****achusetts constituents…..The former president also called Kennedy in a vain attempt to keep him out of the race, a source familiar with the conversation said.”

I don’t know what this means. Sounds like a replay of what happened with the Kerry endorsement, with Bill trying his damndest to get Kerry to endorse Hillary, and Kerry saying ‘no’.

Meanwhile, Joe Lieberman the Democrat/Independent In Name Only has been endorsing John McCain and made some boneheaded remarks about Tehran Iran (he said Al Queda is headquartered there). McCain obviously wants war. A lot of war. Joe Lieberman wants to help him get into those wars.

I know exactly what that means: DONT VOTE FOR MCCAIN, PEOPLE. Everybody who’s gotten scary vibes from McCain because all he talks about is war, war, war — YOU WERE RIGHT. Word on the street is that Lieberman wants the vice-presiency.



coop

1/27/08, 17:05:pm

__________________________________________________________________________________

@rosie

Neither Hilary or Obama can win the general election. Hilary because some just don’t like her even though she would look out for many of everyday man’s best entrust. An if people are worried the “Clinton Racism” (which is make believe) they don’t want to see what the republicans would do to Obama. Just look what the republicans did to Harold Ford Jr. when he ran for senator in Tennessee in 2006. The tactics the republicans will use in a general election will bring out enough back woods rednecks to carry their normal states. That is why I feel Edwards has the best chance in a general election.



James

1/27/08, 17:16:pm

@ nahnah

you are extremely intelligent! kudos kudos!

May God continue to bless you!



Josie

1/27/08, 17:27:pm

You people are so busy talking about black and white, I hope you realize how really bad America has it right now on the world market. I American and I live in Germany, when I came to Germany in 2000 the Euro had just hit the market it was:

Year 2000 $1.00US= .80euro cents

Year 2007 1.00 euro= $1.46 US Dollar

1.00 British pound= $1.98US

God forbid if OPEC has it’s way as most of them want to and change the official currency from US dollars to Euros,if not for Saudia Arabia this would have been done already.

Wake up people pick a president based on what they can do to lift the US economy out of the toilet, not on who said what about whom. We all know that’s politics and they will all air each others’ dirty laundry. None of them are saints and they both will lie.



lingatru

1/27/08, 17:31:pm

Obama has some taint, not as much as the others but he hasn’t been around as long. He is human, and doesn’t walk on water. Much of Hillary’s is from the almighty health insurance, and medical providers industries, they got to the both of them. Do a little research into Michelle’s paychecks, considering she had no experience to back the job, I’d say her employers had an agenda.

It doesn’t make him a bad guy, but we do want him to be human right?

What’s with the hostile bull*****? If someone isn’t thrilled about any of these people and wants to discuss they become a plant? Get real. Are any of the people running that *****ing great? If we’re talking about it, it’s all good.



tj

1/27/08, 17:32:pm

You know there’s a lot of back and forth going on here. At the end of the day the fact still remains that BARACK OBAMA at this point in the race has recieved more votes than any other candidate in American history. Point blank period. Barack Obama is not your savior he is not going to get pooky out of jail, or make Jamal get his GED. He IS howver going to be the best president the world has ever seen. I resent blacks who vote for Obama just because he is black, but I am adamantly encouraged by blacks who vote for Obama because he is the best candidate. HE IS THE BEST CANDIDATE! The viability of his candidacy is lost when people bring up his race as a negative… or a positive. Barack and Hillary are indeed similiar. The problem for hillary is that she’s Hillary. She is divisive, she is *****ociated with or privy to manipulative and demonizing politics that have crippled the nation and for that matter the economy for umpteen years now. It’s time to turn the page. The Clintons have negotiated and invested in a politic that pits democrat against republican. It’s politics. These politicians (republican and democrat) do not hate each other yet in the past 20 years they’ve been eating off the idea that they are adversaries. Don’t be fooled. If we are REALLY going to get universal health care then we are going to have to work together. If we are going to handle terrorism and promote good will then we are going to have to work together. Hillary can not do that.

To an intelligized and informed voter Hillary’s candidacy in an election about Change and unity is laughable. She knows this. Her only option is to cripple the Rockstar candidate she’s up against and she has done so by playing on the racist ideals of yester year. I choose to believe the Democratic party is better than that. If it is not then I can no longer in good conscience consider myself a part of it. I choose to believe that America is “America” despite it’s faults i believe in it’s glories. I choose to believe that we can address our rifts with the muslim land appropriately, niether taking military action off the table nor shaking our fists. I choose to believe in an America where people, hard working people, don’t have to choose between food and medication. I choose to believe in an America where we can come to together democrat and Republican and address our problems responsibility and put the division of the 90’s behind us. We have been hating the republicans for 20 years because the clintons told us too. I beleive we can come together now over Obama. I beleive we CAN!

Yes we can!

Obama 08′



Nita

1/27/08, 17:34:pm

@ Douglas Griffin, I appreciate the perspective you brought in here from urban media broadcasting. And I’ll be honest, if Obama’s movement had risen from black folks, yes I’d be even more worried. The Democrat Party leadership intentionally suckerpunched Jesse Jackson in 1984 and 1988 and that will always hurt. But OBAMA’S MOVEMENT HIS STRONGEST SUPPORT IS AND HAS ALWAYS BEEN WHITES. Black folk are johnny come latelies, as a group. That’s the main reason Obama can’t be categorized as the ‘black candidate’. I, too, used to believe that there was a dangerous game afoot. I still believe it. But what I also believe is that Obama took the game and turned it on its head. He is outperforming like a mf’er. That is not all Republicans voting for Obama out of hate for Hillary (though some of it is). They’ve got their own issues to deal with. Even when Obama ‘loses’, he still wins. I honestly believe that he only ‘lost’ New Hampshire and Nevada because of shenanigans by the Clintons. We’ll see if anyone claims that there was shenanigans in South Carolina. It’s very possible. But we’ll see.

Last night, Obama was only expected to get 8 or 10 percent total of the white vote — he got 24% total, and 50% of post-Civil Rights generation whites. Bill Clinton lost his mind. Unfortunately, Obama posted last with every other group (starting with those who experienced the first wave of integration and older), but so what. If white Democrats — particularly Hillary’s age and older — are going to avoid voting for him because of the color of his skin and what’s between his legs, the Democrats need to deal with that and need to deal with stopping demonizing Republicans as the racist party. It’s a new day, Douglas. The youth are going to be here when the old segregationists and post-segregationists are dead and buried. That’s cause for hope and joy.

There are people who have heard him speak and debate, and they don’t care if he stutters. They believe in him and are invested in him. The youth never vote reliably. Independents can go either way. Blacks ***ignored and dismissed*** Obama until Iowa. Doesn’t matter. We gotta stop worrying about what white folks are gonna do. Vote for Obama or don’t vote for him because of his politics. We need to move beyond trying to play chess games with white folks…. because we will NEVER win, when we are always reacting, instead of being proactive.

I heard Obama was behind in every Super Tuesday state. I live in a state which is ‘guaranteed’ for Hillary Clinton, and having read our daily papers out here I believe it because of how the propaganda has been coming at folks for months, if not years. I don’t care. I’m gonna take a chance.

If the Democratic party pulls the rug out from under Obama, that is not on white folks. That’s on the Democratic party…. and everybody should be wary of giving support to a party which would do that to one of its own.



jayjay

1/27/08, 17:37:pm

Lingatru – The press hasn’t even started on Senator Obama yet. Just wait. They are holding back because they want to cover a tight race.

Josie – I agree with most of what you wrote. The economy is a big problem, and spending our way out of it is the same reason why the economy is in such bad shape. Too much debt. Also, the petrodollars are already being invested into other *****ets not denominated in US dollars.



Fierce Chili

1/27/08, 17:39:pm

@ nita “If the Democratic party pulls the rug out from under Obama, that is not on white folks. That’s on the Democratic party…. and everybody should be wary of giving support to a party which would do that to one of its own.”

Agreed!



lingatru

1/27/08, 17:40:pm

I believe Obama deserves a p***** on the Reagan comment. Obviously, he can’t say too many good things about Bill Clinton. He mentioned that he sometimes wonders which one he’s running against, I think he was trying to play it safe and it just didn’t go over well.



tj

1/27/08, 17:40:pm

To lingatru:

If you are truly interested in Michelle Obama’s character I encourage you to investigate further. You will see that this talented African American woman with a Princeton degree and Harvard JD could make the type of money in corporate America that would raise your blood pressure. She has chosen. Again she has CHOSEN to lead a life of respectable public service. The experience Hillary proclaims is the life Mrs. Obama has lived. There is no desire in the Obama camp to make money this is not their drive. The have devoted their lives to public service and have behaved accordingly. Your attempt to marginalize them as corrupt and money hungry is unfounded and fairly less indicative of their character than your own.



QBEve

1/27/08, 17:42:pm

The following is a list of dead people connected with Bill and Hillary Clinton :

1-James McDougal Clinton’s convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in Ken Starr’s investigation.

2-Mary Mahoney Former White House intern was murdered July 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown. The murder happened just after she was to go public with her story of sexual har*****ment in the White House.

3-Vince Foster Former White House councelor, and colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock’s Rose law firm. Died of a gunshot wound to the head, ruled a suicide.

4-Ron Brown Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investi-gation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown’s skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors.

5-C. Victor Raiser II – & – Montgomery Raiser Major players in the Clinton fund raising organization died in a private plane crash in July 1992.

6-Paul Tulley Democratic National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock, September 1992. Described by Clinton as a “Dear friend and trusted advisor”.

7-Ed Willey Clinton fund raiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the woods in Virginia of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.

8-Jerry Parks Head of Clinton’s gubernatorial security team in Little Rock. Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock. Park’s son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton. He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house.

9-James Bunch Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had a “Black Book” of people containing names of influential people who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas.

10-James Wilson Was found dead in May 1993 from an apparent hanging suicide. He was reported to have ties to Whitewater.

11-Kathy Ferguson Ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson died in May 1994 was found dead in her living room with a gunshot to her head. It was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if she was going somewhere.

12-Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit. Kathy Ferguson was a possible corroborating witness for Paula Jones.

13-Bill Shelton Arkansas State Trooper and fiancee of Kathy Ferguson. Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancee, he was found dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the gravesite of his fiancee.

14-Gandy Baugh Attorney for Clinton friend Dan L*****ater died by jumping out a window of a tall building January, 1994. His client was a convicted drug distributor.

15-Florence Martin Accountant sub-contractor for the CIA related to the Barry Seal Mena Airport drug smuggling case. Died of three gunshot wounds.

16-Suzanne Coleman Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General. Died of a gunshot wound to the back of the head, ruled a suicide. Was pregnant at the time of her death.

17-Paula Grober Clinton’s speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death December 9, 1992. She died in a one car accident.

18-Danny Casolaro Investigative reporter. Investigating Mena Airport and Arkansas Development Finance Authority. He slit his wrists, apparent suicide in the middle of his investigation.

19-Paul Wilcher Attorney investigating corruption at Mena Airport with Casolaro and the 1980 “October Surprise” was found dead on a toilet June 22, 1993 in his Washington DC apartment. Had delivered a report to Janet Reno 3 weeks before his death.

20-Jon Parnell Walker Whitewater investigator for Resolution Trust Corp. Jumped to his death from his Arlington, Virginia apartment balcony August 15, 1993 Was investigating Morgan Guarantee scandal.

21-Barbara Wise Commerce Department staffer. Worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang. Cause of death unknown. Died November 29, 1996. Her bruised nude body was found locked in her office at the Department of Commerce.

22-Charles Meissner *****istant Secretary of Commerce who gave John Huang special security clearance, died shortly thereafter in a small plane crash.

23-Dr. Stanley Heard Chairman of the National Chiropractic Health Care Advisory Committee died with his attorney Steve *****son in a small plane crash. Dr. Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton’s advisory council personally treated Clinton’s mother, stepfather and brother.

24-Barry Seal Drug running pilot out of Mena Arkansas, Death was no accident.

25-Johnny Lawhorn Jr. Mechanic, found a check made out to Clinton in the trunk of a car left in his repair shop. Died when his car hit a utility pole.

26-Stanley Huggins Suicide. Investigated Madison Guarantee. His report was never released.

27-Hershell Friday Attorney and Clinton fund raiser died March 1, 1994 when his plane exploded.

28/29-Kevin Ives & Don Henry Known as “The boys on the track” case. Reports say the boys may have stumbled upon the Mena Arkansas airport drug operation. Controversial case where initial report of death was due to falling asleep on railroad track. Later reports claim the 2 boys had been slain before being placed on the tracks. Many linked to the case died before their testimony could come before a Grand Jury.

The Following Six Person had Information on the Ives/Henry Case

30-Keith Coney Died when his motorcycle slammed into the back of a truck July, 1988.

31-Keith McMaskle Died, stabbed 113 times, Nov, 1988

32-Gregory Collins Died from a gunshot wound January 1989.

33-Jeff Rhodes He was shot, mutilated and found burned in a trash dump in April 1989.

34-James Milan Found decapitated. Coroner ruled death due to natural causes.

35-Jordan Kettleson Was found shot to death in the front seat of his pickup truck in June 1990.

36-Richard Winters Was a suspect in the Ives / Henry deaths. Was killed in a set-up robbery July 1989

The Following Clinton Bodyguards are Dead

37-Major William S. Barkley Jr.

38-Captain Scott J. Reynolds

39-Sgt. Brian Hanley

40-Sgt. Tim Sabel

41-Major General William Robertson

42-Col. William Densberger

43-Col. Robert Kelly

44-Spec. Gary Rhodes

45-Steve Willis

46-Robert Williams

47-Conway LeBleu

48-Todd McKeehan

The last time I checked, this is the President that was the “closest to a Black President” we were ever going to get…the last time I checked…Obama was never linked to murders! Please do your homework people! This is why Ken Star has been after the Clinton’s with a vengence! “Keep your friends close and your enemies closer”-this is why the Republicans and others who know about these sleaze bags have been upset and up in arms about!!!! WAKE UP BLACK FOLKS!



Nita

1/27/08, 17:44:pm

@Josie, so how would you improve the dollar? I have no idea, myself. I couldn’t begin to. I’m reading the ‘gold versus currency’ debate here and I don’t know what to think, though I’ve learned some things. I don’t know how deep ***** is for America, how much of that has to do with the War, how much of that has to do with China being kind enough to keep our ***** afloat, how much of that has to do with the housing nightmare ….. i don’t know how to get out of that mess, that’s why we hold elections.

But you raise a good point, and a sobering point. thank you. What are you looking for in a candidate when addressing that point?



optimus

1/27/08, 17:47:pm

Obama’s reagan comment was correct, Reaga and his administration had ideas and a strong ideology, we might not like it but they changed and impacted america big times with it…



Ara

1/27/08, 17:48:pm

@ Joe F**k you!!! OBAMA 08 YES HE CAN!!



Josie

1/27/08, 17:53:pm

@Nita, the housing nightmare has caused nightmares all around the world, the Europeans are scared therefore the market will get a lot worse before it gets better. Many of the banks here in Germany are in trouble because they have a very large stake in the US housing market, so it is tight all around. I don’t know how it is gonna be done either, there are too many negatives at this point.

I think the candidate must be able to tackle the problem immediately, that person has to hit the ground running. Say what you want about the Clintons they left a budget surplus when they left office. Not sure who will win, but don’t want the people to lose focus on the important issues. America is in serious trouble, we have 2 new world powers in China and India(america built them both), so coming back from this recession is gonna take some heavy duty experience and I don’t think Obama has it yet.

Lots of people will not agree with that, I am very proud of Obama however, America needs help right now, living in the country people don’t see it as much, but when you are on the outside looking in, it’s a horrible picture



optimus

1/27/08, 17:56:pm

@nanah your an idiot, not because u hate Obama, but because your args are bogus at best!



tj

1/27/08, 17:59:pm

@ QB

In regards to Mary Mahoney’s death their was nothing taken from the Starbucks in the robbery which I found particuliarly telling.

The Clintons’ are definitely murdererers there’s no question about that. Some of the bodies on your list may be coincidental but Mary’s death and the repeated “plane crashes” are highly suspicious. Especially Ron Brown whom I’m sure you know was a black man (innocuously stated)



tj

1/27/08, 18:02:pm

Also Heather I’m sure is working for Ron Brown. I’m also sure she is not black.



tj

1/27/08, 18:03:pm

Hahahah whoops Ron Paul^



Gymo

1/27/08, 18:25:pm

@llop – I LIKE OBAMA BUT IS JUST NOT HIS TIME. AMERICA IS SO FAR IN THE RED I TRUST HILLARY OR EDWARDS TO GET US BACK TO NORMAL, THEN I WOULD VOTE OBAMA ANYDAY, BUT NOW IS NOT HIS TIME

————————————————

LLop is saying trust any White person over a Black.

————————————————–

I don’t trust Hillary and am sure she would ruin this country if she became president.

I would prefer to see if not Obama then McCain as President. The Clintons are playing a Black against Black policy, counting on Black hating and fearing Blacks.

Thank you South Carolina for showing America that we won’t destroy each other because a White person want’s power.



lovely and amazing

1/27/08, 18:50:pm

@ Nita

Your comments are very enlightening. Ted Kennedy endorsed Obama! Kerry endorsed Obama! This is historical. There is no downplaying the magnitude of what Obama has evoked and is accomplishing. Hillary just knew she had Oprah and the Kennedy family in her pocket, wrong. The youth need to be mobilized, especialy African-American youth.

@ QB Eve & tj

Yes, the Clintons have been known to use mafia-like tendencies, including murder as a cover up. I’ve seen that list and it is very sad. Ron Brown’s wife was suspicious of the Clintons in regard to her husband’s “plane crash”. But she feared the Clintons as did a lot of people on that list.

OBAMA 2008!

YES HE CAN!

OBAMA 2008!



lovely and amazing

1/27/08, 18:53:pm

I hope that the Democratic Party is listening and will no longer take blacks for granted and will see that Obama is a long overdue movement onward from mean-spirited secular-liberal/progressive elitism.

OBAMA 2008!



Shill

1/27/08, 21:30:pm

I don’t care who wins the dem nomination. If its hilary its hilary if its barack its barack. All the dems that are running have similar views anyway. The only difference is the republican candidates. So since I dislike those bushys that are running for presient and their views and policies i’ll go for any dem who wins.

We cannot have another bushy for president period.

CLINTON 2008!!!

OBAMA 2008!!!

EDWARDS 2008!!!



kara kor el

1/27/08, 22:24:pm

Damn it, I always get in on these discussions after nearly everything I wanted to say has been said. Alright, well, here goes.

@lovely and amazing

Ok, I didn’t want to have to do this, but you leave me no choice. Nah-nah’s not the plant. It’s me. I’m a rare flora that was salvaged during Kal-El, the last son of Krypton’s rescue mission to Argo, my home planet. I was originally grown on Krpton, in the House of Jar-El, and was brought to Argo to be presented to Zor-El’s (Jar-El’s brother ) young daughter (Kara Zor-El) as a birthday present. I flourished on Argo, under Kara’s care, before Krypton and Argo’s tragic demise. Once Kal rescued Kara, she asked that he teleport me, her favorite plant, back to his fortress of solitude, but he erred in his coordinates, sending me not to the fortress, but instead to a flower shop on Skid Row, where I was purchased by an earth man named Seymour Krelborn . Seymour gave me an Earth name “Audrey 2” (I go by my Argoan name Kara kor el on this site). Seymour learned the hard way what I ate, and the taste I acquired for hysterical zealots who try to discredit people who argue better than do by calling them “plants” like it’s a McCarthy era witch hunt. Yeah, I love to munch on big, juicy propagandists with wild, unsubstantiated, conspiracy theories (Clinton murders). Yeah, you know, I like those juicy, succulent blowhards, who aren’t too swift cognitively, but still like to tout their marital status and religion (“As a married Christian mother, I find your comments particularly disturbing. God Bless You and may He lead you to a better moral and character”) as some type of superior platform (Umm, yum.) You’re looking mighty tasty right now, all lovely and amazing. I’ll tell you the same thing I told Seymour . . . FEED ME.

Maoist Marxist-Leninists for Obama in 08

Serve the People



lingatru

1/27/08, 22:44:pm

@TJ

I didn’t attack Michelle, I question Michelle. You have a problem with that? I live in Illinois, don’t tell me what they did or do. I didn’t question her education, but her degree has nothing to do with working for a hospital, a job she was offered days after her husband became the a member the Illinois Senate. Keep in mind, the insurance and health industries are handled by the State.

My statement was her employers had an agenda.

Your judging me? I’m not in the public eye and I don’t have a husband trying to be the leader of America. I’m a young black woman trying to decide on who to vote for. You blowing a fact I posted into some drama doesn’t help. My post clearly states they all do it. The comment you made about my character was unfair, what is your problem?



Missy

1/27/08, 23:28:pm

Ya’ll full of many things up in here, including blasphemy! God help us all!



kiki236

1/28/08, 00:07:am

Hillary Clinton has sponsored 350 bills since Jan 22, 2001, of which 304 haven’t made it out of committee (Very Poor) and 2 were successfully enacted (Average, relative to peers). Clinton has co-sponsored 1706 bills during the same time period (Average, relative to peers). Source: http://www.Govtrack.com

Barack Obama has sponsored 129 bills since Jan 4, 2005, of which 120 haven’t made it out of committee (Average) and 1 were successfully enacted (Average, relative to peers). Obama has co-sponsored 529 bills during the same time period (Average, relative to peers). Source: http://www.Govtrack.com

Don’t believe the hype, Barack Obama is a strong candidate with a strong record.

He has worked hard for all of his constituents. Regardless of race or gender.

In Illinois: Sponsored 233 bills pertaining to Health Care

Sponsored 125 bills pertaining to Poverty and Public *****istance

Sponsored 112 bills pertaining to Crime, Corrections and the Death Penalty

Sponsored 97 bills pertaining to Economy, Business and Finance

Sponsored 62 bills pertaining to Education

Sponsored 60 bills pertaining to Civil and Human Rights



LINGATRU

1/28/08, 01:01:am

Thanks Kiki, and anyone else that provided insight and/or information without being a pompous paranoid ***** about it.



morgan

1/28/08, 01:37:am

nah nah…..wow…bungee jump or something.



British Black girl

1/28/08, 08:23:am

Although I am half way across the world ..I am incresingly becoming more supportive of Obama…here is an e-mail cirulating offices in London:

A March 12, 2007 article written by acclaimed

Washington columnist Robert Novak sheds a very

revealing light on the true sentiment of Hillary

Clinton during the peak of the Civil Rights Movement.

Clinton recently was found to have minimized the greatand monumental strides taken by Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. by stating that it was Lyndon B. Johnson, then president, who should receive the credit for the civil rights progress including the Civil Rights Act of 1964.

In an attempt to attract black support Hillary Clinton regularly shares her ‘civil rights experience’ during every speech given to black audiences. Novak writes of one such speech at Selma’s First Baptist Church on the 42nd anniversary of the “***** Sunday” freedom march

there, where Sen. Clinton declared: “As a young woman, I had the great privilege of hearing Dr. King speak in Chicago. The year was 1963. My youth minister from our church took a few of us down on a cold January night to hear [King]. . . . And he called on us, he challenged us that evening to stay awake during the great revolution that the civil rights pioneers were waging on behalf of a more perfect union.” But Novak’s

article states that there’s a big problem with her

statement.

The fact is, in 1963, not only was Hillary Clinton a republican, but she was also a staunch supporter of republican Senator Barry Goldwater, well known as a segregationist and one of the most vocal senators adamantly against the p*****ing of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, which is why he lost in his presidential bid to Lyndon B. Johnson. Novak writes “…how then could she be a ‘Goldwater Girl’ in the next year’s presidential election?” He continues, “…she described herself in her memoirs as ‘an active Young Republican’ and ‘a Goldwater girl, right down to my cowgirl outfit.’

Novak adds, “As a politically attuned honour student, she must have known that Goldwater was one of only six Republican senators who joined Southern Democratic segregationists opposing the historic voting rights act of 1964 inspired by King. Hillary headed the Young Republicans at Wellesley College. The incompatibility of those two positions of 40 years ago was noted to me(Novak) by Democratic old-timers who were shocked by Sen. Clinton’s temerity in pursuing her presidential candidacy.” Novak adds, “What Hillary Clinton said at Selma is significant because it betrays her campaign’s panicky reaction to the unexpected rise of Sen. Obama as a serious competitor for the Democratic nomination.

Clinton’s plans were transformed by the advent of

Obama, an African-American threatening the hard

allegiance of black voters forged by Bill Clinton. On one hand, the Clinton campaign has attacked Obama and his supporters. On the other hand, she has sought to solidify her civil rights credentials.

While Clinton was re-inventing her past, her road to the White House is not going as planned. Instead of a steady procession to coronation at the Denver convention, she is involved in a real struggle against credible opponents led by Obama. No wonder she and her handlers were tempted to imply the existence long ago of a young lady in Chicago’s suburbs who never really existed.”

We greatly appreciate Mr. Novak’s findings which bring one main thought to mind. Wake up Black America! DON’T BE FOOLED ! The fact is, despite her falsehoods, Hillary was AGAINST the p*****ing of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 that Dr. Martin Luther King died for. As a ‘Goldwater Girl’ she was actually even against Lyndon B. Johnson, the very person she now gives the credit to for Dr. King getting to the mountaintop. She has worked extremely hard to hide many truths about her past, including ordering that her 92 page college

thesis that she wrote at Wellesley College be ’sealed’ and unavailable to the public, an order forced upon the college by Bill Clinton while president, although all senior thesis’ at Wellesley have been available for public reading for over 100 years, except one….Hillary Rodham Clinton’s.

Reports have stated that information in her ’secret

thesis’ could be the ‘Swift Boat’ ammo to be used by the Republican Party against her should she become the nominee. (read more about ’secret thesis’ at MSNBC)



Joe King

1/28/08, 09:24:am

Who the hell thinks those old-timey chitlin puppets brought us to where we are today is half right. Because under their watch Black America has gone to ruin. All they talk about is government do this, government do that, well ***** that *****, we don’t need the government to do nothing for us because smart, strong independent Black folks can do it ourselves. Those old-timey Democrats don’t want things to change because they like the victims role too much and a lot of them have made their living off of it. They cannot stand that we no longer accept that crabs in the barrel thinking and they can’t lead us around like a goat leading sheep anymore. They simply can’t accept that we can do more than just keep our eyes on the prize and yearn and whine, but confident young Black men can reach out and grab the prize in their arms and stroke it if they want to. I wish those old fools would shut the hell up, especially those pimping preachers in all those churches who are so in love with the Clintons they would beat down any Black man who dares to challenge them. Those old-timers are stuck in the past and are comfortable being there with their no-good, has-been, stupid agendas that don’t move *****ody forward into a new century where color will matter less and less, and it will be what is in your head and pocketbook that will determine your fate and the kind of life you lead. If somebody don’t like the color of your skin, ***** them, I’m getting rich and gonna be successful anyhow, I ain’t weeping and moaning about racism holding me back, cause ain’t nothing holding me back but myself. If your family and friends love you, you already successful and if you can financially take care of yours, that’s just icing on the cake. Peace out.



Coop

1/28/08, 09:55:am

__________________________________________

@Joe King

Cut the bull if your getting rich and are going to be successful it is because of what those Democrats have done to make things better for you.



Coop

1/28/08, 09:58:am

kkoes

PRESIDENT CLINTON AND VICE PRESIDENT GORE

Working on Behalf of African Americans

Economy

Nearly 18 Million New Jobs. More than 90 percent of the new jobs have been created in the private sector, the highest percentage in 50 years.

Record-Low African American Unemployment. The unemployment rate for African Americans has fallen from 14.2 percent in 1992 to 8.9 percent in 1998 — the lowest annual level on record (data first collected in 1972)

Median Income of African American Households Is Up $3,354. The median income of African American households rose 4.3 percent (or $1,029) in 1997. And since 1993, the median income of African American households has increased from $21,696 to $25,050 — $3,354 or a 15-percent increase, adjusted for inflation, between 1993 and 1997.

Real Wages Are Rising for African Americans. The real wages of African Americans have risen rapidly in the past two years, up about 5.8 percent for African American men and 6.2 percent for African American women since 1996.

Tax Cuts For Low-Income Working Families. President Clinton’s 1993 Economic Plan provided tax cuts to 15 million hard-pressed working families by expanding the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC). The average family with two kids who received the EITC received a tax cut of $1,026. In 1997, the EITC lifted 1.1 million African Americans out of poverty.

Largest Four-Year Drop in African American Poverty in More than Twenty-Five Years. Since 1993, the African American poverty rate has dropped from 33.1 percent to 26.5 percent — the largest four-year drop in African American poverty in more than a quarter century (1967-1971) and 26.5 percent is the lowest level on record (data collected since 1959). While this decrease marks significant progress, President Clinton will continue to fight for policies that help to raise incomes andreduce poverty.

Child Poverty Among African Americans Down To Lowest Level on Record. In 1997, the African American child poverty rate fell from 39.9 percent in 1996 to 37.2 percent — its lowest level on record (data collected since 1959). Since 1993, the child poverty rate among African-Americans has dropped from 46.1 percent to 37.2 percent — the biggest four-year drop on record.

Minimum Wage Increased. The President raised the minimum wage to $5.15 an hour — directly benefitting 1.3 million African American workers.

Fighting for Paycheck Equity. The President has called on Congress to p***** legislation to strengthen laws prohibiting wage discrimination. In 1997, the median earnings of African American women represented 65 percent of the median earnings for all men.

Two and a Half Times More Small Business Loans to African American Entrepreneurs. Between 1993 and 1997 the Small Business Administration (SBA) approved more than 9,000 loans to African American entrepreneurs under the 7(a) and 504 loan programs. In 1997 alone, the Small Business Administration granted 1,900 loans, worth $286 million, to African American small business owners, two and a half times the number of loans granted in 1992.

Supporting Minority Business Communities and Increasing Access to Capital. Building on the efforts of the SBA, Vice President Gore unveiled aggressive plans to increase lending and business services to the African American and Hispanic business communities nationwide. The SBA has set a goal of providing an estimated total of $1.86 billion in loans to African American small businesses over a three-year period. In addition, the Vice President announced an unprecedented agreement between SBA and the “Big Three” U.S. automakers to increase subcontracting awards to minority businesses by nearly $3 billion over the next three years — a 50 percent increase over current levels.

Ensuring Minority Business Owners Have a Fair Opportunity to Compete. The President signed the Transportation Equity Act for the 21st Century into law on June 9, 1998. The Act protects the Disadvantaged Business Enterprise (DBE) Program, a program that ensures that minority and women owned businesses have an opportunity to compete for transportation projects. The Administration helped defeat an amendment to the House version of this bill that would have eliminated the DBE Program. In a different measure, the President also approved the creation of a new program to target *****istance to minority-owned businesses in industries that continue to reflect the effects of discrimination. As a result, thousands of minority-owned businesses will be able to compete more effectively for government contracts.

Working on Behalf of Minority Farmers. The U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) is working to strengthen programs and increase outreach targeted to underserved communities, including increasing its lending to minority and women producers. Between 1993 and 1998, direct lending to these groups has nearly doubled — from $46.5 million in FY93 to $91 million in FY98. The Administration is committed to righting any past wrongs by federal employees and worked with the Congress in 1998 to craft language contained in the Agriculture Appropriations bill that waives thetwo-year statute of limitations on discrimination complaints against USDA’s farm and housing loan programs. This waiver allows compensation to be provided to many minority farmers who were victims of discrimination by USDA from the early 1980’s through the 1990’s. On Jan. 5,1999, Agriculture Secretary Dan Glickman announced an historic agreement to settle the discrimination lawsuit against the U.S. Department of Agriculture brought by African American farmers. As President Clinton said regarding the settlement, “Today’s action is an important step in Secretary Glickman’s ongoing efforts to rid the Agriculture Department of discriminatory behavior and redress any harm that has been caused by past discrimination against African-American family farmers.”

Expanding Investment in Urban and Rural Areas. Spurring economic development in distressed communities, the Clinton Administration has created 31 Empowerment Zones and more than 100 Enterprise Communities that are creating new jobs, new opportunities and stronger communities. The FY99 budget included $60 million in flexible discretionary funding for the next round of Empowerment Zones and Enterprise Communities.

Helping People Get to Work. The Transportation Equity Act for the 21st Century authorizes $750 million over five years, and the FY99 budget included $75 million, for the President’s Access to Jobs initiative and reverse commute grants to help communities design innovative transportation solutions so that families who need to work can get to work.

Providing Incentives to Save. The President signed into law a five-year, $125 million demonstration program for Individual Development Accounts, providing incentives for low income families to save for a first home, higher education, or to start a new business, effectively completing his 1992 community empowerment agenda.

*****isting Families with Housing Vouchers. Congress approved the President’s full request for 50,000 new vouchers exclusively for people who need housing *****istance to make the transition from welfare to work.

Homeownership Is Up. There are more than seven million new homeowners since the President took office. African American homeownership has increased 20 percent with 974,000 new African American homeowners since the first quarter of 1994.

Helping More Families Become Homeowners with the “Play-by-the-Rules” Homeownership Initiative. The FY99 budget included $25 million for the Neighborhood Reinvestment Corporation to start this new initiative that will make homeownership more accessible to families who have a good rental history but have difficulty purchasing a home; 10,000 lower-income and minority families who are currently renting will benefit from this initiative.

Expanding Low-Income Housing Tax Credit by 40 Percent. In 1993, President Clinton fulfilled hispromise to permanently extend the Low-Income Housing Tax Credit, spurring the private development of low-income housing and helping to build 75,000-90,000 housing units each year. President Clinton has proposed to expand the credit by 40 percent. Over the next five years, this expansion would mean an additional 150,000 to 180,000 quality affordable rental units.

Building One America. The President has led the nation in an effort to become One America in the 21st Century: a place where we respect others’ differences and, at the same time, embrace the common values that unite us. Dr. John Hope Franklin, Advisory Board Chair, and Rev. Suzan Johnson Cook served on the Advisory Board to the President’s Initiative on Race, which the President charged with overseeing this effort. The President, the Administration and the Advisory Board were actively involved in public outreach efforts — including holding numerous public meetings and town halls — to engage Americans across the nation in this historic effort. One of the critical elements of the President’s Initiative on Race was identifying, highlighting and sharing with the nation promising practices — local and national efforts to promote racial reconciliation. The Advisory Board presented their final report to the President on September 18, 1998, and recommended that conversations on race continue.

Creating an Administration that Looks Like One America. The President appointed the most diverse Cabinet and Administration in history. The Clinton Cabinet includes three African Americans: Rodney Slater, Secretary of the Department of Transportation; Togo West, Jr., Secretary of Veterans Affairs and Alexis Herman, Secretary of Labor. Additionally, African Americans serve in the Administration as Surgeon General, Deputy Attorney General for the Department of Justice, Director of the National Park Service, Deputy Secretary of Commerce, Department of Education General Counsel and as the Department of Education’s Chief of Staff. Thirteen percent of Clinton Administration appointees are African American, which is twice as many African Americans as any previous administration. White House appointees include: Bob Nash, *****istant to the President and Director of Presidential Personnel; Thurgood Marshall, Jr., *****istant to the President and Director of Cabinet Affairs; Minyon Moore, *****istant to the President and Director of Political Affairs; Cheryl Mills, Deputy *****istant to the President and Deputy Counsel and Ben Johnson, Deputy *****istant to the President and Deputy Director of Public Liaison; Alphonso (Al) Maldon, Deputy *****istant to the President for Legislative Affairs; and Tracey Thornton, Deputy *****istant to the President for Legislative Affairs.

Increasing the Number of Judicial Appointments. President Clinton has named 14 African Americans as U.S. Attorneys and 12 African Americans as U.S. Marshals. The President has nominated 57 African Americans to the Federal bench, 16 percent of his total Federal bench nominations.

Ordered an *****essment of Affirmative Action Programs. The President ordered a comprehensive review of the government’s affirmative action programs which concluded that affirmative action is still an effective and important tool to expand educational and economic opportunity to all Americans. This review of federal affirmative action programs has helped to ensure that these programs are fair and effective and that they can survive legal challenges. As a result, programs that benefit African Americans, including students, working men and women, and business owners, remain in effect andare more likely to be upheld by the courts.

Reducing Backlog and Expanding Alternative Dispute Resolution at Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC). The FY99 budget included $279 million — a $37 million increase over the previous year — to significantly expand EEOC’s alternative dispute resolution program and reduce the backlog of private sector discrimination complaints. The final budget fully funds the President’s request — providing the first real increase for EEOC in several years.

Creating a National Memorial to Honor Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. In July of 1998, President Clinton signed a new measure authorizing the creation of a national monument to Dr. King on the National Mall in Washington, D.C.

Opposed California Prop. 209 and Similar Measures. The Clinton Administration strongly opposes state and local initiatives to eliminate affirmative action programs that expand opportunities for African Americans and others. The Administration opposed Proposition 209 in California and filed amicus briefs opposing Prop. 209, which currently prohibits state affirmative action programs. The Clinton Administration opposed a similar initiative in Houston, which was defeated and opposed an initiative in Washington that is similar to Prop. 209. In all these cases, representatives of the administration have spoken out strongly against these initiatives as unfair and a barrier to equality.

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Great post.



Southern Belle 225

1/28/08, 10:00:am

I am loving Obama right about now!



vile

1/28/08, 10:04:am

I ask the bloggers on this site to reflect on what Obama has to offer, are you supporting him because he is black or are you supporting him because he will be the best to lead your country.

Common Sense dictates that you be a FREE-THINKER. Choose the person you think will be best for your country. Can anyone point out Obama’s view on health care, gay marriage, abortion, taxes, the war on Iraq, America’s foreign policies, America’s economy and other such important issues!!!!!!!!



lovely and amazing

1/28/08, 10:07:am

OBAMA 2008!

YES HE CAN!

OBAMA 2008!

Back to the streets today to hand out more flyers. Also organizing a fundraising event. We can all do what we can with what we have to make a difference for OBAMA 2008!

Is anyone or do you know of anyone working with the African-American youth vote in California? Know where to direct support and donations?

Also, Ted Kennedy endorsed Obama and said he will focus on the Hispanic vote. This is wonderful for the Kennedy’s to get behind and unify people behind Obama.

I’ve learned a lot from the posts here about Hispanics not voting for Obama because he is black. In all fairness, some African-Americans can take a superior attitude toward Hispanics. So we need a bridge or many bridges to connec these communities not because we are the same but because we do have similar goals for our future generations.

Lets not write off Hispanics as enemies of Obama, let’s not underestimate their support, some of their children look just like Obama too and they too have also been told that means they can’t be president. With his deeply thoughtful campaign, I do wish Obama had taken the time in his career to learn fluent Spanish. I think this is a necessary bridge and consideration for a movement for change and the future.

I’m just so grateful to witness this election in my lifetime and to share this historical time with my children.

OBAMA 2008!

YES HE CAN!

OBAMA 2008!



Coop

1/28/08, 10:13:am

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@rosie

I just read another of your post and you are another person that falls for everything Fox news reports.



lovely and amazing

1/28/08, 10:19:am

@ British Black Girl

Very informative. Thank you.



Vinandi

1/28/08, 11:14:am

Congrats Team Obama!

As Black African my hope is to see an Black American President in office as it can only benefit our whole race as a whole and would show that we have finally been released from the shackles of slavery and colonialism!

I can only imagine how you, my brothers and sisters in America are feeling and how excitied you must be now that it just might become a possibility! Barack Obama has captured the imaginations and hopes of people not only in the USA but around the world, he is charismatic and enganging Politician who seems genunely honest and humble, amazing qualities for a leader.

Although to be honest I have my reservations at whether or not White America is ready for a woman President,yet alone a Black President. I am concerned that when push comes to shove, the average American, faced with Barack or Hilary, will chose the safe Republican, Middle American President, and keep the Republicans in power for another 4 years!

I hope that the Black American population, mobilise, register to vote and ensure that they make up the numbers, cause rest *****ured middle America are going to do everything in their power to try and stop this wind of change!!



agenthottie

1/28/08, 11:48:am

Kerry and chris tucker spoke at my school in SC, For some one reson (I know this sounds stupid) but I think thats the main reason why I voted for obama bc of them reppin him and actually coming to my college to speak.



herewego

1/28/08, 12:40:pm

@Vinandi

With all due respect, how are the black leaders in Africa taking care of the black people. How’s that working? I’m not hating, but at the end of the day all men are created equal. Get real! If you truly are African you damn well what I’m talking about. Unless you think a black American President is going to sending more money to Africa. Got news for you, we don’t have any money.

Anyone that thinks the average white women has it that much better then the average black man is mental. As long as there is a brother somewhere in America hitting, raping, or holding down a woman they are just as bad as white men. Don’t confuse lack of opportunity with inability.

That said, Obama might be a great leader. I hope he is. But it won’t be because he’s a black man. It will be because he is a good man.



tiray

1/28/08, 13:33:pm

^^^^^^here we go!

Everyone agree with you bro. You’re preaching to the choir. we all know that Obama’s ot the holy grail for blacks……

An Obama as prez is IMPORTANT.

TIGER Woods is IMPORTANT to golf.

Oprah..is IMPORTANT FOR black women

Micheal Jordan was IMPORTANT for basketball

Adam Clayton Powell was IMPORTANT TO BLACK PEOPLE.

Ask a JEW why he rules hollywood…

every culture must carry the torch!

get it?

think

http://www.my*****e.com/tirayk



herewego

1/28/08, 13:45:pm

I believe he is a good man, I just want him to have a fair chance. I’m afraid some blacks will expect him to wave some magic wand and make it all better. It takes work, he is a start but he’ll need all the help he can get.



mzc2u

1/28/08, 14:23:pm

Whew! There is some good debate going on on this post, but someone please enlighten me on what “The New World Order ” is? Its been mentioned several times on this post and I want a clear understanding, I went to Wikepedia, but didn’t quite decipher through all that history, someone please answer for me…………..



Rico

1/28/08, 15:03:pm

Go Obama !!! It’s refreshing to see someone who is able to inspire and get people involved !!! The Clintons had their day and it was a good run !!! Let’s go for a real change this time !!! We’ve had Clinton/Clinton/Bush/Bush… Time for fresh blood and new ideas !!! The man can’t do any worse than the so called “experienced” candidates and let’s face it, a president is as good as the cabinet he selects as well !!!

Don’t be fooled or blindsided by that Clinton rhetoric as they are subtly bringing up the “race card”.. Not only are they swiping the candidate in a negative manner, but they’re making it seem that as black people, we can’t vote for change or want a change, and that we all think alike !!!

Interesting that Ms. Clinton was crying foul when she felt she was being attacked, but now that she’s got Obama nipping at her heels, she feels free to attack !!! She thought this campaign was going to be a cakewalk and that she could take the black vote for granted !!! WRONG !!!

Exercise your right and the right that those before us fought and died for.. VOTE !!! VOTE !!!



MrStyle

1/28/08, 15:43:pm

Young Gifter Black and for Hillary Clinton!

Sorry but I don’t need a dreamer I need a doer! I need someone with a proven track of getting things done and Obama is not that but Clinton is!

I live in the city of Chicaog and Obama is my Senator yet he has done nothing for the city and/or the state of Illinois.

So Bossip you are supporting him because???? He’s black? Well that’s racist my friends!



kara kor el

1/28/08, 16:07:pm

FEED ME!!!



tiray

1/28/08, 23:35:pm

Mr style!

Thank god i’m a racist. I REALLY believe in Obama. I will definately vote for Obama because he’s black….YES!

Why are blacks trying so hard to be politically correct? It doesn’t work for you.Its SO funny at work,seeing blacks trying to play the white game,only to get laughed at in private!!

Let a jew run for prez……..

think

http://www.blackwiz.biz



rosie

1/29/08, 01:39:am

@ coop

I don’t watch Fox News.



rosie

1/29/08, 01:43:am

re: Kennedy endorsement of Obama

Wow, the director of NOW in NY, who campaigned for Hillary Clinton in Iowa, released a BOGUS statement today about Kennedy’s support of Obama. Not that I ever found NOW particularly relevant personally, but this is really embarr*****ing.

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NOW-NY slams Kennedy

“The ultimate betrayal” says women’s group

By JAY JOCHNOWITZ, State editor

Click byline for more stories by writer.

Last updated: 5:21 p.m., Monday, January 28, 2008

The National Organization for Women’s New York chapter today issued a scathing response to Sen. Ted Kennedys endorsement of Barack Obama over Hillary Clinton in the Democratic presidential primary, calling it a “betrayal” of women.

Marcia Pappas, NOW-NY’s president, wrote in a news release that on a host of issues and positions, “Women have forgiven Kennedy, stuck up for him, stood by him,” but “We are repaid with his abandonment. He’s picked the new guy over us. He’s joined the list of progressive white men who can’t or won’t handle the prospect of a woman president who is Hillary Clinton.”

Pappas blasted several other people and Democratic groups, including national Democratic Chairman Howard Dean, Progressive Democrats of America, democrats.com, and “Kucinich lovers and all the other groups that take women’s money, say they’ll do feminist and womens rights issues one of these days, and conveniently forget to mention women and children when they talk about poverty or human needs or America’s future or whatever.”

In an interview, Pappas said she’s gotten mixed reactions to the statement, with some telling her it was “cathartic” to others saying, “How dare you, I’m quitting NOW.”

(Editor’s note: The full statement can be read on our Capitol Confidential blog, however, due to high volume the site may be unavailable).



rosie

1/29/08, 02:14:am

(for some reason this didn’t post right)

@coop

I don’t watch Fox News. Do you think I am conservative because I don’t think Hillary can win in Midwest or “blue-dog” democrat states? I think the fact that she and Obama got an even share of white male support in relatively conservative South Carolina should tell us something about what she can expect in Ohio and PA.

Hillary did a good job of bringing conservative upstate voters in NY around. However, it took over a year of intensive face-to-face campaigning, which is impossible in a national election. That and her negatives are higher than ANY OTHER CANDIDATE in public opinion polls, which is amazing since Rudy Giuliani is one of the most unlikable people on earth.

Accusing someone of being a right-wing conservative is the last refuge of someone who cannot shape a cogent argument. Just because I disagree doesn’t mean I like Bill O’Reilly. It’s kind of like calling someone’s position a “fairy tale” because you’re mad that they were right and you were wrong.





Vinandi

1/29/08, 08:09:am

@Here We go

in response to ur comments;

” With all due respect, how are the black leaders in Africa taking care of the black people. How’s that working? I’m not hating, but at the end of the day all men are created equal. Get real! If you truly are African you damn well what I’m talking about. Unless you think a black American President is going to sending more money to Africa. Got news for you, we don’t have any money.”

All men are created equal, but the reality is, it is not an equal playing field, there is a pecking order, whether we like it or not, and trying to pretend that there isn’t, is naive! Get real!

That is why it is such a momentous occasion for all Black people as a whole not just Americans, that there could potentially be a Black man, as the leader “of the free world”

I actually do find your comments disrespectful, as a Black person I am showing solidarity with Black Americans, but I can also see that Obama is inspirational and a uniting force, which can only be good thing for young black youths, no?

Some black leaders in Africa may not be the best, heck there are a lot of corrupt ones out there, however the bottom line is I live in Black country and have a Black President and that is something we value as Black Africans, and my President, is doing his best, despite the fact the USA and other Western nations do everything in their power to stop our nations from developing and rigging the terms of trade, to the extent that that it is highly unlikely we can ever successfully develop our economies’!

Also Africans, do not expect handouts or money from the U.S government, Africa does not need handouts, it needs constructive aid, as in helping us build manufacturing plants, schools and hospitals, monetary aid merely encourages dependency and we do not need that! Unfortunately governments like yours enforce tied aid on Africa, so that all the money is diverted back to the U.S big businesses thereby making our plight even worse!

The majority of Africans want a Black American President, because our hope is that he may actually genuinely care about our plight, and help change the world economic system so that the terms of trade no longer only favours the US and other Western nations. And Africa may finally be given a chance to develop and compete in world trade on equal terms! That is all! Furthermore, the U.S economy appears to be heading towards a recession due to an extremely high deficit and the global credit crunch!, so I definitely hear your comment, when you say “ we don’t’ have any money”.



michelle

1/29/08, 16:16:pm

Why does Kerry Washington’s lips remind me of

Mr. Bill ? ( Mr. Bill was on SNL ) a playdo character. Her lips looks as though someone rolled them out and slapped a ton of vaseline on them.

And they look like that in every picture she takes!



kay *****..now what?

2/1/08, 23:23:pm

Obama gon lose. he dont stand a chance against Hilary. im votin for her anywayz the last thing america needs is a black man in the white house *****in up ***** so…sorry Obama fans but its time to face reality here Hilary ownz 2008. And yes im black but just b/c im black don mean i got to support the black man n NO im not against my own race im just thinkin bout what can happenif he get in office n start *****in up *****…racism?…segregation?….discrimination?…some malcom x *****?