Co-sign!!!
The fact Tiger’s press conference was the same day as the Accenture World Championship didn’t help his situation! Accenture was the first sponsor to drop T.Woods!! SMH

atleast someone called Tiger on his bull, becuase thats all that press conference was & made me miss the View!

he only was apologizing to those sponsers that took back those milions !

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HAHAHA!! I totally agree with this guy.

I agree totally with S. Smith, that BS was worst than the Chris Brown speech. I don’t support Tiger anyway, so he really just need to go jump off a cliff or something.

truth!!!!!!! he put it better than i could.

4 f@ck sake when will u folks stop caring

“friday’s farce was a woods infomercial” i completely agree with this dude

Stephen Smith is my dude. He tells it like it is.

Tiger Woods speech was a waste of time. I don’t care if he was cheating on his gold-digger wife. His wife will stay because her broke azz will get nothing if she leaves…she must wait 10 years to get 6 million. That goes to show you that she is in it for the money…most women would leave because nowaday cheating, with AIDS on the rise, isn’t a risk anyone should take…rich or not! Tiger is stupid for getting married to soon. His wife was pushed on him by his handlers just like they do all big sports figures…Look at Kobe, Michael Jordan, etc. They cheated on their wives because they wasn’t ready for marriage and children. So, now Tiger is paying for a mistake publicly. Damn dummies!

@ alexis
dont be mad that u missed the view. Friday’s episode was a stupid Dog show!! really dumb…SMH

The fact that he had to have a press conference to apologize is a damn shame. They’re making this seem like WW3. Come on now.. some private things should be left private. Yeah he effed up and it’s not right but men and women do this EVERYDAY.. since the beginning of time. I was at the gym and saw this ish on every TV screen.. this is getting more press than when the plans hit the towers. SMH.

wtf is going on w/ the comments lol

Stephen is my guy, I like that way he commentates on issues… O well he told it like it should be told…If I were Tiger I would leave my wife…

tiger’s damage control team did a good job crafting a speech…tiger did a good job delivering the speech…any man who wants to dog tiger is probably is an ugly mofo…..now understand, im not condoning tiger’s actions..what he did was wrong…but i’m a man, who is attractive and gets hit on occasionally…to date, i have not fell to temptation..i love my woman and have the dog ish out of my system….but if i was a dude who was called erkel in college and i came across some millions, i would feel entitled too….tiger’s no different than any guy who has options….ugly or fat dudes are bitter….i dont wish steven a smith this predictament but if he happens to fall into this situation, may the world show him the shitty face he’s showing tiger

Woods needs to donate his disease azzz to the “CDC”. Who cares if he doesn’t want anyone to follow his family. Too bad that’s the price of fame.

Continue to lie Woods…..

Tiger doesn’t owe any of us anything,especially some grown man looking for a pat on the back from media massa’s.Now I know why I really don’t like this clown,what’s going on in your house,UGH!

I really don’t understand. Tiger is a professional golfer. What he does in his private time is none of our business. He didn’t hurt me so he doesn’t owe me an apology. He hurt his family and this should be a family matter. He’s an athlete. He is not a preacher. He’s not a politician who passes laws that govern how we live. He swings a golf club. Some want to say he should be a role model. I think that’s true, but only for the sport he plays. How many times will this happen. We build celebrities up to the status of gods, then learn they are imperfect like the rest of us and it’s such a big deal. Tv stations are putting every woman on their program who claims to have had an affair with Tiger. The one who says she was pregnant twice, but never told Tiger, smells like bs to me. At the end of the day, who are we to judge if his apology was authentic? That’s for his family to decide. Some of us need to sweep around our own front door…

I usually hate Stephen A. Smith’s commentary, but he made some valid points in this case.

Though I personally think Tiger Woods truly is sorry for what he did, I think the press conference was more to salvage his endorsement deals than to offer a mea culpa to the world.

I found it particularly interesting that in the apology that he lectured the media on treating his family respectfully, yet he didn’t find the time or the heart to do that himself in the first place.

I hope Tiger’s marriage survives this, but I doubt it will. Whether it does or doesn’t, I as a selfish sports fan, hope he gets back to kicking butt on the golf course asap, because he is the only person in world who could make golf even remotely interesting to me.

Ok,who actually thought that this press conference,apology speech was his idea? lol
He did what he was told to cover his azz & most important regain his endorsers trust once again even though I found that totally unnecessary/foolish but oh well.
Anyways,yeah yeah,blah,blah he cheated so what? happens everyday amongst regular folks as well as politicians but because the 1/2 black,pro golfer,highest paid athlete Tiger Woods did it,it’s this big catastrophe? please! lmao
On to the next please—->

Plus I still don’t think his marriage will last after all this regardless so what-ever!
The media needs to focus on things that matter not bs…next—>

Stephen A. Smith has every right to be mad at Tiger Woods because he Stephen A. Smith is a broke A.Z.Z nicca

i don’t understand why he owes the public an apology … his infidelity is between him, his wife, and their lawyers …

Tiger said “I am a role model, i take this role seriously”. So, yes he does owe those kids whom looked up to him an apology. He treated his family worse than anybody ever could and now say respect them. He did not respect them. When you sell yourself to the public, you need to stick to the brand you put out there.

Stephen always speaks the truth. These athletes think their above the rest of the population. He lets them know they should be lucky to be in the position they’re in. How many people you know have careers doing the thing they love more than anything and get paid millions to do it? Not Many.

Stephen A is trying to be controversial about this subject so he can get some added attention especially after losing his job at ESPN.

Steven A. Smith is a smug, angry idiot. he always has been. he can’t see far enough past his own anger to ever be straight on an issue.

It’s Tiger’s life, leave the man alone!

I didn’t care about who Tiger Woods was sleeping with before the scandal broke and I don’t care now. If his wife and others closest to him forgive him and support him that is all that matters. He doesn’t owe me and others who are not apart of his family anything!

He’s a golfer (the best ever by the way) not God. People need to stop having unrealistic expectations of public figures. The last perfect man to walk this work was Jesus – period!

stephen smith need to just shut up he’s just talking stuff for the white folks and so he can keep getting on these shows also if i was a black sports player i would never again trust any relationship with this guy

get over yourself tiger, you really aren’t that important.

we only paid your story attention for the entertainment value, and now we’re done laughing… next!

Many Black folks don’t get the point: He is apologizing to hold onto sponsors. White folks who purchase whatever the Negro has to sell wanted an apology, and they “got one.” I agree with Smith. In fact, I was wondering how many Black reporters were in the audience. I am sure he had his white male reporters there, who he felt cofortable with . . . He didn’t have the Smiths, the Rhodens, or the Wilbons there . . .

F*CK YOU STEPHEN A. SMITH!

Did anyone even ask this man for his jibber-jabber. YES! This was a stunt. To me mostly for the people who felt they were owed words from him.

TIGER WOODS OWES NONE OF US AN EXPLANATION!

TIGER WOODS IS HUMAN AND REALL GOOD AT THE SPORT OF GOLF!!

Hell half the people commenting (including dumb behind Stephan A. Smith) have probably cheated and had affairs and should not be judging him.

Do I like what Woods did? No! But he isn’t sleeping with me, married to me or the father of my child.

He only owes Elin and his family explanations for his actions…as for the rest of us…I say Tiger get back to golf!!!!

F*ck, stop putting human people on a God-like pedastal and you wouldn’t have this daxn problem!!!

where were his black friends in the room? Oh yeah, he has none!

lol Tiger Woods is a straight joke. Only a n^gga would have to go to rebab because he couldn’t stop f^ckin white women.

“White Queen, my milk of magnesia” lol

Tiger Woods is the greatest golfer of all time. But there were many great golfers before him and they never came close to the money and endorsements that Tiger got. Tiger was special. His clean cut, Mr. Perfect image was part of his appeal.

He will still probably be the greatest golfer of all time. But that doesn’t entitle him to all of the endorsement money. Those advertisers are not paying him just because he is a great golfer. They are paying to be associated with a positive image.

He can play golf and ignore the sponsors and say screw you to the public if he wants or he can do what he is doing and try to recapture some of the mystique that he once had. But he will never get it all back. His personal life can be his own business, but then he can’t expect all of the other benefits that came with his clean cut image.

Stephen A. Smith is a bitter little man and a hater who has never played professional sports in his life. He took shots at Kobe and now he’s putting his two cents in with Tiger. He talks like a man who will one day have a bust in the hall of fame. I hate this kermit the frog looking @**hole.

@ Marquis

Tiger’s handlers must disagree with you about the sponsors. Otherwise he wouldn’t be apologizing.

Tiger does’nt owe Stephen A. Smith an explanation…or an apology.

YES! Stephen Smith….well said! As far as I am concerned Tiger Woods can disappear into oblivion! No sympathy over here……..BOO HOO! His wife won’t leave him because she needs the money, same with Kobe’s wife! So what is the purpose of a conference??? Oh I know, to try to convince the buying public that they are sorry..key word “BUYING”

And I am not buying it!

At the end of the day Tiger has enough money to last several lifetimes. Although it would be “nice” to have all those sponsors back, he is just fine without them.

A waterfall in ya house? Yeah, he is good.

I agree though he probably shouldn’t have married when he did. With all his focus on golf and schooling growing up he probably didn’t have time to live a life that some “normal” folk take for granted. I am sure the marriage was part of the push to continue having that “wholesome” image.

I bet you dude is still f*cking crazily…all of this is (rehab, apologies) is for y’all, not for him.

P.S. I believe Elin knew about his ways before and certainly during the marriage. Again, doesn’t make it right what he did, but he will be alright in the long run.

Tiger has no one to blame but himself. He purposely contructed this goody two shoes image because he knew that consumers and corporate sponsers would be more willing to line his pockets if he did. Does he owe the public an apology for disparity between his public image and his private self? That’s debatable. Would we be having this conversation if the athlete caught in this situation was Dennis Rodman instead of Tiger Woods? Of course not, and we all know why. But it’s disingenous for anyone to pretend that he didn’t earn a major part of his income from pushing the “perfect angel” routine on the public. Now that we know the image is a charade it’s going to really hurt his pockets, not because America can’t deal with a man being a cheater, but because more than anything, the American public seems to despise a hypocrite.

I loved Mr. Smith’s commentary.

@njnubn

“where were his black friends in the room? Oh yeah, he has none!”

I didn’t see any — nor did I see his black half-siblings among his family members.

While I agree that what goes on in Tiger’s personal life is his business, I also have to agree with Steven A. Smith. I found it overkill for all of the major networks to air the “so called” press conference as if it was something equivalent to 9/11. With that said, I noticed that most news analysts gave Tiger’s presentation a thumbs up. Maybe he’s not a “people person” but I thought his body language and the way he spoke was awful. It did not seem the least bit sincere. Just my 2 cents.

*correction*

sponsors

Tiger set up this image of himself as the holier than thou athlete with integrity above reproach, but was found out to be a complete phony. He certainly needed to offer an apology to everyone that believed in his fake image. He led a double life.It seems that he is truly a confused person that seemed to believe that he could become white by dating all of these white women. It is really strange that he never dated any Asian,or Black women. It is apparent that he is in denial about his racial make up. It appears that he needs intensive therapy to find out who he really is.

Society is really messed up when people say cheating during marriage is no big deal because everyone does it. Seems like people have no morals to day. We live in a society where anything goes and everyone turns the other cheek when anybody does anything wrong.

@Mike

“Society is really messed up when people say cheating during marriage is no big deal because everyone does it.”

I agree. He’s getting a lot of pats on the back for his infidelity, it seems. He’s not only a husband, he’s also his father, and his children will undoubtedly learn about the pain that he put their mother through.

Elin is also on this week’s cover of People. I don’t see the story online yet, but it mentions a “new scandal” with which she’s grappling.

If Tiger was really sorry, he would have made a statement right after he got caught. This late in the game, why even offer an apology? All the returning to Buddhist roots is BS.

*he’s also a father*

Please pardon the typos.

WHY does everyone want to add their 15 cents into this SHIT? I bet you one of the people who publicly dissed Tiger Woods or wrote some ESSAY about him will be in a scandal next year and want everyone to forgive them. Live your own damn life!!!

He’s getting a lot of pats on the back for his infidelity, it seems. He’s not only a husband, he’s also his father, and his children will undoubtedly learn about the pain that he put their mother through.
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@Syd

You are right. Not only that, but people are looking at infidelity like it is normal. We should forgive people but they still need to be held accountable for their actions. My wife would not give me a second chance if I cheated on her with several women, no matter how much she loves me, and I should not expect her to.

Tiger will continue what he does best. He will just be more careful this time, and may even pay the women in advance.

I read your comments on the Shaneequa post today, and as always, you are on point. I agreed 100% and I have a lot of respect for what Malcolm X stood for.

but I don’t think that the cheating is what people are so fascinated with. I think it’s the lying about who you are that has really turned people off.
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@Gimmeabreak

I know they are not. My whole point is that society looks at cheating as being normal and it does not matter if they do. My thing is if you know you cannot be faithful, why even get married in the first place? Tiger should just have waited until he was in his 60s or older to settle down. Then he could do whatever he wants.

stephen a smith is like the black rush limbaugh man stfu what kills me is that these reports act as if they are living the perfect life please tell me that they are please . man the built the pedestal for him now they trying to take it down and as malcom z would say they always send a boot licker or a dilly dally black man to take another one down he dont owe us jack im tired of hearing about tiger we got bigger issues than this

lion cheetah woods

Thank you, I read yours as well, and I thought you were very insightful.

@Syd

Which point…. black actors as drag queens or black men holding black men responsible for degrading women? Malcolm’s observations still hold true today. I love listening to his speeches, and interviews. He is one of me heros.

I don’t think Tiger was behind the scenes arguing with his handlers that his public image was “too good”. As a matter of fact, I don’t believe that Tiger was simply complicit in the charade–I think he engineered it.
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@Gimmeabreak

I do not think he had a problem with his image either.

i agree with Sydney™ (Marjorie Lee Browne)

Stephen A. Smith always has good commentary to me. He was on the money with this one.

Tiger Woods is just a filthy white girl obsessed n^gga, who is mad he got caught. He sure as hell isn’t sorry.

I agree with Steve!!!!!

@Mr. Upper Cutts

“Tiger Woods is just a filthy white girl obsessed n^gga, who is mad he got caught. He sure as hell isn’t sorry.”

I think this whole debacle has given me a more detailed discernment into how Tiger became Tiger. I believe his statement on Friday delivered a view into how his father treated his mother (Earl Woods also reportedly had affairs, and there are reports that allege that he was unfaithful to his first wife). This is, in large part, learned behavior, IMHO. As the adage goes, like father, like son.

Let me correct this…..I just think it is hypocritical to only talk about what is wrong with black women the majority of the time.

I think most of the people that Where are they? included in her or his posts have not degraded women or stereotyped them. But you are right. Only a few brothers have actually said something about this. I think the same brothers genuinely love black women and have respect for them. It is sad when you can count on one hand the number of males that comment on here who have not degraded women or stereotyped them.

I think its interesting that people make the comment that Tiger’s wife should have expected him to cheat because he is a billionaire athlete.
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@Gimmeabreak

I know what you saying. Billionaires don’t have any self-control and they don’t know how to exercise it either so it is okay if they cheat. Everyone gives them passes to cheat on their wives because it okay, and we understand that your temptations are different than everyone elses in the world. Men know if they will cheat or not. If you cannot be faithful, the simple thing to do is to not ask a woman to marry you.

I agree with everything you said at 4:13. Good points.

Who cares what this ignorant buffoon thinks? This is the same guy who criticized NFL players for saying that they wouldn’t play for a team owned by Rush Limbaugh. At the end of the day, he’s a guy with an opinion that is no more valid than anyone else’s. And methinks that if it was an athlete that Stephen actually liked his viewpoint would have been much different. Did he go before the press to talk about Barkley’s arrest last year or MJ’s numerous affairs? No, because he’s a hypocrite. Unless you’re Tiger’s wife you have no reason to be mad.

@Gimmeabreak78

Good afternoon and kudos on the list of “rules,” lol.

I recall making the mistake a few years ago of discussing the Jena 6 (this was when the story first made national news) with a white male supervisor, and during our conversation about racial bias and discrimination, he abruptly introduced the topic of OJ. I believe OJ will forever be reviled by many, not for what he allegedly did, but to whom he allegedly did it.

I don’t know why people keep saying that he doesnt’ owe anyone an sorry… He does.. The average everyday person.. YES he doesn’t but there are people that he owes an apology to.. The stock holders of TIGER INC and the other companies that have investments in him… THey lost billions cause of his actions.. People’s livelihood rest on what he has done. So he owes those people, His wife kids and family an apology. But the average everyday joe.. NO he doesn’t.

Quite honestly I think Stephen Smith comments surprised me given the fact that he usually gives great critique to social arenas. Smith I feel was speaking for the media heads that he worked for and I believe that he could have been the one that could give social critique to why Tiger is being focused on more and attacked. Tiger Wood is doesn’t owe me or anything outside his family an apology. This society is truly showing how irrelvent privacy has become.

THIS A-HOLE HAS DIARRHEA OF THE MOUTH – A WHOLE LOT OF CHIT & NOT WORTH A DAM.

Celebrity wives knew the job was dangerous when they took it. I’m sure their mantra is: “DO WHAT YOU DO, AS LONG AS YOUR INDISCRETIONS DOESN’T EMBARRASS ME” – Sorry, but it’s hard to sympathize with PRE-MEDITATED VICTIMS. If they wanted a regular marriage and the occasional infidelities that goes along with it, they should’ve opted for a regular 9 to 5 proletariot. Y’all’s sympathies are wasted on Elin, due to whether she stays in the marriage or not, she’s PAID! We’re livin’ in cynical times. DEAL WITH IT!

Stephen is a cutie.

Celebrity wives knew the job was dangerous when they took it. I’m sure their mantra is: “DO WHAT YOU DO, AS LONG AS YOUR INDISCRETIONS DOESN’T EMBARR***** ME” – Sorry, but it’s hard to sympathize with PRE-MEDITATED VICTIMS.
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@Marquis

Celebrities know the job is dangerous when they decided to ask these women to marry them especially if they knew they would not be faithful. Why ask a woman to marry you if you know you gonna cheat?

@Mike

“The thing is many black men do not want to be told anything bad about themselves.”

I think you’re right about some black men. I also think it’s easier to excoriate the flaws of others, rather than looking within. I also wonder if it’s also easier for some brothers to malign sisters because we are the closest to them, their mirror image.

“The brothers that were mentioned yesterday do a good job of talking about the problem but I have noticed that many do not respond to them. It is not because people cannot think of anything to say but because people know who to address their posts to. I may be wrong, but it could just be intimidation.”

Interesting observation. I think you may be right. There are certain male bloggers who command respect, and it’s obvious that they emanate intelligence and a deep awareness.

“I am married to one, so why would I stereotype women who look like my wife?”

Exactly. Why would I stereotype men who look like my father?

@Sydney

Good afternoon, sis. LOL, I’ve learned long ago that the OJ issue is too sensitive for most people to discuss rationally.

@Mike

I guess only most people agree with Chris Rock’s a.s.s.e.s.s.m.e.n.t of fidelity–that a man is only as faithful as his options.

The nerve of me to believe that wealth and integrity can coexist in the same man, lol!

@Gimmeabreak78

“LOL, I’ve learned long ago that the OJ issue is too sensitive for most people to discuss rationally.”

But what surprised me about that particular conversation is that it had absolutely nothing to do with OJ. It was as if my supervisor used OJ as his trump card, his way of saying, “look, we have been wronged as well.” At least, that was my interpretation.

@ Sydney

The more racist of my white male brethren probably think that Nicole Simpson got what she deserved. As for the rest of us, we are protective of our women. I feel protective of all women. And those white men who revile him are behaving in exactly the way you and Malcolm X want black males to behave toward black women.

“The thing is many black men do not want to be told anything bad about themselves.”
Yeah, like the women on this site is open to negative criticisms (let alone, accountability).

I also think it’s easier to excoriate the flaws of others, rather than looking within.I also wonder if it’s also easier for some brothers to malign sisters because we are the closest to them, their mirror image.

Interesting observation. I think you may be right. There are certain male bloggers who command respect, and it’s obvious that they emanate intelligence and a deep awareness.
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@Syd

Some do not want to look within, they just want to look at other people because like I said, some people have a hard time taking the blame for anything. Interesting point there about mirror images. That certainly could be the reason.

Certain male bloggers do command respect. I like reading their comments on this issue because they do not stereotype, and their logic is impeccable. That is why I think some people purposely do not respond to them. They make too much sense, and their intelligence is on a different level. They always have something good to say.

@White Devil

“As for the rest of us, we are protective of our women. I feel protective of all women. And those white men who revile him are behaving in exactly the way you and Malcolm X want black males to behave toward black women.”

I see. So do white men feel the same way about Scott Peterson? Or Drew Peterson? Or Charles Stuart?

@ Sydney

Yes, we do. But nobody notices it because everyone agrees. There is not a large group of Scott Peterson supporters. He doesn’t have natural apologists based on his skin tone.

@Sydney

The OJ scenario was a perfect storm of “isms”–racism, classism, sexism.

His is the most striking case of “gotcha” criminal justice I’ve ever seen. He should have been convicted during the murder trial, but he wasn’t due to inept prosecution–and he should have been acquitted during the robbery/kidnapping trial, but he wasn’t because the criminal justice system still had a chip on its shoulder from the murder acquittal.

OJ will be studied for decades to come in political science, law, sociology, and psychology classes.

I meant defenders rather than apologists.

The same reason politicians get married: IMAGE! It takes a strong individualism to go against the grain, and not live up to societal’s moral dictates…

Yeah, like the women on this site is open to negative criticisms (let alone, accountability).
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@Marquis

I guess the infidelity strengthens images too then right? If Tiger were an individual, why not go against grain and be faithful to his wife and not cheat and act differently than some of these other athletes. He knew he would cheat on his wife, so why even propose to the woman. No one forced him to marry and no one forced him to cheat. He did both on his own will. I agree that Tiger should not be married right now. I already said that. He should have waited until he was older in his 60s or maybe 70s.

As I said before, my focus on mentoring is on black boys and young men. As a man, I feel that I have a lot of responsibility to guide them and show them what leadership is. I can instill more into a man than a woman.

@Mike

“Interesting point there about mirror images. That certainly could be the reason.”

I’ve frequently quoted a statement on here from Nathan McCall’s book “Makes Me Wanna Holler” that still reverberates with me: “I realized that we thought we loved sisters but that we actually hated them. We hated them because they were black and we were black and, on some level much deeper then we realized, we hated the hell out of ourselves.”

“They make too much sense, and their intelligence is on a different level. They always have something good to say.”

Yes, their intelligence is on a different level, and they’re easily distinguishable and provoke constructive discussions.

The nerve of me to believe that wealth and integrity can coexist in the same man, lol!
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LOL @ Gimmebreak. That is some nerve of you.

@White Devil

“Yes, we do. But *****ody notices it because everyone agrees. There is not a large group of Scott Peterson supporters. He doesn’t have natural apologists based on his skin tone.”

Interesting. So do you see “natural apologists” or “defenders” among blacks?

Also, doesn’t Scott Peterson have some white male supporters solely based on his gender? Misogyny and sexism may be found among men of all races, no?

@Gimmeabreak78

“OJ will be studied for decades to come in political science, law, sociology, and psychology cl*****es.”

He also came up in my media law class, which was interesting, to say the least. That is one day I’ll never forget.

tiger woods cheated on his wife…not the public. he doesn’t owe anyone an apology but her, so who cares?

@Syd

Makes Me Wanna Holler is a good book. I think many of our people should read it, if they have not. They would realize why they call our women names like nappy head hos, bytches. Some people actually hate people who look anything like them because they hate themselves. That is why some black men do not have respect for black women.

Right. It is easy to notice the intelligence.

@Sydney

Interesting. So do you see “natural apologists” or “defenders” among blacks?
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I know you didn’t ask me the question, but based on the OJ Simpson debacle, I will go on record as saying the answer to that question is yes when the victim and the accused are different races.

It was interesting to note how perceptions of his guilt or innocence were skewed were divided amongst racial lines.

What I found more interesting was that when I did a paper on the murder trial in college and I interviewed black people, a significant portion (about 31% if I remember correctly) would tell me that though they believed OJ was guilty, they viewed his acquittal as a measure of justice for all the black men who were wrongfully accused and imprisoned by a racist white law enforcement structure.

Question just came to my head….but why do some of us call other black people monkeys and gorillas? Were we not called these words during segregation? We use the same words to call our people that were used to degrade us or make us feel less about ourselves.

@ Sydney

I don’t know of any Scott Peterson supporters. If you get enough people together, you will find one of every opinion, but I am sure that the number of his defenders was very very small.

Misogyny and sexism can be found in all races, but people who defend murderers on the basis of gender are pretty rare or non-existent in my experience.

Yes, O.J. had natural defenders among blacks. How can anyone disagree with that? I have even read black commentators who said that even if he did kill her, it was o.k. because of historic injustices. Obviously, he did kill her. His suicide note was basically a confession. That was all the evidence a person who was unclouded by prejudice would need to convict him.

What I found more interesting was that when I did a paper on the murder trial in college and I interviewed black people, a significant portion (about 31% if I remember correctly) would tell me that though they believed OJ was guilty, they viewed his acquittal as a measure of justice for all the black men who were wrongfully accused and imprisoned by a racist white law enforcement structure.
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@Gimmeabreak

Can you post part of your paper on here? would love to read what you had to say. If not, I do understand that.

@ Gimmeabreak78

I didn’t read your post until after I had written mine. Almost a third of the black people you surveyed thought that a man who was a wealthy, comfortable athlete could kill the mother of his children and someone who he loved and who loved him. And this was justified because of past wrongs done by other people to other people. That seems so bizarre to me.

@Mike

I wrote that paper more than 10 years ago. Unearthing it would mean taking a trip into attic and probably rediscovering pictures of myself during my “bad perm” phase…lol.

@White Devil/Gimmeabreak78

I am not disputing the fact that there were/are some blacks who supported OJ out of a sense of racial allegiance. I personally always thought he was guilty, and I still do. But I do understand how his trial represented more than an individual case for a number of African Americans, given historical accounts upon accounts of blacks who were murdered by whites without any sort of legal retribution (Emmett Till was frequently cited by some, from what I recall). I did/do not agree with that line of thinking, but I do perceive the deeper emotions behind the support of some for the not guilty verdict, just as I perceive that OJ’s acquittal has been used as some as as example of the miscarriage of justice in favor of a black man.

@ Sydney

I understood their line of thinking and thought that it was bogus. I am glad that you agree with me on that. Emotions should not be the basis for an acquittal, only that facts presented in that particular case.

I wrote that paper more than 10 years ago. Unearthing it would mean taking a trip into attic and probably rediscovering pictures of myself during my “bad perm” phase…lol.
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@Gimmeabreak

I am sure it was written well though. LOL. OK. Yeah I have some pictures from back in the day that need to stay where there are too. Few jheri curls. I was heavy handed with my spray.

@White Devil

I didn’t read your post until after I had written mine. Almost a third of the black people you surveyed thought that a man who was a wealthy, comfortable athlete could kill the mother of his children and someone who he loved and who loved him. And this was justified because of past wrongs done by other people to other people. That seems so bizarre to me.
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At the time I had written the paper, it was 1997 or ’98 and OJ had been acquitted in ’95, so the fervor about it was still quite high.

To be fair, the people I interviewed were not taking pleasure or solace in the murder itself, but in OJ’s acquittal for it. His acquittal was a very symbolic statement for many blacks. Unfortunately Nicole Brown and Ron Goldman became the sacrifical lambs for that symbolic statement, but it was a statement nonetheless.

If you remember, the 90s was the decade that had also seen Rodney King beaten by several members of the LAPD while lying prostrate on the ground. Those officers’ acquittal (which touched off the LA Riots) was still fresh in a lot minds. As a matter of fact, one of my respondents cited Rodney King’s beating as the reason why he felt OJ’s acquittal was just.

For the record, I don’t think OJ’s acquittal or the LAPD’s acquittal were just, but keeping the context of black men’s interactions with the LAPD in the 1990s in mind, I understood, but didn’t condone why some of my subjects felt the way they did.

@Mike
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@Syd

Makes Me Wanna Holler is a good book. I think many of our people should read it, if they have not. They would realize why they call our women names like nappy head hos, bytches. Some people actually hate people who look anything like them because they hate themselves. That is why some black men do not have respect for black women.

Right. It is easy to notice the intelligence.
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Yes it was an excellent book, but before reading that they should go back an read Manchild In The Promised Land by Claude Brown which is a similar book but for a different generation. Even though these authors experiences occurred a couple of generations apart, they are eerily similar.

@White Devil

“I understood their line of thinking and thought that it was bogus. I am glad that you agree with me on that. Emotions should not be the basis for an acquittal, only that facts presented in that particular case.”

The law should be solely based on facts, but, to the public at large, emotions — and history — were front and center. As Gimmeabreak wrote, this case had all the hot-button elements that ensured controversy, and we cannot ignore that race was a major element of the trial, from start to finish. Race has always been an issue — one that we still do not discuss openly and honestly — in this country, and this has been true in all segments of society, including the legal system, in which there are documented cases of racial disparities in arrests (i.e. racial profiling) and sentencing. There’s also the well-known history of whites who have committed crimes against blacks with little or no punishment (there were numerous lynchings, for example, that went unpunished).

I think race is such an embedded, still painful issue among us that it’s impossible to divorce it from situations/incidents in which it is clearly a factor (would the OJ trial have received the publicity it did had Nicole been black?). I thought the case illuminately how deeply divisions along racial lines continue to exist in this country and how there are wounds that still have not healed.

At the crux of a number of posts on this site is an individual person’s poor judgment/selection. Until a person admits to his/her own faults and mistakes, internal changes cannot occur.

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@Syd

Oh yes. Poor decisions are part of the problem. Here is another thing, the mistakes some people make is carrying the problems to the next relationship, meaning they did not resolve anything with that ex or they are looking at the new person in their life like they are the ex who wronged them. At this point, some will look at any person that comes into their lives like they are still their ex from years back. People are still carrying this hurt with them. I think this is part of the reason why internal changes cannot happen.

Stephen is 100% correct. I luv when he’s on these talk shows. He’s the only one that make sense of all the BS. I hope that he is recognize for his brilliance is given his own show one day.

@Txhustla15

Good afternoon, sir. Good to see you on the thread. Let me ask you a question if I may:

Do you think that a man (regardless of wealth or public stature) has a duty to behave with integrity? (And by integrity, I mean the extent to which a man actually is who he represents himself to be to others.)

@ Gimmeabreak

That was about the same time I was in college too. I went to UCLA, so I was kind of at the epicenter of the whole thing.

This discussion led me to think of something. I have heard a lot of people on here say that with the election of Obama, racist white people are coming out of the woodwork. Do you think that race relations are better or worse now than at that time (~1995)? That seemed like a real low point, but it was also when many white people became aware of problems that black people had that many white people were not previously aware of (for example: racist cops)

Hey Txhustla

“I agree with Marquis – this is beyond funny though when the primary focus of this country lets aside from two wars , health care , education etc – is Tigers infidelity and Just how real was his apology.”

Well, we all know one of the major reasons why this is still in the media cycle, no?

Well I am off this blog for the night. I enjoyed the conversation. Catch you later everybody. Have a pleasant evening.

What did he say wrong? It was the truth. Like Jordan, I’m done with Tiger. They are money hungry control freaks. As much as I LOVE me some Nike, I’m done with them too. I’m tired of paying top dollar for their shoes so they can pay these fools tons of money.

@White Devil

“Do you think that race relations are better or worse now than at that time (~1995)? That seemed like a real low point, but it was also when many white people became aware of problems that black people had that many white people were not previously aware of (for example: racist cops)”

I was in NYC at the time of the verdict, and I recall it being a very racially polarizing time, but what I’m observing currently feels different, more threatening. OJ was a former athlete, but we now have a black man in the highest office in the land — the most visible position in the world — and that symbolizes power, which I think is much more disconcerting to some people. Obama’s position represents the further empowerment of blacks and other groups of color to a certain segment and a risk to the status quo, IMHO.

I also discern a backlash among some against blacks with the election of Obama, as if having a president of color means that racism has officially ended and that the playing field has been leveled.

Good night, Mike. It was a pleasure conversing with you as well.

SHUT UP!! YOU THINK YOUR SO SMART, STEVEN!! YOU HAVE A FEW WHITE WOMEN TOO! NAH, YOU A GRIMY NEGRO. YOU WANT THE BIRDS AT THE OFFICE. THEY MAKE YOU FEEL LIKE A BIG MAN. IN THE CLUB, THEY IGNORE YOU! OFFICE GOSSIPING A$$ MUTHAFUKA!!

@ Sydney

I think the sorry state of the American economy might be the source of some of the unease. A lot of people are out of work and making less and looking for someone to blame.

*correction

might

@White Devil

I honestly believe that it is better in many ways, but it’s definitely not eradicated (or the question wouldn’t need to be asked). I don’t think Barack Obama’s presidency would be possible if race relations weren’t better. I don’t necessarily think that more racists are coming out of the woodwork–it’s just that not since the days of MLK has one man been a bigger target for racism. I just think that Barack Obama is the biggest embodiment of their fear. I also think that because many black people are sensitive to threats and attacks against Barack Obama, we are also more sensitive to threats and attacks against all other black people in general.

Speaking from my own personal experience, I remember on election night feeling very tenative. I saw that Obama was winning, but I still felt like something would happen to steal that moment of history, so I didn’t really breathe my sigh of relief until well after the inauguration ceremony. In a lot of ways, Pres. Obama’s election has caused me to be more vigilant about racism, but I don’t necessarily believe that there is more of it present now than there was 15 years ago.

@White Devil

“I think the sorry state of the American economy might be the source of some of the unease. A lot of people are out of work and making less and looking for someone to blame.”

Yes, of course, the economy is exacerbating tensions, such as with the debate over illegal immigration. I think the longer the recession continues, the more desperate and unhinged people may become.

@Gimmeabreak78

“I also think that because many black people are sensitive to threats and attacks against Barack Obama, we are also more sensitive to threats and attacks against all other black people in general.”

I recall reading/hearing that some African Americans were reluctant to vote for Obama because they feared for his life, and I can certain understand that fear (and have felt it myself on more than one occasion).

Who the hell does he think he is Rush Lembow,he needs to sit his loud mouth down and i mean loud mouth.

Stvee is hard of hearing, that’s why he talks so loud he didn’t hear most of it anyway.

@ Sydney and Gimmeabreak

My fiance said that white people were too racist to allow Obama to be president. But she was wrong and I was right. That didn’t change her perceptions about most white people though.

GRIMY A$$ NICCA. TYPE TO FORCE CHIX AT WORK TO DATE HIM. LEAVE TIGER ALONE. LOOK AT THAT LOOK ON HIS FACE. YOU THINK A BYCH WITH A BODY CAN BREATHE AROUND STEPHEN? LOL. YOU GET NO P…Y OUTSIDE OF WORK.

@White Devil

I had my doubts about White America too. I must say that I was stunned that so many white people voted for him, but I am not stunned that so many are having buyer’s remorse because he hasn’t managed to reverse the damage done in his first year of office.

Love Stephen A.!!!!!!!!!! Never really dug Tiger anywho!

TIGERS PERSONAL LIFE IS HIS BUSINESS! HE’S A GOLFER, NOT GOD. STEPHEN A SMITH SHOULD WORRY LESS ABOUT TIGER, AND MORE ABOUT HIS HAIRLINE!!!

STEPHEN A IS SUCH A HYPOCRIT!!! WHY ARE YOU GOING SO HARD AT TIGER FOR HIS SITUATION WHEN WE ALL KNOW HOW YOUR MARRIED BEST NBA BUDDY IVERSON GETS DOWN. IVERSON HAS BEEN MARRIED FOR YEARS AND DOESN’T EVEN HIDE HOW HE GETS DOWN. THATS HIS DAMN BUSINESS. I DON’T KNOW HIM, I DON’T CARE! IT’S FUNNY HOW STEPHEN A IS A HUGE IVERSON MEDIA GROUPIE, AND HAS BEEN HIS WHOLE CAREER. ALL THE SUDDEN YOU GO HARD AT TIGER!!! AFTER ALL THE NBA LOCKER ROOMS THIS DUDE FREQUENTS, HE’S SOOOO DISGUSTED WITH TIGER. NEGRO PLEASE!!! ITS OK FOR YOUR MARRIED BEST NBA BUDDY IVERSON & ALL THE OTHER STUFF YOU AND YOUR MEDIA COUNTER PARTS SEE; BUT TIGER IS THE DEVIL HIMSELF FOR THE SAME TRANSGRETIONS???!!! OH, I SEE! TIGER DOESN’T GIVE YOU INTERVIEWS SO NOW ITS PAYBACK OR SOMETHING! WHAT A CLOWN! DON’T THROW STONES WHEN YOU LIVE IN A GLASS HOUSE!

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Tiger’s apology should be directed to his wife & family. His “statement reading ” was so scripted & rehearsed & made it looked so staged when he huggged his mother after the speech before walking off into the sunset. Get me the vomit bag!!!

Stephen Smith is an opportunist dyck.

Stephen Smith is an opportunist looking for headlines. His career is fading like his hairline.

All of us in support of an explanation or apology from Tiger Woods are all such hypocrites! If the world knew half the stuff we have in our closets we’d be ashamed to even walk out of our front doors every day!

Tiger is human, he plays good golf & had it just been proven that he’s been cheating in the sport, then we could all start talking! For now, let’s leave it to God who’ll judge US ALL in time!

hollabackgirl
Cosign 100%, it really is a damn shame. If only all of us in this life could get a public apology for someone cheating on us. I knew Tiger was in trouble when he said that he was cablo – ablo…whatever. Okay, the man made a mistake, he apologized, Americans let’s move on. Why is our country like this? Always throwing stones at every body elses house and many of our homes are Broken – Shattered and everything else. It’s a Damn Shame!

he hit it right on the nail…tiger, is such a wuzzy…too little,too late…failed!!! demage has been done already… continue…

ANOTHER O.J.SIMPSON!!! He sorrounded him self with only white people.DON’T FEEL SORRY FOR HIM!!!

Everyone is saying Tiger Woods do not owe us an apology, but does it ever occur to you guys who say this, that it is not meant for us? Fans my ass…That speech was for his investers so that when they sign him again they wont have the blacklash from the media and people buying their products…Also, it was about is wife…Yes, he could have told her he his sorry in private, but she probably wants the world to hear it, because when she takes him back, she do not want to look stupid….

What he did he did and he was in the right frame of mind when he was doing it…Does he owe us an apology? Absolutely not! Just don’t be fooled thinking that was about us…

ON TO THE NEXT ONE!

TIGER IS FULL OF ISH, THAT APOLOGY WAS NOT SINCERE & YES HE OWES THE WORLD AN APOLOGY HE IS A PUBLIC FIGURE & MORE IS EXPECTED OF HIM; HE MISLED EVERYONE, SOLD US AN IMAGE RATHER THAN WHO HE ACTUALLY IS SO YES HE SHOULD PAY SINCE THE TRUTH IS COMING TO LIGHT….HE’S A FRAUD!

[...] much of Cheetah Woods televised apology rang hollow, he wasn’t “Lion” about one thing — going back to rehab. Tiger said he had [...]

I don’t condone what he did but the reality of it is people like Stephen A. and other extremely judgmental people keep saying his apology isn’t enough, he didn’t mean it, etc. Ok when did any of you people become GOD? When did you develop powers to read people’s hearts? Bottom line is he did what he had to do TO SALVAGE HIS CAREER!!! Whether or not he means what he says that’s between him, his wife and GOD!!!!

I’m so sick of people acting like he’s the first public figure to cheat on his wife and HIDE IT!!!! Actors, singers, hell every day people do it ALL THE TIME!! PARENTS should be the role models, not sports figures and people in entertainment! No one is perfect, and the most imperfect ones are the ones who have the mone and access to give in to various temptations! Stephen A. and others need to get off their soap boxes because the main ones crying “FOUL” are the ones who have skeletons in their closets too!!! I’m not mad at Tiger for trying to get his life back together. Let’s just all hope that he has learned his lesson.

For Mr. SMith, I’d simply say, careful of the bones you choose to pick over dear. Your day too will come when the vultures decide to soar over your carrcas. Hmmmm, I wonder who your tormentor will be dear? It’s always easiest to kick a man when he’s down, it only shows cowardice Mr. Smith. Simple cowardice. He is neither married to you, nor anyone on this site and owes you nothing dear. Now perhaps if you signed him in some lucrative deal or endorsement, then fine, say what you will. But I don’t believe you have. The one thing I will agree with you on dear is those horrible women who feel they deserve anything other than a scarlet “W”…to show the world what they truly are (W-H-O-R-E-S).