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So the Pro-Life activists killed this man in a church?

@ Grimreeper wow. Someone died and you want to comment on being first? Douche jump in a hole and stay there.

Wow, this is sad!!!

They are a bunch of psychotic domestic terrorist! Extremist and usually Republican!

Pro-Lifers too one to the gut with this lunatic. Who in the hell kills someone at church – but is pro-life. Are you serious come on. Granted he was a doctor that performed abortions after 12 weeks. But no excuse to murdering someone. Strange times people…very strange times.

Your opinion about abortion should be that if YOU don’t believe in them, don’t have one and don’t cause one. That’s it!!!

You should never extend yourself to making decisions for somebody else’s body or situation.

People kill me with I don’t believe in abortion…well don’t have one or don’t cause one. Shooting a doctor who performs abortions isn’t going to stop them.

Hell, the world might be a better place if a few more mothers had had abortions.

Regardless of whether you agree or disagree w/ abortion, this was wrong, and in the house of the Lord no less, a place of solitude and peace…. very sad, on many levels…

Damn white ppl always killing folks and then talking about ProLife…Didn’t this doctor have a right to his life?

They talk about not having abortions (as if it is their bodies) and when the kids come they don’t have good jobs for the parents (even if the parents when to school), they don’t want to help the parents with the kids. When the kids end up in jail, they say how much of a bad parent “you” are.

SMH @ this country and these damn Republicans!

That’s y I don’t care 4 religious fanatics. 2 many of them want 2 twist the bible 2 suit their personal agendas.

2 me, there is no difference between some religious zealot who will kill an abortion doctor and a member of al-qaeda.

Those Pro-lifers aren’t going to adopt any of those children that they “supposedly” want to save, or provide for these children’s welfare. See, if you are really concerned about these children, you’d provide support, instead of criticism. These people are nuts.
How can you say that you believe in life when you are willing to kill someone because of your beliefs?

Pray for President Obama because when these idiots think they are doing Gods work they will go all out with violence. Keep on praying for the secret service to do their job because even some democrats hate our President. This is the kind of crazy person who was out there protested the president at Notre Dame because of stem cell research and abortion rights.

Oreilly and foxnews was calling the deceased doctor “the baby killer” but tonight he will spin it around to look like the victim.

Now personally i believe that a person has the right to abortion. Even though i don’t think that it is right a person will have to live with that. To kill a man who has a family in a church believe me there check to hell has been cashed. Even thought his profession was something that most people don’t agree with its senseless to take his life just because you don’t agree with them.

Regardless of whether you agree or disagree w/ abortion, this was wrong, and in the house of the Lord no less, a place of solitude and peace…. very sad, on many levels…
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You are right this was so wrong

What was the ABORTION DOCTOR doing in the house of the lord

That in itself is a CONTRADICTION

He was one of the few providers of LATE-TERM Abortions

This could be up to 27 weeks and at this point the FETUS can SURVIVE outside the UTERUS

I do not CONDONE the pro-lifers actions but how can that Doctor ATTEND church every sunday knowing full well that he SPENDS his week killing fully developed fetus

damn thats some crazy stuff…
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I’m almost too upset to say n ething! Just like that PETA stuff! People need to understand that THEIR opinion is THEIR opinion! PPL don’t have to always AGREE! We need to respect eachothers opinions and views in an intelligent way! We can learn from one another all this crap is INSANE!…I wont be mad b/c some1 dsnt agree w/ me! Just respect me! and understand b4 u pass judgment on others! People need SERIOUS HELP!…if we all understood this concept we’d have a MUCH BETTER world to livv in but instead ppl wanna LIVE in THEIR on worlds and HATE every1 else for not living in the same world (by world I mean mindset!)…

The bible says that NO WEAPON FORMED AGAINST ME SHALL PROSPER

A man who sits in the house of the lord and persist in the killing of hundred of babies has AUTOMATICALLY removed the lords protection

The family being in church does not have anything to do with it

The fact that he could be killed in church is a TELLING SIGN

I don’t agree with abortion but damn, to take someone’s life over it is just sick. And in a church. Damn.

Regardless of were u stand on abortions taking someone else’s life isn’t right especially in the house of the LORD, However this man didn’t just perform abortions which is considered only in the first trimester by 99.9% of doctors he did them up to 27 weeks where they can survive outside the womb, an abortion at that point is murder in my eyes, if you are going to get it done, get it done early because they are fully formed, if the mother had the baby and threw it away she would be charged with a crime. It’s only like 3 well now 2 docs that perform late term abortions. So I can see why people were angry with him Karma’s a b@*!# in so many ways.

It’s always these Christian religious fanatics! Ughhhh. Many of them are Black and steal the communities monies to buy themselves expensive cars and homes (Creflo Dollar, and his ilk)

Fact is late term abortions are legal and allowable only on the basis of the mother’s life being in danger and she the mother having that option and making the choice. The doctor was not some blood thirsty baby killer itchin’ everytime her saw an 8 month pregnant woman.

That’s what scares me about religion, especially our community which lets its members’ lives become dictated to by it.

AWWW MAN!! Killed in church!!! SOMEBODY GOING STRAIGHT TO HELL!!!

That is so sad…R.I.P

those late term abortions are disgusting tho

IT WAS NOT THIS MAN’S PLACE TO TAKE THE LAW INTO HIS OWN HANDS NOW IF HE IS SO UPSET ABOUT THIS MAN BEING AN ABORTION DOCTOR BUT YET AND STIL HE TURNS AROUND AND DO A MURDER IN THE CHURCH WHOM IS HE TO JUDGE THAT IS BETWEEN THAT DOCTOR AND GOD HE HAS NO BUSINESS PLAYING GOD SO GUESS WHAT TO THOSE OF YOU WHO WANTS TO PLAY GOD PLEASE ASK FOR HIS HELP GOD DOES NOT HURT ANYONE. NOW HE HAS TO ANSWER TO THE MAN UPSTAIRS HE DID THE SAME THING THE DOCTOR WAS DOING KILLING.

@MISSUNDERSTOOD
You are missing my point

GOD is MERCYFUL or he would have been STRUCK DOWN ages ago

This Doctor was consistently MURDERING children on a weekly basis and on Sunday he was in Church carrying the Offering bowl

There are conditions to promises made in the bible and this guy should have known this since he was a “Seasoned”church goer

One of the promises is that NO WEAPON FORMED AGAINST YOU SHALL PROSPER

GOD is NOT a liar and his word does not come back VOID

The protection is there for those who ADHERE to the words of GOD

Those that don’t will be EXPOSED even in the house of the lord

Thou Shall not KILL

@bb – and you miss mine as well -

Thou shalt not kill, I get it, the 6th commandment. There are 5 before that one and 4 after. I say to you, how can you pinpoint one commandment that suits your argument and disregard the fact that we have all broken at least one commandment at some time, and/or done something displeasing to God and fallen short of his glory. Do you know how many sinners there are in church? Well… everyone! To use the words of the bible to tout an evil deed is wrong, IMO…

This man wasn’t just killing fetues to be killing fetues. All the time those fetues has serious life threating defects for both the mother and the baby! Or vice versa.

@misunderstood
The man was not just a church goer but an active member in his church

His HYPROCRISY was BLATANT

I don’t see the point in ARGUING on these matters

Lets AGREE to miss each others POINT

BB be an idiot!

And how could a person call themselves a prolifer so willingly take a life. And even cause bodily harm/injure another person?!

I don’t think that a woman gets up in the morning and says that I’ll get my hair and nails done today, do a little shopping and have an abortion. It’s a gut-wrenching personal decision and I’m sure that woman agonize over it for a very long time. It’s a complicated and painful issue.

It’s like the sun is shining and the skies are blue, but I think that I’ll be born black today. WTF, sometimes we get dealth something that was out of our control.

By the way, the article is misleading. My friend had an abortion at his clinic at 24 weeks. Fetus was healthy, so please don’t believe that he only “treated” the unhealthy ones.

@doc
BB be an idiot!
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It appears as if the MENTALLY RETARDED have ESCAPED the LOONYBIN
Please take your MEDICATION all will be well

@bb – agreed

One of my girlfriend had an abortion at 6 months. Her boyfriend didn’t want to marry her and she kept waiting for him to propose. He didn’t….. so she had an abortion. She said that she didn’t want to spend the rest of her life hassling with him or being reminded of him. She met somebody else a couple of years later, got married and has another baby. That was the right decision for her. Who am I to judge?

The doctor does not “force”his patients to have abortions; they choose to have pay to have an abortion performed on themselves. He performs a service for money.

The doctor who injects lethal drugs on death row inmates are abortionists too. They just get their people later in life.

@Black Bytch

Finally someone who agrees with me. Creflo Dollar is a conman, ready to take the money out of the pockets of fools.

This man shouldnt have lost his life even though he was a late term abortionist which means that he was aborting 6 month old babies and I know three people who were premature 6 months old still alive today. There will always be extremist who believe that he should die because of his profession and maybe this is a wakeup call to authorities that these type of people need protection. I dont agree with late term abortion or abortion.

@ Mimi.
It’s good you supported you friend because no one can judge her…but do you know if anybody suggested adoption to her? with just 3 more months to go she probably could have made another family very happy via adoption.

This man’s abortion center was cited on several occasions for being a filthy mess. He performed numerous late term abortions. He pummped huge sums of money into Sebilias (sp) hands and now she is being considered for office by Obama. More abortions are perfomed on Black women and abortion centers are located in or near Black neighborhoods. We average only .9 children per family when you need 2.5 children to replace the family. White families and other minorities are producing enough children to continue their race.
Plan Parenthood was started by a racist whose goal was to decrease the Black population. She HAS succeeded. If this keeps up our plight will be like the Native Americans-almost extinct. Though I don’t agree with murder I certainly will NOT cry for a legally sanctioned BLACK BABY KILLER!!!!

Mimi>>>with all due respect, how can you compare a death row inmate who chose to commit a crime and is now being punished for it and the person that administers the lethal concoction to this person, to an unborn child who didn’t asked to be created in the first place? Just asking.

@Ms. T.

She didn’t want to be reminded of him at all. She didn’t want to know that she had a child out there with another family and she didn’t want to abuse or mistreat or neglect the child which she subconsciously thought that she would.

She really wanted to get married.

I bet every female that had an appointment with him that monday after he died is keeping the babies..Now thats God in action.

Would you have cried for John Brown’s “victims”…?

@pm

Funny.. never even considered that.

very true.

I am so tired of this old tired not”judging” co-op. The bible clearly states that you are to expel the immoral brother.
For some of you it doesn’t matter how crooked Creflo Dollar or any church leader or any church member you are still responsible to know, study, and follow his word. Tiller is not the first person to be killed in a church or synagogue. There is at least 2 ruthless leaders in the bible who ran into the temple trying to escape only to be slaughtered at the altar.

I’m a woman who is not able to have kids.Not a single day that goes by that I don’t think about this. Every time I meet a new man, I have to wonder if he would be able to stick with me through that.But As much as I HATE it, I respect the decision of women who have abortions to better their futures. But 6 months in? That is WRONG and irresponsible . Ladies, please wear condoms, go on the pill, get a shot, wear a patch, SOMETHING. You know if you are ready kids or not.

WordtotheWise

Mimi>>>with all due respect, how can you compare a death row inmate who chose to commit a crime and is now being punished for it and the person that administers the lethal concoction to this person, to an unborn child who didn’t asked to be created in the first place? Just asking.
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My point is………I don’t see why people are getting all up in arms with the doctor. Clearly, he is performing a service. A service that they are paying for.

The doctor who is administering the lethal injection on a prisoner is performing a service for the state so no matter how odious it might be, just like your local drug dealer. Whether the baby is innocent or he prisoner is guilty, both doctors are performing a service. Everyone is mad at the doctor, but they should be mad at somebody else.

Just because you are a pro-lifer doesn’t mean you’re going around killing abortionists.

Mimi>>>I understand that they are both performing a service. Just like you said, so are drug dealers. Just because someone performs a service for money, i.e. drug dealers doesn’t mean you can’t think they are shameful. I think abortion doctors are shameful regardless of the service they provide, just like I would a drug dealer.

Well, a murderer met his fate.

Partial-birth abortions are murder and should be illegal in ALL cases.

@Eddie Dollars

Very good point….you’re at it again!

1 thing’s mos def 4 certain:

bible thumping, holier-than-thou, holy-roller hypocrites were ALL in the church that day.

Abortion doctor worshiping the word of God.

Check.

Murderer doing the same.

Check.

All I know is, al-qaeda jihadists also believe in killing “heathens” in the name of Allah, so I guess that’s somehow justified as well.

SMH.

@jj

I made that same argument to someone recently. There are many people in history that have impacted all of our lives to this day that could have been victims of abortion. I don’t judge anyone but IMHO abortion gets in the way of the natural order of life. There are great things that could have been accomplished by someone in our past but they didn’t get a chance to do it because they were aborted.

@kahmillion,

“They talk about not having abortions (as if it is their bodies) and when the kids come they don’t have good jobs for the parents (even if the parents when to school), they don’t want to help the parents with the kids. When the kids end up in jail, they say how much of a bad parent “you” are.”

Birth control. You Democrats ever heard of it? That way you will not get pregnant. You cant have an abortion if you arent pregnant. You wont get pregnant if you use birth control.

@MiMi,

“Those Pro-lifers aren’t going to adopt any of those children that they “supposedly” want to save, or provide for these children’s welfare.”

If you are in a position that you need someone to provide something for you after you have children than perhaps you should have used birth control. Birth control is a lot cheaper than an abortion and far cheaper than using kids. Why cant you people just use birth control?

@Jamaican+Puerto Rican+Dominican=Me

You make it sound like if you had the baby, you would have had to keep it.

You could have dropped it off at hospital steps 1 hour after birth and never ever have seen it again.

Here’s the truth, you were scared to have the baby. To have to look into it’s beautiful eyes. You were scared that you would be seduced by the baby’s beauty and would WANT to keep him or her.

So… you make an excuse and say that there are too many people in this world..blah blah blah..

Sorry sis, I know you have sold that shite to yourself to sleep better at night but it’s crap.

You dont want a baby, give it away to others who want one or here’s something novel..keep your legs together and dont let a man plant his seed.

Sick and tired of women who treat a baby killing like its liposuction.

I spit on you hoes…

@Kigali

If you are in a position that you need someone to provide something for you after you have children than perhaps you should have used birth control. Birth control is a lot cheaper than an abortion and far cheaper than using kids. Why cant you people just use birth control?

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I swear some women act like they are allergic to getting on some form of birth control. It’s ridiculous…

@bb,

“What was the ABORTION DOCTOR doing in the house of the lord

That in itself is a CONTRADICTION”

The Church needs to kick a lot of people out of the church. The Church these days doesnt have a back bone.

It’s easy to make a value judgement about what somebody else needs to do, but until you understand where they coming from, you need to reserve judgment. All I’m saying that in certain cases, abortion may be the right answer for a woman.

@MiMi,

“It’s a gut-wrenching personal decision and I’m sure that woman agonize over it for a very long time. It’s a complicated and painful issue.”

She should have had a gut wrenching experience about what type of birth control to use. She should have agonized over that like so many other women do. That way, she wouldnt have to have an abortion.

Even if a woman wants to use abortion as a form of birth control, that is her right and her choice? It is not ours.

@MiMi,

“Even if a woman wants to use abortion as a form of birth control, that is her right and her choice?”

Hopefully not for long. Considering there are so many forms of birth control out there… You females are so evil. Then you have the nerve to call men evil.

As I said before, I don’t think a woman gets up and gets her hair and nail done; goes shopping and thinks “I think I’ll have an abortion today.” People are acting as though, it’s some simple thing and it’s not. We don’t need to be telling people what is right for them, because we are not going to be living with the problem.

wtf u cant kill someone just because they dont agree with your opinion . and theyre PRO LIFE? hypocrites!!!!!! two wrongs dont make a right . u cant impose ur views on others like that .

@MiMi,

“We don’t need to be telling people what is right for them, because we are not going to be living with the problem.”

Wonderful. So I guess we shouldnt tell pregnant women not to smoke or drink while they are pregnant. We are not going to be living with the problem. Or if someone doesnt want to educate their daughters. We will not say anything because we are not going to be living with the problem. We arent an island. We will be living with the problem in one way or another.

@Jamaican + Puerto Rican,

Buddha isnt a God.

Even if you are retarded, stupid, lazy, dumb, fat, ugly, want a boy instead of a girl or whatever, you should have access to a safe abortion….if you want one. No knitting needles, clothes hangers or your grandmother’s herbs.

@MiMi

“No knitting needles, clothes hangers or your grandmother’s herbs.”

No but we do have medically tested and FDA approved pills, condoms, depo, IUD, sterilization, the female condom, etc. Stop making excuses.

@Plastic007,

“AND THATS FINE y bring a child in a unstable enviroment….. point blank”

Because every woman in this country has access to birth control. She doesnt have to get pregnant IF SHE DOESNT WANT TO.

I think its funny how all of a sudden a woman is so worried about her body when she wants an abortion but not worried enough to use protection with a raw dik inside her.

“This man’s abortion center was cited on several occasions for being a filthy mess. He performed numerous late term abortions. He pummped huge sums of money into Sebilias (sp) hands and now she is being considered for office by Obama. More abortions are perfomed on Black women and abortion centers are located in or near Black neighborhoods. We average only .9 children per family when you need 2.5 children to replace the family. White families and other minorities are producing enough children to continue their race.
Plan Parenthood was started by a racist whose goal was to decrease the Black population. She HAS succeeded. If this keeps up our plight will be like the Native Americans-almost extinct. Though I don’t agree with murder I certainly will NOT cry for a legally sanctioned BLACK BABY KILLER!!!!”

This is a bunch of bullchit! I have NEVER heard of abortion clinics in predominately black areas..

@pm,

“I think its funny how all of a sudden a woman is so worried about her body when she wants an abortion but not worried enough to use protection with a raw dik inside her.”

I love you!

@Kigali
No but we do have medically tested and FDA approved pills, condoms, depo, IUD, sterilization, the female condom, etc. Stop making excuses.
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You speak of birth control as if it is FREE! Have you noticed that the pro life organizers and politicians have lobbied insurance companies to NOT cover these forms of birth control for women? You are very critical but appear to be EXTREMELY ignorant to facts outside of your useless criticism and hatred of Black women.

The price of birth control has risen over several hundred percent and insurance companies continue to NOT cover them. Because I am an educator employed by the state, I am fortunate enough to have my almost $200. prescription covered by health insurance. I support access to birth control as well, however, unlike you, I volunteer and contribute to organizations pushing to make birth control more affordable for women.

“If you are in a position that you need someone to provide something for you after you have children than perhaps you should have used birth control. Birth control is a lot cheaper than an abortion and far cheaper than using kids. Why cant you people just use birth control?”

Maybe African women should consider abortion and then they won’t keep bringing all these AIDS infected babies into the world that white people have to go over there and adopt cause they’re orphans by the time their one.

@Kigali

yawn. You use the same arguments every week. But please continue to entertain yourself.

@Kigali..lol..I can’t handle the pitbulls..like u do.. so I will continue lurking for now.

i know someone who uses abortion like birth control.
she’s on her 6th abortion. PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE DISGUSTING. TAKE THE PILL, GET THE NUEVA RING, WHERE A CONDOM, CLOSE YOUR FKNG LEGS.

I don’t believe in abortion. It’s terrible. And performing them post 12 weeks is – unspeakable. HOWEVER, I still vote PRO-CHOICE because I do not believe anyone should have the right to dictate what goes on with my body. It’s a personal decision.

But to take another person’s life to protest? Ridiculous. I’m sure that their reasoning is that…despite the obvious hypocrisy… killing this man will save countless lives. He’s probably taken hundreds of lives. One more, HIS, and for pure reasons I’m sure they believe God will forgive. It’s kinda the same wack philosophy the crazy-a$$ Muslims have when chopping off an infidels head for Allah.

I don’t feel sorry for this guy, OR his family. But I certainly don’t condone killing. What kind of man could do this for a living? What kind of black soul could he possibly have? And to read that he was PROUD that he offered this service? makes me sick to my stomach.

The fact still remains that this Doctor was a ACTIVE MEMBER in a church that states that the BODY is a TEMPLE and he was RIPPING out Children Willy nilly

To make it worse he was performing Abortions on women that nobody else would touch because they were very HIGH RISK.

I do not condone the actions of the pro-lifer but that doctor had no CONSIENCE

And for those Deluded enough to WORRY about African women with aids
Why not take the time to look closer to home like the rampant increase of HIV in the Washington DC area

its sad, but his murder will reduce the future number of late time abortions by at least two maybe?

theres a difference between 4 week abortion and 21 week abortion just like theres a difference between abortion and killing a one week old baby.

@ Kigali-INTERdependent Black Woman

Thanks.

This should not be warfare, just passionate dialog.

There is a difference.

“Other than having a doctor come to me and tell me that my child was severely deformed and that giving birth would probably kill me, I CANNOT FIND ANOTHER REASON IN MY MIND WHERE ABORTION COULD POSSIBLLY BE JUSTIFIED.”

In YOUR mind however you do not control the mind of anyone else. I don’t get why if abortion is so wrong to some you that you just dont do it. Who are you to say what is justified to others?

@ From Experience, good comeback to ignorance. I dont give a damn what another person on this earth thinks of me because we all have flaws.

“It is not supposed to make sense to you. It makes sense to the woman who made that decision.”

BIBLE! And all these so called self righteous n!ggs up in here need to realize that. People always wanna judge people over something and I bet their lives are no better put togther than those they are judging. Again if they start having these babies and going on the county for assistance these azzholes would be in here judging them over that to.

@ Kigali you should be careful who you judge and what you say. You just might find yourself in a similiar situation or worse. You are not above making mistakes.

@ Kigali

YAWNNNNNNNNNNN!

“I bet every female that had an appointment with him that monday after he died is keeping the babies..Now thats God in action.”

I hope God gives you the extra money you will have to fork-up to support the welfare lines.

My mother had an ectopic pregnancy and her life as in danger. She and the doctor immediately agreed to terminate the pregnancy. Now if she had to listen to a pro-lifer/Xtian he’d be dead by now. These religious fanatics really scare me… it wasn’t too long ago when fanatics used the Bible to prove that the curse of Cain was black skin and Canaan received a curse from Noah of servitude.

The Bible can brainwash people who cannot think for themselves and realise that not everything is Black or White and that to judge people and say they deserve to die because of what some book says shows how hypocrite some of you really are!

@ Sick to my stomach
I vote Pro-Choice because I stand on my principle that the government, NO MAN, should ever ever have any say on what I do with my body. And what I do, I will answer to God for….
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Saying that you are PERSONALLY against abortion but can still differentiate between personal belief and public policy is a position I can respect. Kudos.

@ Kigali or whatever you just need to pipe down boo because you are talking out the side of your neck now. I could go on for days but I can’t school you. Just do you baby thats all I can tell you. You have too much time on our hands to be putting someone else down for the choices they make in life. Its not your place, like I said be careful what you say. And I’m done. Ignorance bores me.

@Black Bytch.
“I hope God gives you the extra money you will have to fork-up to support the welfare lines.”

Obama said we have spead the wealth didnt he..or was that Jesus.

@bb,

Doesnt Washington DC have rates of HIV/Aids compareable to states in Africa? Some of these black Americans have a lot of nerve. How did they turn the nations capital, the wealthiest, freest and most technologically advanced country into one that can be compared to the third world.

@bb,

I wouldnt mind at all if I were African. Ghanians seem like a wonderful people. I would love to party with Ghanaians too. NOw nigerians on the other hand… tutt tutt tuttu.

@ Sick to my stomach
And I haven’t read much of the above threads but I see that you had an abortion in college. I’m sorry to hear that. I have some very close friends who have and they tell me it’s something you never forget, the guilt stays with you forever. But that’s between you and God. I cannot judge your actions. Who am I.
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No, please dont feel sorry. I am not. I have no guilt and realized what was the best decision for me. I believe women who have guilt are those who didn’t weigh all their options and therefore make a decision that they are not sure about. I weight EVERY option, I even researched schools that had family living campuses. And made the best decision for my life.

@bb,

Gambians are cool too. I have some Gambian friends and they are quite nice. Need to meet a Senegalese now. Big up to all my Francophone heads.

Abortion is a complicated issue and I don’t believe that if a person makes a mistake and gets pregnant that they should have to be made to suffer for it for their entire lives.

Even my mother who got pregnant with me would have had a much better life if she had had an abortion. I may not have been here, but I think that she would have had a more satisfying and productive life.

LOL

@Kigali

I wouldnt mind at all if I were African. Ghanians seem like a wonderful people. I would love to party with Ghanaians too. NOw nigerians on the other hand… tutt tutt tuttu.”
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You are sooooo funny

I just don’t get it at all. If men were the ones who got pregnant there would be no debate. A woman has the right to choose. Simple as that. This man broke no laws yet he can have his life taken. The very people who claim to be pro-life do not support any social programs for the baby once it is here! This is a choice the woman has to make and deal with. Since when did MEN get the right to tell women what to do with their bodies? I mean really? Abortion has been going for ages! These same people do not want to fund B/C or any type of family planning but you must have this baby?!?! It is funny how people can judge. A fetus in actuallity is a parasite until it comes out of the womb and breathes! It cannot live on its own out of the womb until about 5-7 months. if men just had a month of pregnacy they would be singing a different tune. How is it that MEN can make laws regarding a WOMAN’s Body…am I the only one who finds that strange? WE are not in Saudi Arabia!

@ MJ

Sorry, its NOT societies business. There is NOTHING in the medical community that suggests a FETUS is equivalent to a human being. Women were granted the right to choose because the court and the medical world realized a WOMAN is in the BEST position to make medical decisions for herself. While, I understand your EMOTIONAL argument, logically and medically you have none.

To somehow suggest that society should be able to determine what is best socially, emotionally and financially for women it paternalistic and we don’t need your help. As I said before, you want to stand outside of abortion clinics singing songs and waving posters of aborted fetuses (like they did on the day I went to have my abortion), more power to you. But to suggest society has a say in a woman’s uterus is where I draw the line.

SO, please do MIND your business. Thank You.

5 months of pregnancy is 20months

This man performed late abortions 21-27months

@bb
This man performed late abortions 21-27months
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Yes, he did..and?

@bb
Ok it is weeks and the only way to get the late term abortion is when the mother’s health is in danger. Very few abortions are late term and when they are it is very serious. No one is going into this lightly. Most of the times in the late term abortions the baby is very deformed and ill and if the mother continues on with it anyway her life could be lost as well. I think people forget how hard pregnancy and birth is on a woman’s body. before we had modern medicine the risks of dying in child birth were very high. But no one thinks of that. Most people are not having late term because they just up and decided they didn’t want the baby. How many people in their right mind would carry a child that long and then for no good reason just say oh well I don’t want this anymore. I mean really!

@Kigali,
Some of these people in here just don’t get it. Its a simple thing. If you are sexually active and not able or don’t want a baby, use birth control. Newsflash, birth control is still free. It’s free all day long at your clinic. If it isn’t, why risk bringing an innocent life into this world. Some people do use aborting as a form of birth control and that’s wrong. When you were getting your groove on and DECIDED to not use birth control because you were too damn lazy and just didn’t give a damn, you are dead wrong, period!! A fetus is a person. Some in society say it isn’t real, just a bunch of cells and you believe it because you are selfish. I don’t care how many degrees a person may have, apparently your higher learning couldn’t cure your stupidity and lack of common sense.

@Niasia,
Unfortunately not in all states. Some states it’s still legal to get late term abortions, even if the mother’s health is not in danger. IT’s disgusting.

“There is nothing in the medical community that suggests a Fetus is equivalent to a human”.
Where did you read or learn that?

@Sanjor,

Technically, we are all a bunch of cells.

@From Experience
Yes, he did..and?
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See wordtothewise’s post for the breakdown

@Niasia,

“An organism that grows, feeds, and is sheltered on or in a different organism while contributing nothing to the survival of its host.”

Great way to describe every black females living in government housing. Too bad we cant abort her ass.

WordtotheWise

The bottom line for some women is that a baby would prove inconvenient, thus it must be killed. So, let me pose this question if anyone has the guts to answer. If a baby is born and it’s an inconvenience, should it be killed too!
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Babies are not inconvenieces, they are life changing events forever. If any person has a child and they are not willing to do the right thing or perform the highest good by that child, I think that other arrangements should be made.

All of you rabid people who are foaming at the mouth because you believe that abortions are always wrong; that is your right to believe that. However, I don’t believe that. Sometimes the circumstances dictate that an abortion might be the right option.

I go back to saying that if you don’t believe in abortion, don’t have one or cause one.

No need to wait, sweetheart because, I don’t give a damn if it can live on it’s own or not. It’s dependent on its mother to give it life. That does not negate the fact that it is a human being. Now if you want to call your unborn baby (when or if you decide to have one) a parasite, so be it.

As far as animals eating their young, humans are supposedly (I doubt it at times) highest form of animal. We can think and reason. Animals cannot; they act on instinct. There are many reasons animals eat their young. They can’t be judged because they are doing what nature is telling them to do for whatever reason. We (humans) are not of that mindset.

@Niasia

Your comparison of a human being with the highest form of intelligence and an ability to think and rationalize beyond instinct to an……ANIMAL….is a quagmire…

@ From Experience

Sorry, its NOT societies business.

**Your Opinion.

There is NOTHING in the medical community that suggests a FETUS is equivalent to a human being. Women were granted the right to choose because the court and the medical world realized a WOMAN is in the BEST position to make medical decisions for herself.

**Women were granted the right to choose because more justices on a court said so. Doesn’t make it right, just legal.

While, I understand your EMOTIONAL argument, logically and medically you have none.

**Your opinion. Both sides of this debate have facts they can brandish.

To somehow suggest that society should be able to determine what is best socially, emotionally and financially for women it paternalistic and we don’t need your help. As I said before, you want to stand outside of abortion clinics singing songs and waving posters of aborted fetuses (like they did on the day I went to have my abortion), more power to you. But to suggest society has a say in a woman’s uterus is where I draw the line.

**Nonsense. Society determines what is good for groups of people ALL THE TIME. 18 years olds cant buy liquor. 12 year olds cant legally drive. The collective makes judgement calls about what is good for groups of people all the time in a democracy. It is a simple and simplistic argument to say it is paternalistic etc. If men want to tell women that they cannot have breast implants, that is paternalistic. We have a right to express our outrage when you kill a human being. This is not a simple issue but I resent women pulling that “men want to control me” bullshit.

SO, please do MIND your business. Thank You.

**This is my business so I will.

@ Word to the wise
The bottom line for some women is that a baby would prove inconvenient, thus it must be killed. So, let me pose this question if anyone has the guts to answer. If a baby is born and it’s an inconvenience, should it be killed too!
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There you go equivocating. Please show me where the medical community has PROVEN that a fetus is a baby? It is not, therefore, you cannot use the argument that because it is okay to abort a fetus due to inconvenience, it must be also true that you can kill an actual baby that is outside of the woman’s body. As far as your medical breakdown, this issue for me has ALWAYS been whether or not I believe women or the government should decide whether or not a woman should maintain a pregnancy, I always choose the women. Telling me about a fetus ability to feel pain is irrelevant to my conclusion on the issue.

“I go back to saying that if you don’t believe in abortion, don’t have one or cause one.”
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and if you aren’t married, can’t take care of or a baby will simply inconvenience you, TAKE SOME DAMN BIRTH CONTROL

@ From experience

But to suggest society has a say in a woman’s uterus is where I draw the line.

** Nobody cares about your uterus. Its the baby that you make that we care about. The baby you don’t want and want to kill. You can do whatever you want with your uterus.

@ Mj
Nonsense. Society determines what is good for groups of people ALL THE TIME. 18 years olds cant buy liquor. 12 year olds cant legally drive. The collective makes judgement calls about what is good for groups of people all the time in a democracy. It is a simple and simplistic argument to say it is paternalistic etc. If men want to tell women that they cannot have breast implants, that is paternalistic. We have a right to express our outrage when you kill a human being. This is not a simple issue but I resent women pulling that “men want to control me” bullshit.
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NOPE! nice try. There is nothing that suggests an 18 year old not being able to buy liquor will damage their lives socially, emotionally or financially. No matter how hard you try to deny it, abortion is a MEDICAL procedure and society needs to come up with an AMAZING reason as to why women should be denied this medical procedure. So, please take your “your killing human beings” emotional rhetoric to someone who is uneducated enough to cry all over them self. I am NOT one of those people.

@ MJ
** Nobody cares about your uterus. Its the baby that you make that we care about. The baby you don’t want and want to kill. You can do whatever you want with your uterus.
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You CLEARLY know nothing about the woman’s body! Where does a fetus grow? On my forehead?

@Love is the Answer, I’m glad you were able to get out of an abusive situation, and God does forgive. But for those who use an abortions as a form of birth control, remember the sun shines on the good and the bad. Just because it’s been gravy or good for them ever since doesn’t mean those blessings are from god.

@ Sanjor
There is nothing in the medical community that suggests a Fetus is equivalent to a human”.
Where did you read or learn that?
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Are you really that ignorant that you don’t know the medical community refers to a fetus as a fetus? You really don’t know that the debate about when life begins is more a religious than medical debate? You really don’t know that a doctor always views the WOMAN as the patient and not the fetus? sad.

FUK THAT DR. OF DEATH ,.HIM KILLING ALL THOSE BABIES WHO NEVER GO A CHANCE TO LIVE ,.GOOD RIDDANCE DOC, NOW YOU KNOW HOW IT FEEELS TO BE NOT WANTED!

@MiMi,

“My brothers don’t believe in abortions either. They also don’t believe in paying their child support either. They don’t believe in visiting their children on a regular basis. They don’t believe in attending school plays and PTA meetings.”

And a good way to avoid a situation like that is to get pregnant by your husband only and not knocked up by your sorry as brothers. I wouldnt let your brothers smell it.

@Niasia

If you took humans out of the equation the earth would be a way better place.

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I guess that further validates your position on this issue. smh…

From Experience>>>You prove to me where the medical community said it WASN’T a human. Some would be to differ with you. For those who choose to abort, it’s easy for the pro-choice radicals to say stuff like you and Mimi stated. And even if they provided evidence that a fetus is not a human, I still and will always believe it is at the time of conception. Believe what you will, okay.

As I’ve stated countless time, I didn’t say the government should tell a woman whether or not she has the right to an abortion. I simply said for the last damn time said I DON’T AGREE WITH IT. If you want to have a million abortions, so be it okay. That’s going to be on every woman’s head that chooses to do so. Okay. I’m done!

@ Kigali

booooo. Those were all medical procedures that violated the RIGHTS of an individual. Abortion is a a voluntary medical procedure, done at the request of the woman. Nice try though. ONE FOR THE STANKY HOES! lol.

excuse me, that wasn’t meant for Niasia, it was meant for From Experience

THIS DR. KILLED 10z OF THOUSANDS OF GOD LIL INNOCENT BABIES AND WORKED THE CHURCH AS AN USHER? NO SHAME ,..THIS BASTARD HAD NO GUILT!

My girlfriend who had a late term abortion at 6 months explained it like this. If her boyfriend was not willing to even marry her for just a few months and divorce her after the baby was born, how could she make a committment to his baby for the rest of her life?

Since he wasn’t willing to make even a small sacrifice for her, she shouldn’t make any for him.
He was not willing to marry her for three months and divorce her. She was not willing to carry that baby to term.

Who was right? I don’t know.

@ Niasia
I like how all people think Birth control is the answer. I know people who use condoms everytime and still had an oh by the way I am pregnant!
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That’s how I got pregnant. I used a condom, it popped and I decided to terminate my pregnancy. Even if I didn’t use a condom, it would still be my choice. I like to debate with anti-choice people because its fun. I know they are stuck in their emotional ways, and I am stuck in mine.

@From Experience

Yes that’s exactly what I’m saying. We do absolutely NOTHING positive for the earth. We are indeed parasites, but that doesn’t make us wrong – that’s just the way evolution happened

@from lack of experience,
No I’m not ignorant. I know life begins at conception, that no matter how many degrees or what top university you went to doesn’t make certain people smart or have common sense,(you) or that when I was pregnant with my two kids not only did they need my body as a “host” for survival but, emotionally and spiritually they did contribute to my life. To me you are the one that is sad and misinformed.

@ wordtothesise
You prove to me where the medical community said it WASN’T a human. Some would be to differ with you. For those who choose to abort, it’s easy for the pro-choice radicals to say stuff like you and Mimi stated. And even if they provided evidence that a fetus is not a human, I still and will always believe it is at the time of conception. Believe what you will, okay.
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I don’t need to prove shit. You are the one who did not do research on where the medical community stands on the issue. I always laugh at the word radical because it appears people like to THROW that word around as if it deteriorates the arguments of another individual. Yes, I am a pro choice radical. now what?

“And even if they provided evidence that a fetus is not a human, I still and will always believe it is at the time of conception.”

This further proves your are an emotional and irrational individual. Good bye.

If you believe abortion is just a medical procedure, then one could argue that shooting someone who gets on your nerves or makes life inconvenient for you is also just a medical procedure. Everybody strap up – and I’m talking about guns not condoms

@ sanjor
No I’m not ignorant. I know life begins at conception, that no matter how many degrees or what top university you went to doesn’t make certain people smart or have common sense,(you) or that when I was pregnant with my two kids not only did they need my body as a “host” for survival but, emotionally and spiritually they did contribute to my life. To me you are the one that is sad and misinformed.
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Yawn! I dont care about how you feel about your kids. That is not the issue, we are not questioning your motherhood skills but rather your reasoning skills. Please show me WHERE it has been proven that life begins at conception? I will wait…

Yes, your kids contributed to your life AFTER they were born. geez…stop crying over yourself already.

@ come on

If you believe abortion is just a medical procedure, then one could argue that shooting someone who gets on your nerves or makes life inconvenient for you is also just a medical procedure. Everybody strap up – and I’m talking about guns not condoms
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That was REALLY bad logic. Please show me how that make sense. I will wait.

@From Experience

Umm…your statement is illogical. My point is simply that society makes regulations over groups of people all the time. Controlling a woman’s uterus would not be unprecedented. We make laws to control human beings all the time. Heck even suicide is illegal and thats your own body! I don’t want to make you “cry all over yourself” I am simply stating facts and my opinion. I find this all really amusing.

@ Mj
Nonsense. Society determines what is good for groups of people ALL THE TIME. 18 years olds cant buy liquor. 12 year olds cant legally drive. The collective makes judgement calls about what is good for groups of people all the time in a democracy. It is a simple and simplistic argument to say it is paternalistic etc. If men want to tell women that they cannot have breast implants, that is paternalistic. We have a right to express our outrage when you kill a human being. This is not a simple issue but I resent women pulling that “men want to control me” bullshit.
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NOPE! nice try. There is nothing that suggests an 18 year old not being able to buy liquor will damage their lives socially, emotionally or financially. No matter how hard you try to deny it, abortion is a MEDICAL procedure and society needs to come up with an AMAZING reason as to why women should be denied this medical procedure. So, please take your “your killing human beings” emotional rhetoric to someone who is uneducated enough to cry all over them self. I am NOT one of those people.

@lack of experience,
Please show me where life doesn’t begin at conception, I’ll wait. Oh, and don’t presume to tell me that carrying my kids didn’t contribute to my life. How would you know, you killed your child remember, ms. I used a condom and it popped and didn’t have enough sense to call your doctor to ask for a high dose of birth control to prevent conception.

@From Experience,

“Abortion is a a voluntary medical procedure, done at the request of the woman. Nice try though. ONE FOR THE STANKY HOES! lol.”

Voluntary for whom? We know life begins at conception. You are debating the quality of that life and based on your devaluation of it, you feel it can be destroyed. Well when you have your stroke, and you become a parasite, you should be destroyed because the quality of your life has gone far down. Youre even more useless than a dog.

@ From Experience

*sigh*

You clearly are not listening. Society doesn’t care about your UTERUS but the FETUS. The fact that they are connected is tangential. Technically speaking, the government isn’t trying to control your BODY PARTS but the parts of another human being.

Before you start rambling and disagreeing, I am stating the position of society. Hate it or love it, thats up to you, at least listen and understand the difference before you respond.

@ MJ
** Nobody cares about your uterus. Its the baby that you make that we care about. The baby you don’t want and want to kill. You can do whatever you want with your uterus.
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You CLEARLY know nothing about the woman’s body! Where does a fetus grow? On my forehead?

@From Experience

Abortion = killing an unborn baby for whatever reason (parent(s) can’t take care of it, mental/physical handicap, etc.)

Murder = killing an already born baby for whatever reason (commits crime, mental/physical handicap, etc)

Your only argument throughout this entire comment section is that an unborn baby is not a person and thus does not deserve the same rights as a person, correct?

@lack of experience,
explain to me your logic in knowing when the condom popped, waiting to confirm your pregnancy, then deciding to trot on down to the doctor to have an abortion?

@Come On!

“Your only argument throughout this entire comment section is that an unborn baby is not a person and thus does not deserve the same rights as a person, correct?”

Basically. She has got the Peter Singer disease.

@nyob,

Actually there hasnt been anyone here who has suggested that females should be barred from accessing birth control. That is the catholic church.

Item 3 “pharmacist” not “pharmicist”

…this is the kind of rhetoric that riles up the H8 from Faux News, Rush Limpballs, Hannity-the-Manatee, Falafel Orally and the rest of the right wing nuts…

…what the fugg is an ABORTION DOCTOR??!!!!…

…there is no degree in medicine called abortion…

…he was an OB/GYN …not an ABORTION DOCTOR…

sheesh!!

Umm…your statement is illogical. My point is simply that society makes regulations over groups of people all the time. Controlling a woman’s uterus would not be unprecedented. We make laws to control human beings all the time. Heck even suicide is illegal and thats your own body! I don’t want to make you “cry all over yourself” I am simply stating facts and my opinion. I find this all really amusing.
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I have no interest in your amusement.
Actually my statement is perfectly logical. We make decisions that regulate people’s behavior on the basis of the “harm principle”. For the most part, society believes that you have the right to do whatever you wish, so long as you do not harm others OUTSIDE of yourself (a fetus doesn’t meet that definition). I suggest you read, “On Liberty by J.S. Mills. What you are asking is for society to regulate was is best for an assumed person inside of a real person. The problem is that society would have to prove that forcing women to maintain their pregnancy is the BEST decision for THAT WOMAN. You are asking women to be forced to do something for the interest of someone else (which really isn’t even a person in the first place) I would LOVE to see you make that argument.

Let us also not forget, that assisted suicide is becoming legal in the united states slowly. Not to mention, I cannot find any documented cases where someone in modern history was charged with attempting to commit suicide and did not harm anyone outside of themselves.
They are usually sent to treatment facilities. Suicide is illegal so that people attempt suicide can receive treatment, not to actually criminalize their behavior.
I know you would love nothing more than to see the day when women lose their rights to choose, but women and men (with balls) have fought hard and strong to prevent that. As countries that have banned abortion and even arrest women who receive them have shown, countries with no access to legal abortions not only place the lives of women in danger but also have the HIGHEST abortion rates in the world.

Now, while I would love nothing more than to go back and forth with a male about a woman’s right, my grandparents just got back from the Caribbean and I want to see if they brought me back any Puncha Kuba!

@ Kigali

The Catholic Church is not the only group that believes this; they are just the most vocal. Some fundamentalists believe the same thing.

If you read my post, I didn’t say anyone here is supporting that line of thinking. However, some of the radical groups that take it so far as to kill the doctors that provide abortions DO believe this.

@ Come on
Your only argument throughout this entire comment section is that an unborn baby is not a person and thus does not deserve the same rights as a person, correct?
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NOPE! my argument is women are in the best position to make decisions about whether or not they choose to maintain their pregnancy. I also believe that it is a human rights violation to prevent women from accessing these services. I couldn’t care less about whether or not a fetus is a person. That is not my issue. my issue is protecting the rights of women to make these decisions. Defining or not defining a fetus as a person is more of an issue with semantics than with the actual debate about whether or not women should be allowed to access safe and legal abortion services.

nyob

4. Funny how pro-lifers always want to tell women to have their babies but where are they when feeding, clothing and schooling time arrives? NOWHERE.
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How do you know what people are doing to help these mothers? Any research??? Anyway, it’s not my responsibility to raise someone else’s kid. Look, if you want to abort, GO FOR IT. The last time I checked, it wasn’t illegal. I’m outta here.

@ Mimi

You are right, I forgot about that! I was speaking more about taking a more substantive posture as oppose to the usual rhetoric.

@really lacking experience and basic, plain common sense,
Did I touch a nerve? Didn’t you state above that the condom popped and you chose to have an abortion? Go look again if you forgot, you posted it at 5:42. So after the condom popped you waited until you missed a cycle, confirmed you were pregnant, then you trotted to the phone called a friend to pick you up and took you to have an abortion. Wow!! You just proved how stupid you are.

@nyob

Thanks for adding a logical stance to the issue. I’m learning to simply say: ” I’m pro choice” and keep it moving because after a while, the arguments become old. I do my part by electing pro choice officials and donating to pro choice institutions. After seeing what women who live in anti choice countries go through, I cant understand how anyone could possible view the abortion debate as anything LESS than a woman’s issue. I am amazed how people totally skip the most important person in this debate (THE WOMAN) to give a “voice” to the fetus.

@nyob.

Correct me if I am wrong but no one has yet to be killed because they provided birth control to women. I dont hear much debate on whether people should be using condoms or not. Again, its mainly the Church and other superstitious people.

@Sanjor

Yes there is emergency contraception.

Has anyone noticed through out the ENTIRE thread…it goes like this…”well if SHE had made the correct choices. If SHE had used birth control. I wonder why all the weight is on the WOMAN in this situation….Because it is her body and her CHOICE.

Again this is not a decision to be made by a man. If men were the ones to have to carry this weight around there would be no discussion. Abortions for everyone. But since it the woman’s reproductive system in question the MEN feel they have the right to weigh in. When you have the abiity to carry a child for 9 months then you can weigh in on what can and can’t be done. simple as that!

And in case anyone noticed there is about 6 BILLION mofos on this earth…way too many!

@From Experience,

“After seeing what women who live in anti choice countries go through, I cant understand how anyone could possible view the abortion debate as anything LESS than a woman’s issue.”

Hoebot… you live in a country where women have access to medical care, are literate, and have access to birth control. Women in those countries probably dont have access to any of the above let alone an abortion. You aint never walked in their shoes accept that if you told them they could control their births, unlike your stupid ass, they would.

@Sanjor
@really lacking experience and basic, plain common sense,
Did I touch a nerve? Didn’t you state above that the condom popped and you chose to have an abortion? Go look again if you forgot, you posted it at 5:42. So after the condom popped you waited until you missed a cycle, confirmed you were pregnant, then you trotted to the phone called a friend to pick you up and took you to have an abortion. Wow!! You just proved how stupid you are.
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LOL! This is what I LOVE!!!Please do continue to change my name.
Basic biology has proven a woman usually cannot confirm pregnancy for at least 3weeks after fertilization. So, I continued with my classes and continued living my life until I realized my cycle did not pay me a visit this month. I did not call a friend drive me to a private practice, don’t worry about who I called.
I love nothing more than people who attempt to pretend that no matter what someone says, it will “prove” they are stupid, dumb, lacking of common sense, yadaydayda.
If you read any other post, you would have known that once I found out I was pregnant, I spend several weeks weighing all of my options, including researching colleges that had family living dorms. Nevertheless, abortion was the best option for ME!
Lastly, you are incapable of striking a nerve. I have published memoir pieces about my abortion, spoke publicly about it at Columbia, I have even signed my name onto the “Ms Magazine” I had an abortion page, that is done every year around the anniversary of roe v wade. Do yourself a favor and stop being so dramatic.

I am pro choice and will live the rest of my life fighting for that cause. Good day.

@kigali
Please research. Women who live in these countries do not have access to these things because the GOVERNMENT decided for them that women should not be able to access these services. The LOGIC behind my argument is that we cannot and should not ban abortion in this country because doing so will cause harm to women.

Signing off,
Hoebot!

LOL! has anyone noticed that there is a Nuvaring ad in the abortion thread? Interesting.

@kigali

So your point is? These groups look at all birth control as wrong with abortion being the most extreme. You stated that “Again, its mainly the Church and other superstitious people”. These “superstitious people” work the weakminded amoung them into a lather and they go out and kill some doctor. Nine times out of ten, once they look into the background of most of these folks, they belong to some group that believes all birth control should be banned, that includes condoms, pills, IUDs, diaphragms, etc. NO CONTRACEPTION PREVENTION ALLOWED.

The reason why they don’t kill people who provide contraception (pharmacies, drug store, etc.) is where would they even begin? Protesting in front of an abortion clinic is attractive and easy. Abortion clinics are not on every corner like your drug store or pharmacy.

If you may recall, one of the main reasons why RU-486 was protested so vigorously, was along with the usual rhetoric, if a woman could abort in the privacy of her own home, where would they protest? How do we bully females if they are in their homes?

One of the reasons you don’t hear that much protesting anymore about condoms is in addition to birth control, they also assist in the prevention of some STDs.

@from Experience

Isn’t funny how others can judge so easily and then follow up with assinine comments. Congrats on the MA I need to go ahead get one myself. And I had to make the choice as well and I just fine by it!

@lack of experience,
just in case you sign back on later, which I’m sure you will. Don’t assume that many people who post on this sight haven’t gone to Ivy league schools, don’t have PHDs or own their own companies. Assuming makes you an ass! Say hi to your grandparents for me.

No, I’m not trying to hurt you. You’ve already hurt yourself. Atleast I layed on my back with my husband. I enjoyed every minute of it too.

@ Niasia

Thanks! But, I pay these people no mind. They think they can bully women into feeling bad about their decisions and then when that doesn’t work, they resort to name calling and sexually degrading comments. Doesn’t work. so, I laugh (literally) and move forward. When its all said and done, I will close this browser and move on, while Sanjor will sit at home steaming.

The comments and name calling reflect a sense of defeat and insecurity. As someone who speaks publicly about my abortion, name calling doesn’t do anything to me.

But, do go back to school, especially now, because everything is so competitive you need to set yourself a part from everyone else.

@ Sanjor
No, I’m not trying to hurt you. You’ve already hurt yourself. Atleast I layed on my back with my husband. I enjoyed every minute of it too.
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Who you lay on your back with doesn’t change the fact you were laying on your back. Boy, you chicks kill me. Nope, hurting myself would have been being a mother before I was ready. and trust I enjoyed every minute (and it was a LOT of minutes) too.

Grandparents are here and I think I see PUNCHA KUBA!!!!

Im pro choice, it was da guy’s choice to kill da doctor!

@Niasia,
Honey get some therapy. Being married is wonderful. Yes, some men do cheat, sleep with other women and men, but does that mean I should be scared to get married and provide my kids with a mother and father who are committed to each other? This isn’t the case with every marriage. Is that what happened to you or your mom? Don’t be mad because I am living my dream of having a family, a home, good credit and my own business and not having to sit up in some abortion clinic. Why don’t you keep an eye on your situation and not worry about mine. I’m sorry your life has been less than stellar.

I am a catholic and against abortion but killing an old doctor because of what he does is sin
and dis should be condemed bcos dis is an act of wickedness that tarnies the pro abortion goal and i think dat man deserved a right despite his job

I’m pro-choice……I just think the choices should be made before conception, not after.

@Illuminate Truth

Then you are NOT pro-choice.

@ from experience

LOL…no shit…its a play on words.

Just making the point that people want to make a choice rather to exterminate a pregnancy or not when the choices are there to be made before you even get pregnant….by BOTH the man AND woman.

Abortion goes against a women’s natural instinct, which is to give life, not take it away.

@LoisLane,

There is nothing natural about the neo-female.

@From Experience,

“What’s wrong with happy hour? Its fun! You need to lighten up. Its a great time for me and my girls, to eat, laugh, dance and enjoy our young lives.”

So thats why you had the abortion.

Is it safe to enter??

Keep abortion legal & available.

Lol at the black bytch.

This is dispicable to gun a man down in a place of worship. No one has the right to exact retribution for someones wrongdoings by ending their life.

This Doctors line of work is morally questionable and may be described as reprehensible but this assassin had no right to take his life. Only God can judge him accordingly.

The person who shed his blood is not a man of honor or perfection. This was not an act of righteousness. No one is above error. Every man in all walks of life will be held accountable for his actions.

No one has the right to exact retribution for someones wrongdoings by ending their life.

sorry for the typo . I didn’t mean to write the last paragraph twice

Too many people are invoking their views while trying to impede others. You may not agree with someones values, morals or code of conduct, but it is their cross to bear.

These radical abortionist, including Peta have extreme abusive tactics in order to gain supporters for their cause. Threatening, harassing, and murdering is unjustified. It negates everything they stand for.

Whites are so extreme, always trying to force their beliefs and views on others, as if they know what’s best for everyone. They make me sick!!!

Did this doctor force the patients to have sex, get pregnant and then get an abortion? No matter how you feel women will still get abortions even if abortion illegal. Going to a doctor is a safe way of getting an abortion. That is a person decesion for a woman and you people have no right judging them.

@ Kigali

I see I am making you upset. Thank You.

@ Kigali
“What’s wrong with happy hour? Its fun! You need to lighten up. Its a great time for me and my girls, to eat, laugh, dance and enjoy our young lives.”

So thats why you had the abortion.
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And?

Seem like he got aborted.

Doen’t do nothing to help the cause.

@ Lois Lane, you made some good points. Please ignore the following dumb quote,” Deal with your regret that you were not smart enough to weigh all your options before terminating your pregnancy and leave other fully capable women to make theirs”. Because evidently this dummy didn’t know that after the condom popped she could have went to the doctor for emergency birth control. Apparently, she wasn’t fully capable either. With that being said, enjoy your day Lois Lane. I’m going to take my kids to gymnastics, meet hubby for lunch, then I’m going to my catering business. Whoa!! Did I say my catering business, I forgot I’m not suppose to own a business, because I’m only defined by a ring and having a husband, lol.

Sad to see that this thread is disintegrating into personal insults and anger.

It is so sad.

@ Sanjor

Child please. Stop worrying about my condom. Stop being selective in what yo choose to read because you would have read that I DID use EC and STILL ended up pregnant. Lois Lane needs to deal with her own guilt and stop assuming other women will feel the same.
I know it makes you feel good to try to degrade me, but at the end of the day, we all have to make the decisions that best suit our lives. Abortion was my BEST option for my life at that moment and That is EXACTLY what I did. You should do the same. You choose to have children and I am sure you feel good about YOUR decision. Unlike you, I can express my opinions without insults, as a grown woman with children, you should learn to do the same.

@ Sanjor
I forgot I’m not suppose to own a business, because I’m only defined by a ring and having a husband, lol.
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Stop being selective in what you read. If you read my ENTIRE post, not only did I say I wish you the best in your marriage, I also did not agree with the comments about your husband being secretly gay or wishing your marriage harm. What I DID say is that women should be able to disagree without trying to degrade women based on their relationship status because it appears they NEED a man to validate them. Please learn to read.

I have a busy day ahead. Good bye.

friedrich nietzche said god is dead

As a physician I can tell you without a doubt abortion is murder.No matter what name you give it, its still the taking of a human life.I hear a lot of talk about the rights of the mom but what about the right of that child to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. The womb should be the safest place in the world for a child but in america today it is one of the most dangerous places to be.

Mimi said it best – fully agree with you.

bb – this doctor was performing late term abortions on women whose lives were threatened by their pregnancy. It ok for a woman to die so a fetus doesn’t? And then who takes care of that child? Get your facts straight.

This is a sad day for American women. RIP Dr. Tiller. My prayers go out to your wife and children. Thank you for standing up for a woman’s right to choose what she does with HER body. To force a woman to give birth against her will is a gross human rights violation.

@ From Experience – thank you for sharing your story. Very brave of you.

@ Lila

Thanks, I do not view it as brave, just me stating the facts.

@ H. Oath

The womb is not the most dangerous place on earth, please stop being so dramatic. MOST pregnancies are brought to term. Unfortunately, for your cause, a fetus does not have the right to life, liberty or anything else if the mother chooses to not grant that.

A fetus having rights, would have to override the right of an actual human being. Abortion access is not only a woman’s right but also a public health issue. As a “physician” you should know that..

lila you full of hogwash

Honestly, after reading all of these posts, the one thing that remains clear in each(including the racist angry ones), is if EVERYONE and I mean EVERYONE, focused more on what’s best for their own lives and well being, the murder of the doctor would never have happened. On the other side, as time goes on and more women placed more focus on their own bodies ahead of time (b/c u only live your own life), then the number of abortions would decrease as well. In the times we live in, an ever increasing number of women will not believe they must have a child even if a mistake occurred. Increasingly, more women than ever before do not have the same means or circumstances to be able to produce a productive, healthy member of society. In the past, a couple would get married in the event of a pregnancy and find ways to provide. Right or wrong, this is NOT the case today. And its not going to change, thus things are different…yes we can argue that one should use protection but at some point it doesn’t matter because the female is pregnant, move forward and decide what you can or cannot do. If you can, then by all means do whats best for you and bring as many children into this world as possible. We are not of one mind, thus differing opinions will occur regardless…thus minding ones OWN business is key to this debate. Point is, we live in a country where the rights of the individual trump all. Focus on your needs and what you need to make your life worth living in this world and stop worrying about others beliefs, thoughts, or opinions. Freedom is just that. If we didn’t have the freedom to decide which life altering events to partake in, whether u agree with abortion or not, we’d all be miserable.

I had an abortion and live with that choice, it is a hideously disguisting experience and I was young and naive. I have had to deal with post abortive stress by doing Christian counseling with other women who have had abortions-ALL were traumatized by the experience. Women who have had abortions and try to justify the murder of their unborn child are filled with hate and anger. They are stricken with grief and channel that into hate and anger. I don’t want anybody to suffer so please, ask Jesus to come into your heart and repent of your sins. I did and I mourned for my lost child. I don’t know what sort of a human being can stick sharp metal objects into a women’s vagina and rip a small human being out of it’s God given home. That is disguisting and I only think some sort of extremely high monetary gain could make a person justify doing that disguisting action.