Controversial Investigative Report on the Black Church: The Grassley Investigation

Posted on July 8th, 2009 - By Bossip Staff

Categories: Bolitics, News

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We have found that since 1980, that Black Churches have collected more than $400 billion dollars from their congregations. There has been an active approach taken to investigate where the funds are spent and why there is a lack of church sponsored activity in the community. More…

  • rome a.k.a. ( Mark Sandford should take a page from Sarah Palins’ book and get the hell on!!!!!)

    Give it a rest already.

  • Joy

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  • http://www.myspace.com/mzpayne_11 Smoovee Sayz (Yes, Chris Tucker was there!!)

    Oh my…

    Only thing that has always been suspect to me are the constant “building funds”…
    yep that would be a problem

  • getagrip

    They NEED to be investigated! It’s a disgrace to drive around in luxury cars and live in mansions when more than half of the people these “churches” take money from are low-income church members.

  • BE

    The church is meant to be taken care of by its members. All faiths collect money not just black churches: catholics, jewish, jehovah witness, scientology

  • the_one

    What is new, we give to our churches but we never question what they do with the money. How many building funds do we need or reverands in expensive cars while the community their mega church is in suffers, that is our fault.

    Yeah I give my title and offering but I will also do for my fellow man because at the end of the day its me standing before God answering for what I did and I am not going to let soapbox reverend so and so keep me from the gates of eternity.

    I will say this the gov’t is trying to take the money back, because God forbid if the money we have is not scrutinize more carefully to continue to control us.

    Its a double edge sword, you want to protect churches but you know many of them are doing our communities wrong.

  • the_one

    I meant “tithe”

  • http://www.myspace.com/mzpayne_11 Smoovee Sayz (Yes, Chris Tucker was there!!)

    @ Glok…I understand ur frustration. U have to go to church and ignore the circus that sometimes maybe around u…I know its hard to do. Im having that issue now. I know I love the lord and Im praying a lot more I just cant get with the hypocritical holy rollers…
    My man and I went to this church and the way they did the offering was too much…started that mess off like “who has $100.00 to give/please come down” then they went to $75 to $50 and down…GTFOH
    The pastor and First Lady were bling bling all up in the place

  • Glok9n: Lev 20:13!!

    SMOOVEE!
    IF YOU LOVE CREATOR SISTA, KNOW THAT HE DONT DWELL IN PLACES MADE OF WOOD AND STONE…HE DWELLS IN YOU …AND THATZ WHAT THE CHURCH IS A BIZNESS AND NOT A PLACE TO LEARN OF THE CREATOR…I SEEN AN ATM IN A CHURCH BEFORE …GO FIGURE!

  • Rrrrroe Ski Love-

    Ebony featured Creflo Dollars house in their magazine. It was sinful just to look at it. If Jesus said to give up your worldly possesions and follow him. Why in the hell are these pastors living and acting like the world. I have zero respect for these dudes and I am well equiped biblically to challenge their lifestyle, therfore they avoid me like the plague. I have learned the truth, but unfortunatley I had to go though the ringer (church) a few times to finally get it. I went to church my whole life from the time I was a little kid. When I thought that I had heard enough, I asked God for discernment so I could know the truth. He provided me with the real truth and he also gave me peace and understanding.

  • http://www.myspace.com/mzpayne_11 Smoovee Sayz (Yes, Chris Tucker was there!!)

    @ PRPPLE…Ur right. church is where u make it.

    @ Glok…an ATM in the church???
    Oh lawd!

  • Slick Like Baby Hair

    @ Glok:

    Amen, brutha! Took years to learn the truth about that and undertand the God/Christ dwells within; not in wood & stone. My daughter researched and discovered the truth about organized religion IN THE 6TH GRADE!!! Wake up people. (BTW-she also discovered, thru research, that the MUSLIM faith is the basis for ALL faiths that followed and branched off to secular religion…interesting.)

  • Kaviani

    Most churches/organized religions are corrupt as hell. Especially the big ones. They already get tax exemptions, but still want more, more, MORE. I have no sympathy.

  • Glok9n: Lev 20:13!!

    SLICK LIKE BABY HAIR
    YOU RIGHT THE FIRST RELIGION IS MUSLIM…CHRISTIANITY IS FAKE TOO THE DEVIL MADE UP THESE RELIGIONS..PPL WAKE UP THE CREATOR MADE COMMANDMENTS LAWS AND STATUTES,..NOT RELIGION!

  • Glok9n: Lev 20:13!!

    SMOOVEE!
    AN ATM! NOW IF YOU AINT GOT NO MONEY OR NO CHANGE …THEY GONNA MAKE IT POSSIBLE FOR YOU TO TITHE, ITS ALL SMOKE AN MIRRORS!

  • http://www.myspace.com/mzpayne_11 Smoovee Sayz (Yes, Chris Tucker was there!!)

    Damn I didnt know the MUSLIM faith was the base to all the rest…

    Also speaking in tongues/and shouting…
    can anyone explain how does one start to do those or when

  • Ok

    someone told me that at her church, there was a pastor who wanted a bently for his birthday and wife and deacons were asking all the members to chip in to purchase this car! She said she didnt because she didnt have a car herself…. needless to say, she was kicked out the church and he got his bently!! SMH….. this system is going to end soon… SMH

  • Glok9n: Lev 20:13!!

    PURP!
    YES ,WE HAD TO BEEN THERE AND EXPERIENCE TO TALK LIKE THIS RIGHT? ,…BUT THAT LIGHT HIT ME WHEN I HEARD LIES BEING TOLD IN CHURCH, HA, THE PASTOR AND HIS MANY UNHOLY TRAMPS IN THE FRONT ROW!

  • Brooklyn Dub

    I am no fan of organized religion in any fashion but you can’t be serious when you say Islam was the first religion? In fact, anyone who makes that statement understands nothing of human history regarding religion (Muhammad was born almost 600 years after Christ).

    Judaism, Christianity, and Islam came in that order and are cousins of each other because they were born of the same monotheistic idealogy (belief in one god) and book (Old Testament).

    Now regarding the black church, it has its function politically, and socially for the black community, but that is about it. Those expecting the individuals who talk most about God to act most like Christ, will consistently be disappointed.

  • Ok

    @ smoovee- my understanding from the way I was brought up was that speaking in tounges was something used only in bible times as ways from GOD to prophesy… there are only three acounts in the entire bible of anyone ever speaking in tounges. It was almost like a miracle. However, in 1 corinthians paul wrote that speaking in tounges was to cease. Which to me, would mean it would happen anymore.

  • Molly P.

    Another question: How much has the Catholic church collected fom its congregation?

    Oh, nobody bothered to investigate them.

  • Ok

    @ glok9n- that is what I believe when I hear of people speaking in tounges now…. its demons, not God holy spirit.

  • BOSSIP PROMOTES SELF-HATE AMONG BLACKS!!!

    PEOPLE ON THIS SITE SHOULD BE CAREFUL WHAT THEY SAY ABOUT THE MEN AND WOMEN OF GOD.

    THERE IS A SUCH THING AS HEAVEN AND HELL. THERE WILL A BE A RAPTURE, GOD WILL COME BACK…KEEP THAT IN MIND.

  • Glok9n: Lev 20:13!!

    YOU PPL HAVE TO FIRST KNOW WHAT GODS YOU SERVE CAUSE ITS THOUSANDS OF THEM ..AND THESE PASTORS FEED OFF THAT FALSE GODLY ENERGY,AND THE MOST HIGH CREATED THE EARTH IN 7 DAYS ,..HE BLESSED THE SEVENTH A DAY OF REST, SATURDAY..NOT SUNDAY ,..SEE THESE PASTORS KNOW THAT THEY HAVE YOU SERVING SATAN ON SUNDAY THE FIRST DAY OF THE WEEK”SUNWORSHIP” SUN-DAY…LOOK AT YOUR CALENDARS!

  • L

    I don’t go to a large church so I wouldn’t know anything about this…

  • Glok9n: Lev 20:13!!

    BROOKLN DUB!
    WHATZ JUDAISM?…LOOK YOU CANT TAKE A NAME OF A PERSON AND CHANGE THAT INTO A RELIGION ,..SO YOU WRONG ….CHRISTIAN: IS TO BE CHRIST LIKE ..NOT A RELIGION FROM GOD …MUSLIM A RELIGION …CHECK THE DEFINITION OF THE WORD RELIGION IN A BIBLE DICTIONARY….IT MEANS TO HOLD BACK AND RESTRAIN FROM …FROM WHO ?

  • http://bossip.com This some shhhh…

    Disturbing to say the least. There are some churches that are not promoting the greater good of their members, but to lump all Black churches into that catagory (or give the appeareance thereof)is shameful. That’s like saying all Black people are the same.

  • diamondgurl

    Why are you so open about taking advantage of the wealth this church has given you?”

    Dollars response was simple, “Because the Bible says so.” He went on to say, It’s amazing the number of people who say they read the Bible, and I think, “What are you reading?” The Bible makes it so very clear: Preach the Gospel to the poor. What’s the Gospel to the poor? You don’t have to be poor anymore!

    HAHAHA…this man’s gotta be kidding!!! He’s playing on people’s faith, ignorance and gullability. I live around the corner from this fool’s church compound. The church was used for my son’s h.s.graduation and I’m sure a handsome fee was paid to use the building…and it was on a sunday, too. I was waiting, just waiting for a plate to be passed around after Long got up and said his two cents. Luckily, he wasn’t that uncouth but I guess he had already got paid.

    These pastors are nothing but CROOKS, straight up. They have interpreted the bible to fatten their own pockets and it’s incredible how hundreds and thousands of people don’t see it.

  • Glok9n: Lev 20:13!!

    MY PPL ,BLK PPL!
    DONT FALL VICTIM TO THE TRAPS OF THIS WHITEMAN MADE RELIGIOUS CONFUSION.THE DEVIL IS THE AUTHOR OF THIS CHOAS AND CONFUSION …BUT THE ALMIGHTY IS THE AUTHOR OF ORDER AND CLARITY.IF YOU FIND YOUR MIND BEING TWISTED IN A KNOT,THEN YOU KNOW THAT THIS DEVIL IS INVOLVED..THINK ABOUT IT!

  • http://www.bossip.com This Again

    The black church should be there for the community in times of need not taking care of them. Black people always looking for a damn handout. Instead of being angry about church be angry that your tax dollars support inmates (people who CHOSE to do wrong)welfare and sec 8. I’m tired of supporting those that cant or wont support themselves.
    When you tithe you give to the Lord with the understanding the money can be used for anything even the player pastors pimp ride. You may not like a pastor or his church but dont knock those who do receive messages from them.

  • Brooklyn Dub

    Glok9n,

    Please try to stay on point. There was a claim made that Islam (or Muslim as you call it) was the base religion for all organized religion that followed. THIS IS FALSE. Islam is in fact that last chapter that started with Judaism (Old Testament), continued with Christianity (New Testament), and ended with the Islam (Koran). If you know these books (which I highly doubt), you will see that they are based upon one another.

    We do agree on one point, religion is a man made concept that is designed to restrict, oppress, and exploit, so I guess the devil could be the author.

  • Glok9n: Lev 20:13!!

    THEN ASK YOURSELF THIS: WHERE IS THE BEST PLACE FOR A DEVIL TO HIDE?
    WHERE IS THE LAST PLACE THAT YOU WOULD LOOK FOR A DEVIL?
    WELL THE ANSWERS :WELL , THE BEST PLACE FOR A DEVIL TO HIDE IS IN RELIGION, AND THE LAST PLACE YOU WILL FIND A DEVIL IS IN A CHURCH,MOSQUE, TEMPLE,OR SYNAGOGE!

  • diamondgurl

    @Brooklyn Dub

    “religion is a man made concept that is designed to restrict, oppress, and exploit…”

    COSIGN!!!

  • http://www.bossip.com This Again

    Creflo and Bishop Long get paid outside the church. They have books speaking engements and business. So all that lavishness does not come from church tithes.

  • L

    Aw snaps! I just read the article…

    @diamondgurl…

    Does Bishop Long do anything for your community that you know of??

  • Glok9n: Lev 20:13!!

    BROOKLN DUB!
    I MADE A GRAVE MISTAKE BUT IM NOT THAT OFF CHRISTIANS WAS THE FIRST AND ISLAM SOON AFTER ! I MADE A MISTAKE LADIES ..
    @SMOOVEE AND SLICK LIKE BABY HAIR!

  • http://bossip.com This some shhhh…

    Grassley said he is not interested in religion or doctrine, only the tax issues.

    Again, I ask. Why isn’t all religions that fall under the tax umbrella being investigated? This is the devils work to isolate the Black community and to remove the support from the churches.

  • It’s Me Bitches….

    @Slick Like Baby Hair:

    Islam is NOT the first religion. Judism is. The old testament is basically the torah. Christianity is an obvious branch off a Judism(thru Jesus), Islam is a branch off of Judism also.

  • Xtra Smedium

    I live less than two minutes away from Club New Birth (Eddie Long’s church). It’s ridiculous the number of people that are going to that place only to see who’s wearing what, or who’s driving what, or to hook up with somebody else that goes there. They have a gym and what looks like a football field. I was walking my dog one Sunday and some old dude stops after church and says they need more beautiful sisters like me in the church. I told him I would run it past my husband and he drove away. What if I was ugly? Idiots. I’m just sayin…

  • El PapiRatzi

    If the black church had 400 million coming in. How much did the white church have coming in? And are they being questions or held accountable for what they have done with the funds?

    Think about it???

  • Glok9n: Lev 20:13!!

    WHAT THE FUK IS JUDAISM ?…JUDA IS A MAN NOT A RELIGION …. THE THREE REMAINING TRIBES FOLLOWED CHRIST WHICH MADE THEM CHRISTIANS!

  • Glok9n: Lev 20:13!!

    JUDAH, LEVI, AND BENJAMIN WERE THE ONLY TRIBES LEFT AT THAT TIME!

  • Brown Sugar

    And I forgot to mention. It’s not just black churches, it all churches where the members have to take care of their pastor.

  • Glok9n: Lev 20:13!!

    BISHOP EDDIE LONG IS A SATANIST!

  • Ok

    @brown sugar- the world is passing away and so is its desires and I believe that! All we can do is get right and be prepared!

  • Glok9n: Lev 20:13!!

    TIME IS GET RIGHT NOW, YOU DONT HAVE TIME TO THINK ABOUT THIS, THEIR AGENDA IS ALREADY WORKING…YOU BETTER SAVE YOU …FUK ANYBODY ELSE …I MEAN WARN THEM BUT IF THEY ALREADY CAUGHT UP ,..FUKEM , DO YOU !

  • http://bossip Maria

    Please stop talking about the man of God. Bishop LONG is a Great man of God.

  • Slide Like A Fresh Pair of Gators

    the church has gotten caught up in materialism and greed, uh a lifestyle. Many ministers today want to live like celebrities and they want to be treated like celebrities
    ______________________________________________

    That’s one of the main problems with today’s church and everybody/anybody who has a brain can see it…

    When people hear stuff like this it turns them away from church and organized religion… SMH

    It’s bad enough it’s hard to find a good church that focuses on God & Jesus Christ…

    Now this!!!

    When this report comes out A LOT of people are gonna be embarrassed and have A LOT of explaining to do… SMH

  • Glok9n: Lev 20:13!!

    MARIA !
    WHAT GOD IS HE A MAN OF….MONEY? THATZ THE ONLY THING HE PRAY TO,… HE IS A DEMON IN DISGUISE HE SERVE BAPHOMET SWEETY DO SOME RESERACH PLZ! YOU HIS SHEEPLE HUH?

  • Glok9n: Lev 20:13!!

    RESEARCH!

  • Slide Like A Fresh Pair of Gators

    Ebony featured Creflo Dollars house in their magazine. It was sinful just to look at it.
    _______________________________________________

    @Rrrrroe Ski Love

    I know EXACTLY what you’re talking about!!!

    There was this TV Evangelist that comes on TV over here where I live at and one Sunday morning when I was skipping through channels he had the nerve to show his house (*we know why = to show off)…

    I looking at the TV and am like why are you showing this? This doesn’t help your ministry not one bit… Because instantly when I see that I’m thinking that’s where the tithes and offering is going to = to support his lavish lifestyle and over the top expensive possessions… SMH

  • dubya

    Molly P.

    Another question: How much has the Catholic church collected fom its congregation?

    Oh, nobody bothered to investigate them.
    —————————————————-
    Two points…
    1. A statement of deflection (the doings of the catholic church) DOES NOT make the initial premise (black churches) any less wrong or any more justifiable.

    2. The catholic church make take in lots of money, but the priest, bishops, nuns, etc…take a vow of poverty and are NOT driving around in Mercedes.

  • http://bossip.com This some shhhh…

    dubya

    Molly P.

    Another question: How much has the Catholic church collected fom its congregation?

    Oh, nobody bothered to investigate them.
    —————————————————-
    Two points…
    1. A statement of deflection (the doings of the catholic church) DOES NOT make the initial premise (black churches) any less wrong or any more justifiable.

    2. The catholic church make take in lots of money, but the priest, bishops, nuns, etc…take a vow of poverty and are NOT driving around in Mercedes.

    —————–

    The article is misleading in the way it reads. It says the did a study and Black churches have collected over 400 million since the 80′s. Then it goes on to say Grasselly’s investigation is into where that money was going. To imply that Black churches were being investigated. Then he throws in 2 out of the 6 that are white. Then singles out 2 who fall into the mega church status. So again, why aren’t Episcopalians, Methodist, Catholic, Seven Day Adventist, Mormons, Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, etc, included?

  • http://bossip researchingthetruth

    @GLOCK 9N

    IF THE LAST 3 TRIBES FOLLOWED CHRIST THEN WHAT DID THE OTHER 9 TRIBES FOLLOW

  • Danielle

    This Senator is not a member of the IRS. What if we asked him for his Tax records and to prove his deductions I am sure he would not furnish them. It is none of his business what is given to the church and how it is used. If I give to the church that I my business NOT the Senators. Again none of the pastors mentioned receive a salary from the church they get money from book deals just as our former presidents do. It would be one thing if the members of these churches were complaining but we are not so neither should anyone else. I will say this again, I feel sorry for any Pastor or member that steals from the church as they will have God’s hand againist them and his wrath is far greater than anything that this Senator can do.

  • Slide Like A Fresh Pair of Gators

    I’m happy and VERY pleased that they are doing these investigations!!!

    EXPOSE THESE FRAUDS!!!

    Doesn’t it say in the Bible “what is done in the dark shall soon come to the light”… And so that means to me that they are getting their just desserts and what they deserve!!!

    Some of them (*corrupt & crooked pastors) are NOT ONLY taking advantage of the people who believe in God and the Church, they are taking advantage of their tax exempt status and it’s truly sad how some of them are misusing those peoples hard earned dollars… SMH

    You can’t and shouldn’t be taking advantage of the downtrodden, gullible and persons who are desperate to find meaning in life and purpose or those looking to be apart of something which stands for something and is positive or to uplift the community…

    If they ain’t doing nothing wrong then it shouldn’t be a problem to hand over the documents that were requested…

    If you wanna live large and spread the word of God by all means go ahead and do it – just do what the legitimate evangelist do and that is do personal appearances & speeches, sell books, DVD’s and CD’s… If you’re really good and inspirational people will purchase those items from you…

  • http://bossip.com This some shhhh…

    In the article Creflo Dollar was qouted as saying this investigation should be headed by the IRS. I believe that to be true. If the IRS is fine with the tax status, what concern is it of this Senator? What is the motivation behind Grassely’s limited investigation?

  • Caramel Cat

    @dubya

    Two points…
    1. A statement of deflection (the doings of the catholic church) DOES NOT make the initial premise (black churches) any less wrong or any more justifiable.

    2. The catholic church make take in lots of money, but the priest, bishops, nuns, etc…take a vow of poverty and are NOT driving around in Mercedes.

    ~~~

    I’m so glad you pointed this out…

  • http://bossip.com This some shhhh…

    @ Danielle – I agree with your comments. It is up to the members and the Board to insure they are in compliance with the guidelines and the auditor (IRS) to enforce. We have got to be able to recognize we we are being mislead.

  • honeybee

    well i was currently a memeber of new birth church with bishop eddie long. my thing is why are these outsiders hating on what these men and women of god built. what haters don’t tell is the positive stuff how these ministers give back to the community.

  • http://bossip.com This some shhhh…

    What if this Senator decided to start an investigation into the taxes paid by middle income families, but it ended up being and investigation into Black middle income families. Would the debate be about whether having to pay taxes is right or wrong?

  • http://bossip.com This some shhhh…

    @ Slide – you know you funny as hell, my nicca.

  • Iyan

    Wow! I knew about the Dollar incident, but I didn’t think it had gone this far. Yes! I say if you are church going, you should pay your tithes. How else will the church pay it’s bills? My Uncle has been a pastor for more than 20 years and rides a minivan, so he can pick the kids up for Sunday school, and bible study, choir rehersal, take members of his congregation to the grocery store. Just in case you thinking, he has no other car. He takes care of his congregation and his community the best way he can. This is not BS, he does that and more. He is on beck and call to anyone that is fortunate enough to have his number. He collects money for his CHURCH, he doesn’t need a bentley, doesn’t need a mansion, all he needs is for his congregation and his community to listen to his gospel. And he is happy! Trust me! It’s his life! So, when I see this crap, about exempt on taxes, fraud and what not, it makes me sick. I do believe what the man is saying about needing to know where the money is going.

  • Caramel Cat

    I wonder if the pastor’s of these mega churches are members of the boule…

  • Doomster

    Creflo Dollar has a harsh lesson coming his way. Disgrace of a man.

  • Red

    I must admit our Black churches need to be more involved in the communities there churches are located. There is a huge need to help our children. The help that is needed could come from our churches. All we can do is pray that our churches would get there priorities straight. Those of us who are christians the bible tells us to pay our tithes and offerings. After we pay our tithes and offering it is up to the leaders of the church to make sure that the money paid in is used correctly.

  • Woudat X

    ANOTHER CASE OF THE WYTE MAN TRYING TO THWART THE BLACK’S MAN HUSTLE-INCOME…. THE CHURCH TITHE IS THE NEW “FIRM BIZ” Y’ALL…. PUSHIN DRUGS IS PLAYED OUT. BLACK MEN ARE HUSTLIN WITH EVANGELISM NA…

  • Green Grass

    I read the article and I didnt feel like all black churches were being lumped together, just the oens with celebrity pastors.

  • Glok9n: Lev 20:13!!

    CARAMEL CAT!
    NO NEED TO WONDER ..THEY ALL A PART OF BOULE, THEY ARE ALL FOUNDED UNDER A MAN NAME….KENNETH COPELAND AN EVANGELIST!

  • Caramel Cat

    @Glok

    Word?! Ok, then it all makes sense…lol

  • Slide Like A Fresh Pair of Gators

    you know you funny as hell, my nicca.
    _____________________________________________

    @This some shhhh…

    Thanks Fam, I appreciate it…

    I be wondering sometimes about what people think about what I put up on here…

    I feel kinda bad though, because what I said to “enkogkneegro” had nothing to do with the serious matter my homie was discussing but I brought it up anyways… Oh well, it was inappropriate but I hope he overlooks it and that his son came through ok…

    Thanks again…

  • Slide Like A Fresh Pair of Gators

    There is a huge need to help our children.
    ______________________________________________

    @Red

    You’re right ’cause there are a lot of “crack babies” out there and them Grandma’s can’t do it all by themselves…

    It takes more than a few good lashes via them extension cords – they NEED Jesus!!!

    Praise Him Halleluah!!!

  • http://bossip.com This some shhhh…

    @ Slide – It’s all good.

    @enkogkneegro – He heard your prayers. When my daughter was battling cancer, I got to a quite spot and got on my kness and prayed directly to the source. I agree with the pople that posted that church is in the home. Anybody can accept Jesus as their savior and are saved from that moment on. Glad to hear your son is well.

  • Glok9n: Lev 20:13!!

    CARAMEL CAT!
    I KNOW I DONT HAVE TO TELL YOU ..YOU ALREADY KNOW..LOL!

    WHAT UP FELLAZ …@SLIDE ! …@THIS SOME SHHH ! DROPPING THEM JEWELz HUH?!

  • TNR

    The Catholic priest may take a vow of proverty but best believe that the “church” is paid. How else could they pay all of those child molestation lawsuites? How else can they buy up land in poor communities to build upscale apartments? How else can they buy radio stations?

    2nd point

    I do think the Sen. is reaching out of his scope of power. Let the IRS do their job.

    3rd point
    I go to a fairly large church, My pastor has nice things, I don’t have a problem with that. He works hard and has other business ventures, get your money.

    But my church also has a food pantry, prison ministry, job ministry, debt ministry so on and so forth. So we do many things in our community.

    I am a faithful tither. I am doing what I am supposed to do so if by chance my pastor is not it is on him not me.

  • dubya

    TNR

    The Catholic priest may take a vow of proverty but best believe that the “church” is paid. How else could they pay all of those child molestation lawsuites? How else can they buy up land in poor communities to build upscale apartments? How else can they buy radio stations?

    2nd point

    I do think the Sen. is reaching out of his scope of power. Let the IRS do their job.

    3rd point
    I go to a fairly large church, My pastor has nice things, I don’t have a problem with that. He works hard and has other business ventures, get your money.

    But my church also has a food pantry, prison ministry, job ministry, debt ministry so on and so forth. So we do many things in our community.

    I am a faithful tither. I am doing what I am supposed to do so if by chance my pastor is not it is on him not me.
    —————————————————-
    You are comparing apples with oranges. Taken a vow of poverty as an “employee” of the Vatican is not in the same vein as the business plan set forth by the catholic church.

    All of those purchases made by the catholic church are a part of its business plan. Just as these mega churches are businesses, so is the catholic church. As long as purchases, acquisitions, mergers, and so forth are plainly stated and are accounted for correctly there is NO problem.

    There is a problem when an organization’s business plan and accounting do not match up as is the case in these black churches. Not properly accounting for gifts and expenditures creates red flags.

    We are not arguing about accumulation of wealth rather, we are arguing the misuse of said wealth.

  • enkogkneegro

    @ You know who you are…….

    I recently had the pleasure of meeting a younglady where I work and after some chit chat found out we both blog here and a few other places. I happened to be blogging at the time we were talking and she saw my gravi, I showed her pics of my kids and grandkids and we went thru our days nicely…..I’m married and so old I’m damn near coughing up dust so when I tell ya’ll she not only gorgeous but intellegent and down to earth its not an attempt to score any points but just ackowledging whats real and lettin the fellas know that somebody up in here is a hottie. I never got her blog name so unfortunately I can’t point her out, but on those occasions where the ladies be doggin another woman out and someone says “I bet you don’t look half as good as old girl”……yea this one here does……

  • Loch Ness monster

    Inner-city black churches have been robbing black people for years.
    Only church I ever swore that I’d join is the one in Vicksburg, MS that my grandmother and great-grandmother attended. Their funerals were also held there. Small church with a southern feel. Preacher wasn’t driving a Bentley or Mercedes like these clowns in Detroit nor did the church have it’s own ‘band’, theater, or restaurant.
    What ever happened to humility and being humble?

  • Cleveland

    The black churches today aren’t anything like the churches in our grandparents day. All they care about is raking in the cash and living like emperors. They do nothing for poor, black communities except fill them up with storefront churches run by bootleg pimping preachers. Any fool can wrap a collar around his neck and call himself a preacher.

  • http://bossip.com This some shhhh…

    Glok9n: Lev 20:13!!

    CARAMEL CAT!
    I KNOW I DONT HAVE TO TELL YOU ..YOU ALREADY KNOW..LOL!

    WHAT UP FELLAZ …@SLIDE ! …@THIS SOME SHHH ! DROPPING THEM JEWELz HUH?!

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    Shalom, my brotha. You know how we do it. You hit them from one side and I tag them from the other. That combo they might get in the streets.

  • Slide Like A Fresh Pair of Gators

    @Glok9n

    Whad up, man…

    Like I said earlier I’m happy they are getting rid of the corrupt preachers and exposing the fruads…

    I’m trying to do a little bit of what you do on the regular…

    We got different viewpoints sometimes but the end result is the same…

  • injera70

    They seem to serve mammon. I will say not all churches operate like this though it seems like it is the mega churches that are acting up.

  • Shane

    ..SMH..

  • gege

    The church doesn’t buy these ministers the big houses and fine cars….the mega church pastors use the tithe and offering to build these big churches and get famous…then they use that power to write books, do conferences, speaking engagements, hold mega fest, etc….that is the big payday! Jakes doesn’t even take a salary…his money comes from his outside endorsements!!!! Don’t get me wrong, tithes and offerings does alot…it takes money to heat and cool these fine buildings and pay the salaries of the workers but the BIG money come from endorsements and that is in any line of business.

  • Carla

    Yes I understand that Black mega churches are raking in the money on a yearly basis. There is nothing wrong with prosperity, but what’s wrong with the ministers sharing the wealth ?

    Then again, there are a lot of White churches that also exploit the poor Whites that attend their churches.

  • Fifi

    Wow, I don’t who runs this site but I don’t why they would even post this article whatever it is. I don’t get how people complains about giving money to churches if you don’t want to give nobody will force you to do it. I wish my church had an ATM machine because sometime I go there unprepared and I am not able to participate. Listen a church is like a family you have to be part of it to really know what goes on there.One day I met a lady who told me that she would give anything to her church because of what they have done in her life. I have met people who use to be addicted to drugs, gambling and all of other darkness ways you can find on earth and we all know the price that comes with that $…wise.Giving is an act of worship and you don’t do it because of you are expecting anything from your preacher you do it because it is the best thing you can do. Some people choose to give $ so guys all of you with negative comments about churches and money find something else to talk about that you are familiar with. Thanks.

  • ChikaBlue

    is glok a male?

  • Tashimir

    Why am I not surprised? I go to Riverside Church in New York City and that church has recently been under the microscope for paying a reverend 600K.

    While I do enjoy attending, I became turned off with a lot of things; one being that they wanted my bank routing number and checking account number so that they may take out tithes. WTH?!?!?

    Also, I had one client that was a pastor and he wanted me to photograph him in a Jaguar and at a sprawling estate with all of this jewelry on. I told him that it wasn’t a good idea, but he didn’t want to listen to me, so I told him to find another photographer.

    We all know that God is inside of you and not in a building. It’s at the point that people don’t want to give money because they don’t know where it is going.

  • copelli21

    My family left our the church we grew up in because of financial scandal….nobody knows where that 50K went!

    It’s a disgrace. I think churches should lose their tax-exempt status. And unfortunately that’s something that may have a detrimental effect on smaller churches.

    But these mega-churches with their mega-preachers are out of hand. And Creflo in particular has no shame. I am sorry, but you’re using people and justifying it by your own twisted rationale.

    What happened to humility?

    I have the utmost faith in God…..church and the preachers, not so much.

  • InvestigateAllofThem

    If they want investigate these mega churches, don’t just stop with Creflo & Eddie Long. Investigate ALL of these rich mega churches regardless of what color the Bishop or Pastor or whatever they are calling themselves these days. I don’t give to the church, I give to the homeless & hungry. These mega churches are nothing but pimps on the pulpit as M.B. says. They only care about wealth for themselves & they will NEVER get a dime of my money. Wake up people, they will NOT get you in Heaven.

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