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Actually, cleopatra was GREEK, not egyptian. The real inaccuracy is in portraying her as beautiful and glamorous, when statues of her (and coins bearing her likeness) made during her lifetime prove otherwise.

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I don’t care. Egyptians nowadays are nothing but light skinned indians.

Cleopatra was NOT Egyptian..she was Greek if you people would do some research before you go talking about how white actresses are taking jobs away from black actresses you would know that. Besides which black actress is qualified for that role..i cant think of any..and Halle Berry is the whitest black actress of all time so she doesnt count.

As a matter of fact I went to high school with Egyptian girls that look like Angelina.

I certainly hope no one is surprised by this. It’s HOLLYWOOD, after all… They rewrite history all the time!

(But in fairness, she DESERVED that role as Marianne Pearl – the resemblance was uncanny.)

cleopatra was of color – why can’t halle barry play the roll?

THANK YOU!

Where did the idea that Cleo was of sub-saharan African decent come from anyway?

The previous comments are correct. She was Greek — a Ptolemy — and not particularly attractive (at least not by present-day standards of beauty). Unlike the other Ptolemies, she did embrace some of the beliefs of the Egyptian people, which made her a fairly popular leader. I wish Western culture would get over this broad. Hatshepsut was far more interesting a historical figure.

What is wrong with this website? Cleopatra was a part of the Ptolemaic line, which means Greek, not African. Get your facts straight before you start an inflammatory thread!

Sorry Tulip! I meant to co-sign your comment!

@ Tulip… Actually Cleopatra had a Greek father and an Egyptian mother… So Halle Berry IS the right color – just not ugly enough.

Actually Thandie Newton would have made a better choice for the role of Marianne Pearl, but like you said it is HOLLYWOOD we’re talking about, and Angelina Jolie= $$$$$

That being said, I do think Jolie will do a great job playing Cleopatra. Won’t be seeing it though.

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@ robbie, because she’s playing Aretha Franklin. *blank stare*

Cleopatra was Greek so I dont know why everyone is so in an uproar about her playing a woman of color…

It’s true that Cleopatra’s father roots are Greek but they lived in Egypt for 100′s of years with the people of color in Ancient Egypt. New discovery of Cleopatra sister burial study of the remains and reconstruction show she was mixed with African of color and other race. Even now when someone is mixed with black they society considers them black.

NO!

Amen on that one ! we have alot of black women out here that could have played that part!!!

No Idris Elba played in Thor, he did not play the character of Thor. Idris said that he was insecure being the only dark skinned person in the film. Idris is like the typical negro man insecure about his blackness and kiss white ppls azz.

Usian bolt said he wanted jason statham ( a white british male)to play him in a film. So i don see the problem

Jamaica won the Miss World title twice and both times it was white women that won the crown. Jamaica love having white ppl represent them.

Black people don’t know Cleopatra and the Ptolemy family were Greek and not Egyptian (African). Cleo was unattractive. She was the LAST pharaoh of Ancient Egypt until Rome (Augustus Caesar) rule in 30 BCE. Ancient Egyptian civilization is is 10,000 years old. There were many Native Egyptian (black) women pharaohs over the years. Cleo was LAST and WHITE.

noble, i forgot you are right – halle got time to play both.

Forget about Hollywood, I mean FOLLYWOOD. As a young black American I an a old school black at heart and find more inspiration from the past from people like Josephine Baker,Dorthy Dandridge (Halle Berry got me started on her I love Mrs Halle. Bill Withers ECT. Every time Black Americans try to make our culture worth something we get called “Racist” and can’t have shyt with out others complaining but they get everything though. This country gets on my nerves sometimes but I love my people, it’s just so hard to express your self as a black person with out getting Hades. We can’t have shyt but the ghettos full of trash. Will we ever be allowed to be ourselves in this country again? Who cares about Hollywood. We need to start doing us again not whats popular and what sells to mainstream whites.

Sorry , but you are halfway correct. Cleopatra was from the Ptolemy line. That made her Greek and African.When research was done on her sister’s remains, that fact was established.Like America, Egypt has been conquered by multiple nations / races . The we speak of , ( who built the pyramids ) were forced south long ago.The historically correct image of Cleopatra would be an unattractive woman with a mulatto – like appearance.

ITA! And don’t forget alittle on heavy side. So, I say give that role to white actress.

Cleopatra was not a “woman of color” so the entire premise of the post is all wrong.

Cleopatra was the daughter of Ptolemy XII, who was of Macedonian decent. The people of the Macedonian or area which her family descended from were of of a bronzed skin tone which Elizabeth Taylor, nor Angelina Jolie match (being that the Ptolemaic kingdom of Egypt ruled this area for over 300 years). Just because she was Greek has nothing to do with her skin tone. Ptolemy XII’s(pronounced TOE-LE-MEE) family resided in this area for over 300 years.

Its not about color. Its about who is the best actress.

I agree color wise Thandie Newton may have made a better match, but Angelina Jolie played the hell out of the role as Marianne Pearl.

@youngCosby

“bronzed skin tone” ??? You mean sun tanned ? Or you mean olive complexion ?Both are still white, doesnt matter how you say it. Macedonia is modern day Greece/Yugoslavia depending on who you ask. Both those are white countries, just like Italy, Spain France etc

Hell no!

bych shut up with your uncle tom as. There are just as many black actors or actress as whites dumb as!

Cleopatra VII’s half-sister, Arsinoe, had a black African mother. Cleo’s mother is unknown but believed to be her aunt — Cleo V. Arsinoe was not named Cleopatra because her mother was not a Cleopatra. Arsinoe and Cleopatra VII did not have the same mother. Cleo turned on her half-sister had her killed in Rome. Bet Arsinoe was very pretty by contract because she was part African and European. Cleo was jealous, unattractive, and WHITE.

Oh, but Cleopatra VII was born in Egypt. The Ptolemy’s were given Egypt by Alexander the Great of Greece. They refused to speak Egyptian. They only spoke Greek. The Rosetta Stone (an official gov’t document for Ptolemy V) included Ancient Egyptian heiroglyph, demotic, and Ancient Greek.

Who the fu** are u speakin for yourself dumb as!!! I would put any black actor over johnny depp (who the f**k is he anyway). There are plenty of talented black actors and actress, but hollyweird want u to think that there is not. Most of the white actors and actress are corny anyway, they are built up to think there are better than the black ones when in truth they are not dumb as and I see u are thinking the same thing!!!It is more about racism than money, because if it was just about money, then ALL the roles white people have played would have made big money and they haven’t. White people are failures in films just as much. Stop being brainwashed dumb as. They want u to think it is always about money stupid!!!

Words taken right out of my mouth! Thank you!

First of all who says Angelina is fine she is a ugly, bytch and her acting is so so. I know plenty of black fine as women who looks better than her and can act better than her. That is hollyweired who trys to keep building up the whites more so than the blacks and we keep lettin it happen, because we keep supporting white people more so than black people.

Halle could play that role, but enough of Halle because she is not the only pretty black actress out there, there are thousands more. So let another black actress get a chance!!!

I WONDER DECADES FROM NOW WILL HISTORY ARGUE THIS SAME THING OVER OBAMA, MOIVES AND STORIES OF HIM WILL BE MADE AND PEOPLE ARGURING OVER HIS SKIN COLOE; NOT HIS ACCOMPLISHMENTS TOWARDS HISTORY.

I always liked the T.V. show Kung Fu. But after I found out that they picked David Carradine over Bruce Lee, I wondered how much better it would have been with Bruce Lee. Hollywood has a history of white people playing Asian characters. I don’t think that it has happened as often with black people.

I don’t think Cleopatra is a good example of this. Having Gabrielle Union play Cleopatra would be just as inaccurate. Cleopatra was considered beautiful in her day, but would be considered unattractive today, her long nose was considered an attractive feature. If she was portrayed in a physically accurate way, modern audiences would have a hard time believing that people thought she was beautiful. One thing that ancient Greeks and Egyptians have on us is that I don’t think they were as hung up on racial characteristics as we are today.

Angelina playing that part really ticked me off! I swear it is a conspiracy to only show black women in a negative light! I think they had her play that part on purpose…should have been a bw playing that part!

egyptiams do not consider themselves black/NUBIAN so her playing her would seem okay to them Not all people are black we like to claim everything CRAZY

Olive skin is NOT white! Olives have two colors. Green and Black. Since I’ve never seen or heard of green martians, when ancient texts say olive skin, they’re saying BLACK, and probably darker black.

Nevertheless, Cleo was not olive skin, but a macedonian

cleopatra was biracial Greek and black so yeah learn your history before making ignorant comments

Anyways Cleo was busted and kind of an horrible person it’s all about Nefertiti anyways

I honestly think Zoe Saldana could play the role but angelina will do just fine. She blends well.

Well some historians claim that Cleopatra was actually greek, yeah they do try don’t they. That’s probably why the spinxs nose is missing, but we know the real deal.

Cleo was greek actually. Im black and i personally wont be offended. But if they’re aren’t any qualified black actresses then a white person will have to do. And i mean qualified not just a black actress

No, wht actresses should not play people of color..

That’s what the actors/actresses of color, do..ACT!

More opportunities stolen from people of color..And I do like Angelina, but I don’t agree with, at all..

@ robbie, when I said Halle couldn’t play Cleo because she’s too busy playing Aretha *blank stare* the blank stare wasn’t at you. That big old blankest of stares was at Miss Aretha Franklin who thought Halle B would be the perfect candidate to play her. Halle aint playing that woman. Aretha was pretty and all in her career, but come on now, Retha child. Think of somebody who actually looks like you.

Angie is a beautiful witch she can play anybody. Facts are facts!!!

FIRST OF ALL CLEOPATRA IS AFRICAN BECAUSE EGYPT IS IN AFRICA FOR YOU IDIOTS WHO ARE IGNORANT. SECOND MY BEST FRIEND IN COLLEGE IS FROM EGYPT AND HER SKIN IS DARK BROOWN BUT SHE HAS LONG STRAIGHT HAIR. SHE SAID EGYPTS COME IN MANY SHADES JUST LIKE BLACK PEOPLE ALL OVER THE WORLD. WHITE PEOPLE WANT TO MAKE THEMSELVES FEEL BETTER BYSAYING SHE IS GREEK.

When GUYS ASK MY FRIENS IS SHE MIXED SHE SAYS NO SHE IS AFRICAN BORN IN EGYPT. SHE IS VERY EXOTIC LOOKING THE FELLAS CONSTANTLY HOLLERING AT HER. SHE IDENTIFIES AS EGYPTIAN OR AFRICAN. IT DOES NOT MATTER IF SHE LIGHT OR DARK SHE IS STILL AFRICAN AND CLEOPATRA SHOULD BE REPRESENTED BY AN AFRICAN WOMAN. THERE ARE MANY BEAUTIFUL EGYPTIAN ACTRESSES OR OTHER WOMEN OF COLOR IN DIFFERENT PARTS OF AFRICA THAT COULD PLAY THIS PART. AMERICAS STANDARD OF WHITE BEAUTY IS UGLY. THIS WILL BE THE SECOND BLACK WOMAN THAT ANGELINA WILL PORTAY ON FILM.

If this is the most pressing dilemma Negroes have on what color Cleopatra was….lol…She definitely wasn’t Boricua.

Thanks, I guess I mistook what part he was playing, anyway he’s still being cast in a “white role” so to speak, which was my point. Why does skin colour have to matter?? If you can do an good job acting the part what the hell does melanin have to do with it??

Issue for me is why can’t find an egyptian actresss you know they actresses? Nobody saying it should be a black actress but technically Egypty is on the continent of Africa,doesn’t matter how you cut it if they lived here they would be called African American. When you think of Egypt history it over rides what the romans built, really amazing powerful history so let some eypt woman have that right.Let a African actress that fits her I.d. give it a try,its like Queen Elizabeth being played by Queen Latifah I mean white europeans would never let that happen.

So the real Cleopatra was ugly? o.O. I never knew that..

No. Nothing against Angelina Jolie, but you can give that job to someone who actually fits the description. Asians should portray Asians, Europeans should portray Europeans, Africans should portray Africans, Indians should portray Indians. Its really simple.

This is because they constantly confuse her with Nefertiti…

There’s always makeup!!!

Why not let Tyler Perry play Cleopatra? He likes dressing up and ninjas will flock to the theatres to see it.

On another note, can we stop acting like Halle Berry is the only option when a black actress is needed? Thandie Newton & Kerry Washington are far better actresses.

no they should not. there are plenty of qualified black actresses.

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she was greek. GREEK.

There’s no historical proof that Cleopatra was Black. She’s closer to the first airplane than the first pyramid being built. I think she was descendant of the whites who took over Egypt and NOT a black woman.

I don’t understand it. Why have Caucasian actors/actress portraying African/African Americans;just hire a African/African American actor/actress. It’s just that simple.

If the issue is having an actress of African decent play Cleopatra then problem solved…Charize Theron. She’s certified African. This thread is dumb. Cleopatra was of Macedonian decent and was the daughter if Ptolemy who was believed to be the brother of Alexander The Great. And by the way, Egypt was not given to Ptolemy because Alexander died suddenly without naming a successor. Ptolemy stole Alexander’s body so whoever had possession of the body controlled Egypt. This is how Cleopatra became pharaoh after she murdered her siblings.

Read Roman historical tomes and you will see that when she went to Rome they would not accept this dark savage.
Mark Antony and Julius Caesar were were told they could not be Emperor or even Senators with her on their arm.

Do you think they wouldn’t accept her because she was White?

cleopatra wasn’t black and she was a hell of a lot uglier than angelina jolie.

please Google Cleopatra she is far from Egyptian, and further more i don’t care who plays her cause ain’t nobody cutting me a check! thank you!

If she’s a good enough actress and can actually pull it off, I don’t see a problem with it. I know roles are few and far between for black actresses, but the entertainment business is about nothing more than who’s going to make the most $$$$$$ for them. The end.

The only color Hollywood cares about is GREEN. We’re quick to holla racism when most of the time it’s about the almighty dollar. Green is the only color some people seem to see.

You do know Cleopatra was Macedonian?

Cleopatra was “clearly and undeniably” Greek. If you actually knew anything about Egyptian history then you’d know this. I guess you could consider that a “woman of color” if that color is anything other than peach. Move on.

Give a black woman a big check!!!!! The industry only wants to hire their own kind.
So sickening to see a rich black person hiring whites. We are the only race that don’t stick together.

Don’t matter which caucazoid they get to play Cleo…Angela Bas sett will always be the finest BLACK QUEEN, whether she is Asiatic, Egyption, African or Ethiopian. Beauty is Beauty and she should be the Standard for ALL COLORS.

I love me some History Channel…and I second that. Waaay more interesting!

Greek is not “of color”

cleo was greek-her father conquered egypt -he came from greece) however they did take on egyptian customs. And they have found an ancient coin that they are almost positive is of cleopatra- she looks like a greek women back then- and nah she wasnt beautiful it was her personality andknowledge – just do a little reserch of her and ull find this all out!!!

You people need to search the web. Cleopatra had coins made of her likeness. It is a profile pic and believe me she is definetly not “of color” Not with tha nose.

Well my father told me over the weekend that the bible does mention fair skinned women. My dad said that angels looked down from heaven and saw fair skinned damsels and the angels put on flesh and posed as man to be with the fair skinned women.

I THINK PPL FAVOR FAIR SKINNED WOMEN. MY DAD SAID ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE IT HAS TO BE THAT WAY. MY DAD SAID DURING BIBLICAL TIMES THE ANGELS LOOKED DOWN FROM HEAVEN AND SAW THE FAIR SKINNED WOMEN AND THE ANGELS WERE SO CAPTIVATED BY THE DAMSELS BEAUTY THEY PUT ON FLESH AND POSED AS MEN TO BE WITH THESE FAIR SKINNED WOMEN. IT WAS MEANT TO BE.

EVERY MAN LOVES FAIR SKINNED WOMEN. WHITE MEN, BLACK MEN, THE LATINOS, ASIANS. JUST ABOUT EVERYBODY.

that’s the problem with black ppl like you, will accept any ole bullshyt. its not a matter of it not being any qualified black actresses, which it is. how f’cking stupid is that statement. what it is is a matter of hollywood being hollywood; which is a bunch of racist a$$ muthaf’ckas that don’t want to recognize the truth aboyt shyt. but you to ignorant to know that. you probably one of the silly a$$ folks that think racism is gone in this country.

and @Juliemango, bytch what does her looks have to do with anything?

Say what you want fact is no one knows her race for alot of eyptologist believed she was mixed I do to.Doesn’t matter Nerfetedi was way more interesting

Actually it’s funny how history rewrites things. Cleopatra was actually quite ugly. Not a great beauty at all.

I hope that one day we will realize that we are NOT black (meaning death), negros (four-legged animal), colored (to be stained), nor are we African-Americans (descendants of Africans). We are Moors living in America, we are true American citizenships. I have yet to meet a African-Italian, African-Japenese. WE as a nation must first realize our nationality! WE are not the minority Europeans are the minority! If you look at other nationalities their skin tone is not WHITE!

No offense but a beautiful woman is a beautiful woman no matter what her complexion, get a grip. If you think for 2 seconds White, Hispanic, and every nationality in between don’t look at black women dark or light skined your are naive to say the least.

Luke I’m not saying black women aren’t attractive I’m simply explaining why white women are considered the epitome of beauty. I’ve seen black women that were prettier than fair skinned asian and fair skinned latino women.

There is more than one part of Macedonia, which borders different areas in that region. So, maybe everybody should learn that fact. Cleopatra was a mix of many races, and yes she did have a bi-racial mother, and we all know that anything that mixes with black is, (come on everybody together…BLACK). No, she was not beautiful nor the best ruler of Egypt. She sold it out to Romans. There were undisputed African Queens that ruled with a stronger, more effective hand than Cleopatra. Take nothing away from the woman because she was indeed a cunning force to be reckoned with. And like Jesus, we won’t really know what ethnicity some of these people were until we die and meet our maker. Throughout all of time white people have claimed everything for their own i.e. America! Believe half of what you see and none of what you hear. They have made many great Egyptians white, which is why so many of the noses are broken off and lips scratched out of paintings, bust, and even the Sphinx. Then they made up stories about shame and disgrace being the reason. Black people, (for some reason), are the most hated race on this globe, period. So let it go! Ok white people you all win your better than everybody…lol

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i dont give a damn what yaw think.. black people are not box office hits. white folks just won’t buy the tickets,this is why they got too go w/ angelia jo. black folks u just dont get it. your in fu–ing denial.

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stickin with the question,white thespians should play blacks if it becomes a 2 way street. where is the balance?

two words: fuk no.

lol stupid article

Cleopatra was white as bleach, girl descended from a line of Macedonian kings that took over Egypt when Alexander the Great conquered the country in the 4th century BC.

Nope

They said she was a light skin Greek woman. (??)

That fits A.Jolie skin tone I guess, idk she can’t act anymore tho.

All these arguments about who’s right, who’s wrong, who’s Black, who’s Greek reminds me of Highlander. There can only be one….

Funny how now that it’s been discovered that Cleopatra wasn’t all that attractive, black folk are trying to distance ourselves away from her. When we thought she was the most beautiful woman in the world, we cried about her being african and think Halle Berry should be the only one to play her. Now all of a sudden we’re throwing her under the bus as an ugly greek woman. Very shallow.

JEALOUSY, JEALOUSY. Spike Lee was Right: White people are jealous of black people. White people are “small” in every way. White men are lacking in the bedroom on every level (and yes I am speaking on the fact that black men are blessed way more than white men in size and everything else). White women run to plastic surgeons to stuff fake breasts in their bodies, along with changing about everything else about their bodies. They were born with what is called “nothing bodies”, but they flaunt their “new” fake bodies all over magazine covers (showing their fake breasts-it’s disgraceful!) White people have claimed history from all parts of the world that was never part of their culture-especially Africa. They have no “true” history. All cultures originated from people of color-and educated white people know this. Black people are the most talented people on Earth. White people are “God’s Lost Child.” They steal and lie all the time-especially about history. They will NEVER admit how truly beautiful Black people are because it will force them to question where they REALLY came from!!!

They should cast more black women to play these type of roles regardless….
Always need variety…Their are some great black actress .
That have no problem playing that role…Hollywood is the same old crap shoot they have been for years…

Actresses of Greek descent-

Jennifer Aniston
Tina Fey
Maria Menounos

None of them look black to me. . .

if white hollywood would give black women some jobs u would know more then just hally berry, pick up a black mag sometime u would know and see them, and they can act better then most of your white so-called stars, learn something new

lol