Joe The Plumber is Suspect, Just Like McLame
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Joe The Plumber tried to challenge your boy Barack and McCain tried to “lean” on Joe P. last night in the president debate but come to find out, that nicca Joe P. is suspect, You can tell by the above picture that Joe P. was up to no good:
According to public records, Mr. Wurzelbacher has been subject to two liens, each over $1,000, one of which — a personal tax lien — is still outstanding. Turns out that “Joe the Plumber,” as he became nationally known when Senator John McCain made him a theme at Wednesday night’s third and final presidential debate, may run a plumbing business but he is not a licensed plumber. His full name is Samuel J. Wurzelbacher. And he owes a bit in back taxes. The premise of his question to Mr. Obama about taxes may also be flawed, according to tax analysts.
An official at Local 50 of the plumber’s union, based in Toledo, said Mr. Wurzelbacher does not hold a license. He also has never served an apprenticeship and does not belong to the union. (The national plumber’s union, the United Association of Plumbers, Steamfitters, and Service Mechanics, endorsed Mr. Obama, it should be noted.)
“He’s basically playing games with the world,” Thomas Joseph, the local’s business manager, said in a telephone interview Thursday morning.
And his question to Mr. Obama about paying taxes? According to some tax analysts, if Mr. Wurzelbacher’s gross receipts from his business is $250,000 — and not his taxable income — then he would not have to pay higher taxes under Mr. Obama’s plan, and probably would be eligible for a tax cut.
On Thursday, he told the Associated Press that he felt like Britney Spears.
“I’m kind of like Britney Spears having a headache,” he said. “Everybody wants to know about it.”
SMH. Suspect @ss nicca. That Joe P. is something else.
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just as i thought. he’s a fake
Man, Rep. don’t give a flip about twisting facts. They know that Obama plans to raise taxes on those BRINGING HOME more than $250,000.
***** John McNeedACaine OLD *****!
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Loooool! That is a good one! I was wondering who in the hell is Joe Plummer? Needless to say I know now……*****ODY SPECIAL!
I LOVE the “fact checkers”…
That’s what McCain gets for using this guy as one of his “themes” last night…
I LOVE THE INTERNET AGE!!!!!!
What was PALIN’s rant at the vice presidential debate to Mr. Biden??…..SAY IT AIN’T SO JOE!!!!..LMAO!!!!!
HILARIOUS!!!!!!
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typical republican desperation. too little too late.
His dumb ***** did look outta place…that man lookin’ at him like…WHO YOU?
SUCKERS!!
HAAAAA i knew that mother*****er was a fake ***** white man. planted by John Mccain cronies to discredit obama. he was kicking that *****. sit yo punk ***** down Joe and Plumb your ***** out of them checks
OBAMA 08 Beeyotch
bossip why did you not mention his Keating connection…being a relative and he also is a resident of Arizona.
If you listen to or post his original interview with Senator Obama, you will see this man is a fraud.
he was clearly a republican plant!!!!
I Knew this ***** was a fake. sit you punk broke ***** down. John Mccain *****rider. this is an attempt by John Mccain to discredit obama. ***** outta here
Joe was clearly a ***** put there by the McCain camp. Joe and McCain have ties from years back. Joe the wack plummer is the cousin or freind or something of one of the guys that was involved in a scandal with McCain. Who do they really think they’re fooling?! NOT ME!!! THE LOSERS!
Obama had to have that atleast 50 times last night!!! If the plumber’s income is less than 250k a year then he will not see a tax increase!!! I hate how McCain kept trying to turn the issue around…I hate him, Obama made a fool out of him last night though…he was trying to get crunk…but Obama is so freakin intelligent and cl*****y too much for him!!!
Can somebody tell me what the hell John McLame was writing whilst Obama was talking at the debates? I liked when Obama told McLame “I don’t care about your hurt feelings…the real issue is the economy… lets talk about that (paraphrased) lol
I knew it!!
Iam glad he is getting called out
Bossip, please correct the spelling of plumber. Unless the error is on purpose. Thank you.
When the hell did plumbers start making $250,000? I know it’s skilled labor but damn!. Teachers, nurses, firemen, police, and military personnel don’t make nearly that much. Even with years of schooling.
Dear Joe The Plumber,
Both candidates really seemed to care a lot about your situation. I would like to point out that I do not. I don’t care what you have to say. You are stupid, uninformed, and dishonest. I deduced this because you argued with Obama on a false premise (that you make over $250,000 annually), you lied about your “undecided” status – you clearly favor McCain, and you are a plumber. Politicians and lawyers are known to be liars, but I think we have all been conned by one plumber too many to go for this line of reasoning.
I would like to say to the honest plumbers of the world, don’t be offended. Some of you are honest and the overwhelming majority are hard working. But you know many of your brethren like to take advantage of people when their toilets are leaking. And in the Bush economy, who can blame you? It is getting tough to make a buck out there.
So Joe, take a hike. And when your taxes are reduced by Obama – I hope you enjoy it. Buy yourself some more Sean Hannity books. It has clearly led you to be very well informed.
I say good day.
He was a plant that backfired, just like choosing Sarah Palin for a running mate back fired.
VOTE PEOPLE!
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bossip why did you not mention his Keating connection…being a relative and he also is a resident of Arizona.
If you listen to or post his original interview with Senator Obama, you will see this man is a fraud.
he was clearly a republican plant!!!!
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Joe was clearly a ***** put there by the McCain camp. Joe and McCain have ties from years back. Joe the wack plummer is the cousin or freind or something of one of the guys that was involved in a scandal with McCain. Who do they really think they’re fooling?! NOT ME!!! THE LOSERS!
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Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmm I believe you but I need to know the source so I can shut it down over here.
Thanks…
*CLAPS FOR BOSSIP* Way to go. I got tired typing that long ***** *****.
McFake and Jo Blow….ha ha ha!
I’m a crip walk all da way to the booth!
I might snap a ankle and both knees but Obama is going to make sure I got health care!
I knew that was a lame attempt to a publicity stunt…
John McCain who has never even met the man called him his old buddy in last night’s debate…
what kind of shyt?
“He’s basically playing games with the world,” Thomas Joseph, the local’s business manager, said in a telephone interview Thursday morning.
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The media plays mind games with the world…
This right here s*****s up another 100,000 votes for Obama
That just goes to show you sound desperate and sloppy McFraudulent is. Joe has a lawsuit for not filing taxes, he compared Obama to Sammy Davis Junior tap dancing, he lied about having a plumber’s license, and even if he can do some plumbing work-plumbers do not make that much-they make 65,000-70,000. I know this because I father is a licensed plumber in Ohio.
McFraudulent is busted. I hope voters see that McFraudulent has been a yellow-tooth liar all along.
Ok Bossip you are the only website reporting this…I need proof you idiots as much as I want to believe. IF you can’t back up this information with any fact than you’re no better than the McCain Campain. I have not seen this reported anywhere else yet!
Bossip is turning in to the klan for Barack…I mean I support my man…but we’re all starting to walk a thin line.
Keep your integrity people or we’re just as bad as those racist muth*****as up in Ohio.
Ok Bossip you are the only website reporting this…I need proof you idiots as much as I want to believe. IF you can’t back up this information with any fact than you’re no better than the McCain Campain. I have not seen this reported anywhere else yet!
Bossip is turning in to the klan for Barack…I mean I support my man…but we’re all starting to walk a thin line.
Keep your integrity people or we’re just as bad as those racist *****fockas up in Ohio.
SPECTACULAR JOB ON THIS BOSSIP! Way to go on unlockin the door to his skelton filled closet and what a dumb a$$ for providing the key! It’s not over for Joe Joe the plumber man now that he has been found out, he won’t be doin any more plumbing for a minute! Somebody let Obama know so he can have another good laugh
Family, just remember to GO TO THE POLLS AND VOTE! They are counting on us not following thru!
Please show people who do not care about our lives that we can follow thru just fine because we understand we have to care about ourselves and do for ourselves!
Joe The Plumber: Not A Tax Expert-Sam Stein
Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher, a.k.a. “Joe the Plumber,” is the topic of the day on the campaign trail, in part because he held an impromptu press conference Thursday morning in front of his house to discuss tax policy, his disdain for Social Security, and his critiques of Barack Obama.
Already, however, there is some dispute as to whether or not Wurzelbacher was being accurate with his critique of Obama. His business, as ABC reports, would almost certainly get a tax cut under Obama’s plan, given that he does not expect to make anywhere close to $250,000 in profits.
Moreover, for someone worried about his taxes, Wurzelbacher doesn’t — it appears – always pay them. A filing with the Lucas County Court of Common Pleas shows that he has had state tax liens filed against him, meaning he was either delinquent or didn’t fully cover taxes that he owed.
A representative at the court explained that Wurzelbacher had not paid $1,182.98 of personal income tax. The state filed a lien on January 26, 2007, and the payment remains outstanding. But the court rep also cautioned that this all may have occurred without Wurzelbacher’s knowledge.
“We get hundreds of state liens every day and we don’t have to make a judgment on them. We are just putting in there what the state says is owed. We don’t notify that person and neither does the state. If there was activity on this lien, if they attempted to collect it on this case – which they haven’t — it would show up. But I am 99.9 percent positive that he doesn’t even know about this.”
Tax-issues aside, the “Joe-the-Plumber” fervor seems to be spreading beyond small town Ohio. On the streets of Manhattan this morning, a plumbing company car was spotted with a “Joe The Plumber For President” poster on its side.
But before Obama supporters fret about losing the plumber vote, it’s worth noting that the United *****ociation of Plumbers and Pipefitters has endorsed the Illinois Democrat, in part because the union thinks he has the best economic agenda for its members.
“Obama will help us keep existing jobs and work to develop new, higher paying jobs here in America, reform our health care system, fix our ailing schools and make sure that the pensions of our retirees are safe,” the union said.
It’s on the New York Times website. Way to go Bossip.
I can’t wait for this ACORN mess to blow over. People are arguing that Obama gave ACORN $832,000 to commit voter fraud. It’s being investigated by the FBI.
Just remember to get to the polls and follow thru on your vote!
All the talking and fact finding in the world does not tally to the Oval Office for OBAMA!
You have to vote!
Thanks Black Woman and Chaka1
Now I can consciously bash!!!
F*ck McLame!!!!
Obama 08′
McShame needs to go sit down..that what happens when you base your campaign on one liners instead of real issues.
He just makes Obama look so good! Keep it up Mc Stupid!
They gonna be all in his bizness now..
how can he cry about taxes, when this fool dont even pay taxes? SMH
I have no intention of being wealthy in the next 4 years, so Obama’s plan works for me
i need a source, bossip. yall sketchy.
Barack better watch his back… Those whities are up to no good.
I GUESS HE’S MORE LIKE “JOE THE HOE” NOW!!! LOL!!!
SAME AS THE “REGULAR” BLACK DUDE WHO WAS A PLANT TOO!!!
IT’S ALL FUNNY THO…….
Nat, check the New York times. Bossip is on the business.
McGeezer is sloppy is hell. Two of his plants were found out. I bet you all those racists *****ers were plants, too. If this backfired, imagine what those KKK *****ers rants will do on election day for americans to prove they are above that. McGeriatic has lost this election, and he needs to be put back on his oxygen tank. Old pudding eating *****. McGramps…ha.
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It’s on the New York Times website. Way to go Bossip.
I can’t wait for this ACORN mess to blow over. People are arguing that Obama gave ACORN $832,000 to commit voter fraud. It’s being investigated by the FBI.
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I guess it’s no wonder John McCain was so happy to use “Joe the Plumber” as a debate prop last night — he’s a partisan Republican who also happens to be a member of McCain’s old friends, the Keating family.
From Martin Eisenstadt:
Turns out that Joe Wurzelbacher from the Toledo event is a close relative of Robert Wurzelbacher of Milford, Ohio. Who’s Robert Wurzelbacher? Only Charles Keating’s son-in-law and the former senior vice president of American Continental, the parent company of the infamous Lincoln Savings and Loan. The now retired elder Wurzelbacher is also a major contributor to Republican causes giving well over $10,000 in the last few years.
Now I guess we know why Joe is telling the press that Obama is a “socialist” and that the Obama tax plan “infuriated” him. After all, it would hit families like the Keatings and their minions the hardest.
Not to mention that Obama’s economic-recovery plan would put the crimps on influence peddlers like McCain’s old friends, the Keating Five.
But he sure made for a good one-day story.
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Keating Five Scandal–google it
SMH!!
If people are doing this to get in the Whitehouse, what will they do after they in the Whitehouse?
Please follow thru on voting or at least bringing people to the polls so they can vote!
We must settle this once and for all!
Keating relative huh? – I am disgusted, thoroughly!!
NEW YORK (AP)—Major League Baseball has agreed to push back the start time of a potential World Series Game 6 by eight minutes to allow Democrat Barack Obama to purchase a half-hour of air time on the Fox network.
Baseball spokesman Pat Courtney said Thursday that the game time would now be set for 8:35 p.m.
The Obama presidential campaign said Oct. 9 that it had bought the 8-8:30 p.m slot on CBS and NBC.
“Fox will accommodate Senator Obama’s desire to communicate with voters in this long-form format,” network spokesman Lou D’Ermilio said in a statement. “We are pleased that Major League Baseball has agreed to delay the first pitch of World Series Game 6 for a few minutes in order for Fox to carry his program on Oct. 29. If requested, the network would be willing to make similar time available to Senator McCain’s campaign.”
The World Series has not gone to a sixth game since 2003.
The decision was first reported by The Hollywood Reporter
yea i knew it- crazy *****
By the way-Obama endorsed the Phillies to win the series since his White Sox lose.
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as usual bossip gets the political factz wrong…per ohio law only commercial plumbers need a license…this guy does residential plumbing..so b4 u clown some1 get ya facts str8 and stop trying to show your political ignorance just cause u disagree with a persons position..you sound like some ignanta$$ fool on the corner bummin for loosies…bossip need joe da plumber to give them a pipe job in da mouf
I CANT WAIT TO PAY MORE TAXES UNDER OBAMA YEHH!!!!!!!!!!
SKIN HEAD! lol nuff said McCain and all his KKK fans are out to cause some drama.
Republicans are looking out for the rich!
Glad this came out about Joe the unlicensed plumber.
How could Joe be a plant? Last time I checked, Obama was walking around in Joe’s neighborhood wanting to interact with “the average Joe” not the other way around.
You guys have officially climbed over the deep end. Keep attacking Joe and see what’s in store on election day.
I’m going to say it again. It’s Obama’s supporters who are going to cost Obama the election.
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I TOLD YOU F**KING N*GGERS TO LEAVE ME ALONE! NOW YOU WILL PAY. IF I CATCH ANY OF YOU I’M GONNA TAKE MY MONKEYWRENCH AND BEAT YOUR HEAD TO THE WHITE MEAT! THEN I’M GONNA POUR DRANO DOWN YOUR THROATS! MOTHERF**KING N*GGERS!
While we are at it, Senator Obama, can we have your transcripts and LSAT scores? And, throw Michelle’s in there too. Thanks.
I know more about Joe the Plumber than I do about Obama’s time in college and law school. And I only knew about Joe yesterday.
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I TOLD YOU F**KING N*GGERS TO LEAVE ME ALONE! NOW YOU WILL PAY. IF I CATCH ANY OF YOU I’M GONNA TAKE MY MONKEYWRENCH AND BEAT YOUR HEAD TO THE WHITE MEAT! THEN I’M GONNA POUR DRANO DOWN YOUR THROATS! MOTHERF**KING N*GGERS!
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I’m scared, Joey!
Can somebody tell me what the hell John McLame was writing whilst Obama was talking at the debates? I liked when Obama told McLame “I don’t care about your hurt feelings…the real issue is the economy… lets talk about that (paraphrased) lol
He was writing I hate this nicca! lol
dont start nothing you cant finish you lying *****, you aint no plumber and you are gonna get your lying ***** exposed so there.
Hey y’all! Here is a site from MichaelMoore.com showing how even local GOP offices (a women’s group in California) engages in blatant racist attacks, to the detriment of even its Black members. I wonder if McCain is proud of this. BTW – the woman who drew this up said she didn’t have racist intentions. Almost like saying I didn’t know repeatedly stabbing someone may kill them.
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dubya with your dumb ***** if you bothered to research you would know about their education here it is since you are too ignorant to look it up:
With America facing historic debt, multiple war fronts, stumbling health care, a weakened dollar, all-time high prison population, skyrocketing, Federal spending, mortgage crises, bank foreclosures, etc. etc., this is an unusually critical election year.
Let’s look at the educational background of the candidates and see what
they bring to the job:
Obama:
Occidental College – Two years.
Columbia – University – B.A. political science with a specialization in
international relations.
Harvard – Juris Doctor (J.D.) Magna ***** Laude
Biden:
University of Delaware – B.A. in history and B.A. in political science.
Syracuse University College of Law – Juris Doctor (J.D.)
vs.
McCain:
United States Naval Academy – Cl***** rank 894 out of 899!!
(Meaning tha t, like George Bush, McCain was at the bottom of his cl*****!!! )
Palin:
Hawaii – Pacific University – 1 semester
North Idaho College – 2 semesters – General Studies
University of Idaho – 2 semesters – Journalism
Matanuska – Susitna College – 1 semester
University of Idaho – 3 semesters – B.A. in journalism
Now, which team are you going to hire to lead the most influential
nation in the world? booyah
Please send this information to all your friends, family and colleagues who can
and will be voting!
@Bossip!!! Keith Olberman mentioned that “Joe Plumber” does not own a business, and the business he works for only rakes in $100,000 a yr, which means the company would be taxed! Also Joe (who needs to go blow) the Plumber only EARNS $40,000, so he would benefit from Senator Obama’s economic plan!
Just thought I’d clear that up for you… You can thank me if you’d like.
Oopps, the company WOULD NOT be taxed!!!
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While we are at it, Senator Obama, can we have your transcripts and LSAT scores? And, throw Michelle’s in there too. Thanks.
I know more about Joe the Plumber than I do about Obama’s time in college and law school. And I only knew about Joe yesterday.
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That only means you cared NOT to learn (or hear) more about Senator Obama, and thought Joe The Plumber carries more weight! LMAO @ You!! That has to be one of the most ignorant comments I’ve ever read! And TRUST, you DO NOT WANT TO KNOW either of the Obama’s LSAT scores… to see them would most likely make you want to drop the zero (McPain), and get with the TRUE HERO (Obama)!!! Ignorant azz!
Then again, please someone provide “dubya” with those scores… he needs to be converted!!! LMAO!!!
his name ain’t even Joe! He said Obama would look out for him. But lets wait and see if Sam takes to being on the Mclame side, so doubt it if he knows whats good. Read my post; republicans are nasty.
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Just looking at “Joe the racist Plumber” you can tell he is up to no good. Go ahead Mc Cain send your dumb goonies…GOD help them
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dubya with your dumb ***** if you bothered to research you would know about their education here it is since you are too ignorant to look it up:
With America facing historic debt, multiple war fronts, stumbling health care, a weakened dollar, all-time high prison population, skyrocketing, Federal spending, mortgage crises, bank foreclosures, etc. etc., this is an unusually critical election year.
Let’s look at the educational background of the candidates and see what
they bring to the job:
Obama:
Occidental College – Two years.
Columbia – University – B.A. political science with a specialization in
international relations.
Harvard – Juris Doctor (J.D.) Magna ***** Laude
Biden:
University of Delaware – B.A. in history and B.A. in political science.
Syracuse University College of Law – Juris Doctor (J.D.)
vs.
McCain:
United States Naval Academy – Cl***** rank 894 out of 899!!
(Meaning tha t, like George Bush, McCain was at the bottom of his cl*****!!! )
Palin:
Hawaii – Pacific University – 1 semester
North Idaho College – 2 semesters – General Studies
University of Idaho – 2 semesters – Journalism
Matanuska – Susitna College – 1 semester
University of Idaho – 3 semesters – B.A. in journalism
Now, which team are you going to hire to lead the most influential
nation in the world? booyah
Please send this information to all your friends, family and colleagues who can
and will be voting
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You are the dumb *****, what you just posted did not answer what I wanted. I said transcripts (a record of actual grades–perhaps you did not graduate from high school so maybe you don’t know what I am talking about) and LSAT scores. You provided neither.
Those inner city schools are working miracles!
So, pam, why is Joe the plumber’s info important either? Right, it’s not, just as Obama’s LSAT scores are not either. Perhaps you skipped the literature lesson on sarcasm.
But for some reason, you seem to think that Joe’s info is somehow important to the economy?
dubya
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So, pam, why is Joe the plumber’s info important either? Right, it’s not, just as Obama’s LSAT scores are not either. Perhaps you skipped the literature lesson on sarcasm.
But for some reason, you seem to think that Joe’s info is somehow important to the economy?
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An unlicensed plumber taking business from plumbers who spent time and money to do the right thing? I think that’s somehow important to the economy and small business.
Certain leaders in America, still think that All of us are Sheep… And will even conisder, McLames approach.. Really sad, the people that are still hanging one because of race, are the true losers..
Obama…. 08
There is an unconfirmed rumor that this clown is related by marriage to Charles Keating, an S&L crook and a McCain former friend.
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When the hell did plumbers start making $250,000? I know it’s skilled labor but damn!. Teachers, nurses, firemen, police, and military personnel don’t make nearly that much. Even with years of schooling.
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You may also be surprised, at the man that picks up you garbage, tows your care, cleans your house. Not to mention Day Cares Your Kids,, Dont let the title fool ya,, I have had too deal with too many plumers, to tell you how much they,,,G,, Take you for.
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So, pam, why is Joe the plumber’s info important either? Right, it’s not, just as Obama’s LSAT scores are not either. Perhaps you skipped the literature lesson on sarcasm.
But for some reason, you seem to think that Joe’s info is somehow important to the economy?
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An unlicensed plumber taking business from plumbers who spent time and money to do the right thing? I think that’s somehow important to the economy and small business.
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So, according to your logic, you should not be voting for obama, since he is in favor of allowing undo*****ented workers to take jobs from our citizens. Right? That’s got to be bad for the economy too?
Joe the Plumber seems to be okay with his paper work according to this as he is an APPRENTICE under a Licensed worker:
Here are the details:
“The Ohio Construction Industry Licensing Board (O.C.I.L.B.), Department of Commerce, Division of Industrial Compliance, issues state commercial licenses to the following contractors: electrical, HVAC, hydronics, plumbing, and refrigeration. To receive a state license, an applicant must meet the following requirements: 1) be at least 18 years of age; 2) be a United States citizen or a legal alien-must provide proof of being a legal alien; 3) either have been a tradesperson in the type of licensed trade for which the application is filed for not less than five years immediately prior to the date the application is filed, currently be a registered engineer in this state with three years of business experience in the construction industry in the trade for which the engineer is applying to take the examination, or have other experience acceptable to the appropriate section of the board; 4) not have been convicted of or plead guilty to a misdemeanor involving moral turpitude or of any felony; 5) p***** the examination in the trade; 6) carry minimum $500,000 contractor liability coverage; 7) pay the applicable fees”
So here’s the point. Many news outlets have gotten it correct, but some have not and that needs to be corrected. Mr. Newell (Joe’s boss) is licensed, and Joe the Plumber is just short of his five years before he can apply for licensure, but as supervised by Newell, he’s o.k..
So shove it or better yet, keep at it. I’m sure many voters agree with you all attacking a man who simply asked Obama a question after Obama approached HIM in HIS neighborhood.
A quote from Obama:
“He’s trying to suggest that a plumber is the guy he’s fighting for,” Obama said. “How many plumbers you know that are making a quarter-million dollars a year?”
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Obama is:
1. Using a tactic of DEFLECTION to avoid the truth of the situation. He still failed to answer for those that DO make over 250,000 a year.
2. Coming off as an elitist. Plumbers who OWN their on business and have a staff make 250,000 dollars a year. Plumbers make anywhere between 90 – 125 dollars per hour. Go do the math.
3. He is the PLUMBER, he’s fighting for himself?
4.And even if he is not a plumber, what if he is fighting for his friend who is?
5. Total illogical statement. In summation it makes no sense.
I don’t give a flying flip what any of you say. I am sick and tired of Obama distorting truths for the sake of his campaign.
Obama and his goons just attacked a citizen who asked him a question after Obama approached HIM in HIS neighborhood.
And now Obama and McCain are tied in Ohio. How on earth did that happen?
The context of the question is still valid: If you work hard…and are successful…should you be PUNISHED in the form of higher taxation? Should your money be transferred to people less motivated & less hard working than you? Given the governments’ tendency to waste & mismanage your tax dollars…is it wise to give them MORE?
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The context of the question is still valid: If you work hard…and are successful…should you be PUNISHED in the form of higher taxation? Should your money be transferred to people less motivated & less hard working than you? Given the governments’ tendency to waste & mismanage your tax dollars…is it wise to give them MORE?
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THANK YOU. I Cosign 100%, right, Obama still has not answered the question of redistribution of wealth. He and his goons have just attacked the guy, OBAMA randomly selected.
This makes me beyond disgusted. This is lowest of lows. Obama got caught telling people how he really feels about hard working americans so he instead of clarifying his response to Joe the Plumber, he blames him for asking the question.
If someone can defend that, then may I suggest you read ANIMAL FARM so you can see where your future is headed.
As a libertarian, here’s my take on the whole “JOE THE PLUMBER” debacle:
Couple things to keep in mind: 1) I’m not an economist. 2) Talking about wanting to buy a business that makes $250k is usually a (minimally) a 2-1 or a 4-1 investment meaning that if it’s worth $250k, you’d pay $500k to over a million for the business, if not more. This is not a subtle point and perhaps an business entrepreneur here can further elaborate on these concepts.
If the plumbing business has infrastructure capital like trucks and a working staff, a ’storefront’ office, etc, that cost is likely to be much much higher so then we start talking about this guy paying upwards of at least $3mill or even more for this business. He states that Obama’s plan would prevent him buying the business but the difference in taxes (from what I understand) goes from 36% (under $250k) to 39% (over $250k) so is 3% really a deal-breaker? Plus there’s the notion of what exactly is going to be taxed. Are we talking gross profits? Health benefits paid to employees? There’s so much more involved then just thinking, here’s this guy who makes less than $250k as a plumber, who wants to save/invest and buy the company he works for which is supposedly a private firm valued at $250,000 (the ‘magic’ number). Again, it is far more than just a couple numbers that go into calculating whether or not he would be adversely affected by Obama’s tax plan. Or McCain’s for that matter.
But at least we’re talking about real ***** like the economy and people’s prospects for hanging on to the last vestige of the American dream instead of the pointless neo-McCarthy-ism bull*****. The neo-con mantra has been to equivocate HUGE business as *small* business which allows the big businesses to go ape***** at everyone’s expense (but their own). The same rules that prevent BIG business screwing us all can also hurt small businesses. But it seems like this was done for the purpose of changing views so we don’t punish the small business, which is a good thing of course! But then, with the intent of not restricting small businesses, we unleash the big businesses and they make a mockery of those small business profits but pretend they’re the exact same thing, deserving the same latitude and same lack of regulations.
Like taxing people according to their station, we need to tax business according to it’s station. Small business? Small taxes. Big business? BIG taxes.
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Will someone please explain BOSSIP’S filtering system? It seems way too arbitrary.
check 1-2. What’s the deal BOSSIP?
@ MARQUIS DE SADE:
You are dead-on right.I had an elaborate addendum to your posts…but “BIG B” filtered me out.Thanx Bossip.
Dr. Funk
BOSSIP’s been blocked my post this morning, and it’s doing the same thing tonight. This is why had to break up my comment into separate posts and for some reason, it won’t let me post my next paragraph.
Ooops! *Has been blocking my posts*
BOSSIPS WHAT’S UP WITH YOUR SITE? THE BLOGOSPHERE SHOULD BE THE LAST BASTION OF FREE EXPRESSION AND THOUGHT. DARE TO BE DIFFERENT AND DITCH YOUR FILTERING SYSTEM. IT’S FLAWED!
Exxon making over $40 billion in a quarter, you don’t actually think that we SHOULDN’T tax them more do you?
Marquis de Sade
(Check me out!)
Exxon making over $40 billion in a quarter, you don’t actually think that we SHOULDN’T tax them more do you?
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Yes and no. Yes tax them but no so much that is starts to have a reverse effect i.e., decline in investment, loss of shareholders, and job loss. Exxon and Joe the Plumber are in two totally different leagues.
A marginal expense for Joe is way greater than a marginal expense for Exxon.
But you raise some fantastic points!
I AM LOST IN THIS LAST NIGHT JARGON BUT I WILL GET IN WHERE I FIT IN! LOL
OBAMA 08!
dubya
I’m trying to post my rant in pieces, but now BOSSIP won’t even let me do that. It’s pretty confounding.
I CANT WAIT TO WEAR THIS FREAK EM DRESS OVER THE WEEKEND!
MY CURVES AS “TRYING TO ESCAPE” AND I KNOW THIS ONE WILL SHUT THE CLUB DOWN! THE JEALOUS LADIES WILL BE HATING AS ALWAYS, BUT HEY WHAT CAN YOU EXPECT WHEN YOU ARE A SUCCESSFUL BLACK WOMAN? LOL
EXCUSE TYPOES MY HOOF IS STICKY!
You can speak of being the champion of the underdog while blowing and spooning the overdog but sooner or later, all people, including small business owners, catch on and take their votes elsewhere. All the conjecture and finger pointing and ceaseless whining about how each candidate is gonna screw us all until we’re dead is nonsense. The debates are nonsense. The whole process has become a machined and contrived monstrosity that, by it’s existence, subverts true democracy. And for what? Profit? Entertainment? Partisan vindication? If I stop to think about any of these guys having genuinely *****le and good intentions for the country and her people and it always seems delusional at worst, and perhaps blindly optimistic at best?
Polishing the br***** on the Titanic indeed!
WELL PUT MR. DE SADE!
OBAMA 08
Didn’t get everything out I wanted to say, but my last paragraph pretty much conveys my opinion and feelings on this current race…That being said, i will vote for Obama (even though, i’m not a huge fan) – He’s too socialistic for my taste, but the prospect of McCain keeling over due to the stress of running this country, thus leaving it in the hands of that Dan Quayle with ***** scares the ***** out of me.
WHERE ARE SYDNEY AND KEVIN???
@Marquis, i feel you the whole process (primaries, debates, election) is just a freakshow!! it’s ridiculous what some will resort to just to get a vote.
GOOD MORNING!!!
They said that he was planted there by the Republicans to try to throw Obama off his game. SMDH @ this foolishness. They know that McGame is going to lose and they are not impressed. When will McCain learn people do research!!! That is how you know he is too old to be President, he is not even up on the technology of today’s world. You are done….GET OVER IT!!!
GOOD MORNTIN IJM!
THANK GOD IT IS FINALLY FRIDAY AND I HAVE ALREADY STARTED THE COUNTDOWN UNTIL FREE TIME FROM THE DUNGEON! LOL
HOPEFULLY WE CAN HAVE FREAKY FRIDAY ON BOSSIP AS USUAL! IT MAKES THE DAY GO BY MUCH FASTER THAN WHEN THE TROLLS ARE ON HERE!
I BETTER CHANGE MY GRAVIE SINCE IT IS ACTUALLY FRIDAY! LOL
@ Q
What’s up. Is this the real Q? I don’t see a gravie!! Where are you going on Saturday??
Good morning
I heard this morning that Colin Powell will appear on Meet the Press this Sunday, and there’s a lot of speculation that he may endorse Obama, which would make waves. We’ll see. . .
Also, the Washington Post endorsed Obama for president today.
Also, I think Bossip should post an item on the food stamp image distributed by a Republican women’s group in California. It’s really over the top, even by GOP standards. Story is on thehuffingtonpost(dot)com:
The latest newsletter by an Inland Republican women’s group depicts Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama surrounded by a watermelon, ribs and a bucket of fried chicken, prompting outrage in political circles.
The October newsletter by the Chaffey Community Republican Women, Federated says if Obama is elected his image will appear on food stamps — instead of dollar bills like other presidents. The statement is followed by an illustration of “Obama Bucks” — a phony $10 bill featuring Obama’s face on a donkey’s body, labeled “United States Food Stamps.”
Hey Sydney…good morning!
Hey IJM! Happy Friday
Good comments dubya!
@Dubya…You’re an idiot and you WORK FOR BOSSIP…
What the hell does LSAT scores have to do with anything…but better than that…HE WENT TO HARVARD LAW SCHOOL…WHICH MEANS HIS LSAT SCORES WERE IN THE TOP 1% OF HIS PEERS…
Unlike your “naval academy” candidate who got in on the “legacy” system…his dad was in the navy and he is and was dumb as hell…
Also, only 5% of Americans are worth more than 250K, meaning you are not…meaning only 5% of the people you would ever meet in your life are…..
Don’t you care more about the 95% of people you know? (including yourself)
Gd Morning all
Question: How come each candidate doesnt talk about keeping our kids safe with all the lead in the Chinese made toys?
@ SWAG-A-LICIOUS ^^^^
AMEN!!!
Hi Redd
You can check Obama’s site or send his campaign a note on your issue query.
Also, conservative David Brooks of the NY Times wrote some nice words today about Obama:
We’ve been watching Barack Obama for two years now, and in all that time there hasn’t been a moment in which he has publicly lost his self-control. This has been a period of tumult, combat, exhaustion and crisis. And yet there hasn’t been a moment when he has displayed rage, resentment, fear, anxiety, bitterness, tears, ecstasy, self-pity or impulsiveness.
Some candidates are motivated by something they lack. For L.B.J., it was respect. For Bill Clinton, it was adoration. These politicians are motivated to fill that void. Their challenge once in office is self-regulation. How will they control the demons, insecurities and longings that fired their ambitions?
But other candidates are propelled by what some psychologists call self-efficacy, the placid *****umption that they can handle whatever the future throws at them. Candidates in this mold, most heroically F.D.R. and Ronald Reagan, are driven upward by a desire to realize some capacity in their nature. They rise with an unshakable serenity that is inexplicable to their critics and infuriating to their foes.
Obama has the biography of the first group but the personality of the second. He grew up with an absent father and a peripatetic mother. “I learned long ago to distrust my childhood,” he wrote in “Dreams From My Father.” This is supposed to produce a politician with gaping personal needs and hidden wounds.
But over the past two years, Obama has never shown evidence of that. Instead, he has shown the same untroubled self-confidence day after day.
Dubya says to his mom….
“Mommy, mommy I don’t need an antibiotic for my pneumonia…5% of untreated cases go on to live healthy lives”
Dubya’s mom “Boy sit yo crazy a$$ down and take this medicine…..that means 95% of people who don’t die”
Dubya…
“But mommy, mommy I only care about that 5%, you know I ride the little yellow bus”….
Dubya’s mom…..”Lawd I wish Obama was president when I was pregnant so I could’ve received some pre-natal care when I was carrying dubya….”
Also note: Under McCain’s Plan “pregnancy” is looked at like a “pre-existing condition” and would not be covered…
@SWAG-a-licious
^5!!
And here are some poll results in swing states from Politico(dot)com. Obama is still leading in most of the polls, but it’s still crucial that people vote in this election:
Sen. Barack Obama holds leads in four key counties that will go a long way toward determining the eventual winner in four important swing states — Missouri, Ohio, Pennsylvania and Virginia — according to a new Politico/Insider Advantage survey.
Obama is poised to expand on recent Democratic gains in three populous suburban counties — Pennsylvania’s Bucks County, Missouri’s St. Louis County and Virginia’s Prince William County. In a fourth, Ohio’s Franklin County, home to Columbus and its suburbs, the survey also found Obama with the lead.
In Bucks County, a politically competitive but historically Republican suburb that shares a border with Philadelphia, Obama is running ahead of McCain, 47-41 percent. In 2004, Democrat John F. Kerry carried the county by a slim 51 percent to 48 percent.
Obama bests McCain 50 percent to 42 percent in Prince William County, a Washington, D.C. suburb that voted for George W. Bush in both 2000 and 2004. Between 1976 and 2004, Prince William County supported Republican presidential candidates by an average margin of 18 points.
McClain is a cynical, disrespectful *****hole and he would NEVER get my vote!
YES WE CAN!!!
@Sydney
Ill do that but I doubt they would bring it up.
You know Sydney, that whole dinner Obama/McCain had last night just reconfirms my belief that this whole election is b.s and, the real issues arent address..
@Redd
How’s that? That dinner, an annual event in NY, was supposed to have the atmosphere of a comedic roast, and Obama did mention the economic crisis. I think you’re reading too much into it. . .I actually thought they were both very funny.
Not saying that they should have,I know there is a time and place for everything, but it was just so fake to me…just my opinion
I know, Redd, I know. . .
*sigh*
@Sydney
No one discusses the impact of the Federal Reserve on our country…most people think the Federal Reserve is apart of our government, they are not. They are a crooked cartel of bankers.
History repeats itself…Look around you, economist are saying that we are in the most economic turmoil since the Great Depression. Risky loans and greedy bankers are the blame. (But they still offer the same *****in loans that got us into this mess in the first place) Little does the public know the Great Depression of 1913 was brought on by banks offering “marginal loans” (don’t feel like explaining, look it up). Again history repeats itself. The Great Depression of 1913 was no accident….the economy was manipulated to bring about The Fed….President of the United States at the time Woodrow Wilson realized he had *****ed up after he had allowed legislation to p***** of the Central Bank …
“If there are men in this country big enough to own the government of the United States, they are going to own it”.
Woodrow Wilson
“A little group of willful men, representing no opinion but their own, have rendered the great government of the United States helpless and contemptible”.
Woodrow Wilson
“The government, which was designed for the people, has got into the hands of the bosses and their employers, the special interests. An invisible empire has been set up above the forms of democracy”.
Woodrow Wilson
Please believe since the Fed runs our country’s money supply and they are above the law…If the Fed asked for all the money back that they lended, it would bring a country to its knees,
Permit me to issue and control the money of a nation, and I care not who makes its laws.
Mayer Amschel Rothschild
I just thinks its hilarious that the Rothchild dynasty still controls the nations money and owns the major American networks too…( but that’s another story)..
If Obama/McCain or any politician for that matter cared about the public and their money, then they would be an advocate for educating the consumer about banks. I know yall are tired of being raped by banks of their bull***** fees.
“It is well enough that people of the nation do not understand our banking and monetary system, for if they did, I believe there would be a revolution before tomorrow morning”.
Henry Ford
@Redd
I don’t understand the gist of your post — the economy has been the focus of the campaign (Obama’s at least), and that includes the Fed’s role.
I beg to differ Sydney…
All each candidate talks about is how much money the Fed will lend to bailout the economy…each dollar they lend to Wall Street, Airlines, Isurance Companies and banks are basically a lein place on an entity that can never be paid back…How in the world can you lend a financially strapped company like AIG $80 Bill at 11% interest and expect it to be paid back in two years…WTF?!?
People dont even understand how the banking industry works, or even the history of Fed..no one asks questions…’
Question: How does a bill such as the $700 Bill “bailout” go the Senate first and then the House, it is supposed to be the other way around….WAKE UP PEOPLE AND ASK QUESTIONS
McCain and Palin look, act and talk like amiable robots… both of them are the perfect combination to carry on the legacy of George W. Bush.
the fact that anyone is praising McCain for his performance in the third debate proves that he and Palin have lowered people’s expectations down to nothing (don’t forget, the VP debates were a tie!)
Codex Alimentarius:
Criminalizing Natural Health, Vitamins, and Herbs
The Codex Alimentarius is a threat to the freedom of people to choose natural healing and alternative medicine and nutrition. Ratified by the World Health Organization, and going into Law in the United States in 2009, the threat to health freedom has never been greater.
The Codex Alimentarius Commission was created in 1963 by the Food and Agricultural Organization and the World Health Organization, both official groups within the United Nations
The Food and Drug Administration says vitamins, supplements, herbs and other natural substances, including water when it is used to “treat” dehydration, should be cl*****ified as drugs, and opponents have only until April 30 to express their concern about the proposals under Docket No. 2006D-0480.
The government agency under the direction of Andrew C. von Eschenbach, who became commissioner in 2006, also has put its “Complementary and Alternative Medicine Products and Their Regulation by the Food and Drug Administration” on a fast track for implementation.
This move by the FDA is designed to once and for all destroy the 1994 DSHEA law that has made supplements ‘legal’ while eliminating nutritional supplements and natural medicine from the United States, ensuring monopoly profits and control by drug companies and the FDA.
Below is the first part of a series of talks by Dr. Rima Laibow MD, available on DVD from the Natural Solutions Foundation, an non-profit organization dedicated to educating people about how to stop Codex Alimentarius from taking away our right to freely choose nutritional health
FDA to allow food producers to irradiate spinach, lettuce
By Julie Schmit, USA TODAY
The Food and Drug Administration has approved use of irradiation on spinach and lettuce to kill dangerous bacteria, but companies may have a tough time selling the idea to consumers.
The FDA’s decision, effective today, adds iceberg lettuce and spinach to the short but growing list of foods approved for irradiation, including meat, poultry and some shellfish.
While a handful of companies have succeeded in selling irradiated ground beef since it hit the market in 2000, the idea has largely flopped. “Mom wouldn’t buy it,” says Craig Wilson, food-safety chief for Costco.
Like pasteurization of milk and pressure cooking of canned foods, treating food with ionizing radiation can kill bacteria such as E. coli. NASA gives irradiated food to astronauts, and the technology, which kills bacteria by altering its DNA, was first used in the U.S. in 1964 to extend the shelf life of white potatoes.
SALMONELLA WORRIES: Mexican peppers posing risk still being sold
Based on available data, the FDA said Thursday that irradiation done correctly and at approved levels would reduce or eliminate bacteria without altering the nutritional value of the greens or harming consumers.
Opponents say more testing is needed and that the FDA could better enhance food safety by policing foodmakers more. The consumer group Food & Water Watch called irradiation an “impractical, ineffective and very expensive gimmick” that may ruin flavor, texture and nutritional value.
The FDA’s ruling resulted from a petition filed in 2000 by a food-manufacturing *****ociation asking the FDA to approve irradiation for a broad array of foods. In 2007, the petition was amended so that the leafy greens could be ruled on first.
The year before, bagged spinach was *****ociated with an E. coli outbreak that killed five people, sickened more than 200, and pummeled bagged salad sales. The outbreak underscored the inherent risk of eating raw food that’s grown outside, where animals can spread bacteria.
The steady pace of food-safety scares since then — and growing consumer awareness of food-safety risks — will improve consumer acceptance of irradiated greens, says Doug Powell of the International Food Safety Network at Kansas State University.
“There’s been enough outbreaks … that the consumer demand should be there,” he says.
Processors of leafy greens have long considered irradiation promising, but they’ve struggled to find the right dose that kills bacteria while preserving freshness.
“Historically, the fragility of the (leafy greens) has been a quality issue,” Dole spokesman Bill Goldfield says. Based on Dole’s testing, “It looks to be very promising.”
The FDA will require irradiated produce to be labeled.
WHAT SOMEONE SAID REGARDING THE ABOVE ARTICLE ON THE FDA ALLOWING SPINACH AND LETTUCE TO BE IRRADIATED
“There would be no need for the irradiation if the USDA and Government stopped allowing the use of RAW SEWAGE as fertilizer for conventional produce. The USDA and FDA CREATED have CREATED the Ecoli and Salmonella problems themselves and are trying to fix it by “sterilizing” the food industry, which will have m*****ive health implications. If you think the health of America is bad NOW, it would get incredibly worse if this is done.
Of course, the FDA says the irradiated food isn’t altered by the radiation. This statement is an insult to the intelligence of anyone with a pulse. Why? Because if the radiation doesn’t alter anything, then how can it kill E.Coli and Salmonella?
The whole point of the radiation is to kill living organisms. And it works by causing fatal damage to the tissues and DNA of those microorganisms. So guess what it does to the plants? Since RADIATION isn’t SELECTIVE, it also irradiates the plant fibers and tissues, causing DNA damage and the destruction of enzymes and phytochemicals.
Amazingly, the FDA claims this does not count as “altering” the food because these changes aren’t “visible”.
If it weren’t such a nutritional atrocity, it would be downright hilarious. DNA changes are not visible to the human eye, but they can result in serious health consequences. Just ask anyone born with two Y chromosomes.
Eat up, guinea pigs!
Of course, the radiation pushers will claim that *****ody really knows whether irradiating the food kills just 1% of the phytochemicals or 99% (or something in between). And they don’t know what the long-term effect is on human health, either. This is exactly my point: The irradiation of fresh produce is a dangerous experiment, and we’ve all been involuntarily recruited as guinea pigs.
I will be curious to see a serious scientific inquiry into the nutritional damage caused to fresh produce by irradiation. I also find it simply astonishing that this decision by the FDA has been made in the absence of such scientific studies. Much like it does with the pharmaceutical industry, the FDA prefers to poison the people first, and then figure out later just how much damage might have been caused.
I say when you’re dealing with the food supply, you should err on the side of caution. We are talking about the health of the nation here. This is not a small matter. It should be treated with extreme caution, skepticism and scientific scrutiny. Instead, it is being addressed with a gung-ho attitude framed in mind games and enforced ignorance.
In other words, rather than figuring out whether food irradiation is actually safe, the FDA would rather simply pretend it is.
Welcome to Make Believe Land, where all your food is now safe and nutritious, courtesy of the FDA!”
Obama got caught ON CAMERA saying some stupid chit about ‘profit distribution’, so of course the next logical step is to try to discredit and smear Joe the Plumber. I agree with whoever says the media and obamas supporters are going to cost him the election. By the way, I hope you all realize that by saying ‘whoever doesnt vote for obama is racist’ is making the most liberal, open minded white people very very angry and defensive, which is extremely counter productive for ALL MINORITIES….. I’m already gearing up for the ‘racism’, voter fraud accusations and all other excuses trying to justify losing a gift wrapped presidency.
get the facts on ALL candidates! watch CNN and Fox News, BBC and local news. Read Dummys! The only ‘facts’ most of yall know is Obama is half black… and, somehow, white people are racist?… Poor Joe the plumber, the guy asks a question that catches the ‘messiah’ in a major ***** up and his whole life is now being investigated for any mistake he ever made…. I heard he defaulted on a school loan back in college in 1983, took a ***** in the woods during the OJ Simpson trial and even hung a black tire to his tree down south, racist *****in *****hole!! i pray to never ask an educated question to a presidential candidate who isnt smart enough to look around for cameras who might catch him in a moment of truth that sinks his campaign…..
educated mexican? that’s an oxymoron if i’ve eva heard one. ***** outta here.
Joe the plummber wants his 15 minues of fame, lol…
Joe the plumber, DOESN’T even have a license to do business in plumbing..What a frickin loser!….
Which part of Joe’s question was unfair? Obama was the one who kept on talking while Joe simply listened. Maybe Joe did not seem awestruck enough in Obama’s presence.
School these fools Educated Mexican!! When they see the Messiah can’t walk on water, they will finally recognize. I got your back Hermano!
Ok. I know that I made fun of John McCain. That was wrong. I am able to articulate my disagreement with his policies without name calling. I think If I can do it, everyone else can.
You, educated Mexican are out of line for calling people dummys. People are entitled to vote for whoeer they want. If you are so educated, then there’s no need to be cr*****.
how u gon have da nerve to challenge sumbody wen u aint got yo sh*t togetha????? man if u dont sit yo broke @$$ down sumwhere tryina start up sum bullsh*t….
@Black.Woman
even doh im guilty, u make a very good point.
The race for President is now closer than ever before because of him. It does not matter his status. He proved Obama’s plan will not work. Here is why. The rich will hide their money and not be able to tax it. They will get richer and the poor poorer. The middle cl***** will pay for this in the long run. We get screwed once again.