Friday, June 20th, 2008
A Vandal’s Manifesto
Posted by Bossip Staff
Last October some nut job defaced Tupac’s statue at the Tupac Amaru Shakur Center for the Arts in Stone Mountain, Georgia. Today the vandal has spoken.
Click HERE to read this fool’s ‘manifesto’ as he justifies his criminal behavior. A note to Tupac fans: read at your own risk.
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LMFAO!
SOMEBODY NEEDS TO CATCH THAT **********A, CUT OFF HIS EYE LIDS AND FEED HIM SLEEPING PILLS, GIVE EM A PAPER CUT AND PUT SALT AND LEMON JUICE IN IT, THEY JUST HAD NOTHING ELSE BETTER TO DO WITH THEIR DAY THAN TO DEFACE PROPERTY, OL ***** IN THE BOOTY ***** *****
I chose not to click the link. I’m one of the few people that wasn’t into Tupac, but why would you crap on the memories of so many people who were feeling what ‘Pac was saying?
We love you Pac ***** a hater!
IM MAD AT THEM TOMMY HILFIGER DRAWS ON THE STATUE HEAD, THEM *****S WENT WAY BACK IN THE CLOSET TO DIG UP THEM CRUSTY ***** SKID MARK BOXERS, SHEESH, IF THEY WAS GON DO IT, AT LEAST HAVE SOME RESPECT AND PUT A FRESH PAIR OF SKIPPYS ON THERE, DAMN THEY TOOK IT TO FAR WITH THE TOMMYS
dude is like 43 years old…you too damn old for this. There’s other social unjustices in the black community to focus on than besides vandalizing with a statue…
Hannibal….
How is that ***** funny?
THATS TRULLY DISRESPECTFUL!!!
isnt the point of the center to guide young ppl in the right way… n give them a positive outlet..i.e music etc?…
Becuz it just is Nikki!
SOME PEOPLE JUST DON’T HAVE ANYTHING ELSE BETTER TO DO!!!!
HOW U GON DISRESPECT THE DEAD LIKE THAT???
I don’t agree with what he did, but I agree with his reasoning. Tupac was found guilty of rape, called women *****es in his music, and he glamorized thug life. I don’t think there should be a statue of him dressed as a preacher and holding a bible. That was never a image he portrayed in life.
The guy didn’t have to deface the statue, but I can understand why. Maybe he should have just protested.
hold on wait a minute…..the statue got draws on the head???
I looked at this staute and thought it was a black civil rights leader
of the 60s, because for sure the attire of the statue threw me off
I could have sworn that it was a reverend of some kind and not Tupac.
this crazy ***** who defamed the staue may have a point there
on presenting Tupac like a damn benevolent man, he was complex and hypocritical at times
but alas that was made him TUPAC-A-LYPSE
I don’t know what to say……..thats crazy, he could have gone about it in a different way, I’m not telling the man to have NO opinion but its freedom of speech not freedom of crime, do ***** right!
cosigning with dont like me…
when I saw that statue I was thinking what did tupac REALLY do to deserve a statue..i mean dont get me wrong tupac was beyond talented..died far too soon..and while it made me shudder to read that the man said God killed pac because he was evil and portrayed himself as Jesus on his album cover, I can understand why he doesnt agree with people acting like tupac was a God or anything close…he did have some eye opening lyrics but would then turn around and talk about hoes and killing folks and the whole 9 sooo not sure hes someone kids should be trying to emulate or anything like that..i dont know what the center does for the community and I dont mean to disrespect the dead but I can see some of the points the man was trying to make
he speaks the truth
I do agree with his sentiments.
Tupac did not live what he preached.
More times than not, he exhibited weak, foolish, hypercritical and foolish minded, decisions, actions, statements etc, etc, etc
Perhaps though, he could of found a better way to share his sentiments than vandalism though.
I take issue with his methods…BUT I AGREE WITH HIS MESSAGE.BTW…whose “genius” idea was it to name a center for the arts after this clown? That PAC & BIGGIE have taken on mythical proportion since their death is something shameful.
i don’t think that was a good thing to do what did he do to you that man is not even living anymore(that we know of ) and his people are still in this world and what if your dumb wa killed and someone put a ststue of you up and they did the same thing
and really ok he didn’t practice what he preached but still he don’t have no right to go and vandalize anyones property
I am sorry was what he saying not the TRUTH?!! you shouldn’t vandalize property but his reasons make complete sense. Tupac was by no means a messiah to anyone. he was a good artist that made bad decisions.
Wow! I really thought that these comments would be on some “Eff that dude, he crazy, long live Tupac’ stuff, but I am pleasantly surprised that we have taken the time to really discuss the issues. I agree, Tupac did not live his life (or at least publicly) in a way that should be emulated by our young people. We can celebrate his talent and memory and the good (however little) that he did for his people and/or community without making up fairytales about who he was. Let’s just be honest.
anyone notice that anyone who puts themselves on the cover looking like Jesus gets slapped. look at remy
Ms. Nish
That’s why the guy that defaced the statue will get a fine and maybe some community service for vandalism. He shouldn’t get off scott-free.
I don’t agree with many images, statues, and ideas, but I don’t vandalise them.
whoa! i thought that was a statue of a priest..i have never seen a picture of Tupac dressed that way, so their sybolism is off..and i think this is a hate crime regardless of the fact that Tupac and the suspect are of the same race, clearly this man does not like Tupac
Wow! Dont know what to say about that one, but the guy has some valid points. To be portrayed as a preacher is wrong, and Pac had some issues with the law, and with women. Yeah, he did some bad things, but would as many of the youth at that time been able to relate or connect with him, if he was as clean as say, Will Smith? For him to be held high in most peoples eyes is cool, but everybody has trouble they go through, thats what makes them “real” or easy for most to relate to. BTW, how could this dude deface a public statue, and preach Christian values while puttin Tommy draws on its head? SMH!
We idolize such dumb asz shyt in our communities. Why do we idolize these hip-hop artisist more than we GOD. I don’t get it. Maybe that is why we have the mess and the foolishness that we have in our neighborhoods. I guess GOD has said you all have turned your backs on me so have at it. I get what this guy is talking about. Maybe he went about in a crazy kind of way, but, I understand his frustration. I am sick of these artisist getting glorified for basically nothing. I am sorry that he was killed I wouldn’t wish that on anyone, but, does he deserve a statue. Nope.
That dude needs a job. He got to much time on his hands if all he can think about is how much he hates tupac…. What stupid is he doesn’t know him or his mother obviously…. Tupac man has been gone a long time and hypocritical or not he also did alot of good things.
All most ppl know of him is his superstar image…I was young when I meet him (he was already very famous) and he wasn’t much, in his “everyday” life, like his records and image would have him appear…And was very sad about the expectation he had to live up to.. Good and bad. If he wasn’t rapping about killing and ho, he was not real enough and not making the money he needed to take care of his responsibilities. When he was, we loved it and glorified him… Tupac was not unlike any person who is complex…He wanted to be loved.
@ tanisha
Yes, I def. noticed that. Even biggie with his Ready to Die title. Biggie made one really disrepsectful song that started with the lyrics, “If I die, ***** it I want to go to Hell”, and even more way out lyrics after in the same song. God is not to be disrespected or played with, even for artistic expression. If you stand on something before the world like they did, God will make it so IMO. Dude should have found another way to express his dissent for the Center tho for real. RIP to PAC and BIGGIE.
OKAY HANNIBAL.. I USUALLY DON’T SAY SH*T. BUT TODAY I THINK THAT U WANT TO MUCH ATTENTION! U NEED TO CHILL ON THAT ISH!
FORREAL SOMEONE NEED TO BEAT THIS CLOWN’S *****!
IT ISN’T LIKE 2PAC DIDN’T RAP THE TRUTH! SOMEONE NEED TO VANDALIZE THIS FOOLS HOUSE! ***** THAT!
HE BETTER WATCH HIS BACK!
DUDE NEED TO GO SUCK HOG MAWS OR SOMETHING! IM *****ED! CLEAN THE STATUE DAMNIT! NOW!
How many statues of WASP pillagers,plunderes, slave holders, and rapist do you see on your campuses, in front of your state and federal office buildings? My bet is that you see them everywhere you go. So don’t give my any crap about their being a Tupac statue when there’s probably a few statues of some foul characters in the White House lobby.
He was talking to bunch of elementary student at the hip hop conference one year in DC at howard and we asked what he wanted to be when he was young… He said he always loved the “arts”, but he wanted to be a “preacher and insprire ppl”. That probably Y his mom did that…. Who to say that he wouldnt..Malcom X was once a conflicted man.
dude was wrong PLAIN AND SIMPLE for vandalizing, Pac.
and lastly (because I’m ticked) how can we act like we know all there is to know about Pac, the man?
Hell, Malcom X was a thug known as Detroit Red and you see what time and experience led him to become.
he might be on to something. and why tupic has to look like a preacher?
His manifesto could have been written better but it was on point!
o aight sugar mo
im not a tupac fan but i wouldnt desecrate a statue or an artist
Yeah, Pac had issues and he’d be the first one to tell you so. No need to disrepect his likeness just cuz you don’t agree with him or like him.
Lyrically, he was a freaking master of his craft. Yeah, funny how folks start hating on you and belittling your life after you’re gone.
Desecration is not cool!
The real issue is why doesn’t Curtis Mayfield have a statue? Or is he too obscure for you whelps?
Wait – There’s a statue of Tupac?
arieDaGuru
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How many statues of WASP pillagers,plunderes, slave holders, and rapist do you see on your campuses, in front of your state and federal office buildings? My bet is that you see them everywhere you go. So don’t give my any crap about their being a Tupac statue when there’s probably a few statues of some foul characters in the White House lobby.
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You’re joking right? How about this: TWO WRONGS DON’T MAKE A RIGHT.Defending a statue of an idiot like TUPAC by noting that there are other statues of IDOIOTS not worthy of respect is a tad FLAWED.
Think it over.
Why in the hell is there a Tu Pak statue anyway??? How has he uplifted any citizens life other than Thug Life. *****’ please..
That’s some stupid *****. Tu Pak statue…that’s some ignorant *****…SMH
TYPO: IDIOTS ;->
Your logic is STILL terribly flawed arieDaGuru.
I don’t agree with him defacing the statue…but I do agree with his statements. Sorry..
DARK CABLE
BECAUSE HE SPOKE REAL *****!
AND OBVIOUSLY HE HAD/HAS FANS THAT WERE FEELING HIM ENOUGH TO DEDICATE A STATUE TO HIM! ***** WHAT ANOTHER THINK..IF THE GOOD OUT WEIGHS THE BAD..THEN YOU HAVE NOTHING TO COMPLAIN ABOUT..
AND FOR THE RECORD 2PAC DIDN’T RAPE THAT GIRL!
Tupac was kind of dressed like that in the Gangsta Party video. Check it out on Youtube.
I agree with him. Tupac was no one we need to erect a statue to. What type of benevolence did he practice? Thug Life? Give me a break!!!
I disagree with the vandal. Yes Tupac was a bit “out there”, but he was caught between speaking the truth about being a Black man living in the hood as he knew it, and fame. And as you know in the music business, “truth tellers” don’t experience the same level of success as commercial “bubble-gum” rappers.
Tupac did not begin his career as the “thug” person he was when he died. In fact he was total opposite. Come on, he started out with the goofy Digital Underground (Humptey-Hump), so how “hard” were they? Then he dropped “Brenda’s Got a Baby”, which was a pretty deep song back then, and was in no way about “thuggin”. If he would have stayed this course, he would have ended up in the same category as Common and other conscious artists–on very little to NO rotation. But when you get hooked up with sleezy music executives and they create this “marketing thug monster” to sell their CDs, the line between reality and fantasy becomes blurred. And that’s exactly what happened to him and thus he became the posterboy for “thuglife”, for fame.
Tupac’s lyrics (not the commercial derogatory stuff that got radio airtime)were deep and meaningful for his time. A lot of his lyrics back then made you stop and think and say “damn, that’s kind of deep.” Hell one university (can’t remember where) had a cl***** strictly on dissecting his life and his lyrics.
I agree with his opinions 100%. In regards to his actions, I don’t mind that he did that. Tupac is no one to me where I would feel disrespected in any way.
@ Dr. Funk
Not only did a “genius” think to name a center after him, but highly intellectual Scholars at Yale, Princeton, Harvard, Stanford and numerous other Ivy League Universities also have courses in his name geared toward understanding his life, work, theories, etc.
Tupac was many things, but one thing he was not was a clown. Many people are writing about the way he depicted women as hoes and *****es, but did that depiction come before or after he was accused of a crime he claimed he didn’t commit??? In his early music most of his references toward women were to make women think about our own self worth and value. His early music was geared toward trying to make the black community critical think about our then current situation. In his later music things changed because he changed. Maybe he felt as if the very community he was trying to uplift turned on him, calling him a rapist, fool, clown, etc. when in truth he was trying to make a positive change for his people. But now, just as it was then, we don’t want to critically think about our situation as a people, but only as individuals. As Tupac once said “how could I kill another brother if he’s close to me?” And my brother, husband, son is every black/brown male face I see on the street.
If we are going to focus on the negative side of Tupac at least let’s take the time to think about where the negativity within this man came from.
Dr, Funk,
TYPO: IDIOTS ;->
Your logic is STILL terribly flawed arieDaGuru
***Sorry, I have to disagre. My logic is not clawed it is FACT. You’re absolutely right, 2 wrongs don’t make a right. So it is not RIGHT for him to desecrate a statue no matter WHAT his beliefs are.
Furhtermore, why all the hate on one man’s statue? We have hundreds if not thousands of statues that glorify men that killed and ordered the killing and enslavement of PEOPLE, actual human beings.
but anyway..
That’s just my opinion.
*flawed
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Yo *****, the ***** who accused tupac of rape also during the trial admitted to sucking his ***** in the middle of a crowded dance floor prior the alleged rape. Btw, the charges was overturned during a court of appeals hearing, that’s why he was released early. Get your facts straight *****.
Oh yeah. He’s not an idiot, either. I don’t think people are stupid because they don’t agree with my. I just think they have their own way of thinking.
He said some f’d up things, and he said some inspirational and positive things. But dude was eloquent and bright. He’s def not or was an idiot
No comment.
Scooby Dubious
The real issue is why doesn’t Curtis Mayfield have a statue? Or is he too obscure for you whelps?
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co-sign 100%.
That was just plain bogus. Why vandalize the statue? Say whats on your mind but don’t go defacing property?
@ Jai-co-sign 100% People just don’t understand the same Tupac we know.
Here’s the lyrics to Brenda’s Got a Baby. This is the Tupac avid fan’s of his knew and understood. Read it and weep (literally):
Brenda’s Got A Baby”
Brenda’s got a Baby
Brenda’s got a Baby
I hear Brenda’s got a baby
But, Brenda’s barely got a brain
A damn shame
The girl can hardly spell her name
(That’s not our problem, that’s up to Brenda’s family)
Well let me show ya how it affects the whole community
Now Brenda really never knew her moms and her dad was a
junky
Went in death to his arms, it’s sad
Cause I bet Brenda doesn’t even know
Just cause your in the ghetto doesn’t mean ya can’t grow
But oh, that’s a thought, my own revelation
Do whatever it takes to resist the temptation
Brenda got herself a boyfriend
Her boyfriend was her cousin, now lets watch the joy end
She tried to hide her pregnancy, from her family
Who didn’t really care to see, or give a damn if she
Went out and had a church of kids
As long as when the check came they got first dibs
Now Brenda’s belly is gettin bigger
But no one seems to notice any change in her figure
She’s 12 years old and she’s having a baby
In love with the molester, who’s sexing her crazy
And yet she thinks that he’ll be with her forever
And dreams of a world with the two of them are together,
whatever
He left her and she had the baby solo, she had it on the
bathroom floor
And didn’t know so, she didn’t know, what to throw away and
what to keep
She wrapped the baby up and threw him in the trash heep
I guess she thought she’d get away
Wouldn’t hear the cries
She didn’t realize
How much the the little baby had her eyes
Now the baby’s in the trash heep balling
Momma can’t help her, but it hurts to hear her calling
Brenda wants to run away
Momma say, you makin’ me lose pay, the social workers here
everyday
Now Brenda’s gotta make her own way
Can’t go to her family, they won’t let her stay
No money no babysitter, she couldn’t keep a job
She tried to sell crack, but end up getting robbed
So now what’s next, there ain’t nothing left to sell
So she sees sex as a way of leaving hell
It’s paying the rent, so she really can’t complain
Prostitute, found slain, and Brenda’s her name, she’s got a baby
Baby
(don’t you know she’s got a baby)
(don’t you know she’s got a baby)
(don’t you know she’s got a baby)
(don’t you know she’s got a baby)
(don’t you know she’s got a baby)
(don’t you know she’s got a baby)
Maybe this guy should have taken another apporach besides vandalism to get his point across, but I agree with some of what he is saying about Tupac..Tupac was a good rapper but a bit little overrated and he talked too damn much, however he was a great poet and song writer. And I think dressing him like A preacher is a bit over the top.
Scooby Dubious
The real issue is why doesn’t Curtis Mayfield have a statue? Or is he too obscure for you whelps?
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U ain’t lyin’…. Curtis’ music actually uplifted and inspired black people and was the soundtrack 2 the civil rights movement. Not only that, but at a time when black artists were getting screwed in the business, Curtis was a model of black self-reliance. Result? When he was paralyzed, he didn’t need 2 ask anybody 4 help or a handout. Where is his statue?
Yet we got 2Pac…whose enduring legacy is popularizing “thug” as a mindset and way of life 4 black men. Encouraging the whole violent and divisive east coast/west coast beef.
Don’t get me wrong… Pac had some insightful words sometimes, but he had some poisonous 1s 2.
Defacing the statue was wrong, but I agree with the dude’s POV.
Pac was no saint but just because he was convicted of rape doesn’t mean he did it. Furthermore, that doesn’t give him the right going around and destroying property either. Yes, Tupac did call women out their name at times but he also said real women know who they are. Also, lets remember he was only 25 when he died so yes he probably was hypocritical at times.
Well if what he’s saying about Tupac’s mom trying to act as if Pac is the “Messiah” then that’s WRONG! There is ONE and ONLY ONE GOD! And Tupac sure ain’t him! I would hope that this center is not trying to “brainwash” these kids into believing otherwise!
I knew when he first did this, the reason he did it. Many people are frustrated with us *****ing up royally, then throwing parades about it. However, there is a way to go about eveything and surely he knew he’d be offending some folks. I guess he didn’t give a *****. Well!
in the words of pac ” fu#@k you and you mother fU#%k mama!” “weside ridah till i die” thuglife!!!!!
Funny how people use Jesus’s name as a cover for the evil in their hearts. So you vandalise this because Pac is hurting the community? I don’t even know why I’m trying to make sense of this. Crazy people don’t use reason.
TO ALL YOU EVIDENTLY DON’T KNOW ***** ABOUT PAC, I CAN’T THINK OF A SONG WHERE PAC CALLED WOMAN BITHCES AND W*****S, THAT’S HOW I KNOW MOST OF YOU DON’T KNOW ***** BOUT PAC FOREAL. PAC WAS NOT ONLY A GENUIS HE USED METAPHORS THAT EVEN COLLEGES RECOGNIZE AS BEING ONE OF A KIND AND HAVE NAMED COLLEGE COURSES AFTER HIS PEOMS. HE WAS MUCH MORE THAN A RAPPER HE WAS A HUMAN AND HE WAS YOUNG AND MADE MISTAKES BUT THAT STILL DOESN’T TAKE AWAY THE FACT THAT THE MAN TOUCHED EVERYBODY WHO LISTENED TO HIM, HE ALWAYS HAD A MESSAGE THAT YOU COULD RELATE AND BACK THEN I FELT I COULD MAKE IT WHICH I DID, BUT I FELT LIKE HE KNEW ME AND I KNEW HIM, AND THAT’S WHAT’S MISSING IN THIS R@B AND RAP. NOONE CAN RELATE NOMORE TO THIS BUBBLE GUM MUSIC, IF YOU DON’T LIKE HIM FINE BUT DON’T TALK WHAT YOU DON’T KNOW, PAS WAS AN INSPIRATION TO ME BACK WHEN I FELT LIKE THE WORLD WAS A EVIL AND LONELY PLACE, I LOVE HIM AND ALWAYS WILL, HE ADMITTED ON HIS LAST INTERVIEW THAT HE SAID AND MADE ALOT OF MISTAKES AND DIDN’T KNOW HOW TO CONTROL ALL THE FAME AND HIS FOLLOWERS AND HE HAD FOLLOWERS , SO HE WAS THE FIRST TO ADMIT HE HAD TO MATURE, SO BACK UP OFF OF PAC HE STILL CAME UP IN A ROUGH ENVIROMENT AND HE SPOKE WHAT HE SAW BUT HE ALWAYS MADE US FEEL LIKE WE COULD OVERCOME ALL THAT ***** FOR THOSE WHO DONT KNOW ***** ABOUT HIM OR HIS SONGS I HAVE HAD ALL OF HIS CDS AND HE NEVER BITHCH OR HO OR NONE OF THIS ***** YOU TALKING BOUT.
ALSO, HE GAVE YOU A SONG FOR *****ES , WONDER WHY THEY CALL YOU A *****, AND TO ALL OF YOU , THAT LIFE DOES EXIST AND THEIR ARE *****ES AND THEIR W*****S I HAVE SEEN WITH MY OWN EYES SO WHY GET SO UPSET WHEN YOUR CALLED A W*****, BUT SEE NO PROBLEM IN SLEEPING WITH A MARRIED MAN, AND YOU CALL HIM THE HYPICRITE, DON’T GET MAD WHEN SOMEBODY CALLS YOU OUT IF YOU A HO THEN ITS WHAT IT IS, I CAN ALWAY LISTEN TO SONGS AND SING RIGHT ALONG IF I LIKE IT CUZ I KNOW THAT I AM NOT A HO OR ***** BUT I KNOW THEY EXIST!
@JAI:
Defend him all you wish my friend.In my opinion he was little more than an entertainer…and certainly no more worthy of academic study than say-the effect of BARBIE DOLLS on society.There are courses in academia on that too.All that the study of EITHER of these clowns proves is that college professors will go to any lengths to establish tenure.;->
@stefany,
i can’t believe you called pac OVERRATED, I bet you think beyonce is the queen to, or soulja boy , or lil wayne is the best rapper, damn you should be shoot for that *****. PAC OVERRATED, DAMN HE COULDN’T EVEN BE RATED BABY,. THEY(MASTER P, JAYZ, NAZ, ETC) HAD TO WAIT TO HE DIED JUST TO GET IN , YOU NEED TO GO SOMEWHERE WITH THAT, I AM WILLING TO BET YOUR ONE OF THOSE PEOPLE WHO HAVEN’T LISTENED TO HIM FOREAL BUT JUST WANNA STUNT WITH A COMMENT, OVERRATED PLEASE
JUST LIKE DR. FUNK HAVEN’T HEARD A PAC ALBUM BUT WANNA COMMENT
oyu dumb *****, tupac was a legend in his own right.
one thing about tupac he wasn.t a sell out uncle tom ***** mother*****er like you, and if you so mad at pac, why be a ***** and ***** with a statue. he was always around and your ***** is 43, why couldn’t you confront him alive, so he can murder your ***** *****, yuo don’t know what the ***** pac had going on, you got *****es trying to set him up, *****s trying to set him up rob him, scared ***** so called homies didn’t see *****, when you got money and fame who da ***** do you trust. every morning a ***** ***** hater like you trying to start some *****
shut the ***** up and let the ***** rest in peace, cause if he is alive believe me he is lookin for your ***** *****, i’m a gemini like big, and pac i know mother*****er, out !!!!!!!!
YOU HAVE TO WONDER WHY THE STATUE IS DRESSED LIKE A REV. THOU….I MEAN REALLY….I LOVE PAC TOO BUT THE WHOLE CROSS AND REV. WEAR….SMH
@ SHAY YOU DIDN’T READ IT WRITE HE SAID PAC USED JESUS NAME IN VAIN……LIKE JOHN LENNON….
Sounds like the cat was on point with all of his accusations. Can’t argue with the facts. The Thug Life msg repped by ‘Pac and the rest has wrought havoc in the Black Community. Pac WAS arrested on rape charges, he WAS promiscuous, he WAS an abuser of drugs, and he framed his life around violence and not building. To have a statue of him framed in a suit and holding a Bible IS hypocrisy at the lowest level. So why are ya’ll mad at this brother for telling the truth?? Seems to me like all of you singin’ the praises of a dead gangsta’ are the ones who are blind and ignorant. I’m just sayin’.
toosexy, I loved 2-pac too, but he DID say and do some *****ed up things. He cussed that Delores Tucker woman out so smooth it was almost criminal. He called her every name in the book! As much as I love his positivity, he put negative out here, too. He even admitted he was close to selling his soul (to Satan) when he was talking about the Illuminati. So let’s call a spade a spade. He was not always been the best role model around and I think even he knew that. After all, you don’t get murdered in your 20’s doing the right thing. We’re being judgemental right now, as usual, but hopefully something poitive will come from these gossip blogs. I know, if nothing else, he was “trying”…and I know how hard that is, at times.
I LOVE TUPAC.ALWAYS WILL. YES, HE WENT THROUGH A LOT OF CHANGES,GROWING UP, ALONE… DON’T WE ALL? BUT THE BIGGEST POINT HERE, IS THAT HE DID WHAT HE COULD WITH WHAT HE HAD…AS HE STARTED TO CHANGE AND MATURE, HE WAS MURDERED. THE ONE WHO VANDALIZED HIS STATUE HAD NO AUTHORITY TO DO SO. HE SHOULD BE PUNISHED. SO WHAT PAC MADE MISTAKES. TRY TAKING HIS PLACE AND SEE IF YOU WOULD’VE GOTTEN HALF AS FAR. I LOVE HIM AND REFUSE TO LISTEN TO ALL THIS BS FROM A LOSER!!!!!!!!! I HOPE HE GETS AT LEAST 15 YEARS, HE NEEDS TO THINK ABOUT WHAT HE DID.. OTHER PEOPLE DO RECEIVE DIFFERENT VIEWS ABOUT PAC, WHO IS THIS PERSON AGAIN? JUST LIKE A HATER, ALWAYS RUINING SOMEBODY ELSE’S ISH.
toosexy
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JUST LIKE DR. FUNK HAVEN’T HEARD A PAC ALBUM BUT WANNA COMMENT
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Sorry to disappoint my love…I’ve got plenty of ‘Pac on my i-pod.I just don’t find him historically significant…Or a figure to revered,studied,or worshiped.Pitied and smirked at? Sure.That I can do.He was at his best when he did’nt give mangled/convoluted takes on social issues…and just party rapped: 2 OF AMERIKAZ MOST WANTED.Few things would make me happier than to see ‘Pac,Biggie,and other so-called “conscious rappers”
disappear into the 99cent rack of HISTORY….Because that would tell me that the collective consciousness of my people had truly been raised.Just a thought
@ HF
I agree, I was a fan of 2Pac, but I don’t believe he needed a statue. Although I don’t really think that statue looked like him, and besides a movie or court appearance, was that his everyday dress attire?
@ms. Suga walls
who the h#ll are you
that man is sick in the head, if he was feeling that way about Pac why is he just now speaking out, SMH
You all are fools. To deify a man is wrong. 2pac was a man, not a legend, nor a god, nor someone whose ideals of “Thug Life” is anything to uphold.
I agree he could have went about this in a different manner. And I’m not too sure tupac needed a statue either.
I think tupac had great views, was very vocal, opinionated, and clearly had relevant things to say. (When he wasn’t degrading women). Which is why his statue depicted him as a priest. For the good things he had done and said, the positive messages he was trying to get across. The media portrayed him as this awful dude from the gutter. Maybe his mom was showing there was more to him?
This person who defaced the statue also practiced hypocrisy when he broke the law in defacing the statue. Whatever he felt about Tupac’s music is image he still had no business defacing that man’s statue. To the person who feels the vandals actions were justified because of Tupac’s conviction on the rape charge; conviction and guilt are not always the same thing. Since neither the vandal nor you or I know what happened for certain; I think the judgment of Tupac’s guilt or innocence should be left to someone else. There are a lot of brother’s in jail for rape, some are guilty and a lot more have been found innocent thanks to DNA testing. As for his choice of language and content of his lyrics, well that’s why it’s called Freedom of Speech and it ain’t illegal…yet. Tupac may have been guilty of many things in life but most statues if not all are meant to capture what humans aspired to be in life not who they actually were in life. Lincoln wasn’t that tall, Jefferson was a slave owner, Truman was confined to a wheel chair during his presidency thought his statue has him standing tall.
I do think we need to be careful of who we put on a pedesal. You cant tell kids thuggin is wrong but then have statues of people that rep that. Pac wasn’t all bad but you have to keep it real. He was no saint.
This man has some serious point that he makes, but what it seems like he doesn’t understand is Pac was just human and expressed himself about many specturms of life and people related to him as though they felt they knew him personally. And for him to make so many people feel like that is what made him special to many. Including myself. I love Pac and always will.
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I agree with you for the first time why do they act like 2 Pac was Moses. He was a drug dealing rapest and a cop killer. I thought it was funny and I love the tape over the eyes………
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Stone Mountain, Georgia is not exactly a hotbed for African American history/culture. Installing a hip hop icon’s statue there is akin to putting a statue of Elvis in the middle of Compton. Surely it would be mocked and defaced too!
Now I KNOW my man was powerful, he still got mfer’s hatin on him and he been dead for….. how long?
I was raised in a funeral home. And, the 1 thing that I always hated to see was when the families would dress their loved one how “THEY” wantd them to look. Not how they actually were. If your family gotta go and buy you a suit to bury you in, you need to get buried in something else.
My point: Why is 2Pac’s image being mis-represented. He can’t be recreated into how “THEY” wanted him to be. Dressed like a preacher is wrong. So, lying to kids’ and presenting a distorted view of the truth is ok ?
O’ boy was out of line with the destruction of property.
I can’t believe that most of the views are lining up. Is it a full moon or something ?
This man’s actions was out of line. But I am upset with the message of this statue as well.
Tupac was a demon. He was not a follower of christ. Afeni’s actions was blasphemous to say the least.
Tupac created havoc and destruction at every turn. He was not a kind human being. When he was shot 9 times not once did he praise jesus for sparing him. Instead he praised himself and chanted real N**gas don’t die. He did not try to humble himself after undergoing such an ordeal. He instead grew meaner and colder. He was always cursing people, naming names, advocating violence, degrading and demeaning women. When he chose to rap about the positive things such as in Dear mama and Keep Ya head up, he upheld to none of it. So many people were deceived by him, blinded by stardom, and his untimely death. This man is not something to be praised but loathed.
Given his bad temperance, his glorifying of violence, promiscuity, degradation of women,and bad behavior all around, and his refusal to right his wrongs was the probable reason why our Lord and savior Jesus failed to intervene on his behalf and save him from death once more.
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I also want to add that his mother Afeni knew what kind of man tupac was. She knows he was not a follower of jesus.
Humans automatically believe that when you die and utimely death that you are going to make it to the promised land. That is certainly not so. Our Lord and Savior Jesus knows our hearts, he knows the righteous from the wicked, the wolves from the sheep. He gives us countless amount of times to right our wrongs and to change our behaviors.
Tupac was blessed with many talents. A lyrical gift as well as acting. He chose to give his talents away to Jesus arch enemy the devil. Jesus knew that Tupac would need him. Instead of relying on jesus, he relied on the devil. He never once thanked him for the many blessing that jesus bestowed upon him. He certainly didn’t thank him when he came so close to death the first time. One should never praise flawed humans and create a statue such as this. This is a mockery of Jesus.
Tupac stood for nothing honorable. This statue should be loathed.
The actions were innappropriate and the man could have voiced his opionions in a better manner.
Well actually Tupac was sentenced for the rape of a woman, so that is not a stretch. He also had extremely violent music and was one of the most disrespectful rappers against women. I am sure if Tupac raped a White women, no one would have allowed a statue in their town.
This is just wrong.
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This guy has the power of free speech and should be able to say what he wants to say. What he did was wrong. Though there are some who may feel like he does, there numerous others who don’t. This douche should have gone about this a completely different way. Miss you Pac!
I think it is funny what that cat did. I mean, what tupac represents warranted that kind of foolishness. I hate the whole term thuglife. What do you expect from someone that calls themselves a thug…ignorance, not able to socialize or be civil. He disrespected women and created this genre of idiots who glorify being s misfit to the community. It’s hard being a MAN, let alone BLACK, and having to dispell the myth that my culture is to drink, smoke, steal, rob, Gangbang, “Hustle”???, rap about B’s, H’s, and $ and pay child support. tupac was a hypocrit and a catalyst to the destruction of the Black race and HIP HOP culture. Who cares what you write and say, it’s what you do in REAL LIFE thaqt matters. F a thuglife! Pull your pants up and raise your kids with LOVE and not fear.
This guys reasoning was on point, rap music has and continues to destroy our youth, creating prison culture life style, degrading our young girls and woemen, distorting the need for education, drug dealing,addicts ,supporting ghetto and thug like attitudes. This all has been extremely detrimental in the black community and I hold rappers like Tu Pac responsible for the growth of Thug Life ..yes at one time he could have spoken for conciencous rap but he falterd for money and fame if he realy was the so called messiah or mosses as his mama puts it he would have stood to his convictions and refuse to be the bullet used as a weapon against our children!
Y’all know nothing about Tupac!
Of course he made alot of bad mistakes.
But i know he didn’t rape that girl. And FYI there are *****es and hos. He didn’t mean women in general though. Actually listen to his music. He was a true poet. RIP ‘Pac.
I just want to know how most of you can comment from listening to just his music. First I want to say people in the ENTERTAINMENT industry most times are not the same people they are behind closed doors. Tupac as a person not the entertainer did believe in Jesus and he also knew that his life was spared(you should read more on him). Now to him calling women out of their names….Tupac has never offended me by calling me out of my name because I know he wasn’t referring to me because I KNOW I’m not a ***** or a w*****. Tupac went through what alot of young black men go threw but had matured and was changing. If you READ his work not just listen to his music you would know that.
I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SAY TO ALL YOU PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT HIM DESTROYING THE YOUTH…..IF YOU TOOK THE TIME TO RAISE YOU OWN KIDS TUPAC OR ANYONE ELSE COULDN’T CONVINCE THEM TO DO WRONG. REGARDLESS OF WHAT I SAW OR HEARD MY PARENTS TAUGHT ME TO MAKE MY OWN DECISIONS NOT LISTEN TO ENTERTAINERS.
OH AND 1 MORE THING…..THERE ARE ALOT OF WOMEN THAT HAVE YELLED RAPE BUT REALLY WEREN’T…..LOOK WHAT HAPPENED WITH THOSE GUYS FROM DUKE AFTER THE STRIPPER CHICK SAID THEY RAPED HER. GET OFF THE DUMB *****!!!!! WE ALL HONESTLY KNOW TUPAC DIDNT RAPE THIS GIRL. AND LIKE SOMEONE ABOVE SAID LOOK HOW MALCOLM X STARTED OUT BUT HE TURNED ALL THAT AROUND INTO GOOD.
Tupac was a negative force in the rap community and a bad influence to our children. Spewing hateful, derogatory lyrics. Inciting controversy, also advocating and provoking violence amongst his peers.
Children are influenced by what they hear and see on the radio. It is inappropriate to call a women a B**ch or a H*E. He constantly referred to women as such. This is degrading to all women. He was a true hypocrite. His lyrics about single motherhood were insincere, because he treated women with dishonor and disrespect.
The woman that he supposedly raped, it was a known fact that he indulged in illicit sex with her in a public atmosphere. How deplorable. He stood for nothing positive. He chanted THUG LIFE at every turn. He glorified drugs, robbing, murder, and everything that is negative. How sad it is that 12 years after his death people are still blinded by this negative human being called Tupac. True he was a gifted lyricist, but spoke often of negativity.
He showed no remorse before his death and was constantly involved in beef, violence, and chaos. His actions was not that of a changing man for the good. He was getting worse. These people that support THUG LIFE and this kind of retoric are misguided and blinded by stardom.
Two weeks before his death, He was caught on film with that other loathsome character Suge Knight, Stomping and beating a man senseless in the hotel lobby, because he supposedly *****ed a chain. He lived up to his thug like image with no retribution. This is not evidence of a changing man. If you are changing You are suppose to walk away from violence and behave in a dignified manner. Lets stop praising this man for he was not a good role model for children or any human being.
Tupac was a……………..BIIIIIAAAOOOOOOOOCTH!?!
Suge Knight used to smack him up!?! He was as MOBB DEEP would say, “Officially GOT!”. ***** ***** *****. WTF!?! A BIBLE in his hands!!!!!LOL, did Afeni relasp to smoking CRACK again!!!!! Tupac was an emotional LAME and HACK ***** *****!?! I could NECER see why TREACH luv this dude as a brother. Tupac was one of those dude that talk braved and got their ***** *****ed!!! then around a posse he talked MORE ***** and got *****ED-UP-MORESO!?!
Can’t understand…………..dude statue’s toting a BIBLE but was on a record label named DEATHROW!?!
that’s why kids are *****ED UP today…..
Afeni, “the BLIND leading the BLIND. That’s why kids have NO RESPECT for their elders ’cause the so called elders has no wisdom. It’s just OLD PEOPLE and they are not WISE just DUMB!?!
I’m not saying Tupac was a savior to the black community or anything like that and neither am i trying to make excuses for him… but *****ody is perfect. It is human nature to sin, and I feel that Pac wanted to be a positive image in the black community. But i think he sometimes didn’t know about how to go about it. I think he had some issues he was struggling with within himself while in the biz. I think his intentions were good but he got mixed up with the wrong people when the money came along. (you know when you come from nothing its easy just to accept that money from a record lable even if it is called deathrow)… i also think he had a very radical outlook on life because of the the way he grew up. It was like he was always paranoid and very confused about life. But who r we to judge… like he said “Only God Can Judge Me.” And thats true. Sin is sin… no matter how often or how wrong we think it is. God will be the judge. Everybody who lives wrong isn’t necessarily a bad person. All we see is the televised version of Pac anyway. we see the person the media portrays…. If his mother wants to have a statue portraying her son anyway she wants then thats her right. She knows him better than any of us! it shouldn’t be taken so literal anyway… its art.
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So when you have a problem with statue….Deface it…..? WTF!I disagree with the vandal. He is wrong for that. Tupac spoke the truth, that vandal has to deal with it.
I have to say after reading the article while I dont agree with Kenneth Anthony Wilson’s actions. Most of what he said is right on the money The Bible does say you reap what you sow does it not.
I think he’s extreme but, he has some points. 2Pac was a hypocrite and it showed in all of his lyrics. I don’t know why we blacks love him like he’s a God. “You can talk about my mama but NOT PAC!” Messiah! Please! The brother had talent but that’s it. He spoke of violence and peace. Some sort of messiah? Nope.
Guy is on point.
defacing public property…what a way to prove a point!!
SMH, there are ways to express yourself without doing so fanatically.
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stupid as f**k, 2pac is love by millions, so get da f**k off his back, dead or alive, 2pac still moving peoples lives, again, 2pac spoke da truth for millions who keep their head up, DAMN….who gives a f**k about what this hater don’t like about 2pac, f**k em, go write some sh*t about ***** a** 50cent, WHAT did i pull someone line, i see *****ody’s crying…….***** 2PAC WILL ALWAYS BE DA GREATEST IN DA MUSIC BUSINESS….damn get a live, it’s his music, not his life that we cares about.
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I don’t agree with what he did, but I agree with his reasoning. Tupac was found guilty of rape, called women *****es in his music, and he glamorized thug life. I don’t think there should be a statue of him dressed as a preacher and holding a bible. That was never a image he portrayed in life.
The guy didn’t have to deface the statue, but I can understand why. Maybe he should have just protested.
I agree with you 100%.
People are going to love him or hate him…I did not care for his music myself and he was no God to me. People you have to understand people are waek minded and need something to believe in why they picked him instead of Jesus I dont know. He died the way he lived his life in the streets. He made one song that was ok but what about all the other ones that he made that were bad. Ladies is your self worth so low that you think its ok for a man to call you a ***** or a hoe just because that is were he comes from? His mother came from the same place he wont call her one but he will you!!!! What dose that tell you.
man pac was’nt no saint but if this fool is gonna attack pac he might as well attack rap music in general I’m sick of everybody saying rappers are antichrist when white rock artists have been blaspheming god for decades john lennon and the beatles were antichrist but they’re heroes, the rolling stones are satanists and have admitted it throughout the years let’s not forget a black man was murdered by the hells angels at one of their gigs. snoop dogg sold his soul to the devil in murder was the case, eazy e said a prayer to the devil b efore his untimely demise and said he was the devil’s son in law. this fool should attack the record labels who made millions off white cats who worship the devil like ozzy osbourne, kiss who proclainmed they were demons from hell, venom, iggy pop, bisexual ho’s like madonna, britney, and christina. and even that crack***** amy winehouse who might join anna nicole in junkie heaven.
remember we celebrate and talk about george washington and theswe white forefathers who were racist slaveowners. may pac’s legacy live on.
When I read the article I knew it had to be a black person…now I’m big on Tupac and his death was tragic but ol dude had a point; why did the Tupac statue look more like a Pastor??…now defacing a statue to get that point across is just wrong…RIP Tupac!!
Despite Tupac’s short comings he was human. Remember you can only kill a man once. Defacing his statue does not prove a point, in turn, it proves you to be barbaric.You also end up displaying actions that are sub-human. There are so many other ways to get your point across, but look at it this way he and Tupac may now have something in common a “criminal record”. Now who’s the hypocrite?
I do feel what he is saying to a point. Although Tupac was one of the greatist rappers of all times he was not a saint. I hardly think he should be recogbized or batrayed as a some type of martyr or hero, he played a mojor role in the whole east coast/west coast revelry. He was a big influence on are youth trying to be a thugs, gang revelry and living a “thug life”. Although he touched a lot of his fans hearts through his music the fact is he played a major negative role in our young men and youth life along with his revel Notorious BIG. If we reward people whether they are rich/famous for there wrongful way of life and destructive behavior that they callously infringe upon our youth, I am terribly afraid and sadden at what this world is is to become.
he is got a point.. if pac was asked to put a monument to remember him, i doubt he would be dressed up in a suit like ***** and carrying a bible..so for his rights i justify it but for the law and age sector he falls in, vandalism is not something he shud do…RIP TUPAC….NOW CAN WE MOVE ON HE WAS NO MESIAH
ok.the dude does have some VALID points people…but he just went about it in the wrong way.
For the final time people his name is Tupac or 2pac or Pac. It’s not tupik spell his name right he’s a hip hop legend *****es and snitches.