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A college education is for sanitizing the workforce. It is another way of screening applicants and culling the herd.

Having a degree doesn’t guarantee a successful career or a good life.

It’s not worth a lifetime of debt.

It depends on what you get a degree in. I saw a tv special about all these big time college graduates, who were in line trying to get Walmart jobs. There was one guy who says all of his friends put him down for attending trade school to be an auto mechanic, and now he makes more money than all his friends with their so called big time degrees, who had to move back in with mommy and daddy because they can’t find a job. Think about it, you graduate from college, your $50k plus in debt and your clamoring for a $10 an hour job??? I’m not saying colleg is a bad thing, just make sure that whatever you major in is something relevant. One girl on the show is $80k in debt from college loans and hasn’t been able to find a job. She say’s she should have followed her heart and went to hair school…makes you think!!

I think the value has gone down!! I’m pursuing a Masters degree because making $12 an hour isn’t logically when I have to pay over 100k in loans! Something has to change. Kanye West said it best in College Dropout! Who cares about a degree when you don’t have any money to support yourself? Maybe with this Masters I can start at $15/hour….

I think a college degree will always be valuable. It may not always be quantifiable in terms of salary, but the educational and relationship experiences while there make it worthwhile.

I may still be paying off my school loans, but the friendships I made and the discovery of my career while there, are priceless.

HOWARD UNIVERSITY!!! The best of the best!

Having a degree doesn’t make you “educated.” Like others said, a college degree has become a caste system.

I think that the most important thing for people to answer is why do you want to go to college.

If you want to go for a job or a certain career, you will be disappointed.

If you want to go because you want to make a lot of money, you’re going to be very very disappointed.

If you go to college because you want to be paid and treated equally to whites in the workplace, that ain’t happening ever.

College is used as a screening device to keep certain people out. Usually the poor and the really dumb. That’s all.

Having a $100,000 worth of student loans is like having a house note.

I read a sobering article recently in the NY Times about the troubles that college-educated African Americans — including those with two or more degrees — are having finding jobs in this still sluggish economy. Even the attainment of education at some of the nation’s toniest universities has not completely leveled the playing field for blacks, who have been disproportionately impacted by the recession. Some job-seekers are even deliberately disguising their racial identity to try to gain a foot in the door.

@Aunt Viv

“I think a college degree will always be valuable. It may not always be quantifiable in terms of salary, but the educational and relationship experiences while there make it worthwhile.”

Agreed.

A sample stat from the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics:

College-educated black men, especially, have struggled relative to their white counterparts in this downturn, according to figures from the Bureau of Labor Statistics. The unemployment rate for black male college graduates 25 and older in 2009 has been nearly twice that of white male college graduates — 8.4 percent compared with 4.4 percent.

A degree from a top school will always be valued, plus these schools have better alumni networks and thus will keep you connected. If you don’t go to a top 50 undergrad (as per US news), a top 10 liberal arts college, or Howard/Spelman/Morehouse/Hampton (possibly Xavier/Fisk/FAMU) (sorry, but just about every other HBCU is worthless), then you more than likely are wasting money.

I’m in college now and it’s a bore!!! Matter of fact, I suppose to be writing a research paper now, but I can’t concentrate. What college has taught me is to “try” to think before I speak (well not on here) and I think it will help me be a better parent to my child

@Old Timer

“The thing now is that there are too many college graduates for the number of jobs that TRULY require a degree.”

True, it’s a horrible time to be a new college graduate searching for your first job. The economy is so dire that it is projected that this will affect generations for years to come because of the dearth of opportunities. People with multiple degrees are having to move back in with their parents, take hourly jobs, etc.

This article and the comments have really rooted in my mind that I am better off attending community college and pursuing an associate degree in Echocardiography. I rather pay a minimum of about $2,000 for 2 1/2 years than almost $50,000 for 4 years.

A lot of people at my school are shocked that I am only going to a junior college rather than a university; however, they are going to soon figure out why I chose this route.

Shit, even a high school diploma or G.E.D is imperative. You know, you cannot work at McDonald’s without one. My mom tells me the strangest things, smh.

Is It 5:00 o’clock yet? I’m ready to go home

12/16/09, 13:30:pm

This article and the comments have really rooted in my mind that I am better off attending community college and pursuing an *****ociate degree in Echocardiography. I rather pay a minimum of about $2,000 for 2 1/2 years than almost $50,000 for 4 years.

A lot of people at my school are shocked that I am only going to a junior college rather than a university; however, they are going to soon figure out why I chose this route.

F that, I went to a junior college, and felt lame. Once I got into an actual university, I got the real “college” feel, and my grades soared.

Ha Thats funny cause me myself am an accountant and I dont have a degree but i did go to college not for accounting though , but some how I’ve been working at my job for 2 years and it always passes through my mind that a person with a degree just wasted their time cause im doing their job without the degree. IT’S NOT WHAT YOU KNOW IT’S WHO YOU KNOW.PEACE

On a side note, I just read that the Harvard Graduate School of Education is offering a new, tuition-free doctoral degree to help produce leaders to transform the nation’s public education system. Considering the soaring cost of college tuition, it’s certainly worth a look for those interested in the field.

College is all about making the right choice. I stayed in state to attend college for free (forgoing partial scholarships to Georgetown, UVA, and Emory). I had a mentor that told me to save your money for grad school. I ended up going to law school, having entered with no undergraduate debt. Although I now have approximately 75k in debt, I also make well over 100k/year. So not only will I be able to pay the 75k back in a relatively short time (i.e. less than the traditional 30 yrs), I have more than enough money to pay my loans, own a home, a nice car, a sizeable savings account, etc. It’s really just about making the right choice. I am in the same position with people who chose to go to private institutions –same career path, same law school –but about 100-200k less in debt.

@ Old Timer,

“The thing now is that there are too many college graduates for the number of jobs that TRULY require a degree.

So, you end up having tons of college educated people with no place for them to go except to be underemployed or overqualified.”
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This is a good point. But in your opinion, do you think it’s better to just skip college altogether? Wouldn’t that make your odds even worse?

The reason I ask is because even 10 years ago when I graduated college, there were too many graduates, so the playing field was pretty even. As a black woman, I knew I was already at a disadvantage, so my solution was to go for MBA, which I got 2 years later. I firmly believe that helped in improving my career odds, and obtaining a higher salary. Yes, I have school loans, but I am more than able to pay them.

I think the recession is revealing how much a college degree is almost worthless these days. Too many people have them and the competition is similar to folks with high school diplomas. It is helpful to get advanced degrees and talk to the right people. I see degrees as that proof that you can start something and finish it, that’s all employers are wanting to see. It’s also not the best idea to get a degree in sociology or history unless you are planning to be a professor in these fields and/or go to law school etc. Get a degree in something marketable that many companies will find as an asset.

Like Aunt Viv said though, the college experience (outside of the classroom) is something that I wouldn’t trade in for the world. It’s taught me so much about life and the friendships have lasted strong beyond that…

I realize that it’s not always a guarantee, but then again, nothing is absolute.

I think it’s a valuable asset. I’m graduating this saturday with my B.S in Mechanical Engineering. I’m completely aware than I’m graduating into a recession. I know it’s gonna be very difficult. I just know that I have to keep trying to look for a job in my field and paying off my student loans (about 20k). But a degree will always be meaningful, in terms of just being educated, and finding better paying jobs (yes depending on what degree you have).

Good afternoon Caramel Cat and Sydney by the way!

education should be a right not a priviledge!! It shouldnt cost thousands of dollars and increase over time, especially in a recession!!
In Ontario, the premier(like a governor for americans) is increasing the tuition fee by $1000 for Ontraio univerisites!! BULL§HIT!!!!!

I agree w/ Man, I just don’t care™

@ noelle…I’m not looking to attain the real college feel. I just want to get trained in a field with a high job outlook. That is why more than likely I will be either going into that Cardiac Sonographer program at community college or receive an associates in something like Computer Science.

OH-IO

Hey Aunt Viv, Hey Sydney

@Sydney, I have an interesting article I stumbled upon earlier this week. I’ll post it in a sec…It’s kind of related to this topic but not really

@Aunt Viv,
Would you happen to have some old research papers on France…

My wife and I just graduated from college and found jobs in our respective fields that pay very well and we wouldn’t be able to even apply for them if we had no degree. The students that are claiming they can’t find a job are trying hard enough.

I worked my way from an internship to a part time to a full time employee. I worked 40 hours a week and put in another 45 hours a week at the internship while being married and having four kids at home.

In these times it’s all about how bad do you want it. In one years time frame I sent my resume to over 100 companies, was flown out to assessment centers and interviews, and had 5 companies to choose from before committing to my current offer.

I didn’t go to a big name school. I went to a local public university, and I was on a non-stop hustle until I got what I wanted. Again it goes back to how bad do you want it.

A lot of these 22-year-old college kids don’t think about the future, 6 months to a year prior before graduation. When I graduated, I heard everyone talking about how they plan on sending their resume out after the new year. The early bird gets the worm.

Hey Mock!!! Sorry I missed you in my previous shout out! How have you been?

LOL-I’m afraid I don’t have old papers on France Sorry I can’t help!

@IllWIll
I agree to a certain extent. It depends on the economy. Right now I have seen postings for Basic Customer Service jobs that “Require” not desire at least an AA. the f u c k e d up part about that is they aren’t even specific (major). they don’t care they just want you to have one. so yeah if you have built a career from the ground up as i have. that is where we will stay in these times unless you take some classes and make yourself more marketable. people without degrees are competing with people who have them and are now will work for nothing. i command top dollar in my field because of my experience but realistically from a business view why would i hire someone with experience that wants top pay when i could hire a recent grad or someone with a degree for less money that i can train and they could learn quickly cause they did get a degree(assumption)????? I think that is what we are going to see in these times because so many people with degrees are unemployed right now.

Black folks need to stop trying to beat the odds and go for a college degree. Because the real truth of the matter is that it’s extremely hard finding a good paying job that can meet the ever growing cost of living in this country without having a college degree. It’s true that college doesn’t guarantee anything but we put ourselves at a disadvantage all of the time by not thinking big.

Hey Aunt Viv, Caramel Cat (I see your trademark symbol, lol)

@Caramel

Here’s the link to the NYT story I mentioned. I found it very interesting, nytimes.com/2009/12/01/us/01race.html?scp=1&sq=black%20and%20college&st=cse. The article quotes the perspectives of some very highly educated brothers on their job searches.

I want to return to school to get my doctorate — I don’t need it, but it has always been one of my goals.

@Sydney

Here’s the link: washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/09/AR2009120904546.html?hpid=artslot

This chick appears to be suffering from being overly educated, I’m looking to read her book when it comes out!

lol, but on this topic, I have bachelor’s in finance and an MBA and thank God I have not been affected by this recession, but from what I hear even folks with that and more are suffering…it’s hard to call it…

a s s o c i a t e s………SMH

Really just to add to my thought, it’s all about what you attain a degree in college as well. So many people waste their time pursuing a degree in something that doesn’t have a promising outlook such as Communications or Sociology.

Let’s be real. Yes we want to study something that we are passionate about, but we also need to have a realistic expectation as to whether this job is going to be available in the future.

Aite people let me help u out the first degree is just to say u went to college yes that right unless u get sometype of a MBA or are in mechanical, chemical or computer engineering or health careers eg nursing, radiation therapist then again the first degree is just to say you went to college the money is in the second degree eg law school, medschool, and all the postgraduate programs personally i went to physician assistant program. dumping biology at my third year might have seemed like a dumb move and even though it cost me a extra couple of years well what does $80,000 new grad salary with a good job market sound like yes even nurses that supposedly clean sheet all day make a sheetload of money do the math $50,000 x 2 if u work hustle and work 2 jobs as a nurse doesnt that make cleaning sheet very interesting if that is really what they do (which by the way is false) . People you have to ur brains all those useless degrees and yes you know them that set u up for a lifetime of school loan debt and $10 hr jobs are exactly that useless.

Thank you 6am!

The truth is you have to study something that is practical. Nursing over Psychology. What do Psych majors do anyway? You can go to a Junior College for two years in nursing, perhaps take a year to do the pre-reqs and be making $60,000 a year. A job where you can literally go anywhere in the country and anywhere in the world to work. With a nursing degree you can go to the Gulf states, pay no taxes and clock.

@6AM

Preach Bro. Preach!

I graduated this December and was lucky enough to stumble into a decent job. I start at 40K and my student debt is at 20k…not bad in my opinion especially when I was considering going out of state to Howard (I would have cried at that loan payment each month). The point of college is not to get a job, it’s to create opportunity for YOURSELF. YOU select a major which YOU are interested in, YOU get experience in a career field via ex/internships, whatever and YOU make YOUR path according to what YOU put into YOUR college experience. There are different ways to get to where you want to go it’s just a matter of planning and effort.

Sorry about the 3 or 4 misspelled words, 6am isnt a typist!

It’s obvious a majority of you folks commenting on this subject aren’t college educated; your opinions are way too bias about not attending a 4 year university. Its hard to belive that some of you are ignorant enough to try and influence young, black people not to attend college! Yes, the economy is down now at this moment, however; things will begin to look up in about 6 months. The key to being successful is finding something that you are passionate about to major (focus) in. A 4 year college degree from an accredited institution (HBCU’s included)will provide you with alot of great opportunities, you just have to be diligent & patient in your job search. Keep the faith young people…. Your time is coming…

@Syd

Thanks, I’ll check that link out. I’m debating on whether or not I want to get my doctorate as well. One of my girlfriends is working on hers and keeps making me feel like I haven’t arrived in life if I don’t get on the PhD band wagon!

Thanks, Caramel!

Wait, she writes for Politico, right? I’ve read her columns. This actually looks like a very interesting read.

And, yeah, there are a ton of educated sistas in D.C. *still reading article*

I may have to pick this book up. . .

@Kigali
12/16/09, 13:52:pm

The truth is you have to study something that is practical. Nursing over Psychology. What do Psych majors do anyway? You can go to a Junior College for two years in nursing, perhaps take a year to do the pre-reqs and be making $60,000 a year. A job where you can literally go anywhere in the country and anywhere in the world to work. With a nursing degree you can go to the Gulf states, pay no taxes and clock.
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I have to agree with you there.
I’m in Information Techonology in a medical/Healthcare field. 2 stable fields.

And while everyone is losing jobs, we can’t get enough qualified educated people in here.

So my friends that in fields like social work, psychology are out of work and working out of their field.

Almost everything in a stable field requires a 4yr degree so my education was WORTH IT.

You should do what you love. But understand that it’s not your education that’s the problem.
It’s what you are educated in that is the problem.

Concur with Kigali, the truth (i have a friend who is a PA working 2 jobs–she’s a PA and a Lawyer, and just got offered a third job within the same hospital where she works her other 2 jobs –is that you Airi….lol)and “hogetout6am”

Good Stuff, 6am.

@Caramel

“I’m debating on whether or not I want to get my doctorate as well.”

Georgetown had some informational sessions recently on doctoral programs, but I kept missing them after work. I would like a program that would allow me to go to class at night.

I think a degree is “overrated.” There is no replacement for intelligence, ambition, motivation, determination, etc. These qualities NEVER go out of style!

What happened to American innovation? These days people think they DESERVE a job just cause they got a degree!

I think the problem starts when people graduate and expect to just have money “handed” to them.

Please note that while the unemployment date is at +10%, the unemployment rate for those with at least a bachelors degree is less than 4%. I’d say its worth it, ESPECIALLY in these economic times.

^^^rate, not date.

@ Aunt Viv and A light of darkness,

No problem, and to the people who are complaining about the amount you owe on student loans; Do you know if you move to a diffenet region that pays more you’ll wipe out that student loan in no time flat? I owe a total of $24,600, yet my loan payments are only $150 a month to the fed government which I have taken right out of my “gross” salary every week. who cares if it takes 15 years to pay that sh*t off, your salary keeps increasing while the payment rate doesnt. Do the same sh*t with your 401k have them take out the max plus another 3%

love 6am

People who think a college education = success are told wrong.

It all depends, really, on what you want to do in life. But I will tell you this much…

I only had two years of vocational school and make more money than all of my friends around me who went to major colleges. They are still in debt till this day.

So college doesn’t guarantee anything. For those saying it, they just want to buffer the pain they are feeling for knowing they have GOT to pay back those loans so this college shyt had BETTER work out!

because for many? it doesn’t

uneducated or undereducate people always are quick to say that an degree is not worth it…

And how would you know this?

@ Syd,

Thank you for your article too-very interesting!

I dunno ’bout this… Mayhap that the WHERES of the degree are less important today than in the past, but I don’t see it possible to make a good living w/o a degree, unless you “luck up” and get a job that pays well. Even then, tomorrow you are not promised employment. What is PLAN B?!?! In my opinion, the education and/or trade (yes, trade) that you acquire is your Plan B and key to a continued unlimited path of success. No, it doesn’t GUARANTEE success, but it certainly doesn’t HINDER your chances, and in fact INCREASES the odds in your favor. Why would you want to take your chances with a toss up on the quality of your life? I know damn well that an education is the only thing that got me away from where I came from. I would never buy the idea that it’s not worth it, or doesn’t matter. It’s a dog eat dog world, so why not stack the deck in your favor as much as possible?

@Caramel

She went to my alma mater, lol.

Actually, I think this article would make a very provocative thread.

Look at this statement, for instance:

“When people think about black women, they have only one adjective for us, which is ‘strong,’ ” Andrews says. “The girl you see walking down the street looks like she has it all together,” but she may not.

Those asteriks in the link are b i t c h …smh

@Caramel

“Yes, she writes for Politico and it’s really interesting how people view her after this article. If you go to theurbanpolitico.blogspot.com/2009/12/*****-is-new-black.html and read some of the comments, people come down on her pretty hard.”

LOL, let me guess, people think she’s an “uppity negress?” I’ve read her Politico column, but I wasn’t aware that she had written a memoir.

@Man, I just don’t care™ – Lol fam could have said it any better , this thread is sure to turn out to be pure comedy though …

@Sydney

This article that you gave really makes me think of how friends of mine with those slightly ‘hood names are now going by their first initial with their last name across the top of their resume. It’s all a game and we have to play it good!

Idk if people are saying college education=success. I think the general question is whether it’s worth it to go to college.

And in terms of vocational training–what are you going to do if the process/service you specialize in is made more efficient, shipped overseas, or becomes irrelevant.

At least with a degree you still have a network that you will not get by forgoing college. Yes…people that forgo college can build a network, but do you think its really possible to rub elbows with people worth half a billion dollars, CEOs, General Counsels, etc. These are the types of opportunities you get as a result of college (for the most part).

Not saying people who forgo can’t build a netword, but it is not as easy or accessible, and anyone that says otherwise if playing you.

@ lovely lisa,

thats right, and do yourselves a favor people, go on international job search sites and see how many comapanies outside the U.S. are looking for people with (American) college degrees. You’ll actually make more than their own citizens with loacl degrees. Remember americans aint leaving america at the same rate to attend colleges in another country, every other countries citizens are trying to attend college here! (How do you think all these colleges got so chinese, japanese, indian and korean)? Some schools like UCLA and USC are more than 50% foreign students.

Think people!

Folks who don’t have degrees often like to make the excuse about being in debt paying back loans and so forth.

But we get into debt for far less.

There was a study on MSNBC (before the economic recession, however). But it said that in a lifetime, a person with a college degree earns a average of $1 million more than a person without.

Yes, it’s worth it.

@Sydney

Well they are making some valid points, while harsh. I do think that she contradicts herself talking wreckless about ‘cornrows’ but she chose to go out with ‘cornrows’ in the first place…but in all honesty I can understand her perspective as well…

@Esquire

Exactly!

A college degree is not simply a means through which to make money. The fact that so many people view it through this prism explains SO much (the state of our communities, our dropout rate, etc). As a community, we are too materialistic, too short-sighted and too impatient to see the TRUE value of having a degree, versus not having one.

People, the key is to not just get a degree. The key is getting a degree and while getting it being involved in organizations on campus where you can build leadership, landing successful and respected internships, networking with your campus leaders and friends. Don’t just go to class and go home, that’s a recipe for no job after graduation…

College/Learning for me was and is fun. I like being there just so i can talk to all my African and Indian professors about how messed up the shyt we learn is. LOL. I attend college because i can…and just to download they education to my genius mind..an index in my brain. I don’t attend college wit the intent that i need it to merely survive or be wealthy or rich. If i want to be weatlhy or rich, i will just indulge in legal and illegal crimes like most of the wealthy and rich people do. Yatzi!

c l a s s

@Caramel

Well, I’m not attracted to cornrows on a man either — at all. But if that wasn’t appealing to her to begin with, yeah, she shouldn’t have accepted a date with him.

@ keep n it real,

Your situation is rare, and remember, you earn more than them “right now”

They’ll eventually catch and surpass you and when they do they’re gonna do it so quick it’ll make your head spin. A college degree has no limit on earnings or promotion potential, absolutely none.

Remember all those kids you bullied in jr and high school as book nerds are the same people youre gonna see in 5-8 years when you go asking for a job! trust me ive seen this and a bullied kid has a long azz memory!

I actually decided not to go to lawschool even after taking the LSAT because I decided I’d rather keep my money nowadays.

Caramel Cat™

12/16/09, 14:14:pm

People, the key is to not just get a degree. The key is getting a degree and while getting it being involved in organizations on campus where you can build leadership, landing successful and respected internships, networking with your campus leaders and friends. Don’t just go to cl***** and go home, that’s a recipe for no job after graduation…
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my sis did the same thing. Graduated and everything. Still couldn’t find a job in her field.

She felt it was a waste of time.

It’s all personal experience, not fact that doing it one way or the other works.

@ Esquire,
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Idk if people are saying college education=success. I think the general question is whether it’s worth it to go to college.

And in terms of vocational training–what are you going to do if the process/service you specialize in is made more efficient, shipped overseas, or becomes irrelevant.

At least with a degree you still have a network that you will not get by forgoing college. Yes…people that forgo college can build a network, but do you think its really possible to rub elbows with people worth half a billion dollars, CEOs, General Counsels, etc. These are the types of opportunities you get as a result of college (for the most part).

Not saying people who forgo can’t build a netword, but it is not as easy or accessible, and anyone that says otherwise if playing you.”
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Well said. As I mentioned before, nothing is absolute. However, more times than not, having a degree is better than not having one.

@Caramel Cat™
12/16/09, 14:14:pm

People, the key is to not just get a degree. The key is getting a degree and while getting it being involved in organizations on campus where you can build leadership, landing successful and respected internships, networking with your campus leaders and friends. Don’t just go to cl***** and go home, that’s a recipe for no job after graduation…
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EXACTLY!!!!
Theres more to the educational experience than class.
I learned to network, creativity and how to be competitive at college. I learned leadership in my sorority. I learn how to work with people of all backgrounds in college.
I learned the skills of prioritizing and multi-tasking through the different orgs and clubs I worked with. And INTERNSHIPS!!!

Its so much you get from college, that are invaluable.
THIS is what people are hiring you for.

@MIJDC

You make a good point, we do need innovators now more than ever. Everyone can’t be a cubicle inhabitant…

@ white male Im actually considering going back to school, taking 4 Poly sci classes and applying for law school in 2012, but only if I can get into an Ivy league school. But right now its just a thought, as you can tell i like to argue.

skills that are invaluable <–what I meant

I’m currently in college and plan on going to grad school and you can go to college and not have serious debt you just have to make better choices. . . And as far as not getting the job you want well it depends on your major, Nursing is a big big field and plenty of people are needed. Also social workers and alot of other fields but people major in the dumbest things i’ve ever heard and then complain about not being able to get a job. So really it’s all about choices, I say theirs nothing better than a education, and you do need a degree to get ahead!!!!!!!

See what happens when ya’ll get the 100% serious 6am? sh*t is informative but boring as f*ck!

Caramel Cat™
12/16/09, 14:14:pm

“Don’t just go to cl***** and go home, that’s a recipe for no job after graduation…”

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Quoted for emphasis!

Join a frat or sorority, join a sports team, debate club, or something! And Excel at it, stand out! That’s how you maximize your degree! Companies get so many applications, that it isn’t good enough to simply have a degree. And if you don’t have one, sweetheart you can forget it.

@Caramel

“The key is getting a degree and while getting it being involved in organizations on campus where you can build leadership, landing successful and respected internships, networking with your campus leaders and friends.”

I totally concur. Campus networking and memberships in professional organizations are invaluable. I think someone mentioned the adage, “it’s not what you know, it’s WHO you know.”

Also, you can obtain career mentoring/tips in a variety of places. I heard a long time ago about the value of spending time on the golf greens and elsewhere.

@KeepNit2Real

Oh trust me, I’m not saying that anything is guaranteed, but I do believe that the chances of finding a job become a little stronger if you are proactively doing so during your undergraduate years. I really hope your sister is able to find something soon!

At the end of the day, when you want to move up with certain jobs, degree will win over experience sometimes. I don’t think everybody is college material. There are plenty of jobs that you can get and live off of with cert, or HS. Dip. I dont think college is a rip-off, for certain areas, medicine, or history, law, serious careers yes you need it. If you want to open a business then you may just need to take a few courses, but nobody just gives loans to everybody and that degree might be the factor.

Of course during this hard time, a damn burger flipper can’t get a job, but if you are shooting to work a low paying job and not have a career then of course college wouldn’t be the smartest Idea, but i’m willing to bet that when the economy gets better, alot of ppl out of college will get those jobs first.

Completing college shows that you are willing to start, and finish something.

My degree has opened up opportunities I would not have otherwise had. I mean fair enough in Britain the payment system is quite different to the system in the states.

I’ve seen many people here complain about not being able to find work…what the fail to realise is that the job market is much more competitive now than ever.
Note I used the word market. A graduate has to find the tools to make themselves marketable to an employer and it means not taking on the hunt for work alone. Utilise careers services and get help to write a good resume.

These things can help to put you ahead of your counterparts but mostly you have to appear as a well rounded individual who didn’t spend all their time studying but maybe doing volunteering, or taking part in some kind of internship.

All these are different parts of the big picture and its about exploring your avenues and being open to opportunities as well being determined to succeed.

@ Man I just don’t care,

I think a degree is “overrated.” There is no replacement for intelligence, ambition, motivation, determination, etc. These qualities NEVER go out of style!

What happened to American innovation? These days people think they DESERVE a job just cause they got a degree!
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I think the current economy has shown us that it’s going to take more than just the physical diploma to get a job. You need the qualities you mentioned, and, agreed, those could be obtained without a degree. It is times like this when entrepreneurship is at its peak, and I think we’re going to see a boom in new businesses. But, in my opinion, with exceptions (like Bill Gates/Paul Allen, who dropped out of school) I still think that college provides the environment to explore those aforementioned qualities.

@KeepNit2Real

“my sis did the same thing. Graduated and everything. Still couldn’t find a job in her field.”

She’s not alone. I think a number of people are “reinventing” themselves in order to further their careers, or to simply find work that will sustain them until the economy improves. Some are going back to school, starting new careers (that they may actually love), or going into business for themselves (I think there’s been an increase in entrepreneurship). For those building their own businesses, there’s the added job security of being your own boss.

I think you cannot let a degree define who you are or what you can do. In D.C., for example, there’s a brother named Warren Brown, who is a lawyer-turned-owner of his own nationally recognized chain of bakeries and cafes (CakeLove). Now he made this career shift years ago because baking was his love, but it’s just an example of how people can change paths, and success follows.

I did not go to college I went to tech school and after reconnecting with my highschool friends that attended college I must say that I am happy that I went to tech school. I am not in debt and I am doing just as well if not better than most. The only difference between them and me would be the FUN MEMORIES they have from going to college.

BUT, now that I am older and know that what I am passionate about requires a Bachelors degree I am going to the cheapest school and getting it in the easiest course they have available!!!!

i respect everybody that wanna study but u dont really needed e.g i ont have it and i am still pulling over 80 gs a year in a as a Manager

@AUNT VIV
“I think a degree is “overrated.” There is no replacement for intelligence, ambition, motivation, determination, etc. These qualities NEVER go out of style!

What happened to American innovation? These days people think they DESERVE a job just cause they got a degree!
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I think the current economy has shown us that it’s going to take more than just the physical diploma to get a job. You need the qualities you mentioned, and, agreed, those could be obtained without a degree. It is times like this when entrepreneurship is at its peak, and I think we’re going to see a boom in new businesses. But, in my opinion, with exceptions (like Bill Gates/Paul Allen, who dropped out of school) I still think that college provides the environment to explore those aforementioned qualities.”
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I think the entire “go to college” steez has disillusioned people to the reality of the business world.

Having a “degree” won’t make you successful in and of itself. NOT having a degree won’t make you a failure.

You always have, and always will, have to use your brain. Those that use it the best turn out the best.

College has become a business. Constantly telling people they need more eductation and paying thousands of dollars for a skill set that they may use between 10-70% of the time.

This recession shows us that the caste system and age old biases are still in place.

In this world its all about who you know! Yes a degree definetly helps but you have to position yourselves. Please don’t get a degree in communications and think you are coming out here getting a jod instantly….SMH. Health related fields and IT are booming.

I think a college degree is very valuable, I am four classes from finishing my Bachelors degree and I know I will find work because I am eager and nothing can change that. It all goes with how you represent yourself and a lot of people forget that. I have learned so much and this is not just through education but I was able to use the education in my personal life to make very well furbished decisions. I understand that it is hard out there but that should never change your aspect to move forward and make something out of yourself. Some are very lucky to have parents that will fit the bill and some have to borrow. College is not for everyone and sometimes regardless on what your situation becomes you just cannot settle for below what your worth.

Lawyers come a dime a dozen. Hope you know someone in that industry to hook you up if you plan on being one.

I have a college degree and some post-graduate education, but the only job I could get was at chick-fil-a. I’ve been there a year. I think in certain job markets it helps. Having a graduate degree seems to make more of a difference, if you don’t have extensive work experience.

@ turkishjamaican
12/16/09, 14:36:pm

i respect everybody that wanna study but u dont really needed e.g i ont have it and i am still pulling over 80 gs a year in a as a Manager

Did you know that 80gs a year is like making 30gs a year in some states. There are so many things to take into consideration when life planning. Location Location Location is number one.

@ KeepNit2Real

Right now, there is a HUGE push for science, math and technology fields. Do you think alot of brothers and sisters are aiming for these? Nope.

This statement is so not true. I don’t know where you live but I’m seeing alot of young black men and women educating themselves in these fields and working in these fields.

College education is needed for ALL african americans !! Education is one of the only things that cannot be taken from you!! I look at myself compared to my friends that just have high school education and are life is completly different FOR THE BETTER.

ALPHA1906
12/16/09, 14:50:pm

College education is needed for ALL african americans !! Education is one of the only things that cannot be taken from you!! I look at myself compared to my friends that just have high school education and are life is completly different FOR THE BETTER.
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THANK YOU ALPHA MAN!

Listen to ALPHA1906!

Especially you blacks in the deep south.

Yes there is that truism that college isnt for everyone. Some people just arent meant for it. Besides most jobs in America dont require a university degree save the highest paying ones. If you have real talent at whatever, you can make it happen.

I wish I had known what I know now..I have two undergraduate degrees and a MBA!!! Hell..I was better off writing a damn rap song! Or shaking my asss like Beyonce..or singing sucidial songs like Rhianna..I feel like suing those university!!

@KeepNit2Real

Actually, I think there are more stories about successful black entrepreneurs than people may be aware of. Of course, they’re not all on the level of appearing on Oprah and in American Express commercials, but there are brothers and sisters who are making a living while engaged in their passions. Carol’s Daughter is another company that grew out of one woman’s (Lisa Price) dream in her kitchen. I can now buy her products in Sephora.

Black Enterprise magazine puts out an annual list of black-owned businesses that’s pretty informative, IMO.

“Right now, there is a HUGE push for science, math and technology fields. Do you think alot of brothers and sisters are aiming for these? Nope.”

I agree with you about the need for more of us in the math and science-related fields. We are underrepresented.

*p-a-s-s-i-o-n-s*

Its6amHoGetOut, 15 more days before I leave you forever and this becomes the most boring blog on the net.

12/16/09, 14:16:pm

@ keep n it real,

Your situation is rare, and remember, you earn more than them “right now”

They’ll eventually catch and surp***** you and when they do they’re gonna do it so quick it’ll make your head spin. A college degree has no limit on earnings or promotion potential, absolutely none.

Remember all those kids you bullied in jr and high school as book nerds are the same people youre gonna see in 5-8 years when you go asking for a job! trust me ive seen this and a bullied kid has a long azz memory!
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Its6amHoGetOut…let me explain something to you. A college education can not give people the opportunities I’ve had in my working career.

I have already been a supervisor on 2 jobs (one over a team of 10 people, the second for a staff numbering over 45 when I was only 25), I have already overtaken positions held by ONLY those who require college degrees by outworking them in their own field and I am on track to do it again on this job, already being paid more than every person on my floor except for the field specialists and branch chiefs.

You have NO idea what you’re talking about in my case because I have killed the odds all throughout my life. I get my hustle on and make it work for me…truth!

When I was IN school (barbering and cosmetology, something I can always fall back on if all fails) I was teaching the class because my teacher saw how good I was, he not only let me teach, I took home all proceeds from my class.

I was getting paid from 3 sources at the age 18 and keep the hustle!

Don’t talk to me about college anything. You can make more than enough money WITHOUT a college education (4 yr institution in this case) because I did vocational for 2 yrs which is college, but many don’t see it that way.

ANY form of higher education where you get certification or a degree outside of a high school diploma is college. Whether it’s 2 yr, 4 yr or certification programs that run through a CTE program.

@Myshel

LOl, Ironically I read an article recently about a woman that did sue her alma mater. She said that she attended the institution under the premise that she would be prepared for employment and she has been unemployed for a rather long time now…She seriously sued the university….lmao!

@6am
@Listen to ALPHA1906!

Especially you blacks in the deep south.
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Why specifically the deep south?

The drop out rate for blacks in all urban areas in the North, Midwest and East Coast are comparable to the deep south.

@Divine

Folks who don’t have degrees often like to make the excuse about being in debt paying back loans and so forth.

But we get into debt for far less.

There was a study on MSNBC (before the economic recession, however). But it said that in a lifetime, a person with a college degree earns a average of $1 million more than a person without.

Yes, it’s worth it.
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That’s not exactly true.

According to Charles Miller, he headed Education Secretary Margaret Spellings’s Commission on the Future of Higher Education stated:

“[P]roperly using the present value of the lifetime earnings, adjusted for the cost of going to college and the difference in the number of working years, and excluding those graduates with advanced degrees, calculated at the three percent discount rate used in the report,” he wrote, “produces a lifetime earnings differential of only $279,893 for a bachelor’s degree versus a high school degree!”

$279, 893 over a 40 year working life.

Miller goes on to argue that not only is the individual benefit of a college degree exaggerated, but the societal benefits of higher education are not realized nearly as much as advertised because of the wide inequity in who actually goes to college. “It’s not a benefit to the community if you’re leaving out the most needy, the least advantaged.

Also, if college educated black women are not having children, what benefit is it to our communities. They’re not passing on the benefits of a good education to future generations.

I love a spirited discussion, so go ahead and rip my head off. LOL!!!

@Divine

“I am working with a college access program to get black women in college, specifically techonology fields.”

Doesn’t Spelman have a program of this nature?

@Old Timer

“Also, if college educated black women are not having children, what benefit is it to our communities. They’re not p*****ing on the benefits of a good education to future generations.”

Some are adopting and passing on their legacy in that manner — I just heard a story about a sister who just adopted a daughter. I think TRS posted an MSNBC.com story on this growing trend (where is she, btw?).

Really?

12/16/09, 14:50:pm

@ KeepNit2Real

Right now, there is a HUGE push for science, math and technology fields. Do you think alot of brothers and sisters are aiming for these? Nope.

This statement is so not true. I don’t know where you live but I’m seeing alot of young black men and women educating themselves in these fields and working in these fields.
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You mean to tell me on the national scope you see brothers and sisters enrolled in science and math courses? GET REAL!

All I ever hear my people talk about is the famous “business administration” degree…which can mean anything from internal control to government applications to private corporation application to entrepreneurship or some other form of basic business application in an office…

the ever so glamorous “law” degree only for many to drop out of law school because of tuition costs or not being able to pass the bar exam…

or what about the famous “I wanna be a doctor” chants? Do you know how many Black men/women actually get doctorates compared to Whites? It’s laughable! Commendable for those who do…but you get my point.

I’m not saying it can not be done and that it’s not being done, I’m telling you statistically what you can find out for yourself by going to IES website and look at the money allocated to schools in this nation and look at the number of states supporting math/science curriculum in CTE courses and look at who’s actually taking and passing these classes and using them as stepping stones to the college arena….because it sure isn’t Black folk fam. I’m telling you what I know to be fact….not a feeling or just those in my inner circle being success stories or lack of.

I graduated high school with 254 other minority students. Of the 255,(updates from class reunion council and those i keep in touch with)Only 56 went on to college, and 17 earned graduate degrees. The 56 of us who went on to college (3 have passed away) but the remaining 53 of us all live better and more financially productive lives than our class mates who stopped at high school. Here is the shocking thing out of the other 199 students who stopped at high school. 74 of them are in prison or have served time in prison. 28 of them are no longer living. And according to our class poll 90% of them would have made other choices in school if they had it to do all over again.

there are a few lucky ones who worked their way up through retail, public waste, and cosmetology. One even won the state lottery.

The point is there are more of them in prison than there were who graduated.

Take you butts to college.
The end.

correction-
“take your butts to college”

@Divine

There are very few people in general majoring in these fields. PERIOD regardless of race.

There is a shortage so lot of companies are forced to outsource to India.
AND it’s not ideal.
I’ve work on many projects that FAILED because they are limited in English and ONLY do what you ask and not what is necessary to get the job done.

I am working with a college access program to get black women in college, specifically techonology fields.
ANYONE who majors in these fields nowadays are almost guaranteed a job at this time.
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And that’s my point. College is, let me change that, SHOULD be about informed choices. And I think far too often people think a course is cool to take because their friend is taking it or mommy/daddy wants them to because this or that.

But this is an example of my point. Learning where America is going should influence your college curriculum period! And that’s where your success comes in because it prepares you to have input in the nation’s infrastructure as it reshapes and builds.

Hanging on to old theories of success falls on dry ground…technology is the biggest push nationwide. It’ll get you a job quick.

If not, people had better start reading up on green efforts.

As stated previously, I know many people who are taking classes and that’s it. They think that as long as they finish the 120 credit hours or how many are required for the diploma that all should be well and the flood gates of jobs should open. I had a mentor when I was in undergrad my sophomore year (a successful sistah who was an engineer) tell me that college is a career! You treat it as you would any job, work hard play the game, put hours in and strive for more. There are a few people that just put in class time and find jobs but many times they have other capabilities that enhance their hustle. Learn how to talk to people and run game on these employers. It sounds crazy but I’m serious, it’s all a GAME!

I think a college education is essential. I always hear people say you can be sucessful without it but thats a one in a million chance. Bill Gates, Jay-Z, Tyra Banks are rare people. Not everyone will be that.

I went to college not only to get a education but to find myself and explore new things. I meet some of my best friends here. I think as long as you know what you want to do with your degree you’ll be fine. I’m only a sopohmore right now, but I plan to move to NYC and get my masters in Communication or Journalism at NYU or Columbia.

A thing thats been pissing me off,why is there so much hate for people who are majoring in art, graphic design, fashion? I’m majoring in Fashion Merchandising w/ a minor in Fashion Design and Public Relations.We are people too. I’m tired of people bashing art majors. We never get any respect.

Man, I just don’t care™

College has become a business. Constantly telling people they need more education and paying thousands of dollars for a skill set that they may use between 10-70% of the time.
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College IS a BUSINESS. They sell the product education. Millions of people come back to college to retrain and retool.

Yes, they spend thousands of dollars for a skill set for some imaginary job that they are SUPPOSED to be qualified to do.

My point is that there are more college educated people competing for jobs that don’t require a college education to perform.

@Sydney™
12/16/09, 15:02:pm

@Divine

“I am working with a college access program to get black women in college, specifically techonology fields.”

Doesn’t Spelman have a program of this nature?
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Many schools have them.
But problem with the programs are they start too late.

I was an honor student and in honors classes. And my 2nd semester Sophmore yr in high school year I found out in order to compete in college, I had to take AP Calculus classes. I found out in time enough to do something about it.

Girls in the inner city public schools don’t find out and when the get to college are discouraged and fall behind.

In college, my class alone It started out with 30 kids in my major
In the end only 3 of us graduated with CS degrees. The rest changed majors QUICKLY.

*waves hello to all*

WOW! I do not know where to begin, but at KEEPING IT REAL (15:01 comment), Kigali (13:53pm comment) & MAN I JUST DON’T CARE (14:02 comment minus the overrated part).

@KEEP IT REAL- I think maybe a week or so ago a similar topic was being discussed on here, and all that you stated shows the value of a HARDWORKER who often times surpasses the positions of those with degrees.

My two cents is that I do believe that it is a great thing for people to obtain a higher education, but I also respect those who actually put what they have learned whether via internships or working their way up the ladder to full use. In addition, one having a degree does not make one superior to the non-degree one. I hope to complete my last semester May of next year.

A college degree is certainly worth it.
Regardless of what college you attend, just the mere act of going is an experience and that experience is valuable.

College also gives you a chance to learn in a social setting, offers exposure to general concepts and well as opportunities for specific study in an area that you choose. That, too, is valuable.

A college degree does not guarantee a job, but the chances of obtaining a job that will sustain you, allow room for growth, and motivate you professionally and personally are better with a degree.

The problem that a lot of people make is that they pick schools they can’t afford. You have to look at the quality of the education for the price… not just the name of the school. What you do IN school, regardless of what the school is called, counts so you need to make the most of your time there in order to maximize the value of the education you purchase.

@DIVINE-I too, took AP classes while I was in high school. I was blessed to have had a wonderful educational counselor who made sure of that way in advance. I think it also depends on what area one lives in and the kind of school one attends. I attended both private and public schools.

@KeepNit2Real

“the ever so glamorous “law” degree only for many to drop out of law school because of tuition costs or not being able to p***** the bar exam…”

I know some lawyers, and although there are a number of unemployed attorneys right now, they have the advantage of being able to obtain contract work that pays very well, I’m told.

USA Today also had a story this week about the growth in employment in the federal government. The competition is fierce for government jobs, but there are openings, and there’s a stability in the jobs that isn’t apparent in the private sector. USAjobs.gov is an excellent source of information about openings.

@Divine

“I was an honor student and in honors cl*****es. And my 2nd semester Sophmore yr in high school year I found out in order to compete in college, I had to take AP Calculus cl*****es. I found out in time enough to do something about it.”

I’ve had many conversations about the “tracking” of students. You’re right — Children have to be enrolled early in higher level classes (AG, AP, etc.) in order to best prepare them for college. There have been studies upon studies about the gap in education for students of color (primarily blacks and Hispanics).

I agree with lllWlll

It’s not what you know it’s who you know. I just recently graduated from a HBCU that was over $20,000 a year. The day after graduation I was offered a job at NIH (National Institute of Health) where im making over $40,000 a year. My parents paid for the majority of school so I owe less than $20,000 thousand in loans..

My degree has worked to my advantage because I came in making a lot more money than some of my co-workers who are the same age as me and been working here since high school and they have to train me… It’s all because that piece of paper I have and they don’t…

Also a lot of people think going to college is enough but it’s not.. You need Internships. You can’t just stop after you get a degree you have to keep on moving. For example I’m getting ready to go back to school to get my MBA and while I’m doing that I’m planning on doing a two year internship for the Government.. I’ll be finished with both by the time I’m 26.. There won’t be many who can compete I’m sure..

@MS. BRILLY- “The problem that a lot of people make is that they pick schools they can’t afford. You have to look at the quality of the education for the price… not just the name of the school. What you do IN school, regardless of what the school is called, counts so you need to make the most of your time there in order to maximize the value of the education you purchase.”
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Very true. If I could do it over I would have chosen a better university, but I have and am making the best of it. I also look at the fact that my father (RID DADDY) financed my education, therefore I also do not and will not let him down by wasting his money per se. I could never understand how many would just not go to class…money down the drain.

Sydney™

12/16/09, 15:23:pm

@KeepNit2Real

“the ever so glamorous “law” degree only for many to drop out of law school because of tuition costs or not being able to p***** the bar exam…”

I know some lawyers, and although there are a number of unemployed attorneys right now, they have the advantage of being able to obtain contract work that pays very well, I’m told.

USA Today also had a story this week about the growth in employment in the federal government. The competition is fierce for government jobs, but there are openings, and there’s a stability in the jobs that isn’t apparent in the private sector. USAjobs.gov is an excellent source of information about openings.
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USAjobs.gov

The best way to get inside the government is to know someone that knows someone.

*nudges you*

RIP*

In Canada a college is hands on experience where as a University is mostly theory. Both might even have the same program just a another way of training the mind.

I think that if you want a good job you will have to learn to work within systems. If you think you have potential you will never know without learning how everything works around you. Then you can play the game.

@SYDNEY

“USAjobs.gov is an excellent source of information about openings.” —It sure is.

I don’t have one yet but I know if I want to move up in this company I work for, I am going to need one. I was “given” the job I have. I didn’t even interview. I received a phone call, was asked to submit my resume, waited a month and was given a start date so I know that this is a gift and that I should be more than thankful…..I work in an IT department and I used to be an insurance agent….LOL My boss tells me all the time that I have been trained to do work that people have degrees plus certifications in….BLESSED!!!!!

So I’m 25 years old, graduated from the great Howard University and unfortunately, I have to move back home with my parents. But considering the state of things in this economy, now is the time to really pursue other interests. Take what you know and flip it. If you and your friends are all in the same boat, take the time and strategize on a group business venture. Pull all of your resources together to make something happen. Most times when people go to college they never get the job in the field that they studied. But you have to make the most out of your situation. You can’t be discouraged, especially if you have no attachments, i.e. kids, marriage. You take the time and regroup and hustle until you get results. I will say that having a bachelor’s is not enough so shoot for grad school, your chances will be better.

It’s vitally important for all of us to be intelligent, well-read and well-spoken.

Most people who attend college really enjoy it and get a lot from it. However, we must remember that college is a business and is subject to some of the same flaws as other businesses.

Sometimes, when a company says that its cleaner is new or improved may just mean that they added an extra half-cup of water, not that it has been changed in a substantial way.

Because I am naturally skeptical, I am leery of anything that the “establishment” tells me that I need to be successful. Like marriage, college, kids, a mortgage, car payments, etc. You get the drift.

Personally a degree is a major stepping stone into having a solid future. I went to college and I obtained my A.S in Criminal Justice and B.S in Legal Studies and I was fortunate to have found a very nice job after graduation. However it was from who I knew as well. When I return back to school next year for my Masters I know that will also help my salary increase substantially as well as networking. Because a degree does help but your experience count moreso and /or who you know . It all depends but then again some ppl I know didnt go to college but have alot of job experiences will make money due to the type of work they do. But for me a degree did help my chances.

It’s in the college’s best interest for you to come to college, not necessarily yours.

It depends on what you want to do with your life and the standard/quality of life you want to have…

Either way you’re going to have to work hard…

You’re going to be working hard mopping those floors at Popeyes Chicken or your going to be working hard studying and making something out of yourself so that more opportunities may be available to you that a high school diploma won’t and in this day & age a college degree is a must for anyone expecting to lead a decent quality of life where you can REALLY live life = have a nice house, have a nice car, travel, and be able to AFFORD the extras in life and NOT just necessities…

Odds aren’t in your favor that things will work out for you financially if you don’t have a college degree in this day and age… You know the truth…

@Sydney

I’m not trying to start stuff…and I appreciate you not taking me to task on my comments…lmao!

But honestly, there is a much bigger picture to college many fail to see. Many really have no idea which direction to go in when they hit college doors because all they ever knew was high school.

You have to live in certain areas that cater to programs that put you on a path that’ll set you up for life.

Think of how many Black women complain about Black men that aren’t their equals in terms of education and status…which is very true.

Going beyond whether college is worth it?

That’s a question only the individual he/she can answer for themselves.

I throw in the white flag on this on behbeh…lol

@Slide Like A Fresh Pair of Gators
12/16/09, 15:46:pm

Odds aren’t in your favor that things will work out for you financially if you don’t have a college degree in this day and age… You know the truth…
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PERIOD.COM

Chances are you will have to work even harder.
Chances are your job will be more labor intensive
Chances are you will have less stability.

Bottomline education can work for those who have it.
When you don’t have it, you are limiting your options.

Having a degree is very important when it comes to getting that one job that requires schooling beyond high school. But just like any other thing for every 1 person with a degree, there are thousands more out there with the same degree. It is a competitive job market. You have to set your self apart from the others. No employer wants to hire a bunch of people with the same mind set. This is coming from a entrepreneur. Since these are trying times people need to start preparing to be very competitive. This is what sets the successful apart from the mediocre employee.

@Sydney

LMAO! Juan Williams kills me, you know I’m a conservative so I see him on Faux News all the time trying to sound so….you know….

@SYDNEY- *waves hello back*

@CARAMEL CAT- *waves hello*

@Slide Like A Fresh Pair of Gators

Odds aren’t in your favor that things will work out for you financially if you don’t have a college degree in this day and age… You know the truth…
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Maybe so, but there are lots of ways to make good money that also don’t require a degree. Just ask your neighborhood drug dealer LOL!!

Hey Ms. EJ!

And the way things are going, if you don’t have a college degree you better start practicing saying the following:

“Hi, Welcome to McDonalds – How may I help you”

I’m being extreme but you get my point…

You limit your options and the opportunities available to you if you don’t further your education past a high school diploma, in MOST instances…

Don’t get mad at me and act like I knocked that mop out of your hand – YOU chose to not go to school = trade school or college…

Hey Slide, comical as usual!

I am tireeeeed!!!!!!
12/16/09, 15:51:pm

Having a degree is very important when it comes to getting that one job that requires schooling beyond high school. But just like any other thing for every 1 person with a degree, there are thousands more out there with the same degree. It is a competitive job market. You have to set your self apart from the others. No employer wants to hire a bunch of people with the same mind set. This is coming from a entrepreneur. Since these are trying times people need to start preparing to be very competitive. This is what sets the successful apart from the mediocre employee.
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YES!
The interview is a major way to do that.
I know I have gotten jobs by looking good (BUSINESS SUIT, NOT BUSINESS CASUAL), smiling and being pleasant.
I’m articulate and I have personality.
Making people feel comfortable with you (especially being black) is the MAJOR part of getting that job.

AND BE PREARED!

If you have an interveiw, STUDY that company.
I was hired by a company recently. I studied their website. I asked a question about something I read on their website and how interesting it sounded.

They had no idea what I was talking about.
So we went online (during my interview) and I pointed it out. They smiled and said it was a marketing statement and laughed.
I was called that day and basically promised the job.

It showed i was thorough, had intellectal curiosity and I wanted to work for them.

IMHO, It doesn’t take much. But people do the bare minimum.

@6am, do you still give or loan out old college papers? I have some students who would benefit from them?

@Slide Like A Fresh Pair of Gators
12/16/09, 15:57:pm

Don’t get mad at me and act like I knocked that mop out of your hand – YOU chose to not go to school = trade school or college…
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FOR REAL!
I will never turn my nose up at trade school vs. a 4yr college either…
Depending on what you want to do, Trade Schools are the BUSINESS..

And someone mentioned about about getting in on The Going GREEN Intiative.
Learning how to do build houses specifically will be BIG BUSINESS….

@DIVINE- “If you have an interview, STUDY that company.” You are so right on with this comment. I agree 100% with the whole comment in general. I too, have done the same and have received great results and the same as you.

How many rich families do we have compared to Whites? And I’m talking about the Rothchilds? the Rockefellers? the Kennedys?

Haha we probably have alot of them, but they are probably in hiding – cause cats be robbing folks these days

Txhustla15

12/16/09, 16:06:pm

How many rich families do we have compared to Whites? And I’m talking about the Rothchilds? the Rockefellers? the Kennedys?

Haha we probably have alot of them, but they are probably in hiding – cause cats be robbing folks these days
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rofl!

Bob Johnson is probably the only rich black man many people can name off the top of their heads…sad.

I strongly believe in the value of a sound education. I am of African descent and an education has enabled to attain heights and break barriers that I never thought I could break. The key to having a college degree that works for you is doing ur research and having a degree that would put you ahead. It pains me that as minorities we still think that education is not needed to succeed in today’s society. Except you are a talented artist or athelet education is a crown that would enable you to hold your head high and get rid off Ignorance.

I know my parents love me. . .stand behind me, come what may. . .

Oops, sorry, all.

I’m sure others have mentioned it but lets not forget INTERNSHIP/EXTERNSHIP are soooooooooo important. A degree is good but a degree w/ experience is GREAT! It really hurt me that I spent my summer and winter breaks gettin high with friends and waiting tables instead of doing internships

there are lots of ways to make good money that also don’t require a degree
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@Old Timer

Like what selling Avon???

You grew up at a time when Black people were getting hosed with fire hydrants, bit by dogs, hit upside the head for trying to get an education and you’re advising BLACK people to NOT further their education??? WTF

Have you forgotten about when you used have an afro and wear a dashiki???

Remember “Fight the Power”, “I’m Black and I’m Proud”… Do those “upliftment of Black” slogans ring a bell???

With a college education MORE opportunities are presented before you to make MORE money and live a more comfortable life = point blank period.

If you don’t want the extras in life and you just want to go back and forth to work doing menial tasks do you, but there’s more to life than work… AND having a fulfilling & rewarding job is better than someone telling you “there’s a clean up in aisle 4 and when you finish can you clean the ladies bathroom someone had mud butt and well”…

@GQJoe

Whether you a have a degree or not, you still have to put your hustle hat on.

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This is what I’m trying to really push in this thread. I think some people have the mentality that all is easy-going after getting the degree and although our job market is suffering overall, people are still in the mindset that certain things are entitled to them. You actually work HARDER after getting the degree because you have to prove that all that studying means something.

@Sydney

Girl, I know. I used to look at the tv and almost get physically ill listening to him. He had the nerve to say that Obama was only friends with Reverend Wright and attended that church to prove he was ‘black enough’…..smh….

@GQJoe
12/16/09, 16:07:pm

I have a college degree, & took the LSAT, yet I can attest that “the mind is a terrible thing to waste” is definitely a farce. Whether you a have a degree or not, you still have to put your hustle hat on
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OK.
“the mind is a terrible thing to waste” is definitely NOT a farce

?????????

However,
hustle = better chance for success in my opinion.

‘I know now that I’m ready yeah…for I’ve finally heard them say….it’s a different world…hmmmm…then where ya come from….yes it is now….yeah

….here’s our chance to make it, if we focus on our goals, you can dish it, we can take it yeah, just remember that you’ve been told…’

@DRENK- Internships are a must I feel while attending college. You are absolutely correct on that.

@CARAMEL CAT- LOL-Girl, you I am right with you singing that song (BTW that was my show).

I am right with you*

@Ms.EJ

Girl, I used to get so excited when that intro came on. Aretha killed it, I always wanted it to last longer than what it did….lol, I guess they couldn’t have an intro last too long lmao!

Caramel Cat™
12/16/09, 16:19:pm

@GQJoe

Whether you a have a degree or not, you still have to put your hustle hat on.

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This is what I’m trying to really push in this thread. I think some people have the mentality that all is easy-going after getting the degree and although our job market is suffering overall, people are still in the mindset that certain things are entitled to them. You actually work HARDER after getting the degree because you have to prove that all that studying means something.
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OF COURSE.
Believe me you will be tested.
And you have to continue to be educated.
That’s a life long processes.

I think when people devalue the value of an education it hurts us as a community.

People like Russell Simmons disservice our kids, by telling them they don’t need and education and to look at him, but then on the other hand, tell them everyone can’t be a rapper or entertainer.

And people who have degrees and don’t also hustle, do the minimum and rely only on that piece of paper ALSO devalue education.

there are lots of ways to make good money that also don’t require a degree. Just ask your neighborhood drug dealer
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@Old Timer

I actually grew up with drug dealers… And it’s CRYSTAL CLEAR to me that you don’t know ANYTHING about the drug game…

I remember when I was going to Undergrad and I would come back and they would talk to me about how proud they were of me and how fortunate I was because they hated their life in the streets and knew it was no way to live despite how things looked on the outside…

The ones that didn’t get killed had been stabbed, shot, teeth knocked out…

Nowadays between the snitches and surveillance cameras everywhere… Do you know how hard it is to sell drugs and get away with it for a decent amount of time to make real money like back in the day???

PLUS this ain’t the late 80s early 90s AIN’T N.OBODY selling dr.ugs like that anymore!!!

If so, they’re about to get caught and/or somebody will snitch on them to get less time…

Yeah, sell more poison to those in our community, just what we need…

no-body cares
12/16/09, 13:28:pm

A degree from a top school will always be valued, plus these schools have better alumni networks and thus will keep you connected. If you don’t go to a top 50 undergrad (as per US news), a top 10 liberal arts college, or Howard/Spelman/Morehouse/Hampton (possibly Xavier/Fisk/FAMU) (sorry, but just about every other HBCU is worthless), then you more than likely are wasting money.
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I SOOOOO Disagree with you….
While I attended the a top HBCU, I know MANY a successful african American man and woman who attended an “other” HBCU.

And on the contrary I know folks from Ivy League colleges who work by some accounts would not be considered Successful.

Now the power in the name of some colleges can’t be denied, but I don’t care who you are, you have to SHOW & PROVE.

And Kids from HBCUs (along with any other school) if they show and prove they will succeed.

I’m tired of this HBCU degree than a lazy student.

@CARAMEL CAT- LOL-I know girl. It is amazing at how simple the words were, but yet very important. I was much younger than when the show came out and the characters made college look fun with an equal balance of studying hard.

Caramel Cat™
12/16/09, 16:23:pm

‘I know now that I’m ready yeah…for I’ve finally heard them say….it’s a different world…hmmmm…then where ya come from….yes it is now….yeah

….here’s our chance to make it, if we focus on our goals, you can dish it, we can take it yeah, just remember that you’ve been told…’
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My friends and I were just talking about that!
TV is a powerful medium I swear! LOL!

College was a GOAL! They were role models for many kids and gave us a vision for where we wanted to be.

We need more shows like that again.
Maybe these kids would stop trying to get famous and try getting and education instead.

It is all about where you place your priorities. One can spend $35,000 for a brand new car and live in the ghetto; buy a $1,000 weave and have an empty mind; spend $200 for Prada shoes or Nike sneakers and have stinking busted feet; $5,000 for a boob job and the bras to go with it but, complain about the cost of Tuition and book. These employers can take away your job but they cannot strip you of your education and experience. I have two degrees and can stand in the presence of Leaders with pride and dignity. Enough of looking good on the outside and take care of the inside (spiritually and mentally). Start sowing some seeds into your future. Enough of the excuses!

Hi 5 at @CoCo

I will never turn my nose up at trade school vs. a 4yr college either…
Depending on what you want to do, Trade Schools are the BUSINESS..
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@Divine

Yes, I agree college isn’t for everybody and so if that is the case I believe the individual should go to a trade school and get a skill!!!

At some point in time we all need to call the plumber, take our car to the mechanic, etc…

I always believed and been taught that having a college education would help me enhance my way of living and get me out of the situation i’m in. so i went to college and even got my master’s and i have no career to show for it and can barely get a job in my field. I find myself in tons of student loan debt with two degrees that seem worthless. Although i’ve gained a wealth of knowledge, what good is it if i can’t put it to use?????

@ ALPHA1906 and Divine,

I did not read all of your post. But, I will assume that you all are greek. With that being said that is one of the things that I missed about not going to college. To me the thing that being in a sorority or frat is good for are career connections and you can move to another state and have an instant network of friends.

@ sherrell

this sh!.t.t.y. economy wont last forever and when things turn around, someone with a masters like you will find not a job but a career! i’m headed into to grad school and stayin positive!

comical as usual!
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@Caramel Cat

Thank You

When I’m hanging out with my niece I tell her she’s GOING to college so that she won’t have to depend on no man!!!

And when we’re at McDonald’s I say do you want to do that??? *pointing at the cashier*

Practice saying it with me Sweetie: “Hi, Welcome to McDonald’s – How may I help you?”

Another thing I don’t get is how these non-accredited institutions charge so much money to attend and so many people get student loans to pay that high tuition. Then when the students graduate they have no idea that their degree is likely not worth the paper it’s printed on. No offense to anyone but make sure you are getting a degree from an accredited school. It’s cool to start off small if necessary but when getting into your core classes transfer to an accredited school that employers will respect long term.

Like DeVry has a graduate business school called Keller University. I just wonder how effective that Master’s degree is when employers are scanning resumes…

@sherrell
12/16/09, 16:48:pm

I always believed and been taught that having a college education would help me enhance my way of living and get me out of the situation i’m in. so i went to college and even got my master’s and i have no career to show for it and can barely get a job in my field. I find myself in tons of student loan debt with two degrees that seem worthless. Although i’ve gained a wealth of knowledge, what good is it if i can’t put it to use?????
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What did you get a degree in?

What connections did you make?
Did you utilize all the tools they provide you?

Because no one has a job right now unless you are in IT or healthcare.

Furthermore, why don’t you work for yourself?
If you can’t find value in your own degree enough that you would higher yourself, then why would anyone else.

I have a friend who is one of those odd majors Psychology. And no one is hiring.
So she started her own consultant firm. She goes around and speaks to groups and companies on different topics of her expertise.

EDUCATION + HUSTLE = SUCCESS

Caramel Cat™
12/16/09, 16:55:pm

Like DeVry has a graduate business school called Keller University. I just wonder how effective that Master’s degree is when employers are scanning resumes…
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I wonder too.

But I do know what they also have is a network of companies that hirer from them because of their track record.
So I’m not sure what people outside their network think, but I know they have a network.

@SHERELL- Though it may not make you feel any better, but know that you are not alone. Unfortunately, there are many people who are in your situation during this tough economic time. I have a friend who is in the same boat as you. It will get better. Keep your head up and God will work it out no matter how bad it looks on the surface.

LOL @ Caramel

Girl, I loved that show.

@Mock

“I read that article about Helena and in my opinion they need to just forget about finding a man or letting a man find them and just be with each other.”

I’m sorry, girl (and no disrespect to you), but I’m strictly d***ly, and I’m very happy with the man in my life, but, I’ve certainly seen a number of women couples around town (more than in the past, I think).

what good is it if i can’t put it to use?????
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@sherrell

Do you know who Jesus is???

If so, then pray and then after that hit the internet job websites, reach out your local Alumni Organization, School Career Center, etc…

@sherrell

Real talk, you have to stay on your grind. It will all pay off in the end.

Good night everyone *exits*

@Divine

Ok, you are right. Now that I think about it most people I know that went to those kinds of schools seem to always stay employed through a network. It’s nothing glamourous but the network keeps things moving…

Bye Ms. EJ

I’m out this thread too, it’s kind of dead now, but I’m also about to leave the gig. Everyone, get an EDUCATION! No one can take that from you and the opportunities are endless…

Correction: Not a consultant firm. She became an independent consultant.

She also teamed up with anothe friend in the same boat.

You just can’t walk up into a place of business without a degree trying to give advice. LOL!!
No credibility.

@Sherree, as CaramelCat said you have to grind.
You have the tools. Things will get better.
Perservere!

Peace and Blessing everyone!

The education system…much like the American system elsewhere…

Is to maintain the status quo. Tuition prices continuously rise beyond wages in order to keep people indebted. However, WITH OUT attending college your future looks even more bleak. You are forced to take the lesser of two evils.

This sort of division between the haves and have nots has brought down many an empire…

e-ka
12/16/09, 16:51:pm

@ ALPHA1906 and Divine,

I did not read all of your post. But, I will *****ume that you all are greek. With that being said that is one of the things that I missed about not going to college. To me the thing that being in a sorority or frat is good for are career connections and you can move to another state and have an instant network of friends.
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True.
While I haven’t interviewed with anyone in my sorority or any other Black greeklettered org.

I have had sorors of mine be hired by execs of companies and presidents of universities at our national conferences and just thru our networks. Or just get leads on jobs thru the black greek connection.
Membership does have many benefits.

In my opinion, unless you are studying to be a Doctor, Lawyer, Engineer, etc, a college degree isnt worth the paper its printed on these days. When I am at the settlement table and foreigners that cant read or write a lick of english can buy homes with cash it reenforces my opinion about a college degree in America. However, I hear a college degree carries a lot more weight in a foreign country than America.

America needs more vocational schools….

All these comments were very interesting, definitely a good read. I will keep my thoughts to myself on this one, but interesting indeed…

Obtaining a college degree depends on if you know what you want to do, have connections, and if the field you want to work in really needs it. Most people do not end up working in their field after college. Matter of fact, none of my friends or myself currently work in our fields. We are making less than the expected salary, but thankfully have jobs. However, the jobs that we have now we didn’t need a degree in and there are currently managers who didn’t get a degree and that are younger than me who are making a lot more than me salary wise.

Of all of the people I went to college with, I was the only one who was able to get a job w/in my field after college…and I hated it. I found out after the fact that all of the other positions in the field I got my degree in required 7 to 10 plus years of experience and a very saturated waiting list to get the interesting and top paying positions I was hoping to get out of college. I’d have to start off at the same salary as non college students and wait years just to get to those positions. It wasn’t even worth it.

In conclusion, for those thinking about attending college, start figuring out what you want to do now, before you end up owing a ridiculous sum later for a job you either can’t stand, can’t get, or got but pays too little because you have no experience. I recommend everyone to have a plan b while you are in college, and look for the most cost efficient way to finish it. If you can get a job to pay for your schooling, even better for you. Look at it from the long run, not the short run re:the amount of money college costs, and the availability of the job. Hell i’d even reccomend being a double major at this point just to be on the safe side. The second major being for a field thats in high demand to make sure you getting a check once its all said and done.

@6am

What type of engineer are you?
I am thinking of switching from chemical to biomedical any thoughts?

nuttin’ beats a good education!!!

Here is my Question:
Rihanna as an example or yu can use ani one as a matter of fact that: she does not even have a highschool degree she is making more money than some doctors and lawyer at the end of the day it realy makes yu think.. some ppl dont have the education and make millions and some go through all those years of skool and all that debt and still work 10$ an hr jobs.. its ridiculous sometimes i wonder…

@Qn I understand how you feel. Bill Gates is the richest man in America and dropped out of college. I graduated from college 8 years ago and barely make over $30,000 a year. I’m currently in school trying to get my Master’s and hope it makes a difference.
Growing up you hear how much a degree makes a difference but 8 years later and $15,000 of student loans. This is not to discourage anyone from going to college but make sure you choose your degree and city carefully, something they left out in The Cosby Show and A Different World.

Is important to have one, first off for the basis of Intellect. There are so many things that we as asdults need to have knowledge on. many of those will be taught throughout our college life. The biggest factor in having one is simple: Better Pay. Im in the process of getting back in school, and let me be the first to tell you, when you do not have a collge degree, IT IS HARDER. I dont care what anyone says. if you dont believe that, log on to Career Weekly or Indeed Jobs. com and select any reaosnable paying job (out of minimum wage) a degree is a requirement. Unless you have 5 yrs or more of experience. if you are still in your early 20′s like me, then you know that’s not possible. A degree is basically like a badge. It’s needed in many situations. Most importanly financial ones. Unless you are a discovered an very gifted singer or actress\actor that has made it big. unless you have a large inheritance sum hanging out in your bank account, a college education is the only way to a successful future for most. Where are you going to work, how are you going to raise your children, what type of home are you going to purchase? All those questions lead to one answer: the type of career in which you chose to obtain. And lets not get on the color factor. If you are a minority without any type of college education, you are bound to have it harder. These are just cold hard facts, guys.

I went to college, graduated 5 years ago. It was an investment. Thankfully, I chose a major with an actual career path, so those loan payments are no big deal.

Some people can do it without a degree, but I couldn’t. I needed that training.

Having a degree is priceless. Having a CAREER as opposed to a job is is priceless!

As far as this whole “caste system” and college is just a way for employers to screen applicants…There are many things you learn in college that will make you qualified to be an accountant, a financial analyst, a teacher, a registered nurse, a psychologist, an engineer, an architect, etc. For those who think that most college graduates make $10-15 per hour…you’re largely mistaken. And honestly, those who do have a college degree and work for such low wages may not have majored in a professional specific major like I listed above.

I am a college graduate and am working on my PhD. All of my associates and friends who are college graduates earn very good salaries. I expect to make about $60,000 (living in TX)when I’m finished and my fiancee is an engineer and he already makes much more than that now.

On top of having an honest salary, having a college degree often times affords you the opportunity to do what you enjoy as opposed to pushing papers or doing any other mundane task. Or maybe having that college degree will give you the opportunity to be a supervisor or manager in your department.

College isn’t for everyone, but if you have specific career interests and the motivation and determination needed to be successful, there is no reason you should associate college with a dead-end job!

Be Blessed!

I’m just laughing at the correlation of grammatical errors among the postings by people who say they don’t need a degree…The irony is too much right now….Trust me…a lot of what you learn in college, you don’t learn in the classroom. You make powerful connections, you learn to see the world and yourself differently…Everyone needs schooling….No matter where you are in life, If it is at all possible for you to go back to school….Go!!! And excel at it. Think of the sacrifices that our ancestors made for us to have the right to education…Most other countries don’t offer education the way the US does…. Sad that blacks take it for granted and refuse to go into debt for the investment. Just another way that we are held back. Overcome the fear and uncertainty….so you can flourish!

To further my commentary. Whats the use of having a degree if you have no money management skills. Live below your your means and be frugal. Some of us get caught up in the status and materialistic dreams then we look around and dont have a dime in our savings accounts.

Furthermore, the institution of college is to primarily put you in debt. High School seniors need to have a firm idea of what they want to do in life. Sometimes all it takes is a trade school, good connections and perserverance to make it out here. Dont graduate from an institution with a Communications degree and expect a job to be handed to you.

Just a word of advice to College Graduates that owe money, make principle payments on top of your regular monthly payments to earn a little more financial freedom….

I’m a HR Generalist and you need to get your college degree or some type of training. Where I work, if you don’t have a high school diploma, don’t even waste your time applying.

College gives you more choices!

People with high school diplomas earned (on average) 1.2 million over the course of their life.

People with associate (2-yr) degrees earned an average of 1.6 million;

People w bachelor (4-yr) degrees earned an average of 2.1 million;

That’s almost 2x as much in lifetime earnings for people holding 4-yr degrees over those with a high school diploma!

QB – what kind of degree do you have? You must be a social worker or in that field, right? Even with your master’s degree, you won’t make much more. People in that field do it because they LOVE it, not to get rich. [sorry if I'm wrong]

QN – Rihanna is a POOR example! Get a degree, certificate or something!

@ happy trojan,

Thats what Im trying to tell these fools, you need that degree just to stay competitive in the real world and to meet all your goals. You went to USC, tell them how many Asians and Indians were at that muthaf*cka! And USC is right smack in the middle of the hood!

I know one USC Law School graduate 6 years removed from school, she made $560k last year and she said she didnt even work harder than any other year! Now do ya’ll get it?

@ Mz Fitt,

Im gonna take you on my “6am how to fix the hood and bring black people into the 21st century lecture tour”

Thats right after I construct the “6am build a wall around bama deep south to protect Black people from ignorant n*ggas/n*ggettes”

You know what Im talking about luv, you’ve seen people walk into your HR office in braids, wifebeaters, smackin’ on gum, carrying cryin’ babies, in flip flops with ugly feet, cant even form a sentence and asking if they can take the application home and bring it back (because they dont know their soc sec. number and they cant fill that muthaf*cka out), and they may even get pissed when you tell them to apply online!

lol, love 6am

6am, answers to every question every time!

Yes, I see it all and it “ain’t” pretty! Some people will never get it and those who do, flourish!

I do the “tours” at a lot of welfare to work organizations, churches and even regular job fairs. I love talking to people about their attire, resumes, tats, etc. I really enjoy trying to get people to understand how important it is to go to college or to get some type of training (electrician, plumber, etc) because they won’t move forward in life. I could go on and on about this subject.

@6am
Thanks for your recommendation
I will definitely go to the BP website
Speaking of the University Of Hawaii, I have met a few really cool Filipinos here in Chicago that graduated from University of Hawaii at Hilo

@nerdgurl
Its so awesome your in dental school
My honey is a Orthodontist and he loves the profession. Yes, he had debt but he worked hard inorder to open his own practice

Good Luck!

OT: This site has the Nice O’ Meter of Pure Rage. Good grief. I feel like the curse filter is laughing at us all.

Can I just add that just because in 2 years I will have earned my 3rd degree, does not mean I think I’m better than a person who never went or graduated from college. Nor do I think I am better able to function as a human being because I went to school past high school. I am quite sure I could’ve hustled my way to the top without a degree, cuz I’m just the bomb like lol j/k . I’m proud of my achievements but I’m not trying to put anybody down. If you don’t want to go to college or you don’t think it’s for you, then that’s your decision. In my opinion, I think it’s worth it. But the point is, you are the creator of you own life and destiny and it’s up to you what you want to do with it. Just don’t knock something until you try it…

@Speechless
Nobody can knock you for your hustle. Clearly you worked your butt off to get to where you are today and you didn’t need a degree to do it. That’s awesome! And seeing that you actually went to college and tried it out, I definitely think you have a right to have an opinion about whether or not to go to college. I disagree about college being an option for most of the world though. I think college may be an unattainable dream for most of the world. There’s not many countries with opportunities like the US. People want to complain about America but I’d rather be here than in some other places around the world. I also disagree with your statements about college creating complacency…for who? I don’t think complacency has anything to do with a degree or college, that depends on the person and type of personality they have. No one has to be stuck where they are at, if you’re not happy, if you’re bored then do something to change your situation. You don’t need a degree to figure that out.

@ progressive woman

Thank you!

The fact is a college degree today is just to weed out the competition. I have met many people white, black, hispanic with college degrees but are dumb and clueless to the world around them. One time people went to college to become educated and worldly e.g. speak, THINK, argue(not quarrel) in an intelligent manner. Nowadays a college degree is a prerequisite to obtain an office job, because no one ( Americans < 45 year of age) want to get dirty anymore. So what we have is thousand upon thousands of college graduates with soft science or humanities degrees.

We have to many business administrators, psychology, sociology, history, management majors and not enough physics, math, computer science, or engineering majors. This is especially true amongst black college students, I would say over 95% of blacks attending college today is in an 'easy' curriculum major. Many just want that degree to flaunt in the face of other blacks or to tell whites "hey I made it, are you proud of me", we don't go to school to become educated, many attend college today for training in paper pushing.

We as black also dismiss the trades, my relatives in welding, air conditioning, plumbing, diesel mechanics all earn over $70K per year. One of my brainiac young cousin who majored in biomedical engineering in college dropped out his junior year in college to became an union elevator constructor, for the past 6 years he has averaged over $150K.

The college graduates need to concentrate on their studies which may give them a better a life to lead. As there are many field that they can prove themselve but dedication is the major issue.

Bein’ a J.C. dropout ain’t so bad…Hell, I make between 85 & 90 a year, no kids, a 700+ credit score, a thrivin’ Roth IRA, 401K and a retirement savings plan…And since we’re livin’ in a long term recession, bein’ debt free is lookin’ real advantageous right about now. I tell ya’, this recesssion is the great equalizer, considerin’ a lot of these college graduates are scramblin’ for Barrista jobs at the local Starbucks, huh?

I noticed at the college that I work for, whites don’t need to have degrees for what they do, or to be promoted but blacks do. Why is that? Several lawsuits later, the answer is still unknown.

If education is what you sell, you would make sure that most of your people have one…..but that isn’t true. Along with Bill Gates, Michael Dell, Steve Jobs, Rush Limbaugh and Rosie O’Donnell, Karl Rove and most of Hollywood, sport stars and music artists all made it without degrees, so it isn’t an absolute necessity.

Please get your college degree. I graduated in ’80 right at the start of Regan’s term and the end of Carter’s. There were gas lines, wars, and Regan was taking the bite out of the civil rights laws. There were plenty of us college grads on my first low paying job. But as the economy improved so did my employment.

Some companies will not look at you without a piece of paper. Because of a ever shrinking pool of good paying opportunities employers can afford to be picky. Those without the piece of paper will be left out.

Manufacturing jobs are all but completely gone. This was a source allowed a lot of families to live well.

Just be wise in your career choices and debt. You will also have to look at the cost of income of were you are living and perhaps move to an area were the cost of living is not so high. The trade off is a better lifestyle for your family.

As a recent college graduate (DECEMBER 14, 2009), I believe that college is an invaluable tool for attaining and obtaining knowledge. The acquisition of this knowledge and education is what will then help graduates filter into the workforce to become successful in the work environment. The problem however, is that many students (HBCUs & PWIs) do not take college seriously; their primary goal is to pass classes, not to learn. Therefore, the learning aspect is removed and tactics are used with the sole intentions to pass classes, not to learn.

This means, students will cheat, cram the night before, not go to class, not purchase books etc. Only so that they can pass a class. So of course when you go into the workforce and you are looking for a job and you have no idea what is going on, you arent going to get that job.

I do believe that everyone should not go to college, and that society should stop putting such a strong emphasis on people attending. Some people have no true desire to become academics or scholars; they just want to make money. And there is nothing wrong with this, however, by forcing these people into institutions of higher education it just taints the purpose and the drive of true academics.

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@ Redd Tony

i agree that america needs more vocational schools, because ive met many people who arent into book smarts BUT they could take apart a car engine and put it back together with eyes closed. The problem all those types of jobs have been sold off to foreign countries because labor is cheaper

I say go to college part-time to pace yourself and to really see what classes will apply to your career goals. Don’t get caught up in the itinerary that the college give u for ur major. Use it as a guide of course for graduating, but also look at it from a devils advocate angle just to make sure that you aren’t being herded into the wrong direction. Take business/entreprenuership courses and keep a vocational trade in your back pocket.

I’ve worked in HR and I’ve been a consultant. I know the cruddy stuff that goes on in the HR dept. and from the executive suite down. All that “who u know” stuff don’t matter either if whoever ur competing against know somebody better/more powerful. Ask God for direction and follow. College is a gamble,not a guarantee. I know people with Ph.Ds who graduated from top schools with all types of accolades under their belt but they are black and sometimes being an educated black is a threat and… the rest is a struggling history. By the way, you have ur own in their tearing each other down too becuz they feel threatned as well. Yeah there is glory at the end of the rainbow but only after the showers have come down. Be smart and ALWAYS look at college as a business and not just step shows.

drenk
12/17/09, 08:54:am

@ Redd Tony

i agree that america needs more vocational schools, because ive met many people who arent into book smarts BUT they could take apart a car engine and put it back together with eyes closed. The problem all those types of jobs have been sold off to foreign countries because labor is cheaper
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What up Drenk!!

True that homie! A lot of American jobs have been sent overseas, but I’m thinking of the entreprenurial stand point.

Business owners mostly run the American ecomonomy. A college degree (in certain studies) would only determine if are good enought to work for somebody else. I dropped out of college years ago and decided to start investing in Real Estate (good debt) and studied to become a Realtor. In addtion I run a moving business with my cousin, which is going great right now. I have a rewarding feeling when I can offer a Brother a job when he gets turned down elsewhere, or offer affordable housing to people who need it. Ofcourse there are ups and down in the business, but hey experience is better than any college course in my opinion. Regardless of what you do you have to be circumspect, hustle, perservere, be committed to what you want to do.

And dont get me wrong, education is King. However you dont need a degree to explore REAL education and truth…

**economy***

The problem is that most college students don’t use their college experience to their advantage. They just go to their required classes and that’s it.

I have a BS in Mechanical Engineering. I do not have an engineering job, but I used my time in college wisely. I discovered that I had an interest in web development, so I took classes related to that. I also worked 3 part-time developer jobs while in college to fine-tune my skills. Now, I have been working as a professional web developer for the past 3 years and make really good money doing it. I have 20k in loans, but I’m not struggling to pay them.

While I don’t have a BS in Computer Science and I went to a local public university, I did have a degree AND experience when I applied for my current job and probably would not have been hired if I had been missing either one.

A college professor once told me that college is just a way of showing employers that you stuck with something for a period of time. I went to college for 4 years…couldn’t afford it so I dropped out. Now I make $35 an hour testing software applications. College isn’t for everyone.

My cousin is from Montreal, went to Princeton, graduated in Summer 08, majored in Poli Sci – just found a job, still not even a job in his field, it’s a job that a very intelligent high school grad can do. I went to school for 4 yrs and altho I’m having SERIOUS job hunt issues, I think my education was priceless. I was lucky tho, for so many of our ppl it’s a luxury. There needs to be more investment by the rich black elite into education, esp tertiary edu, for black youth, no matter what background.

ATHLETES AND RAPPERS I AM LOOKING RIGHT AT UR TRIFLING SELVES.

Everyone is going to have a different experience. There are so many variables, including area of study and networking, which shift the scales. Those who obtain degrees in less generalized areas, such as a plain business degree will probably have more problems in the job market. Specialized degrees, the degree program’s inferred integrity, the graduate’s grades, and the area of the country which a graduate locates to will greatly influence the amount of success one has.

If you want to give yourself the best possible head start after graduation, medicine is the best field. Networking with those who are well connected is imperative. As sad as it may seem, extraordinary intelligence and aptitude in an area and hard work will not supercede connections and and an designer label education.

1. First let me start off with the ones who say they have a good job without that degree; tell me what you’re gonna do if you lose that job? You think youre gonna get lucky twice and find a position that pays the same? I dont think so, you’ll be thrown right into that pool of “degree-less” black people wondering what the f*ck just happened? Good luck on that new job search…….

2. To Speechless,the woman who says shes some kind of playright? Ive read and dissected your paragraphs and its filled with “if’s, maybe’s and hopes” Top hairdressers do earn really well but the difference between haves and have nots is so broad that this isnt a good example. You say youve dated MD’s and PHD’s but they aint didnt marry you and do you know why? because they’d rather procreate with someone who’s on their level intellectually or at least has a degree. That publisher who’s “looking” at your work looks at others work all day everyday too.

Its irresponsible for black people to tell black youth that they shouldnt go to college, f*ck that, its muthaf*ckin’ stupid! Black youth, especially innercity or bama hoodsta’s need that advantage of a college education. Do you really think its productive to have an 18 year old choose to work at a factory for $15 an hour and hopefully get to $25 an hour after 10 years as opposed to going to college for 4 years and coming out with a degree in “Plant Management, Bus Management, Human Resources, etc.” and walking through those same plant doors as a Manager with a starting salary of $70k plus bonus and annual increases with unlimited advancement potential? Get the f*ck outta here!

This is why the world, especially progressive black people need someone like me. I give it to you straight with no-filler, no B.S. and I call a spade a spade. You have other people like Mz Fitt (HR manager) and Progressive Black Woman doing the same.

You should really listen to the HR Manager because I dont care how much your interviewer likes your azz, its the HR Manager that has to sign off on everything and they’re looking for (and i hate to say this but its true) Non- ghetto ethnic sounding names “Loquisha, Shaneeka, Shaquanda, Marquan etc” and i know one of the first things they look at is education then work experience, and in 9 times out of 10, education can substitute for work experience, maybe 3 out of 10 work experience can help if you have no education. So think about it, would you rather work 10 years to earn even less than you’d get if you came in with a degree? I wouldnt.

Oh and if its a white kid with no experience and a college degree; meet your new supervisor!

6am, pure genius, sage advice and hate me all you want but you know I’m right!

“but they aint didnt marry you”? But they did’nt marry you”

Sorry ya’ll, once again 6am isn’t a typist.

didn’t

Ok let me find another room to chastise!

boi. that picture is of ohio state. lmao. perfect for me.

I HAVE A COLLEGE DEGREE AND STILL CANT FIND A GOOD JOB…PPL GET JEALOUS OF U WHEN THEY SEE THAT U FINISHED SCHOOL AND THEN THEY FIND WAYS 2 GET RID OF U…SMH I WISH THAT I WOULD’VE GOT A AA OR A TECHNICAL DEGREE B/C MY BACHELORS DON’T MEAN SH!T

Heres how I can tell youre a liar;

1. That ghetto-azz name.
2. No person with a 4 year degree wishes they’d gotten a 2 year or tech certificate instead.
3. People hire you then find ways to get rid of you once they see you finished school? Dummy they know you finished school before they hired your lyin’ azz!

See how serious topics bring out the most ignorant heffas on the net? This b*tch doesnt have a degree, I’d be surprised if she got a G.E.D. before one of her illegitimate kids got theirs!

Love 6am

That above post was for KANEESIA!

Education is very important.. Now days you have to have a degree to land high paying jobs. If you take the time to look up high paying positions, you will see the qulifications needed. Go to school and major in the field you like first, but also the major that will land you with a job after you have accomplished your goal. Volenteer, and get your name out their. Employers like to see those who are dedicated to what they are striving for. You must also have experience, because they rather hire someone with experience. It cost least money for them, because training cost and not being able to handle the position you applied for will also cost the company. So yes, get your degree in a field you love and that has high demands. Get out and network and get to know others in your field. Volenteer, so you can gain experiene, so once you receive your degree you will know who and where to turn. First in for most, put God first in your life and he will help you through all your hard work and struggles. He will lead you to the right people and you will be abke to have all your dreams. May God bless you and continue to get your education, you will need it in the long run….. Remember knowledge is power. You just have to get it and know what to do with it. The only way to make it is putting God first….

Yes, always put God first.