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I don’t get this ish? Why be with another woman, then get fake man parts to satisfy!??! Makes no sense! Get a real man!!!!!!!!!

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SUPER-NEGRO HERE TO SAVE THE DAY…

DISREGARD THAT, I WAS JUST TESTING…

@ Man I just dont care™:

LOL…I knew you’d be in here.

because women can’t penetrate.

IT IS GAY…MOST WOMEN SEE IT AS BEING GAY…. MEN MAKE THAT DOUBLE STANDARD BECAUSE JUST ABOUT EVERY MAN’S FANTASY IS TO SLEEP WITH TWO OR MORE WOMEN AT THE SAME TIME…

LMAO Hannibal

Did we not have this debate just yesterday?????

@MIJDC

I disagree. Only those who want to see or take part in such activities and feel their chances will increase by not attaching the negative stigma that accompanies being gay to it so that others would be more comfortable with it feel this way. Everyone else has no problem calling a gay spade a gay spade.

I label them gay, too. But I’m a woman.
Men pick and choose social rules in this world as it pertains to them and their pleasure or benefit.

As friend of mine said, if men could get pregnant, abortions would be readily available and free with a purchase of a super-sized slurpie.

Double standards are an engrained part of our moral-less society.

Actually, neither images (this one of the women above me and the drawing of the two dudes) offended me. I thought they were funny as well.

@ Moreaces

Remember, I told you about the two young ladies in front of me in line. Well, i could’ve sworn one couldn’t keep her eyes off me, but of course that was part of my fantasy. Damn!

Naw, that’s a beautiful picture.

@ Man, I just don’t care

Yeah dawg, you feel me then on that ‘Sistas In the Hood’, didn’t know it was a series, damn!

@Man I just dont care:

Makes sense.

@Man I just don’t care

Is it braids or cornrows you like – I forgot?

‘Cause there’s this girl I know…
Well, um… Wait a sec. on that…

I have always thought there was a double standard when women “experiment” in college but not still considered gay when they switch back to men.

It doesn’t matter what you like

IT

IS

STILL

GAY!!!

And the funny thing is, it was probably a MAN who defined the word “homosexual.” LULZ.

@ missunderstood

I loved when you said “its just a lot of licking, touching, and bumping”, couldn’t even get to the rest of what you wrote.

I just can’t understand how some women can give up men!Damn,there’s nothing like a warm,hard d*ck early in the morning!
Even the women who sleep with women use penetratable props so to me that means she still wants a d*ck.

@ Larry

Damn good question.

@MoniSings – GURL! I’m addicted! I trolled for a loong time before I started posting, but once I did, it’s like I can’t stop! Definitely a guilty pleasure… then I go home and try to tell my friends, and they just don’t get it…. lol… I’m gonna go cold turkey as soon as I can figure out my quit date! I mean it! lol….

@ME
“I disagree. Only those who want to see or take part in such activities and feel their chances will increase by not attaching the negative stigma that accompanies being gay to it so that others would be more comfortable with it feel this way. Everyone else has no problem calling a gay spade a gay spade.”
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Um…. what the hell are you talking about?

Two women together is a beautiful and sensuous act. Full of love and intimacy. More women should try it.

@More Aces
@KAMI

I respect that you don’t like men BUT we would have so much fun together. LOL. I’m just sayin.

LMAO @Whoa! quote unquote “MAN” ….Why write quote unquote if you’re gonna put the word in quotations.

If there is no bulge down below Im not wasting my time

…It’s gay.

@ Leon
You a fag! There I said something, what are you going to do about it, use ALL CAPS?

@MIJDC

No, it didn’t go over my head. It just makes no sense.

How is female homosexuality being accepted and male homosexuality NOT being accepted NOT a double standard? Homosexuality is homosexuality. Again, see the definition of “homosexual.”

http://www.sistasinthehood.com

Some of you hoes need to see this shit!

A person is only gay if they believe they are gay

whattha

@ Leon
You a fag! There I said something, what are you going to do about it, use ALL CAPS?
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LMAO!!!!!! Yea after reading that I threw up in my mouth.

Welp, I guess this is how the human race is going to die off. People turning into homo’s errwhere.

Is this where everyone went?

Figures.

@Man I just dont care™:

I can tell by the way you can dominate a conversation and how you respond that you dont “doubt yourself”. In all aspects of life; including in the bedroom.

Nice aura to give off through the computer. lol

LOL…and I will NEVER forget how to ride a bike……”look ma”!…..”no hands”.

@ME
“No, it didn’t go over my head. It just makes no sense.

How is female homosexuality being accepted and male homosexuality NOT being accepted NOT a double standard? Homosexuality is homosexuality. Again, see the definition of “homosexual.”
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Yeah, it went over your head. LOL. The KEY to the discussion is not “HOMOSEXUAL.” I SAID that both men and women are homosexual if they sleep with the same sex. The KEY to the discussion is “DOUBLE STANDARD.”

The ONLY way that you can have a DOUBLE STANDARD is to have two seperate standards for IDENTICAL items. Men and women ARE NOT IDENTICAL. All MEN have one standard and all WOMEN have one standard.

The classic “apples and oranges” comparison.

@CAT EYES:

*blushing*

I mean, I do. But then I think about who these d_cks are attached to and it reminds me the very reason of why I chose to date a female.

I have alot of homeboys and the fact that they know I am dating her turns them on and they want to be apart of it. lol

I miss it every now and then, but I wont go out and cheat on her if I wanted it. My feelings for her a strong and I couldnt live with myself if I did that to her.

We substitute quite nicely, though!

lucky substitutes, can someone say two for one, damn.

@KAMI
“I can tell by the way you can dominate a conversation and how you respond that you dont “doubt yourself”. In all aspects of life; including in the bedroom.

Nice aura to give off through the computer. lol

LOL…and I will NEVER forget how to ride a bike……”look ma”!…..”no hands”.”
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Here, you are going to need this helmet when you ride THIS bike…

it’s definitely gay. I’ve been saying most women were gay for the longest……I just don’t have a problem with it. But my main girl, can’t be gay or bi. It’s attractive in a short-term freak…..not in a real partner though.

it is homosexuality. The thought of TWO vaginas in one room getting kinky is just gross! Bad enough I have to deal with my own I’ll be damned if I have to be around somebody elses!

It could be considered gay, but the difference is nothing is entering the woman, so she can walk away, be with a man and never look back. But for a man, he’s willingly allowing another man to enter him and that’s an emotional experience that a man and woman have with each other and it takes them to a “place.” A man can’t walk away from that. He can live his life in denial and/or torment from it, so that makes him gay. He assumed a female’s position. If he’s gay, it’s cool, but just calling it an experiment, hmmmmm, I don’t know. That’s not the kind of experimenting non-gay men do. I could be wrong.

OK MAN JUST DON”T CARE, WHEN I DECIDE TO I”LL LET YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE ANGELINA JOLIE AND NICOLE MURPHY OR LAILA ALI IN THE BED THEN I MIGHT THINK ABOUT IT.LMAO! JUST JOKES PPL, JUST JOKES..

Negrodamus Believes gay people are the jokers in the deck much like Hispanics.

@ Niasia:

You say…..”abd enough I have to deal with my own”??

What does THAT mean?? Are you not “good” down there?

I’m just asking. Because I LOVE my vagina its bad for me dealing with mines.

@Man I just dont care™:

A little cocky, are we? (no pun intended) *wink*

*sighing*

I’m trying to be a good girl over here. You gonna have me start saying stuff that I shouldnt!

Okay….*talking to self*….relax…..relate…..release (repeat 3x)

Okay…..but um, yeah….so how about them Lakers????

The funny thing is, so many of you sheep are so hung up in your homophobia that the idea of you getting aroused by anything that can be considered by mere classification as “homosexual” has you up in arms. Relax. If two women is what gets your engine running, that’s fine. It doesn’t make you gay, or homosexual. However, the two women who are sexually enjoying each other (and the operative word there is enjoying) are displaying homosexual tendencies.

@Naisia:

Mad typos in my last post you….my bad!

I love and vay-jay-jay and its not bad AT ALL dealing with mines…..now thats what I meant to say!

@Undacuvabrutha

***a mediocre person with gay tendencies steps up (you)
***makes lame comment
***swords swings down full force
***takes off neck of undesirable
***litechoklit1 smiles with approval

have at it, you seem to like boring repetitive shit….

@CHRISSY
“WHEN I DECIDE TO I”LL LET YOU KNOW, IF YOU HAVE ANGELINA JOLIE AND NICOLE MURPHY OR LAILA ALI IN THE BED THEN I MIGHT THINK ABOUT IT.LMAO! JUST JOKES PPL, JUST JOKES”
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I can get Lalia Ali. Um… the other two look like meth addicted men to me. LOL.

It is amusing how you throw the short bus term at me yet YOU are the one arguing against something already defined.

You can fling the “men are women are different” feces around all day if you want, but the fact of the matter is the discussion is about homosexuality and what qualifies as homosexual and what doesn’t. And stop back-peddling, because your initial statement that I responded to was the following:
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Well, they are trying to figure out why there is a “double standard.” (there really isn’t a double standard though because men and women are different and therefore have different standards… it would only be double if some men were allowed to be gay and some men were not and the same for women)
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No where in here did you take the position that you are now stating:

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My response is that they ARE both gay by the definition of the word “gay/homosexual.
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The first post I quoted said nothing of the sort and actually suggested the opposite. Again, more semantics now accompanied with back peddling. SMH.

@KAMI
“A little cocky, are we? (no pun intended) *wink*

*sighing*

I’m trying to be a good girl over here. You gonna have me start saying stuff that I shouldnt!

Okay….*talking to self*….relax…..relate…..release (repeat 3x)

Okay…..but um, yeah….so how about them Lakers????”
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LOL. No, not a “little” cocky at all. *wink*

Let it go girl. Let it all out. You are among friends.

@MAN I JUST DON”T CARE, OK I’LL TAKE LAILA ALI, SOUNDS GOOD. LOL BUT I LIKE THEM SLIM AND TRIM TOO THE OTHER TOO VERY HOT, BUT ANYWAY WE CAN MAKE IT HAPPEN..LOL JUST JOKES PPL JUST JOKES..

troll

^^^^^

GAY!!!
YAY!!!!

@ME
“Well, they are trying to figure out why there is a “double standard.” (there really isn’t a double standard though because men and women are different and therefore have different standards… it would only be double if some men were allowed to be gay and some men were not and the same for women)”-MY ORIGINAL QUOTE
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Boo, all you have to do is reread what I said:

“…it would only be double if some men were allowed (synonymous with ACCEPTED) to be gay and some men were not and the same for women.”

Go on… look up synonyms with “allowed,” I’ll wait.

SMH at people who just don’t want to admit they didn’t understand something.

DAYUM.

@ Moreaces

I would love to be your friend.

@ chrissy

I actually like the way you think.

@MIJDC

All this to kick dirt over the fact that you’re (incorrectly) saying there is no “double standard” regarding homosexuality because men and women are different.

Rather than instruct me to use a thesaurus, you should take the time to use a dictionary. Allow me to further debunk your “current” argument. Here is the very definition of “double standard.” Once more, MerriamWebster(dot)com

double standard
One entry found.

Main Entry:
double standard
Function:
noun
Date:
1894

1: bimetallism
2: a set of principles that applies differently and usually more rigorously to one group of people or circumstances than to another ; especially : a code of morals that applies more severe standards of sexual behavior to women than to men.

Note that last part. They use as a very example of double standard *drum roll, please* a moral code that exercises more severe standards to WOMEN than MEN.

Baaaaaah goes the Sheep.

@ me.org

keep em in line doll!!!

@ everybody

whaddup!!!!!

as homos, we will now charge heteros a fee to ride and discuss our lives. please try to ignore us like ur abortion count. LMAO!!

dark but effective

@ MYBAAD

HELL FUGGIN YEAH. $50 A POST

@Undacuvabrutha WHY THANK U.

@ mortiz88

It’s all good, i ain’t mad at ya.

@ UNDACUVABRUTHA

THANKS MAN. ITS HARD FOR DUDES TO ACTUALLY UNDERTAND. U GOOD MONEY THO

@ Niasia

And we appreciate it, mama.

@ mortiz

dam theyre willing to pay to ride.. i need that iPhone application for sales on the go.

mo money! mo money! mo money!

Undacuvabrutha

@ Moreaces

I would love to be your friend
=================
Thanks, cant have to many

exactly!!

“i click to say how disgusted i am!!”

BULL SHIT!!! LMAO!!!

lol i say the same thing moreaces. truth is, all my male friends still fantasize about sexing me. damn shame. smh

@ME ORIGINAL
“All this to kick dirt over the fact that you’re (incorrectly) saying there is no “double standard” regarding homosexuality because men and women are different.

Rather than instruct me to use a thesaurus, you should take the time to use a dictionary. Allow me to further debunk your “current” argument. Here is the very definition of “double standard.” Once more, MerriamWebster(dot)com

double standard
One entry found.

Main Entry:
double standard
Function:
noun
Date:
1894

1: bimetallism
2: a set of principles that applies differently and usually more rigorously to one group of people or circumstances than to another ; especially : a code of morals that applies more severe standards of sexual behavior to women than to men.

Note that last part. They use as a very example of double standard *drum roll, please* a moral code that exercises more severe standards to WOMEN than MEN.

Baaaaaah goes the Sheep.”
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LOL.

And that is “dictionary.com” ha ha ha ha ha. Do some research on that site before you cite it.

Look up the “SCIENTIFIC DEFITION OF DOUBLE STANDARD” That’s the definition you used with “homosexual.” A “SCIENTIFIC DEFINITION of homosexual.”

That’s what this “argument” is all about… apples to apples and so forth.

@CAT EYES:

*blushing*

I mean, I do. But then I think about who these d_cks are attached to and it reminds me the very reason of why I chose to date a female.

I have alot of homeboys and the fact that they know I am dating her turns them on and they want to be apart of it. lol

I miss it every now and then, but I wont go out and cheat on her if I wanted it. My feelings for her a strong and I couldnt live with myself if I did that to her.

We substitute quite nicely, though!

@Kami All Day
All I can say is wow!

it’s crazy moreaces, the only reason other than being a homophobe is because their children and loved ones are coming out of the closet so they are trying to understand though posts like these. i dont blame them but dont come here without an open mind! love is love babie! my heart shall never condemn me

we gettin homophobe moneh!!!

@Kami All Day – hey miss lady – glad you representing in here.
This is just a tip – Relegard. Once a month is all you need to control that PH issue. Haven’t had a YI in 2 yrs… I think they might even sell it over the counter now, not sure.
Anyway, just droppin’ in, continue on….

@ Man i just dont care

it’s all love man, its all love

@MIJDC

Uhm, no. I did not use Dictionary dot com. As repeatedly stated in my posts, I went to Merriam Webster. You know Merriam Webster, right? For years and years, one of the MOST TRUSTED reference sources for definitions pertaining to the English Language. Merriam Webster dictionaries existed LONG before the Internet was a household commodity.

We are discussing words and their meanings in American English, so I cited my references from a very reputable source. Evidently, you’re the one who needs to do the research here, LOL.

@Kami All Day

OMG you have a CLUE!!! Thank thank you!! I always have to look at men’s hands b/c my “privates” are SENSITIVE! And be like Negro your hands man…I can’t take that. So many people don’t even realize the Va jay jay has “GOOD” Bacteria at all times and any mess up in that balance well it is a wrap and you can expect to either pay for monistat or a $30 dollar vist to the MD for some $10 anti biotics!

And in now way do I put down women who like women or men who like men…but me personally one vagina is enough And you know when women live together the cycles “link” up…oh hell naw I sho can’t deal with another period and PMS at the same time I don’t know how the men can deal with us either…I catch my self at times like ok you are snipping and then I think come on PMS ride your course so I can be the nice person I usually am LOL!!!

@ME
“Uhm, no. I did not use Dictionary dot com. As repeatedly stated in my posts, I went to Merriam Webster. You know Merriam Webster, right? For years and years, one of the MOST TRUSTED reference sources for definitions pertaining to the English Language. Merriam Webster dictionaries existed LONG before the Internet was a household commodity.

We are discussing words and their meanings in American English, so I cited my references from a very reputable source. Evidently, you’re the one who needs to do the research here, LOL.”
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sigh.

Ok. Should apes be treated the same and have same rights as humans?

@Kami all day

Ok I think you are a woman…hence why you have a clue LMAO!!

@MIJDC

sigh.

Ok. Should apes be treated the same and have same rights as humans?

————————

Please tell me you aren’t about to liken the differences between men and women to those of men and apes. If so, I am done with this conversation.

mortiz88

it’s crazy moreaces, the only reason other than being a homophobe is because their children and loved ones are coming out of the closet so they are trying to understand though posts like these. i dont blame them but dont come here without an open mind! love is love babie! my heart shall never condemn me
==========
An Open mind would be nice, and you dont have to like it, but you dont need to hate it either,

Go Orlando!!!!!!!!!!1

@ME
“Please tell me you aren’t about to liken the differences between men and women to those of men and apes. If so, I am done with this conversation.”
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hA HA HA HA. I KNEW you were going to say that. Here is the definition you cited:

double standard
One entry found.

Main Entry:
double standard
Function:
noun
Date:
1894

1: bimetallism
2: a set of principles that applies differently and usually more rigorously to one group of people or circumstances than to another

My point is how are you going to define “group?” If you use the BROADEST definition of “human” to define group than yes it is double standard.

But again, I liken it to a “apples and organges” comparison because although both “fruits” they have their own standards.

There is nothing a man can to for me but be my friend, but who knows with the “Right Man” you can maybe come over to this side,, You know, the Right Man, may just rock your world
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@Moreaces

Excuse my french but F*CK NO!!!!!!!!!!!
NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I LOVE PU$$Y – ALWAYS HAVE AND ALWAYS WILL…
I WILL NEVER GET TIRED OF PU$$Y AND WILL LOVE PU$$Y ‘TILL THE DAY I DIE!!!

It’s all good though, we still cool you my girl I can take a joke

@ SLIDE
Excuse my french but F*CK NO!!!!!!!!!!!
NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I LOVE PU$$Y – ALWAYS HAVE AND ALWAYS WILL…
I WILL NEVER GET TIRED OF PU$$Y AND WILL LOVE PU$$Y ‘TILL THE DAY I DIE!!!
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So, let me get this right, cause I dont want to be confused, You like ussspay, Im I clear on this?????, LOL

@MIJDC

Are apes “people”? No. Are men “people”? Yes. Are women “people”? Yes.

Go on and quote the ENTIRE DEFINITION AS STATED of double standard, not just the bit and pieces you choose to support for feeble semantics. You know, the very rest of the definition that actually uses views and opinions as applied to men and women as AN EXAMPLE OF DOUBLE STANDARD?

2: a set of principles that applies differently and usually more rigorously to one group of people or circumstances than to another ; especially : a code of morals that applies more severe standards of sexual behavior to women than to men.

Once more, double standard and homosexuality are terms applied to HUMANS as a whole. They are not gender-specific.

Go Orlando!!! Check out the SuperMan Track…Big Up to D-Howard and R. Lewis. youtube.com/majorgrowth…

don’t worry, even women that ‘experiment’ once are still and forever will bisexual with gay tendencies- they just don’t act on it .. a dude might as well act on it because he’ll be forever GAY!!

@ME
“Once more, double standard and homosexuality are terms applied to HUMANS as a whole. They are not gender-specific.”
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So, they are applied to “humas as a whole” huh? So is it a “double standard” for children to not be able to vote? Is it a “double standard” for the elderly to receive preferential treatment (lower cost for certain things, social security etc)?

Again, by YOUR definition it states a “group of people” so are these “double standards” as well?

Ok, but every woman is different Odetta. Point, blank and period. It’s just that simple. You can’t live without it, and i can. So everyone’s happy!

@Whoa…Shutdahellup. you sound so damn stupid. smh

*gangster walk with the limp*

It’s ok Mortiz, I know you’re mad at yourself too. BINGO!!!

@MORTIZ88

Don’t let people upset you with their talk. You being happy is the main concern and don’t let them effect your happiness.

sound dumb as hell….WHOA made my day. crackin up at the ignorance on my screen. lmao. work it hunny woRK IT!!

@ WHOA, mad at myself? i cant get enuf of myself actually. i mean damn, u aint even see my pics. lol

@ Man i just dont care

thank you. you are absolutely right

@MIJDC

No, but it would be a double standard for male children to be able to vote while female children can’t. It would also be a double standard for elderly women to receive more money from social security than men.

Back to the topic on hand…Women who sleep with women are engaging in homosexual activities. GAY activities, and calling them anything other than that while not applying it to men who engage in homosexual activities is….a double standard

@WHOA
“mad at myself? i cant get enuf of myself actually. i mean damn, u aint even see my pics. lol”-Mortiz88
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I’m gonna have to concur with Mortiz on this one. She is oh so easy on the eyes. (probably the tongue too LOL)

hehe (((blushin)))

Mortiz hon, I don’t need nor do I want to see your pics. Stop begging people to check you out. Dying for compliments? You must be insecure. Go ahead, put up the Myspace address again. *begging for hits*

@ Kami All Day

You need a strink

thanks Whoa!

@MIJDC

As she should be. A straight man as yourself would naturally wanna see what she looked like after she put up herself for advertisement.

oh wait, here it is. Myspace.com/Iamboop. sorry almost forgot. hehe. sorry ppl. i was having too much fun up on here

@ME
“No, but it would be a double standard for male children to be able to vote while female children can’t. It would also be a double standard for elderly women to receive more money from social security than men.

Back to the topic on hand…Women who sleep with women are engaging in homosexual activities. GAY activities, and calling them anything other than that while not applying it to men who engage in homosexual activities is….a double standard ”
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Ok. Why would it ONLY be a “double standard” based on whether or not girls and boys would be given the SAME voting rights when YOU said that “double standard” is not “gender specific?”

Again, the GROUP (children) or not given the same standard as another GROUP (adults) so by YOUR definition doesn’t this constitute a “double standard” because both groups are human?

Elaborate.

thanks Odetta!

@MORTIZ88
“hehe (((blushin)))”
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….don’t blush too much…

*sexual stare*

@BMWdriver540i. …… .Looking at the haters thru my rearview:

And you need to put a gravie up of a car you can actually afford.

Uh oh, looks as if im not going anywhere. my work day isn’t done until 3:40pm! Ok great. Um, so i agree with everyone up here accept for gay bashers and whatnot. I love all people. All backrounds and such. I can understand the gay basher even because they haven’t walked in my shoes. they have not the slightest idea. I thank people like Odetta and moreaces and the rest who kno who they are. It was hard to accept who i am now. But, i’ve never been so connected to myself and my creator. I thank him everyday i wake up. i just hope that he continues his love through us all because we all need one another. and we need understanding especially with out history with being black or any other ethnic group for that matter.

i love you all, have a great day !

@MIJDC

Quite the pseudo-intellectual sandtrap there, Cowboy.

Maybe because said children do have the right to vote once they reach age 18, male or female?

@Man:

Heyyyyyyy, sweetness! Whats going on in here now?? I had to force myself to tak an hour or so away from this mess….I DO have a job to do too!

Underneath all that tough exterior, you’re not so bad.

@Niasia:

Nothing but woman, honey!

Believe me, I dont have to worry about that with her. Cleanliness and women are like synonymous (well, it should be)…..cuz you know SOME gyals…..:(

@ME
“Quite the pseudo-intellectual sandtrap there, Cowboy.

Maybe because said children do have the right to vote once they reach age 18, male or female?”
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Naw.. no “sandtrap.”

But again, using your definition, one group (adults) can vote NOW and another group (children) have to WAIT. Isn’t that, by your definition, a “double standard.”

If the “standards” were “identical” wouldn’t said children be able to vote NOW as well?

**not an issue of “should they vote” but an issue of “can they vote.” I know that you know the difference**

@mortiz88

As long as you’re happy that’s all that matters

@Odetta it feels wrong way before getting that far with a man. i FORCED myself. unfortunately. but i climax very regularly with women. so im good.

@Whoa thanks hun

I’m not mad Mortiz88, i feel you. you seem rather young. Saw your myspace LOL.. Not trying to offend and i apologize if i came off that way to anyone. its just you have your expereinces with being with women and i have to respect that you are speaking from that point of view. since i am speaking from a straight woman’s view i get upset and i have to admit that when i come across people like @Leon, to me he sounds evil incarnate. i am still a work in progress and God knows I have not arrived at my Faith. Not religion, but Faith. Faith is a way of life while religion serves mans pupose to excuse his oppressive behavior and gives Faith a bad name. Any way sorry about the rant. Love is a Powerful thing and Keep Loving.

Peace.

mortiz88

oh wait, here it is. Myspace.com/Iamboop. sorry almost forgot. hehe. sorry ppl. i was having too much fun up on here

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Going to check out your page, and request the frienship thing, I like Facebook better, maybe becasue its mostly my family that I have saved as friends. good way to keep in touch, and spread family news.

@MIJDC:

Children cannot vote while adults can because they generally lack the education, judgement, and maturity to make a responsible decision.

gain by the way of Merriam Webster(dot)com:

Main Entry:
straw man
Function:
noun
Date:
1886

1 : a weak or imaginary opposition (as an argument or adversary) set up only to be easily confuted 2 : a person set up to serve as a cover for a usually questionable transaction.

Two chicks getting it in is not gay and okay, but two dudes getting it in is gay and not okay because __________________. If you can fill in that blank, you’re finally back on topic.

*That should read, “again, by the way of Merriam Webster, etc.

@ME
“Children cannot vote while adults can because they generally lack the education, judgement, and maturity to make a responsible decision.”
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ha ha ha hah aha.

Is it not a “double standard” that adults can vote and children can not?

You are off the chain “Slide Like A Fresh Pair Of Gators” hella funny.

That’s a man thing. I personally think you are and more power to you if you into the kitty. I’m strictly D**in

Man I just dont care™

@MORE ACES

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Well, that will be the last time a share with you Mister.. LOLOLOLOL… Dead

oh my bad, i didnt get any requests….maybe my pc is actin up. give it time…maybe it’ll go thru.

@MIJDC
You know what, you’re right, 3 year olds should vote and people should be treated differently/badly for sexing up their own gender if and only if they have XY chromosomes. Victory is yours. You may now bask in glorly, free to use mindless semantics and straw man tactics against anyone else who dares tell you that you are wrong

PS: You’re still wrong. It is a double standard, females who sleep with other females are *still gay* ;p

@ Slide
You know what pu$$y does to a ni@@a… SMH
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You are Ok with me Slide, funny as ish as well

lol @ BERNIEB. Odetta made him look so tiny.

@ME
“You know what, you’re right, 3 year olds should vote and people should be treated differently/badly for sexing up their own gender if and only if they have XY chromosomes. Victory is yours. You may now bask in glorly, free to use mindless semantics and straw man tactics against anyone else who dares tell you that you are wrong

PS: You’re still wrong. It is a double standard, females who sleep with other females are *still gay* ;p”
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Dude, it almost appears that you are avoiding answering a “yes or no” question.

Is it a double standard for children not to be able to vote and for adults to be able to vote?

it’s a simple yes or no.

This continues on from yesterday I see just flipped the other way, like I said before one of my daughters flipped back and forth between men and women for a couple of years. She met a nice brotha got married had kids and has been happy for the last 10 yrs. I used to kid her and call her trisexual and told her not to worry about what others thought but to carry herself like a lady and that her decision as for her lifes partner would be made when there was no longer a decision to be made because it there’d be no denying who she meant to be with……..peoplE are to concerned with other folks business…

@Man I just dont care™

do you see how yall get down? We are better off!!

@LEON PETERSON
“do you see how yall get down? We are better off!!”
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*confused look*

What are you talking about?

@MIJDC

No, it is not a double standard.

@brooklyn stand up: i wish more str8 men was like u

@ME
“No, it is not a double standard.”
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¿¿¿ *confused look* ???

YOUR definition from the honorable and respected Merriam Websters dictionary:

double standard
One entry found.

Main Entry:
double standard
Function:
noun
Date:
1894

1: bimetallism
2: a set of principles that applies differently and usually more rigorously to one GROUP of people or circumstances than to another ; especially : a code of morals that applies more severe standards of sexual behavior to women than to men.
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Let’s see here:

A set of principles (laws) that applies differently and more rigorously to one GROUP (ADULTS) of people or circumstances than to another (Children);especially (but not ONLY): a code of morals that applies more severe standards of sexual behavior to women than to men.

So… how does it NOT apply?

@ Electrik Red

I am not against gay people, they are cool with me. I will even say they deserve the right to get married and equal rights under the law. so let me just put that to rest.

Relationships have many variations, so if I happen to like when women are bisexual so what.
It does not make her any less of a “Real Woman” according to you.
You clearly have like your relationships to be a one on one affair, and that is cool.

But you act like a square when you say, because you like to have a one on one interaction – it should be the same for everyone else.

That is a square’s way of thinking and you need to get off that.

sexual chocolate you not making sense with ur post u still writing alot without giving a valid answer

U Tell em’ Ruby …lol!!!!!

@Awesome-O-3000 … OK, my lunch is bubbling up me stomache to me throat … that was funny as hell but truly gross …lol

THANK U RUBY!!!!!!

in texas i have been seeing alot of gay black women tho. strange.

@Electrik Red- “P Is For Power” Next Single!!!!

@brooklyn stand up: i wish more str8 men was like u
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Thanks! I just think that people try to sugar coat things to much. gay is gay. Nothing wrong w/ it just don’t try and tell me that two women eating each other out is not a gay act.

Also, I really like that group Electric Red- Very attractive women and the music is pretty awesome. Good luck to them, they seem super sool.

**Cool** Typo

@me (the original)®

What up stranger?

Brooklyn!!

What up, pa? Getting ready for Friday? >.>

I know, it’s hypocritical, but men bust nuts and women do not. I don’t want nothing splashing on me that came from some dood that got splashed in by another dood…
@Mis Lil Girl
Oh,women do too if he hits the g-spot just right!!!lol

@brooklyn, stand up: i love electrik red

@me (the original)®

Same here girl, I can’t wait till tomorrow. I have my aunt taking my kids for the weekend so it’s just gonna be me & wifey

Not that I don’t love my kids (2), lol… it’s just that a break is good every once in a while, feel me? lol

Bernie Bernie Bernie LOL… you are sad and you are not Black. you are something else. you just appear black but that went right over your head and i dont have the time to explain. Your post was so full of contradictions and i just simply dont have time to address you. But you take care of yourself and your way of life. You sound miserable…you and @ Leon P should get together. Maybe thats already in the worxs…

@brokklyn: true!! LMAOO!! i hope they do too

@MIJDC

*facepalm*

Once again you referred to something and apparently didn’t bother to even read, just like when you quoted my definition of double standard where I said in the post that I got it from Merriam Webster, and you tried to say it was from Dictionary(dot)com…

All people are, at one point or another, children. This is a standard. Once they mature and reach an age where they can make safe and informed decisions, they are afforded the same liberties and choices as everyone else. Therefore, no one is being discriminated against.

You want another example of double standards that isn’t “gender” based, fine. Segregation. Racism. Homosexual discrimination. Discrimination against religion. There are many more.

@brooklyn: have u heard the dream new album??

@Brooklyn

Nice!! Yeah, I hear what you’re saying. Do you and Mrs. Brooklyn Stand Up have anything special planned or just going to enjoy the reprieve?

@ME
“*facepalm*

Once again you referred to something and apparently didn’t bother to even read, just like when you quoted my definition of double standard where I said in the post that I got it from Merriam Webster, and you tried to say it was from Dictionary(dot)com…

All people are, at one point or another, children. This is a standard. Once they mature and reach an age where they can make safe and informed decisions, they are afforded the same liberties and choices as everyone else. Therefore, no one is being discriminated against.

You want another example of double standards that isn’t “gender” based, fine. Segregation. Racism. Homosexual discrimination. Discrimination against religion. There are many more.”
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Oh.. so there is no such thing as “age discrimination” because everyone has either lived to a certain age or has the potential to live to a certain age. Right?

@Man I just dont care™

LOL!! Man, you crazy… In a good way!

Thanks for clearing that up Cat Eyes….

I’m the man, lol….

@ Electrik Red- “P Is For Power” Next Single!!!!

@brooklyn: have u heard the dream new album??
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Not yet! Is it worth buying? Let me know cause I’ll pick it up for wifey.

@Mis Lil Girl

Come here and let me see if “Gynecologist MIJDC” can get that plumbing right down there.

@me (the original)®

@Brooklyn

Nice!! Yeah, I hear what you’re saying. Do you and Mrs. Brooklyn Stand Up have anything special planned or just going to enjoy the reprieve?
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NO!!!! lol… Guess who just came to give her a visit? The Menstrual Monster

On a positive note at least she’s not preggers, lol…

I’m horrible!

@MIJDC

Do you even remember your initial argument? You have, in your quest to cover up the fact that you are wrong, and at the onset of this discussion had a not so strong grasp on the meaning of the term “double standard”, thrown everything including the kitchen sink at me. You’re just regurgitating up anything you can to try and make it look like you were right but you weren’t.

As numerous other people have stated: Women who regularly engage in sexual activity with other women are are displaying homosexual tendencies, thusly, they are GAY. Even other women here who do this have said the same.

To call men who engage in sexual activities with other men gay and not call women who engage in sexual activities with other women gay is..a double standard. You notice no one has hopped on board with you? Yet numerous people have echoed my sentiments. Why do you suppose that is?

You go on, keep finding ways to compare this to children, apes, insects, rodents, wildlife, what have you. I’ve made my point numerous times, if you don’t get it, then you just don’t get it.

@Mis Lil Girl

You haven’t experienced it YET!!!

@Brooklyn

OH NO!!! LOL I’m sorry for laughing, it’s just so typical. Just when everything is going right…here comes something to f*ck it all up! I know the feeling!

And ROFL at “at least she’s not pregnant” LOLOL

two women sexing aint nothing but playing around for the real thing!

Tony Redds:

True @ that!

*omit one “are” from my post to MIJDC, a typo.

@me (the original)®

LOL!!! It’s all good baby. All you can do is laugh at that, lol…

I was thinking of taking her for a late night walk over the Brooklyn bridge.

@Mis Lil Girl

You haven’t experienced it YET!!!

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Well, if it’s HALF as good as those chicks in the flicks are making it out to be, I hope I DO experience it some day!

I don’t want nothing that bleeds for three to five days and doesn’t die.
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We women are fierce.

We bleed and despite suffering from cramps, bloating, fatigue, sore breasts, and back pain, we can STILL hold it down at work, school, and at home.

We rule.

@brooklyn: most def!! also Er how to be a lady vol. 1 u shud pick it up if u can find it “Go Shawty” will teach yo wifey how to train u to put it down in the bedroom LOL!

THANK U HONEY BEAUTY!!!!!

@Honey Beauty — (“Pretty Wings” by Maxwell is my song!)

I don’t want nothing that bleeds for three to five days and doesn’t die.
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We women are fierce.

We bleed and despite suffering from cramps, bloating, fatigue, sore breasts, and back pain, we can STILL hold it down at work, school, and at home.

We rule.
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YES! Very impressive.

@ Mis Lil Girl

@Mis Lil Girl

You haven’t experienced it YET!!!

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Well, if it’s HALF as good as those chicks in the flicks are making it out to be, I hope I DO experience it some day!
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LOL!!! (In Matin’s Voice) You Go GIrl!!

@Electrik Red- “P Is For Power” Next Single!!!!

@brooklyn: most def!! also Er how to be a lady vol. 1 u shud pick it up if u can find it “Go Shawty” will teach yo wifey how to train u to put it down in the bedroom LOL!
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Nice! Thanks buddy, lol…

@Brooklyn

Aww, how sweet! I hope the weather is nice for it. I think we’re going to have a rainy weekend up my way.

@me (the original)®

Yeah, the weather is pretty sh*tty out here but it’s suppose to clear up for the weekend. Wish me luck!

I have to go buddy, have a blessed night, bye

@MIJDC

LOL, whatever. The back-peddling and rambling is giving me a headache. Your posts, full of semantics, back-peddling and misinformation speak for themselves. Anyone reading them will see it, I don’t need to point it out. I officially withdraw myself from this ridiculous conversation. Get a mirror and talk yourself in circles. Have a wonderful day, Sir.

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@Brooklyn

Take it easy

@…..

Wait, what? LOL

@ME

Listen, you’ve proven that you don’t fully understand the term “double standard.” It’s cool.

The bottom line is to say that for men and women should have the same standard because they are “human” is akin to sayin that apples and oranges should have the same standards because they are “fruit.” The only way that a “double standard” can be applied if there is some sort of common factor between the items. In my analogy YOU have determined that for men and women to be “human” was the common enough factor. However, I disagree that merely by both being human is a strong enough factor to apply a consistent standard for both. Men and women are to dissimilar to apply one standard to both (i.e. the Apple and the Orange). Either you can’t understand that or you just refuse to acknowledge it.

I “back pedaled” blah blah blah (please define it by the way) yet you purposely avoided “Yes or no” questions in attempt to disguise your ignorance.

Hey Slide! What is going on dude?

they both gay

2 woman:normal

2 men:aliens

oh so this is where all the 2nd shift people at.

What is going on dude?
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@Rozza♥

Nothing my Dear…

How was you day today and what’s going on this summer any vacations planned?

and
*to stay on topic*

Has a woman ever tried to “holla” at you and what happened? Were you polite or did you curse her out?

Oh, I meant “Learn”.

mizzblaze

sup suga,havent seen you in a while

Hey, MO

I’ve been keeping a low profile lately. Just going through some things, but I’ll be alright.

ms.blase

oh,well i hope everything works out for you,and it was good seeng and hearing from you to.

Dude, shut up. We gotta good thing going here.

who

My hubby Terry just wore my lips raw and I can say what he did cant be duplicated by no woman. I needs my man to get me right baby,

because men approve/enjoy/want it for their own filthy pleasures, always a double standard!!

well it depends on what kind of women in society. now omen who are very beautiful and feminime will have no problem but w omen who are all dykish an ugly are going to be insulted tremendously

yea @ Uhljjangkitty, i totally see what you’re saying.

and RUBY rocks!!!

@Lady Star

Profile pic = I just vomit in my mouth….GROSS!

@LadyStar

that pic IS pretty graphic, i dunno man.

There is a double standard but that’s just the way it is. Men and women have a complete different make up. We were born and bread like two different species. Women are lovers, (kissy, touchy, feely) whereas men are made to be the complete opposite. That’s why women are more likely to have (or think about having) an intimate relationship with another woman to feel that “lover” “softer” side of another human being.

It’s pride in RI next weekend! Can’t wait!! Fav time of year!! YAHOOOOO

@MIJDC

I’m not going to beat my head into a wall again with you. My comments on age discrimination have nothing to do with you, it has to do with it being the truth. It also has NOTHING to do with what we were talking about. Next thing I know, you’ll be telling me treating homosexual men differently from homosexual women for being homosexual is not a double standard because doughnut holes are called such, etc.

Again, I laid it all out for you in plain, simple English. I cited a dictionary’s definition of the term, not just some random web dictionary but Merriam Webster. It states in the very definition of the term “a set of principles that applies differently to one group over an other” and goes on to use MEN AND WOMEN as an example, which is the very essence of this debate. The different treatment of homosexual women vs. homosexual men. It is, as defined not by me, but in English, is a double standard.

I made no “assumptions”, I responded to what you typed. Quoting you:

“Well, they are trying to figure out why there is a “double standard.” (there really isn’t a double standard though because men and women are different and therefore have different standards…”

You said what you said, and what you said here is that there really isn’t a double standard between homosexual men and homosexual women as far as acceptance goes. This is incorrect. The very definition of “double standard” proves that. I am willing to entertain the idea that what you actually typed is a tad different from what you meant, as it is apparent you still are having trouble grasping the idea of what “double standard” actually means. However if what you SAID is different from what you MEANT TO SAY, then the issue is not with the reader, but with the author.

I still call women who sleep with women $aggots. Their gay as hell.

@ME
““a set of principles that applies differently to one group over an other” and goes on to use MEN AND WOMEN as an example”
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EXACTLY…NOW we are on the EXACT same page. Now… I really want you to TRY to think about this. I know that’s diffucult for you but REALLY try.

Do you think it is possible that, using the definition of Double Standard, on person could define the word “group” would mean “All humans.” Yet, another person, using the same definition, could use the word “group” to mean “all men?” It’s a yes or no answer.

MY point is that the very definition from Webster’s, WHICH YOU CITED, does not LIMIT what can be defined as a GROUP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The phrase CAN BE USED DIFFERENT WAYS BECAUSE THE GROUP CAN VARY!! The “apples and oranges” comparison COULD be a double standard because they are both fruits and have different standars if the “group” was being defined as “fruits.”

On the other hand it could be argued that is NOT a double standard because one is an “apple” and the other an “orange” and therefore shouldn’t have the same standard.

That’s why Webster’s themselves say that the male/female scenario is an EXAMPLE!!!

Damn. Do YOU NOT understand that the “groups” being used to define a “double standard” CAN VARY?????

I’m not saying you are WRONG… just that if you alter your perspective for a second you would understand what I am saying and that in fact I am using the true definition of “double standard.”

SMH at all of this. Try to see things from another angle sometimes.

“Well, they are trying to figure out why there is a “double standard.” (there really isn’t a double standard though because men and women are different and therefore have different standards…

[let me elaborte further for those who don't have the ability to have a true understanding of the phrase]

… just like apples and oranges are both fruits yet have their own standards which are unique ONLY to apples and oranges respectively.)”

test

test

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@ME
When I initially responded it was to KAMI and not limited to the subject of the thread. That isn’t “semantics” that was you making an inaccurate assumption. No two ways about that. Instead of considering that you will label it “semantics” SMH.

In your example of males not suffereing from a “doulbe standard.” You made a distinction to seperate the group of men and women because they are both human, work at jobs and are parents. I acknowledge your reason why (women have the babies). BUT you seperated the one human group into a male group and a female group.
YES or NO?

*humor me and answer the question if you find this to be “semantics”*

@ME
“There actually are instances where your theory would be correct.”
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SMH …. it’s been right the whole time. Any one of them that you dispute I can put into the “Merriam Webster’s” definition….

Oh yeah… LOL You haven’t disputed any of them.

@MIJDC

Selective memory much? I disputed your children one. I told you that since all people are, at one point, children, it is a “standard.” Everyone goes through childhood. Childhood is not exclusive to one group of people or another. Whether or not you accept that answer, not my problem. It is a fact.

The age discrimination one, I told you in “some” cases it is a double standard, but I didn’t go into detail about it nor will I because again, what constitutes minor vs. legal age is an EXTREMELY complex issue that has way too many X factors. It is also way, way, way off topic. It’s like in a whole other galaxy.

Now, about your latest question..I will give you an answer. The reason I separated the two with maternity leave is because this time away from work is given to people who are pregnant. They are given a bit of time before childbirth because at that stage in the pregnancy, the human’s body is very limited as to what it can and can not do. They are given time after the childbirth to recover from it. I separated them by “who can be pregnant” and “who can’t be pregnant.” It so happens that men can not be pregnant. If men could be pregnant and were not afforded maternity leave, then yes, it would be a double standard.

I hope you are humored.

@ME
“Now, about your latest question..I will give you an answer. The reason I separated the two with maternity leave is because this time away from work is given to people who are pregnant. They are given a bit of time before childbirth because at that stage in the pregnancy, the human’s body is very limited as to what it can and can not do. They are given time after the childbirth to recover from it. I separated them by “who can be pregnant” and “who can’t be pregnant.” It so happens that men can not be pregnant. If men could be pregnant and were not afforded maternity leave, then yes, it would be a double standard.”
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ROFLMAO

So, YES OR NO YOU SEPERATED men and women into two different groups?

(WHY you did it is irrelevant because they are BOTH humans… it’s like you are JUSTIFING a double standard)

It’s such a simple question….YES or NO.

@MIJDC

SMH …. it’s been right the whole time. Any one of them that you dispute I can put into the “Merriam Webster’s” definition….

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No you can’t. Saying that men suffering heavier consequences for being homosexual than women suffer for being homosexual IS a double standard, by the very definition. But you know what? Forget about me. Test your theory on other people with an education and without an agenda.

@ MIJDC

I answered your question. My separation was determined not by gender, but by who could be pregnant.

Reading. I hear it’s fundamental.

@ME
“No you can’t. Saying that men suffering heavier consequences for being homosexual than women suffer for being homosexual IS a double standard, by the very definition. But you know what? Forget about me. Test your theory on other people with an education and without an agenda.”
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Don’t all the men suffer equally? LOL.
Yes or no?

They are given a bit of time before childbirth because at that stage in the pregnancy, the human’s body is very limited as to what it can and can not do. They are given time after the childbirth to recover from it. I separated them by “who can be pregnant” and “who can’t be pregnant.” It so happens that men can not be pregnant. If men could be pregnant and were not afforded maternity leave, then yes, it would be a double standard.
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first of all, they don’t start maternity leave (99% of the time) BEFORE you give birth. I don’t know where your working but NOT in corporate America.

two: Maternity leave is NOT for recovery. Unless you give birth to a T Rex you need no more than a week of recovery. They give maternity leave for exactly what maternity means. Your child needs you to give it a sense of maternity during those 12wks (or whatever your employment allows) so that’s what they give you. Now they are trying to change things so that it will be called “parental maturnity” because a newborn really should have both parents giving off a maternal sensitivity. There is no reason why men shouldn’t be able to stay home with thier child. For now it’s DOUBLE STANDARD

@MIJDC

Don’t all the men suffer equally? LOL.
Yes or no?

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I hope this is a joke.

ME:
It’s a COMPLETE double standard what are you talking about????? they are so off the subject! Are you agreeing or dis?? LOOL

@ME
“me (the original)®

@ MIJDC

I answered your question. My separation was determined not by gender, but by who could be pregnant.

Reading. I hear it’s fundamental.”
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HA HA HA HAHAHAHA HA.

You are right. Reading is fundamental. LMAO!

Ok, even though the pregnancy is a function of one’s gender I won’t even get into that.

YOU decided to include a group of ALL HUMANS when determining a double standard in reference to sexual preference and how ALL HUMANS are treated.

YOU decided to LIMIT YOUR GROUP TO JUST FEMALES AND RATIONALIZED IT DUE TO PREGNANCY when determining a double standard in reference to maternity leave.

LOL. You kill me.

I decided to limit the groups and seperate men and women on EVERY issue because I rationalize that men and women are not identical (just like you did with your pregnancy statement LOL at that by the way) and therefore should (and always have and always will) have seperate standards!!!

ha ha haha

@Bi Chick

Which double standard are you talking about? Homosexual men and women?

@MIJDC

You’re laughing because I said when determining maternity leave I separated it by who can be pregnant and who can’t be pregnant? Uhm, okay. Yeaaaah that makes no sense. Yeah..haha, funny funny.

Let’s say the day comes when science does something that allows men to bear children (This is for argument’s sake here, I don’t see how this can be done but…) at that point, how would YOU determine who should and shouldn’t receive maternity leave?

@ME
“You’re laughing because I said when determining maternity leave I separated it by who can be pregnant and who can’t be pregnant? Uhm, okay. Yeaaaah that makes no sense. Yeah..haha, funny funny.

Let’s say the day comes when science does something that allows men to bear children (This is for argument’s sake here, I don’t see how this can be done but…) at that point, how would YOU determine who should and shouldn’t receive maternity leave?”
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boo, I could care less about maternity leave and who gets it or whatever.

The point was that YOU made a decision to factor in “pregnancy” with maternity leave although TWO people create a baby. YOU limited the groups into men and women. ALL women (for the sake of argument) can have children so ALL women have the same “standard.” You used “pregnancy” as your rationale to divide the groups. I can acknowledge that and really don’t need any further justification.

The QUESTION is can you acknowledge that others (always have and always will and thus we are even talking in this thread) have rationalized that men and women are seperated by GENDER? Can you ACKNOWLEDGE THAT?

Not that it matter if you do or not. HA HA HA People will STILL form seperate standards based on gender and they should because the two are not identical.

@MIJDC

This is where we differ. No, not all women can have children, therefore not all women have that “standard.” Again, this is not just my opinion, which is why there is a process a woman must go through when they are nearing the time of going on maternity leave. If not, then women would arbitrarily take “maternity leave” even though they aren’t pregnant.

As far as people separating men and women by gender and rationalizing whatever views they may have regarding homosexuality, I can accept that. But it does not change this one constant:

Treating men and women differently for DOING THE SAME THING is a double standard (which is what this thread is about, you probably forgot). Sure, there are rationalizations for why people do it, but it doesn’t change the fact that it is still..a double standard.

… and I’m using “semantics.”

Must be a comedian or something…

Also, it is priceless how you fail to understand the concept that a double standard arises when you are treating people differently for doing THE SAME THING.

So your pregnancy analogy here with this particular topic = irrelevant.

**Edit

A double standard arises when you are treating one group of people differently from another group of people FOR DOING THE SAME THING.

Hope this edit got in fast enough.

@ME
“Also, it is priceless how you fail to understand the concept that a double standard arises when you are treating people differently for doing THE SAME THING.

So your pregnancy analogy here with this particular topic = irrelevant.”
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Um… sexually men and women CAN’T do the same thing. But I won’t even get into that.

I will say that BOTH create life, which is how I phrased it in my initial question for you to answer yes or no to.

Steps to determine a double standard

1. determine what we are comparing
ex. men to women, men to men, women to women
2. what issue is at hand
ex. homosexuality, maternity leave, etc
3. what are the differences for each
ex. more pay, more time off, harsher treatment,etc

YOU chose to compare MEN TO WOMEN in step 1. That was YOUR CHOICE!!!!!! It is NOT required by the defnintion to compare MEN TO WOMEN or MEN TO MEN or WOMEN TO WOMEN.

It’s up to the individual making the determination!! Yes, you are right on “step 3″ but you are trying to avoid acknowledging STEP 1!!!!

@MIJDC:

Well, they are trying to figure out why there is a “double standard.” (there really isn’t a double standard though
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Merriam Webster(dot)com:

One entry found.

Main Entry:
double standard
Function:
noun
Date:
1894
a set of principles that applies differently and usually more rigorously to one group of people or circumstances than to another ; especially : a code of morals that applies more severe standards of sexual behavior to women than to men

I’m out but you know ima check back to read your response!!

@MIJDC

I’ll see you when you get back, I’ll be looking for you.

@ME
“Now…again, the definition of double standard:

One entry found.

Main Entry:
double standard
Function:
noun
Date:
1894

1: bimetallism2: a set of principles that applies differently and usually more rigorously to one group of people or circumstances than to another ; especially : a code of morals that applies more severe standards of sexual behavior to women than to men
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Now, the pharse “double standard” is open to interpetation. Um. Who decides which “group” to compare? LOL.

I can hear you screaming: “That according to the post blah blah blah.” HA HA HA

I told you from the beginning that if you compare a woman to a man (and vice versa) in homosexuality than yes, by definition it is a “double standard.” I NEVER DISPUTED THAT. You took one snipet of a two -three day conversation between “KAMI” and I and made assumptions about it. Point blank.Her first comment to me at 11:58 was “I knew you would be in here.” Read KAMI’S response at 12:16 to my original post!! “That makes sense.” The first thing you SHOULD of done is try to understand what I was referring to and what we were discussing. LOL. In other words learn the “context!!”

At any rate, this post brings up a bigger question. How long have people been pointing out “double standards” between the genders? Um… it will never change because men and women are SIMILAR but not IDENTICAL. That’s why it is NOT a fair comparison. Just like comparing “apples to oranges.” -prolly went over your head again…. SMH.

PS: I agree with you on one thing, people for the most part are always going to judge men and women differently. I never have nor will I ever debate that. It’s a fact. Some things are, however, double standards when dealing with the age old battle of the sexes while others are not.

@ME
“No, the term is not open to interpretation. The term double standard has a finite meaning when used in common Americanized English. Note this part: “a set of principles that applies differently to one group of people or circumstances than to another.” You are hung up on the differences of the groups of people, but when talking about double standards, what you’re dealing with is the actual ISSUE. Again, to use this post as an example, the ISSUE isn’t about men and women, the ISSUE is about HOMOSEXUALITY, and the treatment homosexuals receive for being homosexual.

You: “Um. Who decides which “group” to compare? LOL.”

When talking about a double standard, the groups compared are usually the groups dealing with the issue, or standard, if you will. Case in point, homosexual men and homosexual women for this particular topic.”
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LOL… Now, this is where you are fundamentally and indisputable wrong. The term “double standard” is precisely up to interpetation…. just like every word in the English language. Hence judges are paid to INTERPET the legal language of “written” laws. If that is beyond your comprehension than so be it.

Which is why I ask of you “who decides which group to compare?”

In your scenario, with all things being equal and one being male and another being female, than I would find that to be a “inconsistency”. For it to be a “double standard” it would require at least two “groups” to compare. This scenario refers to two individuals.

Now, since I answered your question maybe you can answer mine.

Why is it in your scenario with “maternity leave” you elected to distinguish between groups by limiting the maternity leave privledge to people who actually give birth even if all other factors are identical (same job, both are new parents)?

**furthermore, I ASKED you from the jump what were YOU talking about when you said that it was HOMOSEXUALITY for both sexes. I ASKED YOU why did you address me. From that point YOU should of asked me what I meant or if I could explain myself more. Oh well, whatever tho**

@ME
“…Some things are, however, double standards when dealing with the age old battle of the sexes while others are not…”
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I guess it just depends on how it is “interpeted.” LOL….. and SMH.

@MIJDC

No, it is not “subject to interpretation.” But you know, this is going to go nowhere, as it is apparent that no matter what I say, you’re going to argue semantics and carry on doing so simply because you’re just unwilling to accept being incorrect at this point.

However, I am looking into a way to find out and prove, once and for all, which of us is right when determining the meaning of “double standard” and whether or not it has a finite meaning in common American English or is subject to interpretation as you say. I’ll start working on that soon and get back to you if my plans come to fruition.

To answer your question: In my scenario with maternity leave, I limited it to people who give birth because “maternity leave” in the workplace is a leave of absence specifically given to those who are about to give birth to a child.

@ME
“…Some things are, however, double standards when dealing with the age old battle of the sexes while others are not…”-ME, June 15,2009 10:00am
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“No, it is not ‘subject to interpretation.’”-ME, June 16,2009 2:49pm
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ROFLMAO. Boo, YOU just contradicted yourself. If the meaning is static and can only be interpeted ONE way there is no way your statement at 10:00am could be correct. LOL.

You are a trip. When you can’t rationally explain a counter argument you label it “semantics.” HA HA HA HA.

By all means, do your research. Not just on “double standard” but on language in general. Read the job description for the US Supreme Court. They have dealt with the same document for over 225 years and they are still paid to INTERPET the words. HA HA HA.

You are a trip. I implore you to find something…. anything that specifically limits how ANY word can be interpeted.

@ME

LOL. If the definition can’t be “interpeted” any other way than why can it SOMETIMES be applied in some circumstances while it cannot in other circumstances? LOL It just depends on which way you want to interpet the word. Pure and simple.

You say that “maternity leave” is not a double standard because it only applies to people that physically give birth. So in order for it NOT to be a double standard you have to specify certain circumstances (people who physically give birth)in order to elimnate one group. WHO DECIDES WHAT CIRCUMSTANCES SHOULD BE AND SHOULD NOT BE INCLUDED????

Um….. is it the person that is left to interpet the definition of “double standard” LOL.

You can try all you want but it is unavoidable. Words are interpeted by people… always have been and always will be. In the definition of DOULBE STANDARD itself the term “group” and the term “circumstances” is SUBJECTIVE. I guess you don’t understand that. SMH.

Let me know how that call/e-mail to a judge and/or the publishers of said dictionaries go, as well. ROFLMAO.

@MIJDC

WHO DECIDES WHAT CIRCUMSTANCES SHOULD BE AND SHOULD NOT BE INCLUDED???

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WOW. LOLOLOL.

@ME
“a set of principles that applies differently and usually more rigorously to one group of people or circumstances than to another ; especially : a code of morals that applies more severe standards of sexual behavior to women than to men
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I amswered your question when it posed (your scenario with the marijuana arrest)… so at the risk of this being called “semantics” (lol) and blah blah blah. Humor me… and answer the question.

Using the definition above, who decides which group to compare and under what circumstances?

**duckin questions and stuff…. ha ha ha ha**

@MIJDC

Real slick. You didn’t really answer my question. I know that you’re not a complete retard. You knew damn well given the context of our conversation that in my marijuana scenario I didn’t mean a one time thing. I meant that if what happened where you were sent to jail, I was given a fine and that was what generally happened, would it be a double standard? I know you knew that but just chose to nit pick. It’s cool cause I know your game, bro.

Anyway, using the definition given of double standard, the group is determined by the issue. In example, the issue in this post is Homosexuality and how you are treated for being homosexual. The groups are determined by this. Who sleeps with their own gender? Homosexual men and homosexual women.

I don’t know if the whole “ducking questions” thing was directed at me or not. I will assume it wasn’t because I already said this in the past when you asked.

Anyway, answer me. With all things being true in the previous marijuana scenario I gave you, and this was something that regularly happened–the men go to jail, the women get fines, would you call this a double standard? Yes or no.

@ME
“Anyway, answer me. With all things being true in the previous marijuana scenario I gave you, and this was something that regularly happened–the men go to jail, the women get fines, would you call this a double standard? Yes or no.”
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Again, (because I said so already) if this happened consistently and all other things being equal than yes. It could be considered a double standard if you someone decides to compare men to women.

@MIJDC

I think the issue or topic at hand would dictate which groups to compare. In a discussion about a double standard between the treatment of homosexual men and women, why would you compare anyone else other than homosexual men and homosexual women?

With my marijuana scenario, an issue regarding a double standard between men and women punished by law for carrying marijuana, why would you use any group OTHER than men caught by the police with marijuana and women caught by the police with marijuana.

Again, the issue dictates the groups involved. To say any other groups wouldn’t make sense when dealing with the issue at hand.

@ME
“In a discussion about a double standard between the treatment of homosexual men and women”
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Are you purposely avoiding the question that I pose? Again… A PERSON has to DECIDE to compare a man against a woman in order for it be an “issue?” Correct?

Not avoiding anything, I answered. It would be a person who’d notice an issue. Who else is going to notice it. Cats? Dogs?

Are you going to say because a person notices an issue, that the person decides that it’s a double standard since they are the one noticing the issue?

@ME
“Not avoiding anything, I answered. It would be a person who’d notice an issue. Who else is going to notice it. Cats? Dogs?

Are you going to say because a person notices an issue, that the person decides that it’s a double standard since they are the one noticing the issue?”
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No, the person doesn’t decide if it is a double standard per se…. BUT the PERSON decides WHAT TO COMPARE!!

My entire argument, which you validated indirectly, is that MEN and WOMEN should NOT be compared because they are fundamentally different to begin with so naturally they will have different standards. Homosexuality is no different.

You are going to say “the topic of the thread” blah blah blah. But, as I pointed out to you earlier, my comment to KAMI was in reference to a two to three day conversation about this very topic. That men and women shouldn’t be compared and I was giving her the reason why. In her first comment she stated “didn’t we talk about this the other day.” You never asked what Kami and I discussed. You took my one statement and applied it strictly to this particular thread.

@ME
“why would they compare groups that really do not relate to the “double standard” that is being debated?”
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And that is MY point!!! Men are women don’t “RELATE.” They are different!! So why would you compare the two under ANY issue? I said this from the VERY beginning. It’s like comparing apples to oranges. In order to consider it a “double standard” it depends on how the person interpets the phrase. If it is applied to men vs women or whatever.

AND I DID tell you several times that I WASN’T TALKING STRICTLY IN REFERENCE TO THE POST!! You just kept copyin and pasting my comment instead of ASKING. Not one time did you ask, yet you denied that you made an “assumption.”

testing

@MIJDC

And that is MY point!!! Men are women don’t “RELATE.” They are different!! So why would you compare the two under ANY issue?
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So why did you agree in my marijuana scenario, then, that it would be a double standard if men did jail time for having the substance on their person and women committing the same crime only received a fine, if the two shouldn’t be compared under ANY issue? That is what you said.

And I will apologize FOR THIS: If you did mention that you were talking about another discussion with Kami early on, I obviously missed it. I would have dropped the whole thing at that.

And FYI, your avatar was of the Punisher but is now Kobe.

@ME
“So why did you agree in my marijuana scenario, then, that it would be a double standard if men did jail time for having the substance on their person and women committing the same crime only received a fine, if the two shouldn’t be compared under ANY issue? That is what you said.

And I will apologize FOR THIS: If you did mention that you were talking about another discussion with Kami early on, I obviously missed it. I would have dropped the whole thing at that.

And FYI, your avatar was of the Punisher but is now Kobe.”
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I only agreed on the marijuana scenario because you SPECIFICALLY made the comparison between men and women and requested a yes or no answer. That’s why I stated that IF someone decided to compare a man to a woman THAN YES it would fit the defintion of a “double standard.” HOWEVER, that does not CONTRADICT my argument thta it depends on what a person decides to compare.

If I said ALL the men got equal senteces regardless of age, income, background etc. Is their a “double standard” in any way?

If I said ALL the women got an equal sentence regardless of age, income, background, etc. is their a “double standard” in any way?

EVEN USING THE DEFINITION IT COMPLETELY DEPENDS ON WHAT THE PERSON DECIDES TO COMPARE!!

Yeah, some fool started “impostering me” after I posted my email address. Yeah I know, foolish on my part to post my email. Anyway, for the time being the one with Kobe is the real me. Under my old email address i have put up a gravie that says “Imposter Alert” so it may take a while to show up.

@MIJDC

So then you feel then a double standard can only exist when the two groups are specifically compared?

I have to head out for a bit but as always, I’ll be checking back.

@ME
“So then you feel then a double standard can only exist when the two groups are specifically compared?

I have to head out for a bit but as always, I’ll be checking back. ”
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Yes. By the definition it specifically states that “two groups.”

BUT there are no limits on what the groups can consist of. So no matter what the situation is one would need to COMPARE a MAN to a WOMAN to determine if a “double standard” exists.

The problem with this is that men and women are fundamentally different…. just like apples and oranges.

The issue, however, would or better yet SHOULD state what the two groups are–and for the double standard to be true, the issue should pertain to both groups equally. If this isn’t the case, then it couldn’t possibly be a double standard.

@ME
“The issue, however, would or better yet SHOULD state what the two groups are–and for the double standard to be true, the issue should pertain to both groups equally. If this isn’t the case, then it couldn’t possibly be a double standard.”
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Nope. The issue can’t even BECOME an “issue” unless someone decides to compare the groups FIRST.

Using your marijuana example, unless a person DECIDES to COMPARE the sentencing between men and women there would never be an issue. The COMPARISON precludes the issue.

The only problem is that comparing EVERYTHING in the LITERAL sense doesn’t take into account fundamental differences that can never be reconciled in some cases between SOME groups. Men and women are two of those group. Like apples and oranges.

So, again, let’s cite my marijuana scenario, you’re saying if things just continue that way and no one says anything, then it’s not a double standard?

@ME
“So, again, let’s cite my marijuana scenario, you’re saying if things just continue that way and no one says anything, then it’s not a double standard?”
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Yes and no. It depends on if someone decides to compare the sentencing for men vs women. Anytime there is a difference, with all other factors being the same, it COULD be considered a double standard. However, it COULD NOT be as well if you DON’T decide to compare men vs women. Like I said earlier, if all men were given the same sentence and all women were given the same sentence, then it is NOT a double standard. The only way you could argue different would be if you compared men vs women.

The part that you are trying not to acknowledge is that in order for it to be considered a double standard someone has to decide to compare “men vs women.” It’s the ONLY way it could ever be considered a double standard.

@MIJDC

The part that you are trying not to acknowledge is that in order for it to be considered a double standard someone has to decide to compare “men vs women.” It’s the ONLY way it could ever be considered a double standard.

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Why would you exclude men and women from comparison in a situation where all things **regarding the issue** are equal? That is what makes it a double standard, the fact that all things regarding the issue are equal, it just happens to be two different groups. Like the marijuana case.

Let’s use the same situation with the marijuana scenario but now say Black men vs. White men. Is it any more or less of a double standard?

@MIJDC

No, I saw where you were coming from. You are of the opinion that since men and women are inherently different, that they shouldn’t be expected to have the same standards. I just happen to disagree with that–in situations where the “issue” is the same. If two groups are doing the same thing and one group is being condemned for it while the other isn’t, I feel there’s a double standard. If you’re going to condemn a man for being homosexual, but give a woman a thumbs up for being homosexual, I see it as a double standard, regardless of gender if the issue is “being homosexual.”

@ME
“No, I saw where you were coming from. You are of the opinion that since men and women are inherently different, that they shouldn’t be expected to have the same standards. I just happen to disagree with that–in situations where the “issue” is the same. If two groups are doing the same thing and one group is being condemned for it while the other isn’t, I feel there’s a double standard. If you’re going to condemn a man for being homosexual, but give a woman a thumbs up for being homosexual, I see it as a double standard, regardless of gender if the issue is “being homosexual.”
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I understand that, but it goes agaisnt logic.

The reason that people, by and large, DO have different standards for men and women is because they recognize that they two are fundamentally different. Yes, by definition it could be considered a “double standard,” and I never denied that, in the same way the different standards for apples and oranges could be considered a “double standard” since they are both fruits.

Again, even taking the “issue” into account, why would you compare something so fundamentally different?

The mere fact that you use “the issue” to determine whether men should be compared to women implies that you acknowledge they shouldn’t ALWAYS be compared. You selectively decide when to include gender in the comparison and when not to include gender into the comparison. Regardless of rationale, and I acknowledge there are legit reasons to include gender, it is still done on a “selective” basis. That in and of itself could be a “double standard.”

@MIJDC

The mere fact that you use “the issue” to determine whether men should be compared to women implies that you acknowledge they shouldn’t ALWAYS be compared. You selectively decide when to include gender in the comparison and when not to include gender into the comparison. Regardless of rationale, and I acknowledge there are legit reasons to include gender, it is still done on a “selective” basis. That in and of itself could be a “double standard.”
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I suppose it’s a matter of perspective. I would tend to expect that people would use common sense in determining what should and shouldn’t be considered a double standard, IE, the homosexual debate and the marijuana debate, both of which you agreed that by definition would be a double standard. From what I’m reading, you seem to be in agreement with me by definition, but are doing a “Devil’s Advocate” type thing, which is fine and I can see that rationale, I just happen to think it’s erroneous if you’re going to look at the definition of the word.

@ME
“I suppose it’s a matter of perspective. I would tend to expect that people would use common sense in determining what should and shouldn’t be considered a double standard, IE, the homosexual debate and the marijuana debate, both of which you agreed that by definition would be a double standard. From what I’m reading, you seem to be in agreement with me by definition, but are doing a “Devil’s Advocate” type thing, which is fine and I can see that rationale, I just happen to think it’s erroneous if you’re going to look at the definition of the word.”
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Yes, it IS a matter of perspective. BUT you stated that “double standard” could not be interpeted in any other ways. That is what I arguing from the beginning.

Also, “common sense” isn’t very “common.” LOL.

Also, do some research on linguistics. The definition of words changes over time due to the fact that people interpet wprds a number of different ways. So the “dictionary” is beholden to the people and people are not beholden to the dictionary.

@MIJDC

Using common sense and looking at the word for what it’s worth, I can not see how someone can make the argument that it’s not a double standard.

As far as linguistics, I know how words change over time, but usually the evolution of language like that is a bit drawn out, that’s to say once it reaches the point that it’s no longer just “slang” status. This is why dictionaries have multiple editions.

@ME
“Using common sense and looking at the word for what it’s worth, I can not see how someone can make the argument that it’s not a double standard.

As far as linguistics, I know how words change over time, but usually the evolution of language like that is a bit drawn out, that’s to say once it reaches the point that it’s no longer just “slang” status. This is why dictionaries have multiple editions. ”
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Oh yes, I agree, on face value it can easily be determined to be a “double standard.” Like most people however I just find the comparison of men and women to be flawed in most cases.

Yeah in most cases it takes a while for the definition of words to change or for slang to be “accepted” but that’s not always the case. I’m just sayin.

And thus brings the close of a one week and one day long debate.

Have a good weekend!