GOLD!

honestly, does anyone really give a shit?

here you people go about him worshiping the devil. You guys are stupid, “I’m far from God but i work God dam hard” -Jay-z

3…..2…..1

Here they come.

who cares? if he wants to have a symbol so what

I love it! Hova goes damn hard!!

he’s lying big time about that roc shit

His talent is undeniable, and he’s a funny dude, evidently. I like him and hope he continues to do well. I ain’t mad.

I love Europeans.

I love how he speaks perfect English here.

he explained it to the little peeeples didnt he. Triangle mess is nothing but that devil worshipping cult symbol don’t need no damn hand signal for a company what has the world come to when these nuts think they can say anything. Good thing CBS and Starbucks are not his company or he’d have to really come up with a heck of an explaination then wouldnt he? Sad, sad, sad his wife dont even work for him so what’s she walking around peeking out her hands for? oh, lets see all the single ladies who are independant can afford diamonds so that is how she is letting the world know she can afford her own diamonds right. GTFOH

HE REMINDS ME OF RAINMAN.

THE GREATEST THAT EVER DONE THATS ALIVE…HATERS START HERE______________________

I just LOVE how people get upset because others aren’t blinded by these so called celebrities fame and money. Not to mention these people wouldn’t give two cents about you or me if they passed us on the street. He knows who his spiritual father is, and it sure isn’t the Lord. And that’s ok too because folks are entitled to believe in what and WHO they want. Calling people nuts or conspiracy theorist just because they know what’s good doesn’t change the truth. Just saying…

Oh and I do believe in the Lord, so I he finds him because time is running out. At the same time, I’m not the Lord so it isn’t my right to judge. I pray he finds the truth but from the looks of it, he is WAY to deep in it. So sad people sell out not knowing the horrors that lie ahead.

It doesn’t look very much like a diamond when I see it… Looks like a triangle.

Jay should do another Unplugged. that sounds hotttt!!

The Band was dope-especially the guitar player.You can drink wine to that version of Roc Boys.

Who cares. He’s too old too be doing hand signs anyway. Knock it off.

@ Another day

“The other day Rihanna was looking like a fresh faced happy go lucky young woman now she looks like a vampire
who can barely stand to come out in the day”

funny!

the roc sign has nothing to do with Satan. Ya’ll are retarted or just stupid as hell.

Hova seems very cool. Im starting to feel him a lot!

@ Beyonce’s Thong

“Only thing I’m concerned about are the kids. We need to be in our communities giving them real heroes and stop putting these clowns on pedestals cause of their talent and money.”

agreed.

True enough we all sin. It’s a BIG difference between sinning and Taking an oath for fame and fortune. It’s a difference between saying devil come into my life and use me. for a coulple of dollars. Correct me if I am wrong. Thats why the bopohmet devil that Beyonce was wearing that had rearview mirriors it’s symbolize a vehicle meaning she’s not in controll she is being used it’s a big damn difference.

Jay Z is a very smart dude, for anyone that has any sort of esoteric knowledge, you KNOW the dark path leads to death and destruction, so you would not willingly follow it if you were wise
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I feel where you coming from, but he did sell drugs. He, at some point, already accepted the path of death and destruction. Most cats from the environment he’s from are hopeless and God-less. The industry just has much larger rewards and a lot less risk, but the end result is pretty much the same, if he indeed does what they say he does. Most hustlers ain’t concerned with their soul. Money becomes their god. And if God isn’t your foundation, your susceptible to anything in pursuit of earthly treasures.

I’m not totally sold on him devil worshipping or whatever, but I do believe that’s who runs the industry and Jay is just playing ball, like any true hustler would. But that’s a dangerous game to play.

People should worry about whether THEY are going to hell, worrying about this man and his salvation…
I know so-called “christians” in the church that are the biggest devils I have ever ran across, but I still go, cause THEY are not the means, nor the end to my relationship with GOD. Nor is Jay’Z a subliminal piped piper who is leading us all down the path to hell and unrighteousness. please decist with that shit.
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@Alrighty Then…

THANK YOU!!!

I’m sick and tired of that NONESENSE TOO!!!

- Have they ever seen him with their OWN 2 eyes worshipping the devil = NO

- Do they know him personally and know for a FACT that he worships the devil = NO

And when you ask them what their proof is they tell you = YouTube… SMH

Conspiracy Theorist WHERE is your proof that Jay-Z is devil worshipper???

@slide – It’s the “hand-sign”! LMAO! Honey, we have gangs throwing up “hand-signs” right before they go out and murder someone for a color they are wearing, or because they are on the wrong block (gangster disciples anyone? Crips, Bloods?) or just cause they feel like it! I’d think that is more the work of the devil than this rapper- hello, he’s a RAPPER, not the damn president! WHO is he influencing? It always amazes me that folks expect other people (especially celebrities) to be responsible for raising THEIR kids! Take your kids to church, read the bible with them, let them know that the devil is a liar!
This man just told you what his thing means, and people still want to take it there…

Well, I will be “throwing up the Roc” on 11/22/09, when he comes here. Lord forgive me. lol….

People should worry about whether THEY are going to hell, worrying about this man and his salvation…
I know so-called “christians” in the church that are the biggest devils I have ever ran across, but I still go, cause THEY are not the means, nor the end to my relationship with GOD.

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I agree. Pray for him if that’s what you believe, but at the end of the day, that’s his salvation and his soul.

As far as the church, I have to tell people this all the time. Trust me, its people in the church that can lead you to hell faster than Jay ever could, LOL.

The triangle is used more often then you think. Delta Sorority uses it, some non denominational church’s use it, satin worshippers use it. Everybody uses it so there is nothing original about this symbol or what it stands for. Get over it.

The triangle is used more often then you think. Delta Sorority uses it, some non denominational church’s use it for their interpretation of the holy trinity, and even satin worshippers use it. Everybody uses it so there is nothing original about this symbol or what it stands for. Get over it.

THAT’S IT!! Time for an acoustic album, set hip hop on its ear. Then I can play it in my office and fake certain people out LOL.

@cookiehelp – “holy trinity” same thing I was thinking when I read your first post. Depends on what you CHOOSE to see.

@slide

to be honest i hear what you are saying buta lot of those youtube vids use the actualy vids from the artist. it’s not just like they are making up the musicvids themselves. You don’t know Jay z and neither do I so don’t just believe everything that comes out of his mouth. just don’t be surprised if some crazy stuff does come out

@slide

“Oh forgive me Sweet Minty Baby Jesus…” LMAO!

U goin 2 hell for that! Just kidding…don’t wanna start up another theory thread!

You don’t know Jay z
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@Dmariefashion

First off, take that damn silly a$$ shoe-string that’s wrapped around your head off…
Who told you that was cute??? WTF??? SMH

And you got the nerve to call yourself a “fashionista” = LOL!!!

HOLD UP, how do you know WHO I KNOW???

I USED TO work in the entertainment industry and have WORKED WITH and PARTIED right ALONG SIDE some of the people that are SUPPOSED to be devil worshippers…

Matter of fact, I PARTIED with one of them in August on a YACHT and then partied with him and chopped it up with him AGAIN just a few weeks ago!!!

I haven’t SEEN ANYTHING that would cause me to believe that they worship the devil and I have WORKED with them and partied with these folks NUMEROUS times throughout the years…

I think Jay-Z and a number of others are brainwashing people. Especially the young innocent ones…

@ Thomas

Sweetie…like I said, I was once caught up in the whole “they’re devil worshippers” thing. But then my inquiring God-given mind made me dig a little deeper.

I love this quote by Pimp or Die, …could he be subliminally trying to convince sinners to be more righteous???” Cuz honestly, i do believe that could possibly be a subliminal message. I did a little more research on Baphomet and not just take what I was told and run with it. Baphomet’s original meaning was not one of Satanism, but one of wisdom. The symbol was drawn by a very righteous group to symbolize man, the goat head is there because it represents man’s sinning nature. But the rest is available to you through research, Satanists adopted the symbol for shock value, because the symbol was controversial with The Church. And by the way, Satanists DO NOT believe in the devil. And neither do Jews who are pre-Christian. And you CANNOT be a Freemason AND a Satanist, luciferian or Atheist. Freemasons believe in a benevolent Creator-GOD.

@ thomas

You can try all you want for them to see it your way. It’s too late, they done got to all of them and they are now followers. (willingly or not)

AND THE “MURDER JESUS” record was proven false. “DO YA RESEARCH” What do these ppl have to do for yall to leave them alone? Because they have a lot of money and fame?? So that is the only you become rich and famous, by selling your soul? NOT! how about its all about Networking. And knowing the ppl at the top and making your way up. You know, HARD WORK?!? Jay Z has said “Lord Jesus, please be my savior” and NO ONE EVER talks about that. I work in PR in NY and on numerous occasions I have heard that Jay in facts has to put Beyonce in check at times to let her know that there is more to life than money and fame. That is why they are so private. To have that much money and still be sane and in your right mind takes knowledge of Self and THAT is what I think Jay stresses.

Yes, he is!! LOVE YOU JAY!

@Jewel or should I say HOV PR team person go make sure he has on the right outfit or something.

@ Pay Me

LOL Why, because I’m telling you to leave this man alone? I dont follow the crownd hunny, sorry.

@Slide Like A Fresh Pair of Gators

unless you are on Shawn Carter’s payroll there is no need for you to work so hard for him.

Funny how you are more upset about what Dmariefashion is wearing than you are about the Beyonce devil outfit.

I gave you all my explanation of how I came to my conclusion about what these people are about and non of it had anything to do with youtube. Take it easy

@Dmariefashion
don’t even sweat this dude, he is just mad that his idols have been exposed for the frauds that they are

*crowd*

@Dmariefashion
btw you look beautiful

LOL I find it funny that there are two sides in this debate:
One side is saying you don’t know that they really are doing these things and the other is fighting so hard to claim that they do but probably have never seen these people behind closed doors to say they do.

@thomas

thank you hun =)

ROFLOL-This is HILARIOUS..I have read EVRY single comment here and although the Illuminati theory sounds plausible when taken out of context, it is CLEAR that those writing about it here have no more than a youtube, preachers sermon, conspiracy theory understanding of the Illuminati or the New World Order/New Age Movement.

It you did, you’d know that NONE of the hand symbols, song references have anything to do it. I have studied as a part of my religious history for about 15 years now, and my advice is simple.
If you’d like to REALLY know it’s origin, history and understand it’s evolution and progression/plan start studying for YOURSELF and STOP riding the wave of you tube.
In fact, the effort and movement towards connecting the Illuminati to Jay Z/HipHop or Barack Obama is deliberate. It is designed to make you look in their direction, while the true power secretly operates elsewhere.

@ Jewel

I also find it very funny that you are defending someone you do not know. Have you been to his house or seen him behind closed doors? No, so you keep your opinion and we will have ours…

Brainwashing at it’s finest. Jay, you did good man. They on here fighting for you!

@ example

Co-sign!

@ Kay Kay

Agreed! All I’m saying is for someone who wants to be so righteous, you probably shouldn’t bear false witness. You know, making claims about someone that isn’t true? Thats a commandment. And I’m not defending him, just asking what are your sources?

It’s over with now Hov put his people on the blogs to clear up everything.Now it’s a answer for everything GTFOH again.

@slide

LOL…u a funny dude! I used to do the same thing, but I decided that it would be better if I spent my time on blogs defaming people I don’t know anything about personally.
Damn, man u would think Jay killed MLK, JFK and dropped the towers the way people on here go in…and all cuz dude got a lil paper???
If that’s all it takes then I gotta stop my wife from tivo’n Oprah every day…that shit’s probably got her headed for a prime date with Beelzebub!

Masons do not worship the devil. i dated a prince hall mason. he is a christian. al sharpton is a mason and so are a lot of other minsters. is there a Mason on here that could please set these ignorant people straight!!

next people will be saying that he is a delta sigma theta

@ Renee

That might be the most profound thing I’ve ever read on here…

@KayKay & example

That might be the dumbest thing I’ve ever read on here…

@Mya

Ok I am sorry I meant to say that too someone else up above…You are right!

Mason are not the problem the illumanti is the problem. My mom worked with a black mason and I met him last week. He told me all about the masons he bragged about being a mason over 30 years. He bragged about all his world wide connections he stated that 33 or 34 was the higest level and that he was 33 he went on and on I was like damn STFU masons are regular people with good connections but who is the illumanti

@Slide Like A Fresh Pair of Gators

You don’t know Jay z
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@Dmariefashion

First off, take that damn silly a$$ shoe-string that’s wrapped around your head off…
Who told you that was cute??? WTF??? SMH
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that was mean! lol! I don’t think I’ve seen that side of you before… (I kinda like it!) lmao!
But seriously, I took it as her being young. My sister wears those things, and she’s only 17. I agree they do look stupid though, and now my sister has a tan line across her forehead! lol! Totally off subject… lol.

I really enjoyed this clip. He is quite a charming guy!! It was a different side of him than I ejoyed seeing!!

The old Mason theorys are based on evil but the new mason have tried to turn the image around Masons accept any relegion so of course you can worship the devil and be a mason but I am not quite sure on the mason thing it can go both ways but I do know masons who are not evil and are regular people.

For the last time the Mason Documentary aired on the discovery channel this weekend and MASONS ACCEPT ANY RELEGION.

@Fred

WTF were you trying to say? Whatever angle I read that ish at still doesn’t make sense to me.
You made a definite and utterly false statement about Masons and then went on to say, “I’m not sure about the Mason thing”….you’re not sure? No kidding

@ Des

Checkmate!

@Pimp Or Die because like I stated I have met Masons in the past. If you go to the discovery channel and look up the documentary you will see what I am saying. The doc is two hours and the first hour they tell you about all the evil things you hear people say they don’t sugar coat it and then the last half hour they say this is not true (in the first hour they prove it’s true)and give the Mason story in a whole nother light so it’s confusing you spend the first hour scared to def than the next hour everything change and part of the initation process you have to pray to the God of your choice. So if you see the doc you will see what I am saying.

*correction sense*
Look at me slowing down LOL!

@ duh wtf-I’m no longer laughing because the truth IS important so please start your independent study (I promise you it will be the most valuable journey you’ve ever taken. The New Age Movement; and the Illuminati 666 by William Josiah Sutton (books 1 & 2) will take you all the way back to the beginning (historic and religious). It will also, direct you to the additional resources necessary to validate.

@ pimp or die-Thanks!

@ Fred-There is a connection between original Freemasonry & The Illuminati. As you study, you’ll discover that the Black Masonic movement began out of ignorance, because blacks were NOT and are NOT welcome into actual Freemasonry. This is why I am so vehemently opposed to beginning a parallel movement, simply because we are not allowed into the white man’s organization. Some of the things they do we should NEVER endeavor to be a part of or to emulate.

In closing, my pastor said to me when I first began my studies on this subject, when we (African Americans) could not read, ignorance was an excuse, but we can read now and are therefore accountable for the ignorance we so passionately embrace.

Love and Peace Family,

@ renee
thank you for that. you sound like you actually make sense.

@Renee

I love it way to end it girllll!!

@Slide Like correction Hov wears a black Jesus piece and we know Hov is a black man.

@Renee the mason is where people had to go underground to study Nostradumas had to go under with his pratice of alcany and it is beleived he was a mason so that is why I am not sure of the masons being eveil you stated black people had to pratice underground like nostradumas so the question is who is evil the people who had to go undergroung or the people who sent them running underground.sorry about all the mispelled words whatever.

@ dmarie i think the headbands cute. i wear them all the time. old heads wouldnt understand they’re not up to date with fashion lol.

@ok

thanks hun i love them, i love 70′s fashion so i was happy when it was a fashion statement again

ILLUMINATI, NEW WORLD ORDER

FREEMASONS

he is definitely a memeber of one of the organizations…

I just think it is about control and abundance of cash, ruling those who don’t have, that’s the part every one starts talking about him worshping the devil… I dk how true that is..

@tony redd- glad to see you still hanging in there..

What wrong with triangles, this is related to geometry and related the Pyramids.
What is wrong with stars? Are they not associated with the heavens?

I could have sowrn that, that symbol was that of Delta Sigma Theta, Inc. There is nothing original about him. When I first saw that I thought he was praising the Deltas, but I should have known better. Has he been approached by the organization about using that symbol, since he likes lawyers. It goes both ways Jay-Z. You’re not the only person in the world with an attorney.

He got that from the wrestler “Diamond Dallas Page”. He patented that hand gesture for his signature move called the Diamond Cutter. I believe Jay paid DDP so he can use it for the roc. look it up. http://www.instantreplaysportcard.com/items/8x10s/ddp.jpg

Hey Always Knew

@Dmarie..

I am going to leave you alone it has already been made to clear to us that you are a kid…So in a minute your computer lab class will be over and you will have to go home…So make sure you pick up that bible tonight ok Hun and read a couple verses
And stop listening to people like Plies, T-Pain and whomever else didn’t make it pass the 5th grade ok boo boo..Ta Ta for now..RAMBO!

And the triangle also represents GAYNESS TOO LOL!!
So hey this can go both ways people!

he told yall where he got the sign from. its not no devil worship. any time a brotha becomes successful you wanna say he had the devils help. the rock sign was being thrown up since 1996 before Jay-z was even a mogul ma. I mean can the man live??? if you go back and listen to his music there are countless times when he gave thanks to the lord for puttin him in a position to be succesfull. Listen to the song storm feat. lenny kravitz…

@Slide Like A Fresh Pair of Gators

Kanye is not a Christian

Kanye made a satement about him believing in Jesus as an icon “I don’t give it all up to Jesus ….. People will say ‘Aw, man he wasn’t saying that Jesus thing when he made the song!’ But, when I made the song, that’s how I felt, but this is six years later. This is how I feel now.”

Link below
therundown.tv/headlines/say-what/kanye-west-looks-at-jesus-as-an-icon/

Kanye with the baphomet shirt link below

samuelcraven.com/work/jay-z-is-a-freemason/

To Christians (I’m talking about Christians not Jehovah’s Witnesses) Jesus can never just be an icon – He is God in the flesh.

No need for me to go any further, what I mentioned above is sufficient proof, but I’m sure who will try to prove us wrong. LOL

*you

After Ms. Carter told that story about Jay learning to ride his bike on the Black Album, I said to myself aint no way that boy is a devil worshipper…lmao!!

@Alrighty Then

No, being an atheist does not mean that you worship the devil, but denying the divinity of Christ and openly wearing the devil outfits does (I’m talking about Kanye).

@ Fred, OK and Des-I typed an entire response to Fred’s question and it has not appeared…HMMMMM..(not surprising, cause the first edition of the book i referenced earlier was BANNED in the USA)

I’m not discussing this on here anymore, Fred and anyone else interested holla and we can set-up a study group.

2nd attempt
@ Fred-Let me rephrase my earlier statement. The original order of Freemasons is a “whites only” organization. Because blacks clearly had limited background information on the TRUTH of Freemasonry, scholars and researchers have determined that the Black Masonic movement was started as a rebellion of sorts to not being allowed to join the original Freemasons.

Similar to the movement that surmises that changing NI**ER to NI*A, changes it’s meaning AND takes the negativity out of it. In my humble opinion, that too is a practice born of willful ignorance..

WHEW,
Ya’ll makin a sista step her history/religious game up something terrible..LOL

I Love it and ALL of you more than you’ll ever know..

TRW

Is Ty-Ty Gay? LMAO!

I wear what makes me happy and if a shoe string around my head does then I will.
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@Dmariefashion

Ok, I see where you’re coming from = Do your thing Lil’ Momma

If it’s one thing that I respect it’s when people are NOT followers and think for themselves and do what makes them happy as opposed to just doing what everybody does just because…

You keep on doing what makes you happy alright

Since you’re a youngin’ (*I didn’t know that) I apologize if I hurt your feelings, I’m sorry I should be building you up and not breaking you down especially ’cause you’re a lil’ Sista…

Here’s a link from brittanica online since youtube isn’t crediable. lol

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/144425/Aleister-Crowley

@Slide Like A Fresh Pair of Gators

lol – You are either a major JayZ stan or you work for him or possibly you are him. Either way you are funny.

@Renee

Preach sister preach

He & wifey CANNOT B STOPPED!! I love them, I can see why she fell for him more now he is very funny and a funny, well dressed, papered up, smelling good, successful, no baby/baby mommma havin’ man sounds like a GREAT move to me too Bey…GO GIRL!

lol – You are either a major JayZ stan or you work for him or possibly you are him. Either way you are funny.
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@Samantha

Beautiful, I ain’t no Jay-Z Stan but I’m a fan of his music though… If I was a “stan” I wouldn’t call that man = “Bubba Lip Shawn”… And by the way, yes they do be up on these blogs = I’ve seen them with my own eyes and I was surprised myself to be honest with you…

Naw, after he gave a legitimate sounding explanation about how they came about using the Roc Symbol, I decide to argue with the C-O-N-spiracy Theorists about all of the devil worshipping nonsense that they run around and put up on ALL of the blogs… I don’t usually argue with them but today I decided to and all I want them to do is provide PROOF and EVIDENCE about their claims and for them to NOT use YouTube as their ONLY source… You feel me?

Thank you by the way, I appreciate it…

@WTF-Hallelooyer!!!!!!! ROFLOL……

http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1517546/20051206/jay_z.jhtml

Man it’s obvious Jay-Z is a part of the Freemasons. This is a satanic organization.

Nas said it the best on “Ether” “Whats sad is I love you you traded your soul for riches”

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@slide
Ok. My bad. I believe you. wink

Hova=God. No wonder he and Oprah are such good friends. They are one of few people who believe that their money makes them Gods.

Jay is a liar just like his master Lucifer. Of course he won’t tell us what his sign literally means. Jay is smart enough to know that if everyone knew the truth it would be hard to sell records hence making it harder for the fools who throw up the “roc” to give praise to his master.

The proof is out there for those who can decipher it. Its not going to ring your doorbell you have to search for it and recognize the devils call sign.

@KocaKola
I feel the same way.

Oprah does not come right out and say that she is endorsing the new age movement, which is a doctrine that teaches humans have divinity within themselves but not in the person of Jesus or the Holy Spirit as Christians do.

Oprah believes she is a god and so does Shawn Carter and maybe this is why he is one of the few rappers she swoons over. SMH

They can believe what they want, but I have a problem with them sneaking in their views and masking it as Christianity.

@KocaKola
I feel the same way.

Oprah does not come right out and say that she is endorsing the new age movement, which is a doctrine that teaches humans have divinity within themselves but not in the person of Jesus or the Holy Spirit as Christians do.

Oprah believes she is a god and so does Shawn Carter and maybe this is why he is one of the few rappers she swoons over. SMH

They can believe what they want, but I have a problem with them sneaking in their views and masking it as Christianity.

@Tj
I agree with you

@TJ

Can I ask you a question? And this is serious. I dont know about what “New Agers” believe but tell me this, where does the Holy Spirit reside? How do you talk to God? Does God speak to you? If so, how? God aint in the church building my friend. “The flesh it is the temple, and the temple is the Church.”

@Pimp Or Die FINALLY A PH MASON TO LET THESE FOOLS KNOW WERE NOT DEVIL WORSHIPERS THE SAME ONES ON THE POST CALIMING TO HAVE READ THIS AND THAT DO NOT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT.

@Rona @KocaKola @TJ

Taken out of factual context and placed within the context of random explanations and theories, I understand the suspicion, however the statements above regarding Oprah/Jay Z/Barack Obama dangerously oversimplify the new age movement.

The danger in over-simplification is that the TRUTH, gets buried beneath the smoke and mirrors.

TRUST and STUDY-Oprah, Jay Z and POTUS, though brilliant minds and business people, have often operated as distractions, in their ignorance and/or naivete!

@ Renee

Yes my comments are oversimplified I just don’t have the energy today to try to convince people of the obvious. God has to open their eyes for all they see is foolishness. You should familiarize yourself with “Maitreya” the coming world teacher/false prophet who is suppose to bring peace on earth.

By the way, Delta Sigma Theta Sorority Inc, (Hey Sorors) actually holds up that symbol and about 5-8 years ago was about to sue Jay-Z for holding it up (as DST is copyrighted and thats why his has a “dip” in it and ours does not.

Get it right!!!

New Agers believe that we are all Gods and once humanity realizes our “divine nature” we will ascend like the masters before us (ect. Jesus) and reign as Gods of the universe.

These teachings are demonic and intented to distract us from the true God so that we will share in the devil’s destruction.

I wonder how much his social security checks are.

you are so wrong he has a dip in it because it’s the seeing eye when you look from the other side you should see one eye through the diamond when it comes to delta’s you just throw it up any kind of way not when the roc does it you have to show one eye

New Age teaching is the Old trick Satan used in the garden of Eden when he told Eve she would be like God if she ate of the apple. And like Eve many will take the bait.

God made us in his image so we are all little gods. There is only ONE GOD, however because god created us in his image, we follow certain rules. For example, treating our bodies like temples, not eating pork, not being sexually promiscuous. And there is NOTHING new age about that.

The all seeing eye of “Ra” an ancient God that was praised through the worship of the sun. The top half of the R in the Roc logo has the dip to advertise the “all seeing eye” of Ra aka Satan. This is the devil’s call sign. Those with wisdom understand this.

So are Deltas suposed to throw it up in front of one eye. Yes/no if you look at all the pictures of Hov throwing it up you can see one of his eyes.

We are NOT Gods. We are mortals created by God for a divine purpose that Satan corrupted when he decieved Eve into eating off the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Since Eve committed the first sin our purpose has been to learn godly character (resist sin) so that we may eat of the Tree of life and recieve the gift of immortality. Those who cannot atttain godly character will not recive the gift of eternal life but will reap destruction along with Satan and his demons.

New Agers worship the devil because they accept and praise his teachings as truth. These new age teachings are from Satan. The concept that we are all Gods and there is no sin came from Satan himself. The whole reason Satan was kicked out of heaven was his arrogance and pride that pumped him up to believe that he was equal to or greater than God. He was the smartest and most beautiful angel and because of this he became arrogant and haughty.

God says “pride comes before the fall”

KocaKola

The all seeing eye of “Ra” an ancient God that was praised through the worship of the sun. The top half of the R in the Roc logo has the dip to advertise the “all seeing eye” of Ra aka Satan. This is the devil’s call sign. Those with wisdom understand this.

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Thats not true Kola…How is the worship of the sun the “devils” work when God created it? Ra has nothing to do with Satan. The Egyptians were the true ascended masters before ANY religion came about. There was NO Christianity back then. The Romans used Christianity to control the massess. The Greeks before them studied from the Egyptians..

@KocaKola

“The concept that we are all Gods and there is no sin came from Satan himself. The whole reason Satan was kicked out of heaven was his arrogance and pride that pumped him up to believe that he was equal to or greater than God. He was the smartest and most beautiful angel and because of this he became arrogant and haughty.”

Now this is true.

@Kola

We are God and God is We.

@Alrighty Then
Oh my I thought KocaKola explained it well.

As Christians we are to praise God, not think that we are God himself. God created the universe, can Jay Z or Oprah create the univers. NO.

By convincing yourself that you can actually become or are God, you are following Satan and that is the same as worshipping Satan.

I jus wanna know if I listen to their music am I going to hell??????????????

@ Tony

I won’t argue with you because I wasn’t there. But God says that there are no Gods except him. So when the fallen angels/demons came to earth the ancient world mistook them for Gods. So this Ra character could have been Satan or some other fallen angel. But what I do know is that they were not Gods and the only beings hungry for worship as God is Satan and his demons so either way this entity is demonic. BTW I am not christian I am a child of God..the God of abraham, moses, noah. Christianity and all religions are Manmade.

@ what the hell
LOL, I think Pac summed it up best, we too stupid to know we all ready in hell

@ What the Hell

Only God can judge you.

Rona

@Alrighty Then
Oh my I thought KocaKola explained it well.

As Christians we are to praise God, not think that we are God himself. God created the universe, can Jay Z or Oprah create the univers. NO.

By convincing yourself that you can actually become or are God, you are following Satan and that is the same as worshipping Satan.
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@Rona

lol, aint nobody bringin up Satan but yall. If it is true that Oprah and Jay beleive they are God’s, it simply means to me that they beleive they are in complete control of their destiny, which a lot of Christian followers dont believe. You dont know how many times Ive heard from a Christian blame it on the Devil” or “Leave It up to God” and they are still in the same position they are in 10 years from now.

If God created the universe, why is Astrology and Numerology shunned upon in the Christian community as a tool to guide one’s self?

@RONA -

Rona

@Alrighty Then
Oh my I thought KocaKola explained it well.
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she did, but there is still no proof tying it all together. I’m sorry, but I’m not buying it.
I don’t know and can’t speak for what anyone else believes, but I can’t be swayed from my beliefs because Jay-Z, Barack, or anyone else says it is so. I believe in my Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Anything else, is straight poppycock, IMO. I will be sitting back like “damn, they on some OTHER shit”, but I’m not going to follow them because of who they are. I just don’t understand the ultimate purpose of this so-called “new age/cult/devil-worship” crap as it relates to consumers of the music. Can you explain that?

@KocaKola
I’m confused, so you don’t belive in Jesus?

Jesus never declared a denomination…he never says I am catholic…I am baptist…I am christian. He introduced himself as the “son of God”. Religion is manmade and therefore dangerous to lead people astray because it is full of flaws and separates God’s children.

@KocoKola what is the purpose of the NWO new world order.

KocaKola

@ Tony

I won’t argue with you because I wasn’t there. But God says that there are no Gods except him. So when the fallen angels/demons came to earth the ancient world mistook them for Gods. So this Ra character could have been Satan or some other fallen angel. But what I do know is that they were not Gods and the only beings hungry for worship as God is Satan and his demons so either way this entity is demonic. BTW I am not christian I am a child of God..the God of abraham, moses, noah. Christianity and all religions are Manmade.
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The same rhotoric you are speaking is from a man-made Bible. First King James version then the New Testament. You mean they couldnt get it right the first time?..lol..The world NEVER ended. If it did, does the Bible explain how it was made…again? If the Bible has the answers, then how were the pyramids built? Why do Christian worship on a SUNday (Ra-Sun God). Why do some religions worship on a SATURNday…This is an example of how mordern day Christianity is a convluted spin off of Egyptology…

My point is WE have the power to ascend just like the Egyptian masters, Jesus etc. However it is only up to us to beleive. God is not external, Its within. The Devil is only real in your mind because you give it/him/she the time of day…

@ Jason

“Yes I believe in Jesus”, if it weren’t for him God would have never given us a chance to eat from the Tree of Life. Because Jesus humbled himself to the conditions of man (going from spirit to physical) God gives us his favor because his son was once one of us and gave his life to pay for our sins.

KocaKola

Jesus never declared a denomination…he never says I am catholic…I am baptist…I am christian. He introduced himself as the “son of God”. Religion is manmade and therefore dangerous to lead people astray because it is full of flaws and separates God’s children.

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Yet you sound religious…

@ Keri

The whole purpose of the NWO is to bring the antichrist to power. Satan is greedy he doesn’t want to rule a nation he wants the world.

@ Keri

After he is brought to power the Antichrist will assemble all the armies of the world to fight agaisnt Jesus’s second coming. Because he knows when Jesus comes his reign is finished.

@ Tony

Most assume the pyramids were built by the Anninaki

@ Tony

Jesus never once a day in his life proclaims he is a ascended master. He was resurrected by God if you read revelations it already says “Satan fools the whole world”. Next question how…just re read some of your comments.

@KocaKola
Thanks for the explanation. So do all Christians believe in the trinity. ie. Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as three persons in one Godhead

KocaKola

@ Tony

Jesus never once a day in his life proclaims he is a ascended master. He was resurrected by God if you read revelations it already says “Satan fools the whole world”. Next question how…just re read some of your comments.
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If Jesus never ascended how could he proclaim himself as God’s Son? How did he have such divine knowledge?

OMG, everyone one who isn’t blind knows Jay-Z worship satan so I refuse to argue. We will all be there on judgment day when he and his followers( along with satan and his minions) are cast into the lake of fire..Until then people who are NOT blinded keep spreading the truth. Goodbye

Those that believe Jay is a devil worshipper spend too much damn time on the internet. Worse than cult leaders, bible thumpers, and followers …go due something productive.

That hand sign is at least a few thousand years old:

Zai

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/87/Kuji_Jai.gif

@ Tony
“Christianity is a convluted spin off of Egyptology…”

This may be true but Jesus never said he was Christian. Christianity evolved from the teachings of Jesus many years after his death. They are related but not the same. Christians to me are just people who take their faith from the bible. But the true children of God do his will and keep his commandments.,,related but not the same. Everyone says they are christians but few can say they are children of God.

@kola

I gotta go..

Ill be back later if you answer..

@ Tony

He never ascended…he was RESURRECTED. To ascend is on your own accord. But to be resurrected is only done through the will of God.

Where in the bible does is ever mention Jesus ascending?- Rhetorical question because it doesn’t. That lie comes from the father of all lies Satan himself.

@ tony

Bye..! nice discussion.

@KocaKola

On a serious note, a lot of what you type reads profound, yet the posts are full of contradictions….what are you basing these statements on?

@KocaKola

You say that you have seperate ideology of Christinity yet you sound like one…

Jesus never said he was Christian yet Christians, Catholics, and Baptists study the Bible, and your posts regarding “Satan” come directly from the Bible..

Aight Ill be back…

@ Jason

I am not christian and you pointed out one of the main reasons I am not.

The trinity is a manmade concept. It is never mentioned in the bible you will only learn it in certain churches who add their own flavor to the bible. This is why religion is flawed…too many add ons and not the pure word of God.

@ Pimp or Die

Bible/ Holy Spirit which speaks to you if you are a true child of God. God’s spirit speaks to me daily.

@KocaKola

He never ascended…he was RESURRECTED. To ascend is on your own accord. But to be resurrected is only done through the will of God.

Where in the bible does is ever mention Jesus ascending?- Rhetorical question
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John 20:17

@ Tony

I sound like a christian because we worship the same God. But I try to strictly follow the bible and most Christians do not. They follow some things and not others. This to me is being fake or lukewarm so I choose not to associate with them. Jesus says he is the only way and his way was not named christianity.

@ Pimp

No his rising/ascending into the clouds was named the RESSURECTION. Putting your on spin on scripture will only keep you from the true God.

A bird can ascend into the air but to be ressurected means you were brought alive from the dead.

@KocaKola

Where did you get your bible and what’s going on with your holy spirit?

I’m just saying, your statements are so wildly off the mark that it really begs those questions. The entire book of John speaks in very specific language about His ascension into Heaven, as well as the Trinity.

Is this Jay-Z…trying to get us to worship the devil again??? You so crazy!

Boy, Stop!!!

I am a proud member of Delta Sigma Theta, Inc. We do not throw up the diamond symbol, as Jay-Z. We are known for the Pyramid=Delta, pinkies in!

Why can’t you be resurrected and then proceed to ASCEND into Heaven????

Since your bible appears to be broken and you don’t believe me, I’ll let Jesus tell you…

John 20:17
Jesus said unto her, “TOUCH ME NOT; FOR I AM NOT YET ASCENDED TO MY FATHER: BUT GO TO MY BRETHREN, AND SAY UNTO THEM, I ASCEND UNTO MY FATHER, AND YOUR FATHER; AND TO MY GOD, AND YOUR GOD.”

Maybe you should try the King James version instead of the Lebron James version…

The triangle is used more often then you think. Delta Sorority uses it, some non denominational church’s use it, satin worshippers use it. Everybody uses it so there is nothing original about this symbol or what it stands for. Get over it.
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With all due respect, the Delta Sigma Theta Sorority hand symbol is not a triangle, but a pyramid, with the thumbs forming a horizontal line.
The diamond hand symbol, associated with Jay-Z forms a “V” with the thumbs.

Maybe you should try the King James version instead of the Lebron James version…

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DEAD! Lol!!

all these guys lie in interviews anyway. They always say things that black ppl who have followed them for years know are not true. Bojangles started it. LL made up that he was freestyling on Oprah and Jay-Z does it too.

@Slide-I know you haven’t asked me, but I’d recommend you begin your own studying, because once again the conversation has gone LEFT (truths, mixed with theories and supposition)

That is the current problem with listening to someone else’s perspective without the benefit of supporting resources AND the reason the NWO is still operating successfully so covertly.

Jay Z/Oprah/POTUS =NOT a Satan Worshippers

@Real Talk

We have been having a respectful, informative, conversation all day (w/resources) so i suggest you read the earlier posts from today around noon, and don’t assume that others have NOT done their homework.

Many of the things I’ve heard to day are derivatives or components of The Complete Truth. The danger of relying on components, pockets or derivatives of truth mixed with emotion, religion and supposition, is that decisions made without complete information is MORE dangerous than ignorance.
Peace

i am so glad the deltas on here have reminded everyone on here that jay-z is not doing their sign. he is doing a diamond sign with thumbs going down to make a diamond. never realize the eye thing until today. he may want to show his wife how to do it correctly. she keeps doing the delta sign. maybe she wants to an honorary member.

That is sooooo stereotypical. I’m sorry I’m actually fair skin, not all Deltas are dark skin. How ignorant. And by that statement alone I know u indeed r the devil. So I’m not talking to u anymore.

I’d recommend you begin your own studying
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@Renee

I’d recommend that you be quiet, I didn’t ask you your opinion on the matter… You can give it and by all means do but don’t offer me simple minded advice – Thank You

@ Slide

So suggesting you use your own brain by doing research instead of relying on the intellect of others translates as simple-minded advice? I think that means YOU have a simple mind and are not interested in engaging in higher level forms of thinking or conversing…

The other thing, at NO point have I been rude to you so I’ll suggest that you dish out the same respect that you’d like to receive.

Love Ya…

Hmmmmmm………….

@ Slide

the sweat shirt says “Do what thou wilt” a phrase stated by Crowley who is a satanist, and believes in the whole thing about freeing your mind and being independent, that’s from what I read about him.

Tupac, Ice Cube, Rakim, Scarface, A Tribe Called Qwest would drop jewels for the youth. I can’t name one rapper out now that has a message that will stand the test of time……

Honorary? Brothers of the Krimson and Kream are the only ones who shoot the correct Diamond.

Phi Nu Pi

@ Slide

You’ve just PROVEN just how simple you are..

PEACE~

@Dmarie

Oh Ok, thank you Beautiful yeah someone pointed that out… Do you by any chance know when he wore that shirt and how do y’all all know about it… Nevermind YouTube… SMH

And so when “Bubba Lip Shawn” wore that “Che Guevara” t-shirt a while back on that MTV Unplugged Show – you mean to tell me that there was a secret message behind that too… Was that a nod to Fidel Castro and him saying thanks for all of the coke that he got to the U.S that he sold back in the day???

My point is, some of y’all run read TOO MUCH into things sometimes… Has it ever crossed y’alls mind that his stylist picked it out, ironed it and he just threw it on because it went with his outfit… Seriously? Sheesh

@Bozak

What up, Phi?

Tell ‘em ’bout it, Yo….ain’t no such thing as an ‘honorary’ Nupe!

@Renee

No problem and thanks for your dumb advice…

So now you know that if you plan on butting in one of MY conversations if what you have to say offers little or NOTHING to what me & whoever are talking about = shut up!!!

- PEACE

@ Slide

o ok now I’m beautiful lol
but yeah I see where you are coming from but it’s just to much of a coincidence for him to wear that shirt for his interview of run this town who has a lot of occult connections to it. What’s crazy is a lot of rock stars are influenced but Crowley especially Marolyn mason, so come on you know Jay has heard about That phrase, because he is surrounded by entertainers. That’s just the way I see, You may say I may be reading too much into it but honestly I think a lot of people are going into it enough

My Bad for bad spelling and typos

How about I let Meagan read
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@Renee

WHOA, WHOA, WHOA…. YOU KNOW MEAGAN = OH SH*T!!!

Hey, don’t show Meagan this…

Alright, I apologize and I am sincerely sorry

@Dmarie

Cutie Pie, did you see what I wrote to you at 3:46???

Well anyways, follow the advice that ‘thepromised1′ wrote to me so you can have a stronger argument and be more persuasive next time around my Dear:

“if you don’t read historical information and research to understand the full design of everything around you to a degree you can explain it with insight beyond its face value, then there’s no point in bringing it up. Your opponents will use your ignorance and unknowing to dismantle your argument and have you doubting yourself”.

@Slide

ROFLOL

That’s better-Apology Graciously Accepted

NOW-Stop instigating Black on Black crime (makin a sista wanna kick you in the shin-hmpf)

It’s all good….

@Renee

Gorgeous, honestly what had happened was that I interpreted what you said to me as talking down to me… I don’t know, it just rubbed me the wrong way, maybe I just read it wrong… But that’s not important… Forget it, we were going back and forth over nonsense anyways to be honest with you…

You know what’s funny, I actually do jot down the names of these books that are brought up whenever some of the more informed people throw them out there or when they are mentioned…

Tell Meagan that I want her to stop them damn lacefronts and get a nice weave or something… My girls hairline/forehead is starting to looked jacked up – but my love for her is still strong… SMH @ myself

@Pimp or Die

(1) he and entertainers on his level, more often than not have someone styling them.

Celebrity Stylist make well over six figures and the celebrity I worked for had one… They don’t have time to shop and plus they wear A LOT of outfits, etc… How I explained it, is probably what happened in my best guess = he saw it and it went with his outfit and it’s as simple as that = as opposed to some big making a statement to the other devil worshippers…

(2) I’m always of the mind that you can never stop learning and you can learn something from anyone, anywhere, everything I learn doesn’t have a direct impact on my life

I’m the same way too and that’s why I like blogs… You get to hear different points of views on things from a whole bunch of different people… But on here you have to weed through a lot of the comments

(3) I don’t care what he believes in, I care who I believe in.

Me too, I just like how he rhymes over beats, it ain’t all that deep to me… Once I hear some stuff that’s really straight forward and unmistakably on some you should worship the devil then I’ll stop listening to him, but until then no… And you can catch all of these people at the club and if you hop in their car it’s on the station that plays all of the people that they alledge are devil worshippers… SMH

GOODNIGHT FAMILY and keep it 100……

@ Pimp
cc: Slide and Promise1

& Pimp!!!

Ohh Emm Gee! Please forgive me honey, definitely you PIMP*pretty girl curtsy*

MUAH-LOL!

Muah~

@KOCAKOLA

“Jesus never declared a denomination…he never says I am catholic…I am baptist…I am christian. He introduced himself as the “son of God”. Religion is manmade and therefore dangerous to lead people astray because it is full of flaws and separates God’s children.”
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PREACH IT GIRL. I feel you mama, I be trying to tell ppl about so called “religions are not of God.” I honestly was always skeptical of Jay but im not God, so ima leave him alone.

At the end of the day the experts don’t know whats up. It’s an arguements among them. This gives everyone a chance to reflect on their own life and determine who’s side you are on when it all goes down. It is appearent Time is running out.

I am glad the Delta’s put Beyonce in check. Hope she gets the message. THUMBS DOWN get it right you are disrespecting the Delta’s on that follow the leader shit!!!

why are the kappas talking about honorary members? that is not what i said. i know kappas do not do honorary. married to one. i said beyonce needs to stop doing the delta sign. i know she doesn’t know any better. does she even have a GED?

beyonce would look better throwing a pinkie in the air.

WHEN YOU ARE WORTH A BILLIE.. YOU NEED NO GED

God says MY people die because of ignorance anyone who isnt of God is worshipping the devil ……..

God says “do not worship an other God before me” what does that mean?? it means that you recognize the oneness of God, and you don’t put anything equal to him, or any partner either, if it is worshiping idols,the sun, moon, stars, HUMAN BEINGS, or believing in good lucks materials, etc…like nothing look like him, or equal to him.

When someone say God has a son, or three in 1 (like the concept of the trinity)then the person don’t believe in 1 God, but 3 Gods in 1, so basically that person is committing polytheism(meaning believing in more than 1), and polytheism is something that God will never forgive a person who dies in that state, and shall abide in hell forever.

jay-z may worship the Devil, maybe he does not (i don’t have real evidences on it, unless he confesses), but to be honest he is not worse than those who claim that God has begotten a son, or they thank, or praise Jesus(s.a.w) instead of God, because it is a blasphemy, and the worst thing that one can utter out of their mouths.

Jesus(s.a.w) never claim the creation of all things, nor things that happen to you in your life…He only claimed to be a prophet, a messenger, and messiah, and messiah does not mean son of God.

I hope i didn’t hurt some feelings That is not my intention.

@ CiCI

PLZ learn how to spell words like retarded before calling other people stupid. Just a suggestion.

Fucca jay z….Stevie Wonder 4 Prez!!!!!!!!

Devil Worshpier!!! NEXT~~~>

Back in ’97 was a freshman in high school, didn’t really listen to Jay z at the time and all the ppl. I ran around with would make that hand symbol when we called each other a p***y! Because in most situations it kinda looks like a woman’s vagina. That’s my two cents, I’m sorry!

people are so retarded. Really he worships the devil. he is the exact opposite of that. listen to his album Kingdom Come. And jay-z and hova means Jehovah which means god in hebrew. Young hova means young god and in what more can i say he says ” please lord forgive for my brash delivery..” and way more evidence he believes god