Sunday, October 25th, 2009
Tyler Responds to Spike Lee Calling Madea a Coon…
Posted by Bossip Staff
In a recent interview, Spike Lee refers to Tyler Perry’s TBS sitcoms Meet the Browns and House of Payne as coonery and buffoonery. Tyler Perry responded to Spike’s comments in his interview on 60 Minutes which airs tonight at 7pm.
Pop the Hood for TP’s response… He’s PISSED!!!
First Hip Hop beef, now Hollyweird beef… this is getting a little out of hand. If these two could come together and make a film with Tyler’s comedy and drama, then add that Spike Lee substance, that would make one hell of a film.
We love Madea just as much as the next person, but do you think Spike Lee may have a point???
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I dont think it’s coonery, but it isnt funny either. I guess I’ve just been overdosed on Tyler Perry. The plays were funny, but then when the movies and tv shows came around, I got tired of him.
MAYBE A LIL BUT IT AINT THAT SERIOUS IT JUS COMEDY AND THINGS THAT HAPPEN IN REAL LIFE CANT ACT LIKE EVERY1 DOESNT HAVE FAMILY MEMBERS LIKE TYLER PERRY’S CHARACTERS. SPIKE SOUNDING A LIL UPPITY, JUS A LIL!
Both of his tv shows are horrible, they are not funny at all.
Spike is *****ed, the truth is, we have Madea, and Mr. Brown in our community all the time. There are different genres of comedy. SPike is a great producer, he is hardcore with his, but sometimes Tyler is something you can relate to. Half the time, Madea is the comedy is a serious movie. I loved “why did i get married” that movie was real. I think that instead of hating on this man, either you dont see the movie or you dont. Tyler came a very long way.
SPIKE LEE NEEDS TO SHUT HIS MOUTH!!!
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I agree with the fact that there all “all types” of Black people. I think Spike was saying that he would want to see the other various types of beautiful black people being successful (legally), and not the coontastic adventures of Madear or somebody.
Or he could be bitter because he’s no longer the go-to hollyweird black film producer (Lee had the late 80’s, John Singleton had the 90’s and TP has the 00’s), but I could be wrong.
Spike & a lot of other directors are just mad because they did not figure a way to tap into that black female audience. Before TP productions, I personally know many older black women who have not been to the movies since Color Purple came out. The shoot them up gangster movies did not appeal to them. Now TP have black women going to the movies after church in droves. *****ody was making movies for us & they damn sure wasn’t making movies about us. We have stories that need to be told. Spike, don’t hate cause you didn’t think of it 1st.
The reason TP is really being hated on is cause of the $$$$$$$$$$$$
Well it is “coonery”. That’s the truth of the matter.
Sorry Mr. Perry but we’ve moved beyond characters like Madea and Brown. We don’t need bait to catch your point.If you haven’t heard, African-Americans are smart enough to be presidents now.
As Tyler said these people do exist. i bet you any amount of money alot of us has a Madea or a Mr. Brown in our family. we are so afraid of what the while man may think. i feel a little jealousy with Spike Lee. as long has his name was constantly in the limelight he was happy. now he has competition. If people could love the Hell out of shows like The Wire and The Corner, then i can accept any and all of Tyler Perry’s movies.
I’m with Spike Lee on this. Madea is a total coon and her character is also a sociopath. Furthermore Tyler Perry’s movies are SO predictable and boring. The only interesting characters are the “bad” or “evil” ones. Lots of the Black women in my office think TP is on the DL.
***** please! Perry looked as if was about to snap his fingers and suck his like a lil *****.
Once Perry plays out, soon, he can take them 21st century minstrel characters of his, pack ‘em in a pink chiffon trunk and sashay his punk ***** ***** on the ***** out of hollywood.
Spike Lee just got his career destory. I agree with MrTavMarie but TP shows all of that in his shows successful black people in his shows. All of the movies are about the rich black people. They are lawyers or were married rich and, married others and, got them rich. Madera acts like my grandma so, I think that she just acts like any old black women, I am around. I like him, he was homeless and, he’s the only rich black person that I seen help out when Katrina happened and, didn’t say he was because his publisct said to.
SPIKE LEE DO THE RIGHT THING AND, SHUT-UP BROKE MONKY LOOKING LIKE YOU FROM AUGUSTA!
He said “Speaking to them, speaking to us.” To establish that Madea and his other characters are true reflections of real people. Are they? I think there are some out there that may relate to Madea but she is not an actual representation on all Black American women nor are his other characters. Maybe Spike Lee would be more respectful of Tyler Perry’s work if he had other Characters that did not seem like decendants of the “Good Times” family.
Spike is just jealous. Tyler Perry knows what he is doing. He knows a ministry opportunity and he is brilliant on how he does it. Its Tyler’s time and no one can stop him. This is God’s work. Spike, you had your time. This man is creating opportunity for many people. There is alot about Tyler Perry that people dont even realize. Spike, SHUT UP and COMB YOUR HAIR
spike is mad that tyler perry did this on his own. Perry could put out a movie a year and not have to find the money somewhere or find a studio to do it. He has his own and spike was never able to pull that off. I don’t find madea all that funny, but it has put perry in the position to send those philly kids to disney after that bs happened over the summer. Where was spike at when that happened. Perry is a black man who has a fan base and he caters his movies to his fan based. The majority of that is black. From educated to undereducated, They like his plays and movies and they do usually have a positive message. Maybe a little predictable at times but he believes in positivity and helping out those in a lesser position so i can’t be mad at him.
While I am not always the largest fan of Spike, he makes a good point.
A 6′5 man dressing up as a woman. GTFOH. Tyler Perry has been put on for years. It is time for him to bury that character.
I would believe that Spike was hating but Hollywood Shuffle came out in 87 and Bamboozled in 2000 so black producers/directors have been making the coonery argument before Tyler Perry blew up with Diary of a Mad Black Woman.
There’s no diversity concerning black people in the media. Everyone under 50 is a loud, ignorant illiterate hip-hiop thug or hoodrat. Everyone over 50 is a loud, illiterate, overweight step n’ fetch type. Never well spoken complex beings with everyday interests and outlooks.
And NO I don’t have a single Madea type in my family. I’m sick of black people repeating this bs. Speak for yourself and the circle(s) you travel in.
i agree with spike.. i mean madea movies are always the same..potraiting a mess up black family, no diss to Tyler but “she” should come with a new concept.The plays are waaayyy better than the movies.
I grew up with a Madera someone who loved you right or wrong. Someone who took the time to care there was once a time the whole street you lived on had them and they looked out for everyone. Gave a meal those who was hungry. Shelter as well. Tyler is just showing how it was when we grew up . The whole family has changed and the person next door does not even know your name. So just think don’t we all miss the madera of our day. I am 37.
Have to agree with Spike, and not to mention that the sitcoms are not the least bit funny…
And he is Gay… He plays the Madea character so that he can have a reason to dress in drag….
both of them needs to keep on making interesting movies/ shows to look at, if it is not interesting enough i will not watch/ go see it
there are all types of people in this world, no need for negative comments, we can’t change anybody
wow, didn’t know that there were so many people in the world who dislikes a man who tries makes you laugh
Spike is just jeaulous!! none of his stupig films have ever sold like Tyler Perry’s… HATER, HATER
typo, STUPID
Spike Lee has a point, but when Tyler was making plays everyone loved Madea. The character might be crazy, but she speaks true stuff most of the time. I liked the play ‘Madea Goes To Jail’ it was funny, plus those two hot guys ^_^ (Sonny & Nate) hehe. Tyler is going to do him rather Spike Lee likes it or not.
LOL I agree with spike!!!
spike SHUT UP mehn tyler is just doin wat he does best period…..sometyms itsw funny sometimes it isnt but its he’s job n he’s ministry….so spike i say ur jealous of d guy simple….tyler has created so many job opportunities for black actors n the’s always a messages in each sitcom he does…so all i can say to spike is instead of u sitting n sulking go make a movie wiv tyler get off ur high horse and commend the guy for his positivity…
i think tyler and spike needs to sit down discuss their issues with each other and come together and do some movies together show both sides of our community the serious and the comical pool their resources and bring something that is positive to our community and stop playing to the white media
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Spike Lee needs to s-h-u-t- up !!!!
He make stupid movies with people looking like they,re gliding down sidewalks instead of walking who wants to see that also why does he have to show his ugly face in most of them.
Like Samuel Jackson once told Spike Lee, “you are NOT the voice of Black america.” Many of us in our lives and family know or have seen a person like Madea and that person has a voice too. The problem with Spike is that he has deemed himself the character creator of how Blacks are to be portrayed. That is not his job. He may not like the character Madea or the others, but someone received her message on escaping domestic violence. Jamie Foxx once wrote that no one in the neighborhood would mess with his grandma, Richard Pryor, whose grandma was madam, said the same thing. Both Spike and Tyler are extremely talented and have a right to their craft. This sounds more like a peeing contest. Spike also had a problem with the Hughes Bros and other Black producers. He wants the be the only force and he has to get over it. Spike has a problem with everyone and everything that is not as he believes it should be, it started when his big fame kicked in. He must have forgotten how people felt about Morris Blackmon. Many thought he was an insult to Black men.
Spike is a busta ***** ***** we don’t want to he his movies all the talks about is race and all other types of bull***** that happened way back, so black people can’t be funny and have outlandish personalties we all have to be uppity negros because we have a black president, it’s call comedy
Spike thinks he is the greatest “produce/actor” evented. Please give me a break. Did anyone see the movie “She’s gotta have it” now if that is coon than I don’t know what coon is…
Spike Lee go somewhere and make some more whack ***** movies……Sell out….
We like Madea. Madea to some of us reminds us of our mother, grandmothers, aunts and so on. Tyler Perry keep doing your thing F–spike Lee.
I am not a fan or Tyler Perry’s movies with Madea in them. I did however just purchase Why Did I Get Married( Blockbuster location closing, 3.99 movies) that is a GOOD movie. I wish Mr. Perry would produce more movies like that. Leave Madea and Mr. Brown for plays.
Honestly I dont know any black folks that behave like Madea or Mr. Brown. So Spike may have a point.
Spike DOES have a point. The real issue though, really, is why haven’t we as a people DEMANDED and PRODUCED more films of substance? Why is Madea acceptable just because it’s funny?
Unfortunately, his comment will do nothing but come across as ‘hating’ and not inspire change. He should take his comments to the up and coming black film makers who can REALLY do something about it…..
I agree with Spike. It seems like Tyler Perry is a racist and he hates black people himslef… especially black women.
Spike is only upset because Hollywood want finance his films…Even private donors want fund his events……So what does that tell you? Spike is on the side of the road…TP shouldn’t be upset because he is speeding right past him.
I agree with Spike.
black people never want to see other black people be successful. when was the last time Spike Lee was relevant anyway?
Madea makes black people look ridiculous. Tyler may try doing black face next. Funny is funny! But, coonery is coonery. The guns, smokin’ weed, “can’t spell or write good.” Gimme’ a break! SMH!!!
if spike lee really wanted to make a point, instead of attacking another fellow successful black filmmaker, he needs to go to VH1 and take them to task about all the coonery and buffoonery they show every week on their reality shows.
um, why isn’t spike lee calling out real and chance, ray j., new york, and flavor flav? those coons have shown way more buffoonery and coonery than Tyler Perry ever could.
don’t pay that has been any mind, Tyler. *****ody else is.
Also why is there always an undercurrent of negativity towards professional successful Black women in Perry’s movies? Why are these women always broken or messed up in some way? Why are the problems the Black men have almost always the fault of their wives or girlfriends? As for Perry’s pathetic response that he uses the angry, fat, ignorant, violent, semi literate Madea to talk about God it made LOL at the stupidity of that comment. Is he so delusional to think his movies bring people to God?
Spike is dead on wit it. That ***** Brown be wearing and saying messing up words on purpose for laughs and madea pulling out guns and being all loud thats cooning. Spike makes movies that make you really think and be aware of what your suppose to keep your eye on.
It’s not coonery, it’s an aspect of Black life. I know plenty of Madea’s. What’s the hang up??
@toonmili “I agree with Spike. It seems like Tyler Perry is a racist and he hates black people himslef… especially black women.”
Does that make ANY sense to you? Please explain it to me cos I’m having trouble understanding.
IM TIRED OF TYLER PERRY MOVIES ANYWAY SAME *****,DIFFRENT TITLE..if you dont like what I said then skip over it..good day
SPIKE IS AN *****HOLE!!! HE CAME TO THE OFFICE BUILDING WHERE I USED TO WORK IN JERSEY CITY AND CURSED THIS LADY OUT FOR SAYING HI TO HIM! HIS WORDS MEAN NOTHING TO ME. TYLER IS GIVING PPL MORE JOBS AND MAKING TONS OF MONEY IN A SHORT PERIOD OF TIME….SPIKE IS A HATER! EVEN TO HIS FANS! SMDH
notice how they Tyler Perry haters spell their words correctly and construct actual sentences.
While the Perry lovers can’t spell or punctuate correctly?
The real divide here is cl*****. Ghetto ***** people don’t mind seeing a grown black man in a dress or loud ignorant coonery. They think it’s “normal”.
what do you mean does Spike Lee have a point? Of course Tyler Perry’s stuff is coonery. I go see his movies soley for the purpose of support black actors and producers, but after I went to see the last one, i dont know how i feel anymore. Have you ever watch TP movie with a white person in the theater. and they continued to laugh while everyone else had stopped. I did. and i began to wonder, at what was this 20 something white guy laughing? What was so funny?
Does he manage to get black people into the movies, talk about God, tells children to behave etc. And sorry Tyler Perry has no drama skills. Comedy I’ll give him that but as far as drama ehh. I know how each one of the movies turns out as soon as it begins.
Tyler is right he uses those characters as bait BUT when u watch the shows or movies they have the cl*****y intelligent black characters as well and there,s always GOD in his shows
Spike is just like Oprah and Bill Cosby. They think they are the voice or should be the only voice for black people. They think they are right about everything concerning our race. They want it their way and if you don’t follow their every footsteps in the process then you are a negative force of our race. That’s one major problem I have with the people of my race and that is when a black person becomes famous and rich, they become extremely judgmental of our race; but caters to other races. However, as soon as they wear out their welcome mats with other races, they want to run back to the black people for support after they have criticized every movement and step we have taken in trying to succeed in life.
Why can’t Spike Lee give TP credit for putting these black actors/actresses to work when no one else is doing it and let it be. I say, if you don’t like the man’s work then instead of talking about him, get out there and put what you think is proper on the big screens and networks. Talking negative about your black brother or sister doesn’t get you anywhere. It only makes you look just as coonery and buffoonery as the shows you are criticizing.
I don’t care for Tyler Perry. I think he is fake, but I do enjoy his movies, sometimes I just want to laugh. I don’t want to see the drug addicted black baby mama all the time. Or the ugliest black woman they can find getting abused, or the hardcore black man committing crimes. People forget that Medea is not the only character in his movies. He also has beautiful couples, successful and educated characters in his movies and some good points in his movies. I agree that Medea is distracting in his movies, but white america also has stupid movies that make them look stupid and they also have drama. Tyler just put stupid and drama together. Let’s not forget the other characters in his movies. I just hope he one day find another character to protray the crazy older black woman in his movies because him in a dress is getting old. As for Spike Lee, he is just bitter. I stopped seeing his movies when he tried to cross over with that movie with predominately white actors and it flopped. I read some comment that was something like Blacks don’t like good movies, so he was not worried about pleasing them.
Oct 25, 2009 – 10:57 am Ummmmmm….
Spike DOES have a point. The real issue though, really, is why haven’t we as a people DEMANDED and PRODUCED more films of substance? Why is Madea acceptable just because it’s funny?
Unfortunately, his comment will do nothing but come across as ‘hating’ and not inspire change. He should take his comments to the up and coming black film makers who can REALLY do something about it…..
Do you see the caliber of most of the comments posted here? Does this populace DESERVE any better? If better was handed to them they wouldn’t know what to do with it.
Uhhh, say what you will about Tyler Perry, but at the end of the day, he has hired more struggling black actors and actresses + C, D, & Z level actors and actresses than Spike has. I’m not huge fan of Tyler’s brand of entertainment, but from a “CAPITALIST” point of view, his product is very profitable, and has afforded him the option to greenlight his own projects, build his own production studio and hire minority writers, cameramen, etc, etc, etc…After over 20 years in the business, can Spike say the same thing? There’s room for all forms and taste of entertainment for everyone’s palate. Tyler has found his “NICHE”, and it just so happens, Spike Lee hasn’t.
@ Luddite
not only does TP display successful black women as selfish and materialistic; he displays successful black men as women-abusers, egotistical douche bags. In all of the movies that I have seen, I have never seen one where the wealthy black man gets the woman.
i guess thats his way of telling his mainly female audience to not over look the common man driving the bus who has an ugly hair do, but looks breathtaking in the face
@Zaaquir
at what cost are these actors and actresses working? Solely for their monetary gain? or for the aiding of destruction of the image and perception of the black culture.
Spike Lee= Bamboozled and Jungle Fever
And you want to call somebody out for coonery?????? Please stop the hateration please.
Spike is jealous as hell–his last flick had a 40 million dollar budget, and made less than 10 million–his wife is a paranoid ***** who tried to sue the Spike network cause she was *****ed cause she wanted to buy BET w/ a group of investors–but was beat out by Viacom Corp, which then bought TNN and renamed it Spike TV–and she took it personally–LOL–stupid ni66er *****!!
It’s not that serious people. I’m not a TP fan but he has the right to produce whatever he chooses. He apparently has an audience base that resonate with his material. If you have a problem with TP then don’t watch his shows but allow him to have a voice. I hate the Brown character but Madea has made me laugh a few times. Never saw any of his plays, but I did Netflix “Why did I get married” and it was pretty good.
I agree with Spike Lee the sitcoms are horrible and a poor representation of black families. I’m not to fond of are own ppl, or other races laughing at are expense. Although let me say this I never really was a fan of Spike Lee either he is not really versatile his movies are all the same except maybe one but hey I’m not a hater Tyler Perry is still making money that I don’t have….. degrading black ppl in the process.
@Zaaquir,
You do know that Oprah is one of Tyler’s biggest backers and supporters right? Please you sound like “the hit dog”.
I think Spike Lee is being mean spirited, he should have kept those rude comments to himself. Tyler Perry must be doing something right because he has a huge fanbase and he does employ a lot of black people. I dont care what *****ody says, I like House of Pain, it keeps getting better with time. I like Spike movies and I Tyler Perry’s movies……..why cant we celebrate both?
He said the characters are “disarming” ; Is that as far as making the white people feel comfortable? Tyler Perry, you’re a damn fool. Your movies and shows are trash. I cringe when I p***** TBS and the Brown’s are on. I loathe your stupid ***** movies. He’s nothing but a bought and sold boy’s town member. Tyler, where’s you soul?
Who cares who agrees with Spike Lee. Entertainment is apart of the art form of self expression. Tyler Perry like Spike lee produces movies that they see as art. Mentioning the president being black has nothing to do with Tyler Perry movies. The President being black is something most of us are all proud of, but lets keep it real the President is not God. The fact that Spike Lee still thinks of people who do drugs, curse, carry guns, go to church, pray, laugh, cry and dance that happen to be black as coons. Says more about Spike Lee’s character than it does about Tyler Perry’s.
Seriously
There’s no diversity concerning black people in the media. Everyone under 50 is a loud, ignorant illiterate hip-hiop thug or hoodrat. Everyone over 50 is a loud, illiterate, overweight step n’ fetch type. Never well spoken complex beings with everyday interests and outlooks.
And NO I don’t have a single Madea type in my family. I’m sick of black people repeating this bs. Speak for yourself and the circle(s) you travel in.
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Pure coonery and buffoonery is 100% true. He’s says that it’s attitudes like Spikes, that makes Hollyweird think “black people like madea and the rest. don’t exist” wtf? Is he trying to entertain the magic wood of holly or is he trying to entertain his fans? He sounds like a damn idiot.
Thank you, Spike. I can always count on him to say what most intelligent people are thinking.
“Disarming”
Translation: white people don’t feel threatened and can laugh like they’re watching a good ol’ minstrel medicine show.
SMH.
What Spike Lee doesn’t get is Madea is not the only character in Perry’s Movies. He simply dismissed the fact that Well-educated, married, career-oriented; successful characters who are in the Movies such as “Why Did I Get Married.” How could this be Coonery/ Buffoonery? Spike Lee’s sorry as is simply jealous with hateration to boot. Every black family have relatives from The Browns to Daddy’s Little Girl to Why Did I Get Married Characters from LA to NY to ATL. Give me a Break both the educated and successful and/or possibly in jail. Black people in Hollyweird can not find movie scripts or film that speaks to their audience and Tyler has found a way. Although movies like “Set it Off” were well written and played, it is not something I did not appeal to me. I couldn’t enjoy it with certain family members (like parents). While I do not care for Perry’s TV show (but there’s an audience who does), I love his movies and can it enjoy it with various friends & family regardless of race. I also happened to like some of Spike Lee’s movies as well. “Shelton Jackson Lee” aka known as his changed name “Spike Lee” needs to keep it real. White America got a chance to see various people who are reflected in Perry’s movies, “When the Levees Broke” in New Orleans Spike. You are so self-loathing that you can’t come to terms with the extreme poverty of our black community who reflect characters in “Meet the Brown.” Go figure.
I love Madea but in a way I have to agree with Spike on the coon shish.I can’t watch the Browns it’s too corney and it’s always a crack head some where. The only parts of his movies I like are the Madea scenes.I can’t figure out if I am watching a stage play, soap opera, or a lifetime movie…I figured it was white people watching that shish…..I guess it is funny to them.
These characters exist in real life and it is sooo phony for people to want every black character on TV to be intelligent and successful where in real life every black person isnt intelligent and successful. Every race has it good and bad.
Instead of being ashamed of these people and wanting to sweep them under the carpet they should be celebrated too. I am soo tired of the uptight bouche black folks being soooo worried about what the white man thinks. LIVE YOUR *****ING LIFE AND KEEP IT MOVING!!!
I don’t know…
Everytime there is a successful black person out there, there is always that one black person who is the most harshest and most vocal of critics. SMH. I don’t even look at Tyler Perry’s caricatures as being “coonish” or minstrel like. Madea is harmless character that obviously many of his older, black female, church going public can relate to.
The black race is so full of confusion it isn’t even funny. Every other race out there can celebrate their own but we can’t. We have to tear them down due to jealousy and envy and enternal strife with ourselves. While I do believe that it’s sad that Madea seems to be the ONLY successful black franchise out there in Hollywood right now, it’s that fact alone that might influence others to think that that is all black people have when it comes to entertainment. Remember, if it wasn’t for the hardcore racism of movie studios and producers, we wouldn’t be here tearing Tyler Perry’s success to shreads and referring to it as “coonery”. We wouldn’t have to since there would be a multitude of equal roles for our black actors and actresses.
I think the biggest questions are why Jews run Hollywood, why are they so racist and where was Spike Lee to talk out against the “coonery” in rap videos. SMH.
I guess Spike is trying to be relevant again. Maybe he has a book or movie coming out soon. Why is that we constantly try to tear our own brothers and or sisters down as if outsiders aren’t doing a good enough job? I guess Radio Rahim represents us better Spike? I don’t think so spike and not all blacks live the way you portray either. Maybe, just maybe he’s bitter because Tyler may have made in 30 minutes what Spike couldn’t do in a lifetime. Heller!!!
I like to add all his movies are a little slow pace,or something is still missing.The big wig hollywood faces only can do so much.That don’t mean you made a good movie. I don’t know what it is so no big deal. I am just not a Tyler fan,but I wish him the best.
Spike is speaking the truth, do you know the amount of B’s spike went through when he tried to promote is his film about slavery, the film makers wanted a white women to play the leading role, once spike objected they made sure to slot his film up against two major films, releasing them on the same day,Spike’S film was due for release why should he be bitter
I cosign 100% w/ Rihanna’s sharp n pointy witchy fingernails took the oath and Sepia830,
Tyler Perry’s foolery has never spoken to me and I have never supported his chitlin’ circuit plays or movies. I remember childhood as Cosby show-like, not Meet the Coons or House of Coonery.
WE HAVE GUTTER TRASH WHITE PEOPLE TOO, BUT GUESS WHAT YOU DON’T SEE THEM ON TV, AM I RIGHT!
I HATE BOTH SHOWS! THEIR ACTING IS LIKE AN ON STAGE PLAY. ESPECIALLY THE MAIN WOMAN, THE BIG ONE). SPIKE IS RIGHT! HIS MOVIES ARE GOOD THOUGH. MY FAVORITE IS THE ONE WITH JANET JACKSON….
oh please, Spike Lee is 100% correct. ***** tyler fairy. Yhea those type of characters do exist…. on the *****ing 5 o’clock news.
Spike has always been progressive and have shown the world that not all blacks are fat, black, gang-banging, neck s*****ing, hooping and hollering, basketball player, fake church going, give glory to God COONS.
Tyler Perry and his bull***** if for *****S, not Black people. Black People are tired of that *****.
the term Madea, should have been abolished with slavery. Tyler Perry is monopolizing and exploiting blacks for profit. He’s super rich, he dont live like ANY of his characters. He caters to the po dumb southern negro.
Spike been doing the Right thing!! pun intended.
***** TYLER FAIRY…. who’s with me?!
Its comedy and always has a message.
Love Love Love Perry’s and his movis. T.P please dont stop doing you.
LOL @ Candy Cane -po dumb southern negro! Hilarious! I totally agree w/ your point too.
Well I don’t watch TP’s shows cause they’re not funny to me but he’s movies started out good n now they are a bit redundant. But he does entertain n Spike Lee is coming across a little jealous. I like Madea she’s funny to me and entertaining. If u don’t like it don’t watch his movies! Ppl have to have enough common sense to know that not every black person is one way n the same thing with white ppl! smh
Candy Cane
***** TYLER FAIRY…. who’s with me?!
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i think spike lee can be a lil too intense sometimes but i definitely agree with him on this! tyler perry feeds into all the typical black stereotypes -uneducated, loud,starting fights, etc. i think it’s irresponsible of him. it surprises me that this hasn’t come up before.
lol, cool thanks for the support.
It’s funny how they say Spike Lee is bitter and jealous. Were talking about SPIKE LEE here… you negros are *****ing hilarious. This man could make blockbusters in his SLEEP. He has built a name for himself and doesnt have to dress as a phony mammy to get ticket sales.
This ***** is so obvious is ridicilous. Spike Lee is sooooo not worried about no damn Tyler Fairy.
LOL! The same people deriding Tyler, when was the last time any of you patronized a Spike Lee movie during it’s theatrical release? – Probably not! …And you know why, cuz, Spike’s movies aren’t entertaining. Yes, Tyler’s movies are “LOW BROW”, “CLICHED” and “PREDICTABLE”, but most importantly, they fill seats…So stop pretending that Hollywood’s “MANTRA” is BOX OFFICE. Spike has only had one true profitable movie: THE INSIDE MAN, and ironically, it’s the only movie he didn’t have a firm say so in the development of the script or any true supervisory producing. He was (in all honesty) just hired to direct…Mayhap, Spike should nix putting his heavy-handed sermonizing in his self-produced projects and stard putting out commercial fare that the movie going patrons actually wants to see.
vallery
WE HAVE GUTTER TRASH WHITE PEOPLE TOO, BUT GUESS WHAT YOU DON’T SEE THEM ON TV, AM I RIGHT!
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Not only that, *****s got direct tv channels FULL of alternate images 2 choose from.
Oh, u don’t like wife-beating, Bucktoothed Billy-Bob being confronted in his trailer on Cops? Change the channel… Jack Bauer will save the world in 24 hours.
What we got? The 10 O’ Clock News, Tyler Perry AND Cops!
“Disarming.”
Stepin Fetchit and Rochester were “disarming” 2.
SMH.
Well, I have to admit that I see plenty of Madea’s around the neighbor, but the Brown character is so over the top that it is not even believable. Even though there are indeed some Madeas out there, TP needs to move on and find other interesting characters, because Madea has been done to death.
The titles to the movies alone lets you know there bull*****. Tyler Fairy is laughing all the way to the makeup counter.
He’s the biggest drag queen on television, and for some reason po southern negros cant see it. And the more southern the more christian. How the ***** can a down south person love Tyler Fairy but will have the nerve to gay bash. whoo chile that’s a whole nother issue in itself.
smh
*Isn’t BOX OFFICE* sorry, typo
bottom line- i don’t think any of tyler perry’s movies are funny…in fact, besides all the dumb stereotypes he portrays, they just seem kind of infantile in their plots. like something a 5th grader would write…not believable at all.
Boy, boy, boy .. Can’t win for losing AND you damn sure can’t please everybody!
I’m a big fan of Tyler Perry and his material. His personal story is amazing, he’s come a long way ..
Keep doing your thing, Brother!
HF
wow, couldnt agree more. all this dude is doing is fueling the fire under every negative sterotype about African Americans.
All Black people are not:
over weight
loud
christian
singers
thugs
single parents
convicts
wear cornrolls
are crackheads
eat *****lins’
on welfare
cant find a man
ghetto
hoes
damn need I continue?!
Someone said that they have seen a white guy laughing continuously even after everyone else stopped.I would have to second that and quite frankly I was highly embarr*****ed.I only support Tyler because there is a shortage of black directors and GOOD black actors.But I don’t have a “Madea” in my family but I do some women who can make her look soft.Spike had his day and his people skills are terrible.If they weren’t he would get more funding for his movies.He also comes off as a hypocrite,hating the mulattoes and whites all the while being married to fair-skinned woman.He also loves displaying women in unflattering eh “positions” like Rosie Perez,Tisha Campbell,The entire cast of “Girl 6″,his own sister(which was stomach turning because he was in the room).Spike has opened the eyes of a lot of blacks through his movies but he is not an angel and some characters in his movies were straight up coons.Tyler needs to let Brown’s corny ***** rest,it isn’t funny and he is hard to understand.But Tyler is giving Hollywood a run for their money and more blacks are getting work leading to better roles.So Spike you do you and let Tyler do him!
I like the tyler Perry plays. But he then kept bombarded us with the same shyt. And maybe u know a madea…thats great…wonderful. Some of us don’t…and i’m not sayng thats a good or bad thing. My point…there is no diversity in his movies. There predictable as anything. I know what his movie is gonna be about before i see em. yes they end all nicely, and happy, and show u the struggle we go thru….thats nice.
Tyler Perry is reaching a new kind of audience. And it inlcudes more than just us. He is selling to just us anymore. Look in a theatre, and lots of shyte folks are there to see madea…and nuthin else….
I think Spike makes a very valid point about Perry’s style of filmmaking, but he’ll probably be accused of cl*****ism for his views. Not all of us feel that his films speak to “us.” We are a very complex people with a variety of experiences, and I think Spike is advocating for films that show more segments of the rich tapestry of the African American experience. I think there’s more than enough room for more thought-provoking films from black directors.
Speaking of thought-provoking material, I personally was very disheartened to learn that Perry will direct the film adaptation of Ntozake Shange’s “For Colored Girls Who Have Considered Suicide When the Rainbow Is Enuf.” The play covers grave issues confronting black women, from domestic violence to rape, and I do not believe Perry is evolved enough as a director to appropriately handle such an important work. My disappointment is high and my expectations are very low.
Haters are your motivators Tyler!! Spike needs to start back making movies…i loved his as well
In regards to Spike Lee’s movies not exactly being boxoffice titans; obviously Spike made a decision a long time ago that meant his movies were so much more than just attempts to make a lot of money and that is why he does not allow a few dollars to get in the way of his overall message. My hat goes off to any man who decides to accept less money in order to educate and bring awareness to causes that are dear to him and should be just as important to all black folk.
chloe
I’ve always said his movies are so elementary. I mean you can figure out the entire movie in the first 5 mins. Not deep, they dont make you think, they just rob you of necessary brain cells. Thats about it.
lakeshow
I was just about to comment EXACTLY what you just said. It means even more when he can make them not for the money, but for the substance. I’ve supported ALL of his movies, because there’s a bigger picture there. I feel he’s not all about the money. He has acquired enough money in his career where he can give back in his films.
There is a major differnce. I find his way of doing much more merited and respected.
I also agree with Spike that we do appear to be sliding “backwards,” as if we have become our own minstrel show. More and more, I’m seeing symbols of our self-humiliation in popular culture and in real life.
As an aside, I was shocked to read in a historical book yesterday that the practice of placing gold or silver caps on teeth actually originated during slavery as a form of identification for slaveowners — You can look at a replay of the BET Awards and see this sort of voluntary “adornment” on a number of performers.
My, how things have changed (not).
da hell? them two was sitting rightnext to each other at mj’s funeral. i would know, i was right behind kobe. wtf? spike just mad cuz he short, tyler just mad cuz um…he tall? smh can’t we fight about something else like kobe vs shaq?
why does everything has to be REAl. Its only movies people!! Stop over *****izing everything!!!
Spike needs to…..”SHUT TO THE HELL UP!” (in my Madea voice). Can’t wait to check out the new play “Laugh To Keep From Crying”….Tyler always has some good ***** going on….do what u do Tyler because the majority loves it!!
Hey, at least Tyler Perry is keeping a large number of black and minority actors and production *****istants employed. There is enough room at the top to accomodate everyone…Spike should stay in his lane. Some of his movies did not show blacks in best light. Some people love Tylers movies..some do not…a person can always opt out of watching them.
Two big time black producers should not go at each other in a public forum…we all need to have each others back…be supportive.
@Sydney™ – whats good ?
Hmm what ever happened to the good ol days of Cosby Show n Different World ? Inside Man was a brilliant movie though , have that on shelf…
Hey Txhustla!
I don’t know. . .I loved both The Cosby Show and A Different World. Cliff and Claire were the perfect couple.
Hell If spike lee wants to see a different variety of black people other than those portrayed in Tyler’s movies then he needs to get off his ***** and make some more movies. He can’t hate on what Tyler Perry is doing. Isn’t Spike a Film maker??? Do you Spike and don’t worry about what Tyler is doing. Tyler has an audience that enjoys his films. STFU
Did you see “Miracle at St. Anna,” Txhustla? I loved the film, and I would love to do more research into the history of the Buffalo Soldiers.
Spike Lee’s comment reminds me of Jessie Jackson’s comment when Obama became President. Spike is a HATER .. Spike if you want better do it yourself! MINUS Racism! Don’t put this man down for making his bread.
Miracle at St. Anna was brilliant.
whats coonery is being broke because you refuse to find a way to tap intothe market you need to give us the relevance we need. As a people we have been cornered for a long time people telling us what we should like so “the man” will think highly of us.
How about F “the man” and his stereotypes and his money. Obama plays basketball guess he’s a stereo typical black guy…give me a break.
That’s the trick have you so afraid of your own likes and dislikes that you’ll either conform or go all the way left. Let’s be ourselve, be educated, and be supportive of eachother. Spike should have kept this crap to his self instead of keeping the word coon floating around.
Hell If spike lee wants to see a different variety of black people other than those portrayed in Tyler’s movies then he needs to get off his ***** and make some more movies. He can’t hate on what Tyler Perry is doing. Isn’t Spike a Film maker??? Do you Spike and don’t worry about what Tyler is doing. Tyler has an audience that enjoys his films. STFU. Tyler has his own film studios that is major for a black man. He employees many black actors and actresses which is somthing Hollywood isn’t doing. So quit hating DAMN!!
@Candy Cane
“Miracle at St. Anna was brilliant.”
The ending was so moving to me. I love historical movies that make you think and feel.
@Txhustla
BTW, I think there’s a “Inside Man 2″ in pre-production, according to IMDB.
YNV Me
….do what u do Tyler because the majority loves it!!
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Exactly… the “MAJORITY” loves it.
SMH.
Dave Chapelle was on Oprah and he pointed out that Hollywood puts the majority of black actors in dresses to dehumanize and emasculate them.
They insisted that he do it and he refused -
think about it?
Spike Lee is Correct and his movies prove the points that he wants to make. Tyler Perry is correct also, and his movies insert the points that he wants to make. The people in Tyler Perry’s movies do exist, and he does integrate his beliefs and morals into his movies…and does a great job of it. You don’t see Steven Spielberg bashing Scorcese etc. They each do their own thing, hence the variety of movies/tv shows that we can watch as we prefer. There’s no need for Spike to put down Perry’ work. Where has Spike been? Is it just anger that Perry is in the forefront? Don’t be jealous/don’t hate…Spike your work is great too…shut up and make another movie! I’ll go see it, and Perry’s movies too!!!! You’re two beautiful, intelligent black men and I Love you both! Do the Right Thing Spike! Shut up and make your own movies!!
Spike Lee needs to stop.
I am so sick of people hating on one another, everyone has there own style of telling a story, instead of being so critical about ***** become a team a full force, instead of downing someone else success, spike lee movies was not always about someone being successful, and Tyler movies to me touch base on all people lifes, whether they are a hooker on the street or they are a doctor with marital problems or abusive girlfriend, I am not tired of him, he is new and fresh. Stop hating and congradulate! If you feel this way Spike come out with a movie of your own, what you trying to do shut auh brother down! STOP IT!!!
“Dave Chapelle was on Oprah and he pointed out that Hollywood puts the majority of black actors in dresses to dehumanize and emasculate them.”
That’s not surprising — If a black man is dehumanized and emasculated, he’s less “threatening.” This is a pattern that has been repeated throughout history. The only difference now is that we are willingly parti*****ting in our own humiliation. We are complicit in our degradation.
Did you see “Miracle at St. Anna,” Txhustla? I loved the film, and I would love to do more research into the history of the Buffalo Soldiers.
Yeah of course in our military family we always have alot of those flicks , my old man is military history nut. We have alot of stuff on the buffalo soliders, as well as a museum here for them as they of course were active in these parts with the wars against the Native Americans/latter part post civil war. There is some good books and some resources online, I recommend checking it out..
@sydney I don’t think we’re going backwards AT ALL. More and more of us are going to college and trade schools and we are entering feilds that we would never had before. Progress is not overnight and wealth is built over generations. Alot of our people a making in roads for the wealthy children that will be born and succeed.
What binds us from faster progress is those who constantly compare 2009 to 1869. We are not slaves nor could we feel their struggle as that was not our fight we have to continue the fight. There’s a freedom that comes with being yourself with out people looking down on you. You make changes because you want to and not because you don’t want to be seen as that black guy.
As a people we’re moving slow but we’re doing a great job.
@ Sydney™ – You can see the difference with Chappelle too, always loved him. His recent standup he did at the Laugh Factory was nuts as usual, he gets to do it on his own terms..
lol @ HF
I see why I’m usually the “odd ball”. I understand and appreciate myself and others for not being the “majority”.
How about this Tyler Perry:
“Madea opens a book”
So I guess Robin williams felt Humiliated and the guy who played tootsie and all thw white SNL people. Men have been playing women for THOUSANDS OF YEARS while it is a trend with black actors HUmiliation is a internal feeling and if they felt that way they shouldn’t have done it.
Once again a way to stop us by telling us how we should feel lets suuport and be happy for eachother so we can have the money and the pull to show an array.
Through his first black owned movie production comapny Tyler Perry Has made movies with substance that do not include dressing as a woman Why did I get married, Daddies little Girls, and others
***** Spike Lee! It’s just comedy! Spike has always thought he was blacker then everybody! He just want to be the only black director in Hollywood. If he is so black why did he marry the lightest skinned black women he could find?
@ Mrs B. I totally agree
“they of course were active in these parts with the wars against the Native Americans”
Yeah, that wasn’t exactly the most proudest moment in their (The Bufflalo Soldiers’) history, considering it was the Native Americans who gave a lot of runaway slaves refuge from their slave masters.
lol, if Spike wanted to be the only black director in Hollywood, why didnt he ever have anything against John Singleton?
There are PLENTY of black women lighter complected than Spike lee’s wife. Black culture isnt defined by your skin tone anyway. Just ask Angela Davis!
Candy Cane
lol @ HF
I see why I’m usually the “odd ball”. I understand and appreciate myself and others for not being the “majority”.
How about this Tyler Perry:
“Madea opens a book”
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That’s what’s known as thinking 4 yourself. Perry’s movies r generally written 4 people with short-attention spans. Script is terrible, characters r 1-dimentional and stereotypical…and oh, yes… there’s a black man in drag 4 us 2 laugh at.
Yet because he employs black people means I’m supposed 2 drink the kool-aid?
BZZT.
When Tyler makes a Do The Right Thing, a School Daze, or a Malcolm X, THEN I’ll take him seriously. Til then…
Some native americans were slaves masters too. Not all of them were helping us.
Never understood the fascianation with some blacks screaming “I got indian in my family”.. might wanna find out how so, first. lol
Black culture isnt defined by your skin tone anyway. Just ask Angela Davis!
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MMMmmmmm Angela Davis… sigh…..
@HF
In retrospect, I dont think You or I will be holding our breathe waiting on that “till then” …. lol
Tyler Perry is really good at telling one story. they story of a sexually, physicaly abused person who overcomes through Prayor, humor, and self empowerment. This is his real life story. In my opinion he is stuck, all these movies are the same basic story. Now it is time for him to open up to new ideas and storylines.
I can’t watch the TV shows they do a painful amount of cooning and are short versions of the same story he is always telling.
But to be honest, Spike Lee is a lil toad who did his fair share of cooning, *****kery, and nonsense in his own films. Mookie please! Pot and the Kettle
HF
that was referring to the old Afro wearing Angela!
Black people are black peoples worst enemies. For Tyler Perry wasn’t given anything by anyone. That he happens to be black doesn’t have to handicap his views, creativity and career. His movies are made to make people laugh and also uplift and give people hope.
Spike Lee is a washed up has been, who is no longer relevant and need to attack another successful Black man to gain few hit on the internet which is a shame.
Why can’t we have Tyler Perry do his funny comedy thing and spike lee do his controversial serious thing?
Candy Cane
That still doesn’t negate the fact they did give refuge to more than they “allegedly” enslaved. Btw, the Native Americans were the original slaves, but since they were also indigenous, the whites spent more time and effort trying to find them after they escaped. That’s one of the reasons they decided to raid Africa for slaves.
I have never felt “uplifted” watching a Tyler Perry.
I have laughed, empathized, understood, and cried while watching a Spike Lee joint. sometimes all within the same movie.
hmmmmmm………
while watching tyler perry I usually have alot of “smh” moments.
I dont think blacks would have such a chip on their soldier about their portrayals in Hollywood if the picture in real life wasnt largely negative.
There is nothing “alleged” about native americans owing african slaves.
I LOVE Madea & Mr. Brown, they are so funny, and I agree with Bossip, if they were to make a film together, that would be a great film, just because the BOTH of them are very talented in what they do, but I believe that Spike Lee need to stop hatin on Tyler, because I love Tyler Perry’s House of Payne, it’s one of my favorite shows.
It’s funny how some people commenting on this joint think that it’s coonery but they be the first one’s in to run out and be pressed to see TP movies. No one seemed to had a problem with Eddie Murphy going out and doing the Nutty Professor and all those other comical movies. It’s just comedy will a little twist of drama. People should be thankful that African American’s are having a chance to get movies more commercialized because that opportunity wasn’t available as much back in the day.
y he gotta b coonin,just bcuz he is not a hate monger like spike we need to stop hatin on each other and work 2gether
Candy Cane
HF
that was referring to the old Afro wearing Angela!
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MMMMMmmmmmmm!!!!!! So was I… sigh…
HF
lol, gotcha!
@Candy Cane,
There is no alleged about African Americans owning African American slaves. Big deal.
I knew it was only a matter of time when Spike Lee would show his true colors. Spike Lee is hating on Tyler Perry because he’s been in the movie game for a short period of time and is already a BILLIONAIRE. Spike, on the other hand, has been in the game for over 20 years and has absolutely nothing to show for it. Now, he’s imitated Tyler’s swag and is trying to get into plays and is upset because he’s not successful. Question: Since when was that Tyler’s problem?
@Eshaneua
Spike lee has been in the game for over 20 yrs. Are you sure he has NOTHING to show for it?
tad bit exaggaration dont you think?!
notice how they Tyler Perry haters spell their words correctly and construct actual sentences.
While the Perry lovers can’t spell or punctuate correctly?
The real divide here is cl*****. Ghetto ***** people don’t mind seeing a grown black man in a dress or loud ignorant coonery. They think it’s “normal”.
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@Professor X
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
kigali, im sorry but you will not use me to boost up bossip ratings.
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@ Marquis de Sade – Haha very true , I think alot folk oversee that part as well or the fact that the US army basically gave the soldiers essentially that *****ignment no different than them sending us to front lines in many other later conflicts. I personally trip more of the fact that slavery is still going on to this day for alot people its out sight out of mind , they think it was all resolved with the eman*****tion proclamation.
Candy Cane
LOL! In comparison to Tyler Perry, yes, Spike doesn’t have that much to show for it.
Marquis
— see my comment to Kigali at 1:40. that goes for you too.
bait not accepted from you either.
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This is very sad, clearly here we have a time where there is hate in the air from one person to another for no apparent reason. I am a fan of both movie producers, more recently TP because Spike’s stuff has not been that hardcore “Wake-Up” stuff it once was. Both are doing the same things, but TP is better at easing the message to individuals. (Yes I agree with hard messages, but everyone cant take that) Come on people, for one to call TP characters coonery is not good, sometimes highly exaggerated is better to say, because Medea’s are out there. (Just because you don’t see any does not mean anything) I asked, where was the ruckus when Spike Lee directed the movies “She hates me” (A Black Man Having Sex with Women for money) or his lastest movie (Miracle at St. Anna) which was a disaster, allowing Black Veterans to look like undisciplined soldiers fighting over white women and more. Both are human, so neither one will be able to deliver every time, but give them credit for what they have did with their approaches. They have influence somebody to do better. TP approach in church is to get you hyped about God and did collect your money and tell you what it is going to. Spike’s is to collect the money, tell you what it is going to, than get you hyped about God. Both doing the same thing.
The sad thing about this is everyone is quick to criticize, but are not doing anything in their community, have not created an approach for themselves. If you don’t agree with either one of them, this is your time to shine.
Stop cursing and show that you know how to present a point in a well mannered way. This is the problem they are fighting now. Don’t let anything divide us, see the positive in everything. Come on people Wake Up…..
Txhustla15
Yeah, I guess in a certain way, we’re all indentured slaves in one way or the other…And considering the current economic climate where the middle cl***** is pretty much non-existent due to unemployment or looming unemployment and credit card dept, we’re all doomed to be a buncha’ TOBYS’ and SALLYS’.
how dare Spike Lee make a comment about Madea and Tyler Perry’s movies. When was the last time that one of Spike Lee’s movie’s came out, and made several millions the first week? Where is Spike Lee’s movie studio? where are the Spike Lee successful plays that became successful movies? *****k of Spike. you are barking up the wrong tree now.
@Marquis de Sade – Haha yeah that too, I was more on the watch of what ive been seeing recently with alot of our african brothers being held in a form of slavery out of africa with alot of the crime syndicates and the new global business of counterfeiting that has become more profitable for some even more than drugs – Seen a good piece on that on PBS. In Texas they have problem with alot of the women/children being smuggled and held here as slaves/sex slaves and seeing how the cartels are running rampant down here not alot of people or going after them or making effort. Lol with the damn balloon boy as usual in our media alot of real things arent seeing the light of day…
Candy Cane
LOL! It wasn’t meant as bait, but as fact! Tyler can finance and greenlight his own projects independantly and with the partnership of Lions Gate to handle the distribution and co-finance the marketing, he is well on his way to becoming the first billionaire movie mogul. Spike on the otherhand is at the mercy of any studio who’s willing to finance, market and distribute his projects at a (probable) loss, and(or) TAX WRITE-OFF.
Let Mr. Tyler Perry keep doing his thing, there’s room for different types of entertainment. Apparently someone likes his movies and TV shows, because the man has become wealthy. Anyone remember the three stooges, was’nt anything that deep about them but they were funny, used to laugh my a** off. lol
There goes the cl*****ic McDonalds Defense again:
It makes money, so there4 it’s good.
“Billions and Billions served” at Mickey D’s don’t make it a 5-star restaurant. Apply that 2 Beyonce’s record sales while we’re at it.
COONERY AND BUFFOONERY IS BLACK PEOPLE DISSING OTHER BLACK PEOPLE.
CHILLAX SPIKE. DONT HATE CAUSE TYLER STUFF IS IN THE NOW.
ITS A FRICKING MOVIE. DO YOU SAY ANYTHING TO SCORCESE AND YOUR OTHER BUDS FOR THEIR GANGSTA FLICS AND THEIR INFLUENCE ON TODAYS HIP HOP WANNABE THUGS….I THINK NOT
BUT IT’S YOUR OPINIONA ND YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO SAY WHAT YOU WANNA SAY. AND TYLER HAS THE RIGHT TO DO THE SAME, THRU HIS MOVIES.
Meet the Coons or House of Coonery.
WE HAVE GUTTER TRASH WHITE PEOPLE TOO, BUT GUESS WHAT YOU DON’T SEE THEM ON TV, AM I RIGHT!
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@MagMile & vallery
LMAO & SMH…
Txhustla15
Yeah, that plus what’s goin’ on in Somalia with exploitation of using them as pirates/henchmen while jacking cargo ships. I tell ya’, greed and death seems to be par the course.
@ Cabdy Cane
Kudos to you my sista
@HF
That was perfect!!! The only thing “successful” about Tyler Perry is his so called income. Well success isnt defined that way to me. Some of the dumbest people are rich. Your self worth should not be for sale or weighed like money.
Apparently if Spike wanted to distribute minstrel television he could have ages ago. But he chose to follow his own path. I dont agree with people just because they have x-amount of money. I feel thats a MAJOR problem in society today.
McDonalds *****ogy was nothing short of blissfully brilliant! lol
I love Mr Brown he is my modern day Fred Sanford!
Yes, Im bored with the theme of Tyler perry movies
except the Family that Preys was just awesome. However my brother Spike Lee should have picked up
the phone and called TP to express his thoughts instead of being a Willie Lynch Negro!
“HF
There goes the cl*****ic McDonalds Defense again:
It makes money, so there4 it’s good.
“Billions and Billions served” at Mickey D’s don’t make it a 5-star restaurant. Apply that 2 Beyonce’s record sales while we’re at it.”
I’m not implying that Tyler’s product is good or bad, it’s like what most of you detractors has stated before: “BLACKS ARE COMPLEX AND HAVE DIFFERENT TASTES”, and as such, you have the right to voice your dissent with your wallets or purses by not patronizing his movies. I’m not a big fan of Tyler’s movies either, with the exception of “WHY DID I GET MARRIED”…But on the same token, I find it “ELITIST” to berate anyone who’s a fan of his product. At the end, there’s room for everyone’s *****.
Thank you lakeshow!
Candy Cane
@HF
That was perfect!!! The only thing “successful” about Tyler Perry is his so called income. Well success isnt defined that way to me. Some of the dumbest people are rich. Your self worth should not be for sale or weighed like money.
Apparently if Spike wanted to distribute minstrel television he could have ages ago. But he chose to follow his own path. I dont agree with people just because they have x-amount of money. I feel thats a MAJOR problem in society today.
McDonalds *****ogy was nothing short of blissfully brilliant! lol
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You’re talking about a LEGACY.
God forbid this, but if Spike & Tyler were 2 drop dead right now, who would b noted 4 making more MONEY and who would b noted 4 his filmaking LEGACY?
In the film “Madea Goes To Jail” there was a part in the film where they were having group therapy with the female prisoners. One woman was talking about how her father abused her and it was his fault she was jacked up and in jail.
Well, Madea went on to say that she couldn’t blame him. It was her fault she was in jail and leading a destructive life. She went on to add that we have to forgive people for our own peace of mind.
The reason I bring this up is because Madea has spit out a lot of common sense and wisdom in these films. Madea’s character isn’t even religious. She smokes weed and didn’t know who her baby daddy was (Cora is the daughter of Brown and Madea).
You mean to tell me not ONE of you *****s know and/or heard of someone like this?!?!? Stop lying.
Black folk are the only nimrods who go around caring what “white folk think”. They have bad, stereotypical movies as well and they don’t go around thinking it depicts the whole freaking race.
And by the way, the white population in this country is rapidly declining. The Hispanic and Latino population is going to be the majority by 2050. I guess when they take over some of you tired ***** *****s are going to care what they think.
Damn, *****s read a book!!!!!!!!
As long as tyler puppets were calling anyone with a counter opinion a “hater” there was nothing. But as soon as a spike empathizer steps in, now here comes a debate.
shoot me for liking progressive programming.
Marquis de Sade
“HF
There goes the cl*****ic McDonalds Defense again:
It makes money, so there4 it’s good.
“Billions and Billions served” at Mickey D’s don’t make it a 5-star restaurant. Apply that 2 Beyonce’s record sales while we’re at it.”
I’m not implying that Tyler’s product is good or bad, it’s like what most of you detractors has stated before: “BLACKS ARE COMPLEX AND HAVE DIFFERENT TASTES”, and as such, you have the right to voice your dissent with your wallets or purses by not patronizing his movies. I’m not a big fan of Tyler’s movies either, with the exception of “WHY DID I GET MARRIED”…But on the same token, I find it “ELITIST” to berate anyone who’s a fan of his product. At the end, there’s room for everyone’s *****.
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U got me wrong, Marquise.
I’m not berating those who like Tyler’s films…I’m berating TYLER.
HF
exactly! A legacy will remain forever. Money aka our legal tender will depreciate, be taxed and be taken and change every day.
There really is no contest. And lets face it, the only reason tyler perry is “*****ed” is because the truth hurts. God forbid Spike wakes up a few people!
@Candy Cane
Dont be so *****ing paranoid. There isnt any one ethnic group, including blacks in this country who didnt have a black slave. No need to get all bent out of shape.
HF
“You’re talking about a LEGACY.
God forbid this, but if Spike & Tyler were 2 drop dead right now, who would b noted 4 making more MONEY and who would b noted 4 his filmaking LEGACY?”
…And what legacy is that? There’s nothing groundbreaking about Spike’s or Tyler’s movie making skills…Spike still has that annoying habit of falling back on those old “FILM STUDENT” tricks, like those unnecessary close-ups and putting his actors on a portable tram, and his ill use of his signature blaring film scores drowning and distracting from the dialog. I think most people who’re enamored of Spike’s oovre was told that it’s hip and black to like his *****. The Hughes Brothers and Charles Burnett are far more superior than Spike and Tyler put together.
i have seen many of Spike’s joints as well as Tyler’s. Each shows what they perceive as different aspects of Black life and the way the charecters respond to life’s challenges based on their upbringing, experiences and current cir*****stances. Some of Tyler’s charecters are over the top.But what was the Mars Blackmon charecter? Spike can be very handed with his message, so can Tyler. For me I’ll continue to enjoy both of the African American auteurs becaause i love films and i LOVE Black films.
Candy Cane, can you suck just a little more ***** out of Spike’s *****. Jeezzz, you’d swear you’d benefit from ***** kissing. I bet you got your ***** whooped in school and was overjoyed to have this avenue to spew your *****. I bet you can give a lap dance on your mouth.
HF
“Billions and Billions served” at Mickey D’s don’t make it a 5-star restaurant. Apply that 2 Beyonce’s record sales while we’re at it.”
Uhhh, that is berating in a not so subtle backhanded way. Trust!
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How does Spike Lee have a point when he has had coon-like characters in his own films? he has EVEN played some of them himself! if Madea and other Tyler Perry characters are coons, then Lee needs to own up to his own buffoonery as well. at least a Tyler Perry film has never had something like “Da butt” (from Lee’s “School Daze”) on its soundtrack. if we are really being honest, that ***** was worse than any tap dancing you could ever see. Has Lee ever spoken out on Flavor Flav, who contributed to “Fight the Power” from “Do the Right Thing?” Flavor Flav has done more to embarr***** our people than every Tyler Perry film, play and tv show put together!
Spike Lee really has nothing to say. He has always been an uppity Negro who fails to support his own fellow filmmakers when they get larger and/or more relevant than himself (or are simply perceived as such). it’s sad. Lee should just continue to do what he does, and stop sweating what the next man does. You are not God! You’re just ONE little aging and bitter filmmaker with a dwindling following.
Why do we even get so caught up in this? We’ve been doing it since the days of “Amos & Andy.” We are not all the same. Just like everyone else, we have a wide array of personalities and viewpoints. We are the worst when it comes to this sort of thing. We don’t allow each other to live and express ourselves AS WE ARE. It’s the same reason we’re still so hung up good hair/bad hair, light vs. dark, sexual identity and all this other stuff. just DO YOU already. if you feel like someone is cooning or embarr*****ing “the race,” your job is not to judge them, but to look inwardly and ensure that you are doing what YOU’RE supposed to be doing to represent. In most cases, you’ll find that you’re just as guilty.
Ma to the Dea
I will not discuss anything with some ignorant person throwing out lewd, insulting,degrading remarks. You wanna debate fine, but wait until you get out of pre-school to do so.
I agree with Spike. I wish people would just stop going to see those Tyler Perry movies.
Marquis de Sade
HF
“You’re talking about a LEGACY.
God forbid this, but if Spike & Tyler were 2 drop dead right now, who would b noted 4 making more MONEY and who would b noted 4 his filmaking LEGACY?”
…And what legacy is that? There’s nothing groundbreaking about Spike’s or Tyler’s movie making skills…Spike still has that annoying habit of falling back on those old “FILM STUDENT” tricks, like those unnecessary close-ups and putting his actors on a portable tram, and his ill use of his signature blaring film scores drowning and distracting from the dialog. I think most people who’re enamored of Spike’s oovre was told that it’s hip and black to like his *****. The Hughes Brothers and Charles Burnett are far more superior than Spike and Tyler put together.
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Meh, Do The Right Thing, Malcolm X, Bamboozled, et al was made DESPITE Hollyweird’s non-*****istance. There’s a reason 4 that… and it ain’t because Spike OR his characters were “disarming.”
I have no issue with Tyler making his men in drag/black buffoon films and tv shows. I have an issue when that’s ALL h does because he believes this represents black people and what we want 2 c.
That, and his screenplays seem like they were written by mid-schoolers…
I actually think SOME of the Madea stuff is funny but Spike is absolutely right. Tyler’s movies are a prime example of Spike’s movie Bamboozled.
Spike is right, Tyler stuff especially tv is coonery. And not funny coonery either.
Ef Spike.
Marquis de Sade
HF
“Billions and Billions served” at Mickey D’s don’t make it a 5-star restaurant. Apply that 2 Beyonce’s record sales while we’re at it.”
Uhhh, that is berating in a not so subtle backhanded way. Trust!
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BZZT.
That’s NOT my take on people who like Tyler Perry’s movies. Spend ya money any way u want!
However, it IS my take on people who use ticket sales as some kind of qualitative measurement.
BZZZT.
What’s their point? Milli Vanilli sold millions 2!
Spike Lee is a HATER – Part I
Spike Lee is an ANGRY BLACK MAN!
Spike Lee has the SHORT MAN’S COMPLEX!
Spike Lee casts mostly light-skinned, long-haired women as leads and protagonists in his movies.
Spike Lee believes he is the authority on race relations and cultural criticism.
Spike Lee can call Tyler Perry anything that he wants to, but when the next Madea comes out, black folks will be there–including me.
TYLER PERRY = BLACK GHETTO COMEDY!
BLACK GHETTO COMEDY comes from the hood. Everybody ain’t grow up bourghetto like Chris Rock and Spike Lee. Escapism is what I’m looking for in a lot of entertainment. When folks turn on reruns of Good Times, Sanford and Son, and The Wayans Bros., they’re not looking for an intellectual experience with politically correct representations of African-Americans, I’m looking for entertainment and humor.
If you want to define coonery, then take a look at Chris Rock’s stand up routines, and his latest rolling hairball. He’s making fun of Black people at Black people for White people. If his daughters came out looking like what he intended them to look like—like his light-skinned, weave-wearing wife—then he would have never made his do*****entary expose. For all the years that Chris Rock has been attracted to the light-skinned, “good-haired” sisters, he never felt our plight until the two little girls that he lives for, had to begin enduring what sistahs have been talking about for years. Chris Rock wanted to expose our hair weaves, nappy hair secrets, and “good” hair insecurities to make his girls feel better about themselves. “Look babies, daddy gone show dem black women… Makin’ my babies feel bad ‘bout demselves… Watch babies… Daddy’s gone expose them… I’ll show them (at the expense of Black women)… Daddy’s gone redefine beauty… Daddy’s gone make a do*****entary! Look at these simple, poor women, paying $2,000 for weaves and they work at the grocery store… All that hair ain’t even their real hair… See, they ain’t got no good hair… They puttin’ kiddie perms on them kids’ hair… See it ain’t real… They stupid… Getting hair from India and puttin’ it on their head…
Was that do*****entary for us or for his children?
It’s not that serious. Maybe spike wouldn’t criticize if tyler had people floating around the show like spike does in all his films.
spike needs to his to troll looking ***** down somewhere..he’s getting the message across & that’s what counts..
it’s no different than the rednecks on some tv shows and movies….they poke fun at the different aspects of their culture and we should be able to do the same. white people know that not all white families are like the Cleaver’s and not all black families are like the Cosby’s. Spike is too serious about EVERYTHING. He seems like one of those people you can’t talk to because he has to make an issue out of everything….Kind of like Africans. Try to have a conversation with an African and they’ll try to turn everything you say into something to make you feel stupid.
Spike Lee is a HATER – Part II
Spike Lee is a chauvenistic angry black-man-hypocrite. After he hated on Steven Spielburg’s, “Color Purple,” I was done with him. He feels that his word is bond and it isn’t. Some of those stupid movies that he has produced, trying TOO hard to be deep, but all the while perpetuating the same stereotypes that he is speaking against, and trying to come up with signature cinematic styles with unintelligible angle lenses and all sorts of weird stuff, turned me off long time ago. Spike uses his platform to show off his edumacation, his “depth” of knowledge, show off his “multifaceted” talent, and his intellectural black side and his connection with the black bourgeois, jazz-loving, college-educated dark-skinned brush and light-skinned and mixed sistuhs… Spike is a narcissist who uses black folks to show off his pseudo-intellectualism. Calling out Tyler’s writing as coonery is insulting all of those who love him.
Yeah, we laughin’. “Cause it’s funny as hell.
In the GHETTO, there is:
LOVE, COMEDY, TRAGEDY, INTELLECT, STUPIDITY, ENTERTAINMENT, GOODNESS, ADVERSITY, HOPE, and FAITH
And it ain’t nothin’ wrong with that. Black folks are multifaceted. We like the Cosbys, the Jeffersons, the Evans, and the Browns. It’s all good. I know a Brown, I know a Madea, and I got some heavy-set aunties…
Being a successful product of, what some would view as, the ghetto, I find it heartwarming when I see other black people from the hood (remember Tyler was homeless) become famous and rich for celebrating–WITH us–our culture, including our quirks. I loved seeing Tommy the Clown (Thomas Johnson) make a name for himself and for “clownin’” and “crunkin’” nationally after he paid his dues in the hood, rollin’ down Slauson, goin’ to ghetto parties in the hood. As soon as the kids heard the boomin’ system comin’ down the street, they get hyped and run out to the car. Tommy and his dancers brought comic relief, laughter, comedy, and dance to birthday parties in the hood. Is that coonery? It’s real life in the hood. Just plain old good times. White folks called a party planner, black folks paged Tommy. We love it.
I agree with Ayesha. I don’t always wanna have to think about what i am watching, sometimes i wanna just be entertained. My only issue with tyler perry is the recycling of stories in his movies and tv shows.
HF
“Do The Right Thing, Malcolm X, Bamboozled”
Actually those movies were done with Hollywierd’s partial *****istance. In the case of Malcolm X, Warners put up the initial 30 million, Spike felt he needed 10 million more, so he went to outside sources, suchas Bill Cosby, Oprah, Magic Johnson and few others. The movie still under performed, though. Bamboozled was also partially financed, and fully marketed and distributed by Newline, and failed at the B.O.
…And Tyler never said his characters represent all of Black America, but a Section of Black America…And according to his sizable B.O. returns, it’s evident a large portion of Black America wants to see his product. Can the same be said for Spike and his “ANEMIC” B.O. returns for his product?
I actually think SOME of the Madea stuff is funny but Spike is absolutely right. Tyler’s movies are a prime example of Spike’s movie Bamboozled.
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AGREED….SPIKE IS RIGHT
Can’t we have both? Because there are so few of us making films, people feel it has to be one or the other of us. Spike always sounds a bit frustrated and, of course, he is jealous out of his brains. Tyler is THE MAN and we LOVE Medea in all of her glory because we ALL have a relative who is just like her. Spike has an ego that could swallow up the universe and it ain’t gettin’ no play…sorry Spike, if you would stop *****ing over everybody you might find some love (he even made an ignorant comment about Clint Eastwood not putting blacks in some movie and Clint felt that historically there had been no Blacks in that particular event. Clint is known for employing Black actors and all nationalities. He made “Bird” about Charlie Parker). Tyler Perry is lovable, easy to work with, fun, serious, concerned about the community and his subject matter concerns ALL of our communities. He portrays us in every walk of life. If we had to wait for Spike to come up with a movie and then dance around his ego until it finally comes to the cinema, we would never see a Black film. TYLER PERRY YOU ARE THE BOMB!!! KEEP MAKING MOVIES, ALLLLLL KIND OF MOVIES AND THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU!!
@Marquis de Sade
“I’m not implying that Tyler’s product is good or bad, it’s like what most of you detractors has stated before: “BLACKS ARE COMPLEX AND HAVE DIFFERENT TASTES”, and as such, you have the right to voice your dissent with your wallets or purses by not patronizing his movies. I’m not a big fan of Tyler’s movies either, with the exception of “WHY DID I GET MARRIED”…But on the same token, I find it “ELITIST” to berate anyone who’s a fan of his product. At the end, there’s room for everyone’s *****.”
I agree 100%. Tyler Perry is making films for a niche to which he feels a strong kinship. And his films obviously resonate strongly with his fans that turn out consistently to see them. No, quantity does not always equal quality. But having the power to draw big box office numbers has given him a platform do what what HE wants, and a lot of those things are GOOD, such as hiring black talent and donating money to worthy causes. Perhaps he will inspire others to find THEIR own niche and share their viewpoint.
I love Spike, but hell, at least TP puts Black women in his movies. Spike act like all the rest of the Black men in America always dyin’ to put a Puetro Rican in his pics instead of a Black woman. IDK…Spike, I think you should just fall back on this one.
HF
“What’s their point? Milli Vanilli sold millions 2!”
I don’t get your anecdote. Are implying that the quality of Milli Vanilli’s music is less because it was revealed they didn’t do the actual singing? How does that take away from the quality of the actual songs? Btw, their cd sold over 7 million units.
“I don’t always wanna have to think about what i am watching, sometimes i wanna just be entertained.”
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wow & smh
Being dummed down is suppose to be a bad thing. *
So Whats that problem Spike?
Tyler is putting out good movies that the whole family can go see toghether and everyone understands whats going on. In a “SPIKE LEE JOINT” The kids have to stay home b/c of nipples and killing (do the right thang) or crazy sex (skool daze). I like Spikes work but I think he’s complaining about the wrong thing… go on this new fangled rap and telivision like everyone else
And how is Tyler setting black people back?
Its Coonery, y would ppl need “bait” to come see your film?!?! U dont have to dumb it down for your community Mr Perry
All these ppl saying Spike is jealous GTFOH, dude is spiting straight knowledge, he’s the one who broke barriers so Tyler’s ***** could even work in the industry, Tyler playing ya’ll like ya’ll stupid and got us looking bad on film casue at the end of the day ppl remember Madea and Brown acting a fool and not the message of the movie
Tyler Perry has a role for just about everyone. The crackhead, the doctor, the lawyer, the police officer, the dead beat dad, the prostitute, etc….but I think that the roles are reaistic in our communitities and spike lee is hatin. not all black movies can be like the cosby show.
i SECOND ayesha….ditto ditto ditto!
we are all african american people, lets support each other! and if u dont have anythang nice to say about yo brotha/sista den SHUT DA F UP! say all the bad stuff behind closed doors or on bossip
… stop going to dese HONKEYS talking about each other!
those HONKEYS got sterotypes too!
Is this the same Spike Lee who said that black women are w*****s (she’s gotta have it). Who said that doin the right thing is to bring violence to the black community?? The same Spike Lee who has not had a hit movie in almost thirty years??? Who cares what he says. He really is not relevant to the conversation, he cannot speak on it because he has done nothing worth mentioning in years. When he started out he was edgy, he was relevant. In thirty years he has no where near the money that Tyler has. I personally think that Spike needs to shut his mouth, as he has said nothing of worth to the community. SMH the midget makes a couple of movies and thinks he has the market cornered in terms of community conscieousness
F**K Spike Lee, I will watch anything TP Puts on, open ur eyes stupid. Every show has a message, so he creates awareness through laughter, what’s wrong with that. Hating on Tyler Perry aint gonna get u another hit Spinke (aint done ***** in ages) Lee!!!
@Ayesha
Bull*****. There is nothing multifacted about black folks. Spike Lee makes better movies than Tyler Perry. This is a cl***** issue as stated by Professor X.
“Spike uses his platform to show off his edumacation, his “depth” of knowledge, show off his “multifaceted” talent, and his intellectural black side and his connection with the black bourgeois, jazz-loving, college-educated dark-skinned brush and light-skinned and mixed sistuhs…”
Ah, did any of you ignorant *****holes see Crooklyn?
Whoever writes Tyler Perry movies should be *****ing shot.
“Candy Cane
“I don’t always wanna have to think about what i am watching, sometimes i wanna just be entertained.”
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wow & smh
Being dummed down is suppose to be a bad thing. *”
I guess you feel the same way re: JIM CARREY, ADAM SANDLER, EDDIE MURPHY or all of MICHEAL BAY’s oovre?
If every movie had to adhere to you pseudo-elitist intellectualism, then Hollywood would’ve went bankrupt a long time ago. If you want those qualities in all of your movies, may I suggest you stay home and look at BBC’s MASTERPIECE THEATER for free.
Spike Lee is hating!! I love both of them, but spike lee was the oene who introduced me to black violence seeing people drug dealing and *****. Sit down Sike just because Tyler is banking you should be happy a black man is banking, and trying to work with him!
Not ALL black fokes want to change their culture 100% all the time, and what I love about black folks is that we have our professional side, and our full blown black heritage side, and most of us embrace both! As for “coonery” or whatever, people like that put food in YOUR mouth, so don’t try to diss them now!
I have a question, I know Tyler Perry has the right to make a movie about whatever, But why is it we don’t see white people being degraded on T.V. is it a rule or what, I think it is a rule?
I hope white folks in Hollywood catch on to Tyler Perry’s genius and start making the same movies. Lets see how you guys will defend it. When they did in the 1970s, it was called blaxploitation.
…And Tyler never said his characters represent all of Black America, but a Section of Black America…And according to his sizable B.O. returns, it’s evident a large portion of Black America wants to see his product. Can the same be said for Spike and his “ANEMIC” B.O. returns for his product?
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Tyler Perry’s “sizeable B.O. returns” r NOT due simply 2 black patronage. If he had NOTHING but black movie-goes 2 rely on, then Diary of a mad black woman would still b just a play.
THAT’S why he won’t change up the script. And y won’t he?
He’s got a MINORITY audience that generally has no problems with his simple scripts and weak, stereotypical characters. (hey… ALL black people know at least ONE… right?)
He’s got a MAJORITY audience that generally finds these throwback minstrel show movies a nostalgic throwback 2 the good-ol’ days when us darkies “knew our place.” The characters r “disarming” and they don’t feel uncomfortable or threatened by them.
I can easily envision an exec all-too-happy 2 distribute Tyler’s garbage.
It makes black people look stupid and makes US money!
@Candy Cane
If you use your brain all day, at work and college then you don’t just come home and watch educational programs all day. I like spike and tylers work but I am not gonna watch either one all day. Do you sit home and watch discovery channel and history channel all day? I don’t think so. Journalist Anderson Cooper says that he reports news all day and when he comes home he watches reality shows which have no educational value. Please think before you judge me.
P.S. how much are you learning sitting here reading bossip? Is this topic enriching your life or enlightening you in any way?
Ben
Well it is “coonery”. That’s the truth of the matter.
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What is a “coon?” A word that white folks made up to try and say that something was wrong with us. If a white man said you smelled gross, you’d believe that too. So how is something “coonery” when that was a bull***** made up word in the first place?
Painting on black faces and drawing big lips and fake booties HATIN’ because they dont have it and NOW they’re tanning, lip injections, and booty shots!
If anybody is a “coon” it’s the people who actually started seeing the blacks as “coons” just cause a white man said it. BI1111tch.
@Marquise De Sade,
I am going to have to disagree with you. There is a way to make movies like Tyler Perry. The writing for his movies are *****. Its ridiculously cliche and says everything we already know about dumb***** black folks. There is clever comedy and then there is lethargic bull*****.
@Silken Dove,
“Painting on black faces and drawing big lips and fake booties HATIN’ because they dont have it and NOW they’re tanning, lip injections, and booty shots!”
Not this ***** again.
@Candy Cane
dummed…Is that a word?
It is altogether possible for :
(a) T.P. to be engaging in “COONERY” (just as are the RHOA, but that’s another thread);
(b) AND… for Spike’s little ***** to be JEALOUS.
It is IMHO, a case where BOTH are true.
“plite
I have a question, I know Tyler Perry has the right to make a movie about whatever, But why is it we don’t see white people being degraded on T.V. is it a rule or what, I think it is a rule?”
Are you kidding? Have you ever heard of Married with Children? I love Lucy? Gilligan’s Island? Green Acres? The Beverly Hillbillies? Malcolm in the Middle? Two and a Half Man?, etc, etc, etc. White people have a “VAST” history and present of “BUFFOONERY” depicted on the apropoS titled “BOOB TUBE”.
Marquis de Sade
HF
“What’s their point? Milli Vanilli sold millions 2!”
I don’t get your anecdote. Are implying that the quality of Milli Vanilli’s music is less because it was revealed they didn’t do the actual singing? How does that take away from the quality of the actual songs? Btw, their cd sold over 7 million units.
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Nope. The INHERENT quality of the music may not b less, but the quality of Milli Vanilli as a MUSICAL ACT was NON-EXISTANT. And 7 million people bought it.
I’ll put it another way…
An expensive hooker serves lots of customers. (makes lots of money)
That doesn’t make her wife material. (AKA high quality)
This idea that some1’s ability 2 generate dollars is directly proportional to it’s quality is a FALLACY.
JOHN
Is this the same Spike Lee who said that black women are w*****s (she’s gotta have it). Who said that doin the right thing is to bring violence to the black community?? The same Spike Lee who has not had a hit movie in almost thirty years??? Who cares what he says. He really is not relevant to the conversation, he cannot speak on it because he has done nothing worth mentioning in years. When he started out he was edgy, he was relevant. In thirty years he has no where near the money that Tyler has. I personally think that Spike needs to shut his mouth, as he has said nothing of worth to the community. SMH the midget makes a couple of movies and thinks he has the market cornered in terms of community conscieousness
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I Knoooooow!
I never thought I’d say this, but Lee leaves a bad taste on my mouth. Lemme go brush my teeth before I throw up.
Kigali
“LETHARGIC” has always been commercial…Hell, Paul Blart: Mall Cop made over $130 million domestically…And why single out Tyler, and not take the Wayan Brothers to task? Aren’t they also guilty of the same “ARTISTIC” transgressions as Tyler?
marquis
whatever. You use the same m.o. all the time. It’s not about debating with you, it’s just about disagreeing with anything someone is saying on purpose. Even if you remotely agreed, you wouldnt be man enough to admit it. You are a natural bred antogziner.
There are plenty of movies that provoke thought and humor. Stop acting oblivious.
I agree with HF, I just dont care for him showing the same characters ALL the time. but I wouldnt expect for you to understand that concept.
@Marquis,
“I guess you feel the same way re: JIM CARREY, ADAM SANDLER, EDDIE MURPHY or all of MICHEAL BAY’s oovre?”
Except when these guys act a fool, Murphy being the exception, they arent seen through a racial gaze. They are acting independent of their white race. When a black person takes a *****, it stinks the whole community. Why? Who the hell knows. Its just the way it is. And as I said, if the community wasnt by and large a cess pool of degredation we wouldnt take these portrayals so seriously. Our negative stereotypes arent benign like the Chinese martial arts, chef or the illegal yet hard working Mexican immigrant.
@ Kigali
There’s a difference between blaxploitation and celebration. Tyler’s movies are in that second category.
HF
“This idea that some1’s ability 2 generate dollars is directly proportional to it’s quality is a FALLACY.”
Your rationale would be legitimate if we were talking about something actually “VIABLE” to ones’ existence, but we’re talking about “ART”, and “ART” like anything “POP CULTURAL” is “SUBJECTIVE”, i.e., your trash is someone elses treasure. This harkens back to my earlier *****essment that you, Candy Cane, and like minded others are being unfairly “ELITIST”.
@Ayesha
The difference between blaxploitation and celebration is semantics. When Steven Speilburg comes out with his Madea character you can celebrate with his ***** too right?
love both of these black men and wish that spike could just agree to disagree. everything black that hits theaters will not meet his approval…………….and that’s okay!
@Marquis
The Wayans havent pretended to be about black comedy. Mall Cop wasnt white Mall Cop. It Tyler Perry did a Mall Cop with a black guy, it would be just as non racial as the white one. Perry specifically characterizes his productions as being black oriented.
@Ebones
“Do you sit home and watch discovery channel and history channel all day? I don’t think so.”
–Actually on many occ*****ion, I have indeed watched discovery channel and history channel without ever reaching for the remote to change.
“how much are you learning sitting here reading bossip? Is this topic enriching your life or enlightening you in any way?”
— I’m taking in alot actually. Alot of it is being reinterated but we all have guilty pleasures at times.
What I dont understand is why you are trying to attack me personally when I directed all of my comments toward TYLER PERRY/ SPIKE LEE… You know the subject of the THREAD.
The thread is not about Candy Cane/Ebones…. please get a hold on your emotions and calm down.
Candy Cane
I’m not acting oblivious. I just find your “ELITISM” unfair and too arbitrary while singling out Tyler Perry as if his efforts will solely bring down the black community, that by y’all oun admission is artistically diversified in its’ tastes and needs. At the end of the day, whether we’re black or white, we’re all individuals and art is subjective.
Will people just leave Tyler alone and let him do his thing? He has a certain market he caters to, and evidently they like it, so leave the man alone. Let him make his money. If he’s not your cup of tea, don’t tune in or pay to see his movies, but don’t judge others because they like it. It’s really that simple.
“Kigali (Female condoms are cheap)
@Marquis
The Wayans havent pretended to be about black comedy. Mall Cop wasnt white Mall Cop. It Tyler Perry did a Mall Cop with a black guy, it would be just as non racial as the white one. Perry specifically characterizes his productions as being black oriented.”
…And Spike doesn’t do the same thing? As an individual, Tyler doesn’t speak for me anymore than Spike does. I just refuse to look at Spike or Tyler’s movies through a “MYOPIC” lens. There’s room for everyones’ P.O.V. when it comes to art. Just because we share the same skin hue, that doesn’t make us some sorta’ BORG COLLECTIVE.
Marquis de Sade
HF
“This idea that some1’s ability 2 generate dollars is directly proportional to it’s quality is a FALLACY.”
Your rationale would be legitimate if we were talking about something actually “VIABLE” to ones’ existence, but we’re talking about “ART”, and “ART” like anything “POP CULTURAL” is “SUBJECTIVE”, i.e., your trash is someone elses treasure. This harkens back to my earlier *****essment that you, Candy Cane, and like minded others are being unfairly “ELITIST”.
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So then, if we agree on art as subjective, then that again proves that *****oby can QUALIFY art based on how much it makes.
As far as the elitist tag goes, well… if wanting 2 c more inclusive depictions of black people in the media makes me an elitist, then so b it.
Hillary said the same thing about Obama.
Spike and all who think like spike wake up here is a stereotype black men going to prison because they thing there is more money in drugs than hard work and education . Young women caring more about baby daddy drama than getting the know how on lifting the next generation to new heights‘. Are did we forget that you grow as a people as our women grow as ladies instead of w*****s and *****es plus play things. Will the real black people please stand up !
give me a break
I think Spike is hating too…because the ***** he was coming out with back and the day, he was trying to do the same thing Tyler is doing, tell a damn story about what he think is going on in life. Stop the black on black hating, because you both are in the same boat. And, so what if he’s gay…hell, he ain’t by his damn self.
Tyler Perry movies doesn’t define who I am as a black women.It’s comedy and that’s how I see it.After you get p***** Madea there are some real life issues that people of color goes through everyday.We do have women who has been raped in college.We do have women who rich lawyer husbands are beating there trophy wives behind close doors.We do have MOTHERS who ignore sexual abuse that is being done to there daughters just to keep the man.We do have herion & crack addicted mothers.We have women who sleep with white men for personal gain.AND WE ALL HAVE THAT ONE FAMILY MEMBER WHO GONNA TELL IT LIKE IT IS….Spike should take the old lifetime saying of if you don’t have anything nice to say don’t say anything at all.What’s more disrepectful???? his opinion of Tylers view of black women or him speaking negatively about a black man to the white folks.They are eating that up because they already don’t like Tyler for not letting hollywood run his show.
Marquis
come on get off the gas. Your “technique” is becoming more and more transparent. The thread is about Tyler Perry being *****ed about Spike’s opinion of his movie making.
If the thread topic was something else I’d be discussing that. I clearly mentioned earlier that spike has never distressed the same sentiments with John Singleton among others.
You may deem his as being jealous. okay, fine. That’s your opinion. no worries at all. Stop trying to pigeon hole the situation Marquis. Just stop it.
HF
“So then, if we agree on art as subjective, then that again proves that *****oby can QUALIFY art based on how much it makes.”
LOL! Actually that’s more your issue than it is mine…Afterall, you made the blanket statement that: “BLACK PEOPLE DON’T WANT TO SEE HIS (TYLER’S) *****”. I merely brought up his B.O. performance to negate your argument, not to “QUANTIFY” the artistic merits via how much money Tyler’s movies bring in.
Marquis
I find it unfair that you will argue that it’s simply “art” yet base it’s success on a monetary value. Since when does art = monetary riches. We both know that MANY great historial artists (black and white) died penniless, and often didnt gain notoriety until after death. Your basically just sticking with the same old contradictive babel.
lol, come on, admit it Marquis. But I know you wont, you have a bossip reputation to protect. I know there’s logic in there somewhere.. lol
@Marquis
I never said Tyler Perry didnt deserve his platform. I just call it *****. I call it embarr*****ing *****. I am not going to deny him his place but I am not going to defend his ***** because he is black. I doubt Spike is denying Perry his platform but he is calling it the ***** that it is.
Candy Candy
Excuse me, but I think my comments were more than GERMANE to this particular thread. If anything, you are the one who was guilty of veering off the subject with your BLACKER THAN THOU edicts on why Tyler’s art has no right to exist because in your “SUBJECTIVE” opinion, his oovre has no “ARTISTIC MERITS”.
marquis
whatever dude, lol. okay whatever you say ol’ holy one.
blacker than thou is a compliment to me. Thanks!
The bottom line is that Spike is jealous, his ego (as always) has him diareahring at the mouth.
Tyler Perry loves to collaoborate…he just finished “Precious” with Oprah and that is going to be a humdinger ringer baby!! Talk about controversial and edgy.
If Spike were smart (or even calculating in an intellegent way) he would opt to sit down and exchange a few ideas with Tyler instead of lashing out. But he can’t because he is a prisoner of his own ego. Spike has probably “youtubed” the trailers of “Precious” and the green monster got him by the drawers…po thang…
Marquis de Sade
HF
“So then, if we agree on art as subjective, then that again proves that *****oby can QUALIFY art based on how much it makes.”
LOL! Actually that’s more your issue than it is mine…Afterall, you made the blanket statement that: “BLACK PEOPLE DON’T WANT TO SEE HIS (TYLER’S) *****”. I merely brought up his B.O. performance to negate your argument, not to “QUANTIFY” the artistic merits via how much money Tyler’s movies bring in.
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Up until now I took u and your opinions on this subject seriously, Marquise, but now u r attributing something 2 me that I never typed. Kindly let me know what time my alleged quote above was posted.
Spike Lee’s *****essment is on point. Leave it to him to have the ***** to call it what it is.
You have to respect each mans gift bc you can’t do it doesn’t means it’s not “art”. Spike may be jealous bc this is Tylers season. God Bless them both.
Candy Cane
When did I imply that Money = Art, and vice versa? I’m merely defending Tyler’s vision the right to exist, and if you disagree or not, his art does have viability in his fans eyes. Unlike you, I just refuse to set myself up as the ARBITER OF GOOD TASTE…Afterall, about 15 years or so, someone took an empty mayonaise jar, *****ed in it, dropped a crusifix in, and called it “***** CHRIST”. The NEA gave this person $25000.00 and called it art. Ya’ see, SUBJECTIVE.
Tyler movies are proof that some blacks have not progressed. However, Spike should not make his disdain for Perry public, it only makes him look like a crab.
Spike Lee jealous of Tyler Perry? Doubtful. He’s still got his soul.
Spike Lee and his followers-tsk,tsk, tsk.
Stop acting brand new. I grew up middle cl***** and knew people identical to TP’s characters-we all do.
Oh, and a bit of clarification-CMT have shows such as ‘my redneck wedding’. Do you hear whites people complaining about that? NO? They couldn’t give a rats ***** about it.
MARQUIS
“LOL! It wasn’t meant as bait, but as fact! Tyler can finance and greenlight his own projects independantly and with the partnership of Lions Gate to handle the distribution and co-finance the marketing, he is well on his way to becoming the first billionaire movie mogul. Spike on the otherhand is at the mercy of any studio who’s willing to finance, market and distribute his projects at a (probable) loss, and(or) TAX WRITE-OFF.”
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lol, come on Marquis, this is your comment earlier. This has nothing to do with art or taste. It’s all about the money with you. You have contradicted yourself many a time today sir.
I was commenting towards another blogger who said spike lee’s been in the industry for over 20 yrs and had ***** to show for it. Which of course I disagreed with, lol. But you went on to say compared to tyler, spike doesnt have anything to show for it. Again… all about the money. Which gives his “art” a monetary value.
??? hmmmmm
Marquis you are usually more consistent with your approach.
Madea makes me laugh too much to hate her. The critics are those in our community who are has beens and don’t welcome competition. Instead what they should do is humble themselves and apply for a job at TP Studios. The brother became a billionaire faster than Oprah. We have come a long way Baby! No looking back. No regrets for one who broke the mold and recast it without playing Hollyweird’s game. Bravo, my brother, Bravo!
Candy Cane, I think Marquise has just been proven 2 have a short memory span. That was the EXACT agrument Marquise and others made. I said they were invoking the Mickey-D’s defense, then Marquise proceeded 2 tell me how art is subjective and in the eye of the beholder.
Well…DUH!!!!!
Still waiting on where that quote came from, Marquise… [crickets chirping]
@ Kigali
Spike makes better movies than Tyler? It’s all relative. It is up to the viewer to define what makes a movie “better” than another. What criteria are we using? Better in humor or in diversity of topics? And what scale are you using? Right now, the box office is saying that Tyler Perry’s movies are better. Box office = The people. Black folks got enough drama and serious issues going on in their lives, so right now, the people are saying that they like Tyler’s movies better. Like my husband said, “*****z just wanna laugh sometimes.”
I agree that the semiautobiographical, Crooklyn, was one of Spike’s better movies, except for the distorted cinematographic filming at the end, over use and sometimes inappropriate use of music, the sympathetic portrayal of Woody, and the unrealistic and soft portrayal of the Brooklyn hood.
Spike grew up in a middle-cl***** father with a mother who was an educator and a father who was a musician. I’ve never read about him running from gang members or living in poverty. Tyler Perry grew up poor Louisiana in a broken home and as a victim of sexual abuse. Spike went on to college to refine his writing and cinematic style while Tyler went to church for healing and solace. Both of their styles are reflective of their environments and realities.
Perhaps Old Spikey should stop hating and put together his own sitcom, “The Carmichaels,” a black family who lives in a two-parent, black utopia, where the streets are devoid of litter.
I SOOOOOOOO AGGGGGGGGGGGGRRRRRRRRRRRRREEEEEEEEEEEEE WITH ATL FINEST AND THIS ONE AND COMMENTS ALIKE::
Ayesha
Spike Lee is a HATER – Part I
Spike Lee is an ANGRY BLACK MAN!
Spike Lee has the SHORT MAN’S COMPLEX!
Spike Lee casts mostly light-skinned, long-haired women as leads and protagonists in his movies.
Spike Lee believes he is the authority on race relations and cultural criticism.
Spike Lee can call Tyler Perry anything that he wants to, but when the next Madea comes out, black folks will be there–including me.
TYLER PERRY = BLACK GHETTO COMEDY!
BLACK GHETTO COMEDY comes from the hood. Everybody ain’t grow up bourghetto like Chris Rock and Spike Lee. Escapism is what I’m looking for in a lot of entertainment. When folks turn on reruns of Good Times, Sanford and Son, and The Wayans Bros., they’re not looking for an intellectual experience with politically correct representations of African-Americans, I’m looking for entertainment and humor.
If you want to define coonery, then take a look at Chris Rock’s stand up routines, and his latest rolling hairball. He’s making fun of Black people at Black people for White people. If his daughters came out looking like what he intended them to look like—like his light-skinned, weave-wearing wife—then he would have never made his do*****entary expose. For all the years that Chris Rock has been attracted to the light-skinned, “good-haired” sisters, he never felt our plight until the two little girls that he lives for, had to begin enduring what sistahs have been talking about for years. Chris Rock wanted to expose our hair weaves, nappy hair secrets, and “good” hair insecurities to make his girls feel better about themselves. “Look babies, daddy gone show dem black women… Makin’ my babies feel bad ‘bout demselves… Watch babies… Daddy’s gone expose them… I’ll show them (at the expense of Black women)… Daddy’s gone redefine beauty… Daddy’s gone make a do*****entary! Look at these simple, poor women, paying $2,000 for weaves and they work at the grocery store… All that hair ain’t even their real hair… See, they ain’t got no good hair… They puttin’ kiddie perms on them kids’ hair… See it ain’t real… They stupid… Getting hair from India and puttin’ it on their head…
Was that do*****entary for us or for his children?
Candy Cane
Uhhh, i’m gonna let you think about this for awhile. How did I contradict myself? Not once did I imply Tyler’s art was better than Spike’s or Vice Versa. I just stated that Tyler’s art has afforded him a more lucrative return, thus giving more freedom to greenlight more projects without putting himself at the mercy of the BIG STUDIO machine…And in comparison to ones’ bank account, I can *****ure you Tyler has a bigger account than Spike.
Hey Tyler, do your thing, brother. You have a very loyal fan base, and those who aren’t hip with your work, they can bounce. I’d rather watch a Tyler film anyday, than be caught up with what some damn Atlanta housewives or what Tiny and Toya are doing. At least Tyler has a message with his movies.
HF
I mis-read your earlier comment. I appologize.
HF
I know right?! At least we’ve stayed consistent with our views. I dont care who likes tyler or doesnt like spike. I spend my money how i want and will support whom I see fit. The only thing that warranted me to comment other then the intrest of the tread, was everyone who was not all rah-rah about tyler was somehow a hater. Which is a cop-out and not true at all.
It basically comes down to what you said… that’s ALL he does. come on, even goofy ***** Jim Carey has a serious, productive side, lol.
Marquis de Sade
HF
I mis-read your earlier comment. I appologize
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Apology appreciated and accepted. Thanks.
Medea and Mr. Brown characters are stereotypes that should not be portrayed on movies. However, Spike is the pot calling the kettle. SMH! DO better!
Marquis is APOLOGIZING?!? What in Sam hell?!? Just the other day, I caught 6am defending somebody. Are y’all going soft???
Maybe someone mentioned this (I haven’t read thrugh all the comments), but men have been dressing up like women since the days of Flip Wilson (many are probably too young to remember, Geraldine). When Mrs. Doubtfire came out, were white folks complaining about Robin Williams? Madea is a character. She’s a lot better than the coonery I’ve seen from some of these comedians we herald as being funny.
tyler perry movies are dumb all he is making funny of black people don’y you see the reason he is targeting black people they will buy into anything he is appealing to black women like i can do bad by myself what kind of crap you can’t compare tyler to spike spike make very good movies try to uplift alcks tyler does not
sorry about that i was rushing
You have to search to find quality black films. Hollywood always will produce coon because there are more *****s aka uneducated blacks than real black people. Movies like I think I love my wife, Hav Plenty, Love Jones, Barbershop 1, Soulfood, 30 years to life, The Best Man etc are few and far between because blacks don’t support the quality writing. Throw a rapper in it and 1 name brand comedian and here they come. Soul Plane anyone?
WE as a people are always worried about how others perceive us. White people make dumb ***** movies of themselves with no meaning to them, call it a comedy and everyone laughs. You don’t see them whining about their perception. In the end it is all about entertainment. If you don’t like TP’s movies/shows boycott them. If you don’t think he shows positivity look beyond his shows, movies, and plays and look into his real life. Now that is a success one We as a people should be proud of.
AWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWSHADDAAP!!!!!
LOL! Hey, it’s Sunday. Ya’ gotta’ keep it holy sometimes. I still stand by my earlier *****essment that HF, Candy Cane are being too elitist in their critique of Tyler Perry. Subjectively, his ***** is no more or less viable than spikes *****. The only difference is Tyler makes movies people want to pay for, and Spike makes movies that goes ignored.
oh ABSOLUTELY! Spike Lee H.A.S in fact made that point extremely C.L.E.A.R.!!! and c’mon in Tylers’ heart- he KNOWS this truth 2!
If you think about it, Madea is a black version of Tootsie. Just as overly opinionated and strong willed with a slight propensity for violence when warranted…Granted, Tootsie never used a gun, but she she/he did slap the ***** out the the old dude who was nicked named the “TONGUE”.
If I didn’t know somebody like madea or brown then I would call his show and movies coonery also.I know pple like that and those people do exist in the black community.I don’t really care to go see anything TP makes anymore because I get tired of seeing the same movie but I have nothing but respect for him because he is the only director willing to give up and coming black actors&actresses a chance.Meet the Browns is funny but HOP really isn’t but they are good shows.I applaud Tyler for trying bring back the black sitcom because there aren’t none anymore.If spike lee dislikes what he see’s so much then he should put out something better.
Kia, I couldn’t agree with you more. There is a lot of things I see, e.g., music videos, movies, TV shows I don’t watch because they are mindless to me. TP is the least coonish thing I’ve seen compared to what’s out there, yet people can’t get their fill of some of the b.s. put out as entertainment, and then they want to criticize Tyler?
Keep making those movie, Ty.
Tyler Perry is a good brotha but this is not our country. If WE in Africa and black men took education seriously. We could make trash and laugh because we won the war and OWN everything in our society. But as a minority with little ownership, its hard to laugh at someone making u look like a buffoon.
If WE were in Africa and black men took education seriously. Correction.
Bye, HF & Marquis, I’m out. Enjoy the rest of your day fellas!
Although i agree with Mr. Perry’s bait comments. He use’s the Madea and Brown;s as a way to get people to look at bigger issues. It’s a shame that we as a people still need that.
I can tell by the comments about Spike you all don’t watch much of his stuff as of late but i think when Madea outsells Miracle at St. Ann it shows our collective cultural IQ is below 79 and that’s a shame.
Please Black people
read great lit: Baldwin
see great Plays: Fence’s By August Wilson
Watch Great film: Miracle at St. Anna or any of Mr. Lee’s work
See Great Art: Henry O Tanner
See Great Dance: Alvin Aliey
Just Get Some Culture!
STFU ‘big titi mixed daughter’ with a stupid name like that you deserve to DIE a slow painful death!
Ok-these opinions are coming from a wack azz producer who ain’t did nothing good since the 90’s. Spike always have his mouth wide open saying nothing. Tyler makes people laugh and all his stories have good points. If you don’t like the shows, then just don’t watch. He act like Tyler ask him to play a role. He just jealous cause he being looked over and *****ody is asking him to do a film.
I love Spike Lee movies. Tyler Perry’s… not so much.He is ok I guess.
Madea is a negative sterotype. Half of Tyler Perry’s characters are, too. They don’t represent anyone in my family and definitely don’t represent me as an African American woman. The scripts are so one-dimensional and poorly written. We want diverse characters with diverse interests. How much do you see rednecks depicted in the media? Not very. White people don’t celebrate the trash in their families like Black Americans do. All of our shows and movies depict crime, violence, interpersonal conflict, drug abuse. Why can’t we think outside the damn box! Science-fiction or maybe some sort of thriller, or mystery? White folks allow TP to am***** this success (although it’s only limited to Black dollars) because he’s not a threat to enlighten Black folk. They certainly wouldn’t want 37 million intelligent Obama-type Blacks out there, right? And by the way, not every Black person is a Christian. Other beliefs do exist (gasp!)
I have seen one Tyler Perry film featuring Madea, , “Diary of a Mad Black Woman”, and even though the message was good, Madea is a character that could have been left out. I refuse to stomach anymore of Madea and the outrageous, cl*****less antics that Perry feels he must do to make people laugh. It does make you wonder, “Are you laughing with me or at me?” and those who have some sense (education and cl***** not necessary to have sense) can figure out the answer that his Madea character evokes. I saw “Why Did I Get Married?” and I thoroughly enjoyed the movie because it featured comedy and drama without the coonery and buffoonery and was more realistic. No black man should have to dress in drag to get black people or any race in the movie seats. Spike may have his jealous moments, but I believe his criticism is valid. It is simply modern day buffoonery and coonery and it should be laid to rest. It’s almost 2010, not 1910, and it’s not funny!
This is another Spike Lee Joint…He went @ Eddie Murphy about Harlem Nights and Clint Eastwood just last year regarding a movie he made…He probably got a movie coming out…He’s the 50 cent of movie producers…
msmck>>>Jeff Foxworthy did a whole show and stand up on rednecks and there was another comedy show on rednecks and white folks loved it. The issue is they are depicted in various ways, i.e. redneck, rich, educated, uneducated. We have so many one-dimensional shows and movies that stereotype us one way. To me, Tyler’s movies don’t fall in that category. There’s not enough variety.
Also, we really need to stop worrying about what white people think. We are the only race that does so, and it needs to stop. They are going to think whatever they want regardless of what’s out there.
Historically blacks have tip-toed around the plantation worrying about what white folks think. I really believe many of us actually believe they are superior and whatever they think is the gospel.
You say “All of our shows and movies depict crime, violence, interpersonal conflict, drug abuse.” Not true. Have you ever watched Lincoln Heights? There were some other shows that depicted great families with values and morals, but guess what? They went off the air do to low viewership. We’ll watch foolishnes, but give many of us good quality shows and we don’t want to see it.
The only thing this *****got ***** ***** said that was the truth in this 1:13 seconds was “madea is the bait”
The bait to do what *****? the bait to attract the stupid, poor, proplr who cant think for themselves and see exactly what it is you’re doing for profit?
You can put out a “message” movie but you dont have to put one out with the absolute worst ghetto stereotypes available. yeah these people exist, but most black people wish they didnt, they’re embar*****ments, they cause “all” of the problems in black neighborhoods, they’re unreachable, unteachable, flat out ignorant and dont care if you know it or not. And for Emmitt Perry to go on national TV and try and sell that bull***** as “I need this to get them in the theatre so I can give them a message” is not only insulting your intelligence but the intelligence of anybody watching white, black, asian, messycan whatever!
This interviewer should have asked Emmitt the questions i would have asked his *****:
1. are you a homosexual?
2. if you are why arent you out of the closet?
3. is it because you know 80% of that “fanbase” would abandon you as a fraud?
4. you obviously have the means to give african americans a better product because you earned $200 million last year, why dont you?
5. There are oscar caliber writers, directors and producers out there, dont you think black people deserve the same quality up on the screen as whites who pay the same price per movie?
6. Speaking of blacks, why is it you preach “opportunity” for blacks yet you refuse to pay them the same as their white union counterparts?
7. Why is it every two weeks you come up with another “abuse” story, were you the only child in that neighborhood?
8. You keep hiring singers who cant act, do you have something against new young black actors/actresses who worked years honing their craft?
9. You keep saying your stories have good points, but your stories all seem the same; I can give examples, and do you think its ok to make black people look like *****in’ coons in front of America while “trying” to get that story across?
10. Please tell me the benefit of Meet the Browns or House of Payne, arguably the worst two stereotypical black shows ever made. I mean besides filling yours and your Jewish backers pockets….
I can see Emmitts publicist draggin’ his ***** outta that studio quick!
Oh one more, you made 4 times what the nearest black actor made in 2008 yet percentage wise you donate far less, not even one million (verified) what gives?
love 6am *****in’ genius!
I think everyone is entitled to their opinion and that’s all fine and dandy, but if you look at mainstream producers and actors/actresses who they look like. If TP can come on the scene and help bring Blacks into the industry I am all for that. SL need a reality check. When are Blacks going to stop be critical amongst one another and join in the fight for equality within the film industry of ALL races. You don’t here Whites saying anything negative about movies such as, Dumb and Dumber or Jack*****. Until we stop being so uppity with one another we will be our own failure. Get togehter Black People.
not “propir” thats “people”
@ Rhoda,
Dumb and Dumber was satire, Emmitt Perry puts his ***** out as true lifestyles of all black people, theres a difference.
@ Rhoda,
Black people should never get together behind an Emmitt Perry for anything, doing so just says “im stupid, i dont care what Emmitt puts out that embar*****es me, heres my hard earned money”
*****in’ ridiculous!
another black producer hating on a another one??? give me a break spike lee… if this was a successful black woman talking about some one else (cough) beyonce…. people would say spike is hating…. ***** em tp… molestation… incest occurs everyday in the black community and *****ody wants to say anything.. speak the truth tp… black women need a uplift…and u just may be it.
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@ 6 a.m., I knew you’d add your commentary
@ Charmingme,
Of course that ***** happens in black communities every day, but not nearly as much as white ones, and another thing, just how much do you think Emmitt has given to help stop or provide a safe haven for black victims of abuse? Let me help you, not one *****in’ penny!
I mean he’s making alot of money “talking” about abuse in his films, but he does absolutely nothing about it…………..
Like I said, ***** Emmitt Perry and everything he supposedly stands for, its all bull*****!
@ word to the wise,
I come late to the party, I never miss the *****!
@ 6 a.m., I know you were addressing Rhoda, but I’m going to say this. The wonderful thing about people is that even though we might not agree with one another, we can’t dictate someone else’s views. You’re telling people who like Tyler that they think of themselves as “stupid.” Not so. I like Tyler (I don’t like Meet the Browns or HOP), but his movies, to me, have a message that is very important and has been lost in our society. Take it or leave it. JMO, and if I’m stupid for that, in your opinion, so be it.
@ 6,
I know you don’t, brother.
Should I start my own blog, and if i did how many of you woukld follow me there?
I mean you’d have to be open minded because exactly what youre reading now would be exactly what would come from my mouth every day.
@ 6,
White folks have a lot of issues; however, they aren’t often spoken about. We see them as superior, but trust and believe, they have a lot of ***** going on that we, the public, nor the media will not talk about. I mean CNN did the do*****entary “Black in America” (horrible, if you ask me), and are now showing “Latino in America.” I haven’t watched the later one, but why don’t they have “White in America?” They have issues stemming from the turn of the century; however we love depicting them as PERFECT.
@ Word to the wise,
I dont think “all” people who go see his movies are stupid, poor, or out of the loop, but I guarantee you if you tested 100 Emmitt Perry fans against 100 No Country for Old Men fans, the differences in IQ would depress the ***** out of you.
Spike Lee is just bitter.. There are black people in the world just like the people Tyler portrays.. and we should not be ashamed of where we came from.. Every body must be perfect in Spike’s little world.. To hell with catering to a “white” Hollywood.. Tyler speaks to the hearts of the people who reflect him and where he came from. That is why he built his ((own)) studio.. so he would not have to answer to *****ody.. I guess Mr. Lee is the new and improved renaissance negro (in his own mind).. lol I guess everyone is entitled to their opinion though..
@ 6 a.m. LOL! Ya know, I’ve never looked into the audience of Tyler’s fans – I’m sure they vary from ghetto to Ivy League. It’s just entertainment. How about people who are reality TV stans. I can imagine some of their IQ’S are below that of a knat.
@ Word to the wise,
I know all about white issues, sexual deviance, imagined privilege, refusal to admit when ***** aint perfect etc, but they dont put the ***** up on the screen as entertainment! Emmitt Perry does, and whats worse is Emmitt does it and wants you to love him for it, his movies arent entertaining, they’re badly acted, badly written, horribly produced and directed pieces of ***** that he miraculously keeps getting uneducated blacks to pay full price for.
TWO WordS: ***** *****NESS
@ Unlisted,
what are you crazy? yeah Emmitt built his own studio but those *****in’ ignorant films he makes wouldnt go anywhere without distributorship ie; White Jewish owned “lionsgate”
Without them Emmitt wiould be showing those horrible films in his basement!
And not one person has ever explained to me why when Emmitts black employees asked for the same money their white counterparts get, Emmitt fired them……
If spike spent as much time developing Black Female characters, without sexualizing them beyond belief (girl 6, she’s gotta have it), or marginalizing them as a girlfriend or wife, then maybe he too could tap into the market that has been so successful for tyler. Some of tyler’s characters are stereotypical, but a lot of them are smart, driven and determined with good hearts. Both tyler and spike could spend a little more time on their scripts. Neither is a pefect film maker. But Tyler is very successful right now and I’m sure spike is a little Jealous.
@ Word to the wise,
Lol, i dare you to find me one Ivy League educated person in the audience of an Emmitt Perry film, and if there is one, I guarantee you he/she is doing research on guess what topic, “how *****ed up an Emmitt perry film is”
@ That *****,
Spikes worst is better than Emmitts best……sorry.
And I’m no spike lee fan.
When Ever there is someone doing something that you want to do or tried to do. It’s always gonna be that bitter someone to come along and hate on the other person cause they feel like they can do it better. Not only does Tyler Perry has a sitcom on a major network but he has two on a major network. He writes produce and owns his material. I guarantee you that Spike Lee tried to shop a sitcom to T.V.Stations back in the day and got turned down! So now its why mine didn’t make it and his did; Or You mean to tell me this coon who came out of nowhere is doing things on a bigger scale than me and I been in this game for years. Hey I aint saying I’m just saying! It has nothing to do with what he’s doing it’s the fame and fortune that he has generated TRUST ME!!!! Most men hate to come second to anyone LOL Why do you think most rappers hate Soulja Boy same situation!!!
yall need to stop hatin on tyler perry . ***** how you feel spike lee yall aint say ***** bout eddie when he was playin the clumps . yall *****s get money and worry bout yall self thats wat tyler’s doing no matter wat role he play. besides he have a good message on life and nothing he say’s is flaw so ***** you flaw *****’s and let that man enjoy the gift god gave him …..haters
Im gonna let yall speak amongst yourselves for a minute, hopefully when i come back someone will have an answer for that black/white pay difference.
Spike, like it or not there are people in the black community who are like Madea and Mr. Brown. There are also coctors, lawyers, and even a president. Tyler’s movies are funny and he makes points in the movies like taking care of each other. There are enough people putting us down. We dont need our own to do it.
@ 6,
No, some white folks aren’t going to put up their ***** for entertainment or anything else. Hell, they don’t even like admitting their ***** stinks sometimes, that’s why I like Tim Wise. He’s a white man who keeps it real. He tells them about themselves.
As far as Ivy League educated person in a Tyler audience – wrong. My sister is definitely educated. She’s a physician, and she loves Tyler. She’s not the only one either. Some people just don’t take it as serious as others.
@ lala,
1. soulja boy is big in the south among deep south rappers, *****ody outside the deep south is interested in that bama *****.
2. Emmitts sitcoms arent on a “major” network, they’re on TBS cable, that coon ***** would never get on a major network.
3. Emmitt perry came outta nowhere and caters to people who cant see the actual harm that he’s doing, dont you think the retarded deserve better?
@ Bhunter,
I just read your incoherent paragraph, i would clown you but its obvious youre in here to represent the stupid. Emmitt needs people like you, yanno **********as who cant think for themselves, get money no matter what, uneducated, savior needing ignorant *****s…..
@ peaches,
In Emmitts movies, its Emmitt who’s putting yoiu down, cant you see that?
now I will really let yall have the room back for 15 minutes.
@ word to the wise,
what university did your sister attend?
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I love Spike Lee and Tyler Perry’s movies and I think Spike is definitely wrong for talking that ***** about another successful black man to the white media who could give a damn about either of them outside of how much money they can make for them
If thats how he feels than he should have called TP up and discussed that ***** man to man with him, and if he ain’t want to do that he should just shut the ***** up.
is Madea a loud mouth over the top SATIRE of a country ***** Georgia grandma? hell yeah! but every time I go to a TP movie I can feel good about the representation of a section of black America that he portrays on screen and the messages and themes that TP pushes in all his movies LOVE, FAITH, COMP*****ION, FRIENDSHIP, ETC ETC.
Bwhahahahaha!!!
i dont kno who would go c these movies theyre soo stupid and ghetto! coonery and bafoonery indeed white people rule!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@Its6amHoGetOut Resident Genius, You know you were waiting for my opinion so here it is………
What up, 6? I see you are doing your thing. lol
Can we just take it a step further and say that those who support Perry are confused and guilty of coonery as well?
@ 6,
She went to Howard University medical school about 26 years ago. It might not be Ivy League, she got a damn good education and she’s at the top of her game.
ok, some people may see tyler perry’s plays as offensive or whatever. but guess what, madea speaks TRUTH. no matter what madea says or does, she always has a lesson for the people around her and inspires people to do better. i just wish that more people had a madea in their lives, that way they wouldn’t be doing the STUPID UNNECESSARY stuff they are doing now. and as far as the extra stuff, its just COMEDY!!!! people get a life and stop putting so much thought into NOTHING. GET OVER IT and MOVE ON WITH YOUR LIFE.
People in general kill me, always complaining about the lack of true representation of a specific race..***** represent yourself, and stop complaining about what you see on a sitcom. Spike needs to focus on using his words to influence the youth who are shooting and killing daily..A television sitcom is not the reality of the world, even “reality” t.v. is generally nothing more than scripted media to entertain the m*****es..People shouldn’t take something that is created to be humorous and entertaining as a literal attempt to represent gender, race, or cl***** level. I don’t relate to the Madea character at all and have no one in my family that does, but i also don’t relate to ANY of the characters that i’ve seen represented in spike’s films either…but i enjoy both. Spike needs to direct this energy elsewhere and he needs to take a seat in the process…
and as far as spike lee goes, YOU JUST MAD THAT YOU GOT SOME COMPETITION. GET OVER YOURSELF B****!!!!!!!
i dont think the madea character is coonery although the shows are crap. The movies do really well and are fun to watch but the show is a like a scratched record that continues to play and im just sick of it. Spike’s right and the comments arent surprising i mean they are on the opposite ends of cinema. Comedy and Serious Drama. Yeah, no surprise there.
Well at least Tyler is giving work to black actors.
Tyler Perry is one of the MAIN people who needs to read the article I wrote on “haters.” He can continue to dismiss his critics as haters, but if he does, he will never become a good writer and director…that may not matter to him because at this point he has enough money not to care. But dismissing the opinion of someone like Spike Lee who has more movie making talent in his pinky toe than Tyler will ever have in his entire body is proof that self-reflection in our community is all but DEAD.
You have to search to find quality black films… few and far between because blacks don’t support the quality writing.
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@Big titi mixed daughter
And then when “WE” FINALLY get a GOOD movie that tells us a story that we haven’t heard before or shows us in a positive light = we don’t go and see it in droves like we do the “coontastic” films, Case & point = “The Great Debators”, “The Miracle at St. Anna”… SMMFH
If you a greedy business man only interested in making a HUGE profit what kind of movie do you think will be financed so as to get a huge return on investment???
We gotta do better people and start supporting quality Black Films so MORE of them will be made!!!
*Sepia830
@Its6amHoGetOut Resident Genius, You know you were waiting for my opinion so here it is………
What up, 6? I see you are doing your thing. lol
Can we just take it a step further and say that those who support Perry are confused and guilty of coonery as well?*
That’s the silliest ***** i’ve ever read. That’s like saying everyone who enjoyed a Jim Carrey comedy is guilty of being a buffoon also. You and this 6am person come off as being cultural elitist bigots.
You both need to take it down a notch, honey. Your arrogance is not a good look.
Tyler Perry is a great guy, but I can’t stand anything he produces. I watch as my friends and family laugh but it’s just embar*****ing to me.
I couldn’t agree with Spike more.
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It’s funny how the people here are focusing on Madea..and individual characters in the man’s movies. What about the story line in them? Take a look at that and tell me there is no substance.
And since when did one character in a movie; define a whole race of people?
Saying that Madea makes black people look bad…THAT is the coonery.
So basically whites can have comical characters… yet blacks can’t, for fear of being called “Coon”? That is BS.
I agree with Spike Lee to a certain extent. We (black people) are sterotyped everyday. Some of the shows that we see today are living up to the sterotype. We have enough issues, why can’t we be shown in a positive light with substance? It’s time to let others know that we ARE somebody and not just some what you see out on the streets and TV.
Master: “6am get your black ***** in here and shine this a here floor!”
6am: “Yessa Master I is gonna do it rights now and if yous needa anything elses let me knows Master.”
When Coonin’ Tyler Perry’s sweet ***** going to come out the closet!!!!?????
Tyler is the bomb. I love his stuff. Spike is the bomb. I love his stuff. NOW SPIKE PERHAPS YOU SHOULD PUT YOUR PRIDE ASIDE – AND WORK WITH MR. PERRY SO YOU BOTH CAN MAKE A BIG BUCK. MAYBE MAKE ANOTHER MOVIE ABOUT HBCU – OR THE FOOTBALL CL*****ICS – MOREHOUSE/SPELMAN – AND DONATE THE MONEY TO THOSE INSTITUTIONS…. MAKE IT HAPPEN!!
@ Slide, that’s exactly what I said. The good quality movies that come out like the ones you mentioned don’t get the audience. I’m sure a lot of the people hear complaining probably didn’t go see any of them.
@B’Rae, unfortunately some black people think a bad image of a black person is a reflection on the whole race. That kind of thinking is arcaic, ignorant, and self-loathing. That’s the same kind of thinking that many racists have.
SPIKE LEE IS A *****ING RACIST BUT I DON’T LIKE TYLER SO ***** THEM BOTH!
@Sunshyne,
Read “Slides” comment above. The good, positive movies that come out, most black people don’t support them. Usually the audience is full of white people.
Wordtothewise:
you’re right about that. and its such a shame
I HAVE A QUESTIO WHY DO EVERYTIME SOMEONE DON’T ARGEE WITH YOU THEY HAVE TO BE “haters” BLACK PEOPLE ARE THE ONLY PEOPLE USE HATER SO LET ME GET THIS RIGHT I AM A HATER WHO DON’T LIKE TYLER PERRY PEOPLE HAE THEIR OWN MIND DON’T GET MAD AT THEM BECAUSE THEY DON’T LIKE WHO YOU LIKE THAT WORD HATER IS AN EXCUSE BECAUSE YOU CAN’T BRING UP A GOOD ARGUMENT SO PEOPLE PLEASE STOP USING THE WORD HATER BECAUSE IT’S DUMB JUST LIKE SWAG. WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE SAYING THEY DON’T LIKE TYLER PERRY THESE HAVE A GOOD REASON SO YOU ARE HATER YOU DON’T LIKE HIM OR SOMETHING ELSE AND BY THE WAY TYLER PERRYMOVIES ARE THE SAME LOOK HOW HE PROTRAYS THE BLACK MEN HE IS A CHEATER, NO GOOD FATHER, AND BLACK WOMEN ARE THE ONLY ONES THAT REALLY LIKE THIS ***** THINK ABOUT THAT
SPIKE JUST SAYING SH*T TO SOUND RELEVANT…HE HAD HIS TIME TO SHINE AND HE PUT OUT SHE’S GOTTA HAVE IT, SCHOOL DAZE, JUNGLE FEVER, DO THE RIGHT THING,MOBETTA BLUES AND ABOUT 14 OTHER MOVIES. I THINK SPIKE A LIL SALTY MAYBE HIS BUSINESS DEALS WEREN’T THAT SAVVY AND HE GOT BURNT SAY I.E. HIS RETURN ON MOVIES WAS MAYBE 25% AND TYLER’S 50%!
WHATEVER IT’S TYLER’S TIME SO GIVE THE MAN 3 FEET AND LET HIM DO HIMSELF…SMDH @ SPIKE TRYIN’ TO BELITTLE TYLER’S STYLO!
I’m sure a lot of the people hear complaining probably didn’t go see any of them.
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@WordtotheWise
LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
And I almost didn’t see that Film “Crash”, I BY CHANCE happened to come across a review of it in a white magazine (*GQ – Will Welch I see you Fam) and then went to go see it…
It’s not a Black Film, but as you know it deals with the issues of racism & prejudice that we as people of color go thru on the regular and like many films of substance wasn’t a huge box office hit… AND ALL of the critics gave it RAVE reviews!!!
We as a people ABSOLUTELY need to support quality Black Films or it’s more movies like “SoulPlane”, “Pootie Tang” and “B.A.P.S” for us…
There’s room for both. I love Spike’s artistic approach and the depth of his characters, so I’m a Spike fan. But I’m tired of successful black folks beefing. It’s the same mentality that has ppl shooting on the block – stupid beefs.
Tyler can do his thing – I’ll see the movie and laugh. Spike can do his thing – I’ll see the movie and think. Room for both.
I am NOT a fan of Madea for that very reason. Yes those characters exsist but that is all “they” think we are. Spike in his age has been working my nerves. He is not the voice of all black people. I do agree with him on this. Both shows are corny as hell and a major embar*****ment.
I love Spike Lee joints, but in this case he needs to STFU. The Madea movies may be corny and predictable but they deliver a positive tone that you really can’t find anywhere else in black entertainment. He talks about family values, respect for women, and responsibility among other things. Yeah the Madea character is a little ‘coonish’ but it’s comedy. There’s always a positive message underlying the Tyler Perry movies and that makes it ok in my book.
well damn, I guess Tyler Perry told you Spike Lee.
@6am
You have your opinion, so what suggestions do you have to hire Blacks in the industry and work for yourself and not depend on the White man telling you what to do, how much you will earn, or how you should look in order to do it?
It is what it is. Black people need to get serious. This “Tyler Perry” stuff is not harmless. This stuff goes out all over the world. I haven’t watched the shows, but I have seen the commercials. Sad. Real sad.
SPIKE is right. Tyler has been producing low budget features for a while now and laughing all the way to the bank. He’s getting his money but at what expense? He perpetuates an image of the African American community that has been beat into the ground. It would be wonderful if he would take some time to develop his one dimensional characters. Even the successful black characters he writes into his scripts lack any personality. I think Tyler struggles when it comes to in-depth writing. He’s good for the quick buck.
How about we start with the people on this blog commenting? If you want change, and want to see black people portrayed in a better light, start by learning how to write clear and cohesive sentences, with proper grammar and sentence structure. Some of you on here put educated black people to shame. It takes only a minute to think of a response, and then another to spell check said response.
When in the hell will we learn to stop co-signing bull***** just because it makes a lot of money? Why can’t a black actor be funny by just being his or herself? Why is it that a black male actor is expected to dress up like a woman at some point in his career just so he can get ahead in Hollywood? You mean to tell me that Tyler Perry can’t be funny without cross dressing? I find that sad and sicking.
Spike Lee is right on point. Tyler Perry’s movies are all crap and coon movies. He is like bob johnson from BET infamy – make billions off of hoeing and degrading black people. Its sad that the black person making the most money is the one who is doing modern day minstrel shows. He was just on 60 mins and he was right – his money shows people he grew up with. I did not grow up with female relatives like that – thank god
candy cain and others saying spike makes movies to make a point–get a freakin’ clue dumb *****es–spike needs to make a bunch of money to pay for his opulent lifestyle. House on e 63rd and lex, hoard of luxury cars, an expensive wife–with a 7 figure monthly allowance, and two kids n very expensive private schools. . . .ohhh ya’ll so stupid it makes me ill. . . .lol. . . .watch spikes next flick is gonna be light and fluffy, not like that last monstrosity.
Let’s see…if TP is making millions off of his shows because people can relate to them then, that means maybe, millions of people can relate, right…it’s okay to not want to be all the characters in his movies or any of them…but the truth is if anyone including Spike can even make mention to mistrel shows or use the word “coonery” in a sentence says we haven’t come far at all…just do your research and if you are all that of a scholar then you most definitely would not let those words roll off of your tongue especially when referring to anyone black.
Spike Lee needs to go sit down somewhere. Not all of his work was good. Soooooo…..he needs to step back and allow Tyler to be himself.
Spike Lee is hating…. Everybody knows a Madea or Mr. Brown from the hood…. the fact is that these “booshie” blacks like Spike is jealous and should be more supportive of Tyler’s work. I for one see the characters Tyler has created as strong, resilient, stoic and moving…. They hate the fact that Tyler doesn’t have a “formal” education in his craft….fall the f*ck back Spike!
Spike is now making QUALITY movies, and Tyler is SO one dimensional. He will get tired quickly if he does not change his storylines.
Both men are great contributors to man kind in there own way. One should not judge the other because of their views.. If one thinks that the other could do better then they should shut up and do it themselves.. no need for the bashing… that is what ticks me off about people.. the time they take to bash another can be spent on something more uplifting.. but I guess everyone wants their OPINION to be law and valid.. heard from the mountain top.. praised and loved…. when the truth is.. NO ONE gives a rats a@@ about the other man’s opinion.. at least they should not…. do what ya to TP.. do what ya do SL… both paint an accurate pic of someone’s life.. each life or portrayal is worth no more or no less than the other.. aint no competition is GOD’s realm.. lol..peace
lol ok im not perfect–that should have been a 4-5 figure monthly allowance–lol–between 7-10 k
I think that both spike lee and Tyler Perry show parts of the black community. be happy for one another. keep doing the great jobs that you guys do.
I just seen the full interview and Tyler Perry recognizes that his films do not speak to ALL black people. And everyone on this site trying to look down on the brother should recognize that too.
What is the real coonery is that Spike being a CRAB ***** ***** putting down another brother calling his work “coonery” when he put an actual minstrel show in his movie (I guess none of you booshie ***** *****s want to talk about Bamboozled and how it BOMBED at the box office for the same reason he is acusing Tyler of. Coonery)
If the Knicks didn’t play the Lakers, how often would you see Spike Lee? Spike is crabbing with that statement. When he was coming up he was in all his movies playing Mars Blackmon, which definitely didn’t represent the common black male figure. So why is Tyler Perry obligated to be the “good” negro? He’s playing a character that draws individuals to his films and plays with cash in hand. If it didn’t appeal to people they wouldn’t buy it, and I don’t see why he should stop if it is bankrolling his business. That Medea money helped people in New Orleans after Katrina. And another thing, why do black producers and filmmakers have to always have characters and plotlines that represent black people you know? When Jim Carrey did Dumb and Dumber, white people weren’t complaining that they didn’t know white people who acted like that. When Adam Sandler played The Waterboy, white people didn’t say “oh look – he’s degrading white people…” Entertainment is just that- entertainment. It’s not always an agenda to push. Let the man just do his job and keep employing black actors. The paper they are getting may provide opportunities for the youth going to acting cl*****es that their single mother struggled and paid for. It just may be the reason why we find the next Denzel or the next Spike Lee. Let a brother do good and recognize…
Ben
Well it is “coonery”. That’s the truth of the matter.
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What is a “coon?” A word that white folks made up to try and say that something was wrong with us. If a white man said you smelled gross, you’d believe that too. So how is something “coonery” when that was a bull***** made up word in the first place?
Painting on black faces and drawing big lips and fake booties HATIN’ because they dont have it and NOW they’re tanning, lip injections, and booty shots!
If anybody is a “coon” it’s the people who actually started seeing the blacks as “coons” just cause a white man said it. BI1111tch.
When Spike makes as much money as Tyler, maybe I’ll listen to him.
Money Talks.
Spike MAY have a point, but in my opinion Spike seems to be a little bit jealous because he’s been one of the biggest African American film producer for years, and ever since Tyler Perry stepped on the scene with his Madea character, he blew up. A lot of people love Madea, I mean Tyler adds more to his Madea series than just “a movie.” He also adds some comedy in it, and if you ever stop and actually WATCH the film he also puts morals into some of the things that Madea or the other characters in his movies say. Tyler has become very much successful, and he’s getting bigger each and every time someone buys his DVD’s, the television networks plays his shows on tv, someone posts blogs about him negatively or positively. He also seems like he knows how to stay strong and get through the negativity that always comes with a celebrity, because he knows that people are going to “hate” on him. Spike is one of those people. Even Samuel L tried to put some sense into Spike’s head to let him know he DOES NOT speak for every black person on this planet. He’s just ONE PERSON, and to me it sounds more or less like Spike is just mad because he fell off the charts a little bit as a film director. His best film was Boyz N The Hood, and i think he might have directed Menace II Society too not sure. Tyler’s the new thing now, and people are attracted to what’s newer, and hotter so i think Mr. Spike Lee needs to just get over him self and let Tyler get that shine.
@ 6am is a house negro,
What you typed doesnt make any sense whatsoever, and the fact that you typed it under fake name means youre a coward.
Dont think for a second Emmitts films arent harmful, this man has the means to make an oscar worthy film featuring the stories of “real” black people, but he chooses not to do this because; Emmitt feels his fan base, that would be ya’ll are too stupid to understand whats going on up on that screen!
All you can understand is “Madea, Madea shooting up the neighborhood for laughs, Madea cursing, crackheads, drunks, drug dealers, fat women *****in’ liteskin *****s, disobedient kids, jail, jokes in jail, evil darkskin men and a god message in the middle of the movie. Thats how stupid he thinks you are.
So keep going to see the warmed over ***** Emmitt keeps selling you, to him youre nothing more than ignorant ***** sheep too stupid to get out of your own ways.
Missjazzunique,
spike lee made “inside man” and the upcoming “inside man 2″ two excellent movies starring Denzel Washington, someone who would never parti*****te in an Emmitt Perry coonfest….
@ mizzjazzunique,
you mentioned Samuel L. Jackson, let me explain something to you, Sam, will smith, forrest whitaker, don cheadle and a host of other A list black actors went on record saying they’d never appear in an Emmitt Perry piece of ***** (my language) and guess why? Because Emmitt Perry makes movies for the stupid!
I agree with Spike. I can’t watch the tv shows. Hideous.
Their beef has to do more of the differences between the north and the south. I’m from NY and know body I knew was talking about the next Taylor Perry movie. But when I moved to Maryland it was a different story.
3 times X
Let’s see…if TP is making millions off of his shows because people can relate to them then, that means maybe, millions of people can relate, right…it’s okay to not want to be all the characters in his movies or any of them…but the truth is if anyone including Spike can even make mention to mistrel shows or use the word “coonery” in a sentence says we haven’t come far at all…just do your research and if you are all that of a scholar then you most definitely would not let those words roll off of your tongue especially when referring to anyone black.
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Oh MY God!!! I like you.
We are the only race that destroys each other in the media. Fu**ing idiots…
rhoda
@6am
You have your opinion, so what suggestions do you have to hire Blacks in the industry and work for yourself and not depend on the White man telling you what to do, how much you will earn, or how you should look in order to do it?
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Damn girl are you a LAW-yuh???
lol *lawyer…
***** Spike Lee. He said NOTHING as Hip Hop and Ghetto culture destroyed black america. I want to meet spike lee in person to tell him off.
I just watched the full Emmitt Perry interview on urban direct, OMG what kind of softball questions were those, I now know Emmitt had final approval before that ***** aired. That was like an Emmitt Perry version of “cribs”
No follow up questions, no questions about the way he treats his black employees, no questions about hiring or promoting better black writers or directors, nothing! That ***** was nothing more than an Emmitt Perry love-in.
@ Silken,
You’d be a fool to think a white man (jews) arent telling Emmitt Perry what to make. Let Emmitt Perry put one thing in his film about the jewish owners of all those “pay-day loan stores” on every corner in black neighborhoods and see if that ***** ever see’s the light of day!
Stop being *****in’ stupid.
@ Chaka,
what would you tell spike? leave Emmitt alone because some people love seeing blacks portrayed as ignorant buffoons?
Next time let a more seasoned reporter interview Emmitt Perry, an investigative reporter, not some dude that 60 minutes hired to fill what looks to be a much softer version of the magnificent late Ed Bradley. Ed asked Michael jackson all the right questions “what about those kids in your bed michael”?
Spike has more than a point he has a *****ing knife. But he could have found a better venue to talk about it though.
Spike’s movies are not for every person of color and Tyler’s movies are not for everyone either. They each have a separate lane. I guess with all the buzz about this Tyler/Oprah movie the lanes may get crossed.
Bye ya’ll, you can have your room back, Im going to dinner.
love 6am, genius!
and one more thing, Miracle At St. Anna bombed because it was like 4 hours long “war” with hardly any action, it was just not “THAT” good
Sasha Baron Cohen is the actor who plays Borat, Bruno, and Ali G, you don’t see Robert Deniro out there *****ting on him do you?
Spike played himself with this one
1/2 amazing,
Again Borat, Bruno and Ali G are all satire, youre supposed to think they’re stupid!
Emmitt Perry does his ***** as drama, really ignorant ghetto drama!
Another thing, “Cohen” is a british jew and robert deniro aint! You’ll never see jews downing anything that makes money………..unless it shows jews in a bad light, then you aint gonna see the ***** at all!
get a clue!
I need all you Emmitt Perry worshippers to stop being so *****in’ gullible!
bye all!
“He’s just ONE PERSON, and to me it sounds more or less like Spike is just mad because he fell off the charts a little bit as a film director. His best film was Boyz N The Hood, and i think he might have directed Menace II Society too not sure.”
I have to point out that John Singleton — not Spike Lee — directed “Boyz N the Hood.” The Hughes brothers directed “Menace II Society.”
Speaking of Singleton, “Rosewood” is a must-see movie based on an actual historical tragedy. It was excruciatingly painful to watch, but it’s part of our history.
“Why can’t we think outside the damn box! Science-fiction or maybe some sort of thriller, or mystery?”
I think a film adaptation of one of Octavia Butler’s novels would be very interesting. I would like to see a sister director, such as Kasi Lemmons, tackle such a project. I would have greatly preferred Ms. Lemmons to have helmed Perry’s next production, “For Colored Girls Who Have Considered Suicide When the Rainbow Is Enuf.” I just have the sinking feeling that this Tony-nominated play is going to be turned into another Chitlin’ Circuit masterpiece.
HERE’S THE DIFFERENCE, TYLER PERRY PLAYS AND MOVIES ARE FOR THE PEOPLE WITH LOWER IQ’S AND SPIKE LEE’S MOVIES MAKE YOU THINK, IT A RESON WHITE PEOPLE LOVE TYLER BUT HATE SPIKE ,TYLER STUFF IS WHAT THE WHITE USE TO MAKE IN THE 20′S-60′S MAKING FUN OF BLACK PEOPLE , SPIKE LEE’S MALCOM X,Do the Right Thing (1989) ,Get on the Bus (1996) ,4 Little Girls (1997) ,A Huey P. Newton Story (2001) (TV),25th Hour (2002) , All the Invisible Children,”When the Levees Broke: A Requiem in Four Acts” ,Miracle at St. Anna ,HAVE A DEEPER MESSAGE HERE’S SOME OF SPIKE’S NEW MOVIES HE’S WORKING ON,L.A. Riots,Untitled James Brown Biopic,Time Traveler ,Now the Hell Will Start ,Untitled Michael Jordan Do*****entary ,Inside Man 2, NOTICE IN HE NOT DEGRADING BLACK PEOPLE OR PLAYING INTO THE STEREOTYPES.ANOTHER THING TYLER PERRY WILL NEVER WIN AN OSCAR FOR ANYTHIUNG BECAUSE EVRYONES THINKS HE’S A JOKE. I LIKE ICE CUBE MOVIES MORE THAN TYLER PERRYS AND CUBE DID IT BEFORE PERRY (FRIDAY)
All of TP’s movies are not coonery/buffonery…for example, “A Family that Preys”. It was a total departure from the Madea series. If the Madea series are SOOOO awful, why are people constantly asking TP to make another Madea movie?? Spike Lee is a GREAT director/producer but how many people can relate to the “upper middle cl*****”?? Aren’t there some common, down to earth, ’round the way folks who still drink Kool-Aid out of those pickle jar gl*****es??? LOL Madea represent these folks AND plus she’s funny & talk COMMON SENSE.
“and one more thing, Miracle At St. Anna bombed because it was like 4 hours long “war” with hardly any action, it was just not “THAT” good”
I guess the village m*****acre scene wasn’t enough “action.” It was more than enough for me.
Every film doesn’t need car crashes and gun fights or puerile jokes to be effective. There are more cerebral movies that engage viewers mentally and psychologically. I know there is a strain of “anti-intellectualism” among some of us, but it doesn’t hurt to actually be immersed in a compelling plot and dialogue.
@Its6amHoGetOut Resident Genius, you were waiting for my opinion so here it is……..
U really should back off of Emmitt. That movie he made “The Family That Preys” was an example of his cross-over attempt because it had quality actors and a decent script. Just let that man live (which I know will be hard for U) because he deserves it. He was broke enough to live in his car in the past so I’m sure he’s seen a ton of sh*t…let him live as a “high-roller” now.
Stay cool Hawaiian guy
Meet the browns maybe…but House of Payne and Madea not so much. Meet the browns is straight coonery. That show needs a lot of changing and rearranging and the actors on House of Payne need acting coaches.
“Spike Lee is a GREAT director/producer but how many people can relate to the “upper middle cl*****”??”
Actually, more people than some may think. After all, there were certain individuals who said that the Huxtables were also “unrealistic,” but the depiction of an upper middle-cl***** family headed by two college-educated, professional parents was seen as ordinary by a number of African Americans living similar lives.
Miracle at St Anna’s bombed because its a spike lee film. Spike’s not the typical Hollywood drone. He goes against the grain all the time. Tylor Perry is more successful because he puts out around two movies a year…thats why theirs no substance. I thought that Miracle at St Anna’s was one of Spikes better films.
@ Its6amHoGetOut
Errr. Are you out of work? You seem to be very bitter.
Spike …please! As if “She Gotta Have It” is a do*****entary!! If a caucasian makes a comedic/drama movie that depicts stupidity- then it is funny! Here it is a black man that creates a character that a lot of people find entertaining, then it becomes coonery and buffoonery! Spike how about you ” Do the Right Thing” and allow Tyler to create and hone his craft! Why are we always pulling each other down… I have yet to see Steven Spielburg and Ron Howard agonizing over what the other is or isn’t doing. Spike… stop being an idiot!
@6am
What I would tell Spike? “The greatest form of coonery is when prominent black americans use the media to air their dirty laundry and bash each other. We are the ONLY minority that does this consistently. If you have a personal problem with Tyler Perry, then speak to him personally.”
All of the TP movies are stereotypical except Why did I get Married. There are no original characters in his movies.
While most of Spike’s female characters in his movies are degrading to women.
Thank you abideintruth. Proper Negroes get so caught up in how white people may perceive us that they forget silly characters have been all over the tv in all forms. If TP wasn’t around white people still think what they will if they are ignorant. TP does not claim to represent all black people but there is a large majority that relate to and enjoy his films. Let people relax a little. If it doesn’t speak to you don’t see it. He is building power and employing alot of people. Me, I’m giving TP a break a moment but I’ve enjoyed some of his movies.
Sad. We only have 2 blacks making movies and spike had to go off on tyler.
i’ve lost all respect for spike.
will not support his movies.
Also, Tyler is positive, following Jesus, has love and always a good underlying story. What else would you want????
Sydney, you had me laughing when you were making the corrections above. God love ya, girl. You’ve got the patience of JOB.
@Awwwwshaddaaap!!!!
“Sydney, you had me laughing when you were making the corrections above. God love ya, girl. You’ve got the patience of JOB.”
LMBAO, how are you? I just couldn’t let those two “hood” flicks be attached to Spike. The cinephile in me just couldn’t. I know Spike and John are both black, but the similarities end there. . .
[...] of Payne as coonery and buffoonery. Tyler Perry responded to Spike’s comments in his interview on 60 Minutes which airs tonight at [...]
i think mr lee is taking this too far, this is terrible why try to bring another man down because of his creativity. there are many faces of african american people and tp characters happen to be an honest view of some of them. be honest alot of other races should be too, all white people are not sophisticatedm they are just afraid to reveal it in their movie characters i say tp keep doing you it is up to black people to believe and know we are better than some of these characters but also know that if we know people like these characters that is not all bad either
Please don’t even compare TP to Spike. TP has his niche but that’s it. Spike Lee is one of the greatest directors ever white or black. TP is *****ed because deep inside he knows it’s true – but more power to him, make that money and do whatever makes you successful.
lol hes the reason white people don’t need to make fun of black people. Tyler Perry does a good job by himself. lol like a stupid ***** he is.
him and dat fat ***** Monique. “hi Mr. Ovalvee”
To Mr. Lee STFU! The only reason you’re sharing your opinion on Mr. Perry’s work is because you want a little attention. If you’re so worried about “coonery and bufoonery,” how about the crabs in a barrel mentality you’re perpetuating with your public criticism of a fellow black director’s work? Why can’t you just agree that his works are different from yours? More profitable, definitely, but different just the same.
WELLL FIRST OF ALLL SPIKE???? U HAVE BEEN WHERE??? EXACTLY KEEP TAKIN YA NAPZ…DONT BE MAD CUZ TP IS OUT THERE GETTIN HIS MONEY AND HAVING HIS RANKINGS UP SOMEWHERE U HAVENT BEEN..NOW AS FOR HOUSE OF PAINS IS ONE OF THE BEST SITCOMS EVERRRR SINCE THE WAYANS BRO. BEEEN ON…S0O0O SPIKE GO UNDER THAT ROCK WHERE U BEEN..NEVER BEEN A FAN OF URS AND NEVER WILL LIKE YOUR WACK!!!!!..LOL I THINK HE’S FEEN’N FOR SUM ATTENTION THATS WHAT IT IZ….
na na:
not all blacks believe in jesus dear.
I really don’t care..all I know is that Spike Lee needs to calm his little nerves down because WE KNOW HE’S HERE, he doesn’t have to start calling people out like a High School teenager and start going all hysterical, because to me it looks like he just wants people to see his face. We done seen Spike’s face so many times, now Tyler P came in this game and it’s time for him to make some headlines, win some awards, and get some recognition. Spike had done his share, he should just sit in a rocking chair and start knitting a sweater and call it a day.
While Spike may be a good film director, Tyler Perry is also doing his thing. Looking forward to seeing more from him.
Tyler keep doing what you are doing. Spike is just jealous because his days are over. The only movie that I could remeber seeing that Spike made was “Do The Right Thing” That just goes to show that Spike days are over. TP has came a long way, Spike need to stop hating so much and come up with an idea so that people could talk about his movies. Spike Lee probably saying all of this to get some ATTENTION.. So what if TP is gay or maybe he isn’t, that’s his life. Tyler Perry is “Blessed and HIGHLY Favored”
I think that Spike should spend time making the movies he likes and let Tyler do his thing. I am black and I see coons and buffornery every day from my people; with their pants hanging under their ***** (fact is fact). Also, those of you who are downing Tyler are both confused and hypocritical. How can you talk about him, yet you spend time on Bossip? Bossip isn’t the most intellectual read out there (sorry Bossip). Often the articles and comments are stereotypical, yet you continue to read it. Be careful where you cast stones people.
I think both Spike Lee and Tyler Perry are great directors. Personally I know someone like all of Tyler Perry’s characters in my family…do i consider my family members coons or bafoons hell no!But they are for real. Spike Lee is not the only one who can tell a story. Why is it that white boys can do super silly stupid ***** and another white boy isn’t hating on him?Y in 2009 are black successful men hating on each other.Sit down Spike Lee and miss us all with that bullshiat!
smh
who gives a *****
To:Silken Dove
Spike Lee is hating!! I love both of them, but spike lee was the oene who introduced me to black violence seeing people drug dealing and *****. Sit down Sike just because Tyler is banking you should be happy a black man is banking, and trying to work with him!
Not ALL black fokes want to change their culture 100% all the time, and what I love about black folks is that we have our professional side, and our full blown black heritage side, and most of us embrace both! As for “coonery” or whatever, people like that put food in YOUR mouth, so don’t try to diss them now!
My response,from a Non-America Black(foreign Black).
I don’t like Hypocrites either and Spike Lee comes across as one.There are people who are banking by selling drugs,so is that ok too? Just because someone is banking,it doesn’t mean that they deserved respect.
I don’t think Tyler Perry is talend at all,all his movies are pretty much the same.The problem with American Blacks is that you have no culture per say.
You said:Not ALL black fokes want to change their culture 100% all the time, and what I love about black folks is that we have our professional side, and our full blown black heritage side, and most of us embrace both
My question to you is what do you mean by Black culture? do you mean American Blacks culture? because thats not my culture.
I don’t have a Madea in my family and neither do I ahve family members in jail.I dont think being uneducated,loud,ignorant and not having self-respect as being my culture.
Do you wonder why immigrants who comes to America dislike American Blacks? because of that disgrace culture you are so proud of.I’m sorry not all people of African descent embraced your culture.We understand there are bad apples in every group.The issue with the Black American community is that you applaud bad behaviors.You called Blacks who are educated,uncle toms,to me that is very disturbing.I don’t see any other group of people embraced ignorance as much as the American Black community.
Why not speak English properly? You are still speaking the White man’s language,so why not speak it properly? it would be more to your advantage.
I understand you want to rebel against Whites but it is hurting the Black American community more.
You called yourselves African-Americans but you know nothing about African history?
Professional educated Black Americans are not appreciated in their community and why is that?
It seems it’s only ignorant,uneducated Blacks that are appreciated.
Btw behaving like untamed animals is not 100% Black culture,so please educate yourself.
If some of you knew the true history of what is now called Africa now,you wouldn’t embraced such behaviors.
I mostly see only the negative side of Black Americans on tv and why is that? why not more postive characters?
Do you know as foreigner I don’t befriended American Blacks and you know why? I don’t like the streotypes and the characteristics of the Black American community.
Again I speak 3 languages,English being my fourth,so my writing may not be perfect but hope you understand my point.
When you think having an education,having cl***** and manners is a White thing,it’s sad.You are pretty much saying that Whites are superior and Blacks are dumb,untamed animals,think about it.
I like Tyller Perry and I think he is doing a good work, all you haters can take a rope and go hang
if you dont like it then why are you watching it in the first place?
come on guys “MEET THE BROWNS” enough said
spike is dead wrong on this one and needs to apologize for calling TP a coon
@ ForeignBlack – Just a question, no animosity or venom in it: Why are you reading Bossip if foreign blacks dislike American blacks so much?
Your comment was interesting as hell thanks for sharing b/c I’ve wondered about the dislike…I’ve felt it before from foreign blacks and wondered what it stems from. You gave a little insight – a bit smug, but insight just the same.
I feel that there is room in our community for both Spike Lee and Tyler Perry. I wish that the two gentlemen would sit down together with coffee or tea and just talk film producer to film producer. I think that would help them to respect each other as artists and peacefully agree to disagree and who knows- there might be a future collaberation.
I hate Madea and Meet The Browns. Spike is right.
It seems to me that Spike is jealous about Perry’s success. Perry’s movies represents his experiences from the Deep South. If anyone is from the South, more than likely they have a family member or had experience with someone like Madea. It’s really funny because everytime there’s a successfully independent African-American entrepreneur,there’s always another person of color to make inappropriate, denigrating comments, which bode back to the “crabs in a barrel” mentality. As a people, we’ve come way too far for this nonsense. You would never hear the Jewish community make such nonsupportive comments to the majority press! Spike shame on you!
once again we have the Willie Lynch theory!
I don’t know I’m kinda on the fence with this one. Sometimes i feel Spike may have a point but on the other hand when we had positive show’s back in the day like the Cosby Show negro’s were saying that wasn’t realistic but tyler’s tv show house of payne to me is a prime example of coon like behavior(The Father) and not mention the Character brown.I will say this with the exception of denzel washington all of our black male actor’s have either played gay characters or have worn a dress in film.What’s up with that!!!!!
I’m tired of getting dragged in to Tyler Perry movies by my fiance. It’s the same rehashed stuff over and over. Now I did go see the last one because Adam Rodriguez from CSI: Miami was in it. His movies follow a formula:
1.Black woman has issues
2.Evil black man is keeping her down somehow.
3.Madea tells some lame jokes and stuff
4.Black woman gets “saved” by another dude.
5.Someone starts singing.
6.The end.
Spike has a point but at the same time I believe he is jealous of Tyler and his huge success and vision. Tyler is very talented and this his form of entertainment and Spike has his. Tyler has his own studio and he seems to have much control over his work, which alot of african-americans in that business don’t, that’s power. This is were we miss the mark. You may not like Tyler’s brand of entertainment but if you have a project, tv show etc want done, I think it be good to go to Tyler first and support his studio. As a people we don’t come together when we should we don’t support one another. Me personally, I can’t stand the Mr. Brown character, he is a clown but our stories are diverse and as long as there is a balance of our experiences being presented and supported by our own, I don’t have a problem with Tyler’s work. Everybody has or known a Madea.
I don’t think Spike Lee is jealous, just disappointed that black people in 2009 embrace ridiculous coonery. It is what it is… If I never see another black man dressed as an black woman (overweight, ignorant, bad attitude & the rest of the normal stereotypes) I would be the happiest person on earth. TP’s Madea movies need to stop. Honestly, I thought that was going to happen until this last one popped up. Guess he will hold onto Madea for insurance. TEAM SPIKE!!!!!
Preach Tyler!!!! When was the last time Spike had a movie that did anything close to what Tyler has done? I understand Spike and his need for straight college educated, scholarly, P.H.D., type of substance but what Spike needs to understand is that a lot of people in our community can’t relate to the way Spike delivers his messages. And I’m not saying we’re dumb or stupid I’m just stating what’s real. I loved Spike’s move Bamboozled and tear up when I watch it sometimes but when I asked other people about it they said they really didn’t understand it and more than that that it was just stupid. In my eyes that’s one of his better works and one of the ones that’s more easily understandable. However, it’s much easier to relate to a Tyler Perry movie for so many different reasons. They are both great and I think there is room in Hollywood for the both of them. Instead of Spike hating (’cause that’s exactly what he’s doing) on Tyler, he should jump onboard like Bossip said and let’s go full steam ahead and make a difference.
The difference in what is happening with TP now is his plays were attended by mostly blacks and now the TV shows and movies are attended by all. Reality is reality and I think Spike is wrong, and acting like a crab yes a crab which is why so many blacks don’t get as far as they should and can because of CRABS. If Spike had concerns about TP’s work he should have been MAN enough to go to him and discuss his feelings not to the media who only see’s us in a negative light. Spike has put the stamp on the rumors we as blacks just can’t get along or agree on anything. SPIKE WAS WRONG !!!!!
SMH ..
Go head Spike!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! No dis to Tyler but Spike is right!
Spike is plain jealous. And he got that short man complex too.
It bothers me that Spike can talk about Tyler but he cant speak out on Flavor of Love, I love New York, Ray J and even Real House of Atlanta. It’s not like Spike movies portrayed us in good lights ex. Girl Six, Jungle Fever, an She Got to have it. Now I have to admit House of Payne and Meet the Browns can be a little better but to call if bafonery and coonery is a little extreme. Why when blacks do poor comedy it’s bafoonery and coonery but when whites do poor comedy it’s just poor comedy. This is not the first time Spike had to be put in his place Samuel L Jackson had to check him once before.
What about the roles that the Waynes put out, so there are alot people that he could talk about other Tyler.
Why is it for years that we asked for more black producers and writers in hollywood that write diverse roles for blacks then we good one we complain, then we complain that they are no black actors and actresses then we get some we still complain. Rather than calling him out why didn’t he pull him to the side and voice his concern so that does seem like the crab mentality not because he has a different view but because how he went about it.
Tyler Perry recently sent a group of children to Disney World after they were refused entry into a local swimming pool. When has Spike Lee made a generous gesture like that recently?
How can you hate on someone that bring realness, struggle, comedy, and god all wrapped up in one movie?
SPIKE DOES NOT EVEN TOUCH ON THE SUBJECT OF gOD AND BLACK COMUNITYT. T THE LAST MOVIE HE HAD THAT RELATED TO YOUNG FOLSLK TO GET THEM DO ANYTHING WAS SCHOOL DAZE.
SPIKE BEEN RUBBING ELBOWS WITH WHITEY TOO LONG. HE IS OUT OF TOUCH. YEAH IN SOME SENSE MADEA IS BAFOONERY BUT IF SHE CANGET A POINT ACROOS SO BE IT..
tylers movies only appeal to a certain kind of church going man, or a man, trying to bone a church going girl. get your money, but it is coony. hollywood, puts strong brothers in dresses, Tyler did it for himself. Its not merely about bread, and success. you have a man abused by another man, with homo tendencies, wearing a dress in the movies and he is supposed to be celebrated whole hartedly? he has the black churches support, i expect his theaters to be packed. its time to expand. there is no excuse now. you have a huge facility, write something in it, that doesnt require your big ***** to wear a dress!
I do not watch TP sitcoms and though I have enjoyed 1 or 2 Madea films, that got old and boring for me. With that said, I think Black people put way too much pressure on Black public figures to represent our ENTIRE race.
TP is one man with his perspective, so his work reflects how he views the world. We can’t expect him to be the directorial voice of every Black theme. He can’t tell every story nor cover every genre in films. So really what Spike should be saying is that Hollywood can use more representations of the Black world through accepting and supporting the works of other black film makers. To expect that one man is accountable for delivering every relevant experience within our communities is absurd.
Art forms should be as diverse as the individual, expression is unique. TP delivers over the top satirical humor, and while that shucking & jiving slap-stick humor does not appeal to me, there is obviously and audience for it so who is Spike or anyone else to try to censor that work? Spike has his delivery form and TP has his. Laughter is cathartic and sometimes people just want to watch something so ridiculously silly because it’s easy on the brain. Spike did work that was stimulating and socially aware and that was great, we needed that and we still do, but did we grow tired of his do the right thing, school days, mo’ better blues type films? NO!! It was appreciated as the work that came from his creativity.
TP does not need to change what works for him, there are people that enjoy it. If we want diversity in our programming and cinemas, then we should support aspiring and independant Black filmmakers who will each deliver something different. One Black man can’t do it all and we shouldnt even concede to the idea that we can only have one successful Black director, we need more!! You never hear white people complaining that Steven Speilberg or Quentin Tarantino always directs the same type of films… That is bc there are so many white directors that they have a very comprehensive catalog of genre in films… Do we expect TP to direct Action, Sci-FI, Drama, Comedy, Do*****entary, and Thriller films? That’s like saying we only want to hear Beyonce singing R&B music!! We are limiting our interests to the expression of one person. Why do you think there are so many rappers? Some of the more successful artists are each good but deliver something in their own way, so Jay Z, Nas, Common, Kanye, TI, Outcast, Wu- Tang and others all have their respective place in that art form, TP should have his without the expectation to do it all. I am not the cook, maintenance woman, receptionist, manager, accountant etc at my job…
Spike really lost me on this one bc for all the time he has spent in this industry, he should know that the real problem is not the lack of diversity in TP’s work, but a lack of opportunities for Black film makers in hollywood to offer us the variety whites get to enjoy…
This is the problem in the black community.HATE for one another and what we have accomplished. Black people hate on one another so much it’s riduculous. Spike has his type of movies, Tyler has his. Differences are what make the world interesting. And, quiet as it’s kept we all know someone or have ran across people like Madea and Mr. Brown. TP’s movies have messages. They make you laugh, they make you cry. He does it in a way that works for him. Spike does his in a way that works for him. We just need to stop the hate when one of us is doing good. Spike made a do*****entary about Hurricane Katrina, but did he help? The do*****entary was excellent and I loved it. Tyler actually went down there and got his hands dirty.
There are pros and cons on both sides, but when the day is done, they are both contributing information about our community and are letting people see the postive side of US as a people. For the first time in our history in film and tv our story is being told. Black actresses and actors are getting roles. Please, stop complaining. It’s damn if you do, damn if you don’t. This is why some black folks can’t get anywhere because they are too busy hating on another. Stop the insanity please!!!!!!
@Bohemian Chick…HAVE THIS TRIP TAKEN PLACE YET? IF SO, when?
I can’t watch anything Tyler Perry does. I cannot relate. Coonery? I don’t know but definitely embarr*****ing.
hmmm…If a character in a movie is enough to make someone think a certain way about all black people then that person has a weak, ignorant mind anyway. I like Spike’s movies, but I also like Tyler’s movies (not his shows though). Tyler does bring more comedy in his movies, but Madea isn’t the only character in them. He has smart, successful people in his films too. It really breaks my heart to see how we black people tear each other down. Each of these men have their own approach to movie-making, and it’s just evil to try to discredit someone else to make yourself look better. Do your own thing, and stop worrying about someone else. Tyler does have some repetitive stuff in his movies but he also has some good story lines and good messages in his movies as well. What about his themes on the importance of family and being there for them even through the hard times, the power of God to help overcome situations, the power of love to help heal someone’s heart, and the importance of just doing something to help someone without expecting anything in return. He addresses all of these things in most of his movies, and I think he’s getting these messages out there in his own way. People are always so focused on negativity, they never stop to see the positive. It just isn’t right how we cut one another down. Let’s get it together people.
Stop Hateing Spike support your brother!
Why are people saying that Spike is wrong or that he is hating? Spike been getting money, has gotten money, and is still getting money. If it were about money on notoriety, he already has that. If he’s never presented himself as a man only concerned with the superficial aspect of Hollywierd, he would have already displayed that attitude. I think its money of, “Why do we have to resort to that type of comedy t sell?” Don’t complain when the negative stereotypes surface. I wouldn’t go as far as to say the Tyler Perry’s style/genre of comedy sets us back but I do think it perpetuates the negative view of our community. TRUTH; Funny or not. Personally I liked “House of Pain” when it first aired then it started getting coonish as hell. “Meet the Brown” is way to over the top for me. Furthermore, white people have all types of individuals in their community as well but you don’t see them putting that image to the forefront do you? They exist in our community but should someone like Brown with all of his incorrect grammar, slave vernacular, and his coonish behavior is only what is seen or presented by us as a people? What other shows to we have that doesn’t either makes us look foolish or continuously display us in a subservient role? Y’all tell me!
Yes Spike Lee does have a point. I’m not mad @ Tyler for making his money but hi material is outdated and it is coonery. It’s funny and depressing. Everyone of his movies has someone being raped, molested, someone on crack, beaten by there man, abandoned kids jeeeeeeesh. It’s unfortunated that he has a wide audience and his films don’t have creative substance. And dammit its too many things going on at once.
What’s funny is that the people on here complain about the Tyler Perry movies and the way black people are portrayed, but last check at my family reunion I saw about 20 Tyler Perry-ish characters in it and them some…
TYLER PERRY IS A *****GOT HOW U GON BE DRESSED LIKE A WOMAN TALKING ABOUT U GIVING A BIBLICAL MESSAGE?
Deu 22:5 The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman’s garment: for all that do so [are] abomination unto the LORD thy God.
TP IS AN ABOMBINATION!!! AND A *****GOT
@black-a-rifick
I guess Tyler and you will enjoy hell together then. You closeted homo…
Most of Tyler Perry’s movies are for the stupid. All the people on here saying that spike lee doesn’t make good movies really need to have their heads examined! The only good movies that Tyler Perry made are Daddy’s Little Girls and Why Did I Get Married. But those movies didn’t do well because dumb negros didn’t support them. You know why? It’s because that most blacks in the US are trained and taught to only like buffoonery. Anything film that requires us to use our brain, most of us will not support. Thats why spike lee movies will not do as well as Tyler Perry’s Madea. Any movie made by a black producer that is thought provoking will be supported by hollywood or by the people.
***** Spike Lee !!!!
This *****sucker said he didn’t like that his father had a child with a white women but is screaming we got a black president i’m sure he’s knows Obama had a white mother and was raised by his white grandparents. In Spike’s movies Obama would have been the uppity half breed who doesn’t acknowledge his Black side. ***** Spike JIMINY CRICKET MOTHER*****ER.
Meet the Browns is not funny at all. House of Payne grew on me. I definitely do not feel that Madea character is a coon. Tyler Perry movies do have substance, and I am glad that Tyler has made strides to discuss taboo issues in the African American community i.e. incest, molestation, rape, alcoholism, drug abuse, etc. through his films. I must admit that a couple of his movies seem a little redundant. I expected so much more out of The Family That Preys.
I’m not a Tyler Perry Fan. I do not like his plays or any of the, “Mama, I need a man, God is gonna maka way somehow because her man is on the DL plays”.
Truth be told I have never been a fan of Spike Lee either. From reading all the post I learned Spike directed Inside Man pretty good movie. Huxtables, Jefferson, Evans, Browns, etc. it is safe to *****ume we can all relate to these families. I could care less about what type of movies, plays Tyler Perry or Spike Lee produce, direct or finance. My responsibility is to raise my daughter in healthy enviornment. Live my life in a positive manner, show love, receive love and teach love. We can debate coonery & buffonery until the cows come home. If any person is allowing Tyler Perry and Spike Lee films to have that much influence on their view of people, the world, morality, race, love, hate, life and liberties then they are in much need of therapy. Spike is entitled to his opinion, bloggers are entitled to their opinion. TP is entitled to his opinion. At the end of the day it is ENTERTAINMENT!!! I can truly say their huge pockets of intelligence on bossip. Some bloggers write this excellent commentaries, with such p*****ion and conviction. I hope the energy we all spend on this debate we take that same energy to reach one and teach one in a positive and uplifting manner. Love you, do you most importantly be TRUE to you!
Bossip, let me preface what I’m about to say by saying I usually read the comments and stay out of the discussions, but I want to interject. Why is it hating when Spike gave his opinion on something? It bothers me too that all of the movies are the same. Tyler needs to work on developing characters. Black people stop letting people trick you with their bull*****. He throws a few ‘ha mercy’s’ and says ‘Jesus’ a few times to trick the Church people. Cause he’s not making violent movies, he gets a p***** for insulting our intelligence?
People on here talking about how much money Tyler has made. Why does he have to dress like a woman to get paid? So what does it profit a man to gain the whole world and lose his own soul? I live so close to his studio in the A that there arent any red lights in between my house and the lot. How many people from SW Atl or East Point is he employing? Now I give him his props for taking the kids from Philly to Disney, but what about the writers that were protesting about not being paid or given the proper credit for writing on that lame ***** tv show? They stated the reason he moved his joint to the A is to avoid the screenwriters guild. The Union. So what if you employ black people if you treating them like *****s too. And then for the people that say they know someone like Madea and can identify with the characters in the movies. So your grandmother carried a gun, talked stupid and got in high speed chases with the police? That’s some stereotypical Aunt Jemima bull*****. You *****s need to do more reading.
Nevermind the intellect – Spike is straight Hatin cause he did not possess the same ingenuity that TP has with the whole Madea persona. Quite frankly, I never cared for Spike’s twist on cinematography (the halucinogenic effect) he uses. But the best was Crooklyn, and Malcolm X.
GET TO THE POINT! TYLER PERRY HAS A POINT WITHIN EVERY STORY HE TELLS. MOST ARE ABOUT MAKING SOMETHING BETTER OUT OF A BAD SITUATION. NOT LETTING A MAN MISTREAT U. LEANING NOT ON YOUR OWN UNDERSTANDING AND TRUSTING GOD. THAT’S THE MESSAGE HE’S PUTTING OUT THERE FOR ALL PEOPLE NOT JUST BLACK PEOPLE. AND HE’S DOING IT IN A COMEDIC WAY. BLACK PEOPLE(SPIKE LEE) DONT HATE YOUR OWN CONGRADULATE AND PARTI*****TE AND CELEBRATE THE POSITIVE THINGS THIS MAN IS DOING
team SPIKE – I think I’ll make a shirt.
@Amadeo Zeller
Okay *****, just how much money have you spent on Tyler Perry’s movies and plays? I bet you even have the books too, huh? When Perry says that he does Madea movies just to make money to do “better” films, then what he’s saying is that *****s like drama and coonery so he produces bull***** to draw them in. If you have seen more than one of his films, then you are a victim of his bull*****. If you lack the intelligence and insight to understand that, then neither I nor 6am can help you.
@d303
team SPIKE – I think I’ll make a shirt.
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lol. I’ll take 10.
NOTHING AGAINST TYLER, BUT I AM TIRED OF MADEA..REALY TIRED OF BLACK MEN WEARING DRESSES IN THE NAME OF COMEDY.
Just take a look at Housewives of Atlanta. Even though some of these black women are suppose to be upper cl***** with new money, why are they loud, belligerant, ranting and raving, gossiping, backstabbing, lying, pulling hair or choking another (allegedly) in messed up broken relationships, absentee fathers, you name it…it was there. So why is Spike Lee pretending that it doesn’t exist? My Grandmother from the Midwest is a bitter, gossipy, loud, raving Madea who used to be very domineering, abusive and controlling to her husband and family and community alike. It is good to find her meek and feeble these days as she has shrunk with old-age. It is easy to prove Tylers point. Many of us can go undercover with hidden cameras to communities in GA, Mississippi, Texas, Arkansas, Oklahoma, the Carolinas, Alabama, and FL just to name a few and find “The Browns and Madea.” Tyler is speaking from experience. I’m sure that if we were dig in Spike’s (born Shelton Jackson Lee) roots we will find Browns that he shuns and would not invite to a family reunion because he is ashamed of them. Go figure.
Many of us saw “The Browns and Madea” when the Levees Broke in New Orleans and Mississippi. Apparently they serve only one purpose as Spike Lee would see it…for his movie only “When the Levees Broke.” We will recognize and exploit the truth of these people’s plight only if it makes some of us money and offer some more career exposure. How in the world can Spike Lee say these people do not exits? Well, they exist somewhere along the lines of my family as well as Spike’s and Tyler’s. Where there is poverty in southern black America, there are Browns and Madeas alike. Do we go to these poorly educated and impoverished people still affect from the wrath of slavery and say you are a Coon or a Buffoon? That’s what Spike is saying when Tyler has the guts to give these real people a Voice in his Characters.
Many of us saw “The Browns and Madea” on live TV during Katrina or when the Levees Broke in New Orleans and Mississippi. Apparently they serve only one purpose as Spike Lee would see it…for his movie only “When the Levees Broke.” We will recognize and exploit the truth of these people’s plight only if it makes some of us money and offer some more career exposure. How in the world can Spike Lee say these people do not exits? Well, they exist somewhere along the lines of my family as well as Spike’s and Tyler’s. Where there is poverty in southern black America, there are Browns and Madeas alike. Do we go to these poorly educated and impoverished people still affect from the wrath of slavery and say you are a Coon or a Buffoon? That’s what Spike is saying when Tyler has the guts to give these real people a Voice in his Characters.
OKAY SPIKE YOU HAD YO 20 MIN. OF FAME YOUR A HAS BEEN NOW LET SOMEBODY ELSE HAVE THA SPOTLIGHT && I DONT AGREE I LOVE TYLER PERRY’S MOVIES,PLAYS,&& SHOWS SO ***** YOUU =)
You monkey’s are crazy as rat *****. Anytime you jack*****es get a little bit of truth, you run in your “they are hating” hole. Spike Lee been in the game DECADES…that mother*****ka could care less. Tyler isn’t hurting his checks. He makes a valid point. It’s cooning and buffonery. The problem, most of yall are coons. So you can’t see it.
I can’t wait for Why Did I Get Married 2 to come out!
@ Mr. Kush
Spike aint hurting Tyler’s Money and Tyler aint hurting Spike’s. This is all stupid!
Don’t get mad TP. Just look as it as a form of flattery. If Spike got something negative to say about you, then you must be doing something right!
Crabs in a barrel! The man OWNS his studio!! Coonery or not…this is a looong way from Amos and Andy!
Spike may have been in the game for decades, but the problem is in the short time that TP has been it…he has quickly surp*****ed Spike Lee. TP owns all of his work and Studio to boot, much like Oprah. How can a man like Spike with a wife who is an attorney not have the sense in all those decades to own his 40 acres and a mule (i.e., work exclusively and studio)? The truth is in how there incomes rank on Forbes. Tyler has Spike beat already. Trust me, status and income ranking is an ongoing battle even for those who have an exorbitant amount of income already. They need to keep status and ranking and remain relevant. Hence, TP getting love, status quickly approaching the ranking of a self-made Billionaire give pause to Spike. In time, TP will find another ingredient to add to the mix and Lee will have something to say about it as well. Do you Spike Lee and don’t worry about TP. If people enjoy your work, they will reflect it at the box office. You can’t be simply a black man imitating the work that the white man has already done. Most of us see this everyday on TV or at the movies, what’s new? What about us spiritual or church going folks? Where is the white man’s message for black people in those movies? Tyler’s work (movies) has those missing ingredients.
YES SPIKE LEE HAS A POINT!
Is it that much of a shortage of african american woman in hollywood to play a character, than to allow this MAN continously to play the roll.Truth be told he is a coon, and we are too busy laughin at the foolery to notice it. This MAN is dressing as a woman, and not only that is interviews a MADEA, that is the most ridiculous thing. Tyler Perry is a CROSS-DRESSER,no difference between him and Ru-Paul. YUCK!
Tyler Perry= COONERY
His only retort was ‘I’d love to read this to my fan base’. AND??? Its obvious Madea/Meet the Browns is shuck & jive bull***** but Perry doesnt care- He’s just making that paper.
Listen Spike….go sit your sadity ***** DOWN! Spike shows one aspect of black culture, usually NY black culture and Tyler shows another perspective. This isn’t coonery, because these characters in Tyler’s movies do in fact exist. Hell, I have some in my family. The fact of the matter is, Spike Lee is angry at this young successful man who at any given moment can move numbers at the box office and theater plays any day of the week. Whereas Mr. Lee puts out some conscience film with a wack ***** ending and expect black folk to come in droves because it says “directed by Spike Lee”. Um…no it’s not happening. Sometimes I want to be entertained, and just that, entertained. Sometimes I don’t want a damn political or social message from a film I paid 10-15 dollars to see. I wanna laugh damnit and cry and not feel like I want to strangle a white person when I leave the theater(which is usually what I feel when I leave a Spike Lee joint)! Instead of praising TP for being a survivor, an entrepreneur and a billionaire in such a short period of time all the while staying spiritual and grounded, Mr. Lee chooses to publicly hate his brother in race right in front of these white folk. Now that is coonery if you ask me.
Let’s not forget when Spike went at Clint Eastwood for not accurately portraying black soldiers in Clint’s World War II movie. This is why Spike made Miracle at St. Ana (GREAT MOVIE). Spike was asked a question and spoke his mind and most of y’all call it hating? How so? So these days it’s hating to state your opinion. WOW?!?!?…….If you agree or not everyone is titled to thier opinion.
Hey you, how do you feel about Tyler Perry and his movies and plays?
Do you really think you will get all the same answers?
Stop being sheep and lead yourself to water and greener pastures.
2012 The age of enlightenment.
I’ve never met a transgendered grandmother type….EVER! Tyler Perry is coonin’ and he knows it!!! I’m cool on any ministry coming from the mind of a post suicidal, abused, closet homosexual, cross dressing “comedian”! ***** that garbage!
How embarr*****ing and shameful is it that Mr. Lee, one of the few african-american filmmakers in the country would publicly ridicule one of his own? This is just that green-eyed monster rearing its ugly fish-eyed head (sorry, I’m so angry with him for such a trifling move that its made me act a bit childish, too). Its awful that he would make a deliberate statement in an attempt to divide a community already struggling with uniting on so many levels.
Tyler can rest *****ure that had he not posed a threat to Mr. Lee’s over-inflated ego, this would have never happened.
Keep doing what you’re doing Mr. Tyler – most of us have grown to love the characters you’ve created and excitedly await to see what they’ll do next!
On the one hand I totally agree with Spike but I also feel that the way he expressed himself made him to look like a bitter hater. He didn’t even congradulate Tyler on his success – he just rail roaded everything the man has done and that’s not right.
On the other hand when it comes to entertaiment value and quality of acting Tyler needs to step his game up and hire better actors and actresses to be on his tv shows and movies. He also needs to hire better WRITERS for his tv shows because they ARE NOT FUNNY! I quickly lost interest in House of Payne and Meet the Browns because the acting is horrible and they are not funny!
Me personally I don’t want to see coonery on every episode or in every movie he makes. So I guess you can say I agree with Spike but at the same time I’m not going to hate on Tyler’s success either. He just need to bring quality actors and writers to his shows which means he needs to COME UP OFF SOME MONEY so he can hire better actors and writers!!!!!!
I feel Spike might have been a little out of line for that. I think the character of Madea isn’t any more coonish than Shanehneh or Wanda. He scan stop with that bull*****!!!
OMG no I didn’t spell congratulate “Congradulate!” Lord have mercy…..what has come over me????!!!! LOL!
chaka1
@black-a-rifick
I guess Tyler and you will enjoy hell together then. You closeted homo…
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CLOSETED? ***** U LOVE TP THAT MUCH?
PS. IM ALREADY IN HELL
Love
Why have so many of our black comedic male actors resorted to either wearing a dress or take a gay role? Like acting in a gay role or wearing a dress makes you either a better actor or make the role funnier. WHAT? Let’s start a list BOSSIPER’s and maybe you’ll agree with Spike at least a smidge…LOL
Mars Blackmon was pretty coonish if you ask me. Tyler isn’t the first black actor to put on a dress. Does Flip Wilson ring a bell? If not Google him.
@ Bossip is a Hater
Men dressing up as women has allways been apart of theater. Shakespeare plays and traditional Japaneese Operas all have men playing the roles of women. Why do they do it I have no idea. Hollywood is no different. Hell alot of these entertaniers, politician, and athelets cross dress on the regualar. Some like tyler perry, Martian Lawrence, Jamie Foxx, The cast from Too Wong Foo, the whole cast from the Kids in the Hall, and Robin Williams take their drag queen p***** time to the big screen. But Tyler Perry is just playing his role in the media machine.
White Hollywood is far more tolerant of varying forms of entertainment than Black people are. Chevy Chase did Nat’l Lampoons for years and noone held him accountable for the white race. There is Jack Black, Ben Stiller, Adam Sandler and a bunch of other goofball comics who can just go out there and deliver their type of comedy with out white people tearing them down and calling to arms for a socially responsible type of programming. Tyler Perry is making movies, he is not asking to be our social or political leader. People are just so unrealistic with their expectations…
What bothers me is that people are even comparing the two. Spike and Tyler Perry are two totally different artists. We don’t compare Steven Spielsberg and Quentin Tarantino do we? Thats a MAJOR problem in the black community. Can’t deny either of these men for their contributions to pop culture at large. Not African American movies, but AMERICAN movies.
Spike Lee needs to look at his own history; like he has never came out with a stereotypical character. I hate ppl who look at the faults of others before looking at their own selves. Their is HUMOR involved in these stories but they still prove a point.
Meet the Browns and House of Payne are horrible shows by the way not funny AT ALL. But the Madea character is someone people can relate to.
GET OVER IT SPIKE; find something else to moan about… come out with some more movies I almost forgot who u were.
OH on another note…Spike just hatin.
Spike is mad because Tyler is the man of the moment, he has his own studio and all. Spike needs to go and offer to sweep the floors or something to help the brother out.
First Timer
@ Bossip is a Hater
Men dressing up as women has allways been apart of theater. Shakespeare plays and traditional Japaneese Operas all have men playing the roles of women. Why do they do it I have no idea. Hollywood is no different. Hell alot of these entertaniers, politician, and athelets cross dress on the regualar. Some like tyler perry, Martian Lawrence, Jamie Foxx, The cast from Too Wong Foo, the whole cast from the Kids in the Hall, and Robin Williams take their drag queen p***** time to the big screen. But Tyler Perry is just playing his role in the media machine.
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THAT DONT MAKE IT RIGHT THAT ***** IS DEGRADING U SEE D CHAPPELL SAID HELL NO WHEN THEY TRIED TO DO IT TO HIM! COME ON NOW WHERE ARE OUR MORALS THIS ***** IS NOT OKAY!
Spike is entitled to his opinion. However, his comments are disrespectful. My great-grandmother was “Madea”. She was br*****, courageous and loved her family to death. I believe the world could use a few more Madeas here on Earth. TALK TO THE HAND SPIKE!
And Spike doesn’t peddle buffoonery? I present, for the jury’s inspection, article of evidence #1: She Hate Me.
Where is it written that there can only be ONE depiction of black folks? And that a film maker could ONLY show one point of view? I think Madea is hysterical, SO WHAT? And why is it only Bafoonery and Coonery when it comes to us? White folks have the same sort of characters and *****ODY says a word. I don’t want to go see any black movie, where everybody is from the Country Club set! We (black folks) have a HUGE cast of characters, you might NOT like all of them but they ALL are a part of who we are! And TP films ALWAYS have a positive message in them, so Spike needs to chill on this one! And didn’t he make BAMBOOZLED? So he can HARDLY throw the Coonery stone and Tyler.
why is it that when negros are called out for being stupid they say “white people do it to”???? ***** white people are the nastiest most vilest people on the planet earth why would u want to do anything they did?. the best thing an oppressor ever did was get u to act just like him…
CinEffinRella
And Spike doesn’t peddle buffoonery? I present, for the jury’s inspection, article of evidence #1: She Hate Me.
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its a difference between buffoonery and “why” movies she hate me was a Why or wtf? movie. fact is in the near future when your son dresses up like a woman for fun u *****s gon be mad as hell or , maybe ull like it its all a part of the new age agenda anyway im out u *****s are peices of *****!
You missed my point! Who’s to say it’s Stupid? What’s stupid to you might not be stupid to me! And I’m NOT a *****!! I said why is it that they can portay any character they want and *****ody says a word? And as soon as a black person portrays a character that isn’t straight laced or professional, then the film maker is accused of catering to Bafoonery! THAT WAS MY POINT!! And you want to talk about how vile and oprresive the whiteman is, yet you call ME a *****!! WTF? Isn’t that the Opressors word?
Tyler said it’s a bait to draw people in, maybe but at the same time what about those who don’t need to baited. I can appreciate what he is doing but for the black woman whose accomplished and wants to be finally taken serious this can be a set back. I just think we’re overdosed on Madea. The real bait should have been the first plays or moives and now that Tyler has captured the worlds eyes it’s now time to proved the real substance of black folk.
Spike is an a$$!
He need to look at some of the movies he made.
I applaud Mr. Perry, he is giving stuggling Actors and Actresses jobs, also he has done some things that Mr. Lee haven’t done and that’s tapping into 3 different avenues, 1) Theater, 2) Prime Time and 3) The Silver Screen, let’s face it, it’s hard enough to make it being African American, so let’s celebrate his success; When Mr. Lee made his movies with some of his ridiculos lines we still supported him, 1) Girl Got To Have It, 2) Do The Right Thing, 3) Jungle Feaver etc.
TP looks just like The Game.
Anyway, Spike has his opinion but he could have been a little more diplomatic. Intellectual black on black violence is black on black conflict nonetheless. Maybe if he had collaborated with TP a new and improved product would rise. Think and act positively.
@ready, Set Go,
Nice try, but even after watching that bull***** interview you can tell Emmitt Perry is in it for the money, not the quality, not uplifting hood *****s/niggettes, not educating children but just for the money. He makes his product as cheaply as possible, a good script doesnt mean *****, just keep pumpin’ out bull***** to the idiot m*****es who’ll keep comin’ and comin’ back for more.
Emmitt Perry doesnt give a ***** about his “fanbase” he showed you that in the interview, its make this money off madea so i can buy this island so i can be left alone………….To ***** these young black actors who i keep hiring in the *****, because believe me, before Christmas another one of Emmitts 20 something year old actors is gonna come out as gay again. And right around the corner will be Emmitt’s ***** caught on TMZ!
***** Emmitt Perry and his “coon” factory!
And you Emmitt “stans” need to get a clue, he’s mocking your poor *****es!
Oh and heres 10 more questions I wouldve asked Emmitt if I was interviewing his *****:
1. Would you have a problem if I talked with one of your employees?
2. After talking with him/her, can I get it in writing that you wont fire them for being honest?
3. You say you want to eventually buy an Island to escape the paparrazzi, escape from what?
4. If you stopped making movies with madea as a central character do you think your “fanbase” would stop going?
5. How many scholarships have you funded? I mean will smith funds about a million a year and you made four times what he did last year.
6. You never answered my question about “fair wages”, do you think its ok for blacks to be paid less than white counterparts doing the same job?
7. Do you have something against darkskin black men? Im asking because in “all” of your movies darkskin men equal evil and brutality.
8. can you tell me the benefit of “meet the browns” or “house of payne”? Other than its profitable for you and your jewish backers?
9. As Oprah states, youre about to become a billionaire, how do you plan to give back to the poor fanbase who supported you and your product all these years? Are you gonna build a few schools?
10. For what you spent on Oprah and Gale’s Gift of Bentleys, dont you think that money could’ve been better spent on an afterschool computer center for the children of your “fanbase”? I mean I cant think of one multi-billionaire who needs a free car……or her best friend.
Mr. Perry, Emmitt……. Why are you leaving? These are just questions……………..Tyler?
LOL, love 6am genius!
You **********as are “SO” gonna miss me when I’m gone!
ok…….
MR LEE IS *****ED CAUSE HE DIDN’T GET FAR TERRY CAME FROM HARD KNOCK LIFE AND CAME UP AND MR LEE BEEN IN THE GAME FROM SCHOOL DAYS TO WHAT ELSE I CAN’T REMEMBER MR PERRY DOING IS THING MAKING THE PEOPLE LAUGH AND HIS FANS LOVE HIM HE’S BLESS KEEP DOING YOUR THING MY BROTHER AND MR LEE STOP BEING A DAMN HATER
@6am
We should be able to vote posts up! that’s hilarious!
@ Blu Buddafly,
Nothing warms my heart more than acknowledgement of my genius, I 6am thank you.
BUT IM STILL RETIRING 12/31/09 AT 5PM!
love 6am
YOU STUPID *****Z KILL ME. Talking about Madea as a positive character…..
Here is a reminder… She smokes weed, Carries a gun, has a bad temper, claims to have been a stripper, In Meet the Browns all the family had the same daddy and different mama’s. He celebrates prostitutes and crackheads and w*****s in his tv shows and movies, all the black women are weak and need a man to complete them, all the successful people are evil. Madea cant spell or read well, and makes a celebration out of going to jail and committing crime…..
Now are those the positive images you keep refering too with tyler perry?
Stupid azz *****z, Just cuz its funny doesnt make it right.
Just because it makes money doesnt make it right.
White people thought lynching was funny and Crack makes more money that most jobs, so are they right?
Wake up you fvcking simple minded tyler coon perry lovin niggggaaaaazzzzzzz.
P.S. Spike Lee a great director who challanges black people to think and do better. Unlike tyler perry who wants young black men to wear dresses and all the black women to turn it to single, old *****y madea like characters.
Ignored bastaaaaaards
Spike Lee spoke at my university last week. Everything he said was blunty true. The problem with young blacks today is that they want everything sugarcoated. I read some of the responses to this story and many referred to Lee as “mean” and a “hater”. I don’t believe he is either. He is trying to get young black America to wake up and realize that issues that stood years ago still stand today. It’s amazing how many people on here said that race isn’t an issue anymore and race is the only theme in his movies. To anyone that doesn’t believe race isn’t an issue anymore, I welcome you to come to my university. No, the university I attend isn’t a run-down, poor university either. In my opinion, it is a flagship institution. Try being black and showing up late to cl*****. Observe the looks you get. Come to cl***** unprepared and notice the treatment you receive. Yes, whites do those same things, but guess what: what works for them doesn’t work for blacks. We can’t follow under the same path as them. For those of you that said Spike Lee needs to address the exploitation of black women in rap music and shows such as “I Love New York” and “Real Chance of Love”: he addressed those, too. He stated that those shows are not only hindering the world’s view of the black race, but it is lowering what black people also expect out of themselves. Even though I’m in college, I see the blacks here and it’s all about hanging out, partying, and sleeping around. Yes, whites do the same thing, but as I stated before, what works for them doesn’t work for us. Most black people don’t have someone in the know that is going to put in a good word for us even if we didn’t deserve it. In order to fit in with the blacks here you must meet the following criteria: loud, ghetto, hood-ish attitude, dress inappropriate, etc. It’s not enought to be smart and speak correctly because guess what? They call us “white”. No, I don’t think I’m white. I don’t try to be white. Spike spoke how he is tired of blacks calling the blacks that are trying to make it and be successfull “white”. It’s sad that in 2009, everything good is *****ociated with being white. If one honestly believes that speaking correctly and carrying oneself is considered “white”, they don’t deserve anything more than the nearest gutter. Regardless of who does or doesn’t approve, I will become successful. I will not lower my standards. Living in the Deep South, one will *****ume that the most disapproval I receive comes from whites. Actually, the most negativity I’ve ever had thrown towards me has come from black people. If refuse to surround myself with ignorance and negativity. I’m not trying to isolate myself from blacks. I tried to find friendship with blacks, but I wasn’t accepted. The black guys I have tried to befriend were by far the rudest people I’ve ever met. Spike Lee spoke on the frustration he feels with the black community. I feel it too on a daily basis. There aren’t any positive images on television that reflect who I am. Tyler Perry’s ignorant films definitely do not reflect anyone I know personally. For those of you that grew up with people like “Madea” and “Brown”, that’s fine. More than likely, you are the ones that don’t have a problem with Tyler Perry and would prefer him to Spike Lee. I prefer Spike Lee because his movies serve a purpose than just entertaining. His films make viewers reflect on themselves and their community. He shows the flaws and it’s up to the viewer to decide if, how, and when to change.
Perry is coon-tastic, but Spike Lee is pretty much irrelevant to me. The only time he ever comes to mind is when he goes in on someone…like now. How ’bout they both stfu?
For those of you who are saying that whites have ignorant characters and no one is stereotyping the white race as ignorant: congratulations! You just witnessed the first step in the racial divide. Just in case you didn’t know, whites will always turn things in their favor. They can have ignorant characters, but at the end of the day it’s just comedy to them. They don’t have a long history of oppression where the only characters they could play were “coons”. They don’t have a long history of being humiliated and treated like less than a human being. A different standard is held to them. I’m not justifying it, but that’s the reality of the situation. They can do pretty much what they want to and still be considered a decent person (i.e. George W. Bush). On the other hand, there are men like Obama that are over qualified, yet they take the most heat. With that in mind, blacks should be more aware of the films they support. It’s kind of like the statement “You are what you eat”. If you support “coon” films, more than likely you are one. Yes, whites view Perry’s films too and find them hysterical, but as I mentioned before, they have never had to deal with racism. Everything works out for them simply because they are white. They don’t know how it feels. We can even look at it from a historical standpoint. White have shown time and time again that they have no regard for human life, especially when that life is in the form of blackness. They thought slavery was a good idea. They enjoyed raping black girls and women. They laughed when beating, castrating, and/or lynching black men. They have a sick sense of humor. Having a white person laugh at Tyler Perry’s films is almost the same as them doing the afore-mentioned. It’s crude humor to them. I can guarantee you all that they do not view Tylery Perry as a gifted director as some of you all are hailing him. They view him as a Negro that exploits his own people. He obviously already has that brainwashed and controlled mentality. It’s less work for them. He had been “put in his place” a long time ago. Here’s a newsflash to you black people: whites are no longer killing us. They have destroyed the black community’s sense of unity. We now kill ourselves. We are a separated people on the bases of color, hair length,etc. It’s amazing how the U.S. population continues to grow, yet blacks make up 12% of the population. That in itself should speak volumes. It does to me.
This is so typical for one black person to go against another one. Why did Spike Lee feel he needed to tare down Tyler Perry’s movies. I can tell you one thing, since he opened up his big crooked tooth mouth and started this crap. I will never spend another dime to see anything that Mr. Lee touches. Tyler Perry fans stick together tougher than glue. We go to the movie within the first week, Our money add up! We can show old Spike who’s the boss better than we can tell him!
crabs in a barrel, spike’s jealous cuz his career didn’t get the kind of support that tyler’s has
*****z, who love being *****z will always defend Tyler coon Perry because, he makes them feel like its okay to just be and stay *****z.
Black people with sense, understand what spike lee is saying and we really dont have to defend spike because we should never even be comparing Tyler Coon Perry’s Modern day coon show’s with the depth of work that Spike has presented in films like Malcolm X, Mo Betta Blues,Or Do the Right Thang ( which had 2 Academy Award nominations
Tyler Perry has never and will never be nominated for an academy award.
Spike’s works have been nominated 3 times.
So fvck ignored *****z, who love being stuck on stupid by being stuck on Tyler coon show Perry.
I dont understand what everyone is so mad for? If you dont like TP’s stuff, dont watch it! Some folks are calling coon at the wrong things and the other people calling coon are not doing anything to stop the coonery. So be apart of the solution or shut up!
I realise that there is a pattern in all of his movies. I love the diary of a mad black woman, why did i get married.
The others seem to potray a similar story line always a black woman on drugs being abused or something of that nature. Forget black stereotyping how about sexist. Why are all the female character that are sucessful up to no good? Madea was good for the laugh now it is getting old. Madea goes to jail was his absolute worst work in my opinion.
I still love tyler perry.
What really kills me is that some of you that are talking about TP’s films being about coonery and a disgrace to blacks, yet you are using the word *****!! WTF?
We are NOT monolithic, we can like more than one genre and it doesn’t have to be one or the other! It’s just comedy, yall need to chill out, it’s NOT that serious!!
There is a difference between Black people and Ignored *****z.
*****z love Tyler Perry,
Black people prefer movies with substance
*****z also love souja boy and flava of love, and House wives of ATL, sagging pants, fighting in clubs, welfare, hood shyt in general, and love to celebrate ignorance and mess.
Black people strive for better images, education, and opportunity for themselves and their children.
There was a study about which cl***** of people watch what kinds of movies. Guess love and hate of the movies all depends on the part of the spectrum you fall.
Damn this topic has turned into; Educated smart black people who can think for themselves and see through Emmitt Perry’s bull***** vs Uneducated dumb *****s who need to be taught how to breathe!
Im dead serious, your arguments in favor of Emmitt and the re-heated dog***** he keeps selling you doesnt even make sense! Toussaint is right, just because you “dumber” **********as think Emmitts remedial ***** is funny, doesnt make it right, he’s using you and deep down you it and you refuse to do anything about it, thats what makes you so *****in’ ignorant.
love 6am, genius.
Oh and Im still waiting on someone who can explain to me why its ok for Emmitt to charge you full price for a movie ticket, yet pay his employees only a percentage of their white union counterparts. Are black workers worth less than white ones? Judging by Emmitts actions they are, and guess who makes up Emmitts “core demographics”, ignorant uneducated low-wage earners who frequent the “chitlin’ circuit”
He said it, not me!
@ Angryman,
Oops Im sorry, I coulda sworn “I can do bad all by myself” was about child-abandonment, child sexual abuse, alcoholism, bad acting, and since Emmitt Perry has run out of light-skin *****s to act in his films, he’s now moved on to latinos replacing dark-skin black men. Some comedy **********a……..
Stop defending ignorance fool!
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@ Angryman,
Oops Im sorry, I coulda sworn “I can do bad all by myself” was about child-abandonment, child sexual abuse, alcoholism, bad acting, and since Emmitt Perry has run out of light-skin *****s to act in his films, he’s now moved on to latinos replacing dark-skin black men. Some comedy **********a……..
Stop defending ignorance fool!
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Obviously we happen to disagree on this issue. That is NO REASON to call names! I think you are missing the broader point of his films, that said, you can think what you want to think about him and those who happen to like his work. However; talking about how intelligent you are all the while using the word *****, shows your TRUE Intelligence level!!
I have the up most respect for Tyler Perry. Not everyone grew up rich or speaking proper grammar. There are so many people that live there lives like this. Tyler Perry gives back to his people. He gives them changes to act and make money. I feel Spike Lee have a personal problem with Tyler Perry. Spike Lee is ashamed of where he came from and who he really is as a black man. In Tyler Perry movies, He also helps and teaches us about life, marriages, God, and family. You people need to be more open-minded. *Why did I get marry* this movie shows us different problems that marry couples goes threw. It also teaches us, that if you love someone you can always make it work. Never put a man down when he down and out on his luck. If you have a good man/ woman, treat them right. Something that look good is not always what it seem to be.*A dairy of a black woman* this movie teaches us not to praise a man and never put a man before your family or God. When he leaves you, who do you ran back to for help. *Your family* Do not give your life up for a man. It teaches us not to look down on others. Never try to hold on to something that God is trying to remove from your life to bring someone
Better. You people get the point I am trying to make. Tyler Perry movies teach you about life. Spike Lee made a movie almost like Tyler Perry *Do the right thing * His movie had racist and stereotyping different races in it too. I smell a little jealousy going on here. Black people always trying to bring there own race down. What about other movies that been made, stereotyping blacks. It’s no difference, the only thing is: It‘s the white man that’s doing it. That is the only difference. Keep your head up Tyler Perry.
Goodness, it’s comedy darling. No one is saying that these films are standard or blueprint for blacks. Think of all the slapstick comedies whites create. I think Spike is lighting a fire where none need be lit. I find Perry’s films always have an underlying message of redemption. Perhaps dear Spike should stay till the end of the film.
I don’t think Spike Lee is jealous he’s an artist first and foremost. Maybe not as big a money maker as Tyler Perry but it’s obvious he reveres the art of film making. Artist critique each other but always look to each other for inspiration.
I agree it’s time for Tyler Perry to “kick it up a Notch” I now live in the Southeast where people believe a Tyler Perry play is theater. He has a captive audience now and enough money to take a chance get un-stuck and show all kinds of characters with depth and diversity of thinking and purpose. Maybe he could even produce some other writers.
I have to admit though Madea has made me laugh but enough is enough TP, time to grow up.
BTW
someone mentioned how spike couldn’t send all those kids to Disneyland like TP did . It was a nice gesture but there’s enough black folk with money these days to build those kids a bigger and better pool. Just thought I’d put it out there.
I don’t think Spike was being bitter or a hater. I think he was giving valid criticism. Look just because I’m black and someone else is black doesn’t mean that I cannot give constructive criticism. There are a plethora of black voices that deserve to be heard.
While these characters do still exist; it is not the 1920’s. There are a variety of black experiences that don’t get the chance to be told. Maybe Mr. Perry never thought about the REASON why he is so successful. It is because the mammy image of Madea makes black and especially white people very comfortable. God forbid black people act like they got sense and are on a even keel with white people now!!! I can applaud him on his success and he can make whatever movies he wants, but maybe if he thought about doing more serious, well-rounded films sometimes to counteract the Madea overload.
Black people need to think for themselves and stop accepting whatever someone dishes out to us.
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@ ForeignBlack – Just a question, no animosity or venom in it: Why are you reading Bossip if foreign blacks dislike American blacks so much?
Your comment was interesting as hell thanks for sharing b/c I’ve wondered about the dislike…I’ve felt it before from foreign blacks and wondered what it stems from. You gave a little insight – a bit smug, but insight just the same.
My: response:
I preferred educated people of any race.I find that most American Blacks applaud ignorance.Anytime someone criticized your behaviors,they are uncle toms or haters.American Blacks are hostile towards foreigners as well.You can dish it but you can’t take it.It’s not just foreign Blacks who don’t like you,Asians,Indians and some Hispanics as well.You can’t expect everyone to accept your ignorance.
After reading some of these responses it is clearly how lost your community is.
Your community support,hood,violence,uneducated,loud and ignorance behavior.You shun the educated Blacks in your community,like the doctors,Lawyers,Engineers but your heroes are the rappers.
You referred to your women as hoes and *****es even when they are well respected,educated Black women.You can imagine I don’t American Black men either.
I don’t mind educated well traveled American Blacks but those are hard to find.
I found this site by accident and the content is also coonerey.If the owner of this site is Black-American,he/she ought to be ashamed for spreading such ignorance.
I read somewhere this site is really owned by Whites but employed Blacks to spread more coonery.
Why do most foreign Blacks or any other groups don’t like you?
Well it due to the negative stereotypes so many of you love to live up too.
I don’t date American Black men.I will not visit this site anymore.I feel like I lost some IQ’S points.
Tyler P, Keep doing your things. Continue to write/speak about God, Faith, Prayer, Strength, and Forgiveness.
Spike has his opinion… that he doesn’t like how Tyler Perry does it. Problem is.. Perry has created the situation where he can make those decisions without giving a flying f*** what Spike Lee thinks. And damnit… Spike Lee, John Singleton, the Hudlin Brothers, the Wayans Brothers… had a chance 10 or 15 years ago to have created the same thing for themselves. There was a market for black themed films and several bankable black actors like Wesley Snipes, Denzel, and Morgan Freeman. The problem was Spike was so ideologically oriented towards making films with all black casts for black people and any whites who tagged along INSTEAD of doing what he needed to do which was to get a foothold in the American film industry by successfully directing films towards the mainstream white audience and then bring that revenue into building a BLACK OWNED, BLACK CONTROLLED movie studio or more likely a production company.
Don’t hate Tyler Perry because he’s the better businessman, Spike. Everyone told you and Singleton what you ought to be doing. You needed your own company and that’s what Perry had his eye on from day one and that’s what he’s got. Now he could make Malcolm X II.. Get Back on the Bus.. Medea & Ted’s Excellent Adventure or any other thing. Spike has NO NEED to dump on Perry like this. I agree with Spike that the Medea character is an affront to black people, but if Tyler Perry walked past me right now I wouldn’t waste his time offering that opinion. I’d shake his hand and congratulate him for building his OWN studio. Cuz that’s WHY he owns his own studio… so HE can do what HE wants not so I can tell him or Spike can tell him or so we can slow his roll.
man spike lee is broke, lame, tired and needs to sit down somewhere. Tyler Perry comes out on his own and he is successful..like the saying goes, “behind every successful person stands a pack of haters” and spike is one of em. if you don’t like TP or his shows then why take the time to watch it?? i can’t stand people who get on blog sites and be ignorant as hell about someone or something. just from looking at this blog, some are rooting for TP and for the ones who is rooting for spike…just shut up. spike is washed up and he just looking for attention. i’m glad TP responded back to him because he is so immature to even criticize a man while he isn’t making anything useful of his life. Tyler Perry is here to make people laugh and spike lee is only here to make movies based on true stories…..VERY BIG DIFFERENCE!!! tyler perry has cool points with me but since when does a man’s sexuality have anything to do with his career? i swear most of you that bring that up are just as dumb as door *****s and are the most stuck-up ppl that ever been brought to this earth. some of you are most likely hypocrites and two-faced. i mean Tyler Perry is making a living for crying out loud..if you are black or another race, the least y’all could do is support this man and not go by what he wears on a damn stage. spike lee needs to be ashamed of his self; instead of him criticizing TP, why not come together and make a money? and that’s what’s sad; he was on TV and on his movie skool daze saying that all blacks need to come together
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@ SpikeMYOB
I couldn’t agree with you any better than that.