Umph…..I guess!

Why doesn’t this cat just hide in a tree for awhile? I mean, he got jumped by Wu-Tang, then his girl broke up w/ him ‘cuz of his mouth. Seriously, just be quiet…you’re already too deep in.

@I Am Legend

TOTALLY CO-SIGN.

who is joe budden?

“All women are prostitutes in some way shape or form”

I guess that includes grandmothers, mothers, sisters, aunts, nieces, cousins, and the like.

But, then again, “men” who make comments like this don’t respect any women.

Oh, and Joe Budden clearly has a mental defect.

“But, then again, “men” who make comments like this don’t respect any women.”

Basically, that’s the jest of it.

I REALLY DON’T LOVE HOES……

@ Sydney™ (. . .the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die)

CHIVALRY IS DEAD, AND “INDEPENDENT WOMEN” KILLED IT….:wink:

@Daywalker

“CHIVALRY IS DEAD, AND “INDEPENDENT WOMEN” KILLED IT….:wink:”

Chivalry is not dead — there are still gentlemen out there.

But you mention a Catch-22 — if a woman expects a man to pay for a date, then she’s a prostitute. If she’s an “independent woman” who covers her tab, then she’s killing chivalry. Da*ned if she does, da*ned if she doesn’t.

Quite an obfuscating matter, if I do say so myself.

Sydney™ (. . .the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die)

@Daywalker

“CHIVALRY IS DEAD, AND “INDEPENDENT WOMEN” KILLED IT….:wink:”

Chivalry is not dead — there are still gentlemen out there.

But you mention a Catch-22 — if a woman expects a man to pay for a date, then she’s a prostitute. If she’s an “independent woman” who covers her tab, then she’s killing chivalry. Da*ned if she does, da*ned if she doesn’t.

Quite an obfuscating matter, if I do say so myself.
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ACTUALLY, MEN WERE MORE THAN HAPPY TO HOLD DOORS, PAY FOR MEALS, BRING FLOWERS TO DATES AND “COURT” WOMEN AT ONE TIME…WOMEN DECIDED THAT THEY NO LONGER WANTED MEN TO DO THESE THINGS, I AM A GENTLEMAN TO LADIES, FIRST AND FOREMOST, BUT TO BE HONEST, I OFTEN “FEEL” WOMEN OUT TO SEE JUST HOW TO BE WITH THEM, BECAUSE THEY ALL WANT A GUY TO BE NICE, BUT NOT “TOO NICE”….

I’m writing responses that aren’t posting. . .

IT HAS BEEN SAID THAT I AM A “GENTLEMAN”, BUT NEVER A GENTLE MAN…..LOL!!

Hey can’t blame him for saying that cuz its hoes all around the world that don’t give a damn about what men think of them. One apple ruins the whole bunch you betta believe it. Me of course I am a lady and well theres someone for everyone so i’ll find my gentleman somewhere in this crowd of bastards.

wow i think this just shows how little respect men have 4 us

Sydney™…

What goes on?

@Daywalker

“ACTUALLY, MEN WERE MORE THAN HAPPY TO HOLD DOORS, PAY FOR MEALS, BRING FLOWERS TO DATES AND “COURT” WOMEN AT ONE TIME…”

Actually, they still are — unless I’ve been living in an alternate universe all these years.

I think it’s also an issue of the kind of women men choose to pursue. There’s a difference between “girls” and “women.” A mature woman respects and appreciates the chivalry of a gentleman.

@ Sydney™ (. . .the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die)

@Daywalker

“ACTUALLY, MEN WERE MORE THAN HAPPY TO HOLD DOORS, PAY FOR MEALS, BRING FLOWERS TO DATES AND “COURT” WOMEN AT ONE TIME…”

Actually, they still are — unless I’ve been living in an alternate universe all these years.

I think it’s also an issue of the kind of women men choose to pursue. There’s a difference between “girls” and “women.” A mature woman respects and appreciates the chivalry of a gentleman.
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I WOULD AGREE, BUT SOME OF THE YOUNGER ONES ACT AS IF YOU KILLED A CAT IF YOU TRY AND OPEN A DOOR FOR THEM!! I MEAN JUST BECAUSE YOU ACT IN A CHIVALROUS MANNER, IT DOESN’T MEAN YOU’RE TRYING TO GET IN A GIRL’S PANTS ALL THE TIME…..

@Daywalker

I love British humor — I think it’s much riskier and biting than American comedy.

I think it does highlight a mode of thinking that some men have — that nice guys finish last.

@Cincy’s Own

Hello, how are you today?

I BLAME SINGLE MOTHERS…….

@Daywalker

“I WOULD AGREE, BUT SOME OF THE YOUNGER ONES ACT AS IF YOU KILLED A CAT IF YOU TRY AND OPEN A DOOR FOR THEM!!”

Hence my earlier point — these are examples of “girls.” I always thank a man who holds a door open for me, gives up his seat on the Metro, helps me with a heavy bag, etc. It’s a courtesy — it’s called manners. A smile and a thank you cost nothing.

@sydney(… the work goes on,the cause endures,the hope still lives,and the dream shall never die …. you are soooo right

Sydney™ (. . .the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die)

@Daywalker

“I WOULD AGREE, BUT SOME OF THE YOUNGER ONES ACT AS IF YOU KILLED A CAT IF YOU TRY AND OPEN A DOOR FOR THEM!!”

Hence my earlier point — these are examples of “girls.” I always thank a man who holds a door open for me, gives up his seat on the Metro, helps me with a heavy bag, etc. It’s a courtesy — it’s called manners. A smile and a thank you cost nothing.
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TRUE, JUST DON’T TELL ME YOU HAVE A BOYFRIEND!!!! LOL!!!!

@Sydney™

I’m good. Nothin’ like talkin’ about hoein’ on a Labor Day. LMAO!! You?

@I Am Legend

“Can you say you have EVER slept with a man who has NEVER spent a dime on you??”

I’ll respond in this fashion — as I said earlier, I have made it a practice to always carry my own cash/card with me, and I offer to cover my portion of the date. Now, I’ve had occasions — most times, I would say — when men have looked at me like I’ve had two heads when I’ve done that, and have reminded me that they have everything covered.

@Daywalker

“TRUE, JUST DON’T TELL ME YOU HAVE A BOYFRIEND!!!! LOL!!!!”

Sometimes, women do — and, then, sometimes, they may not, lol.

@ Sydney™ (. . .the work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives, and the dream shall never die)

@I Am Legend

“Can you say you have EVER slept with a man who has NEVER spent a dime on you??”

I’ll respond in this fashion — as I said earlier, I have made it a practice to always carry my own cash/card with me, and I offer to cover my portion of the date. Now, I’ve had occasions — most times, I would say — when men have looked at me like I’ve had two heads when I’ve done that, and have reminded me that they have everything covered.

@Daywalker

“TRUE, JUST DON’T TELL ME YOU HAVE A BOYFRIEND!!!! LOL!!!!”

Sometimes, women do — and, then, sometimes, they may not, lol.
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AS LONG AS THEY DON’T HAVE STUFF THAT’S EASILY BROKEN WHEN THEY DO, THEY’RE GOOD!!! LOL!!!

@Cincy’s Own

“I’m good. Nothin’ like talkin’ about hoein’ on a Labor Day. LMAO!! You?”

LOL, yeah, interesting topic, huh?

This Budden character sounds like a piece of work.

Okay that explains Kanye and Amber!

@Sydney™

..to say the least.

@Cincy’s Own

So he’s a member of Slaughterhouse? I was actually considering looking into their music more. I don’t think I will anymore. I can’t support foolishness.

@Sydney™

Yeah, he is. He also has his own channel on YouTube where he tapes his excursions and rants. As a group, they’re okay, but I’m a Royce fan beyond Budden (his solo projects are nice, esp. the Mood Musik series). He just seems to always put his foot in his mouth when it comes to expressing his “real” opinions. He’s got this elitist vibe, and I think that’s the root of all these recent problems. But yeah, heard the album, and I wasn’t too impressed. It’s like 60 minutes of battle rap and them believing they’re better than everyone in the industry.

@Cincy’s Own

“He’s got this elitist vibe, and I think that’s the root of all these recent problems.”

How can he be “elitist” and claim the virtues of prostitutes? I wouldn’t put “elitist” and “prostitute” in the same sentence. However, I would attach “filthy” and “unstable” to him. If he’s dating a woman, she should have herself tested for STDs.

@Cincy’s Own

““He’s got this elitist vibe, and I think that’s the root of all these recent problems.”

How can he be “elitist” and claim the virtues of prostitutes? I wouldn’t put “elitist” and “prostitute” in the same sentence. However, I would attach “filthy” and “unstable” to him.

@Sydney™

I guess that’s the duality of all D-List celebrities. LOL! They’re complicated creatures. “Filthy” and “unstable” work too.

@Cincy’s Own

LOL, I wouldn’t call him “complicated” — just crazy. I also pity any woman who has had intercourse with him since it’s clear from his remarks that he has entertained himself with women-for-hire. And he thinks they’re “clean.”

sad, just goes to show these men aren’t really men. They weren’t taught right growing up

@Sydney™

Pretty much. Shame..

white ppl! lol hahahahahah!!

Well actually he’s right about the prostitute thing. It’s just a crass way to put it. But whatever a man does that makes a woman agree to sleep with him is his payment and it doesn’t have to be money. From the boyfriend who buys a nice gift and then she gives him some that night to the husband that gets his reward for cleaning the house it’s all the same.

Just because his mother was a prostitute, doesn’t make all women prostitute. The same goes for all the idiot men that feel the same way about their mothers and all women. My mother and I and my aunts pull in MONEY, and put in half. Far from prostitution. The only time Ive ever been supported by a man, was my father. So eff you idiots, that deal with the wrong women and then you get tricked. Your problem.

“All women are prostitutes in some way shape or form”

If that’s true, then all men are either pimps or johns.

To all the men who says every woman is a prostitute! tell that to the girl who dated a man who was unemployed and having financial issues for years and she held him down! wow. you guys are delusional

A woman should never be broke with that gold mine btwn her leggs

loveisfree

To all the men who says every woman is a prostitute! tell that to the girl who dated a man who was unemployed and having financial issues for years and she held him down! wow. you guys are delusional
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i cosign here…goes to show how f*cked up some people can be..and highly hypocritical too…but then men seem to have the ‘double standards’ syndrome.

or should i say SOME men..not all

http://www.youtube.com/user/thejewelryman?blend=1&ob=4

I’m surprised at just how lost some of these guys on this post are about how to date women (esp. black women). I’ve often said that most men (esp black men) only see the black women’s body as a commodity, therefore, the only reason he would go on a date and spend time and $ on her is to use her body–thereby not giving two flips about her mind, her thoughts, hopes, and dreams. How about you guys get together and and start a new movement, eh? How about we actually start to view and treat women as actual human beings who are layered and complex rather than just a pair of
&%!s and %!! with a pulse. Just an idea. No?

Maybe you guys wouldn’t view all women as prostitutes if you could just imagine that some men see it as a privilege to spend time and money with a young lady they would actually like to know better-her hopes, dreams, aspirations, ideas. Perhaps some men understand that to have a great time in the bedroom for both parties involved, there has to be mental connection. I believe those men who know this to be true are the best lovers. They are more giving, caring, understanding and understand how importnt it is to make a mental connection first. Those guys who don’t get that, will always have second best–in bed and out.

maybe he IS a p*ssy….maybe that’s why his girl left him…

I thought Joe Budden was a prosTITute…

@Ill

“Women are not prostitutes and taking a woman out is not the equivalent of buying pu$$y. If that is your only intention then you just aren’t ready to put the word “grown” in front of “man” and you minus well hire a prostitute.”

Break it down, brother. Break.it.down.

WHISKEY!!!!

his words are a testament to his mentality level.

I don’t see an increase in age making him smart, mature, or wise!

Men are cheap and want things for free, that is why they use that, your a ho if I gotta by you a meal mess.Black women if you want respect, demand it and if you still can’t get it, bounce.

women do not take care of their p*ssy’s that is why i never gave head to women and i will never do that. they more nastier than we dudes.

@ Misty, i hear that! lmao!

@ big baller, sad to say but some women truly do not…i’ve heard stories, and i’m a female!

@big baller

I think it’s just the women you been dealing with. Sounds like the women you deal with need to see a doctor.

@symone
actually my friends have told me the same thing too. from educated women to the regular chics all smell the same. just speaking the truth.

@big baller

If there is a foul odor emanating from a woman’s nether regions that is a sign that something is not right. She needs to seek medical attention!!

@symone
and there are majority of y’all like that. TRUST

@Ill

“The one with the female offspring will teach her to be like herself, independent and negotiable (we negotiate with her, through her, by her, negotiates her at will). The one with the ni**er male offspring, she being frozen subconscious fear for his life, will raise him to be mentally dependent and weak, but physically strong, in other words, body over mind.”

Ill, this is so chilling. This was written hundreds of years ago, yet it pointedly describes our current state.

@Ill

“The target is always the female because once she is broken she will teach her offspring the same as long as you keep the dominant male presence away from them.”

Hence our destruction. Our spirits have been broken.

Hey Sydney! How is your Labor Day so far young grasshopper?

Big Baller must prefer the prestine taste of fresh balls in his mouth, be honest you just don’t like pu**y.
SMH.

@mistyknight
ask your mom she will tell you.

@misty knight
i actually meant your mum knows im not a fag, that b*tch s*cked my balls last night. tell her the milk is coming tonight and it is goin inside her azzhole. she loves it that way.

@big baller
LMAO

@misty knight
yawnnnn….. is that it? im off to a BBQ party, tell you mom to expect me tonight. goodbye

Baller
Eat a foot long for me Gurl!

@MISTY KNIGHT
you must be one of the hos he is talking about, cause you replying real hard. go see a doctor, cause im sure your p*ssy stinks as hell. LMAO

hmmmmmmmm
The Jury says:

Womp, Womp, Womp

@Ill

He’s from Jersey? lol There are “special” individuals in every state.

Honestly, he, Budden, sounds pretty bitter — like he’s been jilted or something and has turned his anger towards all women. It’s not a good look.

LOL, your daughter has the right attitude. “Juno,” huh? That’s another film on my list. That young actress was in another indie flick, “Hard Candy,” I saw a while ago, but I believe it’s inappropriate for younger viewers. The subject matter was pretty controversial.

BTW, have you ever read about speculation that the Willie Lynch papers may be inaccurate? William Jelani Cobb of Spelman wrote about that possibility a while ago. I’m not sure what to believe.

@ ill…..thanks for sharing the writings fam….I wonder how do we redesign what was purposely designed for us to become in this current state?

@Sydney

You could at least be civil and speak to me. I hope I didn’t alter your already skewed opinion of many of my twisted views.

@Ill

That’s absolutely amazing! Have you visited the plantation where your ancestors were located? Nat Turner was also mentioned in one of your family’s documents?

I have to do more research on Willie Lynch. This is the link to the article I mentioned earlier: web.archive.org/web/20070814182601/http://www.jelanicobb.com/portfolio/willie_lynch_is_dead.html

lol@ misty.. womp, womp, womp… and eat one gurl…

@ CREAM

Your words should be a dissertation…u need to write a thesis on this topic…mad respect!

not to say a man shouldn’t treat his lady right, but to ‘buy’ p*ssy means it IS commodified (yea i made that word up) and there’s no emotion or love attached.

EVERY MAN GET THE HOOK UP EVERY NOW AND THEN AND LIKE EDDIE MURPHY SAID…….YES YOUR MAN TOO !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

@sydney
that’s kinda hard to answer. I am not a dogmatic person, so I don’t live hard and fast by any set of rules or “code.” I pretty much just look at every potential “chase” as an individual, and I try to rely on past experiences to not make some of the same mistakes as before.

I think that since women are supposed to be the “fairer” sex, too many of them get too much benefit of the doubt. Not all women are ladies, nor should they be treated as such. One rule that I will allow myself to stick to is–I will NEVER show a woman more respect than she shows herself. Not to say that I’ll walk all over somebody, I’d just leave. But you surely won’t catch me brown-nosing some raggedy-ass ho.

Whatever my take on courtship is, it seems to be working. My girl is beautiful, successful (in law school), and we work because we respect each other and try to see where each other is coming from before jumping to conclusions.

I often catch a lot of heat for this, but I’m pretty convinced that she’s much easier to deal with because she didn’t have the traditional “African-American” upbringing (her parents are Ethiopian and Liberian). Makes a world of difference…she knows how to hold her own while respecting her man at all times. She gets my love, protection, and respect in return.

@Ill

“Hard Candy” was a little hard for me to digest as an adult. There aren’t any actual depictions of crimes against children, but the suggestion of them is unsettling. I don’t know if I would allow a child to view it, but that’s just me.

It saddens me that children are exposed to so much so early. You’re only a kid once, and that innocence should be preserved for as long as possible. I think the window of innocence has narrowed substantially.

@C.R.E.A.M.

“I often catch a lot of heat for this, but I’m pretty convinced that she’s much easier to deal with because she didn’t have the traditional “African-American” upbringing (her parents are Ethiopian and Liberian). Makes a world of difference…she knows how to hold her own while respecting her man at all times.”

Two questions:

1) What is the “traditional” African-American upbringing?

2) So, you think that women who receive the traditional “African American” upbringing are missing some tools in how to interact with men? Is the same true for men who receive this “traditional” upbringing?

The Stono Rebellion?…Is there any connection to Gullah Island off of SC? I’m going to google the rebellion…I don’t think I am at all familiar with it.

I also need to read up more on Gullah Island. I know West Africans lived there as free people, were very productive farmers and were able to keep their language, arts and traditions largely intact thanks to the isolation of the island. A lot of the original African culture is still prevalent today.

@Ill

It occurred near Charleston. I just found a link on the PBS site with more info, pbs.org/wgbh/aia/part1/1p284.html

Speaking of Gullah Island, have you ever seen “Daughters of the Dust?”

“One rule that I will allow myself to stick to is–I will NEVER show a woman more respect than she shows herself. Not to say that I’ll walk all over somebody, I’d just leave. But you surely won’t catch me brown-nosing some raggedy-ass ho.”

Oh, and this was interesting. Misogynistic and crass, but interesting, nonetheless.

@C.R.E.A.M.

“The world is large, and I have chosen not to deal w/ them anymore.”

So you’ve decided to exclude all American-American women, including the “good ones,” from your dating choices?

@C.R.E.A.M.

“The world is large, and I have chosen not to deal w/ them anymore.”

So you’ve decided to exclude all black American women, including the “good ones,” from your dating choices?

@C.R.E.A.M.

“The world is large, and I have chosen not to deal w/ them anymore.”

So you’ve decided to omit all American-American women, including the “good ones,” from your dating pool?

@C.R.E.A.M.

“The world is large, and I have chosen not to deal w/ them anymore.”

So you’ve decided not to deal with American sisters — all of them — anymore?

@C.R.E.A.M.

Hmm, interesting. Higher returns on your investment (ROI)?

You sound a bit disgruntled. Have you met Illuminate Truth, a good, well-adjusted, non-misogynistic black man?

Ill, care to educate this young lad?

Perhaps you’ve dealt with too many “hood chicks?”

How is it misogynistic to have an aversion to a certain type of woman? I think that it’s a little lazy for you to just throw that term out there. I don’t wish them ill in life, I’d just rather not be shacking up with them or anything. If that’s misogyny, so be it. I’m not tryin to win some “I worship women” award.

That being said, i welcome whatever knowledge Ill could drop on a young buck.

Oh, it’s a little “lazy” of you to put all women — the ones who happen to share your race — in a box.

Try reading Ill’s posts — They’re very mature and enlightening.

C.R.E.A.M. sounds like a self aware brutha who knows what he wants and where he’s going in life. Ain’t nothing misogynistic about that…Sounds like he got his self a good woman. At the end of the day, that’s all that counts.

Wow.

Lol@ Sydney

“many, many, many” leaves a very small margin of women who don’t fit in to the sterotypical “Mad Black Women” role.

.

Ha! there it goes!

@Pimp Daddy Wilbur

“Sounds like he got his self a good woman.”

Yes, he does. Wowzers.

@C.R.E.A.M.

“And if I ever change my mind…not like they’re going anywhere.”

Are you kidding me?? Brother, you made the right choice. Believe me. That display was a bit, uh, unsettling.

@Misty

““many, many, many” leaves a very small margin of women who don’t fit in to the sterotypical “Mad Black Women” role.”

Yeah, it does.

Well, I have a saying — stay away from broken people. I believe there’s someone out there for everyone, even the damaged ones.

Sydney™

Baby you sound a little damaged too.

Syd, do I have to pay for this psychoanalysis? or was this one of those free consultation type things?

Thanks, Pimp.

@C.R.E.A.M.

No charge at all.

@Sydney
I agree, and
“And if I ever change my mind…not like they’re going anywhere”

Lord help me, if that statement alone is not represenative of how under-valued black women are in our “community”, I dont know What is.

What the hell are we “Old Yeller”? That’s beyond insulting, it just reiterates the theory that black women are unwanted, undesirable, and have no other options but black men.

Heaven knows the flack BM’s would get if we all decided to “divest” from our own. SMH.

I have absolutely NO ISSUES with personal tastes, but why do you have to throw us under the bus while placing others on a pedastal?

*Heaven knows the flack Black Women would get if we all decided to divest from our own*

@Misty

“What the hell are we “Old Yeller”?”

To some men, we are. You have to laugh at the lunacy of it all.

It is time to divest — divest from the abuse. Divest from the misogyny. Divest from degradation.

Misty, I assure you that I mean no broad theoretical truisms when I said that. I was speaking frankly about my situation. I live in DC. It’s a virtual buffet of black women. And even if I’m an immature fool for my preferences now, if I come to my senses years from now, I always have the prerogative to make a change. It’s not like I gotta worry about being “too old” or whatever. And black women who give love and respect receive the same from me; I would rather not date them. I don’t know why this is a big deal.

*and by black i meant African-American

“I live in DC. It’s a virtual buffet of black women.”

Well, that explains it.

@C.R.E.A.M.

You just denigrated a whole group of women. That’s the problem.

But it’s someone else’s problem — and that’s a very good thing.

@Syd, you can’t knock my hustle. I’m not some baller or entertainer, but I was blessed with a hell of a brain. And I’ve used it to propel myself to a pretty desirable position in life. You can’t begrudge me noticing all the options I’ve earned, especially when I’ve chosen not to just chase, chase, chase, but find a good one and build.

but the fact remains that I’m in high demand and short supply. don’t hate the player…u know the rest.

@C.R.E.A.M.

“but the fact remains that I’m in high demand and short supply. don’t hate the player…u know the rest.”

Wow, this is textbook psychosis.

Don’t stop. Continue.

“Ill, care to educate this young lad?”

@ Syd

I read some of his posts…I have more questions than answers.

@ C.R.E.A.M.

I cannot disagree with the fact that there are MANY issues with the black family…one of the biggest issues being men entirely too absent from the family unit.

Where I think we differ in opinion is I refuse to classify ALL Black women into ANY category. I can’t see myself purposely alienating the one type of woman that can relate to exactly who I am and vice-versa – an African American woman. I just don’t know if a foreigner would or could share the same perceptions as me.

But to each his own….I ain’t knocking the choice of who you want to be with romantically. That is personal, unique to you and surely your prerogative. I would just ask that you not put down all Black American woman (and men) in the process. There is nothing to be gained by doing so.

*high incarceration rate*

@Ill

You just crystallized the idea I was trying to formulate in my mind. I’ve heard other brothers who consider themselves “successful” use this exact argument — they feel they are the “exceptions” to the rule. Their kind is in demand.

You’re right — they don’t think much of their own. Even worse, they try to exploit this negativity to their advantage, which I find sickening.

I should have put “their kind is in demand” in quotations.

Lester Freamon

True dat!

Sydney

Get off your moral high horse. How can you begrudge C.R.E.A.M. for his outlook, when you stated you look past damaged brotha’s? You ain’t got the monopoly on discernment.

And for chrissakes before I get lectured on generalizing again, my example on playin ps3 and smokin weed was an illustration, not a rule that applies to everybody

@ Syd

It just seems to me many of us (brothas and sistas) tend to think advancement means to disassociate themselves from anything “black” (meaning Afrian American). They take the same stereo-types connected to us by outside means, voice them as law and use them as an excuse to walk away from their own. Really, they are walking away from themselves…losing themselves in the process.

@Illuminate the Truth

I was in class Saturday. I’m getting my masters in anthropology. My professor was reading from a text about Native American and African Diaspora, and your comments at the start of 4:46 and the start of 2:41 sound exactly like what he was reading from a book.I’m sure what you said was also noted in another book.what is the name of the book you have? These are the books he recommended to us outside of class 1) They Came Before Columbus,2)Global Dimensions of the African Diaspora 3) Black British Culture and Society
Is it one of these?if not what is the name of it?

@C.R.E.A.M.

“Food for thought, but I don’t know if I’m “exploiting” as much as I’m just calling it as I see it.”

Your previous statement about black women “being there” was exploitative. It’s evident that you consider yourself a “catch,” and that’s based on the negative comparisons you’ve made between yourself and other black men — the ones who aren’t “about sh*t.”

“I meant people who don’t take advantage of their relative youth to build something legitimate and sustainable for their futures.”

Thank you for the clarification. The point I made still stands — if you’re a man of poor character, you’re in the same category as the men you just described.

@Ill–what you said may be correct. But in my life experience, I’ve very rarely experienced the concept of “us.” My reality has been every man/woman/child for themselves. So I don’t see it as walking away from myself, rather walking into myself since that’s who I can trust #1 above anybody else (other than God). I know who “my people” are supposed to be, but let’s keep it 100, “my people” aren’t always gonna be checkin for me just cuz we both black. I’m not tryin to live some white man’s fantasy, I’m just tryin to make the most of my abilities and not let myself down

@Ill

“They take the same stereo-types connected to us by outside means, voice them as law and use them as an excuse to walk away from their own. Really, they are walking away from themselves…losing themselves in the process.”

Exactly — they’re walking away from themselves. And a number of them want to cast blame on the closest target — the ones who look like them.

I wish they would take responsibility for their own psychosis — it’s theirs and theirs alone.

@syd
you’ve dropped some gems, but I think sometimes you just don’t like the truth. It wasn’t exploitative for me to say that “they aren’t going anywhere.” It is a matter of fact.

Women are never in scarce supply for a man of means. Black, blue, or purple. If I’m wrong for noticing this, Lord forgive me.

@C.R.E.A.M.

“you’ve dropped some gems, but I think sometimes you just don’t like the truth.”

Whose truth? Yours? We’ve already determined how skewed your “truth” is.

“Women are never in scarce supply for a man of means.”

You talk about women as if they’re a commodity at your disposal. And you don’t even recognize it. Or maybe you just don’t care.

So many issues. . .

@Ill

Please don’t let your daughter read any more of these posts.

I shall check back later when get to my apartment. I’m in the library and packing up to leave. The computers I’m on is acting up.

I shall check back later when get to my apartment. I’m in the library and packing up to leave. The computer I’m on is acting up.

@C.R.E.A.M.

You’re correct — I don’t commodify myself, never have. I guess that’s just one way I don’t fit into your generalized view of black American women.

“When I step out the door into the world, I CHOOSE to treat others with respect and decency.”

By “choose,” you mean you have to deliberately think about treating others with respect and decency? The thoughts you express on here are the true you?

That goes both ways — you also told me that your opinion shouldn’t matter unless I wanted to “f**k” you. Perhaps in your world and the surrounding in which you were raised, that would be considered acceptable language. It’s not in mine. I reviewed my comments, and I did not call you a “psycho,” but I apologize if that’s how you interpreted my comments. I do think you wrote some pretty disturbing statements that are worthy of further probing by a qualified professional. And, I agree, these are just opinions.

Have a good evening.

*the surroundings*

@Ill

“Oppositely, if I base my self-worth on honor, sincerity, family, spirituality, respect, etc. well then…..at this point I’m preaching to the choir Syd, you know where I’m going with this.”

Yes, I do. You attract what you put out.

I will say this and keep it moving.I’m kinda disappointed.

My classmate told me about this blog and how smart some of the people are, but I see some plagiarism going on and people are passing off authors words as their own. I thought blogs were supposed to mainly be what you think about the topic at hand. If appearing smart is that important, why not just study the good old fashioned way.

@Cream

Your 4:23 comment made some sense, and you are obviously a bright young man, but you need to expand your mind. Have you ever thought that maybe what you see in black women is what you want to see, or what others dictate to you? Your views are myopic.I know problems exist among black people, but many black people give up on believing that social change is possible, and that’s the main problem with us.

Oops! *GENIUS*. Damn Capt. Morgan!

@Marquis de Sade

I’m a woman, not dude.Ceiling of mediocrity isn’t average. Hate to break it to you.if it’s directly from a book then yes.

Isn’t NSU a ghetto school located down south? Not much to be proud of…but do you girl.

@Marquis de Sade

If it’s directly from a book meaning you didn’t write it. Then your ceiling is average.

LOL@ Captain Morgan

A drink would be nice right about now.

@ Z-Northwestern State University (NSU) is by far not a ghetto school. I never attended, I chose to attend a HBCU. However, you need to do some research on your schools. And, if she is in school that is a great accomplishment and really something to be proud of.

MsNSU

So are you accusin’ Ill or Sydney of plagiarism? Oooooh, they gon’ be mad.

@Z

I went to NSU.It’s a HBCU, and am very proud of it.I was crowned queen of NSU hence the name MsNSU.I received my bachelors from there, and I attend graduate school now at Stanford. I will further my studies later on.

I have a lot to be thankful for, but I don’t boast about me.

Oh, I thought NSU was Norfolk State the school the lady JB always talks about on here. She seems nice…but it is sad she wants to teach when she admits to struggling with basic math.

@Marquis de Sade

I’m not getting into that. If you really want to know scroll up. I believe you could figure out the rest for yourself.

Why did you choose the name Marquis de Sade?

MsNSU

I was on here trollin’ one day while “QUILLS” was playin’ in the background on HBO. The rest is history.

Who plagiarized?

@Marquis de Sade

Gotcha .
BTW, I like ‘ceiling of mediocrity’
Consider it stolen.

_____________________DEAD______________________

@Sydney

I wasn’t talking about you. Like Marquis de Sade said everyone is a genius so it don’t really matter on this blog.

@ MsNSU

I scrolled up to try to find your point of reference. I quoted directly from the W. Lynch papers at around 2 and at 4:46 I posted my findings on some personal papers I have….history taken directly from some saved documents….nothing from a book.

If plagiarism is what you are accusing me of, you are dead wrong. I have quoted many authors, government officials, celebrities….even philosophers and EVERY time I have attributed the quote to the author. Take anything I have said out of quotation marks on this site, google it word for word and find me the duplicate writings….it’s easy to find the “copy and paste” culprits on this site….I’m not one of them.

LOL @ you trying to call me out.

LMAO @ Ill

There is nothing wrong with tricking as long as you do it the good way.

@Illuminate

That’s why I said earlier that your words were read directly from the book my professor read, and I wasn’t talking about your Lynch comment.I know all about the writings and letter. All books are not pasted on the Internet so it would be easy for someone or you to copy directly from a book, and not Google.

There are culprits out there, but they don’t just copy from Google, or Yahoo.

I need some strange before my shift.

@Sydney

The first paragraph in his comment at 2:41 and the first one at 4:46 are straight out of books. It’s from passges read aloud by my professor. They were stressed as well as test and exam material.

@MsNSU

And sources were cited in those posts. Now, from my journalism experience, I know that plagiarism is a serious charge. If you’re going to accuse someone of such, you should at least post the sources from which you believe lines were quoted. You have yet to do so.

It seems that some folks on here believe that if someone writes in a particular manner, their words must not be their own.

@Ill

“Damn, why is it the most asinine people I have met have college degrees?”

LOL

@Illuminate

I think I get it. You don’t want to be looked upon as a culprit on this blog. You probably copied and paste your own words aka published book material into Goolge to cover yourself first to make sure no one would think you were a culprit. That is probably why you brought up ‘google it word for word and find me the duplicate writings.’

Next time you copy word for word from a book remember that you are not the only one that owns the book.

MsNSU, Sydney & Ill

Those books sound fascinatin’ n’ all, but me, personally, I prefer the literary offerings of Mar-vel comics – Preferably “SUPER VILLAIN TEAM-UP” isuues 1 – 24. The way Dr. Doom single-handedly defeated The Avengers was awe-inspiring, and to this day, is not only etched in my memory, but also upon my very soul. Needless to say, it’s a must read. Why Oprah has never added these literary treasures to her book club, smacks of “CULTURAL” and “PSEUDO-INTELLECTUAL” elitism.

Joe Budden need to give it up. He probably blew that little rap change he made knocking back yac and chopping down escorts.

@ MsNSU

“That is probably why you brought up ‘google it word for word and find me the duplicate writings.’”

Actually I brought it up because a poster was recently outed for “copy and paste” and that method of proof was used to do so….I figured if one person was proved guilty by a particular method, this same method can be used to show the exact opposite….sort of like DNA evidence.

Just to invite you into my thought process….and for shits and giggles.

@Illuminate

Now you paraphrased from the text? I think not.

Those are not your words. I wish I could call my professor at this time of night to prove you wrong. I know what I heard, and your words are an actual author’s words.

I’m calling one of my classmates to get the name of book since you claim I’m asinine.

I’m not saying you aren’t smart in any way, but I know what I heard.

@Sydney

I’m not talking about the sources sites.

Everybody must of got scared and bounced when they saw the S on my chest. What crackin folks?

@MsNSU

No offense, but if you cannot cite a (book) source, then you don’t have a claim.

It seems like you were put off by something and decided to manufacture an offense.

*it seems that*

@Marquis

Did you hear about Mar-vel being bought by Disney?

@Illuminate

No, before YOU claim that no one reads the books on your coffee table, you should think twice about what you copy from it.

I don’t want to invited into your thought process.I can just read a book since that’s what your thoughts consists of book material.

The best comic hero of all time is Superman!!!

@Marquis

We’ll have to see what happens.

@MsNSU

Interesting. Now you can post the exact passage that you believe was plagiarized.

BTW, did you ever visit ODU while you were at Norfolk State?

@Sydney

What would you know about ODU?

@SBM

A lot since I went to HU.

And in case you don’t know how the world wide web works – if you google my words and they are in the book, which is available online in its entirety, you will get a list of links with that book. The concept is quite simple really.

Now, once you are done, please accept my invitation to discuss topics concerning Black / African history at any time. I would enjoy hearing your perspectives on a variety of subjects based on your studies. This is not me being sarcastic…I live for conversation that provokes thought. We just have to remove this barrier of distrust first. All I have in this life that truly belongs to me is my word…I don’t compromise it for any body.

Ill

Hey, you just plagiarized Tony Montana with that “ALL I HAVE IN THIS WORLD, IS MY WORD & BALLS”. LOL!

@Sydney

Never knew we were so close at some time. When were you at Hampton?

HU could be Howard, Hampton or Hastings, couldn’t it?

@SBM

That’s enough info — I’m not sure who you are.

Sydney I graduated from ODU in 01. Live in Rogers and Gresham halls and off campus on 48th St. for one year. I am Strong Black Man!

@Marquis

Howard and Hampton are both referred to as “HU” — there is a joke among Hampton students that their school is the “Real HU.” Howard students like to counter lightheartedly that Hampton U was formerly Hampton Institute.

I haven’t heard of Hastings. Where is it?

@ Marquis

Damn…busted.

LOL..actually if I was to plagiarize Tony I would have taken the “…take a good look at the bad guy” line. There was a lot of truth to that scene.

“Hampton U was formerly Hampton Institute.”

LOl…I still call it Hampton Institute.

@Ill

I wasn’t aware of the history of “Old E.” Thanks for sharing — it’s fascinating. Are there many history buffs in your family?

@Sydney

Did you know the average SAT score for a NSU student is under 820? Pretty sad.

Ill

My favorite was durin’ the same scene, when he announced “I ALWAYS TELL THE TRUTH, EVEN WHEN I LIE”. Tony was quite the BASTARD.

@Ill

“LOl…I still call it Hampton Institute.”

Yeah, a number of people still do, I think. We learned all about the history of the school in our University 101 class, lol.

@Sydney

Did you ever come over to any events at ODU’s Webb Center?

@VKirch

I read over the passage, and I still saw no evidence of plagiarism.

Is it just me?

I think this is crossing into the realm of very weird.

@ Syd

There are many educators in my family including my Uncle (my father’s brother) who has his doctorate in African history, is a part time professor at a major university and is the retired director of history at a prominent preparatory HS in NJ. Oh, he is also fluent in Chinese…making eating out at Chinese restaurants a fun experience.

Actually, minus my Uncle, most family members that share my passion for history are like me, self taught. Sometimes you can learn more being passionate about something as opposed to just trying to earn a degree…..I guess doing both would be ideal.

Peace my people, I have to make some funds in 8 hours.

@Ill

Your uncle knows Chinese? Does he know Mandarin or Cantonese, or both?

Oh, I certainly believe that a self taught person is just as knowledgeable — if not more — than a person with a degree. I’ve certainly met ignorant characters who have the routine “alphabet soup” behind their names.

@VKirch

“You probably just can’t never believe that he plagiarized.”

No, it’s your behavior that has me incredulous, actually.

I know what I heard, and the rest of you can continue to think his words are not an authors, but they are.

@Ill

“It crossed over to weird the second I realized her allegations….*shrug*”

Yeah, it did.

“Later Syd…rest assured if I quote a book, I will let you know.”

You always do. Have a good evening.

I know what I heard, and the rest of you can continue to think his words are not an authors, but they are.

@Sydney

You may not agree with my behaviour, but I will call anyone out on claiming someone else’s words as their own.

@Illuminate

The system being used that brainwashed our mindset, was constructed by Willie Lynch, who was actually working for the government.The system wanted us to be well-adjusted to injustice, instead of being maladjusted to the government, and the constitution. What I posted was the next paragraph, and you know it.

I have obtained my credentials.

Now you want to leave after I posted a text from the same book that you posted your copied words? What’s the rush now?

I am so happy!

@Illuminate

You should read it about, and when you post in the future, try not to include the author’s words.

Your little girl is probably bright.But I will not talk about her in my posts. I draw the line with people’s children.
I’m not acting like you’re not capable of using your own words. I just know what I heard when my professor read the passage aloud. Yes, aloud Marquis. That would involve hearing not reading. Now Marquis, if you could read,you would have known that my professor read from a book in class on Saturday.

@ VKirch (MsNSU)

Nah, I have nothing better to do. I’m working on a power point presentation and this just gives me a balance of activities to engage in. I have nothing to prove, you are the one that carries that burden.

In that regard, I repeat this:

THE BOOK YOU MENTIONED IS AVAILABLE FREE ON-LINE. THIS MEANS THAT IF YOU INPUT MY WORDS INTO THE SEARCH ENGINE OF YOUR CHOICE, THE BOOK AND THE ALLEGED QUOTE BY THE ORIGINAL AUTHOR SHOULD SURFACE!!! WHY HAVEN’T YOU USED THIS PROVEN METHOD OF EXPOSING PLAGIARISM. YOUR EXCUSE BEFORE WAS THAT NOT EVERY PIECE OF LITERATURE IS AVAILABLE ONLINE….TRUE, BUT THE BOOK YOU LISTED IS, SO THE TOOLS ARE THERE THAT WOULD SUPPORT YOUR CLAIMS. WHY DON’T YOU USE THEM?

@ VKirch

….and stop using your degrees as validation of your intellect…..they only prove that you were enrolled in a school and completed the prescribed curriculum. This doesn’t differentiate education from indoctrination so you could be as mentally dysfunctional as the next person.

@ Illuminate

Make sure you have a works cited page in your presentation. When formally presenting a topic, it is always a good idea to credit the author. Just a little food for thought.

The second book I mentioned is not available online. I did post the exact next paragraph that followed your copied one, which is the first paragraph at 2:41 post. That is the one where your post directly came from a book.

Wow! You are really mad now.Could it be that Illuminate Truth has really been quoting An Author’s Truth throughout his posts? I bet some of your other posts have been copied straight from a book too, which you can’t always verify from Google.

I like that name for you. An Author’s Truth.

@ Illuminate

Stop stealing someone else’s ideas and passages as your own intellectual property. It only proves that it’s socially praticed by yourself, and you are incapable of thinking with your own mind. Ya know, the lump a few feet above your ass.

LOL @ VKirch

Uhm, if you posted the paragraph that supposedly followed the paragraph I copied….why not reference the exact paragraph…why the NEXT one?

Whatever….yeah, that’s what I do – quote authors I’ve never heard of, from books I’ve never read, being sure to cross-reference all my plagiarisms on search engines to insure my covertness. LOL…yeah, you got me pegged. (Damn, you CAN’T be serious)

Newsflash: You cannot prove plagiarism based on the simple fact the words were my own. This could go on forever, but if my words were not my own, you would have already exposed them as such. Its easy to do but for obvious reasons to me, you are having a hard time completing a simple task.

My power point is done…and so is my need for a diversion. Thanks and good luck.

…and BTW, nah, I’m not mad. The caps were there to make sure you knew how to properly investigate your claims….just trying to help a sista out.

I actually think the “Author’s Truth” is the wittiest thing you have come up with thus far…inaccurate, but witty none the less. Too bad you have presented yourself as a bit of an adversary….you have shown signs of potential.

@Illuminate

The start of your 4:46 post was copied. I said that earlier.

If you didn’t plagiarize, why are you typing in all caps ang getting so mad? When people go on and on denying something that they say is false, it starts to make you wonder if they are just really trying to protect their image. Just walk away. I’m sure everyone on the blog will still believe that you smart. I know I do. You are a smart person that plagiarizes.

On a more serious note, I think this Vkrich character is truly lost, hateful and a person who jumped to wrong conclusions and cannot accept that he or she made a mistake. If you want to throw out an accusation, you need to have a factual basis for it and from all the banter you have presented absolutely nothing that will lead any logical person to believe that there is any plagiarism. While I do not know whether or not Ill plagiarized, what I do know is your accusations have not be substantiated with anything.

I truly question whether or not you got any such degree but if you did , wow, it just goes to show you that there is such a thing as an educated fool.

Eva

I did not believe the Vkirch poster either until I checked back and Ill was still explaining that the accusation was wrong. Why the hell go through all the trouble if it’s bull shit.Don’t make too much sense to someone like me.I don’t know if Ill plagiarized either. Guess its one person word against the other. They both shoulda stopped a long damn time ago.

I would just like to know where Joe and Terence Howard hang out? If prostitutes have cleaner punnanies and Terence wants women that use baby wipes, what type of “regular” women do they know?

…and how clean is their tool? I like brothers that use lysol on their ish…wtf?

Of course their p*&#$ is cleaner between jumping in and out of cars all night and get paid extra for not using condoms. 100% Grade A chicks. WTF is wrong with this guy ?

Welllllllllll, I’ve never been a “coochie inspector”, so I can’t speak to the “cleaner coochie” issue —- but if there is such a job opening at the local county health department, I’d damn sure like to apply for it. With ONE caveat. I want to work in the “post-puberty-no-baby-mama” division …. but with my luck, they’d probably assign me to the “post-menopausal-barely-moist-granny-coochie” department.

“First of all, prostitutes, a lot of the times, have a much cleaner pu*sy than regular girls.”

Hey fool endorsing prostitiutes…does that even make sense dummy? Maybe not to your drugged out, fuggly azz it does…stupid moron!