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First and only I guess. But anyway we should be ashamed of ourselves.

Funny how homosexuals find fault with those who oppose of their lifestyle.

I think it’s absolutely insane to compare the struggle that African Americans had in this country with those of the gay “community”. No one is hanging gay people from trees or forcing them against buildings with high powered water. We did not choose any of this. Gay people chose this lifestyle. Plus, you can be a “down low” gay person, you cant hide being black.

It doesn’t matter who’s fault it is. You would think after us blacks went through a civil rights struggle like we did that we wouldn’t want to put anyone else through it. I guess not though. Love is beautiful regardless of whom has it with whom. Don’t discriminate.

agreed coma. ignorant ass people.

it’s the madea/church circuit. and we all know their homosexual population is at least equal to the genl populations.

I have nothing agains gay people, but i do believe that a man and a woman should be together, its natural…

i voted no on prop 8…i feel as long as they aren’t a threat to me and what i’m trying to accomplish then go for it. let them be who they want to be…if that’s how they want to live then let them

homosexuality is NOT a choice just as race is not. Do you honestly think people would CHOOSE to be treated this way? And while gays may not have been lynched or hanged, they were targeted during the holocaust and are the result of numerous hate crimes today. Similarly, the same passages in the Bible that were used to justify slavery are now used against homosexuals. Wake up people! Civil rights are for ALL!

I believe within those Black and Latina communities, there was also a generational divide such that my age group (under 30s) voted No, because we see it as being discriminatory and unfair, but our parents voted Yes, as result of their traditional (religious-tinged) beliefs…

Good point, coma. If gay people want to marry then they should have that right. No one should be in charge of their love life both them. We had a similar vote in Florida that did not pass because of the same thing.

I do not believe that you can compare being gay to being black… It actually pisses me off when people do… I am not one to judge because thats not my job, but I do feel like it is an insulting comparison…

why was this ish even on the ballot in the first place? isn’t this like asking people who like hiphop to vote on whether country music should exist? just treat everybody equally, ok? we are really losing our grip when we have to VOTE on whether we recognise somebody else’s rights! but i do have to admit i agree with the guy in the article who said that minorities really shouldn’t be turning against other minorities. i’m like wanda sykes on this one, “if you ain’t gay, then don’t marry one!” And ladies, gays are not competition! These other hoes are!

Being born a certain colour and choosing who you want to bang are two different things. I grow weary of people that compare the two.

Now while I say that, I feel this way: I wouldn’t vote to keep two adults from doing anything besides murder or harm to another person. I do not believe in same-sex relationships for myself. If two men or two women find love with each other that’s fine. What isn’t fine is putting something like this up for the vote, having the majority vote against it and then attacking coloured people for their personal beliefs. Blacks only make up 12% of the american population. Their vote ain’t the vote keeping you from getting married. The MAJORITY is keeping you from getting married. People that look like YOU.

It’s easy to go pointing fingers at people that you feel owe you something, isn’t it? I watch the gays and see them discriminate and say hateful things about people of colour, keep even gay people of colour down and then try to blame these same people if they don’t get their way. Stop being spoiled children and litigate. Go to city hall and fight for what you feel is your right to marry. Don’t turn it into finger pointing and pulling others down. I know you think that if the blacks get a president that YOU should be able to marry. For goodness sakes it isn’t like you’re a minority. You deserve something, right?

and phlegm…not all latinos are mexican. Damn dude!

nappy,

You also give a good point. Unfortanely, we do not live in a country that thinks that way.

This topic makes me soo sad…. I just feel that when people vote to ban gay marriage b/c of their on personal beliefs, we are taking a step back in time. Gays are people too, their sexual prefrence might differ from yours but they are human beings with feelings, and I just think it is soooo wrong to ban them for getting married, I, as an African American feel ashamed that there are other Africans Americans who are showing hatred towards others b/c of their sexual prefresnce.

take one more look at Dr. Martin Luther kings speech and listen closely to how he says “ALL PEOPLE” no matter color or creed.

Don’t be ignorant. Except people for who they are, and if you don’t, don’t ever expect to be treated equally your self.

last time i checked we all have a right to our own opinion. not everyone voted for the rights of African-Americans. the people voted fairly. if u dont want people’s input then dont ask the people. not everyone is gay and not everyone agrees with gay marriage. get over it. america is a country that differs over opinion all the time. We differed over President elect Obama and he is the obvious choice to me. but not always to other people.

k….first off being black is something you are born with being gay is a lifestyle you can tell when someone is black you cant tell if someone is gay unless they tell you or they are flamboyant about it…gay ppl dont come after latinos and black ppl we have very religious upbringings that conflict with they gay life styles…..sorry

i’ve been coming to this site for a long time now. and i have to say that i was thoroughly pissed when i came on last week and saw an ad for ‘yes on 8.’ obama supports the gay community and always has. this prop was about eliminating rights that gay people already had in california- the fundamental right to marry. obama and biden both said that this prop was a terrible and divisive thing and that people should’ve vote ‘no on 8.’

i’m not even going to get into the whole black vs. gay thing. because honestly, we are both in a minority status. obama being elected was a great thing for this country. and for california to overwhelmingly vote for obama and not for marriage equality, is terrible. but blaming black and latino’s is not the only way of ‘dealing’ with this. the people who developed this proposition are first and foremost at fault. but let this be a lesson. it took people of all racial and sexual identities to elect obama our next president. and it will take people of all racial, and sexual identities; to enable marriage equality.

@jer wrote, “i’m not even going to get into the whole black vs. gay thing. because honestly, we are both in a minority status.”

I guess you’re one of those people who also think that latino issues and black issues are equivalent, as well. they’re not. there’s a big difference between black and gay issues.

would you say that women’s issues and gay issues are equivalent to one another?

or even that transgendered issues are equivalent to gay issues are equivalent to women’s issues are equivalent to black issues are equivalent to jewish issues are equivalent to amerindian issues?

I hope not.

I actually voted against Prop 8 because if you live in the State of California they were talking about if it passed then they would be teaching young children about princes marrying princes and so on. I have a very bright 6 year old son and I am sorry I do not want him going to school learning that. That was a BIG deal for myself as well as people that I know. I really don’t care about gays marrying, but don’t teach that to my child!!

It’s a sad day when discrimination is voted into the constitution in CA and in FL. When the divorce rate ranges from 41-50% in the US for 1st time hetero couples, then it not the gay lifestyle (as some of you want to call it) that is the problem.

Also being gay is NOT a choice. It might not be “normal” for reproduction purposes, but it definitely wasn’t a choice. Why would I choose to be gay when there is so much hate from people who are not?

What’s with all the blaming anyways…? How taking this back to the Supreme Court who already overturned this decision once..?

“I actually voted against Prop 8 because if you live in the State of California they were talking about if it passed then they would be teaching young children about princes marrying princes and so on. I have a very bright 6 year old son and I am sorry I do not want him going to school learning that. That was a BIG deal for myself as well as people that I know. I really don’t care about gays marrying, but don’t teach that to my child!!”

Please explain to me why allowing gay couples to marry would lead to teachers teaching about alternative lifestyle?

“What’s with all the blaming anyways…? How taking this back to the Supreme Court who already overturned this decision once..?”

Don’t worry. That’s already being planned by the ACLU. I hope they overturn it again.

I’m black and even I think it’s wrong for them 2 get married but I still would have supported their rights………….I feel sad about that because all have a right to choose whom they love….Hang in their gays……….

This is a tough one..

but really gay folks just have to wait.

you can’t just hitch your cause to the racial minority wagon. your sexual minority status challenges the status quo in different ways and your movement is still in its infancy. The public psyche needs time to adjust and your movement has yet to blossom. More power to them.

It’s a valid civil rights issue, but it has its own lane and the gay community needs to keep the latino/black american struggle out they mouths (no homo) <<< sorry i had to

HOMOSEXUALITY IS NOT A CHOICE!!! It is INCREDIBLY IGNORANT for people to still think that people actually actively “choose” to be gay. Who would ever prefer to endure the stigma, the insults, the discrimination, the prejudices? (for instance, the sh*t some of you are posting) Who would choose a lifestyle where they could not legally marry the person they love or have children with that person naturally?

And for people who say “you can hide being gay,” why should they? It is a part of who they are. They should not have to lie about one of the most important parts of who they are as a person.

Almost every gay man or woman will tell you that they have known they were gay since they were a little kid- you think they “make this choice” at age 4 and then stick with it for the rest of their life?? The same way YOU realized you’re straight is the same way THEY realized they’re gay.

I agree that you can’t compare the struggles of blacks and gays. But the fact that such ignorance is still so widespread and blindly believed is sickening. Whatever you feel about gay marriage or your own sexual preferences, don’t ASSUME you know anything about being gay if you aren’t.

i am not against it but what i am against is gay white people equating their struggle to being black get the hell out of here you can’t put blackness in the closet.

Check the bible….don’t get it twisted, the community of homosexuals will be damned, and therefore it is not anyone’s responsibility to accept it no matter how you flip it. Why do you think it’s called “coming out the closet” Because twenty so years ago it wasn’t an acceptable lifestyle, people were ashamed because they knew they were at fault. So just because we have celebrities black or white living the gay lifestyle doesn’t make it ok….and that’s whasup love it or hate it…God is Real.

“Check the bible….don’t get it twisted, the community of homosexuals will be damned,”

Yeah, it also say “till death do us part” and no sex before marriage. But how many people follow that. I bet you will be “damned” too.

i think prop 8 is bigoted and discriminatory. injustice anywhere is truly a threat to justice everywhere. one would think folks would embrace this self evident truth at some point. i hope that this wrong gets reversed sooner than later. again.

considering that at the protest outside of the mormon church (a church which didn’t believe black folks HUMAN not too long ago) in west hollywood, there were reports of (inexcusable/unacceptable) racial slurs being hurled by the rightfully angry (in my opinion—injustice will do that to you:-) gay people, i would say folks still have a lot to learn all the way around. we still refuse to respect each others differences.

a sidenote expressed with all due respect:

i find it appalling that a person would refer to themselves as a “nappy headed ho” and other women as “hoes”. in the interest of self respect may i suggest you re-evaluate that? there is nothing wrong with being nappy headed in my opinion. i am happily and gloriously just that. however, “ho” as i understand the term is very derogatory. why take a unique to black women trait and attach such a derogatory term to it? our nappy, dna resembling coiled, exotic crowns distinguishes us from all other women on this earth. our “proof” should be afforded much greater respect. in doing so, i think more black women and girls will accept themselves as they are created; realizing that there is nothing that needs to be “fixed”, altered, or changed. additionally, in order to command respect one must possess self respect.

it is merely a suggestion and at the end of the day, i do understand that life is about choices.

i pray you receive my suggestion to respect yourself and by extension, others, in the spirit of love and respect with which it was written.

self love~self acceptance~self respect

blessings all,

focusedpurpose

Actually Emily do you own a t.v? If you do then you would have seen how many times that was said, they said I believe it was up North (Cal) that they had actually began teaching (alternate lifestyles) to young children. Believe I couldn’t make this up. That had a very negative effect for me, I didn’t see a rebuttal to this either!!

Charles I really hope you get what you want because personally I am a fighter and I fight hard for what I believe in so good for you and ACLU. But please use that energy for good, something other than blaming races. I don’t recall anyplace on the ballots where they asked for race, so how is it that L.A. Times knows exactly how many blacks and so on voted no on Prop 8?

lex diamonz…word!

that’s like how white folks love to point out….and this is how this story WILL BE WRITTEN in the end, folks…the fact that “Obama’s not even black he’s half white”- we cannot deny that a part of that brother’s success was white folks feeling like they could have a piece of it, have a piece of the history without the struggle.

thats what some in the gay community seem to be doing, tacking the history of racial struggle to their own struggle and thinking that gives them a bully pulpit automatically

Personally I feel we should all have the oppurtunity to love who we want. But I am curious to know what blacks and latinos voted on with trying to legalize prostitution. I bet you its a different story and all morality went out the door!!!

‘Actually Emily do you own a t.v? If you do then you would have seen how many times that was said, they said I believe it was up North (Cal) that they had actually began teaching (alternate lifestyles) to young children. Believe I couldn’t make this up. That had a very negative effect for me, I didn’t see a rebuttal to this either!!”

But that’s the teacher’s decision to teach that. Maybe it best to send a letter to the school board. 8 didn’t give teachers the right to teach it.

And why are people so quick to throw the Bible into everything?? I read the Bible and believe in God and Heaven and Hell but not everyone follows Christianity. Why is everyone so damned concerned about things that don’t affect them personally?? Ask yourself this question “How does it affect me personally?” If it doesn’t then don’t worry about it. You believe that homosexuality is against the Bible, then their time will come on Judgement Day. Stop worrying about other peoples salvation and get your own lives together.

@cocoabarbie….when you register to vote,you select an ethnicity. That’s how it’s tracked.

But that’s the teacher’s decision to teach that. Maybe it best to send a letter to the school board. 8 didn’t give teachers the right to teach it.

They did not advertise it that way. Honestly, I would have voted yes but that is what detered me. I feel I should be the one teaching my children about sexuality not the school. That was the one prop I was unsure on all the way…

It really makes me sick. You are totally fine to believe whatever the hell you want, but to impose your views on everyone else making it the law of the land is bigoted and discriminatory. The state of CA should not be taking peoples religious beliefs into consideration when it comes to their business because there is that separation of church and state thing, you may have heard about it. If I can get married without god involved then so should someone who is gay.

It is also your belief that gay people choose to be gay, but guess what? There are plenty of damn people that think being gay is not a choice, YET you want to hold your beliefs higher than someone elses and make them law. I think that’s being discriminated against. I may be wrong.

Don’t give me this sacred marriage BS as an argument because if you were really serious about making marriage sacred you would be mandating how straight people get married.

“They did not advertise it that way. Honestly, I would have voted yes but that is what detered me. I feel I should be the one teaching my children about sexuality not the school. That was the one prop I was unsure on all the way…”

This is off topic, but I think parents, esp in the black community tend to wait way too long before they talk about sex/sexuality and all that stuff.

That fat closeted racist perez hilton has to nerve to compare Martin Luther King’s struggle to the struggle of the gay community…he is even putting up pictures of MLK when referring to this P. 8 fiasco.

NO GAY MARRIAGE!

CIVIL UNIONS? DOMESTIC PARTNERSHIPS??? MAYBE.

BUT “MARRIAGE” IS BETWEEN ONE MAN & ONE WOMAN. PERIOD.

MARRIAGE IS NOT:

TWO MEN

TWO WOMEN

ONE MAN & TWO OR MORE WOMEN

ONE WOMAN & TWO OR MORE MEN

A LIVE PERSON & A DEAD PERSON

MEN & LITTLE BOYS OR GIRLS

A MAN & A SHEEP

A WOMAN & A VIBRATOR

ANY OTHER COOKY COMBINATION PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY TRIED TO PULL OFF!!!

JUST DO A QUICK SEARCH AND SEE WHAT CRAZY MESS “PEOPLE” HAVE TRIED TO PASS OFF AS “MARRIAGE”!

THERE IS A POINT WHERE HUMAN RIGHTS END AND COMMON SENSE BEGINS.

When I went to vote Tuesday I had a real hard decision to make on how to vote on Prop 8! I voted yes because I feel that it was the right thing to do1 I know that it is wrong to discriminate against people how are gay, but I followed what the word of God says, Romans 1:27- And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. So to me this is the word, and it will always be the word!

The younger generation will help fight for gay rights according with the voting breakdown.

AS YOU DID LEADING UP TO THE ELECTIONS….HERE ARE SOME EXIT POLLS: 72% of black women voted Yes. 51% of Latin men voted Yes, while 54% of Latin women voted No. The majority of voters (66%) ages 18-29 voted No, while the lion’s share (57%) of those age 65 and older voted Yes. Higher-educated voters who had completed college or post-graduate studies voted No, 54% and 64%, respectively. Voters who had a high school degree or some college under their belts voted Yes, 52% and 53%, respectively

“NO GAY MARRIAGE!

CIVIL UNIONS? DOMESTIC PARTNERSHIPS??? MAYBE.

BUT “MARRIAGE” IS BETWEEN ONE MAN & ONE WOMAN. PERIOD.

MARRIAGE IS NOT:”

My point was that they both Jim Crow and this Prop 8 debacle involve other groups infringing on the rights of them making this a civil rights/human rights issue.

And it does not change the fact that people have consistently used religion to defend their position. The Bible is also very explicit in the role of women (largely of women as property as that’s simply how it was for centuries when it came to marriage) and many other issues most people don’t even blink an eye at today. So I feel the comparison of slave owners using the Bible to justify the enslavement of blacks is apropos.

Re: They read the Bible and saw what they wanted to see/believe. The Bible can be a Rorschach test for many believers. Some read it and focus on feeding the hungry. Others push Prop 8.

Secondly, you are correct that the passing of the bill did not take away other rights gays in California have, but by saying they can’t get “married” continues to make the point that gays and lesbians are not like “us,” the so-called “normal people.”

This is a “separate, but equal” situation. The government has NO right to say who cannot get married when it comes to consenting adults. To say, you can have marriage, but you can’t call it marriage and it can’t be like the marriage others enjoy is wrong. There’s this prevailing attitude that if we call it marriage we can’t say “you’re different” anymore to gays. Marriage is so “wholesome” and ritualistic and mundane. Characteristics not assigned to gays. But you can have domestic partnerships, something like it.

It doesn’t have all the same protections as marriage, but … it’s something like it.

How is that fair? How is that acceptance? It’s a way to keep the opposition from complaining, letting them keep a thin wall between them and those different from them, but a wall IS a wall.

Like I wrote earlier, this proposition was really about fighting the continued normalization of homosexuality. That’s the issue and the real fear. Otherwise, why would they have bothered at all? The “it’s only semantics” argument cuts both ways. If it’s only semantics why do straight people care so much to define marriage as being between a man and a woman? Obviously semantics is huge and the word “marriage” means something bigger than simply “spouse.”

It’s all about one side thinking homosexuality is immoral and should be marginalized and another side thinking homosexuality is a normal part of human sexuality and should be accepted.

And once again, black people who are homosexual have to deal with racism and being gay. Black people need to stop talking about homosexuality as if it’s something white guys do on weekends. These laws affect OUR people too. So I don’t think there’s anything wrong with discussing the Civil Rights movement along side any discussion of other human rights battles. They’re living and fighting both.

Human rights are universal themes that go beyond race, gender and sexual orientation.

u know what would help? this is gonna sound ignorant but…

if there were some nationally visibly, laudable, successful gay people who weren’t entertainers or queens. Someone to challenge the stereotypes of gays. I know there’s resistance from the general population, but they’ve secured a great deal of financial power in certain sectors and few know it.

They’re biggest obstacle is figurin out how to pull everyone out the closet so that more of mainstream america can indentify…too many tokens runnin around at the moment.

Homoz

Fixed the errors…

They are not trying to compare themselves to black people. They thought that black people would be sympathetic to their cause, since they are both oppressed minorities in America. Also dont forget, the are gay, black men too.

@ XP

NICE, WELL THOUGHT OUT & INTELLIGENT POST!

WAS THAT FOR ME???

BECAUSE YOU USED PART OF MY POST…, BUT IGNORED THE MOST IMPORTANT PART……

TO ME IT IS A LABEL ONLY ISSUE. GO BE GAY/LES/ETC… DO YOUR THING. HOOK UP FOR LOVE & FOR LIFE. GET A CIVIL UNION/DOMESTIC PARTNERSHIP. THROW A CEREMONY. HAVE A NICE LIFE.

@anons

You think these people don’t exist now??? You have got to be kidding me. They are out there…

Why is it that because someone votes opposite of you they are wrong? So, we have a difference of opinion, whatever, get over it. Yes on 8, and that is my personal opinion and there is nothing that anyone can say to change that. So why is it that I am wrong because this is what i believe? I’m not saying your wrong, but let’s say it this way . . . If one day I am proven wrong (this will never happen in my opinion, but just saying) then I am more than willing to live my life right now being wrong (but we know I’m not).

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party planner, the key word was nationally visible. of course they exist, more than most people know and that’s my point.

This is off topic, but I think parents, esp in the black community tend to wait way too long before they talk about sex/sexuality and all that stuff.

I wouldn’t say that but come on 6 is just a bit too young to go off into the birds and bees. But if my son asks a question I don’t shun him with the “your too young” because to me if he is old enough to ask then he’s old enough to know. I am very open and feel in todays time you should be with kids bc you don’t want anyone else to teach them. Only thing is that the questions are starting to get harder…lol

“I wouldn’t say that but come on 6 is just a bit too young to go off into the birds and bees. But if my son asks a question I don’t shun him with the “your too young””

I was actually thinking ~10, when most start middle school. However, many are learning from their friends and TV. Resulting in those 14,15,16 yo’s getting pregnant.

GAY RIGHTS DO NOT EQUAL THE BLACK CIVIL RIGHTS.

THAT’S LIKE SAYING GUN RIGHTS OR ABORTION RIGHTS EQUALS THE BLACK CIVIL RIGHTS.

THEY ARE ALL THIER OWN INDIVIDUAL THINGS WITH THIER OWN SEPERATE ISSUES.

please, dont anyone try and compare gay with black our color will never change, we will still be discriminated against, we have been hunged, burnt, killed, taken away from our families, people vote for what they believe if they dont believe in gay marriages thats their opinon and right, i believe a woman and man is sacred union, being gay is not the norm, and marriage surely is not, when god made man he made a companion woman, not man and man

i love everybody, but that doesent make me wrong, cause i dont support gay marriage thats my opinion, and it will not change

I was actually thinking ~10, when most start middle school. However, many are learning from their friends and TV. Resulting in those 14,15,16 yo’s getting pregnant.

I do agree with you. I think some parents feel if they have those talks with their kids that they will encourage them have sex so instead they dont have the talk or have it too late because like you said friends and t.v. are showing them what and how to do it. My mom was very open with me about sexuality, I didn’t lose my virginity until I was 18 and out of high school to this guy I was sooo in love with. I won’t say that I wasn’t curious but because my mom gave me the 411 on sex I must say that I did it when I was ready and not for anyone else.

It doesn’t matter who’s fault it is. My best friends linda told me she met a handsome tall guy at a club called [__"seekingtall.com"__] where many tall singles how like sports there.I’m a white girl, can I meet my handsome guy there? Single guys, will you find your girl there?

People have their own opinions on homosexuality. Some agree with it, some don’t. I happen not to agree with the lifestyle. Call me homophobic if you want (even though I’m not b/c I have no fear of them at all). I agree marriage should be between a man and a woman. I do not hate gays and accept them like I would anyone else. As far as being “born” gay. I’m not buying it. Why would someone CHOOSE that lifestyle. Well a lot of people do thing that others oppose, even if it costs them their lives. I know several gay men and they disagree with that premise as well. Just because you a against a lifestyle doesn’t mean you HATE the person. If you have children, do you always agree with what they do? No. Do you love them anyway? You should.

Anyway, that’s my opinion.

“I know several gay men and they disagree with that premise as well.”

Well I personally have 24 gay friends that all agree they were born with it. I personally recognized I wasn’t attracted to girls at 8.

Well then RF, I guess some gays differ in opinions as well. If you feel you were born gay, so be it.

Trust me I don’t how we gonna ask people to respect us for who we are and then turn around and turn our backs on other minorities?

some people do choose to be gay and experiment with gay lifestyle.

some people don’t choose to be gay and are born gay.

either way, two consenting adults who love eachother and wish to marry should be permitted to do so.

one does not have to agree with gay marriage. but a constitutional ban of gay marriage is extreme bigotry. it is not a matter of personal opinion or about agreeing or not agreeing, it is a matter of civil rights.

scapegoating black people for prop 8 passing is also extreme bigotry.

black folks didn’t hang matthew shepard on fence to die. a bunch of bigoted young white people did.

this country barely respect the marriages of black folks, jus a few months ago, fox news called the married future first lady “baby mama”. black marriage is also still in need of defending.

white heterosexual conservative people don’t own the trademark on marriage.

The way we’ve come to define marriage is as a civil union, not just a religious thing. Otherwise, my boyfriend’s hindu parent’s marriage wouldn’t be recognized by the state. I don’t think any of you have a problem with a happy married straight indian couple. But if you believe marriage is a religious institution, and not a civil one, then you don’t think they should be married.

I think ultimately, it doesn’t matter if you think being gay is immoral, you think “marriage” is a term for only straight couples, you want to follow the words of the bible, etc: if its not your life, why should you care? If god will judge, so be it. It’s not up to us.

I’ve seen a lot of misinformation on here concerning the issue of sexuality being taught in schools. It’s up to families and parents to pick their school’s curriculums on the matter, and they can choose to teach their kids about marriage at home, if you deem it something you want to be in charge of. If parents decide they want their children educated about this in school, they will be – like parents in SF asking their childrens’ lesbian teacher to invite the kids to her wedding. The teacher didn’t make the decision – the parents did.

Lastly, I understand that a lot of people are uncomfortable comparing the civil rights movement to the gay rights movement. These are apples and oranges, but I don’t think ANYONE wants to be hated on for who they are on the inside, whether they’re born that way or find themselves to be that way. How many years ago was it that couples like Barack’s parents were prevented from marrying by law? Their love, however brief, still managed to produce an amazing figure that is going to change OUR country’s history forever. I just don’t see why gay couples shouldn’t be able to do the same(except the biological issue, but obviously there are so many babies needing homes, surrogacy, etc). Please don’t try and stop them from sharing their love, and bringing more beautiful people into the world.

i find it insulting as well. and i find it even MORE insulting when people go as far as to invoke dr. king’s name and image in relation to prop 8.

let’s compare apples to apples. we are talking about one “civil right”. meanwhile, gay people are allowed to have civil unions and no one beats on their doors and burns crosses if they choose to live together (like a married couple would, but without the title). black people could not only marry who they choose, but they also could not even live with who they choose or carry on any public relationship with a person of the opposite race.

i’m not sure where i stand on the whole issue, but it’s a stretch, at most, to try to compare their right to marry to our civil rights movement. be serious.

Look, I could care less if gays want to get married; what doesn’t affect me is fine. I live in Massachusetts where gay marriage has been legal now for four years. Our black governor, Deval Patrick, is not only supportive of gay marriage, but he also has a recently outed lesbian daughter.

But some here in Boston’s black community, particularly the black minisiters, are still mad about legalized gay marriage.

The problem that occurred is that the gay marriage movement here four years ago was led mostly by privilegded white gays who didn’t intereact with blacks on our issues, but kept harping on blacks to support their effort because of our legacy in the Civil Rights Movement. Instead, what they should have done was try to connect the marriage question by reaching out to the straight AND gay black communities with actually problems we all deal with today. Both gay and straight blacks have to deal with poor health access, poverty, unemployment, crime and other issues.

I’m not gay, but I can tell you that there is not one black gay person I know who thinks marriage equality is a priority unless the above issues of race and class are addressed simultaneously.

Unfortunately, only now after gay marriage in Massachusetts has been legal that the white gays want to better understand black problems, which is a bit late if you ask me.

I live in Cali and I voted for Prop 8. I feel like two consenting adults should marry whomever they want. But, I am also insulted when gays compare their struggle to that of blacks. I have a gay friend that I have known for over 7 years, the first four years of our friendship I never knew he was gay, but he knew I was black the moment I stepped in his view.

Blacks and Latino’s are racially profiled all over America by the police. I have never heard a gay person say, “The cops pulled me over because I was gay?” How many gays are murdered or incarcerated for mistaken identity, the way that blacks and Latino’s are? I agree that Gays have a huge battle on their hands to be accepted, but it is not the same as a black man being shot 19 times because he fit the description.

Also, with this whole Metro-sexual thing I don’t assume someone is gay because of the way they are dressed or they way that they looked, etc…. In Los Angeles, I can not make that assumption because I have been wrong many times. I decided not to make those assumptions. But when it comes to being black, you don’t have to assume.

I say, just treat people like you want to be treated. That’s it that’s all. I don’t care about who you marry and sleep with and you shouldn’t care about my personal biz as well.

oh wow my picture is finally displaying

By the way, the privileged white gays I speak of our this organization called MassEquality!

America was founded on christian princeples and those come from the bible and the bible clearly teachs that homosexuality if wrong get over it, you can’t get married like straight people, live together be happy, if you wanna get married like straight people be straight

OK… So we’re not quite ready to live in Soddom and Gommorah just yet. I say Hooray California!!!

i voted no on prop 8 b/c i don’t believe in discrimination of ANY kind. i the problem w/ this country is that we are unable to seperate church and state. let God judge homosexuals; it’s really not our business. i have enough to worry about; i don’t really care about dave marrying joseph….who cares?

I can say this as a christian black male who believes like the bible allows you can choose whatever you want. I don’t discriminate on anyone. I am in college and i have 150 kids in my fraternity at the moment. Two of my fraternity brothers are gay. I love them dearly but i believe marriage is between a man and a woman. I believe they can have ever single right that straight couples have legally. However I just don’t agree with it being called marriage. I don’t think that is being discriminatory i just think that one word marriage is between a man and a woman. So i even though i have very good friends who are gay voted yes for 8. However I know a lot of bigots voted on other reasons. I want gays and whoever else to be able to have equal rights but just call their unions something different. I believe that is fair just like all the kids who call me because im biracial not one race or the other no matter who i identify with.

With the divorce rate in the US being over 50%, heterosexuals have no right to tell anyone that they should not be able to marry. If the government is allowed to make laws taking away rights of gay citizens, what makes you think other rights might now be stripped away, because we don’t agree with a lifestyle? I am not comparing the gay struggle to the black struggle, but they are people to. Some of these comments in this debate are just down right ignorant. It 2008 people, its take for CHANGE!!

Black people are the most ignorant people in this country.

so quick to pull the race card when it comes to theirselves BUT yet oppose anything else than Black.

And dont say gay people choose their lifestyles cuz I doubt they do.. who would choose to be different from the norm?

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Why do they think that black folks should side with them and that we are entitled to think how we want to think. Shame on them for assuming that we all support that life style. I’m not throwing stones at anyone, but please respect my right to have my own opinion. Yes to prop 8.

Sorry folks but I am a born a raised and in L.A., Calif. and I don’t agree with the “gay rights” issues. Gay rights and Human/Civil rights issues aren’t the same. I think that it’s wrong to compare the two issues because “gay rights ” is about ones “Sexual” prefrences and the struggles and fight for blacks over 100 years was about “slavery” and being mistreated and the two issues are not even closely related and I have ALWAYS fought tried to explain the to the gay ppl that I come across.

Gay rights and Civil rights are different issues ppl!!!! Gay ppl should be ashamed of themselves for trying to hop onto the “black/freedom fighters” bandwagon!

Some of you need to get a clue. I can love and accept you without loving and accepting everything you do. What most people do not realize is that African Americans are overwhelmingly conservative in our social values.

People who voted for the gay marriage ban are not ignorant. They just disagree with gay marriage. I am far from ignorant, myself, and I fervently believe that homosexuality is wrong. You can be of a different opinion, but that doesn’t make my opinion any less valuable.

In my opinion, marriage should always be between one man and one woman. So if I have an opportunity to vote that way, then I would. That’s my decision. I think that is a state decision and the people of each state should make it. I don’t believe there should be a federal ban on marriage, because marriage is not a contract with the federal government. It is a contract with the state and the two people (one man, one woman) entering into it. So I didn’t support Bush’s federal ban on gay marriage, for legal reasons.

And I am sick and tired of homosexuals comparing their plight with that of my ancestors. It pisses me off to no end. No I shouldn’t support what I consider immoral behavior just because you aren’t provided what you consider “rights”. That doesn’t make sense.

Someone called it the “madea/church circuit” mentality. Call it what you will, but as a Christian being I know what the Bible says about homosexuality, from the old testament to the new. Take it how you like. If you don’t share those beliefs (spiritual/religious), then we have no argument. But if you do call yourself a Christian, you may want to examine yourself. We accept people, but people have to known that you don’t accept behavior that is anti to God’s plan. (That includes your own behavior as well…)

Let people live. How does it take away from my life if consenting adults are allowed to enjoy the benefits and priveleges that straight adults do? Jeez. Let people live. They’re not asking to be allowed to molest children. They’re not asking to sleep with frickin animals. They want to be able to be recognized as full members of society and isn’t that what everyone asks? I’d support a ban on hate group members being allowed to marry and procreate. damn. Equality is a good thing for all of us.

If I still lived in Cali I would’ve voted against it to.

We’re historically a very religious people who believe what the bible says…and it says a man with a man is an abomination. Nothing added, nothing taken away.

I am soooooooo disappointed this was supported, it just makes your country seem like its taking a step back after the glorious events on Tuesday…..I mean would it really hurt anybody if gay people were allowed to marry??? If you personlly dont like homosexuals well get ready to not like em even more….cos now they’ll be angry!!!

You could have just voted against it and kind of let them get on with their own business while you got on with your own……..jeez!

@ serious,

true u cant hide black, but still why shoukd they have to hide themselves and who they are ?and who they love? im one of those people that beleive the theory tht people dont chpoose to be gay,though some DO decide…..

( i had a girl in my class that said she felt like she HAD 2 b a lesbian bc no boys liked her and she didnt like the way her body was shaped n didnt feel comfrotable in womens clotes)

you say that they dont get lynched or hosed down, but there ARE hate crimes against gay people,…they were included included in the exterminations i the holocaust.

I know comparing the struggles taht Oscar Wilde had to endure compared to Booker T. Wahingtons is hardly a comparison of struggle at all. But I do agree the crimes against them and the prejudice against them isnt to the extent and power that we had to go through,but do acknowledge that there is a struggle for them too.

SMH @ those 70% of Black Californians…

Furthermore,

Some of you people are ignorant. (Meaning, not knowledgeable). “Marriage” has never been a right that allows wide ranged freedom. And the right to marry is not being taken away from gay people. They still have it. It exists just like it exists with heterosexual people. A heterosexual person can only marry someone of the opposite gender, just as a homosexual person can only marry someone of the opposite gender. There’s no difference. Call it what you like. But that’s the cold hard, legal reality of it.

So nothing has been taken away from these individuals. They actually had the “privilege” extended to them to marry someone of the same sex without a vote by the people of the state to begin with. Now the people have spoken, deal with it.

For those of you wailing about Christians being hypocrites…the true meaning and ideal behind Christianity is repentence and redemption. If you don’t acknowledge and remove yourself from your sins then you don’t receive salvation. I’m not telling you what to believe, I’m just telling you if you’re going to talk about it, get it right.

I feel mixed ways about this and hey I am not against gays but I would like to see my society as normal as possible, all this gay stuff is getting out of hand so Im fine with them putting a ban on gay marriages.

FOr one I agree. Obama while he does support gays he does not believe that they should be married. He believes that this should be focused in a male and femaile type of pledge. The problem is a lot of the homosexual community want things that are linked to Christianity but denounce christianity when it comes to rebuking their lifestyle. So they really need to get it together and decide where they want to be. Obama does believe that they can be in a contract situation but not marriage. So please next time you comment on Obama’s stance please know his position. I agree with the decision that was made in California. The problem is the homosexual community want to slam that information into our society and not everyone is bying it.

GAY RIGHTS DO NOT EQUAL THE BLACK CIVIL RIGHTS.

Its about rights period.

As for my opinion

I have no problems with the gays getting married, or anything they wanna do. As long as it doesnt hurt me, i could care less. I don’t know who decided that “marriage” is defined as being between a man and a woman. And if u do believe being gay is a lifestyle……then y is it the government’s business or anyone’s business. I’m beginning to think that people don’t care about rights as long as it doesn’t affect them….but little do they know…….

nobody is born gay.

what if they would of put the rights of black folks on ballot in the 60s? Can u imagine…..

Nappy, I am with you 100%

Florida had to vote on Amendment 2. All everyone kept saying was that it keeps gays from marrying; but it also keeps hetrosexual couples that are co habiting from having benefits. LIVE AND LET LIVE PEOPLE!

I think its sad.

They should have the right to be able to visit their partner in the hospital, and handle their affairs in the event of their partner’s death.

Its not just marriage, more things are at stake.

[but do not compare it to black's struggle. Do Not.]

what bothers me is the fact that homosexuals like to tie their struggles to the struggles of Black people….excuse me??!! I can’t change my skin color but they can act Butch for a minute so that no one would know that they were gay…..I’m sorry…I’m not trying to be P.C…..the two cannot be compared

gay rights and black rights are not the same issue!

Like many, I think its offensive and insulting that African Americans and Latinos are being targeted as if they must defend their voting choices to gays, the media, or anyone else. Why is that? Are you looking for a scapegoat for Prop 8 being passed? It’s easy to blame…my gay coworkers did the same. (It’s interesting how they were allowed to express feelings of disappointment over the passing of the measures but I was looked at cockeyed for my expressed joy–only after being asked about it–in our new President-Elect…)The struggles were not and will not ever be the same! Why is it that we are constantly thrust into a defensive position? You will not detract from my joy, nor discourage me from celebrating Obama’s victory–the majority has spoken. The majority–isn’t that what democracy is all about? The awesome right you have is to fight to have laws changed…legally…

NO HOMO-SEXUAL MARRIAGE…I VOTED FOR IT TO BE BANNAED. WHY THEY MAD AT BLACKS AND LATINOS,YOU CANT COMPARE THE TWO SITUATIONS.THIS COUNTRY IS FOUNDED ON CHRISTIANITY,ITS AGAINST CHRISTIAN BELEIFS FOR 2 PEOPLE,SAME SEX TO BE INVOLVE. I.E (SADOM AND GAMORA)YOU CANT STOP PEOPLE FROM BEING GAY,BUT MARRIAGE, GTFOH….THEY BETTER LEGALIZE WEED BEFORE THEY DO THAT.

why can’t all people have the same rights DAMN IT???????

P and No, Seriously:

Both so on point!

eveyone deserves to be happy REGARDLESS of race, color, sexual orientation, handicap, religion, etc, etc,etc

I’m married and I voted against Amendment 2 here in FL…. is not right!!! EVERYONE DESERVES EQUAL TREATMENT….

This is actually the best thing that could have happened. The lawsuits have started and the supreme court will have to make the law unconstitutional, hopefully after Obama makes his appointments.

Well if you check your history HOMOSEXUALITY is HUGE in the Arian community, always has been since the Ceasar and Roman days. Im not saying it has never happened in African culture but it IS NOT prevelant like it is in CAUCASIAN culture/ Learn your history black people and stop conforming to white rule, you dont have to change your opinions to be politically correct, its not your HISTORY, its thiers!!!

excuse me but i didnt vote yes or no to that…all i remember is checking OBAMA/BIDEN and high tailing my ass to work…i love the gays and lesbians they are fun to be around…everyone has a choice im not GOD to be acting all judgemental so i damn sure didnt vote against yall…like we Black people need more people to hate on us smdh

I am sick of the comparison.

Being a straight individual, I cannot speak on homosexuality being a “choice” or not. Most people DO speak on it but I think only someone in that lifestyle can give accurate insight as to whether it is or not. I cannot imagine that they would CHOOSE voluntarily to subject themselves to all of the mistreatment that comes with.

We do not have a “closet” and being black in this country is still the easiest target in the world.

That said, many of us view “marriage” as a religious institution – including myself. That does not mean, however, that it is! Someone made the statement that this country was founded on Christian principles. Native Americans (remember them?) did NOT practice Christianity. Christianity was brought to America with the Christians BUT that was a loonnnnnnggggg time ago! There are many more people here now (some brought forcefully) and they brought their religions to this place too. Everyone’s religion is their own personal truth by which THEY live – can’t make others live it as well.

I am a Muslim. We’re definitely not feeling gay marriage but nobody says we have to. The fact of the matter is that these unions do exist and there needs to be some legal remedy to protect them because they face the same problems ALL unions face (for example, health insurance coverage for partners as well as wills and inheritance issues in the event of a partners unfortunate demise).

People are so insecure. They think if they let “those people” get married too, what does that say about MY marriage? It says NOT A THING about your own marriage. It remains what it ALWAYS was. The alarming divorce rate among HETEROSEXUALS is what is eroding the institution of marriage – not the classes of people who are invited to join in. Let them have it. I’d rather see a committed gay couple married than a single mother with 4 baby daddies. Seriously. It is time to start thinking outside the box.

I am against GAY MARIAGE, mariage is a SYMBOL. Our kids or future generations must know that mariage is always between a man and woman. It’s that way our ancestors, people now make babies or childrens. BUT I AGREE that government can traduce their relations as some CIVIL UNION and GIVE THEM SOME ADVANTAGES as others maried couples. POINT BLANK.

i dont mind gay marriage. i DO feel like there will be a lot of drama involved itit not being banned.

I AM GLAD that GAY IS BANNED. BUT I SUPPORT their needs to get some ADVANTAGES related to their “Civil Union”, or something like. OK?

I just want to say…for all those who oppose Prop 8, how are people suppose to vote against this proposition when the Bible directly says that being gay is a sin?

I am glad I am not living in Cali because that vote would have torn me apart.

Being black was not a sin in the Bible, but the Bible does speak directly against being gay. In church, we are often taught to love the person not the sin, but how far is loving the person without condoning what you know God speaks against?

Instead of bashing people who voted for it, ya’ll need to be open to understand why. And hint: it is more likely not because of hatred but because of their religious convictions.

Let’s have a more accurate dialogue people.

Once upon a time we African Americans were chained and enslaved because the ruling culture refused to acknowledge that we were human. Therefore, we did not deserve any rights or freedoms. I absolutely refuse to allow anyone (Gay or not) to dictate how I vote on any issue, however I did vote against Prop 8. As far as I am concerned, it is not a situation that impacts me or my culture’s lives negatively, so why refuse to grant them the freedoms and rights that everyone deserves. I believe that GOD made all of us and HE does not make mistakes. No one should ever forget what happened when a people was allowed to dehumanize another race of people; it made it quite easy to enslave and even kill them without consequence.

ANOTHER THING: American democraty is BAD. Why can they give statistics based on color of skin? I never heard that kind of statistics in Europa. Anything in usa is always related to racial origins. Very sad, and trying to create struggle between peoples.

This in my opinion came from the Black communities overall misguided view of homosexuals and there struggle. I am not gay but I have some really good friends who are and in my opinion there struggle to have equal rights does have some resemblance to the struggle that Blacks have for equal everything…Now I wont say that the Gay community has had it as rough as blacks used to but you gotta look at the situations as being at least slightly similar like when Gay bashings happen like the White kid who got beaten and tied up to a fence in the middle of a field that may not be a lynching for all to see but still an attack on someone for being different isn’t that what whites used to do to us?…They used to say that black where an inferior race well they used to say that being was a mental disorder…so all of that said i understand the comparison and I wish we would stop acting like we are the only group of people to be victimized.

I don’t see why African-Americans should be ashamed of ourselves. The struggles that the black community have faced are more horrendous by leaps and bounds compared to what the homosexual community has.

Firstly, you can’t hide the fact that you are black. You can’t walk into a room and hide your blackness. Can’t come out of the closet black. How can a white homosexual even compare that with being plain old black? If a white man walks into Harvard, he’s seen as a white man first and if he’s is found out to be gay, then he is discriminated against. If a black man walks into Harvard, he’s discriminated first because he is black, and then if he’s found out to be gay, the discrimination is compounded upon.

It’s not the same. The Bible, Quran, and the Torah all condemn homosexuality as a sin, but not race as a sin.

It is a shame that the press looked to report a scapegoat in the black community. There are more white people in California than there are blacks. How many WHITE people voted to strike this measure down? The gay community should not try to compare their struggles in any way, shape, or form to the black people’s struggle in this country. They were not hung on trees for looking at a white woman. Stop!

I am so tired of people bringing Church into this situation why must your beliefs effect others? Why can’t people just live and let live? A gay couple getting married doesn’t in anyway effect ANY heterosexual couples marriage. And just so you know there are religions out there that dont teach intolerance like the institutions that use The Bible, Quran, and the Torah.

I agree with some of the people here who say that you can’t, you cannot, you cannot compare being black with being homosexual. You can’t take blacks to task because we “know how it feels to have our civil rights violated”. Here’s the deal I am a Christian, I am not a homophobe but I do believe that

1. It is a choice. A choice that just like any other sin you will be judged for by God.

2. Marriage is between man and woman, not two people of the same sex.

3. The person stating that they would have taught that the lifestyle is okay to children. In many communities they already are.

4. Our race doesn’t make us homophobic, hate makes you homophobic. You CANNOT be a Christian and hate homosexuals. God is LOVE and He teaches us to love everyone however we are to hate the sin, i.e. the lifestyle. And that includes the lifestyle of..adulterers (sp), liars, thieves, fornicators.

It is in the Bible and it is clearly written what is acceptable and what is not. So before you are so quick to accuse people of being homophobic or saying that you support something that is wrong check it out for yourself and be willing to take a stand.

Black people and Latinos around the world have been poisoned by religion and the slave mentality. The law has NOTHING to do with religion, and discriminination should never be sanctioned by the law. While Barack is a great victory, we are still behind as black and brown people in supporting equal rights for EVERYONE under the law. The oppressed becomes the oppressor as usual. We don’t need more Jesus in this country, we need more education and a Supreme Court that rules on the LAW not on religious or personal beliefs.

Break the slave mentality.

It is very interesting how my people voted for Prop 8 to deny my right to get married, but my people are not concerned for the fact that the majority of our women (70%) are not married. My people are not concerned that the majority of our children are being born outside of marriage.

If my people want to preserve marriage, we should focus on increasing marriage in the black community instead of taking away my right to marry who I want to marry.

Mannie1984!!!!

Why are you trying to compare BEING BLACK and BEING GAY? No one opposes that GAY UNIONS take the same advantages as common married people. BLACK people never wanted to be WHITE, just the same RIGHTS. BUT something seems political, as in France, why GAY Community always wants the word MARRIAGE to call their UNION? In france that debate was struggling. Many French Senators have proposed others words than MARRIAGE with the SAME advantages BUT Gay Community wants always the word MARRIAGE, it looks their “needs” are more political than others, so Heterosexuals feel like Gay Community is always trying to show his “victim face” to “disturb” all religious communities.

Thank you Alex!!!!!!!

I voted “YES”. Why are they disappointed. Being of a different race and being gay are two different things. Think about it. I have no problem with gays, but damn that is not natural. Two gay people cannot reproduce naturally. The only people that supports that are gays. Sorry, but Get over it.

My mom is gay (a lesbian) and is “married” or whatever it is in NY State (domestic something or other) since 1998. I am not necessarily for it, but if you gave people the choice to vote on it, you cannot assume to expect what people will choose. Do I think gay people should be able to get married: personally it doesn’t bother me, but why must the govt be involved in all of this is my question. Just like with abortion: it is not up the govt to tell me what to do and what is right for my body and life. I guess it was just a wake up call of how people really feel. Is it fair? Who is to say? But I guess you have to keep fighting for what you want.

@no, seriously

massequality was also involved in the California prop 8 initiative too. Go figure, this white privilege is real!

And most gay people are flip flop from one person to another. Every week it’s a new “Boo”. I know, becuz I know a few.

Never in the history of these united states have rights been given and then taken back. Not to women’s right to vote not for the ability for inter racial marriagesnot for the end of slavery. never so this is extremely invalidating as a human, to be thought of so lowly that your rights can be taken away, because they choose to, why is that OK? why does no one understand the outrage in it. Martin said injustice for one is injustice for all and it breaks my heart to see this injustice, this sleight of hand be accepted. It’s not right , it’s not right and it’s not enough for “us” to fight… your straight friends, your family members have to fight too. in history, laws have been put into place because people who received nothing from those laws advocated for them. How is it OK to treat me as if my love, my life, is subject to mass approval?? the masses. They’ve rarely if ever supported a multi-racial, lesbian, outspoken, poet, activist, human. I am not their poster child, why are they mine? I’m angry.

I have nothing against the gays and them having the same health benefits as married folks. I just don’t agree with calling it a marriage. They should call it a legal union or something. Hell, I don’t consider what a lot a straight folks call marriage. Marriage falls under religion, the legality of it is more for the government.

i guess because blk ppl are minorities, we should side with ppl that live a lifestyle most of us dont agree with… i really dont see how being black can remotely relate to be gay/ lesbian… As far a i know GLT community is quite multicultured. Try comming to Toronto and visit the gayberhood you’ll see that there many minorities and im guessing the percentage of those who define themselves as black is very small. I only wish we had the opportunity to vote on such an issue here. STOP USING BLACK PPL AS A SCAPEGOAT, WE DONT OWE YOU NOTHING, YOUR LIFESTYLE IS UR CHOICE, OUR SKIN COLOR IS NOT SOMETHING WE COULD CHOSE.

Angry Black Female

I am not trying to be funny, but I always had this question. Is it me or like is being straight kind of being discriminated against. Straight people don’t have a parade, straight people don’t have a flag. I mean what is all of this. If you want rights the same, why are you creating all this stuff to make you different and stand out? Again I am not trying to be funny or a wise-ass or anything. I have just truly always wondered. And yes, I did ask my Mom and she didn’t really have an answer. So I am just wondering about that.

@ Jazmine

I soooo agree with you.

Kompton’s Kutie

Seriously??? You know a few gays so you assume that they all sleep around thats like a white person saying i know some black men that dont support there families so that means that all of them are dead beat dads… come on folks why are black people so judgemental?

To the last person, the reason why there is a GLBT parades is to just announce that we are a visible part of the American society. We have parades to celebrate the struggles we as gay people have went through, but also to celebrate the triumphs we have went through.

“voting is supposed to be private, why are they disclosing race, they may as well given names out.”

I never heard vote statistics BASED ON RACIAL ORIGINS in Europa. That’s something WRONG in usa.

The issue here is not whether the gay struggle compares to the black struggle, or if someone’s religious/moral beliefs tells them that gay marriage is wrong. The issue is that state constitutions have been changed based on religious beliefs.

Let’s all think back to elementary school when we learned about separation of church and state. This means that legislation will not be created or supported when based on religious views and that as a government we will not press religious view points on the citizens. We have also supported gender discrimination. Marriage is a legally binding CONTRACT. The beliefs you have about marriage is a personal thing, but to the government it is a contract, and legally binding contracts cannot discriminate on the basis of gender.

This issue isn’t about gay or straight, but plain discrimination. There are people out there that don’t believe in interracial relationships, so how would we feel about a proposition to define marriage as “one white man, one white woman,” “one black man, one black woman”, and so on, and so on…

Our rights as AMERICANS come in a package. We can’t sift through and decide who gets what. If we support discrimination of any kind, then yes as minorities we are being hypocritical. We have to be very careful in supporting legislation such as this…give them a foot and they’ll take a mile. Study your government and your history…make voting decisions based on knowledge and not your biased view points.

Wow

I can’t believe he said that. Being gay and being black can not be compared. Gay people as a whole were not denied basic medical care, an adequate education, entry into restaurants, jailed, hung, town/homes burned down, or had to use sep. water fountains, or work as shoe shiners or maids because you were gay. I think it’s time to find something else to compare being gay to.

Equal rights for all. I don’t care who you sleep with or marry, if you like I love it. I do however have a problem with gays comparing themselves with African Americans. Nobody has to see you’re gay. The whole damn world can see I’m black. Blacks struggled for the right to EXIST without being hung from trees, hosed, having dogs turned on them, being drug behind trucks, etc. Gays live where they want, work where they want, eat where they want. This crap about having to hide who they are is just that…crap. In the workplace a certain standard is expected. No one has to know you’re flaming just as no one has to know I may be a freak. It isn’t relevant to that environment. While homophobia exists and is wrong, gay life in America no way compares to racism in America.

if homosexuals want to ignore scripture ( ie. homosexuality is is sin), then why is it so important to them to enter into marriage , which is a religious/chritian institution? I never got that, you want civil rights, then why isn’t a “civil union” enough. If you reject the teachings of the bible, why do you want one of the gifts God blesses a man and woman with. You can’t pick and choose what aspects of the bible you find interesting. I’m not saying that homosexuals shouldn’t be able to give informed consent for their partners or anything. They should have those right and have their union ( altough a sin) recognized. BUT DON’T CALL IT MARRIAGE. call it whatever type of union you want. But marriage is scared and holy. I’m not even going to get on the topic of black and homosexuals having the same struggles. thats an insult. And whoever brought up MLK….. stop it right there. He was a minister. and although he wouldn’t hate homosexuals ( I don’t, I hate thier sin. not the person), I think he’d be opposed to adjusting a christian institution to incorperate a sinful lifestyle.

I will be honest I didnt see anything for it…..i was so excitied about voting for Obama (YEA WHITEY) i didn’t even notice they had it there. I feel a lot of people didnt chose, not meaning they were against it. But i do not feel they should get married. I do feel they should be able to add their partner to their health Insurance, have them as beneficiaries for their life insurance, and the right to leave thier properity UPON DEATH. I feel marriage is between a man and a woman confess thier love to one another in front of God.

“Marriage is only a word if you feel some kind of way about that word then you should evaluate yourself.”

OMG,You and your Gay community must evaluate yourself. In France, the Government proposed to give the SAME RIGHTS as others married couples, they refuse because they want ONLY the word MARRIAGE instead of other word like UNION,etc. After that they lost the majority of people who was behind them to claim their RIGHTS. The most important is the RIGHTS or the word? I think is the RIGHTS otherwise it is POLITICAL to disturb others communities and put the government in a struggle situation.

“Marriage is only a word if you feel some kind of way about that word then you should evaluate yourself.”

OMG,You and your Gay community must evaluate yourself. In France, the Government proposed to give the SAME RIGHTS as others married couples, they refuse because they want ONLY the word MARRIAGE instead of other word like UNION,etc. After that they lost the majority of people who was behind them to claim their RIGHTS. The most important is the RIGHTS or the word? I think is the RIGHTS otherwise it is POLITICAL to disturb others communities and put the government in a struggle situation.

Here is a serious question.

For those of you who say that being black different from being gay, what do you say to a gay black person? Should they ignore their homosexuality for race pride or the other way around?

Blacks and Latinos are held prisoners by their religion. This at times makes them make silly decisions!!

@Mannie1984

Ur right, that was a generalization, but them being hoes wasn’t the basis for me voting “Yes” on pro. 8. Is being gay natural? Hell, No.

F a g g o t s

BEING BLACK is different to BEING GAY. Dont mix. There are BLACK and GAY people.

I will support civil unions. I will never call a union between same-sex couples a marriage. It isn’t a marriage, by basic definition alone.

Since the gays are going to insult minorities, don’t expect us to support you at all. Have fun fighting the white, conservative, fundamentals on your own.

I love my black peeps, my gay peeps, my Christain peeps…however I honestly don’t feel we should re-write or re-defined marriage. Marriage is for man and woman…PERIOD! However I do agree with civil unions or legal partnerships for same-sex.

Human rights and Sexual preference rights are not the same people. O well, they can’t get married. But, they can still be gay and be accepted in this world. Be happy for that.

I am pro-Gay.

I need my gay friends otherwise I would not know what shoes to wear when we go out.

Also, let the gay people get married. Wtf.

Ok, I’m done.

Being black isn’t a choice and I believe bbeing gay isnt a choice either..so therefore their is some connection..BUT i don’t think it is a black thing, I think it is a generational thing..I believe older people are more against than younger people because the younger age bracket is more open minded, with that said it will probably not be a big deal to be gay in married once the next generation comes into power

Blacks and Latinos are held prisoners by their religion. This at times makes them make silly decisions!!

LOL. held prisoner. no sweety I chose, enbrace , and am comforted by my religion. And since when is making decisions based on your morals silly? What do you incorperate into your decision making process? boy, some people swear they are soooo intellectual.

I totally agree with jer…Black folks don’t have anything to do with whether or not same sex marriages are going to be allowed in california..Plus when you vote noone is sure if the color box was checked honestly. So if you are gay and want to get married check with God first and ask him if it’s ok before you blame everybody else!tyhing to t

And who says gays are accepted, hate crimes occur all the time. They face the same stereotypes that minorities face…people need to be way more accepting of others differences

Does anyone here consider being black AND gay to be a double minority? I understand the arguements that it is easier to discriminate against a black person over a gay person, unless the gay person is “stereotypically” (flaming) gay. But gays have a lot of crap to go through in this world too.

I can only imagine what it is like to be gay and black.

Also if we’re going to talk about religion, then we should also ban divorce, since when you marry you swear “death do us part”…religion has nothing to do with this cuz then there should be a lot of things illegal that aren’t

@Katherine

I’m 27. My friends and family that are my age or younger voted the same. Even younger people, I know, that are in high school now and will be able to vote in the next 4 years also, do not approve gay marriages.

@Kompton Kutie, yes of course there will still be younger people against it, but if you look at who voted for what, overwhelmingly so younger voters voted to not pass Prop 8, while older people overwhelmingly so voted to pass it…but you don’t hear that in many news outlets because they’re so focused on how black and latinos voted…so with that said, it can actually tell us a lot about what the next generation feels about it

Oshie (I like em brown, yellow, Puero Rican or Hatian, my name is Osh Kosh from the Zulu Nation)

Also, let the gay people get married. Wtf.

Ok, I’m done.

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Boy, Oshie your screen name reminds me of the Koreans during the LA riots with signs that say, “me soul brother too”! Sad!

“Homophobia is like racism and anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry in that it seeks to dehumanize a large group of people, to deny their humanity, their dignity and personhood.”

-Coretta Scott King

Rights are rights no matter who they are for…But I see that Black in this country don’t do much research I keep hearing about church and god when blacks where brought to this country and FORCED to learn Christianity its not like we as a people didn’t have our religions that have long been forgotten…and how color and sexuality are not equal struggles evidently being gay is unnatural and a sin and a whole bunch of other crap when I know that there is a good percentage of people on here spouting on about god that just rolled out of a coochie or off of a dick so you can keep the religious argument because that is an argument of convenience…But I see this is a losing battle on here…But I will admit this was a very civilized discussion…

i think its a good example to compare it. gays may not be hung by trees but how many have been bashed and killed in the streets for no reason at all just hate. and not to mention the constant humiliation we have to face on day to day. people laughing and staring at us and using the word “faggot” towards us. alot of us commit suicide because of the constant abuse. so what if somebody wants to marry somebody of the same sex. i dont say everybody should approve but they should also let other people be happy. i think its completely messed up especially for our people who’ve been opressed for so many years to opress another group of people because of there sexuality. but hey several decades ago blacks couldnt vote and now we got Barack. so who knows maybe one day we gays will be fine as well. but its up to these close minded assholes to get over it.

Interesting since so many black men are gay anyway. hmmm

I’m gay and black. All the people who are saying you can’t equate the struggles of the two are only saying that because you don’t deal with it. Picture this: Imagine being hated and villified for something you can’t control.

This is about civil rights for everyone. Regardless if you don’t agree with it, how is it harming you? No one is imposing their lifestyle or sexual choice on you. We just want the same rights as everyone else.

As for cocobarbie, they can’t teach your kids any of that. That would fall under Sexual Education which is taught at very few schools and those schools are only high schools.

People, please

This issue of marriage is generational and not necessarily racial. I predict that within the next 10-15 years same sex marriage will be legal nationwide.

Why you ask?

Statistics show that the younger your are, the more likely you support gay rights, including marriage, adoption and the right to not be fired from a job for being gay. More high schools and colleges have gay/straight alliances today. Gays are coming out more often and at younger ages these days. Also, gays are all over pop culture (the Bravo network, anyone).

So as the years go on and younger, more open-minded people become of voting age, there will be some major changes in this country regarding gay rights, whether you like it or not.

Homophobia is like racism and anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry in that it seeks to dehumanize a large group of people, to deny their humanity, their dignity and personhood.

Coretta Scott King

Come on black people, do better. You can not agree with the lifestyle AND vote for equal rights. In other words, it’s not about YOU. It’s about wanting what’s right for all –regardless of your “opinion.”

Who says that gays chose to be gay? Unless your gay how do you know? I guess us black people should skin lighteners so we can look whiter, since some people may say being black is a choice since we have that option…SMH

I think goes back to Black and latin religious beliefs. Our communities have always been very close to our God because of the struggles and hardships we’ve faced in history for being non-white. Even american music was shaped upon our pslams and hymns in Church our heart and souls lamented for better days.

Homosexuals think we should know how they feel because they feel like a minority in that they fall in love with members of the same sex.

Although most of my friends agree with me that we don’t care what people do behind closed doors I cannot say so much for our God.

In the bible it describes homosexuality as an abomination to God so until it is proven that being gay is as genetic as being black or latino then people in our minority community will have a problem supporting it.

Leviticus 18:22-23

22(T) You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination. 23(U) And you shall not lie with any animal and so make yourself unclean with it, neither shall any woman give herself to an animal to lie with it: it is(V) perversion.

@ Nyah

Thank you.

Thank you, Katherine. I was about to ask that. It is so ignorant. Damn, it’s about basic civil rights. Gay/Black/Straight aside….we’re all human.

@ Jessica – Thank you!

I have said my piece and after reading the posts, I have come to the conclusion. I love gay people, in fact, I live in what the city coins as the gay part of the town. But, I do not love their lifestyle. I may be black, but being black is in no way related to being gay! I think that if there could be another legislation that would give these people the rights that they are wanting when they are together than more power to them. But to say, let’s call a gay union a marriage, hell no! Marriage is something that is accepted under God. God does not condone gay unions! But more power to them in terms of getting whatever governmental benefits that they want.

In the end, WE ALL are going to be judged by God! I am not going to say that I am a perfect Christian, but I am not going to stand by something I think is not right. If I sin, which I ain’t going to lie I have a lot, I ask for forgiveness and do not do that sin again. With the gay population, their union is a sin and they are not asking for forgiveness. They want to live in that sin.

I don’t condone the sin, but I love the people and will continue to love the people as I pray for them! They are my brothers and sisters of this world so civil rights, yes, but no to gay marriage.

@Nyah Molineaux…I respectfully ask why does your sexual proclivity have to be visible? Mine isn’t. Your sexual orientation is just that….yours. Mind you I am in no way advocating that gay/lesbians “hide”, but doesn’t flaunting it create part of the problems gay/lesbians have in the community? I will say again, I am for equal rights for all people and am in no way homophobic and agree with the JA on the separation of church and state.

@Only Respectable Negro, exactly, that’s what people are not understanding..the next generation is generally always more open minded than the last..that’s why i know without a doubt gay people will get all their rights at some point

ferries

Again I personally don’t care nor do I have an opinion or judgement to cast against anyone. However the fear of God is within me and the possibility of a heaven and hell or a judgement day all give me major goosebumps.

The description of the lake of fire and eternity are something I cannot fully comprehend and this belief still exists in the Black and Latino communities.

So although I don’t care until someone can prove that God doesn’t exist or that the words in the bible are truly uninspired i will always have my doubts about considering the behavior acceptable to God.

If it were up to me everyone would have the freedom to love whomever they choose but when it comes to religion it is not up to me. Neither is saving souls on judgement day, all I can do is work out my own salvation and if my vote is to be judged by God then may it be according to what is written and not according to my opinion.

There is no possible way you can compare the struggles that black people go through to what homosexuals go through. You could isolate a few incidences where there was violence against a person because they were gay, but there are thousands of racial hate crimes. We were not even considered human and by many, we are still hated. We deal with this on an everyday basis. We were terrorized, killed, beaten, and treated like subhumans for many years and had to fight to get to this point–even though a lot of racism still exists. Gay people answer this: If a gay white man and a straight black man walked through a neighborhood of drunk rowdy skinheads at 2 a.m., which one would more likely walk away unharmed? The only thing the gay would need to do is ‘act’ straight and he would make it. We are who we are, and racists don’t judge us on our character–only on our ancestry.

I thought that in light of Obama’s historic win that there would be more equality for homosexuals who wish to legally marry. The decision is unfortunate.

i know the struggle of black people have nothing to do with what gays are experiencing! but please, nobody choose to be gay! some people just are gay and most gay i know said that they realize they like boy or girls when they were kids! just like a boy start to like girl and nobody ever teach him to like girls! its natural meaning, its not a choice! now some gay decide to accept what they are, some refuse and live on the downlow, have kids and all, but imagine how you feel! i will be damn if i marry a guy that secretly love to get effed in the ass! hell naw! just for us woman, let the gay live openly so we don’t have to deal with those down low men! thanks

@Me, I feel gay people shouldn’t have to pay taxes or should get a tax break…If they can’t marry, then why should they pay the same amount of everyone else..and since when is marry sacred. Us straight people have taken marriage forgranted for years..we divorce, cheat, lie, separate…honestly we don’t really respect about marriage, because they way we treat it has refleccted that..but all of a sudden we’re acting like we do care..get the f*ck outta her with that moral sh*t

Come on people!!! Did you forgot Matthew Shepherd who was dragged behind a car and then hung on a fence for his sexual identity. You might believe that homosexuality is a “choice,” it is not! Research proves that. We know what it’s like to feel devalued and discriminated against for being who we are. I would have expected more sensitivity from our community with regard to that issue. I’m ashamed of our community for supporting this measure that is based on fear and homophobia.

“since some people may say being black is a choice since we have that option”

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WTF? Let me say it again…WTF? How in the world…I’m stuttering. Even if there were some validity to that piece inanity, lightening your skin would not make you not black.

corperatecutieshayshay, it doesn’t matter. LOL. You had a valid and great point and you still got it across.

The whole black/gay plight. Very different but both examples of how ignorance is used to keep a group of people down. The difference is the whole slavery black oppression was done on a major level; There’s thousands of men, women, kids who are killed each year because of hate/ignorance.

To all the people who want to “protect” marriage: How would this effect you? Would gays getting married effect your marriage?

Look at the divorce rate; the ammount of annulments. No one cares about the sanctity of marriage.

@yanib, yeah there is a lot of validity to that point. While skin lighteners wouldnt make me or you white, it would make us lighter(whiter). Promoting religion and taking away their rights isn’t going to make them not gay, it’s not a choice where if you inflict restrictions into their life all of a sudden they will turn straight.

@ Austin …THANK YOU since we have so many well versed bible thumpers on here THAT LOVE TO TELL ME WHAT IM GOING TO HELL FOR

The two are absolutely NOTHING alike! I’m sick and tired of people comparing the Black Civil Rights Mvmt. to Homosexuality!

@ Jessica: The Bible also says that if a woman is menstruating she is unclean and should go be by herself for 7 days, it also says that we are to sacrifice animals on the Sabbath day, and that you are to LOVE THY NEIGHBOR.

Many things in the Bible were written by MEN not GOD for the benefit of the MEN who wrote it. I suggest you re-read your Bible and then take a few history lessons to supplement your religious superstitions. Who cares if gay people get married. Its not hurting you…. get over it.

BUN BOTTY BWOY!

Are we forgetting that there are GAY people who are also BLACK???

FIRE BUN BOTTY BWOY!

Oshie, people don’t care. This doesn’t effect them so they don’t care.

How can a homosexual compare themselves with a black person? It’s impossible. In the bible God destroyed the cities of Sodom and Goamorah because of homosexuality. God he is not prejudice against any rac, but he does HATE homosexuality. I’m sorry, but that’s just reality so accept it and move on!!!!!

SAY BLACKS ARE AGINST ALL MARRIAGES…………………………………..

I DON’T THINK HOMOSEXUALS SHOULD COMPARE THEIR STRUGGLE WITH THOSE OF BLACK DURING THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT. EVERY STRUGGLE IS DIFFERENT. BUT WITH THAT SAID WHY SHOULDN’T THEY BE ALLOWED TO GET MARRIED. THEM GETTING THE RIGHT TO GET MARRIED IS NOT GOING TO AFFECT THE “SAINTY” OF CHRISTIAN MARRAGE.

rootie tootie fresh n frootie!

Random History Fact:

Martin Luther Kings closest adviser was an openly gay black male. The chief architect of the civil rights movement.

In closing: Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice well… everywhere!

~*You know what…….Is it proven that Gay/Lesbians are born that way??? STOP IT! You know damn well that that kind of Lifesstyle is a chose!!!! I see folk asking ‘Why would anyone chose to be Gay/Lesbian?” I honestly feel because something TERRIBLE happened to “You” like being molested by a a realtive (Male Or Female), Or being Raped, or even being around someone who is already confused brought out this sickening FAD! Anyway as a parent I DONT want my child being brought to think that this kind of confused behavior is acceptable. No I will not sit here and say I’m a saint. That I am not, but Wrong is wrong and Right is always right. Who am I to judge NO ONE. This is only my opinion. I have a few relatives that are gay/lesbian. I don’t judge them but they WILL NEVER be around my child. I’m not sorry I just don’t condone this sad lyfestyle. I feel the same way about Racist!*~

@ Me: Once people get over their superstitious beliefs they WILL care. And they WILL get over them… that’s what God is about: LOVE. Not some ancient book and how you can use it to oppress people.

Grrr….

Keppnitreal, ya’ll kill me with these old ass views. What did God say of Black people in the bible? Times are different. You cannot use the bible to live in this day and time.

@Me, exactly, unless it directly affects them or someone they love/care about..they don’t care.

I think what one gay person said out of pocket (and out of context) is being used as a quote here to stir up people’s emotions.

Who the hell is F. Damion, and why do you care what he thinks? He is not the ambassador for gay people!

People:

As a lesbian woman, you have to consider the exactly what the gay community are trying to express as far as civil rights. African Americans endured extremely severe oppression, segragation, racism, physical assault, and psychological abuse. The iggnorance of a people that believe their skin color automatically made them pure and superior to all others, particularly blacks. This iggnorance also allowed them to justify their actions.

Thanks corpcutieshayshay. Happy Friday!

Thank you, blu_les.

The same way straight people think their sexual preference makes them superior to all others.

I love people regardless of sexual orientation my problem is the hypocrisy, so quickly said to be had by Christians, is disgustingly evident in the GLBT community. Example; you shove your beliefs down everyone’s throat with the parades yet hate on other people who do the same. Why is that? And the GLBT community has the audacity to demand the support of Miniorities

but where are they when faced with issues of racism. I didn’t see them issuing statements when that young man was gun down in NY. STOP THE HYPOCRISY!

As a straight guy I don’t ever remember choosing to be straight. I assume this is the case for everyone else.

I think black gays have alot of work to do in order to change our community. After all the whites are more tolerant due the hard work that the white gays put in.

So until our gay sisters & brothers stop hiding and cowering and challenge these prejudices within the communities, nothing is going to change.

IMO, marriage has been defined in the Bible as “a holy matrimony” of course between a man and woman. If the LBGT community were allowed to be married, would that be merging the lines of church and state on their (LBGT) behalf? Just a thought.

You’re not going to convince ignorant people. this is an issue that a well-informed courts will have to decide on, and Obama’s court will knock it down easily.

I dont know what to say about this really, I want more research to see if homosexuality is a product of nature or nurture….

Homosexuals have been on this earth since the beginning of time, I say let them do what they please because they are human beings as well, but there is a line of respect that comes with this lifestyle…ioono, I really dont know what to say about this subject….

@Lovely One

Marriage is already ‘merged’ with the state, because it gives legal rights. The problem with that is, religious people are trying to hold on to the ‘non-religious’ aspect of it too. the Supreme court will strike these laws down on that basis.

if you believe in the bible and heck science for that matter the man’s body specifically genitalia is designed to fit with the femail genitalia….the bible also is specific about same sex relationships…period….what bothers me is people who choose to accept certain aspects of religion….while refusing to deal with the other aspects….either way….I have my views but in the end I can only answer for my life not someone else’s I still fill strongly that the struggle of the “Black Man” and the struggle of those in the gay community are not the same

*STATIC* This is Officer Otis, I repeat, this is Officer Otis. The gays are rioting, send backup immediately! Over. *STATIC*

I do think its wrong for homosexuals to adopt kids though, because what example are they setting for the children?

This is sad! What if interracial marriage was put up for a vote in the 60′s? It would be banned. Basic human rights should not be voted on! We should be ashamed of ourselves. The Black church LOVES to have gay people in the choir. But they condemn their lifestyle. SAD! The church has created this atmosphere that produces DOWN LOW Black males and violence against gays. This is ridiculous.

There are children without families (mostly Black) caught up ion the foster care system. They need families! I’m beside myself!

They should just draft another proposal… Let there be a legal Union for homosexuals under the law-however it should Not be under religion.

@ jojo: EXACTLY.

problem solved

What is wrong with gay people adopting children???

Is it a better example for the children to have no parents, or one, or an abusive parent, or parents that fight all the time? I know plenty of perfectly stable people who were raised by same saex couples. Probably more stable then most of the “traditionally raised” people I know. SMA.

Phlegm-

I don’t see why these two minority groups are taking the blame— The majority WHITE mostly REPUBLICANS vote heavily against this!!!!!!

Redd Tony aka Earth Sign “When everybody thinks alike, nobody is really thinking”

I do think its wrong for homosexuals to adopt kids though, because what example are they setting for the children?

You mean like the nurturing and loving example/environment that Julia Hudson and William Balfour set for Julian Hudson?

I’m all for partnership…but marriage? NOPE ain’t feelin’ it!

Phlegm-

The irony?? People voted based on their religious upbringing— and due to that, that’s why the proposition did not pass— now tell me where in the bible does it discriminate against color?? Exactly- but it does discriminate against homosexuality–so therefore there is no irony

@Phlegm

You must be gay and want to justify your demons…I’m not the one sweetie…you feel how you feel and I feel how I feel…feel me?

Nothing you can say will change my mind…NOTHING!

And don’t change this from apples into oranges…it is what it is…WRONG…

No two same sex people should be thinking about marriage or even having sex…but if that’s what you do then do you!

As someone who voted yes on Prop 8, I did so not because I don’t want gay people to be married (hell, I made a mockery of the institution myself), but because I didn’t appreciate that the previous vote was overturned. When the people vote on something, it should stick. Nobody overturned the vote to ban affirmative action.

Ran

Who wrote the bible?

Marriage violates the separation of church & state. We should ALL have civil unions & leave it up to individual churches to decide on marriage.

This is not an assault on the church by gays. They just want basic rights for them & their partners.

And as a side note: I am sick of gay people trying to compare their struggle with that of African-Americans. You chose to be gay, black people were born black. When applying for a job, a gay person can hide the fact that he/she is gay, but a black person cannot hide his skin color. See the difference?

@CCW

ALL MARRIAGES DO NOT END IN DIVORCE…IDIOT…go read a book!

@ Redd Tony aka Earth Sign

You’re my boy and all but gays don’t have sex in front of their kids, no more that straight people do, or take them to the club trolling for men. I’ve seen teenage mothers in bklyn smoking with their infants strapped to their chests, see where I’m going.

I’m black and gay,but I’m considered very masculine and I’m in a 5-year relationship with another equally masculine dude. I say all that to say that stereotypes and religion are fuelling alot of these heated discussions.

Let me clear up a few myths: To that idiot that posted earlier (from Bklyn)

1. Most gay men and women were not molested or seduced by a family member or friend into becoming gay.

2. We are not pedophiles, (She mentioned not letting them near her children)we like men not children.

3. I knew that I was gay at 7, yes 7. I was that self-aware, but I also knew that i had to keep that realization to myself.

4. Everyone on here waving the bible as justification for hateful action, ask youself, when was the last time I did something that little baby Jesus would be proud of?

I’ll close with this, why would I choose to be black and gay. It’s not so much about marriage but the rights that marriage affords. My boyfriend had to lie and say he was my cousin when I went to the hospital to have my tonsils removed. We all want our relationships to matter and be recognized, is that too much to ask?

You people are confused. The Supreme Court’s primary function is to uphold the Constitution, not religious or moral beliefs.

They overturned the initial Prosposition banning gay marriage due to its’ unconstitutional merits.

Haven’t you idiots ever heard of SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE?

Listen first off….half of you on here and not on here arent even eduacated on the civil rights movement or wary of it enough to know that the concepts are the same. Do you know that during the harlem renaissance which is one of the most defining moment in black history was sparked by gay poets and performers that were on the dl from family. Homosexuality has been around and has been a concern for more than we were all born. We may not have been forced to work in fields like my fellow ancestors, but just like my fellow ancestors, we endure the same prosecution and ignorance that my ancestors did. By calling someone homo, fag, or queer (which by deffinition have nothing to do with homosexuality) you offend what our country as a whole grew from. We have just elected a black president and that president is for gay marriage. I actually got to meet him last summer and he is supporting gay marriage on a belief that it’s only right. I would be more okay if it was other races like asian or white but they show more love than black people. Im a black gay man and i feel ashamed that my fellow african americans cant respect there race as a whole because of a preference. I was born this way and will always be this way. All i want is to be respected by my people. I have my family and friends that love me to death but in the end i can never feel whole if MY PEOPLE continue to hurt me. This is a new day and a new age; old beliefs are now old beliefs look at the president of the united states damnit!!! we have grown as a whole. Especially black men!! half of the black population of men are either bi or gay anyway so lets cut that out. Focus on the murderers and the rappers, or maybe even your own life. I think everyone deserves the right to LIVE y should you me or the next person have a say so in how people live thier lives.. We say its time for change….but are we really changing??????

So if you didn’t want gay people to get married, why ELSE would you vote yes? everyone who voted YES are just ignorant on the prop itself. We are not advocating homosexuality, we are allowing them to have rights like every other American in this country. If two men or two women are together for many years and lets say one passes away, the partner has no claim to the life they spent building together! Do you think thats fair? Yes as minorities the Latinos and Blacks should be ashamed of themselves. The gays shouldn’t have to suffer because of their homophobia.

A legal Union would do, bind by laws of the State– however, to mess up religion by getting married under God, causes upheaval among MANY!

I am an African-American man who happens to be gay. I’ve seen so much hate and misinformation in this comment section that I was hesitant to submit this comment but, decided I would give it a try.

First, regarding the assertion that individuals choose to live as homosexuals; I would like to assure you that you haven’t suffered the pain and indignities that I have over several decades of trying to live “straight” in an unsuccessful attempt not to “choose” to live as a gay man. If this was a choice, I assure you I would have chosen differently. The lies, the self-hate,the self-denial, the pain caused to women who you try to date and to whom you must lie, the shame, the thoughts of suicide, the nasty comments from those who make them in your presence, unaware that they are speaking about you. The hostility that I see in some comments is partly the reason that so many black men who are gay hide their true sexual orientation, live on the “down low” and end up infecting many black women with the deadliest sexually transmitted diseases. The latest AIDS statistics reveal that black women are the fastest growing segment of the population being infected and black men are still being infected in disproportionately high numbers. Why? Because they are hiding their true sexual identity in the mistaken belief that they can still consider themselves “striaght” because they are also having sex with women.

I am fortunate that I had enough support that I did not take my own life after I was caught by my fiance and had to admit who I really was. Although I have not evolved to the point of seeking “gay marriage”, I understand those who would like the opportunity to inherit joint property, to be able to make decisiosn about the medical care of their partners, to quality for medical benefits, to have the dignity that any other couple that love each other have.

While I may not have chahnged any minds on this subject, all I ask of you is “DON’T JUDGE”.

I’m for gay marriage. I doesn’t affect my life and it shouldn’t affect others. But to blame blacks for this in my opinion is offensive and counter productive. Latinos, Asian, and Whites represent the majority of the population in Cali, so blacks being singled out is unfair in my opinion. And from what I have read, the people who were for Prop. 8 did a better job of campaigning for it, even though a lot of their ads were dishonest and offensive and they misrepresented Obama’s position on it to get blacks to vote yes (He personally believes that marriage is between man and woman, but believes in gay rights and their right to marry). It’s just disturbing hearing the blame for Prop. 8 passing being put on blacks, when each race could of done a lot more to make sure it didn’t pass.

I am out here in california, and i agree this is a dam shame… is 2008 and we cant even give every one equal rights…. this is a issue of religious beliefs and it should never be an item in the government… the problem, however is that the morman church spend 80 million dollars, tricking people into being scared of gay marriage… I am so proud of our election of Barack Obama, but dam, in California of all places we cant give a gay couple their rights…. noone can make a good argument about why gay marriage should be banned, because it is simply discrimination

Phlegm

you sound bitter and upset….sorry, people have views and beliefs that may not coincide with yours….the point is just because I am Black and therefore a minority does not mean that I have cosign with the gay community…who in the world said that those two groups should ever be linked??!!!….and in this day and age of free speech I don’t believe in same sex marriage…or same sex period….but that is MY opinion and belief…

@ Phlegm

I have heard your statement before….but when I heard it..it was used as a reason why BLACK PEOPLE should not pro create. I guess being Black and being gay have all of the sudden become equivalent? Did you know that statistically its easier for a Gay white couple to adopt faster than a black straight couple or a black gay couple?

Phlegm

You people are confused. The Supreme Court’s primary function is to uphold the Constitution, not religious or moral beliefs.

They overturned the initial Prosposition banning gay marriage due to its’ unconstitutional merits.

Haven’t you idiots ever heard of SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE?

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Separtation of Church and State- I agree 100%

I just would never understand why GAYS want to get married UNDER GOD? It’s hard to separate Church and State when something like this -is opposing a way of life that the bible is clearly against on the Church….

therefore like I said, it should be legally bind- but keep it out of the church

I think there is a huge issue being overlooked in this entire debate. The deal isn’t with whom someone loves or marries the bigger issue has to do with Property/Asset management and Health Care.

The difference between a marriage and civil union is who can legally claim property in case of a death or divorce & the ability to obtain a Health Care plain that covers both partners has a couple.

So the bigger thing is do we as a country believe same-sex couples deserve the same marriage rights as a heterosexual couple.

Anonymous3 – the fire sign

Idiot, it’s not a question of co-signing with their lifestyle, it’s a question of basic human equality and constitutional rights as Americans. Keep your religion and your skewed morality at home and don’t bring it to the voting booth.

oh and here we go…whenver the bible is brought up some gays don’t want to hear about it…they would rather stick their head in the sand…..the bible says that same sex is an abomination…and I’m not talking about sodom (we all know the word that came from Sodom) and Gomorah….the bible says that those who practice same sex will burn in hell…but some choose to throw that portion of the bible away because it upsets their sensibilities….you don’t have to be a bible thumper to understand what was written and what you accept

Phelgm

you’re the idiot on here trying to get people to believe what you believe….can I change your mind??? probably not….the same goes….do what the Black community has had to do for equal rights and constitutional rights….leave everybody else alone

@ LOVELY ONE & BLAQ… i am from california, and you must be misinformed… the morman church is spending 10s of millions of dollars to try to make it illegal… gays are not trying to get their right to be married in a church. they are trying to get the right to be married by the state… you know, like a MARRIAGE LICENCE!!! the state has no reason to exclude gays from this right. in no way would this require churches to change anything. but here everyone goes, demonizing the gay people… man they sure are bullies GTFOH. i think you are forgetting that there was a time when blacks and women had to fight for basic rights.

@ Oshie (I like em brown, yellow, Puero Rican or Hatian, my name is Osh Kosh from the Zulu Nation)

I agree it does say that in the Old Testament but with the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ we are no longer under the law this is why we do not sacrifice animals or observe the Sabbath. We’re saved by grace in Jesus and his sacrifice was done once and for all however in Romans it says that doesn’t give us the right to deliberately sin.

Romans 6:1-4

1What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? 2By no means! We died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? 3Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.

Also what is consistent is that is the New Testament continues to state homesexuals will not inherit the kingdom of heaven.

1 Corinthians 6:9

9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders

So like I said until someone proves the bible is uninspired or that people are born gay a lot of people won’t support that lifestyle.

We believe in God and it is his will not ours…cuz like I said I personally don’t care what people do with their bodies, I didn’t create them.

Dispite popular belief, the bible was interpreted and written by MAN – Who might add, is FLAWED.

@ Jessica: Great, then we agree, it is for God to sort out and not you.

In the mean time, this is America and you are free to vote as you choose, but deep in your heart think about whether you are doing the right thing.

If you are truly an Obama supporter and a Christian you will be both a supporter of Gay marriage and of human rights.

well put Jessica

Anonymous3 – the fire sign

Sigh. You still don’t get it. It’s not about one’s subjective belief (born out of some archaic judeo-christian belief system), it’s about the Constitution – Where every man and woman is looked upon as EQUAL!

@Phlegm

You are write it was written by man but even the tablets inscribed by God himself given to Moses on Mt Sinai were still disregarded as nothing.

So your excuse that a man wrote it thus it is flawed is not accpetable. Find one inconsistency and I will believe that it is uninspired. In fact it would free alot of people from the fear of the consequences of sin. Please free us, show me the flaws or the errors please because after all my studies I have yet to find error. You either believe it or you don’t but it has no errors.

This further solidifies my belief that it is from God because people are just too imperfect to write something so well and prophetic over that length of time.

2 Peter 1:20,21

20Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation. 21For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE!!!!!! why is everyone on here debating about religion… this is government… no one is trying to change your religion.. dam i swear, people forget why america was started in the first place… so that people would have the freedom to believe whatever they want or dont want to… that means that no one religion should have any say in government.

people will accept what they will. i find it disheartening and would have hoped for more tolerance from a society that has been and continues to be heavily oppressed. i will always have nothing but empathy for anyone who suffers discrimination, especially when it prevents them from their rights to life…the pursuit of liberty and happiness.

in my opinion any two consenting adults should be able to marry. how is love…in any form…damaging the sanctity of marriage? people that feel homosexuality is a sin-that is your interpretation and your right to feel that way. people that feel homosexuality is a choice or selected lifestyle-that too is your opinion. i won’t knock how any one feels about it, it’s a controversial issue and differences in opinion are to be expected. i personally just try to live my life and pass as little judgement on my peers as possible. we are given such a short time on this beautiful earth, spend the time constructively rather than to hate, judge, oppress, engage in bigotry…

not too long ago interracial marriage was illegal.

thank you for your insight Anthony!!!

*by society…i meant specifically the black community

Jessica

PAGAN, PLEEEZE!

Prop No. 8 proponents should have had better ads.

Phlegm…. *sigh* and look at how far Black people had to overcome the quote un quote equality of the constitution….all I’m saying is don’t ride the coat tails of other minorities for your rights…do your own thing…I think it’s ridiculous that the gay community would get upset with Blacks and Hispanics

people can blame prop 8 for not passing on Blacks all they want, but the truth of the matter is we were not the ones pouring millions of $$ into the prop 8 campaign. the $$ came from white people, so let’s not get confused. the morman church is the organization that funded “yes on prop 8,” so why aren’t any fingers being pointed at them??

I live in Cali, I’m Black and I consider myself a Christian. With that said…

I voted NO on 8!

There is NO REASON why gay people shouldn’t be able to get married! I’m straight and I don’t see how their being married effects me. People need to get a life. If you don’t believe in gay marriage then DON’T MARRY YOUR SAME SEX!

And as for all these arguments that gay marriage will confirm “gayness” in the eyes of children… I’ve got news for you…

GAY PEOPLE EXIST!

You cannot shelter your children from lesbians and gays their whole life! All they need to do is turn on television and they’re EVERYWHERE!

The prop to overturn gay marriage in my state was largely funded by freakin Mormons in Utah. Utah! Because they want to preserve the “tradition of marriage”… because ALL Mormons who live in Utah SO PRACTICE “traditional marriage”. So don’t take on multiple brides… some of them sisters!

Get that f**k outta here!!! I’m truly disappointed in my state. California voted to limit the civil liberties of gays and lesbians but voted for “more humane treatment” of farm animals!!!

(sigh)

People just need to live their lives…

Live and let live dammit!

-Jaye ;-/

All this “its a choice” is such quaint oldschool ignorance. It’s like the old white folk in the 60s who said blacks didn’t need special rights because its their choice to be here and not move back to Africa. (I guess the latinos can move back to Latinoland?) Anyway the good news is that educated black people voted against Prop 8 in much higher numbers.

@ just saying…. you must not have heard… the morman church aka the richest church in the world, were the ones backing yes on prop… so how are the no on prop 8 people supposed to compete?? and they actually had great commercials, they just couldnt afford to run them on every station like the yes people did… and if you believe that is how people should make their minds up, based on who has the best/most commercials, i feel bad for you… cause you will never truly understand any of the issues

Anonymous3 – the fire sign

Phlegm…. *sigh* and look at how far Black people had to overcome the quote un quote equality of the constitution….all I’m saying is don’t ride the coat tails of other minorities for your rights…do your own thing…I think it’s ridiculous that the gay community would get upset with Blacks and Hispanics

Nov 7, 2008 – 12:01 pm flower_girl

people can blame prop 8 for not passing on Blacks all they want, but the truth of the matter is we were not the ones pouring millions of $$ into the prop 8 campaign. the $$ came from white people, so let’s not get confused. the morman church is the organization that funded “yes on prop 8,” so why aren’t any fingers being pointed at them??

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THE GAY COMMUNITY DID NOT MAKE ANY STATEMENT ABOUT THE BLACK COMMUNITY.

This was one statement made by one random nobody who happens to be gay… or not! He could be straight! Who knows! Who cares! Not me!!!

Fine nobody is trying to prove a religion but those of us that believe in God do not just do whatever we want, voting included, when we believe our life will one day be brought into judgement.

However I do believe in the separation of Church and State. I would hope that we can have the freedom to choose whatever lifestyle we want with protection and equal rights from the law.

And I don’t want anyone impressing upon me their beliefs. I love the freedom of choice in this Country just don’t ask me to vote against my God’s Word, I won’t do it. Many others feel the same way even if they don’t admit it. It is what it is.

If there is a way for you to pass those laws without support from bible believers then do it. I really don’t care I just don’t want to be accountable for supportiing it to my God and many other Black and Latino’s obviously feel the same way…

Our hands are tied.

Y’all kill me trying to justify your damn FREAKINESS…that’s why AIDS is so rampant…SMDH.

There is a clear and destinct seperation of church and state in the constitution and it should be upheld.

If you believe that God ordained for man and woman to be married that is fantastic but ALL Americans do not believe in God.

Although the African American endured discrimination on a larger scales hate crimes and murders against homosexual are very similar those of our ancestors.

If straight love is so devine and powerful I say we end divorce and allow all straight people to be locked into their sacred, God sent, love of my life, til death do us part marriages.

Finally granted gays civil unions is the same as having a white entrance and a black entrance. Everyone gets to the same place just through different means.

This is nothing like the issues blacks face.

Marriage is, and has been, defined as the union of a man and a woman. Instead of complaining and trying to redefine marriage, they are demanding marriage be given a whole new definition. NO WAY!

I don’t care what people do behind closed doors. Gays should have a legally bonding partnership option. Don’t call it marriage. It isn’t.

Gays love to point out their lifestyles are not lifestyles, but how they were born. Other practitioners of taboo lifestyles, including polygamy and relationships with the very young, are illegal, yet if gays are given rights, those other alternative lifestyles could demand the same rights using the same arguments.

At what point do we, as a responsible society, put our foot down and stop legalizing everything just because some people want to be able to do it?There are legal issues here which must be addressed. This situation could blow the doors wide open for numerous laws against unaccepted relationships to be legalized. Incest laws, statutory rape laws, bigamy laws, polygamy laws could all be shot down if gay marriage is legalized, where it has been banned in several states already.

Some of us support equal rights, but are looking at the big picture. Where do equal rights stop and forbidding morally questionable behavior begin. Law is in part based on moral beliefs. Do we take morality out of law completely and say anything and everything is legal because denying someone the right to do it is stepping on their rights?

again cosign Jessica….however I don’t agree with the separation of church and state….however if you want to get down with the same sex then that is your business…but don’t bring your business to me and I won’t bring my business to you

@ Jessica:

“And I don’t want anyone impressing upon me their beliefs. ”

Really??? Me neither! Weird….

“I love the freedom of choice in this Country just don’t ask me to vote against my God’s Word”

No one is asking you to “vote against God”, in fact, no one is asking you to vote!

“If there is a way for you to pass those laws without support from bible believers then do it.”

There are many “bible believers” who support these laws, Barack Obama, for one…

“I really don’t care I just don’t want to be accountable for supportiing it to my God and many other Black and Latino’s obviously feel the same way…”

I seriously doubt that when you get to Heaven St. Peter will be there saying, “Ok, Jessica, how did you vote on that proposition…” It’s more important to live a good life and do unto others as you would have done unto yourself, love thy neighbor, you know, all that stuff engraved on those tablets you were talking about…

Afiya – THIS IS A BRAND NEW DAY…WE DOIN’ IT IN A BRAND NEW WAY…CLIMB ABOARD!

Y’all kill me trying to justify your damn FREAKINESS…that’s why AIDS is so rampant…SMDH.

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AIDS is spread these days by IGNORANCE, not homosexuals.

Hey Afiya: Ooogity boogity I’m gay! Boo!

@ Afiya

Aids is rampant because some are still engaging in unprotected sex.

You sound very uneducated, AIDS is no longer a gay or str8 disease. That’s why so many are contracting the virus thinking it can’t happen to them.

@ AFIYA…. aids did not spread because of freakiness of gay people… it is continuing to spread because of irresponsible people of all sexual orientations and races… dont blame the gay community, there are people out there that blame the black community and im sure you wouldnt like that. you sound just as bad as those people.

@ Oshie (I like em brown, yellow, Puero Rican or Hatian, my name is Osh Kosh from the Zulu Nation)

Whatever I don’t care what anyone thinks they are imperfect and in need of salvation just like me, Barack Obama included. The wages of sin is death and all have fallen short of the glory of God and he now commands everyone to repent everywhere.

My beliefs guide my steps as do yours not Barack Obama or Oprah or anybody else for that matter.

& What does loving my neighbor have to do with voting against my beliefs? If you ask me I voted in favor of my neighbors soul not against it.

@Jessica…

“If there is a way for you to pass those laws without support from Bible believers then do it.”

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In fact there WAS a way to bring about gay marriage in this state without the support of Bible believers. The California Supreme Court instated gay marriage and people from Utah raised money to, not only strip it from the law books, but to add a Constitutional amendment to BAN GAY MARRIAGE. I don’t know about you but I consider that very hateful.

I am a Christian as well and I HATE when people hide behind that. Christ said that no one sin is greater than another! And according to the Bible no one on this earth is free of sin. So if the argument is that gay marriage is a sin… gay people will not be judged anymore harshly that someone who participates in pre-marital sex.

“Let he who is without sin cast the first stone”

No one is free of sin…

So where are all these “judgment stones” coming from?

-Jaye ;-/

OK… Lord help me…

1. The gay struggle should not be compared to the civil rights struggle because it is extremely insulting and belittling of those who have gone before us. The current social climate which gay people are fighting against is far more accepting of homosexuality than the culture in which civil rights pioneers like MLK and Malcolm X found themselves in was accepting of racial equality! Also, the idea that we have triumphed over social injustice and owe others assistance in achieving the same is not just stupid,it is not true. For goodness sake, the struggle for racial equality is still not over! An amazing black man is going to the white house to prove that we can be anything we want to be but some idiot is still calling him the n word on the internet for everyone to hear! After such a historic achievement, he is still seen as inferior by some. For this reason, black people are not indebted to gay people in any way because we still have a fight on our hands, and any suggestion otherwise is ridiculous.

2. Religion is not a supermarket where people can pick and choose what suits them- plus GOD IS SEPARATE FROM THE STATE. We can’t bring God into our children’s classrooms but we can bring God into the case against gay marriage? I don’t think so. If Christian values are followed strictly, does that mean that sex before marriage etc should be outlawed as well? We all know how likely that is to happen. Religion is separate from state law and should not be hidden behind when condemning homosexuality- that would be the height of hypocrisy.

SO… basically, the claims made by these gay rights activists may be irritatingly presumptuous, BUT based on social and legal reasons they cannot be denied certain rights because we do not live in the Christian States of America.

so because im black i have to accept your alternative lifestyle? here is some advice, if you want to get married, marry someone of the opposite sex. Yes on 8 and Go Obama!

@ Jaye….AMEN!!!! That was perfectly put.

I live in Cali…

My mother is a registered Democrat. Obama actually sent a robocall to her house urging Democrats to vote No on 8.

-Jaye ;-/

actually Jaye

if you read the bible you will not that premarital sex is not considered a sin….but there arerestrictions…if you lay with someone that you are not married to then you must marry them…..people, people…..not everyone is going to believe in gay rights…period….however, how you choose to live your life is your choice…do I have to agree with and vote for it….Nope

Its the Foosa

so because im black i have to accept your alternative lifestyle? here is some advice, if you want to get married, marry someone of the opposite sex. Yes on 8 and Go Obama!

It ain’t about you or you accepting a lifestyle that ultimately doesn’t affect you one way or the other.

It’s about the constitutional rights afforded to every American Citizen. Aren’t they teaching basic Civics and Government in school anymore?

@Jaye

I agree the wages of sin is death…all sins even pre-marital sex.

Hey I didn’t write the Bible in fact I sometimes wish it never existed because so many people including myself struggle with the words in it. I am just not about to say it isn’t true, I can’t and I won’t know the truth about it until i die anyway. Until then it is always gonna be something I can’t just disregard.

I’m a heterosexual female who believes in freedom of choice across the board. I was disappointed with Cali and quite frankly surprised that they passed Prop 8. Let the gay community’s unions be recognized, I mean WTF? Stop calling it a choice too because it’s not. Do you think they would choose this ridicule and discrimination? Do some of us have a choice to be black? Hell no, so cut it out! People can love whoever they want regardless of what you or I think about it and our moral stance. I know how certain peeps are in the black community when it comes to this subject and the bible verses are quick to fly, lol. My friends do it and it drives me nuts. I think about how we were denied sooooo much. I would never want to deny anyone like that. This is precisely why you have the whole DL situation. People won’t accept them so they hide their lifestyle! I just want everyone to be happy damn it, lol. Seriously though. I also think it’s ridiculous that people don’t want them to adopt children, WTF? You’d rather have children go without parents and remain in the system than let a couple who would love and provide for them take them in? It’s stupid! This country still has a long way to go!

what does make me feel a little better though, is the fact that the supreme court of my state will probably just overturn this decision like they did last time

@ Serious

No one is hanging you from a tree or hosing you down either. No one is asking for anyone to accept gay lifestyle. But to discriminate against a group and have that written into the constitution is absurd. It’s wonderful that Obama was elected. But it’s a double-edged sword. A lot of very unintelligent voters showed up on election day. People who simply voted on race. Given the issues, any intelligent voter would have voted for Obama anyway. He would have won regardless in my opinion. I myself am not gay but am really disappointed in the govt and people of california. This would never have passed in another election year. Thanks guys!

@ Anonymous3 – the fire sign

and

@Jessica

“if you read the bible you will note that premarital sex is not considered a sin….but there arerestrictions…if you lay with someone that you are not married to then you must marry them…”

Sorry but I’ve studied the Bible and was in Sunday school for a very long time. Are you telling me that the Christian Church does not consider pre-marital sex a sin? Lets say I do give you that one… just looking at the Ten Commandments we ALL can find SOMETHING we are guilty of?

Am I saying that people who don’t believe in gay marriage should be force to believe? Am I saying that devout Christians who believe gay marriage is a sin should be forced to go against their beliefs?

NO!

What I’m saying is… IT WAS LAW! The fact that people banded together to strip it from law and add a Constitutional Amendment to ban it is…

HATEFUL!

People have a right to live the way they see fit. And not ALL people are Christian. So if you want to talk about “imposing beliefs” I would say gays and lesbians were the ONLY ones “imposed” on with this ballot.

And I’m not even gay or lesbian… but to see people band together to restrict the rights of others…

THAT’S JUST WRONG!

-Jaye ;-/

THIS IS REALLY A HARD ONE TO COMMENT ON, BUT I’LL TRY. I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE TURNED OFF BY THE FACT THAT IT SEEMED AS THOUGH GAY MARRIAGE WOULD BE TAUGHT IN SCHOOLS AND MANY STRAIGHT COUPLES OPPOSED THAT AND I WOULD TOO HONESTLY BECAUSE THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH EDUCATION. THAT SHOULD BE DISCUSSED BETWEEN PARENTS AND CHILDREN. ALSO THE IDEALS OF MARRIAGE CONSTITUTIONALLY WAS BASED OFF OF WHAT WAS SAID IN THE BIBLE WHICH WAS BETWEEN MAN AND WOMAN AND PEOPLE WANT TO PROTECT THAT WORD FOR WORD SO I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT VIEW.

NOW I DO BELIEVE THAT THE IDEALS OF CIVIL UNIONS SHOULD BE MORE EXTENSIVE IN ALLOWING THE PARTNER TO MAKE MAJOR DECISIONS IN HOSPITALS, TAX FORMS ETC. SO IF ANYTHING CIVIL UNIONS SHOULD BE CONSTITUTIONALLY RECOGNIZED AS SUCH. IF IT’S RIGHTS THAT YOU WANT THEN WHY ARE YOU FIGHTING FOR THE MARRIAGE TITLE. WHY NOT FIGHT FOR MORE RIGHTS WITHIN CIVIL UNIONS?

I DON’T HAVE ROOM TO JUDGE BECAUSE GOD DOES NOT WANT US TO DO SO, BUT I WILL SAY NO SIN IS GREATER THAN ANOTHER AND ALSO NO SIN CAN BE JUSTIFIED BY THAT SCRIPTURE. I’M SURE YOU PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHAT I MEAN. YOU WILL HAVE YOUR OWN INDIVIDUAL JUDGEMENT DAY. ALSO PLEASE DON’T COMPARE THIS INSTANCE WITH THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT. THEY ARE NOTHING CLOSE TO BEING SIMILAR.

They need to stop getting mad because what’s done is done. that’s the opinion that they have so why are they getting so mad? Also, if this country was so free, why do people have to fight for the right to marry who they want? The govt. should not get involved with people’s personal affairs. I’m not for Gay marriage, but I think they should have the RIGHT to choose to do that if they want. And they shouldn’t get mad if someone votes against it because just like they have feelings, other people do, too.

jrod

I live in Cali and listen to a lot of the conservative radio stations, and they with the exception of Rush Limbaugh, were all shocked that Prop. 8 passed. As is, it was a close race, but due to the ill informed first time voting of most blacks and latinos + their (obvious) archaic religious beliefs and skewed values (where sexuality is concerned) pushed Prop 8, 4% past the nays.

@Phelgm

At the time the constitution was written, they didnt have to say that a marrige was between anything other than a man and a women, because, well, only men and women married. Me voting yes on 8 doesnt deny gays their constitutional right to marrige as many try to put it, what voting yes on 8 does to the california constitution is explicitly state that a “marrige is between a man and a women”…thats it.

and please leave the presumptious comments about what people are learning in school out of this.

I think there may be some confusion on the site…

Yes on 8= Ban gay marriage

No on 8= Allow gay marriage

@Jaye

Hey Jaye disprove the bible and next time a whole lot of people will vote for the rights of gay marriage including myself and that’s the truth.

We have the right to believe what the bible says in this country and we have the right to excercise our votes. Until you disprove the bible many things won’t change about gay marriage or legalizing prostitution.

& I don’t hate anyone I told you before I am tied to my doubts that the bible may be true and until you release me and a whole lot of other people from this idea our hands are tied.

Lastly please set us free.

And on top of that for ARKANSAS.. to pass a similar law to ban gays and lesbians from adopting.. that to me is so damn ridiculous considering the fact that WE the GLBT communtity take in, love, and nurture the children that you STRAIGHT black men and women have no regard for is fuccing insane. Its official the world is really coming to an end.. at least We gays make it more fashionable.

What I find particularly interesting is that people who do not agree with gay marriage are all for a “union” which will afford gays and lesbians the equal rights of marriage. So…

Separate but equal?

-Jaye :-/

First of all how is it when gays are challenged the first thing they want to do is to compare their struggle to black civil rights struggle. NEWS FLASH GAY PEOPLE: NO COMPARISON!! Yes i believe being gay is a choice not like race. The only way you can get me to believe it is if you tell me that you cannot physically have heterosexual sex. Sounds ridiculous doesn’t it.

@Jessica

Last post… I swear! LOL

I don’t think you’re hateful and I don’t think your decision is based on hate. When I used the word hateful I was referring to people, like Mormons in Utah, who funneled money into California to restrict the rights of others. The law was passes. For them to come along and wage a campaign to restrict the rights of others and reverse it is hateful.

So like I said. I don’t think you’re hateful. My mom is a devout Christian and does not agree with gay marriage one bit… but she also does not agree with restricting the rights of others so she left that proposition blank.

-Jaye ;-/

Its the Foosa

*what voting yes on 8 does to the california constitution is explicitly state that a “marrige is between a man and a women”…thats it.

And that’s why (in all probability) the Supreme Crt. will overturn it again because of the unconstitutionality of it.

It’s over with, it’s done, so the gay community needs to get over it and stop getting mad. Just like they have their opinions, other people have theres’, too. I’m not for gay marriage, but I think they should be able to choose that if they want to. People are mixing the church with govt. and that’s not right. That’s their personal affairs. Let them do what they want. Also, if this country is so Free, why do people have to fight for their rights?

We have a lot of problems.

**COCOBARBIE**

You said

“I actually voted against Prop 8 because if you live in the State of California they were talking about if it passed then they would be teaching young children about princes marrying princes and so on. I have a very bright 6 year old son and I am sorry I do not want him going to school learning that. That was a BIG deal for myself as well as people that I know. I really don’t care about gays marrying, but don’t teach that to my child!!”

Do you lack critical thinking skills? If you VOTE AGAINST PROP 8, it means you support same-sex marriages. YOu have to vote IN SUPPORT (YES) on Prop 8 if you want to ban same-sex marriages. Sorry, but you’re not intelligent, in other simple words, you’re dumb. The California Teacher’s Association supports voting No on 8 (against Prop 8) and came out and said they do not teach children anything about marriage. The “talk” about teaching children that Princes can marry Princes is propoganda from the Yes on 8 supporters.

Even if people don’t believe in same-sex relationships and are homophobic (though no one likes to admit they are hateful), NO ONE SHOULD DENY OTHERS THE RIGHT TO MARRY SOMEONE!! Everyone should take a history lesson and learn that not too long ago, California laws prohibited interracial marriages and didn’t allow minorities to own land. What’s the difference now? You all say “I believe marriage is between a man and woman”.. Yeah, you’re entitled to your own opinions and beliefs, but WHY WOULD YOU IMPOSE YOUR BELIEFS ON OTHERS, AND IN THIS CASE, THE GOVERMENT?!?!

I swear, if one more person says being Gay is a choice I’m going to punch someone in the face. Who on EARTH would choose this!? So many other countries and states have this legal, and the world hasn’t imploded. I’m going to agree with Melissa Etheridge on the one – if I don’t get the same rights as my next door neighbor, then I’m not paying my taxes. Why should I pay taxes when I don’t have the same rights – thats sounds like taxation without representation to me. If you don’t like it, don’t marry a gay person. period. this is ridiculous. its 2008. wake up. Do you think people would be fighting this hard for it if they could just “choose” to be with the opposite sex? And for those who want to say that the black struggle is nothing like the gay struggle you are ignorant as hell. The amount of hate crimes against gays are STAGGERING and millions have been killed for being gay over the years. MILLIONS. I’m disgusted during a week I should be so proud. Obama was a great achievment but sh!t like this shows how for behind our country really is and how far we still have to go.

P.S. I want everyone who has a gay person in their life, whether its a family member, a hairdresser, a lawyer, a coworker to say to their FACE that they don’t deserve the same CIVIL RIGHTS as the rest of America. It’s easy to hide behind a ballot.

minorities voting yes on prop 8 is the same as voting yes for jim crow. idiots.

Rainbow Baby,

I THINK IT’S VERY SUPERFICIAL AND GENERIC TO BLAME BABIES IN THE SYSTEM ON JUST BLACK PEOPLE. I’VE BEEN TO MANY AGENCIES BECAUSE MY GRANDMOTHER ADOPTED CHILDREN ALL THE TIME, AND THEY WERE OF ALL RACES SO PLEASE STOP IT.

Jaye,

YOU CAN ALSO FLIP THAT QUESTION AND SAY THAT IF IT’S THE RIGHTS YOU WANT, WHY FIGHT SO HARD FOR THE WORD AND RECOGNITION OF A TITLE CALLED MARRIAGE?

TO ME MARRIAGE HOLDS A MORE BIBLICAL MEANING IN ITS DEFINITION.

A CIVIL UNION, IF DONE CORRECTLY GIVES HOMOSEXUALS HUMAN RIGHTS (ALTHOUGH IT HAS NOT BEEN THOUGHT OUT FULLY). I THOUGHT THAT’S WHAT THE FIGHT IS ABOUT.

@ LADY ARCHITECH…. what you were saying about education, is the exact reason why people need to be better informed. that is all a scare tactic. Gay marriage has been legal in california for the last year or so… and guess what… there was nothing being taught in schools. i totally agree with you that it is parents job to teach their kids about sex, marriage etc. but kids know way more these days, and it is 2008 things are different. there is gonna be a day when being gay is not a stigma. my stepmom is an elementary teacher, she has been for about 5-6 yrs now, and she has had at least 1 child who had gay parents in every single class she taught… so again guess what.. kids are not stupid, they are gonna learn about homosexuality regardless of whether gay marriage is legal or not

Oh, one more thing – no amendement to the CONSTITUTION should be able to pass with just 51% of the vote. Thats the difference between people not being able to vote b/c they had to work and such. It should be win by at least 70%. THAT is a true majority win.

also… the word marriage may hold biblical meaning, but it is used for atheists who get married too? so why cant gay couples just go down to the courthouse and get a marriage licence? if that is the case, the government should change the word marriage in their books, leave that word to religious marriage ceremonies, and eveyone can use the same word when they get a “marriage licence”.

porterwayne757 – you must be gay, b/c you, physically, are able to have homosexual sex.

Oh, and you must also be an idiot.

The funny thing is…

This is NOT over. After all this hoopla the Supreme Court will probably overturn this decision. The margin in which this prop was passed was VERY SLIM. Gays and lesbians have already filed lawsuits. According to law… this classifies as a restriction of civil liberties.

We live in a pluralistic society. One of many religions, some which include agnostic beliefs. Although I am a Christian I understand there is a separation of church and state in this country. You cannot bring the Biblical argument into the courtroom. And since that’s the ONLY leg the opposition has to stand on… eventually gay marriage will be allowed.

And that’s just the truth.

-Jaye ;-/

12345,

I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU MEAN. I WAS JUST SAYING THAT PEOPLE MADE IT SEEM THAT WAY. EVEN WHEN YOU RESEARCH IT ONLINE FOR SOMEONE WHO LIVES IN ANOTHER STATE LIKE MYSELF, IT SAYS IT EVERYWHERE AND TO ME THE HOMOSEXUAL COMMUNITY DIDN’T DO A GREAT JOB OF SHOWING PEOPLE THAT IT DIDN’T MEAN THAT. THAT’S ALL I’M SAYING.

Race and sexual preference ultimately cannot be compared, but when you agree with not allowing another group of people the same rights as yourself, that makes you a bigot.

I’m calling out some of the BIGOTS who already posted (and you are bigots):

Serious

blackwoman

Kitty

XP

DA TRUFF!!!

LaSabre84

asil

WordtotheWise

outsider

Nicole

Well…

Roni

J0EY BISHOP

PURPPLE

M

Kompton’s Kutie

(there’s more, but I don;t have enough time)

Do yourself a favor and do some soul searching. Gays are being discriminated against. Their sexual preference is not your business.

It’s good people are discussing this though. I think a balance between being reigious and being tolerant can be met. I like what Lee said. He is Muslim, by the way.

hey k-i’m pretty hetero just go ask your mother about it.

I think gay people should have the right to do what they want. Their marriages would probably last longer than a man and a woman’s anyway. Besides this is America and everybody has equal rights including homosexuals and no one should deny them that. If they don’t want gay people to get married because of religious beliefs then that’s you and your religion’s business. In America we have a right to choose our religion too. I see what gay people mean when they compare what they go through with what black people go through (maybe not back in slavery but now) because they are treated so badly for being who they are and who they are entitled to be.

First of all the color of your skin is determined by your genetic make up, your sexuality isn’t. There is no comparison whatsoever…Now…..

On election day everyone wanted the African-American and Latino communities to show up and voice their opinion about who should be president, why wouldn’t they want us to voice our opinions about anything else?…..PROP 8?!?!

I think it’s quit hilarious that Gay/Homosexual/Bi’s believe they have a right to be the way they are but everyone else doesn’t have the right to decided whether they like it or not!!! We’re not puppets and we don’t have strings..don’t try to use as you please and dump us on the side of the road when things don’t go your way…that’s not right!!!!

I voted Yes on 8 and I am from Berkeley, CA the SF Bay Area…been around gay people all my life. I don’t believe in gay marriages. Respect the vote of the people, regardless of their race. There is going to be winner and a loser. Charge it to the game.

Understand this people, especially you macho.

Seperate is NOT equal

If you change the words and the terminology it DOESN’T then make our rights equal

this is the reason that LAWS governing EVERY race, every person are put in place.

We do not have black laws, white laws etc..,

because

SEPERATE is not now nor will it ever be equal.

if the laws and the rights rae the SAME why change the WORDS? because they are NOT the same.

This is put in place to INVALIDATE the people who are affected.

@ LADY ARCHITECT(DOING BIG THINGS AT 23)

In your 23 years have you truly ever felt discriminated against and called out your name for being black—Most white folks aren’t that bold? Most blacks in this country are subjected to a covert form of racism that’s institutional.

But when you have friends and work colleagues that talk openly about killing “fags” and the ole “Adam & Steve” joke, not to mention one of my openly gay friends being stoned, and countless others meeting beatings even death–this proposition essentially condones others to discriminate against gays.

Civil rights doesn’t have a stick whereby it should be measured, it should never occur plain and simple. But we are comparing this situation with its most recent occurance, and using the fact that we as blacks mage progress, then why not the gays.

@Phlegm

You digust me with your rants! If you are going to be the advocate for gay rights and say your points, your degradatory remarks are not helping. Those who were uncertain about the situation, would see your post and be biased in a negative way. There is a such thing as class! Please use it!

@ LADY ARCHITECT(DOING BIG THINGS AT 23)

“TO ME MARRIAGE HOLDS A MORE BIBLICAL MEANING IN ITS DEFINITION.”

“A CIVIL UNION, IF DONE CORRECTLY GIVES HOMOSEXUALS HUMAN RIGHTS (ALTHOUGH IT HAS NOT BEEN THOUGHT OUT FULLY). I THOUGHT THAT’S WHAT THE FIGHT IS ABOUT.”

As a said in a previous posting the only leg the opposition of gay marriage has to stand on is… a Biblical one. This country has a separation of church and state. You cannot bring that argument into the courtroom, which is exactly why the Supreme Court will eventually strike down this prop.

Secondly a “civil union” which provides the same rights could be a compromise. But there should be NO DISPUTE that “civil unions” are a separate but equal approach.

Like I said. I’m heterosexual, I’m Black and I am a Christian. But to restrict the rights of others…

I feel that’s wrong.

Anyway… I have work to do so I’m just gonna leave it at that.

-Jaye ;-/

@ lady architech… i understand what you are saying… that is what really sucks. the morman church spent 79 million dollars on the yes on 8 campaign… that was the second highest amount spent on any campaign this year, only second to the presidential election, also the most money spent on a proposition EVER in the history of our country. there was no way the gay community could compare. and like i said, it is just a shame. i am straight, and i have no idea what it would be like to be kept from marrying the person that i love. i mean dam that, i would fight to the death, and that is real talk. one of my best friends is gay and she lives in San Fransisco, she came back and visited last weekend and we talked about it, and her passion for it and the feelings she was telling me that her community has about it, idk, i think people forget they are human just like you and me. it honestly just breaks my heart that it passed.

Okay. I see some intelligent arguments, and some not so intelligent. But unless I missed it, I haven’t seen the most obvious point addressed…

First, a couple of precepts. The root word of homosexuality is sexuality, or, sex. So, the whole idea here is, whom one can have sex with. Whether you believe the Bible or not(and I’m not preaching here), the whole point of sex is procreation(the smart kids already know where I’m going with this).

The act of marriage is designed the govern the act of procreation(even though a lot of folks have kids out of wedlock, but that’s another discussion).

Unless the rock I live under has shielded me from some scientific, technological advance, two people of the same sex cannot procreate. Therefore, there is no need for them to marry. It is illogical, and unnecessary.

Now, I am not saying that two people of the same sex can’t be a couple(which would be their chosen human civil ‘right’). I’m just stating the obvious. While, perhaps, Same Sex Civil Union might have some actual purpose, to allow a couple the ‘right’ to handle each others responsibilities.

If I should NOT allow a gay person to patronize my establishment, THAT would be discrimination. If I should NOT patronize a gay person’s establishment, THAT is discrimination. If I should deny a gay person a job, THAT is discrimination. If I should beat a gay person, THAT would be discrimination.

Not allowing two gay people to ‘marry’ is NOT discrimination. It is the basic maintenance of civilized society. We ALL MUST participate in this basic maintenance(Don’t kill, Don’t steal, Don’t drive drunk, etc).

Again, I’m not saying they can’t be together, if that is their choice. And indeed, they should have some basic rights should they choose to be a couple.

But, to compare that particular issue to the Civil Rights Movement is just not a feasible argument. Discrimination against a RACE of people, is a far different issue. To say that, a mixed-race hetero couple can’t marry, now THAT would be discrimination.

Someone in the above comments said, ‘Did you choose to be straight?’ My answer is no, I was born male. A man’s NATURAL partner is a woman(you see, the two of us can make babies, the WHOLE reason for SEX in the first place). I didn’t have to ‘choose’ to be straight. It IS the NATURAL predisposition.

Someone else in the above comments said, ‘…saying they can’t get “married” continues to make the point that gays and lesbians are not like “us,” the so-called “normal people.”…’ I respectfully disagree. It’s not saying they’re not like the rest of us. It’s simply an acknowledgment that marriage is designed to govern the act of procreation(again, the WHOLE reason for SEX in the first place). They can’t procreate, therefore they shouldn’t marry. If a homosexual couple wants to have sex, that is their business. However, not the same thing as a heterosexual couple, who wants to MAKE BABIES and start a family. Which is the MAIN reason they would ‘marry’.

Okay. I see some intelligent arguments, and some not so intelligent. But unless I missed it, I haven’t seen the most obvious point addressed…

First, a couple of precepts. The root word of homosexuality is sexuality, or, sex. So, the whole idea here is, whom one can have sex with. Whether you believe the Bible or not(and I’m not preaching here), the whole point of sex is procreation(the smart kids already know where I’m going with this).

The act of marriage is designed the govern the act of procreation(even though a lot of folks have kids out of wedlock, but that’s another discussion).

Unless the rock I live under has shielded me from some scientific, technological advance, two people of the same sex cannot procreate. Therefore, there is no need for them to marry. It is illogical, and unnecessary.

Now, I am not saying that two people of the same sex can’t be a couple(which would be their chosen human civil ‘right’). I’m just stating the obvious. While, perhaps, Same Sex Civil Union might have some actual purpose, to allow a couple the ‘right’ to handle each others responsibilities.

If I should NOT allow a gay person to patronize my establishment, THAT would be discrimination. If I should NOT patronize a gay person’s establishment, THAT is discrimination. If I should deny a gay person a job, THAT is discrimination. If I should beat a gay person, THAT would be discrimination.

Not allowing two gay people to ‘marry’ is NOT discrimination. It is the basic maintenance of civilized society. We ALL MUST participate in this basic maintenance(Don’t kill, Don’t steal, Don’t drive drunk, etc).

Again, I’m not saying they can’t be together, if that is their choice. And indeed, they should have some basic rights should they choose to be a couple.

But, to compare that particular issue to the Civil Rights Movement is just not a feasible argument. Discrimination against a RACE of people, is a far different issue. To say that, a mixed-race hetero couple can’t marry, now THAT would be discrimination.

Someone in the above comments said, ‘Did you choose to be straight?’ My answer is no, I was born male. A man’s NATURAL partner is a woman(you see, the two of us can make babies, the WHOLE reason for SEX in the first place). I didn’t have to ‘choose’ to be straight. It IS the NATURAL predisposition.

Someone else in the above comments said, ‘…saying they can’t get “married” continues to make the point that gays and lesbians are not like “us,” the so-called “normal people.”…’ I respectfully disagree. It’s not saying they’re not like the rest of us. It’s simply an acknowledgment that marriage is designed to govern the act of procreation(again, the WHOLE reason for SEX in the first place). They can’t procreate, therefore they shouldn’t marry. If a homosexual couple wants to have sex, that is their business. However, not the same thing as a heterosexual couple, who wants to MAKE BABIES and start a family. Which is the MAIN reason they would ‘marry’.

So, I guess homosexuals need to find a new reason for their ‘marriage’ argument. Civil Rights Discrimination is not it.

So, I guess homosexuals need to find a new reason for their ‘marriage’ argument. Civil Rights Discrimination is not it.

porterwayne757 – the fact that THAT was your “come back” proves my point. You must be an idiot.

@ FRANK LUCAS…. that point is really extreme… first of all gay couples can have kids, in our state, they can adopt, they can artificially inseminate(sp), etc… and if that is the case you want to make… are you then saying that a heterosexual couple who are sterile should not be allowed to marry? what about a couple that does not want to have kids? and if you believe they should still be allowed the right to marry, then why not gays?

Gays as a minority group are generally affluent…and legally savvy.This issue is far from over.

@ Redd Tony

Scroll up and see what I said about you and start there.

TO MY PEEP, NOT SURE HOW MANY OF YOU ARE IN HERE, WHATS UP YOU GUYS!!??

NOW AS FOR THE FOLLOWING, TO ANYONE WHO DOES NOT AGREE WITH WHAT I AM ABOUT TO SAY, TRUST AND BELIEVE THAT I DO NOT CARE. SO TO TRY TO COMBAT ME, YOU WILL BE WAISINT MUCH TIME AND TYPING.

NOW. I HAVE AN UNCLE WHO HAS BEEN GAY ALL OF MY LIFE. AND BEFORE I WAS BORN ACTUALLY. I LOVE HIM WITH ALL OF MY HEART, AND I AM ABLE TO VIEW HIM AS MY UNCLE, AND NOT LOOK AT THE “CHOICE” THAT HE HAS MADE TO BE A HOMOSEXUAL MAN. NOW BEFORE I GO ANY FURTHER, I MUST SAY THAT THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN FEELING WHAT YOU FEEL AND THE “CHOICE” TO ACT UPON THOSE FEELINGS. YES I BELIEVE THAT SOME ARE BORN ATTACKED WITH A FEELING OF SEXUAL URGES TOWARD THOSE OF THEIR OWN SEX. HOWEVER IT IS THEIR CHOICE ON WHETHER TO ACT ON THOSE URGES OR NOT. WITH THIS BEING SAID. NO I DO NOT AGREE WITH THE ACT OF HOMOSEXUALITY. AND YES I DO KNOW AND BELIEVE IT TO BE A SIN. BUT I LOOK AT IT IN NO MORE OF A NEGATIVE REGARD THAN I DO THEFT, MURDER, LYING, ADULTERY, ECT. THEY ARE ALL ACTIONS. CHOICES. THE EXAMPLE OF COMPARING RACE TO THE ACT OF HOMOSEXUALITY IS A FOOLISH COMPARISON. YOU CANNOT CONTROL WHAT COLOR YOU COME OUT. HOWEVER YOU MAKE THE CHOICE TO ENGAGE IN ACTIVITIES WITH THOSE OF THE SAME SEX. DO I FEEL AS THOUGH HOMOSEXUALS SHOULD BE ISOLATED, TREATED UNFAIRLY, DISCRIMITATED AGAINST BECAUSE OF THEIR PERSONAL CHOICE? NO I DO NOT!! THEY ARE STILL HUMANS, AND THEY DESERVE TO BE TREATED AS SUCH. BUT DO I BELIEVE THAT THEY SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO MARRY ONE ANOTHER? NO I DO NOT. THAT IS NOT THE WAY THAT IT WAS INTENDED TO BE. MEN & WOMEN WERE CREATED THE WAY THAT THEY WERE FOR THE PURPOSE OF BEING ONE TOGETHER. THAT IS TRUTH, THAT IS FACT. ONE DOES NOT HAVE TO AGREE WITH WHAT I AM SAYING, AND BEFORE YOU ADDRESS, REMEMBER THAT I DONT CARE IF YOU DONT AGREE. I CAN LOOK AT A PERSON BEYOND THEIR LIFESTYLE AND STILL LOVE AND RESPECT THEM FOR WHO THEY ARE. YET I DO NOT HAVE TO AGREE WITH NOR CONDONE EVERY THING THAT THEY DO.

@ Redd Tony, i must admit, i am quite interested to hear what your thoughts on this issue are… since you seem to be a very educated, knowledge seeking man

Please excuse the repeat in the post. My computer went crazy for a minute…

WAISINT=WAISTING (typo)

Why is it anyone elses business if two individuals who are in love and happen to be of the same sex get married. I am a Christian and believe heterosexual love is what God intended because that is the only NATURAL way on this planet to create new life. Nonetheless who am I to dictate how other life their life…how does your next door neighbours being a gay married couple hinder or hurt you???

And I don’t know why Black people in the Cali are fronting and taking the moral high ground, I am from the U.K but did a year abroad at UCLA and nearly every gay guy I met was…..Black!!! You know its true don’t even lie!!!

I was talking to my great grandmother about this – she’s 98 years old. She said that this whole thing reminded her of when they were trying to ban interracial marriage. She said that a lot of the same aruments are being used now that were used then. Looking back now, we all see how silly it was to ban interracial marriage, and she thinks that it will be the same with this. It will take work, but one day everyone, no matter their sexual orientation, will be allowed to marry whomever they love and we’ll look back during this time and realize how ridiculous this argument actually is. In the grand scheme of things, is it really that serious to let two people of the same sex who love each other marry each other? No. Let them (i don’t even like saying “let them” because who am I to say if they should or shouldn’t). I’m more worried about my job and my healthcare to spend energy trying to decide other peoples lives and what they should and shouldn’t do with them. As long as what your doing isn’t harmful or hateful, then its none of my concern. My great grandma agrees – again, she’s 98. And black. We live in Texas. Just wanted to offer another POV.

Hmmm….Obama explicitly state his views on this issue at all?

RESPONSE TO Frank Lucas:

Although I don’t agree with you, I like the way you are breaking your argument down. I think you are leaving a very important fact though:

Marriages and civil unions do not have the same rights and benefits. It affects hospital visits, insurance, health care proxies, taxes, and other things as well.

Just make civil unions have the same rights and this would no longer be discrimination in my book.

So religious people can hold onto their idea of marriage. I don’t agree with it. Almost everyone in my work place is married and almost all of those couples are planning to never have children.

But whatever. Just as long as marriages and civil unions have the same rights. I think “marriage” just a word though. Just a word.

I think divorce has devalued the institution of marriage way more than what same-sex marriages could ever do. I bet some of the religious people here who voted yes are divorced or remarried. THINK ABOUT THAT!

Redd Tony aka Earth Sign “When everybody thinks alike, nobody is really thinking”

He has not spoken directly to the issue; however, he has stated that he is a Christian man which would lead me to believe that he should…and I say should.. be against it..

BB,

ACTUALLY IN MY 23YEARS I HAVE AND WILL ALWAYS CONTINUE TO BE. I WENT TO A HIGH SCHOOL IN AN AREA THAT WAS PREDOMINATELY WHITE, OR THEY FELT THAT NO BLACKS SHOULD BE ABLE TO PURCHASE HOMES THERE. I GRADUATED WITH A 3.8GPA AND RANKED 28 IN A CLASS OF 400 AND DIDN’T RECEIVE NOT ONE SCHOLARSHIP. INSTEAD THEY WERE GIVEN TO WHITE STUDENTS WHOSE GPA’S WERE MUCH LOWER OR FOOTBALL PLAYERS WITH AN IQ OF 2. SO YES I KNOW WHAT IT FEELS LIKE.

THE WHOLE DISCRIMINATION THING I NEVER STOOD FOR. MY BESTFRIEND IS GAY AND I STICK UP FOR HER TILL THE DAY I DIE BECAUSE SHE’S MY FRIEND. PERSONALLY WE HAVE AN AGREEANCE AND SHE UNDERSTANDS MY VIEWS AND I UNDERSTAND HER. DO OUR VIEWS AGREE, NOT REALLY BUT I’M NEVER FOR HATRED ON ANYONE. I’M GLAD YOU AGREE WITH THE “CIVIL UNION” IDEA. SAD TO SAY IT WOULD BE SEPERATE FROM THE TERM MARRIAGE, BUT EQUALITY WITHIN RIGHTS WHICH IS WHAT THE HOMOSEXUAL COMMUNITY IS LOOKING FOR IN MY OPINION. I THINK IT’S A GOOD COMPROMISE FOR THE HOMOSEXUAL COMMUNITY AND THE RELIGIOUS COMMUNITY.

NO GAY MARRIAGE!

CIVIL UNIONS? DOMESTIC PARTNERSHIPS??? MAYBE.

BUT “MARRIAGE” IS BETWEEN ONE MAN & ONE WOMAN. PERIOD.

MARRIAGE IS NOT:

TWO MEN

TWO WOMEN

ONE MAN & TWO OR MORE WOMEN

ONE WOMAN & TWO OR MORE MEN

A LIVE PERSON & A DEAD PERSON

MEN & LITTLE BOYS OR GIRLS

A MAN & A SHEEP

A WOMAN & A VIBRATOR

ANY OTHER COOKY COMBINATION PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY TRIED TO PULL OFF!!!

JUST DO A QUICK SEARCH AND SEE WHAT CRAZY MESS “PEOPLE” HAVE TRIED TO PASS OFF AS “MARRIAGE”!

THERE IS A POINT WHERE HUMAN RIGHTS END AND COMMON SENSE BEGINS.

GAY RIGHTS DO NOT EQUAL THE BLACK CIVIL RIGHTS.

THAT’S LIKE SAYING GUN RIGHTS OR ABORTION RIGHTS EQUALS THE BLACK CIVIL RIGHTS.

THEY ARE ALL THIER OWN INDIVIDUAL THINGS WITH THIER OWN SEPERATE ISSUES.

@ mahoganygyrl… wow i feel so sorry for you. you are ignorant. period. that fact that you made that comment about aids just shows… you are also a bigot. it is not a choice(the fact that you cant spell choice also shows that you must not be educated) people that are gay feel that way from birth. you are entitled to your opinion, but how dare you come in here and call someone a f**. what if that person came back and called you the n-word, that would not be ok. and back to the aids thing, you have a child, so that means you must have had unprotected sex, which means you put yourself at risk for aids just as anyone else who has unprotected sex has done the same.(gay or straight) it is sad that you are raising your child in a home full of hate, and trust, that is more damaging to your child then being around a gay person. you are soo uninformed, i suggest you read a book, search the internet, or how about you talk to someone that is gay, i have several friends that are gay, and not 1, NOT ONE, was ever molested or raped. you are a perfect example of what ignorant means. I hope that one day god fills your heart with love instead of hate

@Lauren

Tell me, why not the bible? Why would there be any need for any further proof? You see, that is a big enough issue for why the world is the way that it is today. Not just regarding homosexuality. But everything that is unlawful in the eyes of God and how he intended for us to be. It is with great love and care that he created us all. Even those who are ridiculously defiant in an attempt to live life the way we so choose. Regardless of the consequences. The fact that you so adamantly are against what the word of God says speaks volumes. And if you are to use that as your argument, then ask yourself this. How do you think murder became unlawful? Or robbery? Or enslavement became inhumane? Where do you think these things arose from? Where do you think that man came up with this idea to make these things “immoral” ?

Im a straight black male in california also, and I voted no on prop 8, In california we had about 12 proposotions on the ballot, and its funny how this was the only propostion that people had banners hangings from the freeway signs about. The hate in some people’s eyes for gay ppl was scary. My entire household supported the ban, and even had signs in our yards, but I said no “who are we to tell who can marry who”

The Black church is a staple for hypocrisy.

I think gay people have the right to get married just not in a church you can’t force a religion to change what it believes however a couple joining together isn’t exsclusive to just christianity. Loads of straight people don’t get married in churches because they’re not christian anyway. I don’t see the problem with two gay people getting married.

BB

@ Redd Tony aka Earth Sign

You’re my boy and all but gays don’t have sex in front of their kids, no more that straight people do, or take them to the club trolling for men. I’ve seen teenage mothers in bklyn smoking with their infants strapped to their chests, see where I’m going.

I’m black and gay,but I’m considered very masculine and I’m in a 5-year relationship with another equally masculine dude. I say all that to say that stereotypes and religion are fuelling alot of these heated discussions.

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Like I said before, I never thought deeply about this issue before, and I admit, me stating that view about homosexuals adopting children was on impulse and I did not give it any real thought.

All I can say is homosexuals are people too and have the need for companionship as well. Like “Frank Lucas” said “The act of marriage is designed the govern the act of procreation”. Since homosexuals cant procreate, is there really a need to allow marriage?

Allowing homosexuals to adopt children is another issue…I guess my only question with this is, how does this impact the child? I dont know. However, I am aware that some straight parents are unfit and shouldnt be raising children at all too…If gay parents show that child love and nurturing, I guess I cant have no beef with that..I guess I have to ponder the issue a bit more to make sense…

HOWEVER i’m fed up of every minority comparing themselves to civil rights and all that crap because it does not compare.

@ Lauren

someone. ANYBODY!! give me ONE good reason BESIDES the bible. just one. anyone.

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DID YOU READ MY POST???

REASON ENOUGH!!!

If we are going to discriminate against gay marriage because of Christianity, then we should discriminate against unwed parents (adultery). Let’s keep it consistent.

We’ll put scarlet “A”s on their clothes!

If you dont stand up for something, you will fall for anything. That doesnt mean that you stick your nose all up in someones business and make them feel like the lowest forms of life because of their choices in life. Because none of us are perfect and we all fall short. Never the less, if my vote or opinion in this country counts, and I am aware that something is about to be allowed that is not correct, then why should I not vote against it? We have over the years let so many things go, that we dont know whether we are coming or going. And that is sad. There are hypocrites in the christian faith, yes that is true. But what needs to be understood by those of the world, is that every christian is not the same. Just as God intended for that individual to reach out to you in love, they themselves are still a work in progress. And will continue to be until they leave this earth. Whether you agree or disagree, my responsibility is to give you the truth, WITH LOVE!! NOT WITH HATRED OR IGNORANCE. It is true that love conquers all things. It is able to change that which is corrupt into something beautiful and positive.

@ RIDDLE ME THIS… how about the fact that this country was founded on the idea that church and state are to be seperate. if you want to live in a country where the bible rules all… then move! i am not christian, neither is everyone in this country… we are not bound by your religious beliefs… so again, like lauren said, one other reason why it should be AGAINST THE LAW (no one is trying to change the bible) so against the law… one reason

@ Jessica

Stop quoting a Bible you barely understand. Be ye a doer of the word and let your “light” shine for others to be inspired.

Honestly, stop being a parrot. You give “Christians” a bad name.

Too many of you “Christians” are constantly telling others how they should live YOUR truth, instead of just living that truth for yourselves. I doubt most of you even know God for yourself. You only know what a preacher tells you.

Get some understanding. Live it. Transform yourselves.

And whatever you do, please put your stones down!

ROLECALL

If we are going to discriminate against gay marriage because of Christianity, then we should discriminate against unwed parents (adultery). Let’s keep it consistent.

We’ll put scarlet “A”s on their clothes!

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LOL LOL LOL OMG LOL I AM LAUGHING SO HARD AT WORK

@lauren & rolecall

It would be beneficial to not argue a point until you are completely aware of the full fact of what you are arguing. In the word of God, “THE BIBLE” which you are so openly ridiculing due to the fact that it directly admonishes your choice of lifestyle, their is a scripture that states that NO SIN IS GREATER THAN THE OTHER!! THEY ALL HOLD THE SAME WAGES!! Do you honestly believe that God frowns upon a homosexual but smiles upon one who has pre-marital sex? NO! None of it is lawful. Is there redemption for either? But of course!! But before you become so beligerent, even though you disagree right now, you should perhaps read the bible. And please do not take me as being rude or sarcastic. I am being serious. Women in the bible were considered pure, and intended to be kept until marriage. It is still supposed to be that way, despite the fact that many of us choose to live differently than what was called. It is not just homosexuality that is the issue. As I stated in my previous post.

@Frank Lucas

“When you’re ready to marry, talk to the minister that will perform your ceremony. See what he tells you. 21st century and all. I’m just sayin…”

You don’t need a minister to get married, because marriage by law does not require a religious ceremony. So leave your religion out of this!

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The backwards, religious-right are holding our country hostage from becoming a truly modern society with their vote.

This issue is just another example.

These same people often hold other disgusting beliefs as well. We just are not discussing those beliefs here. But if we were, I think it would shed some light on who we are dealing with.

EVERYTHING HAS LIMITS PEOPLE!!!!!!

NO GAY MARRIAGE.

YOU HAVE TO DRAW THE LINE SOMEWHERE OR THERE WILL BE NO LINE ANYWHERE.

AS SOME HAVE WRITTEN ABOVE….,

IF YOU DON’T STAND FOR SOMETHING YOU WILL FALL FOR ANYTHING!

I CHALLENGE ANYONE TO DEBATE ME ON THIS.

I think if Obama explicitly stated his stance on this issue being that he is a Christian, I dont think he would have been elected President, for the fact this is a sensitive moral issue, which I believe MUST be discussed openly….

@ FRANK LUCAS, I apologize for the profanity, first and foremost, its just that i am very passionate, and dont get me wrong, i want kids, i plan on having a family, but in no way is that the REASON i will get married, and there are couples who get married because they love eachother and they both dont want kids. I believe everyone has a right to their opinion, but i also believe that each individual has the right to live their life however they want. if someone is in love with someone of the same sex, who are we to tell them they cannot marry. the whole god/religious argument does not work here. we are talking about in the state. this prop would not require churches to let gay couples get married, it would only require that they are allowed a marriage licence… and i do not believe that people should vote based on their religious beliefs, because that is not what this country is about. we all live here because the founders of this country wanted freedom to believe or to not believe… i just dont think it is right that any law states a persons sexual orientation, just like there should be no laws that say white people this or black people that…

how about the fact that this country was founded on the idea that church and state are to be seperate. if you want to live in a country where the bible rules all… then move! i am not @12345

christian, neither is everyone in this country… we are not bound by your religious beliefs… so again, like lauren said, one other reason why it should be AGAINST THE LAW (no one is trying to change the bible) so against the law… one reason

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When I speak to you, I speak to you from a place of a true relationship with the Lord. It is something that you may not understand, nor comprehend. I pray that all of you who may not be aware of what that love feels like, eventually will. And then you will know that there is a firm difference between spiritual knowledge and book knowledge. The word of God and what man has reiterrated it to mean. How it can be twisted and used to make you feel like your doomed instead of the real intention. Which is to let you know that you are loved and created with love in mind. If you can agree with several of the laws that are held so dear to heart with most humans, then you must ask yourself why do you agree? Where do you think they were taken from?

No to gay marriage. To each his own, but the Church and the law should stay out of it…It’s supposed to be separation fof Church and State, but as you can see, it’s not…I am married and know some gay people, if they want to marry, that’s on them…I think they really just want to be accepted and the right to marry, like veryone else…But I dk about marriage, it really should be between a man and woman..But, I wouldn’t exclude them just cause they’re gay…That’s their lifestyle, I really wouldn’t want to be judgmental….

I wouldn’t necessarily equate the gay rights struggle with the African-American struggle.

However, I’m sorry that gay marriage was banned in Cali.

Call me niave but I don’t see how straight people’s lives would be affected by gay marriage. People who are openly gay will still have their partners, will still live together, and Timmy will still have 2 mommies. Banning gay marriage will not make homosexuality go away. This does have a tremendous effect on gays who deserve to enjoy the same rights as married couples – insurance, parenthood, medical decisions, etc.

As far as the religious views on gays go, I don’t know if gay people are going to hell. It’s not my decision.

A Man fukkin’ a man up the azz is ignorant & deviant.If these fags are concerned about their gay lovers after one dies then write a damn will beforehand!!

FOR THE DUMBASSES ON HERE COMPARING BEING GAY TO THE COLOR OF MY SKIN…THERE IS NO COMPARISON!!

@lauren

It is true that the KKK and many racists would use the Bible as a means to attack or justify their actions. However, reading for yourself will give you insight on the very fact that they had no leg to stand on using the word of God to back them up with their hatred. Martin Luther King was a Reverend. And a firm believer in Jesus. He lived in the most drastic of times when the KKK were in full force. Dont you think he knew that they were twisting Gods word to fit their own ideal purposes? The way that he knew this was because he built up his own understanding, and did not allow himself to become confused or mislead by what anyone TOLD him. In order to know, you must review for yourself. If you are saying that you were never made to read it, or live by it, and based off of your current argument, it is easy to assume that you have no first point of view opinion. Read for yourself. Do not allow your mind to be clouded by someone elses view.

I voted yes on 8. There were commericals running saying that they were going to teach about gay marriage in school. Do you want your kids learning about such behavior? Plus marriage= man & woman period so suck on that.

To all those who are downright judging and putting your gay brothers and sisters into another class, look around. You probably have family members, friends, coworkers, (even YOURSELF?) who might be gay and you don’t even realize it. Everyone knows the black community has a large DL population.

And while we’re at it, I bet if you ignorant haters had spent any time with a gay family or even in West Hollywood, you would see that gays are loving, non-threatening, and kind people.

I see I have no takers on an honest debate about this issue. lol! I still and always will say no to gay “marriage”.

You can work out a “civil union/domestic partnership” but “marriage” is not for gays. There are to many other fring groups out there waiting to pounce on this and ride the train.

There has to be limits on everything! If not then everything will be fair game.

If you don’t stand for something you will fall for anything.

I stand for traditional marriage!

Preach Da Truff!

@ Mahoganygyrl…. the funny thing is I am straight, but i believe in equality for all, and i will still up for homosexual people, in the same way that i fight racists when they talk about black people or any other race of people, even though i am white. i believe in love and equality among ALL people, i do not believe in teaching hate.

ONLY GOD CAN JUDGE

which brings me to my next point

@ Riddle Me This… i have a great relationship with God (religion is man made and i do not need that to have a relationship with my creator) , however my God is all-powerful, loving, and accepting. He loves all his children. However, he does not love Hate. Again, ONLY GOD CAN JUDGE. I believe that he wants us all to live in love and acceptance. Im sorry if you believe that God wants us to hate and discriminate any of brothers and sisters, no matter their lyfestyle, race, gender, etc.

@ anybody

What is the fundamental difference between gay marriage and civil unions?

@ DA TRUFF…. seriously there needs to be limits on everything?? there needs to be limits on equality?? Im sure you would not be saying that if you were living in the 60′s and the racists were arguing that there has the be a limit on the freedoms of black people, and please believe they were just as passionate about restricting Black peoples rights, as you are about restricting gay rights

@ Pleez…

Preach Da Truff!

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I’m not preaching. It’s just common sense! The gays are overly emotional about this and don’t look at it from a practical standpoint.

Opening up “marriage” to them will open the floodgates to all the freaks & wierdos who want to “marry” just about anything you can think of!

@ illuminati truth, seperate but equal… if there is no difference then why is there a need to have two different things?

Civil Rights are for all…not just for black people. It really pains me how we’re sometimes so critical of other oppressed groups without realizing how two-faced we’re being. How often do I hear black people speaking negatively about immigration, especially when it comes to Mexican immigrants. We so quickly forget that the things we say and believe about GLBT individuals and Mexican immigrants are the same things that kept us in bondage so long. Wake up people.

And I assume that everyone who says that GLBT are not hanged or otherwise physically hurt because of their sexual identity have not seen Girls Don’t Cry…it happens everyday.

@anyone

Is Obama for gay marriage?

@TRUFF!!!

“Opening up marriage to them will open the floodgates to all the freaks & wierdos who want to marry just about anything you can think of!”

Anything you can think of? What else is there? We are talking about gender right? Are you scared cats are going to marry dogs?

You are an adult right?

@ 12345

@ DA TRUFF…. seriously there needs to be limits on everything?? there needs to be limits on equality?? Im sure you would not be saying that if you were living in the 60’s and the racists were arguing that there has the be a limit on the freedoms of black people, and please believe they were just as passionate about restricting Black peoples rights, as you are about restricting gay rights

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I’m not restricting gays rights by opposing them using the word “marriage”. As I said before they can have “civil unions” & “doemestic partnerships” any legal rights or priveldges can be had through those.

The Black civil rights struggle, from the first slave to step foot on this soil, to the person who was just denied a job, house, or freedom because they are Black……… is not comparable to this gay issue.

Anyone who makes that comparison does a great insult to the tens of millions of Black people who have gone though, and continue to go through the struggle.

OH YEA BEiNG GAY iZ SO HARD NOWADAYs..

GAY PPL BEEN THRU SO MUCH..

THEY WERE KiDNAPPEd FROM THEiR MOTHER-GAY-LANd…

N FORCE iNTO BECOMiN GAY SLAVES TO STR8 PPL FOR 400 YRz..

OH GOd…

FAGGiEZ n LESBOz GET OVER iT!!!

i LiKE GAY PPL BUT GET SERiOUS..

YOU CANT COMPARE GAYz n BLACKz…

smh @ THE THOUGHT OF iT…

YEA WE BOTH FACE DisCRiMiNATiON..

BUT THATz LiFE..!!!!!

SUCK iT UP…

LiKE YOU DO EVERYTHinG ELSE iN YOUR sPARE TiME…

Basically, as a gay BLACK JAMAICAN-American person myself, I understand when your whole COUNTRY (i.e Jamaica)wants to see you dead. A black man became president on November 4th, which is a huge feat. All gay people want is to be married and to left alone and I dont see how that hurts anyone. It doesnt matter what your religious beliefs are it does not affect you if you are straight. Be happy with the fact that Black people are doing well as a whole and SUPPORT your fellow gay black brothers and sisters (I am sure yall have gay people in your family) to get basic rights of marrying who they love.

the fault lies right at their feet, the no advocates. even those in their ranks have stated that they were unorganized (in 2008 this is just plain dumb) and slow to react.

they allowed info and supposed misinfo to go unchallenged.

they ssumed only 50% of the black community to vote yes. we know the saying about assume.

they, like most people outside of cali just assumed that people in cali were half gay anyways and all wanted to get gaymarried (lol, it’s just a joke). again, assumptions.

and apparently they only started to reach out/connect/pander/inform/whatever term you want to use, the black community last week. did they try to speak with black minister and churches to explain their side and alleviate their fears? or did they think they wouldn’t have to?

expecting a known conservative community, black/latino/asian, to automatically accept, identify and fight for gays because of the past and present discrimination is just plain stupid. what it means is they’re gonna have to work harder, a lot harder, and putting all the blame on one community ain’t gonna help.

i’m curious though, weren’t there more props in other states that affected them? did they pass? and if they did, why is the only focus on cali?

ultimately, teh gays in cali need to get better organized. i probably would’ve voted no, not because i’m open minded or overstand teh gays (i do like hot lesbians though) but because i don’t care and fail to see the so-called sanctity of marriage (especially due to it’s history) and how it would destroy it.

DA TRUFF!!! Barack Obama, a Black Man, is the President! Welcome to The United States Obamerica!!!

@ Pleez…

Preach Da Truff!

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I’m not preaching. It’s just common sense! The gays are overly emotional about this and don’t look at it from a practical standpoint.

Opening up “marriage” to them will open the floodgates to all the freaks & wierdos who want to “marry” just about anything you can think of!

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Statements like this is why I always reply to you like:

huh?

SMH

Gosh,

I am black and from Suriname, so I cant say we had a civil rights movement here of that US caliber. I followed and supported Obama from day one and even tried to donate money (I couldnt because I wasnt a US citizen)But I’m sad to see the same people I rejoiced with a few days ago because they felt that for obce they werent discrimanated against, discriminate against an other minority group.

What I dont understand is that you people have gone trough all those hard times and you where and are still not treated as equal and still you have the nerve to say that gay people shouldnt have the same rights? Have you forgotten that is wasnt but a few years ago that you didnt have the same rights as minorities. Did you forget that your ancestors had to sit in the back of the bus? Did you forget that they didnt have the right to school themselves, the right to VOTE? And you use this right that your ancestors faught long and hard for, to strip away the right of other minoroties? Shame on you!

Gay people shouldnt get married because of what the bible says? Well lets enforce all the rules in the bible then, lets all keep slaves and marry two or three wives and lets stone people for addultry. I’m not a christian and I shure wouldnt like your biblical rules to be enforced upon me. Your free to live your live according to your morals bot your morals arent the neigbours morals. As long as they arent hurting annyone they should be able to marry whomever they want.

As for people who say being gay isnt natural, since people are born that way I gues it is. No one chooses this lifestyle, My causin is gay and weve al known he was ever since he was 4 years old they even have pictures of him dressing up as a girl, he refused to play with boys because he didnt like the games, and he always wanted and loved dolls. Fast forward 20 years and he is a transexual. So please dont tell me he chose to be this way. even when he was being teased as a child and beaten up and he was depressed for so manny years he still is who he is because that makes him happy, he always tells me that he used to pray to be what we call “normal’because he knew the teasing and beating would stop, no child chooses that!!

People need to lean how to respect eachother and everyone needs to have the same right as long as its not harming annyone else. Thats what rules and laws are for there not meant to deter other people from doing what makes them happy or to force your moral believes upon others!

@ 12345

I’m not saying there should or shouldn’t be anything seperate because I honestly don’t know what the difference is of the two. My question is a genuine inquiry about a subject I honestly know little about. I couldn’t help but to wonder if there were any major differences between the two other than the inclusion of a religous ceremony and the wording.

What about down low brothas? Brothas in jail? This “My girl gotta girlfriend mentality?” Elaborate (talk about) that side of it…..so I can continue to smh

Hey DA TRUFF…. I hope to GOD you don’t have any children. Because your rhetoric is laughable. Are you suggesting that if we allow two men to marry, then we would approve a man and a horse to marry? Or a man and their niece? Get real and grow some brains.

So what would you say to the Gay Black Person. Suck it up, your gay. Deal with it. I dont understand how black people are supposed to be united yet they would turn their back on their own people who are Gay. That doesnt make any sense. And gay people have been discriminated against just as long and if not longer than black people. It has only be SAFE for gay people to be OUT in public for about 20 years. If they had been OUT Prior to that, they would have been KILLED right off bat. At least being Black you could enjoy being ALIVE and not KILLED right on the spot. Think about that for a second. Think about if if you were gay and you announced that to the world that they would automatically kill you. And in some places they will STILL kill for being Gay. I cant even go to my mother’s and my father’s homeland of Jamaica for the FEAR of my life. And I am not crying about it I have accepted it just like black people accepted the fact that a black man could never be president. But guess what things will change and gay people will get their rights to marry whether you like it or not. Just like a black man got the right to be the leader of the most powerful country of the world.

@BOMBAY

Glad to make you smile!

@Riddle Me This

We live in a secular society. Get over it.

iF A MAN iZ STRONG ENUFF T0 LET ANOTHER MAN GO iN HiS DOOTY-HOLE..

THEN HEz STRONG ENOUGH TO DEAL WiTH A LiL iNJUSTiCE…

ROLECALL

@TRUFF!!!

“Opening up marriage to them will open the floodgates to all the freaks & wierdos who want to marry just about anything you can think of!”

Anything you can think of? What else is there? We are talking about gender right? Are you scared cats are going to marry dogs?

You are an adult right?

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LOL thats what Im sayin….

@ ROLECALL

@TRUFF!!!

“Opening up marriage to them will open the floodgates to all the freaks & wierdos who want to marry just about anything you can think of!”

Anything you can think of? What else is there? We are talking about gender right? Are you scared cats are going to marry dogs?

You are an adult right?

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Yes I am an adult. That is why I can do an internet search and see why there are people who are trying other “alternative marriage” combinations.

Men & women are trying to have more than one spouse. Are you for polygomy?

There are those who want to marry animals. Not a dog marrying a cat, stuff like a man marrying a sheep!

There are those who are alive that want to marry the dead.

Don’t get me started on the grown-ups who want to marry childeren.

DO YOU WANT THIS???

Becasue all those people want gay marriage so they can push it to the next step!

PREGG0 |LiViN MY LiFE|

iF A MAN iZ STRONG ENUFF T0 LET ANOTHER MAN GO iN HiS DOOTY-HOLE..

THEN HEz STRONG ENOUGH TO DEAL WiTH A LiL iNJUSTiCE…

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SMH….You are pregnant right..what if your child was gay?

As far as I’m concerned, there is only one judge. PERIOD. So, I’ll just leave the judging to him. In the meantime, what goes on between two consenting adults is between them. With regard to the law, that’s why we are supposed to have a separation between church and state…so no one is allowed to impose their beliefs onto others. Everyone is entitled to have and voice their opinions, but oppressing the basic human rights of others NEVER serves the well-being of our society, as history deftly demonstrates. Afterall, the Declaration of Indepence reads in part, “We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.” ALL men…not a chosen few. The goal should not be acceptance, but one of tolerance and respect. We are not on this earth long enough to disrespect each other as human beings – life is too fragile for that.

@ Kenyata

Just a quick question. Is it not possible for one to choose something that may ultimately harm them? For example, is it not a choice to smoke cigarettes, do heroin, cheat on your spouse? All these things have harmful, even potentially fatal, consequences.

Attention PREGG0 |LiViN MY LiFE|…..Take your ignorant ass back to school OR EVEN CHURCH and learn some compassion and respect. I’m sure the 7th grade would love to have you back. Heck, it might be fun to be in the same class as your children. Thoughts?

And what if it was unnatural to be gay, what if people chose to be gay, what does that mean? Does it mean you have the right to say choose differently because I dont agree with your choice? Let them choose to be gay then, whats it to you? Why do you care? Its not your life so? Why are people scared of gays? Are you insecure about your sexuality? Are you scared your child will get the homo virus or something? As long as you do your job as a parent and you inform your children and are open with them I dont think you should be scared of that. Gays being able to marry will not affect your child in anny way shape or form, I hate to break it to you people but theyre out there and children will see them or come in to contact with them wether they are allowed to marry or not. So unless you plan on banning everthing gay I’m afraid you and your family will be forced to deal with them one way or the other!

@ Redd Tony

Statements like this is why I always reply to you like:

huh?

SMH

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And replies like that show your continued ignorance, and inability to do much more than cut & paste conspiracy theories.

Oh.., and throw out insults and curses when called on your B.S.

@ Redd Tony

PREGG0 |LiViN MY LiFE|

iF A MAN iZ STRONG ENUFF T0 LET ANOTHER MAN GO iN HiS DOOTY-HOLE..

THEN HEz STRONG ENOUGH TO DEAL WiTH A LiL iNJUSTiCE…

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SMH….You are pregnant right..what if your child was gay?

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Then that child would be just like you Redd!

@ Kenyata

“And what if it was unnatural to be gay, what if people chose to be gay, what does that mean.”

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Well, that means it can be learned and taught which, in turn, gives legitimacy to arguments against it because it can and likely will affect their children. I am not for it or against it. I just want to have an honest discussion about whether it is innate or not because, in my opinion, the debate hinges on that single issue. Your argument that people would not choose something with potentially harmful consequences is weak given the number of things people choose to do that harm them such as smoking, drugs, cheating on a spouse, etc.

@ Brothas Unite, all those things you named, people dont go into that thinking, “hey im gonna try heroine, im gonna become a junkie, but i think im gonna try it anyway” or “im gonna cheat on my wife, this will tear my family apart, but its worth it” no… people that smoke, do drugs, cheat, they think, im gonna fit in, i can just do this and im gonna feel great, im not gonna get caught, etc… gay people are gay from birth, they choose to come out of the closet KNOWING that they are not going to be accepted, they will be abused, and they will be treated as “freaks & weirdo” (that quote courtesy of DA TRUFF)… so it is not the same, gay people have the CHOICE, to come out of the closet, to struggle with discrimination, or live a lie…. that is the only choice they make

Well at the end of the day IT IS NOT LEGAL FOR GAYS TO BE MARRIED AND IT WILL NEVER BE SO KEEP CRYING ABOUT SOMETHING THAT WILL NEVER CHANGE. TRY TO BLAME BLACKS FOR IT CAUSE FOLK WANNA ALWAYS BLAME SOMEBODY. IT IS WHAT IT IS. U BETTA FIND A WAY TO EITHER ACCEPT IT OR GET READY TO SPEND A LIFE TIME CAUSING MESS ABOUT SOMETHING THAT AINT GONNA CHANGE. CAUSE SAVED FOLK WILL NEVER VOTE FOR THAT MESS.

@ PREGGO….

as a matter of fact, if your retarded ass would pick up a book. you’d find that gays have been oppressed throughout time. including world war 2 when they were sent along w/ the jews to concentration camps by the thousands. WHAT? You mean blacks aren’t the only people who have had it rough? Yes it’s true. Now go rub that gut down w/ some cocoa butter…because we know your ass is going to be thinking you’re hot right after you pop that baby. congrats by the way.

@ Redd Tony

ITS OFFICIAL…. DA TRUFF IS 12 YEARS OLD….

im not paying attention to anything he says, he is in middle school… at best

umm..

i NEVER SAiD i WAS AGAiNST GAYs..

iM AGAiNST PPL WHO COMPLAiN ABOUT LiFE PERi0d..

N BLAME OTHERz FOR THiER PROBLEMz..

n iF MY SON CAME OUT GAY

i MEAN..

i WOULD BE DiSSAPPOiNTEd

BUT i WOULD TREAT HiM THE SAME WAY..

i WOULD STiLL LOVE HiM…

BUT HE CANT BLAME NOBODY ELSE FOR THE WAY HE’z CHOOSiN TO LiVE…

DA TRUFF!!! Barack Obama, a Black Man, is the President! Welcome to The United States Obamerica!!!

@ Redd Tony

Statements like this is why I always reply to you like:

huh?

SMH

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And replies like that show your continued ignorance, and inability to do much more than cut & paste conspiracy theories.

Oh.., and throw out insults and curses when called on your B.S.

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huh?

@ WHO I AM… gay marriage WAS legal in California, and it probably will be when the Superior Court overturns this decision like they did last time. so sorry that your statement is totally incorrect

JROD..

YOUR LAME..

GROWN ASS PERSON COMPLAiNiN BOUT LiFE…

12345

@ Redd Tony

ITS OFFICIAL…. DA TRUFF IS 12 YEARS OLD….

im not paying attention to anything he says, he is in middle school… at best

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Exactly…Now you see…anytime he ever make a comment just be like:

huh?

@ 12345

If you want to reference or comment on my post then direct it at me. Don’t bury it in one to someone else.

I was talking about the “freaks & wierdos” who would follow after gays seeking marriage. Not gays “being” the freaks & wierdos.

Check my post at 3:08pm! If you quote me do it right! No BS!

WEll 12345 at this present time, “Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California.” SO IT IS WHAT IT IS.

@12345

A lot of people sneak to smoke, do drugs, and cheat. These are not activities people do to “fit in” necessarily. People are drawn to it in some way and then they get hooked and that’s when it seems as though they cannot control it. But it started as a choice.

@ Redd…. lol im in

@ Redd Tony

PREGG0 |LiViN MY LiFE|

iF A MAN iZ STRONG ENUFF T0 LET ANOTHER MAN GO iN HiS DOOTY-HOLE..

THEN HEz STRONG ENOUGH TO DEAL WiTH A LiL iNJUSTiCE…

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SMH….You are pregnant right..what if your child was gay?

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Then that child would be just like you Redd Tony!

PREGG0 |LiViN MY LiFE|

umm..

i NEVER SAiD i WAS AGAiNST GAYs..

iM AGAiNST PPL WHO COMPLAiN ABOUT LiFE PERi0d..

N BLAME OTHERz FOR THiER PROBLEMz..

n iF MY SON CAME OUT GAY

i MEAN..

i WOULD BE DiSSAPPOiNTEd

BUT i WOULD TREAT HiM THE SAME WAY..

i WOULD STiLL LOVE HiM…

BUT HE CANT BLAME NOBODY ELSE FOR THE WAY HE’z CHOOSiN TO LiVE…

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Im saying, would you say gay slurs to him all the time?

I just thought the slurs you were saying was unecessary

Im not going against your view of gay marriage or anything, its just being as though you are a parent you may have to go through this type of thing…

DA TRUFF!!! Barack Obama, a Black Man, is the President! Welcome to The United States Obamerica!!!

@ Redd Tony

PREGG0 |LiViN MY LiFE|

iF A MAN iZ STRONG ENUFF T0 LET ANOTHER MAN GO iN HiS DOOTY-HOLE..

THEN HEz STRONG ENOUGH TO DEAL WiTH A LiL iNJUSTiCE…

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SMH….You are pregnant right..what if your child was gay?

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Then that child would be just like you Redd Tony!

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huh?

I have to say that comparing us to the “gay community” is totally off, i get the comparison though, as far as discrimination! However, I somehow believe that people thought the opposite when voting for this. Reason being, homosexuality is SO PREVELANT in the black community and while some may oppose the lifestyle, too many of us, have a lot of people in our lives that we love, who are gay so it baffles me and I honestly think people just vote YES, thinking it was going to help the gay community. And as far as the church goers opposing, they reallllllllly need to assess the pulpit because I KNOW THERE IS A GAY MAN up there somewhere that’s suppressing it or maybe one of the members sons, daughters, or grandkids may be so that hypocritical thinking needs to be obsolete, being gay ain’t what it used to be and it’s no longer a SECRET THAT GAY PEOPLE EXIST!!! Who are we to tell someone who they can or can’t love or marry. SHIIIT, I say let them experience the bullsh*t too!!! lolol

@ PREGGO

OH YEA BEiNG GAY iZ SO HARD NOWADAYs..

GAY PPL BEEN THRU SO MUCH..

THEY WERE KiDNAPPEd FROM THEiR MOTHER-GAY-LANd…

N FORCE iNTO BECOMiN GAY SLAVES TO STR8 PPL FOR 400 YRz..

…yeah, looks like i’m the only “grown ass person” complaining.

umm..

i CALL MY GAY BEST FRiEND FAGGiE ALL THE TiME..

i LOVE HiM..

HE HOOkz MY HAiR UP!!!

Scientific research (from what I know of) says that homosexuality is not a choice. I have never heard of any research that said anything to the contrary. Personally, I don’t see how it could be a choice. There are a lot of choices I can make daily but being gay is not anything I could choose to do. If you have the physical make up to be sexually aroused by another man (or woman) and the mental capability to be romantically interested in another man / woman then I guess you at the very least have gay tendencies. I could not do either so how could I “choose” to be gay?

@ Brothers Unite… youre missing the point.. initially, they choose to do those things thinking there will be no negative consequences. If someone knew for a fact, that if they cheated on their wife, they would get caught, and it would break up their family and ruin their life… they would not cheat… in the same way, if someone knew for a fact, that they would get lung cancer, they would never smoke that first cigarette

@ 12345

@ Redd Tony

ITS OFFICIAL…. DA TRUFF IS 12 YEARS OLD….

im not paying attention to anything he says, he is in middle school… at best

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When you first commented to me I thought you wanted to have an honest, open debate…, obviously you do not. You just want to state your side, and if anyone disagrees or offers thier own views, you insult them.

@brothas unite

I think people should be able to choose how to live their life even if it harms them as long as it doesnt harm annyone else. Does weed being illegal deter people from smoking it? NO.

I live in holland and weed is actually legal here, but do I smoke weed? NO. In my circle of friends theres only two that smoke weed. So the fact that its legal and that its available didnt push me to go smoke. I went to a coffee shop with my friends a few weeks back and the people I saw there are mostly tourists. People will always want a taste of the forbidden fruit, remember adam and eve?

What I’m saying is that we should invest in educating and informing people about things instead of condemning it because the bible says so. tell people why they shouldnt do drugs just like my mom talked to me about why I should wait to have sex with someone special instead of seeing it as a big taboo.

One more example, I had a friend that had a very strict dad, she wasnt allowed to go annywhere. as a result she went wild the minute she had some freedom and was on her own, fast forward a few years shes 23 and single, with 3 children and two different babydadys. I had allot of freedom but was told to use it wise and to be honest about where I was with whom and when. I’m now 23 and have never rebelled, have a bachelors degree from the university in law am studying antopology, have a boyfriend of 7 years and have no kids and I’m drugfree.

My point: be honest about your motives to allow or forbid something and never do it because of your morals but because you think it hurts others. When it comes to addults they have the right to make choices about their own destiny and life dont try to take that away from people.

For your information, drugs like heroin and cocain arent illegal because they hurt the people that use them but because the government isnt allowed to have a piece of the pie by enforcing taxes (theres a stigma attached to drugs, another moral thing). Because if they were illegal because they hurt people you should try and look up the top ten of the most dangerous drugs and youll see that legal drugs are at the top of the list, so maybe they should get rid of those too since theyre trying to save humanity and all LOL…

Oh geez…I see petty games being played in here…

HOMOSEXUALITY IS AN ABOMINATION AND SAME SEX MARRIAGES SHOULD NOT BE RECOGNIZED. HOW CAN YOU FAULT SOMEONE FOR THEIR OPINION??

Illuminate Truth

Scientific research (from what I know of) says that homosexuality is not a choice. I have never heard of any research that said anything to the contrary. Personally, I don’t see how it could be a choice. There are a lot of choices I can make daily but being gay is not anything I could choose to do. If you have the physical make up to be sexually aroused by another man (or woman) and the mental capability to be romantically interested in another man / woman then I guess you at the very least have gay tendencies. I could not do either so how could I “choose” to be gay?

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Hey Illuminate!

This is kinda off topic..have you seen “Esoteric Agenda” before?

NO GAY MARRIAGE!

CIVIL UNIONS? DOMESTIC PARTNERSHIPS??? MAYBE.

BUT “MARRIAGE” IS BETWEEN ONE MAN & ONE WOMAN. PERIOD.

MARRIAGE IS NOT:

TWO MEN

TWO WOMEN

ONE MAN & TWO OR MORE WOMEN

ONE WOMAN & TWO OR MORE MEN

A LIVE PERSON & A DEAD PERSON

MEN & LITTLE BOYS OR GIRLS

A MAN & A SHEEP

A WOMAN & A VIBRATOR

ANY OTHER COOKY COMBINATION PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY TRIED TO PULL OFF!!!

JUST DO A QUICK SEARCH AND SEE WHAT CRAZY MESS “PEOPLE” HAVE TRIED TO PASS OFF AS “MARRIAGE”!

THERE IS A POINT WHERE HUMAN RIGHTS END AND COMMON SENSE BEGINS

@DA TRUFF

CO-SIGN 1000%

I’m not homophobic and I STILL wouldn’t support Gay marriage.

Well sorry, but I don’t feel that people are born gay. There is always an environmental trigger. To me, being gay goes against the natural laws of the universe, not just the bible.

@Ms Philly

“HOMOSEXUALITY IS AN ABOMINATION AND SAME SEX MARRIAGES SHOULD NOT BE RECOGNIZED. HOW CAN YOU FAULT SOMEONE FOR THEIR OPINION??”

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Because it leads others to vote for discriminating legislation. So it’s up to people like me to point you out as the bigot you are. Your influence is dangerous to the society I live in.

BTW: All caps is another form of flaming you homo!

@ Redd Tony

Peace Brah! Naw, but my man told me about it’s deep as all hell. You Tube?

@ DA TRUFF… actually i have not insulted anyone, i have been simply stating my views… but when someone is using demeaning words like “freaks & weirdos” or “nasty ass”, i have no tolerance for that. That is simply disrespectful. I am all for having a discussion, that is why i came on here, but again, i have no tolerance for discrimination of any kind.

Because it leads others to vote for discriminating legislation. So it’s up to people like me to point you out as the bigot you are. Your influence is dangerous to the society I live in.

BTW: All caps is another form of flaming you homo!

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This foolishness is exactly what I’m talking about…Peoples opinions should be respected and sacred, I am simply blogging about my opinion on the topic at hand and an obvious gay person attacks me, craziness. I respect gay people who repect the law, who know that even though their union will not be looked at as legal that they make themselves feel that way ANYHOW, they adopt, they live together, the law is the law and you can’t get around that.

really quick…so, can i be frank? i dont care about whether gay people decide to have the legal rights of marriage. i think people should be able to do what they want. I am not the judge God is. But, its nothing wrong with me not agreeing with it. And I think that people assume that we don’t have a choice we have to accept it. We don’t. It may be the cause of black homophobia but I personally think religion has aided the black community in keeping with some type of morality that it seems members of other races have abandoned some time ago. I dont care if Dr. King supported gay rights. Dr King smoke…does that mean i should start smoking?

Illuminate Truth

@ Redd Tony

Peace Brah! Naw, but my man told me about it’s deep as all hell. You Tube?

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What up blood!

Yeah check it out (You Tube), they had a section on there about DNA. I cant remember everything word for word, I have to watch it again myself. But that section of the movie is something to really do some research on…

@ Lauren

@ DA TRUFF

You just want to state your side, and if anyone disagrees or offers thier own views, you insult them.

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now take that same comment you just made, and apply it to someone being discriminated against for their sexuality…. sounds familiar?

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Nope! Not to me. I have not discriminated against anyone.., and the only “person” I insulted has it comming from other posts.

I think it’s sad that so many people have been manipulated in to thinking this is a civil rights issue. This argument is actually not about “rights” at all. NO ONE is saying that the Gay community shouldn’t have equal rights. What this is about is a fight over the word “marriage”. I read a post that said, shame on me for thinking marriage can only be between a man and a woman. Excuse me, that’s like saying shame on me for being a Christian. The bible is clear when it says man and wife. I know that there are priviledges given to Straight couples that Gays do not have and I am all for them having it, all I’m saying is do not call it a “marriage”. I believe in the word of God and if he says it’s between a man and woman it is what it is. Who are they to decide that God is wrong and that I need alter my beliefs and edit the bible.

When the Gay community decides to stop attacking my beliefs and fight for their rights then I would be more than happy to protest with them, as I said all for equal rights. But NO ONE has the right to say that God made a mistake.

This is and always will be about the word marriage, the Gay communities disrespect of my religious beliefs and their constant and inappropriate exploitation of the Civil Rights movement for their own personal gain. I am happy I voted Yes on 8 and would do it again in a heartbeat. Seriously, they’re protesting Religion. That’s just unbelieveable. I realize that it has to be hurtful that the bible says that your way of life is a sin, but attacking it and it’s followers is not the answer.

I have nothing against gay people, but a marriage should be between a man and a woman… a husband and a wife, not a husband and a husband…

@ Kenyata

“And what if it was unnatural to be gay, what if people chose to be gay, what does that mean.”

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Well, that means it can be learned and taught which, in turn, gives legitimacy to arguments against it because it can and likely will affect their children. I am not for it or against it. I just want to have an honest discussion about whether it is innate or not because, in my opinion, the debate hinges on that single issue. Your argument that people would not choose something with potentially harmful consequences is weak given the number of things people choose to do that harm them such as smoking, drugs, cheating on a spouse, etc.

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First of all I have read manny studies that say that “gayness”is something your born with. I’m not saying people dont do things that are harmfull to them, what I’m saying is that my cousin didnt choose at 4 years of age to be gay, he was born that way, a 4 year old does not have enough sexual identity to choose to be gay, even you would have to agree to that. I mean they change their favorite colour if the dominant group says orange isnt hip annymore, but yet a four year old would continue to play wih dolls even though he gets teased? A 10 year old would still act feminine even though hes been beaten half to death for it?

I said “And what if it was unnatural to be gay, what if people chose to be gay, what does that mean.” What I meant by that is that it shouldt matter if someone chose to love a same sex partner or wether it was a love that person was born with. We need to RESPECT eachothers right to MAKE THAT CHOICE. I dont believe that its a choice, I think and studies have showed that its genetic, my point is that even if it wasnt, that should be a reasen to impose your morals on others. If no one is getting hurt by it and its consenting adults you shouldt care because its none of your bussines wether or not someone chooses o do drugs or to marry a same sex partner.

1st – Bible thumpers who preach intolerance in by what they think they read in the bible are ingnorant and hippocrits.

2nd – To those who believe gays have not experienced violent atrosities equal to blacks, just Google “Gay Beaten”, “Gay murdered”, or “Gay killed”. *Note, don’t google “Gay Hung”, you’ll have to sift through a lot of bojive before you read about a gay person being hung by a noose.

3rd – All races have gone through persicution, learn history. Blacks are exploiting other blacks all over the world currently. Some of y’all gotta THINK. THINK HARD. Usher yourselves into the Human Race.

4th- Y’all know you each and every one of you have a cousin, friend, brother, sister who is gay, and you know you luv ‘em. Get your head straight.

Peace,

Mighty Whitey

@ 12345

@ DA TRUFF… actually i have not insulted anyone, i have been simply stating my views… but when someone is using demeaning words like “freaks & weirdos” or “nasty ass”, i have no tolerance for that. That is simply disrespectful. I am all for having a discussion, that is why i came on here, but again, i have no tolerance for discrimination of any kind.

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Oh OK! So we will just let that, calling me a child thing, slide.

And I’m sorry to tell you but there are “freaks”, “wierdos”, and “nasty ass” people all over this world of ours.

I am just afraid you may have tunnel vision, so focused on what you want that you may not see that all actions have reactions.

@DA TRUFF

Your 1st point: I apologize for the insult, but your reasoning is ridiculous and I find it hard not to mock.

Your 2nd point: doesn’t even make sense. We all know what we are discussing here.

Your 3rd point: OK, so then why are for unequal rights someone is born gay?

Your 4th point: you can detect sarcasm, can’t you?

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Your “what if” (sheep, dead people) reasoning has no bearing on reality. You are just using scare tactics to manipulate others into your fear-based belief system.

Let’s take the Eric Benet Syndrome for instance. Mr. Benet, Halle’s ex-man, claims that is unnatural for him to be with one woman. Say if one day he decides to fight for the right to marry multiple women? Should we accept and support this? Should we accept and support anything that people say is innate about them? Is it a violation of one’s civil rights to not sanction polygamous marriages?

@ Lauren

@ Lauren

@ DA TRUFF

You just want to state your side, and if anyone disagrees or offers thier own views, you insult them.

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now take that same comment you just made, and apply it to someone being discriminated against for their sexuality…. sounds familiar?

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Nope! Not to me. I have not discriminated against anyone.., and the only “person” I insulted has it comming from other posts.

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i was relating this comment to your stance on gay marriage…

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And what would my “stance” be??? I’m curious if you really even can tell me. I’ve written it twice, but I’m not sure you can honestly tell me what my “stance” is and why you disagree with it.

I am so sick of homosexuals trying to guilt people into sympathy. Homosexuality is a sin….no matter what color the homosexual. As a Christian I have a right to make a decision based on my religious views as does anyone else. Get over it. Furthermore, I am so sick of them comparing race to sexual lifestyle CHOICE…Two different things, two very different experiences.

And another thing…where does the perversion end. When and where do we draw the line, given that many want to ignore, and or distort the bible. Can I have sex with a mule, or perhaps marry a cat? WTF get real. Why can’t I marry my son, we are in love and it is natural. Who are you to judge? SMH

iM N0TTA HOMOPHOBE iM JUST B0REd AT W0Rk…

GEEz…

and one last thing. If you wanna live and have sex with someone of the opposite sex…DO YOU! Stop demanding that everyone else cosign your mess. A civil Union is one thing…but marriage is an institution ordained by GOD. Get the drift.

@ DA TRUFF… i was saying using those words in reference to gay people.

What does imposing morals mean? Aren’t non-religious folks imposing morals on religious folks by telling them that it is wrong for them to vote based on their morals? Everybody has guiding principles whether you be atheist or religious. At the end of the day it’s your morals against someone elses. If you are religious then your religion should guide every single decision you make. If it doesn’t then you should not call yourself religious. So, are the gay marriage supporters really trying to tell people that they think it is wrong to be religious?

@ baeyaki…. the prop was to allow them to marry in the state…aka get a marriage licence.. has nothing to do with any institution ordained by GOD… only married in the eyes of the government… they are not asking for anything to go on in the church

PREGG0 |LiViN MY LiFE|

iM N0TTA HOMOPHOBE iM JUST B0REd AT W0Rk…

GEEz…

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You wanna do my work? LOl

4th- Y’all know you each and every one of you have a cousin, friend, brother, sister who is gay, and you know you luv ‘em. Get your head straight

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Of course we do, there is NO love lost, but there is a difference between loving a gay family member and voting on Proposition 8, my opinion is my opinion. Just because I love BOB and BILL that doesn’t mean that I believe they should get married.

@ ROLECALL

@DA TRUFF

Your 1st point: I apologize for the insult, but your reasoning is ridiculous and I find it hard not to mock.

***ACCEPTED***

Your 2nd point: doesn’t even make sense. We all

know what we are discussing here.

***NO, ALL DO NOT KNOW THE REAL ISSUE***

Your 3rd point: OK, so then why are for unequal rights someone is born gay?

***NEVER SAID I WAS, CIVIL UNIONS/DOMESTIC PARTNERSHIP IS OK.***

Your 4th point: you can detect sarcasm, can’t you?

***YES! MY REPLY WAS SARCASM ALSO.***

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Your “what if” (sheep, dead people) reasoning has no bearing on reality. You are just using scare tactics to manipulate others into your fear-based belief system

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OK.., It’s not a “what if” people have been in the courts for years over those “what if’s”. If you want to close your eyes and mind to that, then that is what you are going to do. The facts are there.

I have no fear and am not trying to scare anyone.

I love how when people reference the Bible to bash gays yet what MANY forget is that sex before marriage is also wrong. Many of you are probably in a sexually active relationship and perhaps even living together but NOT MARRIED. That, according to the Bible, is also an unacceptable lifestyle. But you reason that a good relationship can’t last without sex or that if we wait till we’re married and discover we’re sexually incompatible what then? So of course you think it’s okay because it makes sense to you. As long as it’s a man and a woman together it must be okay. WRONG. You can’t pick and choose what to bellieve in. If you’re gonna throw scripture you best taker ALL of it in, not what suits YOUR lifestyle.

Marriage is a social, religious, spiritual, or legal union of individuals. This union may also be called matrimony, while the ceremony that marks its beginning is usually called a wedding and the married status created is sometimes called wedlock.

Marriage is an institution in which interpersonal relationships (usually intimate and sexual) are acknowledged by the state or by religious authority. It is often viewed as a contract. Civil marriage is the legal concept of marriage as a governmental institution, in accordance with marriage laws of the jurisdiction. If recognized by the state, by the religion(s) to which the parties belong or by society in general, the act of marriage changes the personal and social status of the individuals who enter into it

@ REdd T0NY..

iM BARELY D0iN MY OWN W0RK..

BUT SHHH…

D0NT TELL NOBODy..

BUT i GOT 34 MiNz LEFT TiL i HiT THE DOOR!!!

@ 12345

@ DA TRUFF… i was saying using those words in reference to gay people.

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Which I did not do.

hmmmm…..interesting topic

I don’t believe in same sex marriages for several reasons but I have a feeling eventually the law will begin to accommdate the gay and lesbian lifestyle

They should go to Canada, it’s legal there.

4th- Y’all know you each and every one of you have a cousin, friend, brother, sister who is gay, and you know you luv ‘em. Get your head straight

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Of course we do, there is NO love lost, but there is a difference between loving a gay family member and voting on Proposition 8, my opinion is my opinion. Just because I love BOB and BILL that doesn’t mean that I believe they should get married.

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Well, I guess we’ll have to wait until Gay people organize, get sprayed down by fire hoses in the streets, have one of thier leaders shot . . . uh wait this has all happened. C’mon, marriage is mostly for the tax break anyway, and EVERYBODY can get behind something for a tax break.

@ Lauren

The separation of church and state was meant to keep government from sanctioning or supporting any religion (i.e. from giving money or public endorsements of that institution). The freedom of religion clause by contrast was created to prevent the government from restricting people’s ability to practice and express their religion. When you tell a religious person that they must leave their religion at home you are restricting their freedome to practice their religion. If a private citizen chooses to inform their decisions based on their religious beliefs then it is their right to do so. Most religions, including christianity, actually obligate their members to inform their decision making based on their religious beliefs — to tell those people they cannot do so is a direct violation of their constitutional right to practice their faith.

ugottalissen

I love how when people reference the Bible to bash gays yet what MANY forget is that sex before marriage is also wrong

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Thats what Im sayin, WE ARE ALL SINNERS….

How can a jugde sleep at night sending a person to jail knowing that his comrades up top are crooks too?…

How can a priest molest little boys but preach the word of God?…

Who are we to judge?

I’m confused about the 70%, because a G & L spokesperson stated yesterday that 74% of Mormons voted for the ban….not to sound ignorant but…are there that many Black/Hispanic Mormons? in California? I’m just sayin….seems like they (not the gays) are trying to blame the Blacks/Hispanics for the ban and they’re not the ones who passed the ban.

For the haters: Please stop using the Bible as your tool of defense against gay people. What happened to treating others as you’d like to be treated and only God can judge? GOD LOVES ALL from gays, straights, black, white. Even murderers get God’s love.

Its not hurting you if gay people get married. Do you and leave them be. Furthermore for everyone all upset about blacks being compared to gays, just shut up already!!! The comparison is b/c we both have had to struggle for equality. Quit counting years (that we’ve struggled)and realize that we as people and citizens of this nation deserve the same rights.

Oh…by the way I’m not gay. I’m just irritated by ignorance coming from anyone…but especially my own race.

SODDOM AND GOMMORRAH PE0PLE!!!

THATz WHAT THE U.S iZ TURNiNG iNT0…

Who are we to judge?

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We are not judging…

People were ASKED to vote, just like they voted for either Obama or McCain.

Would we be upset with white people if somehow they voted 70% for McCain instead of Obama? No…It’s their CONSTITUTIONAL right to vote.

Lauren

and by the by.

why is everyone so wrapped up in religion.

SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE.

that means…. there you cannot base one on the other.

which means that you cannot impose laws to make something legal or illegal based on the church.

because if that was the case, they would run EVERYTHING.

the church is the oldest and biggest front for politics on this earth. and thats not blasphemy my people. you delve a little deeper into things, you can find the truth and connect the dots.

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Very Good Point..the issue of religion is one of the reason’s why GWB won the election in 2004, even though everyone knew he was an idiot…

And this is why the Supreme Court overturns this issue every time….

@ Lauren

no gay marriage.

i understand your point on civil unions and domestic partnerships. sure.

but surely you can know, understand and appreciate the weight that a title holds.

like the difference between being someone’s unofficial chick and them giving you the title of girlfriend.

its like working at a company, doing the work of a manager but still have the title as a rep.

you’re good enough to pay taxes. good enough to contribute to society. be a model citizen.

but not good enough to marry the person you love.

not good enough to adopt a child and raise them.

we’re essentially telling this people that they aren’t as good as us heterosexuals and that they have to take what they can get.

if the shoe was on the other foot, how would you feel?

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So basically it all boils down to what you want to call it. The adoption thing is a non-issue becasue single, straight, & gays can adopt. And all other “issues” are really off the table too.

The argument you have been making about; rights being denied, and injustice, discrimination, hate, bigotry, fear, and comparing gay rights to the history of Black civil rights…, is just about a word, a “title”.

Why not have thier own “title” and be proud of that? I stand by my defense of that “title” as it is. We will never agree on this so I’m done.

I know someone will have something to pick apart about my statement so go ahead…, but don’t expect a reply. You would’nt like it anyway.

Meeko….stawp! you are so out of order its pathetic….

@ brothers unite

This is my last post, because fractly I’m just tired of trying to reason with you, and its 11 pm out here so I’m trying to get into something more positive. I’ll say it one last time, as long as it does not hurt others, people should be able to do what they want including marying multiple partners, thats a complicated one though, because you would have to keap track of all the partners and make shure that everyone agrees and is in on it, otherwise people could be fooled into thinking theyre the only spouse, and for example find out they have no right to inherritance because theyre not the first spouse or stuff like that. Being married to one person elliminates all that headache and paperwork. But if someone would show up to city hall with his two wives and the first wive says I aggree to my husbands marriage to his seccond wive why shouldnt they be allowed to marry, because others think it just isnt right? well youre not supposed to, it isnt your life youre not getting hurt by it so carry on with yours. Stop concerning yourself with what others do, its not for you to judge wether something is natural or not, its not your bussines to pass judgement. Keep doing what you think is right for you, start loving one another and respecting one another, the world will be a better place for it.

May the universe bless all of you and open your eyes to light and love.

@ Meeko from Detroit

Your argument that because the bible was used to justify enslavement of blacks then all blacks should be for homosexuality is weak. What you fail to understand is that the bible was also used to liberate black people. Without religion what moral authority would you use to oppose slavery? The law also was used to keep us enslaved so does that mean that blacks should be opposed to living in a society governed by law? The bible and the law was not the problem, it was man’s evil ways that were the problem during slavery. Please don’t go blaming religion for man’s evil tendecies.

I have an honest question for the people who either voted for or supported the “yes on prop 8” measure for Biblical reason…

Do you think abortion would be considered a sin in the eyes of God?

I would venture to say that most devout Christians would see abortion as the destruction of human life and therefore a sin in the eyes of God. With that said I don’t think HALF the people who voted Yes on 8 would vote in support of a constitutional amendment overturning Roe V. Wade.

As I’ve said before, we live in a pluralistic society. One of many beliefs and religions. How would Christians feel if, in several decades from now, Christianity was no longer the dominate religion in this country? How would you feel if it was scribed into law that everyone who does not publicly pray to God several times a day would be punished? Did you know that some religions do not believe in the celebration of Christmas and birthdays? What if Christmas was stripped from the law books as a holiday? Did you know that some prominent religions do not believe in sergical intervention… no matter HOW life saving it may be? What if medical intervention became illegal?

I mean… I understand how gay marriage may go against our faith. But you have to understand that Christians are not the only ones who live in this country.

Honestly… YOU may think it is wrong… but you have NO RIGHT to impose that belief on someone else.

-Jaye ;-/

Man and Woman should get married, duh!

If two gay people marry, they’re doing it under God’s eyes, and that’s not right because we all know how he feels about Homosexuality. If they want to be recognized by the state as a married couple, then so be it.

Also, there’s other reasons besides the bible, that gay people shouldn’t get married.

1. because if everyone turned gay, the human race would cease to exist. Hello, people? We don’t want that to happen.

2. (i know you’ve heard it before), but it’s too basic. The male and female body were made for each other. they fit like a jigsaw puzzle.

3. Just because you have feelings, doesn’t mean it’s right.

4. If homosexuality was so normal and good, we wouldn’t be having this problem. It would be a normal part of life like everything else is.

I don’t understand people who are gay. What’s wrong with girl/guy and vice verca? I would like to ask a gay person, what is it about the same sex that attracts you? Because I just don’t see it.

I also feel like it’s becoming a trend to be gay. At my school, so many people weren’t gay before, now all of sudden, girls who you’d never think would do that, are gay now wearing rainbow bracelets and stuff.

I’m not against the people who do it, I’m against what they do behind closed doors. So many people want to say, “it’s love”, “it’s none of your business”, things like that. If you want to be gay, no one should have the right to interfere with that, but you should know what you’re getting into before you do it.

@ Lauren

I guess my ultimate point is that if it is innate then it is requires strict scrutiny under the constitution. If not innate then it requires a lesser standard and may be used as a ground for discrimination in the case of marriage since there is a large enough social utility to promote one man and one woman marriages over all others. If homosexuality is not something born with then that means it is learned or conditioned. In that case, children can be affected by the imagery of it.

@fallon

“because if everyone turned gay, the human race would cease to exist. Hello, people? We don’t want that to happen.”

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If every woman on this earth exercised her right to abort the human race would also cease to exist. Would you vote for a Constitutional amendment banning Roe V. Wade?

Just saying…

-Jaye ;-/

@ EVERYONE (especially Fallon)

1. nothing comes easily, someone just said, “If homosexuality was so normal and good, we wouldn’t be having this problem. It would be a normal part of life like everything else is” right… like anything has come easy… i have you are a white man, cause if you are a woman or maybe a black person, you would know that nothing comes easy. people fight tooth and nail for basic rights, and that is what the gay community is going through.

2. STOP SAYING MAN AND WOMANS BODIES ARE MADE FOR EACH OTHER…. these are the same guys that are gonna go home and try to put it in their girls ass… im just saying, why dont we talk about that?? i bet some of you on here talking about gay=wrong, i bet you have either taken it from your man or given it to your girl… now why is that… are you curious??? if anything that is wrong to me.

3. Gay people getting married is not going to make everyone gay… its not gonna make anyone gay.

gay people are gay… straight people are straight.

4. God is love, and acceptance, if you believe in him, you will love everyone equally, and not discriminate

I was going to stay out of it but what the hell. First of all Obama is in favor of same sex marriage and when he puts two people on the supreme court they will be too so as someone said you did indeed vote for same sex marriage.

Secondly, Obama is a politician. I’m guessing most of you don’t have the faintest idea of what policies he wants to pursue you just think cause he got some color in him he has your back. Truth is he danced around African American issues and while he was clearly the best candidate ever to run for office you don’t have/know any specifics about him on black american issues. There aren’t any. He even said some tricky stuff about Affirmative action. Ya’ll talkin about the bible you need a damn newspaper.

we should not have the right to on someone else’s private life. that’s like putting a proposition for/against abortion on the ballot and deciding for everybody. as long as it’s not a child and no one is hurt, people should love and marry whoever they want without backlash.

This is so sad! It is plain discrimination. Noone should tolerate or support discrimination of any kind! It seriously makes me sick to my stomach that it is 2008 and we still act like its the 1950s. Gays do not CHOOSE to be gay just like you did nto CHOOSE to be the race you were born into. Gays, blacks, jews, etc all have had extreme hate crimes directed at them and its sad it continues. What happened to seperation of church and state? People need to stop being so ignorant and let people be happy and in love. AND MARRIED!

@ tj

“First of all Obama is in favor of same sex marriage and when he puts two people on the supreme court they will be too so as someone said you did indeed vote for same sex marriage.”

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Thank you!!!

As I said in a previous post. I live in Cali and Obama sent out robocalls urging Democratic Californians to vote No on 8! If that ain’t support of same sex marriage I don’t know what is!

-Jaye ;-/

Marriage it not what you say its what GOD says!!!. no other person. So if gays where to have there way it would be no population… right they can’t produce. Remember you have to face GOD for the choices you make.He give you a choice right or wrong. He always say , say no the the flesh( you have to be strong) DOES ANY ONE READ THE BIBLE ANYMORE THE BOOK OF LEV.,1ST AND 2ND COR., AND MATTHEWS. GOD, GOD, GOD, WHY DON’T GAY PEOPLE READ THE BIBLE. i REALLY DON’T UNDERSTAND IT. YOU NEVER GIVE IN THE THE FLESH !!!!!, IT EVERY MAN FOR HIM SELF WHEN YOU STAND BEFORE HIM. HE HAS ALREADY TOLD YOU. HIS WORD IS THE ONLY WORD THAT STANDS.

ONCE YOU HAVE HEARD, HE SAID YOU KNOW RIGHT FROM WORNG

@ Brothas Unite

If homosexuality is not something born with then that means it is learned or conditioned. In that case, children can be affected by the imagery of it.

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Do you honestly feel that a 4 year old child is aware enough of the gender role? i doubt it very easily. which is why some boys play with barbies when they are younger and some girls played with g.i. joes. i played with g.i. joes. its not something that children have a concept of at that age. they know love, which is the most important. you don’t teach someone to be gay. thats borderline on trying to make a plausible argument that is contagious. i live in san francisco and wouldn’t you know it? i’m straight. i grew up with my “aunties” who were both very gay…. nope. still not gay. its not something that can be taught. one can’t “learn” to be gay. they may learn what being gay is LIKE but thats the extent of it. and really you can never have an idea unless you’re gay. obviously you are not, thus the inquisition. being gay just IS.

why would anyone choose to be gay in this day and time to receive subpar treatment from their peers.

thats like getting a black eye everyday at school for wearing a stupid hat, yet you still wear that same stuid hat everyday. now how would that make any sense if you had a choice?

THEN PLEASE READ YOUR BIBLE, IF YOU THINK OR ARE TRYING TO SAY YOUR AUNTS WERE BORN LIKE THAT . HE TELLS YOU TO REPENT AND BE “BORN AGAIN”. You do know the difference by the roll the parent plays. If a parent don’t get it straight to you as a child then its there fault for not correcting you that their job is to teach you right from wrong. Mostly we learn from watching each other . girls learn from girls, boys learn from boys.

people today think what wrong is right and what right is wrong… but they have to answer to god not the governmnet.

@ 12345

I’m a woman by the way.

Let me ask you this….why isn’t anyone screaming and hollaring about Straight people being wrong?

@ Jaye

I would never vote for abortion. I would only except it in a case where the woman was raped or something like that.

And also, my point in saying that “if everyone turned gay…” was to prove that it’s not natural.

I’m just telling you how I see it.

If they want to do that, I can’t tell them what to do.

But,

Since we’re on the topic,

I would like to talk about it and voice my side.

I Just wanted to ad that everyone has morals and a sense of right and wrong but when it comes to other peoples lives you shouldnt try to tell them how to live it. Thats whats happening here, people telling others they shouldnt get married because they think its wrong. Keep your religion and morals to yourself and do not try to tell others how to live when they never asked you and are not harming you or annyone else.

The state should only make laws that deter humans fram harming eachother and that brings order to chaos, not try to tell people whats right and wrong. People should be free to decide that for themselves. If you think something is wrong and if you want others to agree with you then go around telling them about it, but still give them the room and choice to differ with you. The gays dont have a choice wether to get married or not, they are forced to live unmarried. Christiands are out here like their religion is the only one that talks about marriage, acting like they have the papers on the institution. People have been getting married before christianity was even a word so please.

Nothing wrong with having morals the choices we make are influenced by them, this is true, everyone has them and we are all subjective and never objective, thats something they stressed in lawschool so I’m not new to the notion. I’m just saying that this shouldnt even be something that people should vote on, its a right that gays should have because theyre human and because they are equal. Dont try and make laws about stuf that doesnt harm others based on your morals because thats why we sepparated the church and state. Not everyone is a christian and wants to live by christian morals. To make laws based on christianity is to impose your morals upon others!

Because you live in the us youre lucky. You christians are the majority, yet black people as a minority should know how this feels to gay people. You people are so isolated that you dont even know that just an ocean away you arent even allowed to be christians in public because the majority of the people there are muslims. So since youre out here defending the fact that people are allowed to make laws based on their morals I gues you also think its correct to stone women and hang gays over there because they live according to the sharia? So they arent assasinating human rights, because thats the law of the land? Lets all write to amnesty international and tell them to stop their effort on behalf of those minorities there, since the majority spoke and theyre allowed to make laws based on their morals and the koran!

Religion is a personal thing, treat it as such. Do not bother me with it because youre in power. As long as I’m not hurting annyone else I should be allowed to be myself, thats true freedom!

If everyone of the officials in power decided to convert to islam and now make legislation based upon the islam and now inforce the sharia, you would be the first to say they shouldnt make legislation based upon their moral beliefs since you dont share them!

I THINK IT IS SO FUNNY THAT THE GAYS WHO ARE AGAINST HATE, AND BIAS…..,

ARE SO HATEFUL & BIASED ABOUT RELIGION!

Fallon,

Please read your bible!!!!!. to know the difference between sin of the flesh ans sin done outside the body. Lev., Acts, 1st and 2nd cor.

black people are conservative on social and religious issues in theory, and should be moreso in practice. we ain’t having that mess.

For gays to get mad at hispanics and blacks is irrational and ridiculous. For them to get mad is also for them to ASSUME that all blacks/hispanics believe that homosexuality is something youre born with. For them to get mad is also to ASSUME that blacks/hispanics do not agree with christian views on homosexuality. Not all blacks/hispanics believe that. Unlike skin color, theres no debating whether its genetic or environmental. Also many blacks/hispanics have more conservative views on sexuality.I have no problem with gays and i support whatever decision they make and believe ALL should have rights. But i believe marriage was made for man/woman. As a black woman, prove to me that its genetic and I PROMISE i will put my heart and soul into protesting for you to reverse the ban.

Being gay is a choice. You chose to come out. There are plenty of closet gays who understand what might happen if they choose to go public. Every group has their own history. Black and gays don’t share a history. Sorry.

Meeko From Detroit

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Redd Tony aka Earth Sign

Thank you for providing some intelligent viewpoints.

and btw, kenyata, muslims, christians, and jews are unanimous on this one. sorry… under no ABRAHAMIC faith would this mess be allowed.

SODDOM AND GOMMORRAH PE0PLE!!!

THATz WHAT THE U.S iZ TURNiNG iNT0…

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And gonna burn just like it.

you are not to looks at thinks with a cardinal mind but with a spritial one. Where in the bible does is say women marry women and men marry men . But I can tell you where is says one women for one man, and where it say a women should not lay with another woman or man should not lay with another man.

This is President-Elect Barack Obama, at The Saddleback Presidential Forum, Moderated by Rick Warren.

August 16, 2008

WARREN: …Define marriage.

OBAMA: I believe that marriage is the union between a man and a woman. Now, for me as a Christian — for me — for me as a Christian, it is also a sacred union. God’s in the mix. But –

WARREN: Would you support a Constitutional Amendment with that definition?

OBAMA: No, I would not.

WARREN: Why not?

OBAMA: Because historically — because historically, we have not defined marriage in our constitution. It’s been a matter of state law. That has been our tradition. I mean, let’s break it down. The reason that people think there needs to be a constitutional amendment, some people believe, is because of the concern that — about same-sex marriage. I am not somebody who promotes same-sex marriage, but I do believe in civil unions. I do believe that we should not — that for gay partners to want to visit each other in the hospital for the state to say, you know what, that’s all right, I don’t think in any way inhibits my core beliefs about what marriage are. I think my faith is strong enough and my marriage is strong enough that I can afford those civil rights to others, even if I have a different perspective or different view.

for me I will live by the word and die by his word, I’m being judge by his word. To live enternally in heaven where none this stuff will be.

@ fallon

I understanding the fact that your exercising your right to voice your opinion. By all means do that. But with all due respect… I don’t think anyone should have a right to scribe into LAW who gay people can and cannot marry.

And from a Biblical standpoint I believe abortion would be considered wrong regardless of rape or incest because it is still represents the destruction of life. No matter how that life was produced. But still abortion is legally justified in this country.

Look I’m not expecting to change anyone’s mind. I believe what I believe and everyone is entitled to his or her own opinion. And this is mine.

I’m a Black Christian heterosexual and I have no right to impose my beliefs on anyone else.

-Jaye ;-/

i dont care if it is genetic (prolly to some degree it is – i mean, everything is), that is beside the point. it carries no phenotypic traits, unlike being black, and therefore does not carry the same weight and consequences, the same dangers, burdens, and responsibilities. gays do not share the same history as us either, and therefore do not share the same residual and multi-generational affects. as example, yall niccas can catch a cab if you are gay and white… try that as a black man to this day. yall probably have been president (lol), for us this is a first. and besides all that, we had to handle our business more or less on our own – we had God and other Christians helping out, but that is it. You need to develop your own network and leave us out of it.

OBAMA , isn’t the judge or jury just the president. he makes choices just like you so it doesn’t matter what he stand for. So you ar saying you take Obama word over GODS because you can see him please. Love Obama too. This has nothing to do with CIVIL RIGHTS.

@ ro

The bible states DIRECTLY AND CLEARLY not to be gay.

Look in the book of Romans

and

Leviticus

@ YUmmy AND to All that THINK that being Gay is a CHOICE.

IF YOU HAD THE CHANCE TO CHOOSE TO BE GAY or CHOOSE TO BE STRAIGHT. WHICH ONE WOULD YOU CHOOSE.

Why would anyone CHOOSE TO BE GAY. BECAUSE ITS FUN, ITS THE COOL THING TO DO. ITS FUN TO BE OSTRACIZED BY YOUR OWN COMMUNITY. TO BE CALLED A FAGGOT/DYKE WHEN YOU WALK DOWN THE STREET WITH YOUR SIGNIFICANT OTHER. TO BE TOLD THAT THE FACT YOU LOVE SOMEONE THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG WITH YOU AND YOU ARE GOING TO HELL.

WHO, I ASK, WHO WOULD CHOOOSE THAT??

Marriage is ordained for a Man and Woman not fags and lesbos… I voted yes;-) for Prop 8!!!!! It is an insult to man and woman hence husband and wife.

@ Jaye

I just said that I can’t tell them what to do, but I’m voicing my opinion.

Why are you saying that I’m forcing something on gay people when I just said they can do that if they want?

@ ro

I don’t think anyone was saying Obama’s word supersedes Gods. The point that was being made is this…

Obama will be responsible for appointing Supreme Court Justices. Most likely he will appoint Justices who share his views. If his view is that gay marriage should be legalize then EVENTUALLY it will be through the Supreme Court.

THAT was the point of mentioning Obama’s name.

THAT was the point that was being made when one blogger stated “a vote for Obama is a vote for gay marriage”

I don’t think any sane person believes Obama’s word is comparable to Gods.

Please.

-Jaye ;-/

And to the people who keep on referencing the Bible – so black people are supposed to be slaves . According to the Bible blacks (I am black) are supposed to be slaves. Someone ANYONE debate me on that point. If you cant then you have no grounds to say that because the Bible is last word on every last thing in life. Learn to think for yourself, and stop expressing ignorant, narrow minded, divisive, views.

@ paris hilton

Do you think Obama would call gay people fags and lesbos. You support for a man that I doubt would invite you over for dinner. Enlighten yourself and stop acting and speaking in gutter terms.

“I THINK IT IS SO FUNNY THAT THE GAYS WHO ARE AGAINST HATE, AND BIAS…..,

ARE SO HATEFUL & BIASED ABOUT RELIGION!”

Because it has been used for centuries as a catalyst for hate and discrimination, something gay people thought black individual would understand.

When its a gay person, its a sin, but everything is fine and dandy when you have sex before marriage, cheating, and getting pregnant.

@common sense

i dont know WHO would choose that i feel what ur saying. being completely compassionate and honest with you. Im simply stating that there is absolutely no way to debate whether a person is black or not as clearly as compared to homosexuality. Thats a question that I cant answer. All I need to know is with out a shadow of a doubt that its a trait youre born with and I would write to pres obama MYSELF. But the bible says otherwise and I was raised in the bible like many others who probably voted in favor of the ban.

My point was that they both Jim Crow and this Prop 8 debacle involve other groups infringing on the rights of them making this a civil rights/human rights issue.

And it does not change the fact that people have consistently used religion to defend their position. The Bible is also very explicit in the role of women (largely of women as property as that’s simply how it was for centuries when it came to marriage) and many other issues most people don’t even blink an eye at today. So I feel the comparison of slave owners using the Bible to justify the enslavement of blacks is apropos.

Re: They read the Bible and saw what they wanted to see/believe. The Bible can be a Rorschach test for many believers. Some read it and focus on feeding the hungry. Others push Prop 8.

Secondly, you are correct that the passing of the bill did not take away other rights gays in California have, but by saying they can’t get “married” continues to make the point that gays and lesbians are not like “us,” the so-called “normal people.”

This is a “separate, but equal” situation. The government has NO right to say who cannot get married when it comes to consenting adults. To say, you can have marriage, but you can’t call it marriage and it can’t be like the marriage others enjoy is wrong. There’s this prevailing attitude that if we call it marriage we can’t say “you’re different” anymore to gays. Marriage is so “wholesome” and ritualistic and mundane. Characteristics not assigned to gays. But you can have domestic partnerships, something like it.

It doesn’t have all the same protections as marriage, but … it’s something like it.

How is that fair? How is that acceptance? It’s a way to keep the opposition from complaining, letting them keep a thin wall between them and those different from them, but a wall IS a wall.

Like I wrote earlier, this proposition was really about fighting the continued normalization of homosexuality. That’s the issue and the real fear. Otherwise, why would they have bothered at all? The “it’s only semantics” argument cuts both ways. If it’s only semantics why do straight people care so much to define marriage as being between a man and a woman? Obviously semantics is huge and the word “marriage” means something bigger than simply “spouse.”

It’s all about one side thinking homosexuality is immoral and should be marginalized and another side thinking homosexuality is a normal part of human sexuality and should be accepted.

And once again, black people who are homosexual have to deal with racism and being gay. Black people need to stop talking about homosexuality as if it’s something white guys do on weekends. These laws affect OUR people too. So I don’t think there’s anything wrong with discussing the Civil Rights movement along side any discussion of other human rights battles. They’re living and fighting both.

Human rights are universal themes that go beyond race, gender and sexual orientation.

I’VE BEEN LOOKING OVER SOME OF THESE CRAZY COMMENTS. HONESTLY IT SEEMS LIKE HOMOSEXUAL PEOPLE SHOULD TRY TO SEE IF SOMEHOW THEY CAN GO WITHOUT PUBLIC OPINION. ONCE SOMETHING HAS TO BE VOTED ON THEN IT MAKES IT OPEN TO PUBLIC. PEOPLE HAVE THEIR OWN BALLADS AND CAN VOTE HOWEVER. THEY AGREE AND DISAGREE AND YOU CAN BE UPSET YES, BUT YOU REALLY CAN’T GET DOWN ON THEM CAUSE IT IS A RIGHT AND IT IS PROTECTED. MANY PEOPLE THAT ARE RELIGIOUS WILL LIVE BY THE WORD, IE MUSLIMS, CHRISTIANS, BUDDHISTS ETC. THIS IS A WORLDLY ISSUE BECAUSE MANY RELIGIONS CAST OUT THE IDEA OF HOMOSEXUALITY. PEOPLE SAY SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE, BUT WHEN YOU LIVE YOUR LIFE BY THE CHURCH THEN HOW CAN YOU TRULY SEPERATE THEM? HOW CAN YOU TELL SOMEONE NOT TO LIVE THEIR LIFE ACCORDING TO WHAT THEY BELIEVE IN OR TELL THEM THEY ARE WRONG?

I DONNO LIKE I SAID EARLIER I THINK HOMOSEXUALS SHOULD FIGHT ON THE MEANS OF CIVIL UNIONS AND REFORM IT ACCORDING TO RIGHTS MEANING AMERICAN THINGS LIKE TAXES, HOSPITAL VISITS,ETC. NOT BIBLICAL MEANS. THEY SHOULD ALSO FIGHT FOR THIS TO NOT BE VOTED ON BY THE GENERAL PUBLIC. I THINK CIVIL UNIONS WILL MAKE HOMOSEXUALS HAPPY TO HAVE THE SAME HUMAN RIGHTS, AND MARRIAGE WILL CONTINUE TO PLEASE RELIGIOUS PEOPLE WITH THEIR RIGHTS TO THEIR RELIGIONS. JUST A THOUGHT….

I THINK OBAMA WILL APPOINT SURPREME COURT JUSTICES THAT WOULD HELP REFORM AND REVISE CIVIL UNIONS. HE SAID HE BELIEVED IN CIVIL UNIONS AND THINKS THAT THEY SHOULD ALLOW MORE RIGHTS.

@ Yummy

Unfortunately there is no study that will say being homosexual is genetic but there is a study that says

# The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services estimated 3 that “as many as 30% of completed youth suicides each year” are performed by gays and lesbians. Unfortunately, many information sources have quoted the 30% as if it is an absolute figure. The Department indicates that it is 30% or fewer. If we assume that the 30% figure is valid and that it is constant across the age range of 15 to 24 years, then approximately 1,488 suicides per year are committed by homosexual youth. If we assume that gays comprise 5% of the total number of youth, then the 1,488 suicides represent an excess of 1240 suicides related to their sexual orientation.

# The Guardian, an English newspaper reported on a study by Dr Ian Rivers, a senior lecturer in social psychology at York, St John College in England. He suggests that there could be as many as 46,000 young people being bullied for their real or perceived sexual orientation in British secondary schools. Any child who does not conform to the norms current in their school can find themselves described as gay or lesbian, regardless of whether they are or not. So the boy who is not keen on football can be targeted, as can the girl who is not interested in make-up. Rivers has looked at the effects of homophobic bullying on young gays and lesbians and found that more than half considered suicide because of aggression at school, and that 40% of that group had actually tried to kill themselves; three-quarters of these had tried to kill themselves more than once

* Homophobia is largely based on religious beliefs which among Christians are derived from about 6 quotations from the Bible.

* Three out of four Americans identify themselves as Christians

* Most Christian churches have actively taught hatred of homosexuality for decades.

* Conservative Christian churches are currently leading the fight to:

o Prevent gays and lesbians from enjoying rights and protections equal to the general population,

o Prohibit marriages for loving, committed same-sex couples,

o Oppose adoption by gay or lesbian adults, and

o Keep accurate information on sexual orientation out of the public schools.

we estimate that Christian churches are responsible for at least 40% of the homophobia in the United States.

Another way of looking at this is to imagine what would happen to the acceptance of homosexuality in North American culture if all religious institutions were as active in promoting equal rights and acceptance of gays and lesbians as the Unitarian Universalist Association and United Church of Christ have been for many years. After a few decades, children would no longer grow up hating homosexuals. After puberty, when a minority of children became aware of their own homosexual or bisexual orientation, they would accept it as a normal expression of human sexuality. They would be far less liable to commit suicide to avoid a life of same-sex orientation.

Everyone should have the right to marry whomever they want. Remember when interracial marriage wasn’t accepted? I don’t believe it’s any different. The Gay/Lesbian community should have the same rights as anyone else. I guess they will just have to keep coming up to Canada to get married. *shrugs*

XP,

Secondly, you are correct that the passing of the bill did not take away other rights gays in California have, but by saying they can’t get “married” continues to make the point that gays and lesbians are not like “us,” the so-called “normal people.”

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SO IS THIS JUST ABOUT A WORD AND PRIDE? I THOUGHT THE WHOLE NO AGAINST PROP 8 WAS ABOUT RIGHTS AS HOMOSEXUAL PEOPLE KEEP STATING? SO IS IT THAT PEOPLE ARE FIGHTING IT BECAUSE THEY WANNA BE CALLED A MARRIED COUPLE? I’M SORRY BUT NOW I’M THINKING THAT’S SILLY. I SURELY HOPE THAT’S NOT WHAT THIS IS ABOUT.

@ fallon

It actually says they should be killed. So if you live by the Bible you believe that all gays should be killed, right. If you don’t then you are going against the Word.

I wish people would stop picking and choosing what parts of the bible to follow. SMH

READ THIS!!! CHURCHES & RELIGIONS IN THE U.S.A. ARE NEXT!

London: Vicars could be sued for refusing to bless gay weddings.

| 11/21/2006 | Steve Doughty

Vicars who refuse to bless same-sex civil partnerships risk being sued under new gay rights rules set to go into force next year.

The new laws meant to stop shops and businesses discriminating against homosexuals can be used against priests who follow the teachings of the Church, the Church of England said.

Fears that Christian ministers and churches will be targeted by gay campaigners were raised after Communities Secretary Ruth Kelly agreed that the rules will go through next April.

Under the laws it will become a offence for hotels to refuse to rent a room to a gay couple or for printers to decline to accept orders to produce gay advertising or magazines.

But churches fear they will be forced to make facilities from parish halls to conference centres available for hire to gay pressure groups.

And the Church of England warned: “Ministers could be the subject of challenge over their unwillingness to provide services of blessing following a civil partnership.”

The new gay equality regulations – to be announced in detail in the New Year – are also likely to include clauses outlawing “harassment” of homosexual customers by businesses.

These will allow homosexuals to sue for injury to their feeling if they believe the behaviour of a shop or business has violated their dignity or has placed them in a humiliating or offensive environment.

Officials at the Department for Communities and Local Government confirmed yesterday that the Sexual Orientation Regulations will go into force on schedule in April.

Miss Kelly – a devout Catholic who is viewed with deep suspicion by gay lobby groups – had been holding up the new rules following objections from the Church of England and other religious organisations.

The delay caused a row inside Cabinet.

Last month Education Secretary Alan Johnson wrote to Miss Kelly demanding that the laws go through without compromise.

Yesterday’s promise that the rules will go into law signals that Mr Johnson has won the battle.

The confirmation from the Communities Department also came as details of how the new rules will apply in Northern Ireland were published – showing that objections have been overruled and that the laws have been strengthened by the inclusion of provisions against harassment.

The rules in Northern Ireland – increasingly seen as a test bed region for laws the Government believes may prove controversial when introduced in the rest of the country – will go into force on 1 January, three months earlier than in England.

One critic, Andrea Williams of the Lawyers’ Christian Fellowship, said: “In Northern Ireland the Government has ignored the consultation which closed only weeks ago, and has dramatically expanded the ambit of the law beyond the proposal that had been made known to the public.”

Penalties for businesses that are found guilty of breaking the new rules in Northern Ireland will be fines of between £500 and £5,000 for a first offence.

Repeated breaches of the rules will mean fines of between £5,000 and £15,000, and cases regarded as serious may attract damages of £25,000.

Opponents of the regulations say the harassment clauses would allow gay campaigners to sue Christian bookshops, claiming that material promoting marriage or saying homosexuality is wrong are offensive and undermine their dignity.

They also say students could sue faith schools on the grounds that teaching about the importance of marriage or that sex outside marriage is wrong is hostile and insulting.

The new regulations follow a European Union equality directive and the main legal basis for them went through Parliament in the Equality Act earlier this year.

MPs and peers will get a chance to debate the rules, which require secondary legislation.

However, they cannot change them – parliament will have the chance only to accept the regulations in their entirety or reject them wholesale.

A spokesman for the Communities Department said: “The regulations will go into force in April. We will publish the Government’s response to the consultation exercise before then.”

I THINK I’M GOING TO LEAVE THIS POST. PEOPLE ARE GETTING WAY TOO EMOTIONAL AND STATING INCORRECT THINGS. I’LL GO DO SOME MORE RESEARCH AND FIND THE TRUE FACTS. GOODNITE EVERYONE

There are people who participate in bestiality, but I don’t see them trying to marry the horse. Lust will drive you anywhere you haven’t set boundaries.

@ Common Sense

umm, no one is scared of homosexuality, ok?

The way I see it, when people say something against it, it’s out of good intentions. Not to hurt their feelings.

It’s because of how the public really treats gay people bad, is why they commit suicide.

I know there are some ignorant people out there who make fun of gays. It’s sad so see that.

But when I tell a gay person what’s up, I try to be kind, it’s because in my belief, I want them to go to heaven.

It won’t kill you to be straigt, is all I’m saying.

But everyone don’t believe in the bible.

I would like to question my own beliefs, though. How come so many people who are struggling with something that has been here since the beggining of time, but God condemns homosexuality when it doesn’t hurt anyone?

Lauren: You’re funny!

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Also, I just want to remind everyone that we are discussing secular law and not religious law. Everyone

I am sure this will be overturned eventually. Hopefully it happens at the state level. But if it doesn’t, it will eventually be handled by the supreme court. And then, all of these religious arguments will not be relevant, because it will not be decided by voters.

And again, I’m sure future generations will be shocked on how bigoted this generation is.

“Everybody don’t believe in Chrisitanity but this country was founded on Christianity beliefs…… so why would we not follow those morals.”

Because the US in now a melting pot, and ideas/laws are changed to accommodate that.

REAL TALK: THAT IS HOW WE ENDED UP WITH TWO BUSH ADMINISTRATIONS! A vast majority of blacks rode with Bush because he didn’t believe in Gay Marriage. People should be ashamed of themselves for judging other people. I don’t give a hoot what the bible says about it. The bottom line is this:

ON JUDGEMENT DAY YOU WILL BE JUDGED, NOT THE ONE DOING THE JUDGING. WORRY ABOUT YOUR OWN AFTER LIFE ARRANGEMENTS AND STOP CONCERNING YOURSELF WITH OTHER PEOPLES…..

I HATE THAT…PEOPLE WANNA JUSTIFY THEIR JUDGEMENTAL BEHAVIOR TOWARDS OTHERS BY QUOTING THE BIBLE. ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE YOU ARE BEING A HYPOCRITE. NO SIN IS GREATER THAN THE NEXT.

MIND YOUR BUSINESS, LET THEM PEOPLE BE MARRIED AND GET YOUR MIND RIGHT!!!!

“Everybody don’t believe in Christianity but this country was founded on Christianity beliefs…… so why would we not follow those morals.”

Because the US in now a melting pot, and ideas/laws are changed to accommodate that.

I voted yes on 8. Gay people will do what gay people do…but marriage is between a man and a woman…bottom line.

@ fallon

I never said anyone is scared of gay people.

I commend the fact that you understand how hard it is to just “BE” gay because of how society treats them.

I am gay and was not surprised that my rights were taken away for Prop 8. Nor am I surprised that a majority of black people are against it. It is now my job as a gay black person to educate my community (the straight black community) about the day to day struggles that gay people face especially gay black people (men and women). Understand that kids are DYING out here because of homophobia (i.e Lawernce King 15 years old shot in head by classmate).

I just say to those (not you fallon) who keep using the Bible as a way to express hate to really sit down and think if Jesus would really tell a gay person that they are a freak and are going to hell. I know my Jesus would not.

Thank You Common Sense….Your name really should be RARE SENSE

I just say to those (not you fallon) who keep using the Bible as a way to express hate to really sit down and think if Jesus would really tell a gay person that they are a freak and are going to hell. I know my Jesus would not.

CO-SIGN ON THIS!!!!

@ non judgemental

I believe that gay people should try to stop what they’re doing by praying and having faith in him(that is if they believe in God, anyway).

If they don’t, they shouldn’t even bother since they want to do what they want to do.

& I don’t judge them, God does.

If anyone wants to get mad at what I say, be mad at God because I didn’t make this up.

I’m not a complete duck, though. I have thought about rather I want to follow the Bible.

Honestly, I can’t tell what God will actually do because things get complicated, just like this. There’s all types of reasons why people do what they do, but to me, nothing is impossible.

@ fallon

If I prayed to my Jesus about not being gay, my Jesus would say – “I love you as you are”

@Lauren

It is purely common sense if we are working on the premise that homosexuality is not innate. If you are exposed to gay behavior the more likely you are to engage in that same behavior. Not saying that you will but you are more likely to. That much is clear.

you can not compare the stuggle with the gay anti god life style. i’m proud of those that put there foot down.

GOD is against sodomy and it clearly states that it is an abomination in the bible……In GOD’s eyes you shouldnt have anal sex, sex with animals, and with objects. If you are a christian your suppose to love your brotheren but not support something that GOD is clearly against. Marriage was brought upon us for religious purposes, it is a symbol between the couple and GOD,,,,,,if you dont believe in GOD then why are you participating in a religious ceremony?

People are born with their skin color, not gay in my opinion. Now days being gay is trendy and alot of people just like to experiment. Also, many say well gays have it hard why would they choose to be gay….my answer to that is because they like it, they are attracted to the same sex. WHy does men like molesting girls? because they like it. I truly believe if you dont want to be gay stop sleeping with the same sex.

Two male dogs may be fond of each other, two male or female dogs may be in heat and try to function with one another, but once they see that their tools malfunction when used together, they find a female or she finds a male dog to carry out their function. The idea that we can be whatever we want to be is a great one, but you first have to think what was I created to be? Animals don’t have the heavy responsibility that we have of productive reasoning, because they are instinctive. We are able to reason with our instinct. I do feel since we are born with both testosterone & estrogen that there is some that have more on both sides then others; however I feel that it’s still a choice that you have to make. Concerning urges: I was not born a smoker, but through many reasons, mainly curiosity began to smoke, even though my body could or would not benefit from it. When I started to quit, the desire and urges were strong, to the extent that it wasn’t wise for me to be around people that smoke, it played on my mind like a symphony, every time stress or some ordinary event of life occurred I wanted a cig. I fought the mental battles over the feelings daily, the longer I held out the less the urge became, to the point now that is of no effect toward me. Just an example.

@ Common Sense

…Then Jesus would be a hyprocrite because the bible says not to be gay.

He said he would help you with your problems and that you should strive to become more like him.

Let God be their judge then. It is not up to you to treat them differently because they lead a different life than yours.

I believe that gay people should try to stop what they’re doing by praying and having faith in him(that is if they believe in God, anyway).

YOU SHOULD STOP WHATEVER SINS YOU COMMIT AND PRAY AND HAVE FAITH.

Stop concerning yourself with what other people were doing. If we focused on our own selves we would not have time to toil over other peoples problems…WHY? Because we have so many problems of our own.

@ XP,

Did you not hear what I said that I am working on the premise that homosexual is not innate. I am not saying that it is not innate but if we assume so then it is obvious that exposure to homosexuality equals greater chance of being homosexual.

I have begun to realize, (and its sad), that ignorance cannot be reversed when hate is at its base. I am happy to say that I dont hate anyone, not because of their religious preference, sexuality, race, gender, disability/ability, and so on. For those of you who revel in hate, I am really sorry for you. Because hate only limits growth, opportunity, and your ability to understand your purpose in life.

I wish you all the best, and i promise you gay people will get their right to marry just like a black man get the right to lead the most powerful country in the world.

You can’t stop change, you can only be left behind.

I have begun to realize, (and its sad), that ignorance cannot be reversed when hate is at its base. I am happy to say that I dont hate anyone, not because of their religious preference, sexuality, race, gender, disability/ability, and so on. For those of you who revel in hate, I am really sorry for you. Because hate only limits growth, opportunity, and your ability to understand your purpose in life.

I wish you all the best, and i promise you gay people will get their right to marry just like a black man got the right to lead the most powerful country in the world.

You can’t stop change, you can only be left behind.

@ fallon

The bible always says that black people should be slaves. so when the slaves prayed to god to be free than Jesus should have made sure they stay enslaved right?

@ Common Sense

OMG! Where in the world does it say that?

Tell me?

@ Brothas Unite

Has being around gay people made you more gay?

Common Sense

@ Brothas Unite

Has being around gay people made you more gay?

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yes

@ fallon

Slavery in the Bible:

1. ‘The Bible says that all the patriarchs had slaves. Abraham, the friend of God, and the father of the faithful, bought slaves from Haran (Gen. 12:50), included them in his property list (Gen. 12:16, 24:35-36), and willed them to his son Isaac (Gen. 26:13-14). What is more, Scripture says God blessed Abraham by multiplying his slaves (Gen. 24:355).

2.

Numbers, chapter 31, says that the Hebrews slew all the Midianites with the exception of female virgins whom the Hebrews kept for themselves.” At Gods command Joshua took slaves (Josh 9:23), as did David (1 Kings 8:2,6) and Solomon (1 Kings 9:20-21). Leviticus 25:44-46, says, You may acquire male and female slaves from the nations that are around you. Then too, out of the sons of the sojourners who live as aliens among you…they also may become your possession. You may bequeath them to your sons after you, to inherit as a possession forever [i.e., the slaves children would be born into slavery along with their childrens children, forever]. The Lord also tells his people to bore holes in the ears of a slave to mark him as his masters possession forever.

3.

The Bible also allows a creditor to enslave his debtor or his debtors children (2 Kings 4:1). Also, children could be sold into slavery by their parents (Exodus 21:7; Isaiah 50:1), so sayeth the word of the Lord.

4. The Bible tells us that a master may beat his slaves: If a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod and he dies at his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives a day or two (before dying), no vengeance shall be taken; for the slave is his masters money. (Ex. 21:20-21).

5. According to the Bible, anyone who has enough money to buy another human being is worthy of all honor (1 Tim. 6:1) in the eyes of the one who has been purchased. Slaves should seek to fulfill the will of God by obediently serving their masters (Eph. 6:5-6). Slaves who endured suffering (including unjust suffering) were acceptable of God (1 Peter 2:18-20). So if slaves do not find their masters worthy of all honor, but disobey their masters, and refuse to endure sufferings imposed by their masters, such behavior displeases not only man, but God as well. Even Jesus, in his parables, took for granted that a master had the right to discipline his disobedient slaves: The slave who knew his masters will, but did not do it, was beaten with many stripes. (Luke 12:47)

@ fallon

Slavery in the Bible:

‘The Bible says that all the patriarchs had slaves. Abraham, the friend of God, and the father of the faithful, bought slaves from Haran (Gen. 12:50), included them in his property list (Gen. 12:16, 24:35-36), and willed them to his son Isaac (Gen. 26:13-14). What is more, Scripture says God blessed Abraham by multiplying his slaves (Gen. 24:355).

Numbers, chapter 31, says that the Hebrews slew all the Midianites with the exception of female virgins whom the Hebrews kept for themselves.” At Gods command Joshua took slaves (Josh 9:23), as did David (1 Kings 8:2,6) and Solomon (1 Kings 9:20-21). Leviticus 25:44-46, says, You may acquire male and female slaves from the nations that are around you. Then too, out of the sons of the sojourners who live as aliens among you…they also may become your possession. You may bequeath them to your sons after you, to inherit as a possession forever [i.e., the slaves children would be born into slavery along with their childrens children, forever]. The Lord also tells his people to bore holes in the ears of a slave to mark him as his masters possession forever.

The Bible also allows a creditor to enslave his debtor or his debtors children (2 Kings 4:1). Also, children could be sold into slavery by their parents (Exodus 21:7; Isaiah 50:1), so sayeth the word of the Lord.

The Bible tells us that a master may beat his slaves: If a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod and he dies at his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives a day or two (before dying), no vengeance shall be taken; for the slave is his masters money. (Ex. 21:20-21).

According to the Bible, anyone who has enough money to buy another human being is worthy of all honor (1 Tim. 6:1) in the eyes of the one who has been purchased. Slaves should seek to fulfill the will of God by obediently serving their masters (Eph. 6:5-6). Slaves who endured suffering (including unjust suffering) were acceptable of God (1 Peter 2:18-20). So if slaves do not find their masters worthy of all honor, but disobey their masters, and refuse to endure sufferings imposed by their masters, such behavior displeases not only man, but God as well. Even Jesus, in his parables, took for granted that a master had the right to discipline his disobedient slaves: The slave who knew his masters will, but did not do it, was beaten with many stripes. (Luke 12:47)

We are born with general urges, they are not defined, what our parents feed them or allow us to feed them, and as adults what we choose to feed them defines them. Born with the urge to eat, to use the bathroom, to see, to touch, to hear etc. What we are allowed to see, touch, feel, listen to, eat, hear or creates taste buds in every category. This is as babies, so I also conclude because of the helpless state that we are in as infants, we can also be introduced to things against our power, and these things have can power up or become definition to urges and desires.

Slavery in the Bible:

‘The Bible says that all the patriarchs had slaves. Abraham, the friend of God, and the father of the faithful, bought slaves from Haran (Gen. 12:50), included them in his property list (Gen. 12:16, 24:35-36), and willed them to his son Isaac (Gen. 26:13-14). What is more, Scripture says God blessed Abraham by multiplying his slaves (Gen. 24:355).

Numbers, chapter 31, says that the Hebrews slew all the Midianites with the exception of female virgins whom the Hebrews kept for themselves.” At Gods command Joshua took slaves (Josh 9:23), as did David (1 Kings 8:2,6) and Solomon (1 Kings 9:20-21). Leviticus 25:44-46, says, You may acquire male and female slaves from the nations that are around you. Then too, out of the sons of the sojourners who live as aliens among you…they also may become your possession. You may bequeath them to your sons after you, to inherit as a possession forever [i.e., the slaves children would be born into slavery along with their childrens children, forever]. The Lord also tells his people to bore holes in the ears of a slave to mark him as his masters possession forever.

The Bible also allows a creditor to enslave his debtor or his debtors children (2 Kings 4:1). Also, children could be sold into slavery by their parents (Exodus 21:7; Isaiah 50:1), so sayeth the word of the Lord.

The Bible tells us that a master may beat his slaves: If a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod and he dies at his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives a day or two (before dying), no vengeance shall be taken; for the slave is his masters money. (Ex. 21:20-21).

According to the Bible, anyone who has enough money to buy another human being is worthy of all honor (1 Tim. 6:1) in the eyes of the one who has been purchased. Slaves should seek to fulfill the will of God by obediently serving their masters (Eph. 6:5-6). Slaves who endured suffering (including unjust suffering) were acceptable of God (1 Peter 2:18-20). So if slaves do not find their masters worthy of all honor, but disobey their masters, and refuse to endure sufferings imposed by their masters, such behavior displeases not only man, but God as well. Even Jesus, in his parables, took for granted that a master had the right to discipline his disobedient slaves: The slave who knew his masters will, but did not do it, was beaten with many stripes. (Luke 12:47)

OK! So all of you who want gay marriage…, if you get that, what will be the next thing you go after???

@ Mock Rock Star

So being around straight people should have reset that and made you more straight

Conservative Christianity is a political movement in the United States, not a world-wide religious movement.

Don’t you know that conservative groups like Focus on the Family just manipulate religion to promote their own power and money? They are hurting the true form of your faith and religion and mix messages of hate with messages of love. Conservative Christianity is a political movement, not a religious movement.

The articles that Da Truff is posting are just propaganda. Wake up! You are being manipulated.

Don’t you know you are corrupting your religion? Don’t you know you are allowing your country to remain corrupt?

@ Common Sense

If you read my earlier post you would know that I am undecided on the gay marriage issue because I do not know if it is innate or not. If it is not innate then it MUST be learned or conditioned — simple logic. Therefore, if it is learned or conditioned homosexual/same-sex imagery would make one more prone to engaging in the same activity. As such, a religious person would be justified in being anti-gay marriage.

People keep bringing up Sodom and Gomorrah.

Don’t forget that at the end of the story Lot has sex with both of his daughters. And he was the “pure” one that God was protecting from the homosexuals.

Lot also offered his daughters up for gang rape to the mob outside.

Don’t you think there is more to this story than “homosexuality is wrong?” If you, then do you think homosexuality=bad, rape=good, incest=good?

If the ballot measure was to deny rights to straight people who lived together without the benefit of marriage, I wonder how many people would vote yes. Especially from the group of “so called Christians” who forget that in the Bible a sin is a sin. I don’t think the gay struggle can be compared to the civil rights struggle, but we [Blacks] are the absolute last people who should be denying others their rights under the law. It’s all kinda Talibanish to me.

To be blunt, being gay is a CHOICE, race is NOT! Annnnnd how could he even compare blacks struggles with the passing of prop 8…now that’s ridiculous! Annnnd FYI, blacks not only backed prop 8 but white republicans supported it to the fullest. If you’re a Chhristian, of course do not judge but God does NOT say anywhere in the Bible nor teaches about gay/bi sexual marriage. So, back to the quote–it wasn’t just blacks that made this happen, THANK you very much!

@ Common Sense

Honestly, I have not read or even known that was there. I have my bible in my hand right now and it’s true!

I’m going to have to re-read this 100 times over.

I know there’s alot of things in the bible that is quoted, and symbolic. It takes a while to get a lot of things in the bible completely.

I want to tell you to make sure you read the whole thing and get a good understanding because somethings in the bible can be a little radical and may have another meaning behind it.

I don’t believe that God really meant to tell people to go get some slaves. I don’t even know if he’s saying that. I’ll look over that, though.

Thank you for pointing that out.

@ Mock

Well lets do a live experiment. Has being around a gay person made you more gay. Has seeing two girls kiss each other make you more gay. They are gay so seeing them kiss should spark that gay magic to turn you to guys. My point is I bet you being around gay girls makes you like GIRLS even more and I am sure all the straight women who have been around gay men are not running to find some women to be with.

@ Anyone brave enough…

OK! So all of you who want gay marriage…, if you get that, what will be the next thing you go after???

Please somebody tell me!

GAY PEOPLE CAN BE RACIST TOO

Brothers Unite,

Homosexuality is basically inate, but like many other things, for some people its an experience that is enjoyed and continued; maybe because it just good, or because the gay was surpessed. Sometimes you just fall in love with a person. Overall, its far too complicated to explain in a few minutes. Just know that being gay is not something that someone just chooses. Why would anyone (including me) choose to be judged and ostrasized? I just can’t help who I am, and I’ve tried. Thanks for asking and not judging. Peace

@ fallon,

We are almost there.

Now that you see that slavery is OKed in the Bible, and that being Gay is seen as a sin wouldn’t it make sense that sometimes the Bible somethings in the bible as you said “can be a little radical and may have another meaning behind it.”

Thus the Bible should not and cannot be the basis to prove that A) The enslavement of Blacks by whites was not only ok but “honorable” AND B) Being Gay is a sin

@ ROLECALL

The articles that Da Truff is posting are just propaganda. Wake up! You are being manipulated.

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Hmmm… So actual court cases & laws are propaganda? I can only imagine what you manipulate as being the truth!

I would rather sleep in my world than “wake up” in the one you wish for.

@ dcgal

Yes gay people can be racist. Even racist against other gay people (Gosh what a thought) But what does this have to do with anything

I just dont agree with telling grwn ass people they cant get married b/c you dont agree with it. Pass some laws that will have these sex predators locked up forever because they will never change and contine to hurt our children and all gays wanna do is show their love for each other. I would love to see in the BIBLE where GOD SAYS THAT gAYS COULDNT GET MARRIED. People interpret the Bible to what they want it to be and it also MANMADE.

@ Lauren, XP, and Common Sense

Look, it is either innate or not. If it is not innate then that makes it a choice just like smoking a cigarette or being cheating on your spouse. It’s that simple. If it is a choice then America has a choice to be for it or against it. In that sense it is in no way comparable to race. If it is innate then America has no right to be against gay activity. Show me that this is innate unlike being predisposed to smoking, drinking, or promiscuity and then I will be all for gay marriage.

Being black is NOT synonymous with being Gay. Its race vs. sexual preference. I understand the frustration of the homosexual community but its disrespectful to say blacks should “know how it feels”. No one who has not been in the Black struggle can ever “know how it feels” to be in our position! It is not the same!

TYPO- GROWN, CONTINUE

@ Lauren

@ da truff

what else would i go after?

healthcare, education, gun control, immigration. just to name a few.

personally?

a quest to find the worlds only unicorn. the loch ness monster, the pot of gold at the end of rainbows… and er… i guess respect for all mankind.

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Ha! lol!!!

OK…, you can go with that, but we all know there is more on the agenda…….

Comparing being black to being gay is an illogical position since one you’re born into and the other is a lifestyle choice in my mind.

Gay’s can be racist just ask a minority gay/lesbian person to express their experiences with it inside the gay community.

The gay community has jacked the civil rights blueprint in their quest for so called equality.

Defining folks by sexuality is wack ie I like the doggy style position do I get certain rights because of that?

I say give them civil union rights(for property rights, insurance and such) but not to call it marriage as societally defined by a man and a woman.

@ Common Sense

The bible does not mean that, and I didn’t say I was ok with it. I’m not, but have you read the whole book and stuff connected to it?

Not everything that is said in the bible is literal.

Also, God says that he would avenge anyone who has EVER been harmed in anyway, so he will get any and everyone back who ever participated in Slavery and any other bad event and thing done to a human being.

He’d be a hyprocrite if that was true.

GOD DOES NOT APPROVE OF SLAVERY!

I voted against prop. 8, but I was very conflicted … and truth be told I was glad it passed.

I’m sorry, but I think homosexuality is a sexual right, not necessarily a basic right, and that it should include civil unions, but not marriage.

I voted for it because I don’t think laws should be made to discriminate against sects of people, but that doesn’t change my personal feelings on the subject. I just voted objectively, but I can’t really blame anyone who didn’t.

@ Lauren

You are right “there ARE ridiculous people on this planet.” And “everyone shouldn’t have to suffer because of these few examples.”

The only one’s who will suffer will be the Christians & other religions who will have to end up worshiping in fear & secrecy.

PS: There are hundreds more of examples like those…., not just a few.

Dude was just trying to say blacks should know how it feels not be able to do legal things that others can.

@ Mock

Another example for you then, ask yourself “Did you choose to be straight” if not, than you must conclude that a person does not have a choice when it comes to sexuality. If I cannot CHOOSE to be straight than i cannot CHOOSE to be gay. Its that simple.

Proofs people, if you have ever taken a logic class in school, you would know that proofs are a debaters best friend.

@ Lauren

If you cannot prove that it is innate then you have to deal with the fact that religious people will be against it since most religions explicitly forbid it. And to tell black religious folks that they are hypocrites for being anti-gay marriage is disrespectful of them and their religion.

@ Fallon

According to the Bible God does approve of slavery:

According to the Bible, anyone who has enough money to buy another human being is worthy of all honor (1 Tim. 6:1) in the eyes of the one who has been purchased. Slaves should seek to fulfill the will of God by obediently serving their masters (Eph. 6:5-6). Slaves who endured suffering (including unjust suffering) were acceptable of God (1 Peter 2:18-20). So if slaves do not find their masters worthy of all honor, but disobey their masters, and refuse to endure sufferings imposed by their masters, such behavior displeases not only man, but God as well. Even Jesus, in his parables, took for granted that a master had the right to discipline his disobedient slaves: The slave who knew his masters will, but did not do it, was beaten with many stripes. (Luke 12:47)

Oh and to use your quote” God says that he would avenge anyone who has EVER been harmed in anyway, so he will get any and everyone back who ever participated in Slavery and any other bad event and thing done to a human being.” God should avenge gay people who have stripped of their rights (Prop 8), or killed by hate (Matthew Sheppard, Lawernce King, etc).

Oh and please cite in the Bible where God does not approve of slavery

@ Brothers Unite

I think you could use this too:

Another example for you then, ask yourself “Did you choose to be straight” if not, than you must conclude that a person does not have a choice when it comes to sexuality. If I cannot CHOOSE to be straight than i cannot CHOOSE to be gay. Its that simple.

Proofs people, if you have ever taken a logic class in school, you would know that proofs are a debaters best friend.

@ Lauren

i respect every and anyone that contributes positively to this society. thats it and thats all. i live in san francisco, and this is a serious issue.

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Since you live in SF…, how did you vote, or where do you stand on the prostitution issue???

some of you speak as if they are not people because they are gay all people deserve the same rightunless they are criminals. Didnt god craete everyone equal thats also in the bibe. He also love thy neighbors and thou shalt not kill but we have the death penalty and are quick to say something off the wall about gay people and others. My point is people need to stop using the bible to justify their means of hate.

@ Da Truff

I see you have Obama as your profile picture. Do you know that Obama supported a No against prop 8.

like i sid you can interpret the bible to be watever you want if it makes a little sense.

sorry for the typos again

@ Common Sense

I said…

“Not everything that is said in the bible is literal. ”

I don’t want to keep having to repeating this, but please READ THE WHOLE BIBLE and try to understand it.

Do you realize there are people who make a living out of STUDYING the Bible because it’s so hard to understand sometimes and it’s controversal?

How can you take a paragragh or few, and say that is the literal meaning just by looking at it. To understand the bible, you have to constantly be involved in it everyday. My father is 40 years old, and there are things he still doesn’t understand.

You may have pointed that out, but I can assure you that you are mistaken and mislead.

I wish I could tell you the answer to this, but I haven’t had much experience. GO and ask a reputable priest about that or someone who studys the bible. He’ll give you a better answer than I can.

Peace.

It’s comparing apples to oranges and I disagree with comparison of the two struggles.

However, these news outlets are simply stating the facts. Two groups that are minority groups in America voted AGAINST the civil rights of a human being. The very principles that Blacks argued and struggled against for so long. No government or group has the right for that kind of power. So, in a sense these two CAN be compared.

Homosexuality can be defined as sexual preference, but is more properly defined as human nature because homosexuality is NOTa choice to most people.

I agree with Common Sense who has made some extremely valid points.

Two points to consider:

1. Obamas election can be defined as a WIN for a. Blacks b. Democrats c. Middle Class d. America. Each group is going to stake it as a claim, and several people can fall into several categories. Its not a win for ONLY blacks. The passing of Prop H8te is a LOSS for homosexuals which can include: a. blacks b. latins. e. whites d. democrats e. republicans.

2. Most men ENJOY watching two girls kiss. This is an act of homosexuality. The fact that most macho all guys guys derive sexual pleasure from watching an act of homosexuality should be a fact to consider.

Remember: The media is just stating the facts, not placing blame, but certainly implying.

Our country supposed to be free? What about those who dont believe in the bible why should they suffer because of what others belief. If your of legal age to make a decision why cant their marriage be legal it aint like straight people staying married these days anyhow? The more couples bonded in love the better.

@ Lauren

@ da truff!

The only one’s who will suffer will be the Christians & other religions who will have to end up worshiping in fear & secrecy.

PS: There are hundreds more of examples like those…., not just a few.

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why would you feel as though you would have to worship in fear and secrecy?

why would someone persecute you because you simply opened your hearts and abided by the teachings of love that we all depend on so heavily?

if anything, you would generate more followers and supporters of a religion that shows tolerance for being different. and maybe with the unification of these two groups, a stronger front can be created to further spread the teachings of this religion?

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Hundreds of “gay rights” supporters surrounded a chuch in LA last night. They shouted, cursed, made obscene gestures and a few exposed themselves. They threatened to disrupt services and nearly assaulted someone who came outside to remove “gay rights” signs and slogans from church property.

That’s why!

I don’t want to give you more examples because you will just dismiss them as propaganda.

@ Common Sense

Did I choose to be straight? Let me start with this: I have chosen not to engage in a homosexual act and to not think about the same sex in a sexual way. I think every straight person makes this choice consciously or sub-consciously. Before I first had sex with a woman I had no way of knowing whether it would be pleasurable or not other than what I heard from others. So, in a sense, by choosing to try heterosexual sex and not try or even envision homosexual activity I chose to be straight.

For the most part I agree with the most of what people are stating. One no one can hide the fact that they are black. It is a true statement that you can hide if you are a homosexual. And the history of blacks can not be compared to the history of the gay community. Black people were tormented and hanged and defiently were not treated the same. Maybe a couple of snickers and the cold shoulder and the ” you can sit here because you are…” and some slurs but nothing to the affect of a black person. So there are so similiarities but it is a MAJOR Difference. If I was in Calif. I would have probably voted no because they dont bother me. As A hetero black male, what they do is none of my business. Hey Chris Rock said it best when he said if they would to live long miserable happy lives as a married couple with bad ass kids,LET THEM. I do not and will not answer for them. Because believ it or not, there are biblical reason speaking out against homosexuality but you can not show me in the bible where it tells me to discrimate against someone because of their race. But there is also love not hate when you speak about the bible. so many can argue that point. But for the community to act like we are the same is something i do not agree with

@ fallon

I feel like I am hitting a brick wall when I keep on explaining to you the obvious. Reading the whole Bible you will see only a COUPLE of points saying being gay is a sin. Reading the whole Bible you will only see a COUPLE of points saying that slavery is “honorable”. So does that make either point RIGHT. Is the Bible RIGHT to say that being Gay is a sin. Is the Bible RIGHT to say that slavery is honorable. If you say that being Gay is a sin because the Bible said so than you would have to say in the same breath that slavery is honorable because the Bible said so. So YOU CANNOT USE THE BIBLE AS A BLANKET BASIS TO PROVE WHAT IS MORALLY RIGHT AND WHAT IS MORALLY WRONG – because as you said yourself you cannot take the Bible literally. Its THAT SIMPLE. Dont take the BIBLE LITERALLY.

Common Sense

@ Da Truff

I see you have Obama as your profile picture. Do you know that Obama supported a No against prop 8.

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Did you see my post at 5:34pm???

Austin

I concur, and you make very valid points regarding fornication and gluttony being sins. Although, I will admit that I haven’t fully accepted the unity of gay marriage.

DA TRUFF!!!

‘OBAMA: I am not somebody who promotes same-sex marriage, but I do believe in civil unions. I do believe that we should not — that for gay partners to want to visit each other in the hospital for the state to say, you know what, that’s all right, I don’t think in any way inhibits my core beliefs about what marriage are. I think my faith is strong enough and my marriage is strong enough that I can afford those civil rights to others, even if I have a different perspective or different view.’

I agree

The constitution states there is to be a separation of church and state. Therefore it really does not matter what the bible says about gay people. Because all Americans are not Christians and even if they were, their beliefs are not to influence who has rights under the laws of the land. This is unconstitutional. And beware when they start taking people’s rights, you may be next in line.

Furthermore the bible also state’s thou shall not kill, but the death penalty is still in effect. I could say follow all of the bible not just the parts you like and agree with, but the bible too has contradictions, or parts that could be interpreted in various ways, but the Major point repeated over and over is about love, loving thy fellow man, acceptance, forgiveness and not to judge. I think if people focused on those points we would have more peace.

@ Common Sense

No, it’s you who doesn’t understand.

But what’s the point in trying to explain something to someone who doesn’t believe in it?

Please believe there are A LOT of metaphors and similes, fiqure of speeches, etc. in the bible. That’s what I was saying. You keep saying..”the bible SAYS”, but I told you there’s another meaning behind it. He don’t literally mean for people to go find some slaves. find it out if it’s so interesting to you.

It’s just simple critical thinking skills, if you think about it.

I take it seriously because it’s my religion, so I’d be a hyprocrite if I went against it like that.

The whole point in arguing about our morals is POINTLESS because people are going to have their opinions regardless, yes?

But, it doesn’t matter to you.

My whole point in the beggining was let gay people be if they want. Don’t mix church with the govt. however, I personally don’t approve of it.

I will still be a christian til the day I die. I want you to go to heaven, but if you choose to do what you do and believe what you believe.

so be it.

@ Lauren

@ da truff

i voted for legalizing prositution for a number of reasons (placing all personal moral ideals aside, as i could never prostitute, but to each his own)

A. its the oldest profession in history, in providing a “service” to an individual, making it a business transaction.

B. by regulating it, we can make it safer and more cost effective for the city. millions are spent on jailing prostitutes repeatedly and sending them to court. that money comes out of our pockets.

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I’m not surprised by your answer. You should not be surprised I am against it.

Hmmm…, whats your position on drug decriminalization? How about abortion and the age of sexual consent???

they shouldn’t have assumed that just because they blacks/hispanics are democrats they were going to vote for gay marriage. there are a lot of blacks/hispanics who hold to their religious values and don’t believe in gay marriage, yet they are democrat. is it wrong? no. why? because political affiliation shouldn’t be based on religious values.

@ fallon

In plain english, can you tell me if

A. In your opinion, is slavery right?

B. Does the Bible say say slavery is right?

C. In your opinion, is being gay wrong?

D. Does the Bible say the being gay is wrong?

Now look at your answers for both sets of questions. Are you basing your opinions of the Bible or are you basing your answers off just your plain own opinion?

@ Lauren

OK…, so are YOU for crime free drugs, abortion, and what do you think the age of sexual consent should be?

Let’s try and keep government conspiracies out of it.

As a straight black person who voted against prop 8, I came to a similar conclusion that the passage of this prop had a lot to do with minority voters coming out in record numbers. I’m from the Bay Area and would think my peers would be more tolerant, not at all. If you are a religious person keep the government out of your religion. The best argument they could come up with is “Marriage is sacred” or “I don’t want to see two men kissing” “What would you do if your son came home and stated their friend has two dads”

Prop 8 is not going to stop people from being gay, you will still have to explain homosexuality to your children. Marriage can occur between atheist and be performed by a Judge, Captain of a ship, or anyone who pays a couple hundred dollars on the internet to become ordained, and until death do us part? Most marriages don’t make it anywhere near death.

@ blaq

Your points are almost poetic. Thank you.

@ Da Truff

there is nothing wrong with your beliefs, but with all due respect everyone should be able to live their lives how they see fit. so if they want to abort a child, smoke dope, or marry some one of the same sex our government should allow them, as they should allow you to live your life how you see fit.

The correct term would be “Bible Thumper” (not humper, as you so rudely referred to me as I was never indignant with you) had other things to do with her day aside from staying and arguing a point that you so obviously do not understand. It is obvious that you seek to make a mockery of the morality of God because you have no understanding. You so easily back up something that is so definately incorrect, yet you smirk at the idea of learning why someone like myself chooses to believe in the Lord and perhaps bring you to the understanding of why I feel so strongly about my relationship (1234, you never heard me mention religion. as I know that religion is no where near close to a relationship. And if you know God, then you know that despite his all knowing power, HE DOES NOT AGREE WITH HOMOSEXUALITY AND DIRECTLY STATES THAT IT IS AN ABOMINATION. READ ROMANS) and the things that I’ve learned. So I will close by saying, book sense will get you far in some places. Spiritual knowledge will carry you thru life and beyond. Do yourself a favor and find out for yourself.

Have a good evening.

@lauren my last message was for you dear.

@ blaq

@ Da Truff

there is nothing wrong with your beliefs, but with all due respect everyone should be able to live their lives how they see fit. so if they want to abort a child, smoke dope, or marry some one of the same sex our government should allow them, as they should allow you to live your life how you see fit.

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So I guess anarchy looks pretty good to you too.

@ Riddle Me

While the Christianity is a beautiful religion it is not for everyone. Religion is not for everyone. This is the united state and I should not have to follow the teaching of yours or anyone’s religion. What if my GOD feels that love is love homosexual or straight? You may feel like that is not right, but who’s to say I’m right and you’re not. This is the reason the government and church are separate. I like your last statement about finding out for yourself, we should give everyone the freedom to do that.

@ Da Truff

how do you feel about the death penalty?

I am black, heterosexual, I live In CA and I voted NO on Prop 8 because it is wrong to discriminate. Period. But I wonder how many gay people get riled up and rally against issues that effect people of color? There were several propositions in San Francisco and in California generally that passed/or didnt pass that will have a negative impact on Blacks and Latinos…I wonder how many gay people voted against the interests of people of color? Where is the accountability?

@ Lauren

“i personally think any man is gross if he needs to go after some chick thats out of his age range. thats pathetic to me on their part. but you can get a sense of what is right or wrong,”

(Hmmm.., so a guy like this would be gross & pathetic but the guy/guy & girl/girl stuff is cool???)

“the thing is, none of these exceptions are made in these propositions.. its all or nothing. so one must weigh the lesser of the two evils and really consider what is better for this government and/or city as a whole.”

(Hmmm…, as with this issue, the gays want all or nothing. They are unwilling to take the exceptions and consider what is better for the whole.)

Gays must not be discriminated against. They should be given the same rights as everyone else. You can’t protect your children from the existence of gays. They are here, have been here since the dawn of man, and will be around when humans become extinct. Gays are important people within our society, have made major contributions, and have earned our long overdue respect.

There is nothing wrong with gay marriages, and I am sad that all of those couples who were married recently now must fight to stay married. Freedoms in America obviously aren’t free, prices always have to be paid to obtain freedoms. I hope the LGBT community fights all the way to the U.S. Supreme court over this. Don’t give up!

I am straight with a gay relative who resides in Cali that I love very much.

Homosexuality is a perverted Spirit, it’s nothing more but a demonic possession. The longer the perversion takes over, the more the persons physical body begins to change and act like the perverted Spirit. It’s confusion, and God is not apart of any thing confusing.

And for the gentleman who thinks that people should be able to live their lives the way they choose, that is why society is so screwed up now. We have started to accept anything. When people do what they want to do, it affects others. The drunk driver kills an innocent person, the drug dealer kills and innocent by stander, the rapist rapes a child.

@ blaq

@ Da Truff

how do you feel about the death penalty?

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Get rid of it. I prefer life at hard labor without the possibility of parole.

Killing a criminal is not punishment, once they are dead it’s over. Let ‘em think about it for 50+ years under less than ideal conditions.

*** Homosexuality and the support of homosexuality is complete WRONG. if we’re not to pay for it on earth, those who are and support it WILL pay the price for doing so. HELL IS REAL PEOPLE!! ***

When this proposition was placed on the ballot not many african americans and latino voters took the time took really read and understand what this meant to the gay and lesbian community. Who gives us the right as humans to dictate how and who we should marry, love or cherish we were created as indivuals

thats why we are different shades,sizes. The way the question was worded confused alot of african american, latino and caucasion voters that is the only reason this proposition passsed.

The gay political agenda is dominated by white males. These white males do not promote blacks/latinos in areas where they are heavily represented in employment. Many, not all, hold very racist views (Truamn Capote: There is nothing meaner than a Southern Queen). We need to focus on our agenda not theirs. The gay movement is not about blacks/latinos and never will be.

Furthermore, if gays are allowed to marry as two consenting adults, what is to stop brother/sister or mother/son or three people entering into the contract known as marriage? How about child brides like in Pakistan and Afghanistan?

Unfortunately there is still so much ignorance discimination in this world. I guess people have to jump one hurdle at a time. I’m not gay but I do support the gay and lesbian commiunity because I have friends and some family members that are homosexual. They adopt children and are very good people and regardless of what u may think, they are born this way. No body should be able to tell someone who they can and can’t fall in love with.

I’M OUT KIDS…….

ENJOY YOUR WEEKEND!!!

AND MAY GOD BLESS YOU, EVEN IF YOU DON’T BELIEVE.

PEACE

Again I say, get over it. Rights are limited in scope all the time.

Gays have the same rights as heterosexuals when it comes to marriage. A gay man can marry a gay woman.

That’s what you all fail to see. There is no discrimination in saying that marriage is between a man and a woman.

How does voting to ban gay marriage = ignorance and wanting gay people to be beaten like Mathew Shephard?

Some of you are overly dramatic and extreme. If you think religion enslaves people’s minds, then don’t become religious.

However, you want people to tolerate your choices and decisions, and in the same breath you don’t tolerate theirs.

Black, white, purple or blue…these people have a right to vote whatever way they choose. So they don’t want gay marriage. Ok? That doesn’t mean they aren’t tolerant of gay people. IT means they don’t want gay marriage.

Just create a new partnership, give it a different name and give them all of the same rights as a traditional “marriage”. The word “marriage” is sacred to many people who do not want to re-define it. period. That does not mean they bear hatred or any ill will towards gays.

Stephanie Stevens

I am black, heterosexual, I live In CA and I voted NO on Prop 8 because it is wrong to discriminate. Period. But I wonder how many gay people get riled up and rally against issues that effect people of color? There were several propositions in San Francisco and in California generally that passed/or didnt pass that will have a negative impact on Blacks and Latinos…I wonder how many gay people voted against the interests of people of color? Where is the accountability?

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What you have stated is so true and there is no accountability in the Gay community and not only that the LGBT community didn’t even have a good strategy for reaching out to the minority community to educate them about this issue. That’s the real reason why this Proposition passed. They waited until the last week to reach out to those in the minority communities while the Mormons had spent months going into churches and heavy advertising push. As someone stated above in this thread the LGBT community needs to show real families and not celebrities or sterotypical gays. Those of us know damn well that there are gay people who are in long term loving relationships and they deserve to be married but the LGBT failed in their political campaign to show this fact. In politics you can never assume. We all know what happens when you assume. THe LGBT community has only themselves to blame for this bill being defeated and the HRC knows it too.

Black civil rights and the right for gays to marry are not even comparable. Its actually an insult when gays equate their plight with that of blacks. We were terrorized for hundreds of years and had to battle just to be allowed to be considered citizens of this country–not animals. I have nothing against gays, but I honestly believe when you allow same sex marriages and promote homosexuality as a norm in our society, you may influence a child to be gay that may have otherwise been heterosexual. I believe this is wrong because nature made a man to be with a woman. The human race would become extinct if everyone decided to be with their own sex. Homosexuality is an abnormality, and though we should accept homosexuals–we should not promote homosexuality as a norm to our children; which is what I think allowing same sex marriages would do.

@ Jessica,

Co-sign!

@blackgirl:

COSIGN 100%

@Stephanie Stevens:

Exactly. And they are not coming to our community because they hold such contempt for minorities — gay white males. They want the 50s back, just with gay marriage.

the genetic make up of a man and woman scientifically shows that man was created for woman & vice versa. hence the reason why a man has a penis. a member that protrudes from the body intended to be placed in an entrance. that entrance is called a vagina. intentionally created inside of the womans body. intended to be penetrated by a penis. non-believers dont want to hear about the bible. because they know it speaks against their behavior. so lets look at science. if man was intended to sleep with man, then why was man not created with the proper orfices for this to be done? not to be graphic, however the anus was not created for penetration. instead for the exit of waste. that was all it was created for. gas and defecation. why, if being a lesbian is supposed to be okay, is it neccesary that objects be purchased in the form of a natural penis, to penetrate another womans vagina? if it were intended for man to be with man & woman to be with woman, why not was there just one sex created? think people!! i do not believe that gay/lesbian people should be treated in inhumane ways. yet, their choice is incorrect for so many different reasons. hate it or love it, it is what it is.

Honestly i really don’t like the fact that two men like each other, but that’s there business. but to blame all the blacks for the decision,is little simple minded on the person or person’s making the comment. Blacks have bee faced with a’lot of decision that we don’t necesary agree with. So we grow stronger as a awhole and drive on. We take the support from each other and stand like a wall and take the damage, but we don’t budge; we just put on more bricks on top. I say to the gay community remeber you have your rights, do the research and make your argument count.

Yes, this post is definitely divisive. It always is. The fact is that people have the right to express their religious beliefs, that INCLUDES black people. Nobody has the right to beat, defame or terrorize a group because of their lifestyle. That protection goes not only to gays but also religious folks. Please learn to be tolerent of people’s religious beliefs. Most religions make it clear that homosexuality is a sin. If gay people don’t want to be called names or ridiculed then don’t do the same to those who choose to follows the tenets of their religion. Gay people also need to be open to having an honest debate about the gay marriage issue and not simply calling everyone a bigot if they disagree with their view.

@brothas unite

THANK YOU!!

*edit, ban prop 8!

I continue to be disappointed by people who assert that gay people or latinos should not compare their experiences to the black experience. I don’t think that anyone is trying to discount the continued struggles of the African American community. To me it is all about access to the American dream. Though we have suffered, we are not the only people to experience discrimination. Many latinos, gay people, women, jews, etc. have oppressed. Unequal access is wrong, pure and simple. This is about secular law, not religious law. Gay people do not have to or want to marry in my church, they just want to have access to the same rights and priviledges afforded heterosexuals. It is a shame that I can marry a female in Vegas on a whim and it has more legal standing than a 25 year relationship between two people of the same sex. If you are not for gay marriage, then don’t marry a gay person.

Those who deny freedom to others deserve it not for themselves. ~Abraham Lincoln

Love is love whether it be with man/woman, man/man, woman/woman.

People are going to love who they are going to love. We are talking about a peice of paper here. This is simply a moral issue. This is why there is a separation of church and state in this country. Regardless, if the state government recognizes Prop 8 or not gay/lesbian people are going to be together…

I am in oppostion to same sex marriages. It is wrong and should not be legalized. I do however feel that they should be entitled to the same rights as married couples such as joint tax returns, and share health benefits.

let’s talk about heterosexual sins shall we:

DEUTERONOMY 22:13-21

If it is discovered that a bride is not a virgin, the Bible demands that she be executed by stoning immediately.

DEUTERONOMY 22:22

If a married person has sex with someone else’s husband or wife, the Bible commands that both adulterers be stoned to death.

MARK 10:1-12

Divorce is strictly forbidden in both Testaments, as is remarriage of anyone who has been divorced.

LEVITICUS 18:19

The Bible forbids a married couple from having sexual intercourse during a woman’s period. If they disobey, both shall be executed.

MARK 12:18-27

If a man dies childless, his widow is ordered by biblical law to have intercourse with each of his brothers in turn until she bears her deceased husband a male heir.

DEUTERONOMY 25:11-12

If a man gets into a fight with another man and his wife seeks to rescue her husband by grabbing the enemy’s genitals, her hand shall be cut off and no pity shall be shown her.

now do we really wanna start pointing fingers?

lol

So what I’m hearing is gays need to “serve their time” in the fight? Aren’t we passed that? It’s 2008, if something is wrong, let’s fix it. We don’t need long and drawn out movements anymore.

I’m a Californian and I’m disgusted by the passing of prop 8. Apparently, most Californians believe animals who will be killed anyway have more rights than a homosexual. Ridiculous.

@ TALK ABOUT HYPOCRITES

you shouldn’t misqoute the bible in such a way. It is blasphemous. Murder is forbidden in the christian faith. The bible quotes he who is without sin cast the first stone. It does not state to kill someone for sinning. The other stuff you mentioned is deplorable as well. I won’t even dignify these accusations of filth.

Homosexuality is not a lifestyle choice just as heterosexuality is not. STOP THE IGNORANCE!

The black community needs to wake up and confront their own internal homophobia. What educated person can honestly say that a gay individual is less of a human being because of who they choose to love? Would you seriously love your child less if he/she came home and announced they’re gay?

STOP using the bible as a platform for hate and discrimination.

Some of you people have seriously been brainwashed. Disagreeing with someone’s choices doesn’t = a phobia.

I don’t have to support your desire to be with anyone in particular. That’s MY choice.

For those of you saying it doesn’t matter and it’s no one’s business who a person loves. That is true, it is between those people and the God they serve/believe in. However, when an initiative is placed on the ballot, it becomes every voting person’s business.

I haven’t seen anyone who is for the ban on gay marriage (who posts here), say anything ill about gay people or say anything ignorant.

If you don’t believe in organized religion, that’s your business. But no one placed organized religion on the ballot, so it’s none of your business what other people believe. Nor is it your right to try to strip down and dehumanize people who do not agree with homosexuality’s practice.

People have explained why and how they feel homosexuality is wrong, from science to sin, yet you want to continue to lambast people for their core beliefs. No one gets that gay people have the SAME right as straight people when it comes to marriage. Open your eyes, and quit looking through the veil of the anger gay people feel because they don’t agree with someone else’s choice.

Black people are not ignorant. Black people understand and know that they do not agree with homosexuality. That doesn’t make someone be “on the downlow” that person chooses to be on the downlow out of the rightful shame they feel. (Now you can take that how you want too).

You can lift scriptures from the Bible and twist and turn them to say “what about this”, but that goes to show that you lack an understanding of what you read, and possibly don’t believe it anyway…so you’re arguing on an uneven plain.

No Black, White, or Latino person should feel ashamed for voting to ban gay marriage. Not one, and I’m sure they don’t. That was their individual choice, and though gay people may slay them with their words and deeds, yet will these individuals have to answer to God for their choices. Not for how anyone else feels.

A young lady stated that earlier in her post. Because when you live your life in a way that is pleasing to God, no man on this earth can do you harm.

So I don’t care what you call me, homophobic, ignorant, whatever. When I wake up in the morning, and God is pleased with what I do in my life, the choices I make, and the way I live…that’s all that matters.

I pray for your deliverance from the things that bind you, your mind, body and spirit. Because there is such a thing as a “reprobate mind” where you feel that right is wrong and wrong is right…and fervently believe it. Just as someone who thinks having sex outside of marriage is right as long as it feels good, they are comparable to homosexuality. But deliverance from that mindstate is possible if you want it. Most don’t. So you deal with the consequences.

What’s wrong with living by what the Bible says? Marriage is between a man and a woman. Plain and simple. Instead of marching through the streets, filing lawsuits and trying to make Christains feel bad for voting yes for what they feel is right, perhaps the gay community should sit down, open the Bible and READ. I agree with the comment above: The Bible is true and fulfilling. So, it’s not that the gay community has suffered a setback, it’s more that people are finally standing up for what is moral and right.

What is wrong in following what the Bible says? Marraige is between a man and a woman. Plain and simple. Instead of marching through the streets, filing lawsuits, and trying to make people feel guilty for voting for what is right, they should sit down and pick up a Bible. I agree with the comment above, the Bible is true and fulfilling. It’s not that the gay community suffered a set back, it’s just that people are finally getting back to core beliefs about what’s right and wrong. The passage of Prop 8 proves it.

i dont think the gangs in cali would like gay marriages……

Anthony:

Thanx for breakin’ it down. The gays come for us and not for the whites cuz they think we are weaker and more vulnerable. The militant gay agenda is run by bigoted white males.

Butt Pirates

For all the people on here saying christianity has a foundation of hate for gays needs to look up the definition of hate and actually read a bible and look up christ’s life. hate is a very strong word. REAL christians OPPOSE homosexuality. FAKE christians HATE GAYS.there is a a big difference. real christians look through the eyes of christ. what gays must realize is that you are asking christians to change a spiritual lifestyle that is deeply rooted in them and they have believed their whole life. It is rooted as deeply as gay’s sexual lifestyle. Pretty difficult to ask either of those two to change their thinking/lifestyle right? Another thing: lets assume that homosexuality WAS a sin according to the bible. What sets homosexuality apart from other things in the bible is that it is a completely open lifestyle of sin without repentance or remorse (if it WAS a sin). Repenting and asking for forgiveness for sin is very important according to the bible. If there was a person who was openly lacking remorse for being a lifestyle liar, lifestyle fornicator, lifestyle murderer, they are no different in gods eyes according to the bible.

What gay folks really mean is let us do whatever we want to do. Now, this same principle could apply to murders,pedophiles,stealing,drug use, drunk driving. So basically we need to just let everyone do whatever the hell they want. Don’t draw the line anywhere. That’s called anarchy. Cant a murderer draw the same argument? “I was born killing”, “I cant help it”, “I should have the right to kill”,”you are discriminating against me”.

@black girl

a murderer CAN draw the argument “I was born killing” and it would hold a cup of water with super glue on its hands. Im sorry not trying to be rude i just need a better argument than that.

@blackgirl – See, here is the difference…

Killing is an illegal, abominable and heinous act that causes harm to another person. So does stealing and driving under the influence.

Enjoying a committed relationship between two consenting adults hurts NO ONE. We may not like it, understand it or approve of it but they cause no harm to anyone in society nor is it ILLEGAL.

First of all I live in Oakland California, near to San Francisco, so everyone knows demographically in concentration there are millions of LGBT people out here. I was one of the Christian Black persons who voted against Prop 8. The majority of Black and Latino voters, are people who are over the age of 40 and above, who are mainly Christian seasoned voters, who were directly impacted by the Moron/Ladder Day Saints (LDS) and conservative Christian voters.

Secondly, and moreover, Blacks have struggled and we had to make our own movement, at the cost of Dr. King, JFK, RFK and others to get where we are today, thus, our first President. I honestly feel that since the movement of Gays wanting to marry, the movement has been trying to ride off the back of the Civil Rights Movement, and we have no choice in what ethnicity we are, were as Gays for centuries have had to deal with the fact that it has always been tabu, religiously and culturally that being Homosexual/Gay has been a corner stone of turmoil for humans for centuries.

So, with this being said, why is it now that we get a Black President, they tie these issues to pointing to finger at Blacks/Latinos. We only make up 22% of the vote of this country? The majority of people who voted for this were white, not people of color. I honestly just get so upset with this whole movement, when they need to realize that this is a historical human issue that needs it’s own movement, and should not ride off the backs of greats such as MLK, JFK, RFK and Rosa Parks. I do not see Gays in the same capacity as the Civil Rights Movement, organized, mobilizing all people to help them march in the streets to the state capital, having boycotts, and taking this straight to Washington and other scarfices that Civil Rights Leaders had to endure.

I believe as a Christian God Fearing woman, that what goes on behind closed doors is people business. If they want to have rights as common law couples do, then give them their rights, but fight your own battles and not blame others for the failure of what history has failed to respect for centuries, the right to be open, Gay and treated equally!

I want to take this conversation in a different direction. How do you all feel about Nebraska banning affirmative action? Should the majority in any society be able to decide how access should be determined?

I can’t believe the things I am reading on this freakin board! Do you think a person would choose to live a life where they are alienated, ostracized and violently opposed? I am a heterosexual black woman and I personally have no issues with gays getting married. Gay people are born gay. it has been scientifically proven! That is the problem people are not educated on the issues. Homosexuals are not in control of their sexuality. Goodness people wake up and pay attention. And how is this a Gay rights versus civil rights. Black people are gay too. In case you fail to acknowledge, it is indeed reality.

And what does the marriage of anyone outside your household have to do with you and your children? Do we tell child molesters they can’t get married. Do we tell drug addicts they can’t get married, Do we tell convicted felons they can’t married? No we do not, so if we do not involve ourselves in EVERYONE’S marriage why the hell are we involved in the marriage of two people who just happen to be gay.

This issue within the black community stems deeper than gay rights. We as black people must come to expect more of ourselves. Through education and cultivating we can come to see the differences within the world and make educated judgements. Right now we cling to our religion and stereotypes of people and things we have no exposure to.

Gay does not equal white, gay does not equal evil. And for everyone on here who supported Obama…you must have missed his speech where he specifically addressed the issues within the African American community and it’s treatment of homosexuality! In case you missed it Obama did not support Proposition 8!!

@ just me:

Gays can get married, to the opposite sex ,just like everyone else. Affirmative action: to ensure that minorities have the same access to financial/educational/housing gain as everyone else.

Now let me take this discussion in another direction: Should gays pay more premiums for health care as it medically costs more to be gay?

@about it NO WAY NO HOW. they should pay the same thing we all pay not a penny more.

@about it – Theoretically YES. They ARE a higher health insurance risk. So are smokers and smokers (in some places) pay higher premiums on health and life BUT you can give a medical test and determine who smokes and who doesn’t. I do not know how they would do that in this instance. They would only have a beam on MARRIED gay people bacause they would share a policy and that would hardly be fair. What do you think?

I think I would like more education on gay/lesbian struggle because i would be sad to know that they dont have the same health care coverage as everybody else. Especially with health care already being bad enough. Or anything else for that matter. They should have 100% equal options/rights with their civil union. I would fight to ensure that. And Im saying that as a woman brought up to follow christ. I just dont agree with the comparison to black struggle.

FIRST OF ALL I LIVE IN NY, HOWEVER… WHERE WAS THIS QUESTION AT ON THE VOTING BALLOT WHEN PEOPLE IN CALI WENT TO VOTE FOR PRESIDENT??? IF IT WAS ALONG THE LINE WHERE YOU VOTE STRAIGHT DEMOCRATIC WHY WAS IT PLACED THERE? SECOND, MOST BLACKS AND LATINOS WHEN THEY VOTE ONLY LOOK AT THE ‘PERSONS{S} THEY ARE VOTING FOR WHEN THEY HIT THE VOTING BOOTH!!!! MOST LIKELY THIS QUESTION WAS PLACED IN THE WRONG POSITION AS STATED ABOVE AND BEING EXCITED ABOUT VOTING FOR OBAMA MINORITIES MAY HAVE VOTED AGAINST PROPPOSITION 8 WITHOUT REALIZING IT…. IF THIS IS THE CASE, WHY ARE THE MINORITIES BEING BLAMED FOR THIS BILL BEING DEFEATED BECAUSE OBAMA WON THE ELECTION???? WE COULD CARE LESS ABOUT ANYONE’S SEXUAL PREFERENCES ESPECIALLY ON AN HISTORIC DAY EVERYONE WAS LOOKING FORWARD TOO!!!! GAY PEOPLE SHOULD STOP BELIEVING EVERYTHING THAT THE MEDIA THROWS AT THEM, CAUSE NOW THEY CAN SEE HOW BLACK STEREOTYPES HAVE BEEN SPREAD, AND WHITE FOLKS BRAINWASHED INTO BELIEVING MOST OF THEM, NOT ALL WHITES JUST SOME…..WHITE FOLKS ARE USUALLY THE ONE’S WHO PROTEST AND DENOUNCE GAY UNIONS!!!!!

@ Nabler

Fair or not, and I am no fan of insurance companies, insurance companies have the right to assess risk.

I put a little more thought into that. Their health insurance should have equal coverage at an equal cost. Gay females have the LEAST amount of AIDS/HIV than ANY group – including heterosexuals. So although it is natural to assume they have more health problems, if we had some stats, it would probably not prove out to be true.

I’M A CALIFORNIA RESIDENT AND I’D LIKE TO BREAK THIS DOWN SO THESE DIVISIVE IDIOTS CAN POINT THIER FINGERS ELSEWHERE! THERE ARE OVER 36 MILLION RESIDENTS IN CALIFORNIA,59% WHITE, AND A MEAGER 6.3% BLACK. THERE ARE ROUGHLY 21.5 MILLION WHITES COMPARED TO THE 2.3 MILLION BLACKS. THEY OUT NUMBER US HERE 10 TO 1! WHICH MEANS THAT THE SO CALLED WHOPPING 70% THAT THEY’RE SPEAKING OF RESULTED IN A NET BLACK VOTE FOR PROP 8 IS 1.5 MILLION. WHITES ON THE OTHER HAND VOTED AROUND 48% FOR PROP 8 WHICH RESULTED IN A NET WHITE VOTE OF 10.75 MILLION!!! SO IF THOSE FINGER POINTING IDIOTS CAN COUNT, WHITES VOTED AGAINST THE RIGHT FOR GAY MARRIAGE AT ALMOST A RATE OF 8 TO 1 !!!!! DON’T PLACE THIS BURDEN ON BLACKS, READ A BOOK, GET FAMILIAR WITH A CALCULATOR AND SEE THAT WE HAD VERY LITTLE TO DO WITH THIS. STOP MANIPULATING STATISTICS TO PLACE BLAME ON A PARTICULAR DEMOGRAPHIC FOR THIER VIEWS ON A MORAL ISSUE! NOT TO MENTION, I’M SICK AND TIRED OF BEING JUDGED FOR MY MORAL COMPASS! THERE IS NO CORRELATION BETWEEN HOMOSEXUALITY AND THE BLACK CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT! HOMOSEXUALITY IS A LIFESTYLE ISSUE, NOT A CIVIL RIGHT’S ISSUE, PERIOD!!! HATING SOMEONE BECAUSE OF THE COLOR OF THEIR SKIN IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAT NOT FEELING COMFORTABLE WITH A NEW DEFINITION OF “MARRIAGE”!!!

WE VOTED ON PROP 8 FOR A REASON, TO VOICE OUR OPINION! I’M SICK AND TIRED OF PEOPLE TRYING TO LABEL FOLKS HOMOPHOBIC BECAUSE THEY DON’T AGREE WITH HOMOSEXUALITY! I DON’T HATE GUYS, NOR AM I “AFRAID” OF THEM, NEGATING THE WORD PHOBIA! MY DENTIST IS GAY AND I AM A LOYAL PATRON BECAUSE HE’S AN INCREDIBLE DENTIST AND PERSON. I JUST DON’T AGREE WITH HIS LIFESTYLE, AND THAT’S MY OPINION! I BELIEVE THAT MARRIAGE SHOULD BE RESERVED FOR THOSE WHO HAVE THE ABILITY TO PROCREATE TRADITIONALY. THAT’S IT, I BELIEVE IN ALL HUMAN RIGHTS! I GUESS BECAUSE I’M AGAINST THE WAR IN IRAQ I’M “ANTI AMERICAN”!!! OF COURSE NOT!!! WE CALIFORNIANS VOTED ON PROP 8, PERIOD! IT DOESN’T MAKE ANYONE HOMOPHOBIC, I MISSED THE PART WHERE EVERYONE IN THIS COUNTRY IS SUPPOSED TO THINK THE SAME. THAT’S WHY WE VOTED, IF THEY DON’T LIKE THE RESULTS GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND TRY TO SWING PEOPLE YOUR WAY. DON’T LABEL PEOPLE BECAUSE OF A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION, OR BECAUSE THEY WON’T DO OR BELIEVE WHAT YOU WANT THEM TO!!! GOD BLESS!!!

@about it – Of course they do. But how would they assess it. There is no medical test that will PROVE one’s “gayness”. So if insurance companies start assessing a gay surcharge – who would get it?

I assume the risk we are talking about is HIV – because I cannot think of a single other ailment that you are at a higher risk of contracting just by virtue of being homosexual. And that risk is from the gay male population.

So I would imagine that since heterosexuals are contracting the disease at LEAST as widely as the homosexual population these days, they would meet with a hell of a huge resistance on that.

HELLO PEOPLE,I’M A CALIFORNIA RESIDENT AND I’D LIKE TO BREAK THIS DOWN SO THESE DIVISIVE IDIOTS CAN POINT THIER FINGERS ELSEWHERE! THERE ARE OVER 36 MILLION RESIDENTS IN CALIFORNIA,59% WHITE, AND A MEAGER 6.3% BLACK. THERE ARE ROUGHLY 21.5 MILLION WHITES COMPARED TO THE 2.3 MILLION BLACKS. THEY OUT NUMBER US HERE 10 TO 1! WHICH MEANS THAT THE SO CALLED WHOPPING 70% THAT THEY’RE SPEAKING OF RESULTED IN A NET BLACK VOTE FOR PROP 8 IS 1.5 MILLION. WHITES ON THE OTHER HAND VOTED AROUND 48% FOR PROP 8 WHICH RESULTED IN A NET WHITE VOTE OF 10.75 MILLION!!! SO IF THOSE FINGER POINTING IDIOTS CAN COUNT, WHITES VOTED AGAINST THE RIGHT FOR GAY MARRIAGE AT ALMOST A RATE OF 8 TO 1 !!!!! DON’T PLACE THIS BURDEN ON BLACKS, READ A BOOK, GET FAMILIAR WITH A CALCULATOR AND SEE THAT WE HAD VERY LITTLE TO DO WITH THIS. STOP MANIPULATING STATISTICS TO PLACE BLAME ON A PARTICULAR DEMOGRAPHIC FOR THIER VIEWS ON A MORAL ISSUE! NOT TO MENTION, I’M SICK AND TIRED OF BEING JUDGED FOR MY MORAL COMPASS! THERE IS NO CORRELATION BETWEEN HOMOSEXUALITY AND THE BLACK CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT! HOMOSEXUALITY IS A LIFESTYLE ISSUE, NOT A CIVIL RIGHT’S ISSUE, PERIOD!!! HATING SOMEONE BECAUSE OF THE COLOR OF THEIR SKIN IS TOTALLY DIFFERENT THAT NOT FEELING COMFORTABLE WITH A NEW DEFINITION OF “MARRIAGE”!!!

WE VOTED ON PROP 8 FOR A REASON, TO VOICE OUR OPINION! I’M SICK AND TIRED OF PEOPLE TRYING TO LABEL FOLKS HOMOPHOBIC BECAUSE THEY DON’T AGREE WITH HOMOSEXUALITY! I DON’T HATE GUYS, NOR AM I “AFRAID” OF THEM, NEGATING THE WORD PHOBIA! MY DENTIST IS GAY AND I AM A LOYAL PATRON BECAUSE HE’S AN INCREDIBLE DENTIST AND PERSON. I JUST DON’T AGREE WITH HIS LIFESTYLE, AND THAT’S MY OPINION! I BELIEVE THAT MARRIAGE SHOULD BE RESERVED FOR THOSE WHO HAVE THE ABILITY TO PROCREATE TRADITIONALY. THAT’S IT, I BELIEVE IN ALL HUMAN RIGHTS! I GUESS BECAUSE I’M AGAINST THE WAR IN IRAQ I’M “ANTI AMERICAN”!!! OF COURSE NOT!!! WE CALIFORNIANS VOTED ON PROP 8, PERIOD! IT DOESN’T MAKE ANYONE HOMOPHOBIC, I MISSED THE PART WHERE EVERYONE IN THIS COUNTRY IS SUPPOSED TO THINK THE SAME. THAT’S WHY WE VOTED, IF THEY DON’T LIKE THE RESULTS GO BACK TO THE DRAWING BOARD AND TRY TO SWING PEOPLE YOUR WAY. DON’T LABEL PEOPLE BECAUSE OF A DIFFERENCE OF OPINION, OR BECAUSE THEY WON’T DO OR BELIEVE WHAT YOU WANT THEM TO!!! GOD BLESS!!!

@Nabler:

I am the first to claim that the health insurance companies are killing us. But my corrollary point is this: If gays are given an exception to marry the same sex because they already have the right to marry the opposite sex like everyone else, then should this not apply to an area, i.e., health coverage? Yes, it would be difficult to assess if someone is gay or not without gay marriage, but insurance companies have detectives and certain diseases are overrepresented in gay men.

Also gay women are over represented in being afflicted with reproductive cancer. Furthermore, gay women are more likely to engage in risky sex with a male than straight women.

@about it – I learned something new today about the cancer thing. Lesbian women are at a greater risk of certain cancers if they have not given birth by the age of 30.

You are cracking me up with the last statement though. Gay women are LEAST likely in the world to engage in risky sex with a male. They just don’t dig men that way. Least that’s what I heard…lol.

All in all – good points. Thanks.

First of all OMG!!! Wait while I LMAO!!!! You got to be kidding me. I have nothing against gays and lesbians but dont try to compare that to slavery and opression. Are you out your MFM!!!! Everyone does not want to go to hell for your sins we got our own!!!!!!!

Sorry oppression!!!

they should protest against us.

we should definitely be more understanding.

C’mon one needs to only ask a few questions……

Are these PEOPLE molesting, lynching, or denying/infringing on anyone’s civil rights by marrying one another?

NO, they should be allowed to marry each other.

The way I see it, they should be guaranteed these rights as they fall under the bill of right that says we are allowed the pursuit of happiness!!!!!!!

Athiests marry in a civil/court ceremony – not a church ceremony. They would CRINGE at the “married in the eyes of God” statement. Nobody opposes their union or says it is any less valid. I guess it gives more of an appearance of “propriety”.

In 1960, 5% of all births were to unmarried mothers. In 2006, it was 40%. That is a LOT of babies!! Where were the bibles then? In the diaper bags??

We live in a very conveniently moral society.

People should be able to marry who ever they want. People do not choose to be gay, they are born like that.

Gays have been discrimiatned against, beaten, spit on, just like blacks. We shouldn’t want to see other people go through this.

I hope this is overturned and people are allowed to marry who ever they love. Straight people can’t make marriages work with the divorce rate as high as it is, so who are we to judge what marrige should be like for a couple.

umm…if you was born gay then why is God against homosexuality?!? he made you a certain way, then said it’s wrong? Don’t try to compare your sexual preference to my beautiful tribe/race civil rights struggle. That is down low…for real. Go to another town and stop being gay, you can have a fresh start.I’m gonna be black forever. Why go before God with that? If you want to be together then be together. But don’t try to form a union with God, cause he not with man being with man and woman being with woman.

Homosexuals are discriminated against because their lifestyle is a sin. Black people are discriminated against simply because of the color of our skin. Please don’t EVER compare the African-American plight with that of the gay community! It is two very different issues and furthermore, it’s not a sin to be black it’s a blessing.

1. The Biblical argument against homosexuality is a futile one because we do not live in a theocracy. If we lived in a nation in that was based one Christian princicples then all ten commandments would have been made law. That is not the case and anyone who has ever taken an U.S. history course knows that this nation was founded on religious pluralism and not Christian dogma. And any history book will tell that the majority of the founding fathers were not even mainstream Christians themselves and opposed calling this nation a Christian country.

2. If we are going to argue what the Bible says about gays, then it should be noted that any theology class will tell you that the interpretations concerning the sinfulness of homosexuality are very much faulty and are at best a reflection of the time period the Bible was written in. Any theology book will tell you Sodom and Gomorrah was not about gays but about the peoples lack of hospitality( once again this knowledge requires reading a damn book, which clearly some people on this board don’t do) Hell if you read the Bible, you can come to that conclusion yourself.

3. Baynard Rustin, the man who taught MLK all he knew about peaceful resistance was a gay man. That’s right. MLK learned everything from a gay man and considered him a close confidant. Coretta Scott King spoke in favor of gay marriage herself and mentioned Baynard and urged black people against being bigots.

Black people should remember that an injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere and our rights could be taken away just as easliy. And some of ya’ll need to read a damn book before you make ignorant ass comments.

READ A BOOK, READ A BOOK….

@g-Lish, YOU SPEAK OF THE BIBLE, SO WHY NOT SPEAK ABOUT THE PART WHERE GOD SAYS THAT BEING GAY IS A SIN….PERIOD! I DONT HATE ANYONE, BUT IM TIRED OF GAYS TRYING TO EQAUTE BEING GAY TO BEING BLACK. THERE IS NO COMPARISON AT ALL SO YOU CAN TRY TO MAKE IT SEEM THAT IS THE CASE IT’S NOT. EVEN IF IT’S NOT BY CHOICE GOD( THE BIBLE) SAYS IT’S WRONG(SIN) THERE IS NO CHANGING THAT, WE ARE SUPPOSE TO LOVE THE PERSON BUT HATE THE SIN,I THINK THAT (AND THIS IS MY OPINION) THE MAJORITY OF GAY PEOPLE THINK THAT IF YOU DONT AGREE WITH THEM THAT YOU HATE GAY PEOPLE. I DONT HATE ANYONE, I DONT HAVE TIME TO WAIST THE ENERGY, I JUST KNOW THAT THE BIBLE SAYS THAT IT’S A SIN AND THOSE ARE GODS WORDS! EVERYONE SINS EVERYDAY AND THAT’S THE BEAUTY OF GODS LOVE HE FORGIVES, SO INSTEAD OF WORRYING ABOUT WHAT PEOPLE THINK AND IT IS A PERSONS RIGHT TO HAVE AN OPINION(JUST LIKE GAY PEOPLE HAVE THEIRS) TO SAY THAT THEY DONT AGREE WITH IT. AS YOU CAN SEE THE PEOPLE HAVE VOTED NO TO PROP 8.

THIS COUNTRY WAS FOUNDED ON THE BASIS OF CHRISTIANITY,YOU SAID MLK WAS TAUGHT BY GAYNARD RUSTIN HOWEVER THE TEACHING OF MLK WAS BASED ON MAHATMA GANDHI. SODOM AND GOMMORAH WAS ABOUT THE SIN OF THAT CITY,WHICH WAS ABOUT MEN ON MEN. SO MUCH SO THAT AN ANGEL APPEARED AND THE GAYS WANTED TO GET HIM. SODOM AND GOMMORRAH IS A LESSON IN SOCIETY OUT OF CONTROL. @ EDUCATED INSTEAD OF PREACHING WHY DONT YOU EDUCATE YOURSELF!

It’s funny how some people are talking like it’s black/latino people against gays (like all gay people are white). I think some people fail to realize that there is a large number of the black/latino community that is gay.

I say the gays can have civil unions.

I say the gays can have domestic patnerships.

I say the gays can have public professions of thier love.

I say the gays can have all the rights and privledges that non-gay couples should have.

I say the gays can just call thier coupling something else.

I say marriage is between a man and a woman.

I say since gay people & non-gay people are called different names then thier pairings should be called different names too.

I am Black but I am not protesting to be called white. I am a male and not protesting to be female. I am an American and not protesting to be Russian. You are what you are.

When I get married to a woman I am not going to ask the court to call it a Lifetime Hook-Up!!! lol!

We got this marriage thing, get your own label and be proud of it.

IF YOU ARE GAY THAT IS YOUR CHOICE,I WAS BORN A BLACK MAN AND LOVE WHAT GOD HAS MADE ME. THE GOOD LORD HAD A REASON MAKING ME BLACK ,AND I DONT DISAGREE. I FIND IT STRANGE THAT A BLACK PERSON ,DOES NOT HAVE TO ANNOUNCE THAT HE IS BLACK,BUT A GAY PERSON HAS TO PUT UP POSTERS TO LET YOU KNOW WHAT THEY ARE.THIS IS NOT ABOUT RACE RATHER SEXUAL PREFERENCE. NO ONE IS BORN GAY ,THIS IS A PREFERENCE MOST GAYS MAKE IT ALMOST SEEM AS A HANDICAP.

@ Will the thrill

Your asinine circular reasoning only proves my point on why people should read a book before they make comments. You’re correct, MLK teachings were based on Gandhi, but he learned from Baynard Rustin who was at the time a leading pacifist and Gandhian expert. But I wouldn’t expect an idiot like yourself to know that. And since you referenced Sodom and Gomorrah maybe you should educate yourself about historical Christian and Jewish theology and you would realize that the original interpretations of the Sodom and Gomorrah stories were about hospitality. But again, that requires reading a book. You should try it.

But I was always told never to argue with fools because onlookers would not be able to tell the difference between myself and the fool. So I’ll refrain.

Just dropping knowledge. You can choose to remain an ignorant bigot, or enlighten yourself. The truth will set you free. Your choice.

Peace and blessings

Where were all these “GAY” white people when your greatgrandparents were being dragged into the country in chains, lynched for looking at a white person, defined in the constitution as property or animals, burned in church, denied jobs, denied seat in the bus, denied a seat a lunch counter, relegated to steppin fetchit & aunt jemmimah roles in the theatre. Where were your “white Gay” brethern then? I will tell you. Now that they have decided to “come out” they are determined to use Black Americans to support their cause, they are equating their right to marry to all the above we Black Americans were forced to live through. I dare one of you knuckleheads on this board to tell me that a man having sex with a man or boy is the same as being a Black person in American!!!!

What seems to have failed to be defined by supporters of PROP 8 is why gays want to have their unions recognized as a marriage ANYWAY??

If a homosexual has been in a long-term relationship,is living with their significant other, or has even adopted children what does a piece of paper mean?

But in all honestly if people are going to make the Biblical argument there should be a plethora of other conditions assigned to what a marriage should constitute.

I mean I do believe God called for couples to abstain from sex until they are married and that spouses shouldn’t cheat on each other. But that doesn’t seem to be prevailing all that much in “traditional marriages” either.

So I say we’re all wrong and have no right to dictate to anyone the merits of anyone’s sexual behavior.

Dont Like Me wrote, “Gays have been discrimiatned against, beaten, spit on, just like blacks. We shouldn’t want to see other people go through this.”

WTF? is that what we were for hundreds of years, spit upon and beaten? We should be so lucky. Whether you are white or black YOU do not know American History at all. You need to pick up a book. Better yet, come on down south and have a chat with one of these nice boys with Stars & Bars flag plastered all over their trucks.

Gays havent even gone through a 3rd of what the black race has so you can’t compare, they should be allowed to get married but blaming blacks is discrimination. I would suggest they do their next protest in South Central or Compton.

@about it

I would surmise that being black costs the health care industry more than being gay. It is regularly reported that African Americans have a higher rate of obesity and heart disease than any other population. Should African Americans pay more than whites and Asians since that information is reported as statistically acurate? Particularly since many of our health issues are based on diet.

I DO NOT LIVE IN CALIFORNIA, BUT IF GIVEN THE OPPORTUNITY I WOULD VOTE TO BAN GAY MARRIAGE.

I BELIEVE DOMESTIC PARTNERSHIPS ARE AN EXCELLENT COMPROMISE. I BELIEVE GAYS SHOULD GET THE SAME RIGHTS AS A MARRIED COUPLE UNDER A DOMESTIC PARTNERSHIP. WHAT KILLS ME IS GAYS WANTING THEIR UNION TO BE CALLED A MARRIAGE. FOR ME, IT’S A MORAL AND VALUES QUESTION.

IT REALLY BOTHERS ME THAT GAYS WANT TO MAKE THE MARRIAGE ISSUE A CIVIL RIGHTS ISSUE WHEN IT’S NOT. MARRIAGE IS A PREVILIGE AND LUXURY,IT’S NOT A RIGHT.

IT ALSOO BOTHERS ME THAT GAYS WANT TO SHOVE THEIR LIFESTYLE DOWN YOUR THROAT AND BRAINWASH PEOPLE INTO THINKING IT’S NORMAL, WHEN IT’S NOT.

TRUST ME. I DO NOT HAVE HATE IN MY HEART. I BELIVE IN EQUALITY. BUT DON’T BE TRYING TO BULLY ME OUT OF MY CONVICTIONS, VALUES AND MORALS.

LASTLY, GAY MARRIAGE IS NOT A PRIVATE ISSUE. SO FOLKS SAYING TO STAY OUT OF HOW OTHER PEOPLE WANT TO LIVE, PLEASE STOP. GO BE GAY AND SLEEP WITH WHOM EVER YOU WANT, BUT WHEN YOU WANT TO MARRY THEN IT’S A SOCIETAL ISSUE.

AND YES, I WILL USE THE BBIBLE TO MAKE MY ARGUMENT. THE BIBLE IS MY GUIDEBOOK AND GIVES ME MY INSTRUCTIONS. YOU THINK I’M GOING TRUST ANOTHER HUMAN OVER THE BIBLE? HA

Dear LALA…it doesnt matter what ethnic group a homosexual is. The Gay Community is pushing the comparison that discrimmination against Blacks is the same as discrimmination against Gays.

And it is a disgusting comparison. Black Americans should not let themselves be bullied into feeling guilty for not supporting any cause that they do not believe in. And we should encourage our young people NOT to buy into the slippery language that equates us suddenly with homosexuals. How disgusting! If any group have a grievance they should fight for it themselves and not these lame tactics of posting Dr.Kings picture or publishing statements like “you people were discrimminated against too, so shame on you for not supporting us!”

Did African Americans EVER accuse anyone of not supporting our civil rights? NO! we struggled and fought and pressed for change ourselves. And we’ve welcomed all that wanted to help.

~~to “ole ratchet…”,,,,i guess it’s safe to say that you were raised well and you are really doing your family proud with your sharp, incisive commentary???

~~for those that are capable of understanding this as a civil rights issue, on that basis alone, why should it not be considered in the same way as the exclusion of women; people of color; people with disabilities; people of different faiths, etc….??

~~if you believe homosexuality to be a sin, how is that God can still LOVE!!! the person who is gay, but you, a mere imperfect mortal can’t “allow” a fellow tax paying US citizen and tax paying CA risident the same rights you’re afford, while still not agreeing with or liking what they do(i guess you know better than God!?!?!)

RE: Ole RatCheT a$s H0E!! Y0U cAN fInD mE in ThE LOU!!!

So WHY did you vote for a man for President that supports Gay Marriage and Abortions? Maybe cause of the color of his skin and NOT what he stands for? Gays have it right on this one. While I dont condone their ways or believe marriage should be allowed with same sex couples they are right for calling us out.Those who voted on skin color only should be ashamed of themselves . Its being a biggot

People do chose to be Gay, and we’ve had a few Gay Presidents, already, Sexual preference doesn’t require Civil rights.

Black people please stop insulting one another. Why can’t you offer your opinion without insulting our race. I believe we hate ourselves the most out of any other race. I voted yes on amendment 8. I’m not ignorant and I’m not stupid. If you voted no on amendment 8 it does not mean that you’re ignorant or stupid either. Gay people you have proven that you have a lot of power. Straight people of all races are fighting back for tradition and religion beliefs. You fight your battle and I will fight mine.

RU$$

People do chose to be Gay, and we’ve had a few Gay Presidents, already, Sexual preference doesn’t require Civil rights.

So i guess you chose to be straight. Must difficult humping on a woman while envisioning yourself being humped on by a man?

Idiot, no one chooses to be gay or straight, just like no one chooses to be male or female or black or white. It’s Mother Nature’s call.

First, the person who brought race into the issue does not speak for the whole gay community. However, there is a sad irony when repressed people use the power they have to oppress others. But instead of doing the blame game, lets look at why? I imagine a lot of ignorant beliefs about gays comes from the church and from colonization.

In terms of gay people being lynched, obviously the “numbers” are not going to the same, but why are we counting? Isn’t one death of a black or a gay too much?

I will also agree that gay people can keep it on the downlow but black people can’t…well I sort of agree. There are several stories, mostly before the 1960′s, where black people who were of mixed blood living as white people and rejecting their black roots. Are you suggesting that they have a choice and they made the right choice by pretending they were white? I hope not. People, who aren’t hurting anyone, shouldn’t have to hide who they are.

Homosexuality has been around as long as heterosexuality and if half of you could read a book it wouldn’t be that hard to find the evidence of that.

Before you criticize what gay marriage will do to society or your 6 yr old son why not look to Canada, South Africa, the Netherlands and other countries that have allowed Same-sex Marriage and you will see that they have not fallen to the depths of hell, society is not ruined, children are not damaged they in fact run the same they did before the right was granted; except now couples can visit each other in the hospital, have security in their relationships, have rights for their children and not be considered second class citizens.

Claroliza,

I imagine as an educated bible reader, who guides their life around the bible I imagine you would support bills that guide you on how to beat you slaves and your wife, or polygamy. And I imagine you are putting your prestigious Political Science degree to work and creating legislature to ban the consumption of Shrimp? Being you are a good Christian man.

Also, since marriage is a privilege (or in biblical times was an exchange of property) and so is owning a car then you would not be opposed to all Christians (because that’s actually a choice) being banned from owning vehicles with four wheels? But don’t worry you guys can still ride motorcycles…

As a scholar, I am disappointed in your level of critical analysis.

Only black folks feel the need to brag about how “educated” they are. If you truly are educated, it shows. No need to flex your ivy.

I always CRINGE when I see the phrase, “I’m an educated black man/woman” as if it sets you apart from the remainder of the race. It’s embarrassing. If you ever see the “educated white man/woman” phrase used on ANY board you frequent, please be sure to post a link.

There’s really nothing to defend from my posts. I am proud of and stand by my statements, convictions and arguments. Nobody is going to bully or intimidate me into supporting something I am against. Again, it’s sad some of you have to turn to insults and foul language to try to make a cogent argument. Again, go get that GED and try to go to community college. and stop being so angry. it’s hard to take your serious with all that pent up anger.

and to the poster talking about me bringing up my education. I did it to make the point that I know the difference between separation of church and state. I’m sure the poster who brought this up thought he was talking to one of the know-nothings he interacts with.

and yes, other races/ethnicities bring up their educational attainments. Go to the Washington Post, New York Times or Wall Street Journal message boards. You can find the links yourself.

I rather brag about my education than owning a new Gucci bag, new Mercedes or spending more money on shoes than on my mortgage. I guess to many those are things worth bragging about.

There sure are a lot of White folks on this site all of the sudden. What right do you have to scold Blacks for their beliefs or votes? With the rampant White racism within the Gay community, you all have a lot of nerve. Yea, I said it! Now, Black people are supposed to have your backs? You’re only here because you’re looking for somebody to blame for Prop. 8. If you woke up Black tomorrow, you’d slit your throats! If you woke up a Black woman, you’d slit your mama’s throat too! Ask Black Gays and Lesbians about the racism in that community. It’s very real. But, Blacks are hypocrites based upon the social ills of our communities? Please. Stop acting all hurt and betrayed. We owe you nothing. Fight your own fight, fight a good fight, just don’t diminish the sacrifices of our ancestors to do it! Second, there are literally millions of Gay men with biological children that they created the old fashioned way with their wives or girlfriends. In some cases, supposedly 100% lifelong Gay males have fathered multiple children. Anyone who has taken a Biology class knows that men must be aroused in order to have an erection,have sex with a female, and make a child. (Of course, theoretically the pre-intercourse ejaculate does contain semen. A child can be produced that way. But, how many straight women are going to put with…I’m not going to even go there). Anyway, what was that about being born Gay and not being able to help it? Somebody’s lying or in serious denial! Last, 6 million Jews, and millions of others including Gays and Blacks were killed by the Nazi regime during WW2. The Nazi’s believed in Eugenics, so everyone went into the ovens who wasn’t Aryan and defect free – not just Jews. Hitler was most likely part Jewish, so being the self-hating little coward that he was – he had a special hatred for them – thus more Jews died. In any case, that’s a lot of people, but actually a drop in the bucket compared to the number of Blacks killed during the slave trade through the ongoing Black Holocaust. In fact, more Blacks than that lost their lives on the slave ships coming from Africa! World War II has been over for more than four decades now. Unlike Blacks, the Jews have done quite well for themselves, both here and in Europe. And, they received reparations from their Government which will never happen here. So, no to the poster who said Jews had it worse than we do, even the Jews did not and do not have it worse than Black Americans!

Are you kidding me? Being gay is nothing like being black. Nobody told none of ya’ll ol’ d*ck in the booty dudes to try and live the life like men and women do. And spare me the one random verse you read in the Bible that you claim “justifies” it. It doesnt… read the rest of and read it clearly, you’ll find your answer.

Before I open my mouth people know im black but wouldnt no one know u were gay if u werent walkin around switchin or talkin in your falsetto. Therefore… dont jump on our bandwagon.

I dont live in Cali but I agree with the ban. It never shoudlve passed the first time.

@ educated

thank you. we need more educated black people like you in the world.

@progressive black

Gays can’t be compared to blacks because they want rights to engage in certain activities that noone is allowed to engage in. Blacks on the other hand fought for rights to engage in activities that others were allowed but they were excluded from. There is no right to marry a member of the same sex just as there is no right to marry your sibling, your dog, a space alien, a child, etc. Every adult human in this country is either a male or female and they have a right to participate in the marriage process as defined as one man and one woman.

@Progressive black

First off, black people have a right to be religious/christian. You, on the other hand, have no right to tell anybody what faith they can or cannot practice. Secondly, nobody is discriminating against gay people They are trying to create a right that nobody currently has. You want to create a right that doesn’t exist. Frankly, it is analogous to a 14 year old trying to change the age of consent laws. You are the one who is ignorant and close-minded. I do not usually lower myself to name-calling but some of you advocates of gay marriage are downright disrespectful of the people who disagree with your views. You know you can’t win on the merits of the argument so you resort to name-calling and throwing out the label “bigot.” And yes, gay marriage does affect me just as much as age of consent laws affect you. Every American has a right to give their opinion on issues that affect the direction of our society whether it be morally, economically, or whatever. Why the hell do people oppose the Irag war? Because they have a MORAL objection to engaging in what they believe is an unjustified war. Just because I am not, nor is any member of my family, in Iraq; that doesn’t mean that I cannot express my moral concern pertaining to this war and should “butt out.” Get a clue and talk only when you are ready to have an honest debate.

Here is what gets me too about people who use religion as an excuse not to allow same-sex marriage – none of y’all were protesting to stop the divorce act. Even now, how many of you are fighting your government to repel the divorce act? Because it is a sin to divorce. Imagine if the government was to take away the ‘privilege’ to divorce starting tomorrow, how many of y’all would be okay with that? Right.

Whoever started this blame game BS should be apologizing to the black community for attempting to put a black (no pun intended lol) cloud on such a joyful and historic day for us and america. But instead were expected to feel guilty and apologetic???!!! WTF??? Blacks never blamed and pointed fingers at ANYONE to get just and fair treatment in this country. Blacks greatest advancements for civil rights came through humility,dignity,class, and respect for all. Since others who follow our lead want to compare their struggle to ours so much why dont they FIRST take notes in the way we carry ourselves. You dont gain respect by disrespecting and playing blame game. Have some class and dignity. Very selfish and detestable.Shame on you for pointing fingers this is a very special time!!!

I heard that the votes was switched..that if you voted yes…it was really like voting no..and if you voted no it was really like voting yes…this is something that they did not let the american people be aware of…My daddy informed me of this because I believe he was against same sex marriages and he told me to put down yes…then he told me how the votes was switched…thats a shame…I did the opposite…but Im with same sex marriages….we suppose to have Full Faith And Credit in the constitution…so I dont know what the problem is…I dont feel it should make a difference if they are the same sex and marriage…hell its only giving people rights to their love ones legally…its not going to stop them from being together if we dont approved it…America needs to get real..

To each his own but I’m tired of the gay community equating their plight to the plight of African-Americans. Thought some may be “born gay” most of them make a choice to live the lifestyle they live.

I forgot the name of the person but you were right on when you said the bible states to death do us part. If you read the new testament and what Jesus says about divorce, a lot of people have wrongful divorces meaning they are not divorce in Gods eyes only on paper. Also fornication is so acceptable today. What if we voted on punishing people when they had pre marrital sex or vote to make people stay married. Better yet lets vote to tatoo an A on the chest of people who commit adultry. If you want to talk religion lets not stop with homosexuality.

GAYS COMPARED TO BLACKS?!

what about gay blacks?! where do we fit in the discussion? We exist…support us.

support your family members, your church members, neighbors, etc.

dark cable

To each his own but I’m tired of the gay community equating their plight to the plight of African-Americans. Thought some may be “born gay” most of them make a choice to live the lifestyle they live.

I find that laughable, considering that most of you people’s problems are self-inflicted: OUT OF WEDLOCK BIRTHS, GANGBANGING, ACCEPTED POVERTY WITHOUT ANY EFFORT TO BETTER YOURSELVES, ETC. Shall i go on? You negros are pathetic.

All you people talking about how morally conservative and spiritual black people are need to take a look at our community and reevaluate their statements. Is the fact that the majority of black children are born to unwed, young parents representative of the moral guidelines of the black community? How about the rap culture that has taken over the black mindset? How moral are those lyrics and videos that you sing along to and let your children watch?

I’m glad you have spiritual beliefs and read the Bible but you have NO RIGHT to push your religious agenda on other people in the social and political realm. There is a separation of church and state for a reason and the fact that that VERY IMPORTANT aspect of our political system is being completely ignored severely disappoints me, even in the midst of Obama’s historic victory. Whether or not gay people choose to be the way they are is not the issue (even though it’s clear to any logical, non brainwashed, thinking individual that one does not simply choose sexual preference), rather the fact that what they do is their own business and the masses of dogmatic and very often hypocritical ‘spiritual’ people should have no say in who marries whom.

As a young, black, educated, and straight woman I am absolutely disgusted with the things people have been saying on this site and I hope black people can get their stuff together and stop being so judgmental and extremely hypocritical and learn to support people that need support, regardless of their (ridiculous) ‘spiritual’ beliefs. I’m morally opposed to what I see is dangerous brainwashing and control that occurs as a result of Christianity in America but I don’t tell people what they should believe and I would never vote to have anybody’s rights to practice their religion revoked, even if I do think it is harmful to the general community. Gay marriage does not hurt anybody anywhere and the fact that people are so threatened by it and feel the need to call others ‘damned’ and talk about ‘sinful lifestyles’ is ridiculous. Sorry for the long rant but some of the people on here are so close-minded and ignorant I had to say something.

I like how everyone wants their way now.

How long did black people wait to make ANY kind of headway?!

Get the f*ck out of here!! I believe in equal rights but I do not believe in that!!!

@Wendy I would like to say, I have never met a black person that use to be white but I have met gay people who used to be straight and I have met straight people who used to be gay. So I dont care what you say being gay is a choice. It is not that we are trying to stop you from getting married but we know that being reconigize by the state will not be enough. The next step will be that if you deciede to walk in any church because maybe the outside is pretty but the church is baptist, which you know clearly does not believe in marrying people of the same sex, we all know that you guys will be trying to sue us ok. That is why I voted YES on 8 because you are guys wanted to be treated special for being unatural. I dont believe in gay marriage but if I knew for sure that if I denied to marry you in my church that you would not sue me that I would be fine with it. That is what I hate about the gay people ways you try to force people to do stuff and stop comparing GAY TO BEING BLACK IT IS NOT THE SAME AND IF A BLACK PERSON IS GAY THEN FINE HE CHOSE HIS LIFESTYLE BUT HE IS STILL BLACK YOU STUPID PEOPLE, WHICH HE CANNOT CHANGE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Well put, and theoretically sound!

No wonder this country is so messed up! what’s next people wanting to marry their dogs!!

BLACK STRUGGLE & GAY STRUGGLE NOT EQUAL! Point blank period. Some argue that people are BORN gay like people are BORN black. but Guess what. People will only know ur gay if you tell them. People will know i’m black from 50 yards away.

I still dont think its right to give them the right to marry and then just REVOKE it. thats kinda messed up.

i think all this gays stuff for a lot of people is just a fad. I know a few females who claim they are BI, and they have never had a relationship with a women. These girls have been with men all their life but now since a dude cheated on her she is now gay. I am totally against fags getting married, but i believe they are selfish. If you engage in a activity that forfeits your rights to certain things its all your fault. I believe gays should not be allowed to adopt. if you engage in something that prohibits you from giving birth well to bad. now, if we were really against gays we would make it illegal but its not, so dont get mad that we dont support yall marriage

then what next is that if we give gays the right to marry same sex, then the bi sexual people will wanting to be recognized. then their argument would be we want to be recognized as bi sexual so we should have the right to marry one of each then polygamy is next

Are yall for real? Look, I can understand the frustration of the gay rights movement being equated to the civil rights movement, but let’s face it- hate is hate, no matter if it’s based on color, sexuality, nationality, etc. No the movements are not the exact same, but they still face some of the same struggles. I think the frustration gays have towards minorities who vote for this kind of shiz is that you have former second-class citizens supporting others treated like second-class citizens. As a nation who is still feeling the sting of slavery, you would assume, that at the very least, Blacks could offer compassion, if not support. But too often, Blacks allow a church that takes the mires Christ’s name (cause last time I checked, Jesus love EVRYONE. And further, unless you are God, I highly doubt you have the right to judge anyone, unless you have made yourself a false idol.) to dictate they’re actions. And don’t get it twisted, there have been plenty of gays who have been beaten and killed for their sexuality. Half the reason that movement is just getting started is that prior to about 50 or 60 years ago, being outwardly gay was a one way ticket to the morgue. And it wasn’t too long ago that Matthew Shepard was beaten to death, or Lawrence King was shot by his classmate. It’s not a matter of whether or not homosexuality is right or wrong. It’s about treating your fellow man without love or compassion, which is against the teaching’s of Jesus, and refusing to uphold the law by segregating an entire group of people from the rest of society. It’s time to wake up people! Stop letting your own hate or fear persecute an entire people. No one deserves that. People are too quick that until fairly recently, we didn’t have our full rights either. Never make others go through your struggle for the sake of having them struggle!

Plus, let’s be real. We are talking about two different forms of marriage here. There is the religious institution and the there is the legal one. The religious institution can not be regulated by the government. No church can ever, under the law, be forced to marry a gay couple. This is a none issue. What gays want a right to is the financial institution, which allows them access to the financial protections marriage offers. Further rights like being able to see your partner in the hospital and such are also crucial. I just don’t understand what can cause someone to fear another so passionately that they would be unwilling to give them basic legal protections. Yall would all make Jesus proud with all that hate.

Ok Obviously, some people that posted b4 me (Jennifer) have not studied the bible enough. and what da hell does this mean???

“here are/were preachers and devout Christians who believed that God wanted them to enslave Blacks cause Blacks were beneath them. Now all Black people would disagree with that, and would say ‘oh they were misinterpreting the Bible’, ‘they were wrong”

If you change the bible or use it in a foul way then you are wrong. plain and simple. If you can find any where in the bible it says go enslave black people, then you let me know… You point it out… copy and paste, I don’t care…

Second, you are right… Racist devils used the bible (changed it when they could) and tricked people into misunderstanding the bible. They also, as they still do today, even to molest and steal, use the bible and religion for their own personal gain. Look it up.

So don’t tell me any religious bs, that you don’t know about yourself. ansd

You can not point the finger at a color or so called race of people of people because some vote didn’t work your way. That is not right and are different subjects even tho they have experienced some of the same Bullchit. The civvil rights struggle can NOT be compared to the struggle of some marriage rights. Any of you who say this should be ashamed of yourselves for stooping so LOW. The reason for a of a voting system is so the MAJORITY of people rule. So if the majority didn’t vote your way then that is just that. Do something in your community to change it.

I think all people should have the same rights no matter who you fukin or riding with, Dem or Repub. WE ALL PEOPLE FROM THE SAME RACE. THE HUMAN RACE. WE JUST ALL DIFFERENT COLORS FROM PARTS OF ORIGIN ALL OVER THE WORLD. Aint NO Color better than the other in any way. WE ALL BLEED RED STUPID!!!!

Racist=Stupidity, & Ignorance= ( to Refuse the facts)

So stop being stupid and stop hating.

You are a part of your environment. Stop all this foolish finger pointing and talking down on folks. Take a lesson from YOUR PRESIDENT & MINE. and brush your mudhafukin shoulders off!!!! Learn what that means. Keep it movin.

Nothing to be ashamed of.

God made men to marry women, not other men.

God made women to marry men, not other women.

Truth is truth, like it or not.

If marriage is so sacred to Black people, why are soooooo many of them unwed mothers and fathers?

Since when is the “sanctity of marriage” so important to us black? I would think that the 70% divorce rate in our community would mean that we’re doing enough to ruin the sanctity of marriage ourselves, without the help of gays black or white.

Regardless of what anyone thinks, the idea of keeping gays from marrying is just as silly as the ban on keeping blacks from whites, which was only demolished 40 years ago. I love how quickly the opressed become the oppressor–how long, did that take, 24 hours? “Obama won! Free at last! Now, where are YOU two gentleman going?” Unbelievable. Never underestimate the power of ignorance.

I agree with Geebz 100%. People have the right to their opinions. I don’t hate gay people i just don’t think that 2 same of the same gender who decide to get together should have their union labeled a marriage. The term marriage originates in the Bible which clearly doesn’t condone same gender unions. But God did give us the right to free-will so although He clearly made his opinion clear about that we are still second-guessing it. Just because some of us don’t agree with Jesus’ opinion on what constitutes marriage doesn’t change the fact that marriage between two people other than a man and a woman isn’t a marriage. Saying the sky is green all you want doesn’t change the fact that it is blue. A homosexual union will never be marriage no matter how much you say it is. God is the judge and His judgement is clear in the Bible. Period.

dem ting nuh rite rasta….dih bible seh

ADAM and EVE not ADAM and STEVE…jus kno nuh fih come round me rasta…me set u pon fiya..awuh…

What is the difference between being black and being gay? When you are black you don’t have to tell your parents!!

Well, that is what the people have spoken and said. Maybe gay marriage is not a social priority.

If we are defining marriage as between a man and a woman, on the basis of religious tradition, than maybe we are having the wrong argument here. Maybe marriage in itself is an inherently flawed legal institution because it does not meet the legal criterion set forth by the Establishment Clause (separation of church and state). Instead of pushing this idea of “traditional marriage” (which is a false construct in itself considering the institution of marriage has been under constant changes in the last century) we should look to do away with marriage in the legal sense and only acknowledge it in the religious sense. What’s at stake here is a series of legal rights and protections offered under the term “marriage” but if that term is changed for everyone (because as Brown v. Topeka Board of Education displayed ‘separate is inherently unequal’) then we escape this repetitive and destructive battle that is currently being fought. The simple truth of the matter is that in America, you can not tell one individual that she or he is less than another, especially with regards to the law. This includes gender, race, ethnicity, sexual orientation, nationality, religious affiliation, etc. As Black-Americans, we have lived with a different experience than the hegemonic ruling class. We understand that we must hold ourselves to a higher standard to gain equal representation amongst the mainstream. Because of this unfair standard and constant struggle, it should be relatively easy to understand why we should sympathize with the struggles of other minorities, gay or Latino or Asian, etc. That does not mean that we must support their causes, but we should not be so quick to impose the same hate and animosity that was imposed on us. Further (and this may start an argument) but gays have been persecuted for their sexuality long before we were brought here in chains. Participating in homosexual activity is still punishable by death in various places in the world, and it was not too long ago that it was illegal in the US to be gay. Now for all the struggle we have faced for our skin color, it has never been illegal for us to live. Granted, it’s been illegal at times to lead full and equal lives, but our very existence has never been challenged in the same manner as homosexuality has. And finally, from a perfectly scientific standpoint, bisexuality is the biological standard amongst most mammals. In fact, strict heterosexuality is rarely observed within animals. Now I am not comparing humans to animals (though biologically that is what we are) but the argument stating that homosexuality is not natural is straightforwardly false.

I don’t know if this has been stated before, but the wording of the Proposition was so ridiculous that I believe that the majority of voters misinterpreted the choices.

For Prop 8:

Yes vote = no gay marriage

No vote = yes gay marriage

Do you see the confusion?

@Cocobarbie. You said you voted against Prop 8, which means you voted FOR gay marriage.