Quote of The Day

VeeZee

11/7/08, 01:26:am

First and only I guess. But anyway we should be ashamed of ourselves.

Buggi

11/7/08, 01:32:am

Funny how homosexuals find fault with those who oppose of their lifestyle.

Serious

11/7/08, 01:33:am

I think it’s absolutely insane to compare the struggle that African Americans had in this country with those of the gay “community”. No one is hanging gay people from trees or forcing them against buildings with high powered water. We did not choose any of this. Gay people chose this lifestyle. Plus, you can be a “down low” gay person, you cant hide being black.

coma

11/7/08, 01:34:am

It doesn’t matter who’s fault it is. You would think after us blacks went through a civil rights struggle like we did that we wouldn’t want to put anyone else through it. I guess not though. Love is beautiful regardless of whom has it with whom. Don’t discriminate.

thizzica a fox

11/7/08, 01:39:am

agreed coma. ignorant ***** people.

it’s the madea/church circuit. and we all know their homosexual population is at least equal to the genl populations.

jane

11/7/08, 01:40:am

I have nothing agains gay people, but i do believe that a man and a woman should be together, its natural…

kenya

11/7/08, 01:42:am

i voted no on prop 8…i feel as long as they aren’t a threat to me and what i’m trying to accomplish then go for it. let them be who they want to be…if that’s how they want to live then let them

Phlegm

11/7/08, 01:42:am

Oh the biting irony of it all. But i’m not surprised that blacks and mexicans voted for the ban. They’re products of a sub-culture of homophobia. It’s nothing more than a case of the ***** Simples and the irony of their decision had undoubtedly flown over their heads.

g-lish

11/7/08, 01:54:am

homosexuality is NOT a choice just as race is not. Do you honestly think people would CHOOSE to be treated this way? And while gays may not have been lynched or hanged, they were targeted during the holocaust and are the result of numerous hate crimes today. Similarly, the same p*****ages in the Bible that were used to justify slavery are now used against homosexuals. Wake up people! Civil rights are for ALL!

RighteouslyWrite

11/7/08, 01:54:am

I believe within those Black and Latina communities, there was also a generational divide such that my age group (under 30s) voted No, because we see it as being discriminatory and unfair, but our parents voted Yes, as result of their traditional (religious-tinged) beliefs…

SELENA

11/7/08, 01:55:am

Good point, coma. If gay people want to marry then they should have that right. No one should be in charge of their love life both them. We had a similar vote in Florida that did not p***** because of the same thing.

blackwoman

11/7/08, 01:55:am

i am glad to say and happy about black people who voted to ban the gays! that ***** is not right. and im glad blacks voted for obama. blacks are makeing a stand i say i am shocked with you all. good work. keep it up.

Wow

11/7/08, 01:57:am

I do not believe that you can compare being gay to being black… It actually *****es me off when people do… I am not one to judge because thats not my job, but I do feel like it is an insulting comparison…

nappyheadedho

11/7/08, 01:57:am

why was this ish even on the ballot in the first place? isn’t this like asking people who like hiphop to vote on whether country music should exist? just treat everybody equally, ok? we are really losing our grip when we have to VOTE on whether we recognise somebody else’s rights! but i do have to admit i agree with the guy in the article who said that minorities really shouldn’t be turning against other minorities. i’m like wanda sykes on this one, “if you ain’t gay, then don’t marry one!” And ladies, gays are not competition! These other hoes are!

Geebz

11/7/08, 01:59:am

Being born a certain colour and choosing who you want to bang are two different things. I grow weary of people that compare the two.

Now while I say that, I feel this way: I wouldn’t vote to keep two adults from doing anything besides murder or harm to another person. I do not believe in same-sex relationships for myself. If two men or two women find love with each other that’s fine. What isn’t fine is putting something like this up for the vote, having the majority vote against it and then attacking coloured people for their personal beliefs. Blacks only make up 12% of the american population. Their vote ain’t the vote keeping you from getting married. The MAJORITY is keeping you from getting married. People that look like YOU.

It’s easy to go pointing fingers at people that you feel owe you something, isn’t it? I watch the gays and see them discriminate and say hateful things about people of colour, keep even gay people of colour down and then try to blame these same people if they don’t get their way. Stop being spoiled children and litigate. Go to city hall and fight for what you feel is your right to marry. Don’t turn it into finger pointing and pulling others down. I know you think that if the blacks get a president that YOU should be able to marry. For goodness sakes it isn’t like you’re a minority. You deserve something, right?

Geebz

11/7/08, 02:02:am

and phlegm…not all latinos are mexican. Damn dude!

SELENA

11/7/08, 02:02:am

nappy,

You also give a good point. Unfortanely, we do not live in a country that thinks that way.

spliFF82

11/7/08, 02:11:am

This topic makes me soo sad…. I just feel that when people vote to ban gay marriage b/c of their on personal beliefs, we are taking a step back in time. Gays are people too, their sexual prefrence might differ from yours but they are human beings with feelings, and I just think it is soooo wrong to ban them for getting married, I, as an African American feel ashamed that there are other Africans Americans who are showing hatred towards others b/c of their sexual prefresnce.

take one more look at Dr. Martin Luther kings speech and listen closely to how he says “ALL PEOPLE” no matter color or creed.

Don’t be ignorant. Except people for who they are, and if you don’t, don’t ever expect to be treated equally your self.

Meme

11/7/08, 02:13:am

last time i checked we all have a right to our own opinion. not everyone voted for the rights of African-Americans. the people voted fairly. if u dont want people’s input then dont ask the people. not everyone is gay and not everyone agrees with gay marriage. get over it. america is a country that differs over opinion all the time. We differed over President elect Obama and he is the obvious choice to me. but not always to other people.

Kitty

11/7/08, 02:14:am

k….first off being black is something you are born with being gay is a lifestyle you can tell when someone is black you cant tell if someone is gay unless they tell you or they are flamboyant about it…gay ppl dont come after latinos and black ppl we have very religious upbringings that conflict with they gay life styles…..sorry

jer

11/7/08, 02:18:am

i’ve been coming to this site for a long time now. and i have to say that i was thoroughly *****ed when i came on last week and saw an ad for ‘yes on 8.’ obama supports the gay community and always has. this prop was about eliminating rights that gay people already had in california- the fundamental right to marry. obama and biden both said that this prop was a terrible and divisive thing and that people should’ve vote ‘no on 8.’

i’m not even going to get into the whole black vs. gay thing. because honestly, we are both in a minority status. obama being elected was a great thing for this country. and for california to overwhelmingly vote for obama and not for marriage equality, is terrible. but blaming black and latino’s is not the only way of ‘dealing’ with this. the people who developed this proposition are first and foremost at fault. but let this be a lesson. it took people of all racial and sexual identities to elect obama our next president. and it will take people of all racial, and sexual identities; to enable marriage equality.

Nita

11/7/08, 02:23:am

@jer wrote, “i’m not even going to get into the whole black vs. gay thing. because honestly, we are both in a minority status.”

I guess you’re one of those people who also think that latino issues and black issues are equivalent, as well. they’re not. there’s a big difference between black and gay issues.

would you say that women’s issues and gay issues are equivalent to one another?

or even that transgendered issues are equivalent to gay issues are equivalent to women’s issues are equivalent to black issues are equivalent to jewish issues are equivalent to amerindian issues?

I hope not.

Nita

11/7/08, 02:25:am

Bossip, your filters continue to suck. Anyway, I’ll try this one more time.

Daily Kos: The Hard Truth About Race and Prop 8 by Uncertain Physicist

The problem with this narrative is that the raw numbers just don’t add up. About 10 million people voted on Tuesday, 10% of which were black. That comes out to 1 million black people voted in total and 700k black people voted for Prop 8. We lost by around 500k. If black voters had voted in the same proportions as white people then 490k black voters would have voted for 8 instead of 700k. The difference would only be 210k less votes for 8. That’s not even half of what we lost by. Black people would have had to be MUCH less homophobic than everyone else in order to turn the tide the other way. They would have had to be more than 80% against. We didn’t even get numbers that good among white Democrats (the biggest cross-section of the vote against 8). The only other way it could have changed is if there were a LOT less black people voting, and since there was the first black presidential nominee from a major party that had about as much chance as my conservative Mormon parents converting to Islam and moving to Saudi Arabia.

So, in short, blaming blacks for the loss of our civil rights is pure and utter bull*****. It’s one of the more unpopular things to say right now, but this was the result of a much broader failure on the part of the No On 8 campaign and the gay rights movement in general. If you look at the rest of the exit polling data instead of focusing on some bull***** racial tension narrative a much grimmer big picture emerges.

Cocobarbie

11/7/08, 02:27:am

I actually voted against Prop 8 because if you live in the State of California they were talking about if it p*****ed then they would be teaching young children about princes marrying princes and so on. I have a very bright 6 year old son and I am sorry I do not want him going to school learning that. That was a BIG deal for myself as well as people that I know. I really don’t care about gays marrying, but don’t teach that to my child!!

D.A.

11/7/08, 02:33:am

the thing I noticed about election day was that the media was quick to jump on the question, “it seems to be the majority of African American voters, voted yes on 8″

its almost like, “hey we got a new black president lets instigate some *****”

it was a bittersweet election, I voted no on 8, because bottom line, civil rights should not be taken away from anyone, no matter religious beliefs. thats the reason there is a separation of church and state.

divisiveness being promoted by the media, on the dawn of a new era when we should all be unified.

if anything, the biggest culprits of this proposition was the Mormon Church, they accounted for about 73% of the funding for this Proposition

Chris

11/7/08, 02:35:am

It’s a sad day when discrimination is voted into the constitution in CA and in FL. When the divorce rate ranges from 41-50% in the US for 1st time hetero couples, then it not the gay lifestyle (as some of you want to call it) that is the problem.

Also being gay is NOT a choice. It might not be “normal” for reproduction purposes, but it definitely wasn’t a choice. Why would I choose to be gay when there is so much hate from people who are not?

Cocobarbie

11/7/08, 02:37:am

What’s with all the blaming anyways…? How taking this back to the Supreme Court who already overturned this decision once..?

Emily

11/7/08, 02:37:am

“I actually voted against Prop 8 because if you live in the State of California they were talking about if it p*****ed then they would be teaching young children about princes marrying princes and so on. I have a very bright 6 year old son and I am sorry I do not want him going to school learning that. That was a BIG deal for myself as well as people that I know. I really don’t care about gays marrying, but don’t teach that to my child!!”

Please explain to me why allowing gay couples to marry would lead to teachers teaching about alternative lifestyle?

Charles

11/7/08, 02:39:am

“What’s with all the blaming anyways…? How taking this back to the Supreme Court who already overturned this decision once..?”

Don’t worry. That’s already being planned by the ACLU. I hope they overturn it again.

adiamondcenter

11/7/08, 02:41:am

I’m black and even I think it’s wrong for them 2 get married but I still would have supported their rights………….I feel sad about that because all have a right to choose whom they love….Hang in their gays……….

anons

11/7/08, 02:42:am

This is a tough one..

but really gay folks just have to wait.

you can’t just hitch your cause to the racial minority wagon. your sexual minority status challenges the status quo in different ways and your movement is still in its infancy. The public psyche needs time to adjust and your movement has yet to blossom. More power to them.

It’s a valid civil rights issue, but it has its own lane and the gay community needs to keep the latino/black american struggle out they mouths (no homo) <<< sorry i had to

Ignoranceisbliss?

11/7/08, 02:43:am

HOMOSEXUALITY IS NOT A CHOICE!!! It is INCREDIBLY IGNORANT for people to still think that people actually actively “choose” to be gay. Who would ever prefer to endure the stigma, the insults, the discrimination, the prejudices? (for instance, the sh*t some of you are posting) Who would choose a lifestyle where they could not legally marry the person they love or have children with that person naturally?

And for people who say “you can hide being gay,” why should they? It is a part of who they are. They should not have to lie about one of the most important parts of who they are as a person.

Almost every gay man or woman will tell you that they have known they were gay since they were a little kid- you think they “make this choice” at age 4 and then stick with it for the rest of their life?? The same way YOU realized you’re straight is the same way THEY realized they’re gay.

I agree that you can’t compare the struggles of blacks and gays. But the fact that such ignorance is still so widespread and blindly believed is sickening. Whatever you feel about gay marriage or your own sexual preferences, don’t *****UME you know anything about being gay if you aren’t.

lexdiamonz

11/7/08, 02:43:am

i am not against it but what i am against is gay white people equating their struggle to being black get the hell out of here you can’t put blackness in the closet.

LetsBReal

11/7/08, 02:45:am

Check the bible….don’t get it twisted, the community of homosexuals will be damned, and therefore it is not anyone’s responsibility to accept it no matter how you flip it. Why do you think it’s called “coming out the closet” Because twenty so years ago it wasn’t an acceptable lifestyle, people were ashamed because they knew they were at fault. So just because we have celebrities black or white living the gay lifestyle doesn’t make it ok….and that’s whasup love it or hate it…God is Real.

Ole RatCheT a$s H0E!! Y0U cAN fInD mE in ThE LOU!!!

11/7/08, 02:45:am

***** what they talkin bout!!! Anyone that compares the civil rights movement and the struggle blacks have had to go thru for hundreds of years to this Gay marriage ***** is ignorant as hell. ***** *****es me off forreal, and I’ll tell a gay motha*****a in a minute! It’s NO comparison!!!

XP

11/7/08, 02:49:am

“Check the bible….don’t get it twisted, the community of homosexuals will be damned,”

Yeah, it also say “till death do us part” and no sex before marriage. But how many people follow that. I bet you will be “damned” too.

focusedpurpose

11/7/08, 02:50:am

i think prop 8 is bigoted and discriminatory. injustice anywhere is truly a threat to justice everywhere. one would think folks would embrace this self evident truth at some point. i hope that this wrong gets reversed sooner than later. again.

considering that at the protest outside of the mormon church (a church which didn’t believe black folks HUMAN not too long ago) in west hollywood, there were reports of (inexcusable/unacceptable) racial slurs being hurled by the rightfully angry (in my opinion—injustice will do that to you:-) gay people, i would say folks still have a lot to learn all the way around. we still refuse to respect each others differences.

a sidenote expressed with all due respect:

i find it appalling that a person would refer to themselves as a “nappy headed ho” and other women as “hoes”. in the interest of self respect may i suggest you re-evaluate that? there is nothing wrong with being nappy headed in my opinion. i am happily and gloriously just that. however, “ho” as i understand the term is very derogatory. why take a unique to black women trait and attach such a derogatory term to it? our nappy, dna resembling coiled, exotic crowns distinguishes us from all other women on this earth. our “proof” should be afforded much greater respect. in doing so, i think more black women and girls will accept themselves as they are created; realizing that there is nothing that needs to be “fixed”, altered, or changed. additionally, in order to command respect one must possess self respect.

it is merely a suggestion and at the end of the day, i do understand that life is about choices.

i pray you receive my suggestion to respect yourself and by extension, others, in the spirit of love and respect with which it was written.

self love~self acceptance~self respect

blessings all,

focusedpurpose

Cocobarbie

11/7/08, 02:51:am

Actually Emily do you own a t.v? If you do then you would have seen how many times that was said, they said I believe it was up North (Cal) that they had actually began teaching (alternate lifestyles) to young children. Believe I couldn’t make this up. That had a very negative effect for me, I didn’t see a rebuttal to this either!!

Charles I really hope you get what you want because personally I am a fighter and I fight hard for what I believe in so good for you and ACLU. But please use that energy for good, something other than blaming races. I don’t recall anyplace on the ballots where they asked for race, so how is it that L.A. Times knows exactly how many blacks and so on voted no on Prop 8?

Party_Planner_Diva

11/7/08, 02:51:am

People are born gay,not made gay, just as someone is born straight. I do not believe being gay and being black are equal fights, however. What I don’t understand is how people think that being gay a choice?? Why would you choose to go through this much ***** just to live their life? If they teach that a prince can marry a prince, so what?? If your son is gay, then he will be gay. Just as if he were born straight. It’s just something you just know. I live in Fla and they marketed that bullshiz amendment 2 as same sex marriage but what it really affected was life partners. I have been with my b/f for almost 7 years and I just have no desire to get married. With this amendment, if something happens to him, I can’t make any decisions for his welfare even in life or death situations. This is the propagandist ***** they feed you and cover it up with useless facts. They put all that crap in one and see how it hurts others? Gay marriage is already illegal in Fla with 3 other amendments but they had to throw this ***** together, which could result in many lives lost. Doesn’t make any sense but thats the way this narrow minded world works.

Terry

11/7/08, 02:52:am

“***** what they talkin bout!!! Anyone that compares the civil rights movement and the struggle blacks have had to go thru for hundreds of years to this Gay marriage ***** is ignorant as hell. ***** *****es me off forreal, and I’ll tell a gay motha*****a in a minute! It’s NO comparison!!!”

How many years of struggle have you personally faced “Ole RatChet a$s HOE!!!”? Maybe its best to take a writing cl*****.

anons

11/7/08, 02:53:am

lex diamonz…word!

that’s like how white folks love to point out….and this is how this story WILL BE WRITTEN in the end, folks…the fact that “Obama’s not even black he’s half white”- we cannot deny that a part of that brother’s success was white folks feeling like they could have a piece of it, have a piece of the history without the struggle.

thats what some in the gay community seem to be doing, tacking the history of racial struggle to their own struggle and thinking that gives them a bully pulpit automatically

angielove

11/7/08, 02:53:am

Personally I feel we should all have the oppurtunity to love who we want. But I am curious to know what blacks and latinos voted on with trying to legalize prostitution. I bet you its a different story and all morality went out the door!!!

Emily

11/7/08, 02:55:am

‘Actually Emily do you own a t.v? If you do then you would have seen how many times that was said, they said I believe it was up North (Cal) that they had actually began teaching (alternate lifestyles) to young children. Believe I couldn’t make this up. That had a very negative effect for me, I didn’t see a rebuttal to this either!!”

But that’s the teacher’s decision to teach that. Maybe it best to send a letter to the school board. 8 didn’t give teachers the right to teach it.

Party_Planner_Diva

11/7/08, 02:58:am

And why are people so quick to throw the Bible into everything?? I read the Bible and believe in God and Heaven and Hell but not everyone follows Christianity. Why is everyone so damned concerned about things that don’t affect them personally?? Ask yourself this question “How does it affect me personally?” If it doesn’t then don’t worry about it. You believe that homosexuality is against the Bible, then their time will come on Judgement Day. Stop worrying about other peoples salvation and get your own lives together.

Party_Planner_Diva

11/7/08, 03:01:am

@cocoabarbie….when you register to vote,you select an ethnicity. That’s how it’s tracked.

DeeDeeDee

11/7/08, 03:04:am

I’m personally disgusted that many minorities think that it is perfectly fine to discriminate against others. It’s hypocritical and it’s sad. It’s not for you to APPROVE of their “lifestyle.” I would love for someone to tell me how is it that, if you have never been gay, you can possibly state that being gay is a choice. When did you decide to be straight? And while you were making that decision, are you saying that you could have made the choice to love the same sex? If so, then you just might be at the very least BI.

As happy as I am that Obama won, I am sad for the gay community that they were basically told that they don’t deserve the same equality that everyone else in this country claim to have a right to. I’m tired of people saying it’s not the same thing. Discrimination is discrimination. If you can discriminate against gays, then you can’t possibly complain bout being discriminated against in your everyday life because of the way you were born.

So, for those of you who deal with discrimination on a daily basis, and who support the discrimination of gays, I don’t want to hear your *****ing and moaning. You don’t deserve to be treated any better than you treat gay people.

Cocobarbie

11/7/08, 03:05:am

But that’s the teacher’s decision to teach that. Maybe it best to send a letter to the school board. 8 didn’t give teachers the right to teach it.

They did not advertise it that way. Honestly, I would have voted yes but that is what detered me. I feel I should be the one teaching my children about sexuality not the school. That was the one prop I was unsure on all the way…

Kris

11/7/08, 03:05:am

It really makes me sick. You are totally fine to believe whatever the hell you want, but to impose your views on everyone else making it the law of the land is bigoted and discriminatory. The state of CA should not be taking peoples religious beliefs into consideration when it comes to their business because there is that separation of church and state thing, you may have heard about it. If I can get married without god involved then so should someone who is gay.

It is also your belief that gay people choose to be gay, but guess what? There are plenty of damn people that think being gay is not a choice, YET you want to hold your beliefs higher than someone elses and make them law. I think that’s being discriminated against. I may be wrong.

Don’t give me this sacred marriage BS as an argument because if you were really serious about making marriage sacred you would be mandating how straight people get married.

Emily

11/7/08, 03:07:am

“They did not advertise it that way. Honestly, I would have voted yes but that is what detered me. I feel I should be the one teaching my children about sexuality not the school. That was the one prop I was unsure on all the way…”

This is off topic, but I think parents, esp in the black community tend to wait way too long before they talk about sex/sexuality and all that stuff.

HOLLYWOOD BS

11/7/08, 03:09:am

That fat closeted racist perez hilton has to nerve to compare Martin Luther King’s struggle to the struggle of the gay community…he is even putting up pictures of MLK when referring to this P. 8 fiasco.

DA TRUFF!!! Barack Obama, a Black Man, is the President! Welcome to The United States Obamerica!!!

11/7/08, 03:09:am

NO GAY MARRIAGE!

CIVIL UNIONS? DOMESTIC PARTNERSHIPS??? MAYBE.

BUT “MARRIAGE” IS BETWEEN ONE MAN & ONE WOMAN. PERIOD.

MARRIAGE IS NOT:

TWO MEN

TWO WOMEN

ONE MAN & TWO OR MORE WOMEN

ONE WOMAN & TWO OR MORE MEN

A LIVE PERSON & A DEAD PERSON

MEN & LITTLE BOYS OR GIRLS

A MAN & A SHEEP

A WOMAN & A VIBRATOR

ANY OTHER COOKY COMBINATION PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY TRIED TO PULL OFF!!!

JUST DO A QUICK SEARCH AND SEE WHAT CRAZY MESS “PEOPLE” HAVE TRIED TO P***** OFF AS “MARRIAGE”!

THERE IS A POINT WHERE HUMAN RIGHTS END AND COMMON SENSE BEGINS.

LaSabre84

11/7/08, 03:09:am

When I went to vote Tuesday I had a real hard decision to make on how to vote on Prop 8! I voted yes because I feel that it was the right thing to do1 I know that it is wrong to discriminate against people how are gay, but I followed what the word of God says, Romans 1:27- And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. So to me this is the word, and it will always be the word!

Emily

11/7/08, 03:10:am

The younger generation will help fight for gay rights according with the voting breakdown.

AS YOU DID LEADING UP TO THE ELECTIONS….HERE ARE SOME EXIT POLLS: 72% of black women voted Yes. 51% of Latin men voted Yes, while 54% of Latin women voted No. The majority of voters (66%) ages 18-29 voted No, while the lion’s share (57%) of those age 65 and older voted Yes. Higher-educated voters who had completed college or post-graduate studies voted No, 54% and 64%, respectively. Voters who had a high school degree or some college under their belts voted Yes, 52% and 53%, respectively

XP

11/7/08, 03:13:am

“NO GAY MARRIAGE!

CIVIL UNIONS? DOMESTIC PARTNERSHIPS??? MAYBE.

BUT “MARRIAGE” IS BETWEEN ONE MAN & ONE WOMAN. PERIOD.

MARRIAGE IS NOT:”

My point was that they both Jim Crow and this Prop 8 debacle involve other groups infringing on the rights of them making this a civil rights/human rights issue.

And it does not change the fact that people have consistently used religion to defend their position. The Bible is also very explicit in the role of women (largely of women as property as that’s simply how it was for centuries when it came to marriage) and many other issues most people don’t even blink an eye at today. So I feel the comparison of slave owners using the Bible to justify the enslavement of blacks is apropos.

Re: They read the Bible and saw what they wanted to see/believe. The Bible can be a Rorschach test for many believers. Some read it and focus on feeding the hungry. Others push Prop 8.

Secondly, you are correct that the p*****ing of the bill did not take away other rights gays in California have, but by saying they can’t get “married” continues to make the point that gays and lesbians are not like “us,” the so-called “normal people.”

This is a “separate, but equal” situation. The government has NO right to say who cannot get married when it comes to consenting adults. To say, you can have marriage, but you can’t call it marriage and it can’t be like the marriage others enjoy is wrong. There’s this prevailing attitude that if we call it marriage we can’t say “you’re different” anymore to gays. Marriage is so “wholesome” and ritualistic and mundane. Characteristics not *****igned to gays. But you can have domestic partnerships, something like it.

It doesn’t have all the same protections as marriage, but … it’s something like it.

How is that fair? How is that acceptance? It’s a way to keep the opposition from complaining, letting them keep a thin wall between them and those different from them, but a wall IS a wall.

Like I wrote earlier, this proposition was really about fighting the continued normalization of homosexuality. That’s the issue and the real fear. Otherwise, why would they have bothered at all? The “it’s only semantics” argument cuts both ways. If it’s only semantics why do straight people care so much to define marriage as being between a man and a woman? Obviously semantics is huge and the word “marriage” means something bigger than simply “spouse.”

It’s all about one side thinking homosexuality is immoral and should be marginalized and another side thinking homosexuality is a normal part of human sexuality and should be accepted.

And once again, black people who are homosexual have to deal with racism and being gay. Black people need to stop talking about homosexuality as if it’s something white guys do on weekends. These laws affect OUR people too. So I don’t think there’s anything wrong with discussing the Civil Rights movement along side any discussion of other human rights battles. They’re living and fighting both.

Human rights are universal themes that go beyond race, gender and sexual orientation.

Cocobarbie

11/7/08, 03:16:am

@Party Planner Diva

I still dont think it is possible to count voting percentages and still be accurate. I registered in like 95, and the neighborhood that I vote in, which is different than where I reside is much different than what it was in 95. There are many more Hispanics than in 95, it may even be the majority now. So unless someone is marking races on your ballots when they are turned in those numbers can’t be accurate. Those numbers are designed to stir a little ***** in the pot….can’t tell me different!!!

anons

11/7/08, 03:18:am

u know what would help? this is gonna sound ignorant but…

if there were some nationally visibly, laudable, successful gay people who weren’t entertainers or queens. Someone to challenge the stereotypes of gays. I know there’s resistance from the general population, but they’ve secured a great deal of financial power in certain sectors and few know it.

They’re biggest obstacle is figurin out how to pull everyone out the closet so that more of mainstream america can indentify…too many tokens runnin around at the moment.

Ole RatCheT a$s H0E!! Y0U cAN fInD mE in ThE LOU!!!

11/7/08, 03:20:am

Terry:

Do me a favor and shut the ***** up…gay loving *****!!

Back to the topic…

Gay people can do what they wanna do…suck a ***** or eat a *****. Just don’t compare themselves to black people.

Terry

11/7/08, 03:23:am

“Gay people can do what they wanna do…suck a ***** or eat a *****. Just don’t compare themselves to black people.”

They are not trying to compare themselves to black people. I thought that black people would be sympathetic to their cause, since they are both opposed minorities in America. Also dont forget, the are gay, black men too.

Anton Slizardhands

11/7/08, 03:23:am

Homoz

Terry

11/7/08, 03:24:am

Fixed the errors…

They are not trying to compare themselves to black people. They thought that black people would be sympathetic to their cause, since they are both oppressed minorities in America. Also dont forget, the are gay, black men too.

DA TRUFF!!! Barack Obama, a Black Man, is the President! Welcome to The United States Obamerica!!!

11/7/08, 03:24:am

@ XP

NICE, WELL THOUGHT OUT & INTELLIGENT POST!

WAS THAT FOR ME???

BECAUSE YOU USED PART OF MY POST…, BUT IGNORED THE MOST IMPORTANT PART……

TO ME IT IS A LABEL ONLY ISSUE. GO BE GAY/LES/ETC… DO YOUR THING. HOOK UP FOR LOVE & FOR LIFE. GET A CIVIL UNION/DOMESTIC PARTNERSHIP. THROW A CEREMONY. HAVE A NICE LIFE.

Party_Planner_Diva

11/7/08, 03:24:am

@anons

You think these people don’t exist now??? You have got to be kidding me. They are out there…

Loving_MeALLday24/7/365

11/7/08, 03:25:am

Why is it that because someone votes opposite of you they are wrong? So, we have a difference of opinion, whatever, get over it. Yes on 8, and that is my personal opinion and there is nothing that anyone can say to change that. So why is it that I am wrong because this is what i believe? I’m not saying your wrong, but let’s say it this way . . . If one day I am proven wrong (this will never happen in my opinion, but just saying) then I am more than willing to live my life right now being wrong (but we know I’m not).

Grace

11/7/08, 03:26:am

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anons

11/7/08, 03:27:am

party planner, the key word was nationally visible. of course they exist, more than most people know and that’s my point.

Cocobarbie

11/7/08, 03:30:am

This is off topic, but I think parents, esp in the black community tend to wait way too long before they talk about sex/sexuality and all that stuff.

I wouldn’t say that but come on 6 is just a bit too young to go off into the birds and bees. But if my son asks a question I don’t shun him with the “your too young” because to me if he is old enough to ask then he’s old enough to know. I am very open and feel in todays time you should be with kids bc you don’t want anyone else to teach them. Only thing is that the questions are starting to get harder…lol

Emily

11/7/08, 03:33:am

“I wouldn’t say that but come on 6 is just a bit too young to go off into the birds and bees. But if my son asks a question I don’t shun him with the “your too young””

I was actually thinking ~10, when most start middle school. However, many are learning from their friends and TV. Resulting in those 14,15,16 yo’s getting pregnant.

DA TRUFF!!! Barack Obama, a Black Man, is the President! Welcome to The United States Obamerica!!!

11/7/08, 03:38:am

GAY RIGHTS DO NOT EQUAL THE BLACK CIVIL RIGHTS.

THAT’S LIKE SAYING GUN RIGHTS OR ABORTION RIGHTS EQUALS THE BLACK CIVIL RIGHTS.

THEY ARE ALL THIER OWN INDIVIDUAL THINGS WITH THIER OWN SEPERATE ISSUES.

asil

11/7/08, 03:43:am

please, dont anyone try and compare gay with black our color will never change, we will still be discriminated against, we have been hunged, burnt, killed, taken away from our families, people vote for what they believe if they dont believe in gay marriages thats their opinon and right, i believe a woman and man is sacred union, being gay is not the norm, and marriage surely is not, when god made man he made a companion woman, not man and man

i love everybody, but that doesent make me wrong, cause i dont support gay marriage thats my opinion, and it will not change

Cocobarbie

11/7/08, 03:47:am

I was actually thinking ~10, when most start middle school. However, many are learning from their friends and TV. Resulting in those 14,15,16 yo’s getting pregnant.

I do agree with you. I think some parents feel if they have those talks with their kids that they will encourage them have sex so instead they dont have the talk or have it too late because like you said friends and t.v. are showing them what and how to do it. My mom was very open with me about sexuality, I didn’t lose my virginity until I was 18 and out of high school to this guy I was sooo in love with. I won’t say that I wasn’t curious but because my mom gave me the 411 on sex I must say that I did it when I was ready and not for anyone else.

mary

11/7/08, 04:00:am

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WordtotheWise

11/7/08, 04:04:am

People have their own opinions on homosexuality. Some agree with it, some don’t. I happen not to agree with the lifestyle. Call me homophobic if you want (even though I’m not b/c I have no fear of them at all). I agree marriage should be between a man and a woman. I do not hate gays and accept them like I would anyone else. As far as being “born” gay. I’m not buying it. Why would someone CHOOSE that lifestyle. Well a lot of people do thing that others oppose, even if it costs them their lives. I know several gay men and they disagree with that premise as well. Just because you a against a lifestyle doesn’t mean you HATE the person. If you have children, do you always agree with what they do? No. Do you love them anyway? You should.

Anyway, that’s my opinion.

Glenn

11/7/08, 04:05:am

On the biggest day for minorities in this Country minorities proved iggnorance is bliss. We want a chance at being on a level playing field and deny that very right to others. Like my Grandma always said…….. ” *****s aint *****.”

WordtotheWise

11/7/08, 04:07:am

Well Glen, since “*****s ain’t *****” then don’t expect their vote, punk!

RF

11/7/08, 04:15:am

“I know several gay men and they disagree with that premise as well.”

Well I personally have 24 gay friends that all agree they were born with it. I personally recognized I wasn’t attracted to girls at 8.

WordtotheWise

11/7/08, 04:30:am

Well then RF, I guess some gays differ in opinions as well. If you feel you were born gay, so be it.

true new yorker

11/7/08, 04:32:am

it doesnt matter, the laws dont matter. whether or not the united states of america wants to acknowledge a relationships validity should serve no difference. if you love someone…anyone, it will conquer all and you won’t need some stupid ***** piece of paper to do whatever the fk you want and have to do!

Glenn

11/7/08, 04:34:am

Trust me I don’t how we gonna ask people to respect us for who we are and then turn around and turn our backs on other minorities?

White Heterosexual Conservative People Don't Own The Trademark On Marriage

11/7/08, 04:45:am

some people do choose to be gay and experiment with gay lifestyle.

some people don’t choose to be gay and are born gay.

either way, two consenting adults who love eachother and wish to marry should be permitted to do so.

one does not have to agree with gay marriage. but a constitutional ban of gay marriage is extreme bigotry. it is not a matter of personal opinion or about agreeing or not agreeing, it is a matter of civil rights.

scapegoating black people for prop 8 p*****ing is also extreme bigotry.

black folks didn’t hang matthew shepard on fence to die. a bunch of bigoted young white people did.

this country barely respect the marriages of black folks, jus a few months ago, fox news called the married future first lady “baby mama”. black marriage is also still in need of defending.

white heterosexual conservative people don’t own the trademark on marriage.

p

11/7/08, 05:23:am

The way we’ve come to define marriage is as a civil union, not just a religious thing. Otherwise, my boyfriend’s hindu parent’s marriage wouldn’t be recognized by the state. I don’t think any of you have a problem with a happy married straight indian couple. But if you believe marriage is a religious institution, and not a civil one, then you don’t think they should be married.

I think ultimately, it doesn’t matter if you think being gay is immoral, you think “marriage” is a term for only straight couples, you want to follow the words of the bible, etc: if its not your life, why should you care? If god will judge, so be it. It’s not up to us.

I’ve seen a lot of misinformation on here concerning the issue of sexuality being taught in schools. It’s up to families and parents to pick their school’s curriculums on the matter, and they can choose to teach their kids about marriage at home, if you deem it something you want to be in charge of. If parents decide they want their children educated about this in school, they will be – like parents in SF asking their childrens’ lesbian teacher to invite the kids to her wedding. The teacher didn’t make the decision – the parents did.

Lastly, I understand that a lot of people are uncomfortable comparing the civil rights movement to the gay rights movement. These are apples and oranges, but I don’t think ANYONE wants to be hated on for who they are on the inside, whether they’re born that way or find themselves to be that way. How many years ago was it that couples like Barack’s parents were prevented from marrying by law? Their love, however brief, still managed to produce an amazing figure that is going to change OUR country’s history forever. I just don’t see why gay couples shouldn’t be able to do the same(except the biological issue, but obviously there are so many babies needing homes, surrogacy, etc). Please don’t try and stop them from sharing their love, and bringing more beautiful people into the world.

untitled

11/7/08, 05:27:am

i find it insulting as well. and i find it even MORE insulting when people go as far as to invoke dr. king’s name and image in relation to prop 8.

let’s compare apples to apples. we are talking about one “civil right”. meanwhile, gay people are allowed to have civil unions and no one beats on their doors and burns crosses if they choose to live together (like a married couple would, but without the title). black people could not only marry who they choose, but they also could not even live with who they choose or carry on any public relationship with a person of the opposite race.

i’m not sure where i stand on the whole issue, but it’s a stretch, at most, to try to compare their right to marry to our civil rights movement. be serious.

No, seriously

11/7/08, 05:49:am

Look, I could care less if gays want to get married; what doesn’t affect me is fine. I live in M*****achusetts where gay marriage has been legal now for four years. Our black governor, Deval Patrick, is not only supportive of gay marriage, but he also has a recently outed lesbian daughter.

But some here in Boston’s black community, particularly the black minisiters, are still mad about legalized gay marriage.

The problem that occurred is that the gay marriage movement here four years ago was led mostly by privilegded white gays who didn’t intereact with blacks on our issues, but kept harping on blacks to support their effort because of our legacy in the Civil Rights Movement. Instead, what they should have done was try to connect the marriage question by reaching out to the straight AND gay black communities with actually problems we all deal with today. Both gay and straight blacks have to deal with poor health access, poverty, unemployment, crime and other issues.

I’m not gay, but I can tell you that there is not one black gay person I know who thinks marriage equality is a priority unless the above issues of race and cl***** are addressed simultaneously.

Unfortunately, only now after gay marriage in M*****achusetts has been legal that the white gays want to better understand black problems, which is a bit late if you ask me.

sickofitt

11/7/08, 05:51:am

I live in Cali and I voted for Prop 8. I feel like two consenting adults should marry whomever they want. But, I am also insulted when gays compare their struggle to that of blacks. I have a gay friend that I have known for over 7 years, the first four years of our friendship I never knew he was gay, but he knew I was black the moment I stepped in his view.

Blacks and Latino’s are racially profiled all over America by the police. I have never heard a gay person say, “The cops pulled me over because I was gay?” How many gays are murdered or incarcerated for mistaken identity, the way that blacks and Latino’s are? I agree that Gays have a huge battle on their hands to be accepted, but it is not the same as a black man being shot 19 times because he fit the description.

Also, with this whole Metro-sexual thing I don’t *****ume someone is gay because of the way they are dressed or they way that they looked, etc…. In Los Angeles, I can not make that *****umption because I have been wrong many times. I decided not to make those *****umptions. But when it comes to being black, you don’t have to *****ume.

I say, just treat people like you want to be treated. That’s it that’s all. I don’t care about who you marry and sleep with and you shouldn’t care about my personal biz as well.

sickofitt

11/7/08, 05:53:am

oh wow my picture is finally displaying

No, seriously

11/7/08, 05:55:am

By the way, the privileged white gays I speak of our this organization called M*****Equality!

outsider

11/7/08, 06:12:am

That ***** at people being born gay is total BS. first off do any of you know any age people. all the gays/bisexual I know both man and woman got that way from being molested or experimenting. Where i am from (Barbados)I don’t have a problem with grown men and women looking for a mature parter but the one’s who are looking for little boys and girls 14-17yrs because the legal age to have sex is 16 so they use this as an excuse as it being Ok. I would like to get rid of.

JJ

11/7/08, 06:19:am

America was founded on christian princeples and those come from the bible and the bible clearly teachs that homosexuality if wrong get over it, you can’t get married like straight people, live together be happy, if you wanna get married like straight people be straight

The Bear (I bleed swagger) My dog is GIDDY as hell about Obama's victory

11/7/08, 06:21:am

OK… So we’re not quite ready to live in Soddom and Gommorah just yet. I say Hooray California!!!

Nicole

11/7/08, 06:23:am

I’m not sure why people are upset because we decided not to vote for something that we don’t believe in (against our morals) I would not vote for same sex marriage because of my spiritual beliefs. I wouldn’t vote Y*E*S for anyones sin for that matter. We were discriminated because we were born, they decide to live a certain (sinful) lifestyle and want acceptance…….. there is a B*I*G difference!!!!!

ivory

11/7/08, 06:45:am

i voted no on prop 8 b/c i don’t believe in discrimination of ANY kind. i the problem w/ this country is that we are unable to seperate church and state. let God judge homosexuals; it’s really not our business. i have enough to worry about; i don’t really care about dave marrying joseph….who cares?

Carlos

11/7/08, 06:48:am

I can say this as a christian black male who believes like the bible allows you can choose whatever you want. I don’t discriminate on anyone. I am in college and i have 150 kids in my fraternity at the moment. Two of my fraternity brothers are gay. I love them dearly but i believe marriage is between a man and a woman. I believe they can have ever single right that straight couples have legally. However I just don’t agree with it being called marriage. I don’t think that is being discriminatory i just think that one word marriage is between a man and a woman. So i even though i have very good friends who are gay voted yes for 8. However I know a lot of bigots voted on other reasons. I want gays and whoever else to be able to have equal rights but just call their unions something different. I believe that is fair just like all the kids who call me because im biracial not one race or the other no matter who i identify with.

kelz

11/7/08, 06:52:am

With the divorce rate in the US being over 50%, heterosexuals have no right to tell anyone that they should not be able to marry. If the government is allowed to make laws taking away rights of gay citizens, what makes you think other rights might now be stripped away, because we don’t agree with a lifestyle? I am not comparing the gay struggle to the black struggle, but they are people to. Some of these comments in this debate are just down right ignorant. It 2008 people, its take for CHANGE!!

just my opinion

11/7/08, 06:59:am

Black people are the most ignorant people in this country.

so quick to pull the race card when it comes to theirselves BUT yet oppose anything else than Black.

And dont say gay people choose their lifestyles cuz I doubt they do.. who would choose to be different from the norm?

"M"

11/7/08, 07:01:am

….

me

11/7/08, 07:07:am

cosign @ ivory

——

why do people who sin have the need to judge other people for it? who told u one sin is a less sin than the other? how many of u had pre marital sex, have children out of wedlock, drink, do drugs etc. and yet you “disagree” with a sinful lifestyle?

btw gays dont choose to be gay, they are born with it, too.

please read a *****ing book before you write ***** like this down.

You are not God, he is the only one who is allowed to judge people.

btw.. christianity is a sin itsself so u people lost anyways.

at least 19398495 contradictions in the bible and u still believe that stuff.

SMH

Vito

11/7/08, 07:10:am

Why do they think that black folks should side with them and that we are entitled to think how we want to think. Shame on them for *****uming that we all support that life style. I’m not throwing stones at anyone, but please respect my right to have my own opinion. Yes to prop 8.

Whatchaknoaboutdat?

11/7/08, 07:12:am

Sorry folks but I am a born a raised and in L.A., Calif. and I don’t agree with the “gay rights” issues. Gay rights and Human/Civil rights issues aren’t the same. I think that it’s wrong to compare the two issues because “gay rights ” is about ones “Sexual” prefrences and the struggles and fight for blacks over 100 years was about “slavery” and being mistreated and the two issues are not even closely related and I have ALWAYS fought tried to explain the to the gay ppl that I come across.

Gay rights and Civil rights are different issues ppl!!!! Gay ppl should be ashamed of themselves for trying to hop onto the “black/freedom fighters” bandwagon!

Well...

11/7/08, 07:45:am

Some of you need to get a clue. I can love and accept you without loving and accepting everything you do. What most people do not realize is that African Americans are overwhelmingly conservative in our social values.

People who voted for the gay marriage ban are not ignorant. They just disagree with gay marriage. I am far from ignorant, myself, and I fervently believe that homosexuality is wrong. You can be of a different opinion, but that doesn’t make my opinion any less valuable.

In my opinion, marriage should always be between one man and one woman. So if I have an opportunity to vote that way, then I would. That’s my decision. I think that is a state decision and the people of each state should make it. I don’t believe there should be a federal ban on marriage, because marriage is not a contract with the federal government. It is a contract with the state and the two people (one man, one woman) entering into it. So I didn’t support Bush’s federal ban on gay marriage, for legal reasons.

And I am sick and tired of homosexuals comparing their plight with that of my ancestors. It *****es me off to no end. No I shouldn’t support what I consider immoral behavior just because you aren’t provided what you consider “rights”. That doesn’t make sense.

Someone called it the “madea/church circuit” mentality. Call it what you will, but as a Christian being I know what the Bible says about homosexuality, from the old testament to the new. Take it how you like. If you don’t share those beliefs (spiritual/religious), then we have no argument. But if you do call yourself a Christian, you may want to examine yourself. We accept people, but people have to known that you don’t accept behavior that is anti to God’s plan. (That includes your own behavior as well…)

Kara

11/7/08, 07:49:am

Let people live. How does it take away from my life if consenting adults are allowed to enjoy the benefits and priveleges that straight adults do? Jeez. Let people live. They’re not asking to be allowed to molest children. They’re not asking to sleep with frickin animals. They want to be able to be recognized as full members of society and isn’t that what everyone asks? I’d support a ban on hate group members being allowed to marry and procreate. damn. Equality is a good thing for all of us.

Roni

11/7/08, 07:50:am

If I still lived in Cali I would’ve voted against it to.

We’re historically a very religious people who believe what the bible says…and it says a man with a man is an abomination. Nothing added, nothing taken away.

British scones

11/7/08, 07:51:am

I am soooooooo disappointed this was supported, it just makes your country seem like its taking a step back after the glorious events on Tuesday…..I mean would it really hurt anybody if gay people were allowed to marry??? If you personlly dont like homosexuals well get ready to not like em even more….cos now they’ll be angry!!!

You could have just voted against it and kind of let them get on with their own business while you got on with your own……..jeez!

finally17nluvinit

11/7/08, 07:51:am

@ serious,

true u cant hide black, but still why shoukd they have to hide themselves and who they are ?and who they love? im one of those people that beleive the theory tht people dont chpoose to be gay,though some DO decide…..

( i had a girl in my cl***** that said she felt like she HAD 2 b a lesbian bc no boys liked her and she didnt like the way her body was shaped n didnt feel comfrotable in womens clotes)

you say that they dont get lynched or hosed down, but there ARE hate crimes against gay people,…they were included included in the exterminations i the holocaust.

I know comparing the struggles taht Oscar Wilde had to endure compared to Booker T. Wahingtons is hardly a comparison of struggle at all. But I do agree the crimes against them and the prejudice against them isnt to the extent and power that we had to go through,but do acknowledge that there is a struggle for them too.

British scones

11/7/08, 07:53:am

SMH @ those 70% of Black Californians…

Well...

11/7/08, 07:54:am

Furthermore,

Some of you people are ignorant. (Meaning, not knowledgeable). “Marriage” has never been a right that allows wide ranged freedom. And the right to marry is not being taken away from gay people. They still have it. It exists just like it exists with heterosexual people. A heterosexual person can only marry someone of the opposite gender, just as a homosexual person can only marry someone of the opposite gender. There’s no difference. Call it what you like. But that’s the cold hard, legal reality of it.

So nothing has been taken away from these individuals. They actually had the “privilege” extended to them to marry someone of the same sex without a vote by the people of the state to begin with. Now the people have spoken, deal with it.

For those of you wailing about Christians being hypocrites…the true meaning and ideal behind Christianity is repentence and redemption. If you don’t acknowledge and remove yourself from your sins then you don’t receive salvation. I’m not telling you what to believe, I’m just telling you if you’re going to talk about it, get it right.

PURPPLE

11/7/08, 07:57:am

I feel mixed ways about this and hey I am not against gays but I would like to see my society as normal as possible, all this gay stuff is getting out of hand so Im fine with them putting a ban on gay marriages.

goomba

11/7/08, 08:08:am

FOr one I agree. Obama while he does support gays he does not believe that they should be married. He believes that this should be focused in a male and femaile type of pledge. The problem is a lot of the homosexual community want things that are linked to Christianity but denounce christianity when it comes to rebuking their lifestyle. So they really need to get it together and decide where they want to be. Obama does believe that they can be in a contract situation but not marriage. So please next time you comment on Obama’s stance please know his position. I agree with the decision that was made in California. The problem is the homosexual community want to slam that information into our society and not everyone is bying it.

serene

11/7/08, 08:09:am

GAY RIGHTS DO NOT EQUAL THE BLACK CIVIL RIGHTS.

Its about rights period.

MsIndy

11/7/08, 08:12:am

The reason why this happen is because they had a robo

call with Obama’s Voice saying that gay people shouldnt marry. But i couldnt care less as a African American, If they want to marry let them marry! Who are we to judge, only god does so!

serene

11/7/08, 08:16:am

As for my opinion

I have no problems with the gays getting married, or anything they wanna do. As long as it doesnt hurt me, i could care less. I don’t know who decided that “marriage” is defined as being between a man and a woman. And if u do believe being gay is a lifestyle……then y is it the government’s business or anyone’s business. I’m beginning to think that people don’t care about rights as long as it doesn’t affect them….but little do they know…….

Ermy Erm

11/7/08, 08:19:am

*****ody is born gay.

Divab

11/7/08, 08:21:am

I dont like this comparison gays make with us black people! I really dont. And I think they should stop that ***** RIGHT NOW!

I do not support Prop 8. I dont even live there! However, stop comparing the plight of gays and A.A’s the same!

That ***** is totally different! OMG!

serene

11/7/08, 08:23:am

what if they would of put the rights of black folks on ballot in the 60s? Can u imagine…..

jUst that iLL!

11/7/08, 08:24:am

Nappy, I am with you 100%

Florida had to vote on Amendment 2. All everyone kept saying was that it keeps gays from marrying; but it also keeps hetrosexual couples that are co habiting from having benefits. LIVE AND LET LIVE PEOPLE!

ebGCH

11/7/08, 08:24:am

I think its sad.

They should have the right to be able to visit their partner in the hospital, and handle their affairs in the event of their partner’s death.

Its not just marriage, more things are at stake.

[but do not compare it to black's struggle. Do Not.]

Anonymous3 - the fire sign

11/7/08, 08:25:am

what bothers me is the fact that homosexuals like to tie their struggles to the struggles of Black people….excuse me??!! I can’t change my skin color but they can act Butch for a minute so that no one would know that they were gay…..I’m sorry…I’m not trying to be P.C…..the two cannot be compared

PURPPLE

11/7/08, 08:25:am

gay rights and black rights are not the same issue!

mis*****ytical

11/7/08, 08:25:am

Like many, I think its offensive and insulting that African Americans and Latinos are being targeted as if they must defend their voting choices to gays, the media, or anyone else. Why is that? Are you looking for a scapegoat for Prop 8 being p*****ed? It’s easy to blame…my gay coworkers did the same. (It’s interesting how they were allowed to express feelings of disappointment over the p*****ing of the measures but I was looked at *****eyed for my expressed joy–only after being asked about it–in our new President-Elect…)The struggles were not and will not ever be the same! Why is it that we are constantly thrust into a defensive position? You will not detract from my joy, nor discourage me from celebrating Obama’s victory–the majority has spoken. The majority–isn’t that what democracy is all about? The awesome right you have is to fight to have laws changed…legally…

BKLYNZ OWN

11/7/08, 08:29:am

NO HOMO-SEXUAL MARRIAGE…I VOTED FOR IT TO BE BANNAED. WHY THEY MAD AT BLACKS AND LATINOS,YOU CANT COMPARE THE TWO SITUATIONS.THIS COUNTRY IS FOUNDED ON CHRISTIANITY,ITS AGAINST CHRISTIAN BELEIFS FOR 2 PEOPLE,SAME SEX TO BE INVOLVE. I.E (SADOM AND GAMORA)YOU CANT STOP PEOPLE FROM BEING GAY,BUT MARRIAGE, GTFOH….THEY BETTER LEGALIZE WEED BEFORE THEY DO THAT.

Necy(aka) Obama girl

11/7/08, 08:29:am

why can’t all people have the same rights DAMN IT???????

beauty on lock

11/7/08, 08:30:am

P and No, Seriously:

Both so on point!

Necy(aka) Obama girl

11/7/08, 08:32:am

eveyone deserves to be happy REGARDLESS of race, color, sexual orientation, handicap, religion, etc, etc,etc

Necy(aka) Obama girl

11/7/08, 08:35:am

I’m married and I voted against Amendment 2 here in FL…. is not right!!! EVERYONE DESERVES EQUAL TREATMENT….

P

11/7/08, 08:35:am

This is actually the best thing that could have happened. The lawsuits have started and the supreme court will have to make the law unconstitutional, hopefully after Obama makes his appointments.

meme

11/7/08, 08:38:am

TO EACH AND EVERY TRANSSEXAUL/GAY MAN ……JUST KEEP *****ING THEIR MEN.

J0EY BISHOP

11/7/08, 08:40:am

since they wanna get mad at *****s then ***** gay people,being fruity is a SIN anyway! and all of’em gone slide down that pretty rainbow into a pot of fire!

PURPPLE

11/7/08, 08:40:am

Well if you check your history HOMOSEXUALITY is HUGE in the Arian community, always has been since the Ceasar and Roman days. Im not saying it has never happened in African culture but it IS NOT prevelant like it is in CAUCASIAN culture/ Learn your history black people and stop conforming to white rule, you dont have to change your opinions to be politically correct, its not your HISTORY, its thiers!!!

i voted obama to the blackhouse wutcha gonna do about it

11/7/08, 08:44:am

excuse me but i didnt vote yes or no to that…all i remember is checking OBAMA/BIDEN and high tailing my ***** to work…i love the gays and lesbians they are fun to be around…everyone has a choice im not GOD to be acting all judgemental so i damn sure didnt vote against yall…like we Black people need more people to hate on us smdh

Lee

11/7/08, 08:48:am

I am sick of the comparison.

Being a straight individual, I cannot speak on homosexuality being a “choice” or not. Most people DO speak on it but I think only someone in that lifestyle can give accurate insight as to whether it is or not. I cannot imagine that they would CHOOSE voluntarily to subject themselves to all of the mistreatment that comes with.

We do not have a “closet” and being black in this country is still the easiest target in the world.

That said, many of us view “marriage” as a religious institution – including myself. That does not mean, however, that it is! Someone made the statement that this country was founded on Christian principles. Native Americans (remember them?) did NOT practice Christianity. Christianity was brought to America with the Christians BUT that was a loonnnnnnggggg time ago! There are many more people here now (some brought forcefully) and they brought their religions to this place too. Everyone’s religion is their own personal truth by which THEY live – can’t make others live it as well.

I am a Muslim. We’re definitely not feeling gay marriage but *****ody says we have to. The fact of the matter is that these unions do exist and there needs to be some legal remedy to protect them because they face the same problems ALL unions face (for example, health insurance coverage for partners as well as wills and inheritance issues in the event of a partners unfortunate demise).

People are so insecure. They think if they let “those people” get married too, what does that say about MY marriage? It says NOT A THING about your own marriage. It remains what it ALWAYS was. The alarming divorce rate among HETEROSEXUALS is what is eroding the institution of marriage – not the cl*****es of people who are invited to join in. Let them have it. I’d rather see a committed gay couple married than a single mother with 4 baby daddies. Seriously. It is time to start thinking outside the box.

Macho-in-Paris-France

11/7/08, 08:51:am

I am against GAY MARIAGE, mariage is a SYMBOL. Our kids or future generations must know that mariage is always between a man and woman. It’s that way our ancestors, people now make babies or childrens. BUT I AGREE that government can traduce their relations as some CIVIL UNION and GIVE THEM SOME ADVANTAGES as others maried couples. POINT BLANK.

sweetness in your tea...

11/7/08, 08:52:am

i dont mind gay marriage. i DO feel like there will be a lot of drama involved itit not being banned.

Macho-in-Paris-France

11/7/08, 08:54:am

I AM GLAD that GAY IS BANNED. BUT I SUPPORT their needs to get some ADVANTAGES related to their “Civil Union”, or something like. OK?

J0EY BISHOP

11/7/08, 08:54:am

california lawmakers dirty tricks done got gay people mad at black folks..*****s takin the blame for that *****,aint that a *****!

meelah

11/7/08, 08:56:am

Homosexuals have alot of nerve talking about “we should know what it’s like”. I hate when white homosexuals (yes, I am getting at a particular group within the community) get out of pocket and talking ish and our struggle. They do not know at all, at least if you are gay you can attempt to blend in, versus being black or latino where it is determined by your appearance. These *****f**ckers are impatient as sh*t, it took us 400 years to get our sh*t, so wait in line *****es. It took us 143 years after slavery to elect a black president,so clearly your so called struggle (which is a laugh) will take time and more effort. F. Damion Barela GET A F***KING LIFE!

M

11/7/08, 08:58:am

I just want to say…for all those who oppose Prop 8, how are people suppose to vote against this proposition when the Bible directly says that being gay is a sin?

I am glad I am not living in Cali because that vote would have torn me apart.

Being black was not a sin in the Bible, but the Bible does speak directly against being gay. In church, we are often taught to love the person not the sin, but how far is loving the person without condoning what you know God speaks against?

Instead of bashing people who voted for it, ya’ll need to be open to understand why. And hint: it is more likely not because of hatred but because of their religious convictions.

Let’s have a more accurate dialogue people.

Able to leap tall what?

11/7/08, 08:59:am

Once upon a time we African Americans were chained and enslaved because the ruling culture refused to acknowledge that we were human. Therefore, we did not deserve any rights or freedoms. I absolutely refuse to allow anyone (Gay or not) to dictate how I vote on any issue, however I did vote against Prop 8. As far as I am concerned, it is not a situation that impacts me or my culture’s lives negatively, so why refuse to grant them the freedoms and rights that everyone deserves. I believe that GOD made all of us and HE does not make mistakes. No one should ever forget what happened when a people was allowed to dehumanize another race of people; it made it quite easy to enslave and even kill them without consequence.

Macho-in-Paris-France

11/7/08, 09:03:am

ANOTHER THING: American democraty is BAD. Why can they give statistics based on color of skin? I never heard that kind of statistics in Europa. Anything in usa is always related to racial origins. Very sad, and trying to create struggle between peoples.

HardCandy

11/7/08, 09:05:am

Its funny how black people always want to throw the bible in the mix when its convenient for them but yet they drink in excess, use drugs, screw everybody, and been divorced 4 times which all go against god but only the gay people are sinners gimme a *****ing break

Mannie1984

11/7/08, 09:05:am

This in my opinion came from the Black communities overall misguided view of homosexuals and there struggle. I am not gay but I have some really good friends who are and in my opinion there struggle to have equal rights does have some resemblance to the struggle that Blacks have for equal everything…Now I wont say that the Gay community has had it as rough as blacks used to but you gotta look at the situations as being at least slightly similar like when Gay bashings happen like the White kid who got beaten and tied up to a fence in the middle of a field that may not be a lynching for all to see but still an attack on someone for being different isn’t that what whites used to do to us?…They used to say that black where an inferior race well they used to say that being was a mental disorder…so all of that said i understand the comparison and I wish we would stop acting like we are the only group of people to be victimized.

Macho-in-Paris-France

11/7/08, 09:07:am

THANK BOSSIP. This post gives an opportunity to get an overview of some bossip readers mind.

Kathleen

11/7/08, 09:11:am

I don’t see why African-Americans should be ashamed of ourselves. The struggles that the black community have faced are more horrendous by leaps and bounds compared to what the homosexual community has.

Firstly, you can’t hide the fact that you are black. You can’t walk into a room and hide your blackness. Can’t come out of the closet black. How can a white homosexual even compare that with being plain old black? If a white man walks into Harvard, he’s seen as a white man first and if he’s is found out to be gay, then he is discriminated against. If a black man walks into Harvard, he’s discriminated first because he is black, and then if he’s found out to be gay, the discrimination is compounded upon.

It’s not the same. The Bible, Quran, and the Torah all condemn homosexuality as a sin, but not race as a sin.

B. Breezy

11/7/08, 09:12:am

It is a shame that the press looked to report a scapegoat in the black community. There are more white people in California than there are blacks. How many WHITE people voted to strike this measure down? The gay community should not try to compare their struggles in any way, shape, or form to the black people’s struggle in this country. They were not hung on trees for looking at a white woman. Stop!

Mannie1984

11/7/08, 09:16:am

I am so tired of people bringing Church into this situation why must your beliefs effect others? Why can’t people just live and let live? A gay couple getting married doesn’t in anyway effect ANY heterosexual couples marriage. And just so you know there are religions out there that dont teach intolerance like the institutions that use The Bible, Quran, and the Torah.

LaLa

11/7/08, 09:16:am

I agree with some of the people here who say that you can’t, you cannot, you cannot compare being black with being homosexual. You can’t take blacks to task because we “know how it feels to have our civil rights violated”. Here’s the deal I am a Christian, I am not a homophobe but I do believe that

1. It is a choice. A choice that just like any other sin you will be judged for by God.

2. Marriage is between man and woman, not two people of the same sex.

3. The person stating that they would have taught that the lifestyle is okay to children. In many communities they already are.

4. Our race doesn’t make us homophobic, hate makes you homophobic. You CANNOT be a Christian and hate homosexuals. God is LOVE and He teaches us to love everyone however we are to hate the sin, i.e. the lifestyle. And that includes the lifestyle of..adulterers (sp), liars, thieves, fornicators.

It is in the Bible and it is clearly written what is acceptable and what is not. So before you are so quick to accuse people of being homophobic or saying that you support something that is wrong check it out for yourself and be willing to take a stand.

Alex

11/7/08, 09:17:am

Black people and Latinos around the world have been poisoned by religion and the slave mentality. The law has NOTHING to do with religion, and discriminination should never be sanctioned by the law. While Barack is a great victory, we are still behind as black and brown people in supporting equal rights for EVERYONE under the law. The oppressed becomes the oppressor as usual. We don’t need more Jesus in this country, we need more education and a Supreme Court that rules on the LAW not on religious or personal beliefs.

Break the slave mentality.

Nyah Molineaux

11/7/08, 09:18:am

It is very interesting how my people voted for Prop 8 to deny my right to get married, but my people are not concerned for the fact that the majority of our women (70%) are not married. My people are not concerned that the majority of our children are being born outside of marriage.

If my people want to preserve marriage, we should focus on increasing marriage in the black community instead of taking away my right to marry who I want to marry.

Macho-in-Paris-France

11/7/08, 09:18:am

Mannie1984!!!!

Why are you trying to compare BEING BLACK and BEING GAY? No one opposes that GAY UNIONS take the same advantages as common married people. BLACK people never wanted to be WHITE, just the same RIGHTS. BUT something seems political, as in France, why GAY Community always wants the word MARRIAGE to call their UNION? In france that debate was struggling. Many French Senators have proposed others words than MARRIAGE with the SAME advantages BUT Gay Community wants always the word MARRIAGE, it looks their “needs” are more political than others, so Heterosexuals feel like Gay Community is always trying to show his “victim face” to “disturb” all religious communities.

Mannie1984

11/7/08, 09:19:am

Thank you Alex!!!!!!!

Kompton's Kutie {{Suivez la Faveur}}

11/7/08, 09:21:am

I voted “YES”. Why are they disappointed. Being of a different race and being gay are two different things. Think about it. I have no problem with gays, but damn that is not natural. Two gay people cannot reproduce naturally. The only people that supports that are gays. Sorry, but Get over it.

I'm Just Me-BLACK MEN.....YOU HAVE NO MORE EXCUSES

11/7/08, 09:22:am

My mom is gay (a lesbian) and is “married” or whatever it is in NY State (domestic something or other) since 1998. I am not necessarily for it, but if you gave people the choice to vote on it, you cannot *****ume to expect what people will choose. Do I think gay people should be able to get married: personally it doesn’t bother me, but why must the govt be involved in all of this is my question. Just like with abortion: it is not up the govt to tell me what to do and what is right for my body and life. I guess it was just a wake up call of how people really feel. Is it fair? Who is to say? But I guess you have to keep fighting for what you want.

Negro Please

11/7/08, 09:22:am

@no, seriously

m*****equality was also involved in the California prop 8 initiative too. Go figure, this white privilege is real!

Kompton's Kutie {{Suivez la Faveur}}

11/7/08, 09:23:am

And most gay people are flip flop from one person to another. Every week it’s a new “Boo”. I know, becuz I know a few.

Dumb ***** Black people

11/7/08, 09:24:am

Never in the history of these united states have rights been given and then taken back. Not to women’s right to vote not for the ability for inter racial marriagesnot for the end of slavery. never so this is extremely invalidating as a human, to be thought of so lowly that your rights can be taken away, because they choose to, why is that OK? why does no one understand the outrage in it. Martin said injustice for one is injustice for all and it breaks my heart to see this injustice, this sleight of hand be accepted. It’s not right , it’s not right and it’s not enough for “us” to fight… your straight friends, your family members have to fight too. in history, laws have been put into place because people who received nothing from those laws advocated for them. How is it OK to treat me as if my love, my life, is subject to m***** approval?? the m*****es. They’ve rarely if ever supported a multi-racial, lesbian, outspoken, poet, activist, human. I am not their poster child, why are they mine? I’m angry.

LYKCAN_D

11/7/08, 09:25:am

I have nothing against the gays and them having the same health benefits as married folks. I just don’t agree with calling it a marriage. They should call it a legal union or something. Hell, I don’t consider what a lot a straight folks call marriage. Marriage falls under religion, the legality of it is more for the government.

Mannie1984

11/7/08, 09:25:am

Macho-in-Paris-France

I compared the two because there are similiar cir*****stances. One group was oppressed simply for being a diffrent color. Now there is another group being told that they can’t have the same rights (if you change the name that is the same thing as that crap whites told us about being seperate but equal We all know how that turned out) as the last group. Marriage is only a word if you feel some kind of way about that word then you should evaluate yourself. Your marriage is nothing more than a contract!! That is the piont of a marriage to legally bind two people. Legally not spirtually that part comes from the people in the relationship.

Jazmine

11/7/08, 09:28:am

Why are they Snitching on Black people, voting is supposed to be private, why are they disclosing race, they may as well given names out.

Ten

11/7/08, 09:28:am

i guess because blk ppl are minorities, we should side with ppl that live a lifestyle most of us dont agree with… i really dont see how being black can remotely relate to be gay/ lesbian… As far a i know GLT community is quite multicultured. Try comming to Toronto and visit the gayberhood you’ll see that there many minorities and im guessing the percentage of those who define themselves as black is very small. I only wish we had the opportunity to vote on such an issue here. STOP USING BLACK PPL AS A SCAPEGOAT, WE DONT OWE YOU NOTHING, YOUR LIFESTYLE IS UR CHOICE, OUR SKIN COLOR IS NOT SOMETHING WE COULD CHOSE.

Angry Black Female

I'm Just Me-BLACK MEN.....YOU HAVE NO MORE EXCUSES

11/7/08, 09:28:am

I am not trying to be funny, but I always had this question. Is it me or like is being straight kind of being discriminated against. Straight people don’t have a parade, straight people don’t have a flag. I mean what is all of this. If you want rights the same, why are you creating all this stuff to make you different and stand out? Again I am not trying to be funny or a wise-***** or anything. I have just truly always wondered. And yes, I did ask my Mom and she didn’t really have an answer. So I am just wondering about that.

I'm Just Me-BLACK MEN.....YOU HAVE NO MORE EXCUSES

11/7/08, 09:29:am

@ Jazmine

I soooo agree with you.

Mannie1984

11/7/08, 09:29:am

Kompton’s Kutie

Seriously??? You know a few gays so you *****ume that they all sleep around thats like a white person saying i know some black men that dont support there families so that means that all of them are dead beat dads… come on folks why are black people so judgemental?

Dumb ***** Black people

11/7/08, 09:32:am

Never in the history of these united states have rights been given and then taken back.

Not to women’s right to vote

not for the ability for inter racial marriages

not for the end of slavery. never

so this is extremely invalidating as a human, to be thought of so lowly that your rights can be taken away, because they choose to, why is that OK?

why does no one understand the outrage in it.

Martin said injustice for one is injustice for all and it breaks my heart to see this injustice, this sleight of hand be accepted.

It’s not right , it’s not right and it’s not enough for “us” to fight… your straight friends, your family members have to fight too.

in history, laws have been put into place because people who received nothing from those laws advocated for them.

How is it OK to treat me as if my love, my life, is subject to m***** approval?? the m*****es.

They’ve rarely if ever supported a multi-racial, lesbian, outspoken, poet, activist, human. I am not their poster child, why are they mine? I’m angry.

what do you think would have happened if slavery was subject to vote- so *****in ignorant

Nyah Molineaux

11/7/08, 09:32:am

To the last person, the reason why there is a GLBT parades is to just announce that we are a visible part of the American society. We have parades to celebrate the struggles we as gay people have went through, but also to celebrate the triumphs we have went through.

Macho-in-Paris-France

11/7/08, 09:33:am

“voting is supposed to be private, why are they disclosing race, they may as well given names out.”

I never heard vote statistics BASED ON RACIAL ORIGINS in Europa. That’s something WRONG in usa.

JA

11/7/08, 09:34:am

The issue here is not whether the gay struggle compares to the black struggle, or if someone’s religious/moral beliefs tells them that gay marriage is wrong. The issue is that state constitutions have been changed based on religious beliefs.

Let’s all think back to elementary school when we learned about separation of church and state. This means that legislation will not be created or supported when based on religious views and that as a government we will not press religious view points on the citizens. We have also supported gender discrimination. Marriage is a legally binding CONTRACT. The beliefs you have about marriage is a personal thing, but to the government it is a contract, and legally binding contracts cannot discriminate on the basis of gender.

This issue isn’t about gay or straight, but plain discrimination. There are people out there that don’t believe in interracial relationships, so how would we feel about a proposition to define marriage as “one white man, one white woman,” “one black man, one black woman”, and so on, and so on…

Our rights as AMERICANS come in a package. We can’t sift through and decide who gets what. If we support discrimination of any kind, then yes as minorities we are being hypocritical. We have to be very careful in supporting legislation such as this…give them a foot and they’ll take a mile. Study your government and your history…make voting decisions based on knowledge and not your biased view points.

TM

11/7/08, 09:34:am

Wow

I can’t believe he said that. Being gay and being black can not be compared. Gay people as a whole were not denied basic medical care, an adequate education, entry into restaurants, jailed, hung, town/homes burned down, or had to use sep. water fountains, or work as shoe shiners or maids because you were gay. I think it’s time to find something else to compare being gay to.

D

11/7/08, 09:37:am

***** them *****s. I beat ***** ***** before I vote for that bull*****. I voted hell ***** no! Sacramento stand up!

yanib

11/7/08, 09:37:am

Equal rights for all. I don’t care who you sleep with or marry, if you like I love it. I do however have a problem with gays comparing themselves with African Americans. *****ody has to see you’re gay. The whole damn world can see I’m black. Blacks struggled for the right to EXIST without being hung from trees, hosed, having dogs turned on them, being drug behind trucks, etc. Gays live where they want, work where they want, eat where they want. This crap about having to hide who they are is just that…crap. In the workplace a certain standard is expected. No one has to know you’re flaming just as no one has to know I may be a freak. It isn’t relevant to that environment. While homophobia exists and is wrong, gay life in America no way compares to racism in America.

katt

11/7/08, 09:40:am

if homosexuals want to ignore scripture ( ie. homosexuality is is sin), then why is it so important to them to enter into marriage , which is a religious/chritian institution? I never got that, you want civil rights, then why isn’t a “civil union” enough. If you reject the teachings of the bible, why do you want one of the gifts God blesses a man and woman with. You can’t pick and choose what aspects of the bible you find interesting. I’m not saying that homosexuals shouldn’t be able to give informed consent for their partners or anything. They should have those right and have their union ( altough a sin) recognized. BUT DON’T CALL IT MARRIAGE. call it whatever type of union you want. But marriage is scared and holy. I’m not even going to get on the topic of black and homosexuals having the same struggles. thats an insult. And whoever brought up MLK….. stop it right there. He was a minister. and although he wouldn’t hate homosexuals ( I don’t, I hate thier sin. not the person), I think he’d be opposed to adjusting a christian institution to incorperate a sinful lifestyle.

mojojojo(Its my mama B-Day today..Great things are happening today!! YES WE CAN)

11/7/08, 09:40:am

I will be honest I didnt see anything for it…..i was so excitied about voting for Obama (YEA WHITEY) i didn’t even notice they had it there. I feel a lot of people didnt chose, not meaning they were against it. But i do not feel they should get married. I do feel they should be able to add their partner to their health Insurance, have them as beneficiaries for their life insurance, and the right to leave thier properity UPON DEATH. I feel marriage is between a man and a woman confess thier love to one another in front of God.

Macho-in-Paris-France

11/7/08, 09:40:am

“Marriage is only a word if you feel some kind of way about that word then you should evaluate yourself.”

OMG,You and your Gay community must evaluate yourself. In France, the Government proposed to give the SAME RIGHTS as others married couples, they refuse because they want ONLY the word MARRIAGE instead of other word like UNION,etc. After that they lost the majority of people who was behind them to claim their RIGHTS. The most important is the RIGHTS or the word? I think is the RIGHTS otherwise it is POLITICAL to disturb others communities and put the government in a struggle situation.

Macho-in-Paris-France

11/7/08, 09:40:am

“Marriage is only a word if you feel some kind of way about that word then you should evaluate yourself.”

OMG,You and your Gay community must evaluate yourself. In France, the Government proposed to give the SAME RIGHTS as others married couples, they refuse because they want ONLY the word MARRIAGE instead of other word like UNION,etc. After that they lost the majority of people who was behind them to claim their RIGHTS. The most important is the RIGHTS or the word? I think is the RIGHTS otherwise it is POLITICAL to disturb others communities and put the government in a struggle situation.

This I Know

11/7/08, 09:42:am

Here is a serious question.

For those of you who say that being black different from being gay, what do you say to a gay black person? Should they ignore their homosexuality for race pride or the other way around?

Wakeupeople

11/7/08, 09:43:am

Blacks and Latinos are held prisoners by their religion. This at times makes them make silly decisions!!

Kompton's Kutie {{Suivez la Faveur}}

11/7/08, 09:44:am

@Mannie1984

Ur right, that was a generalization, but them being hoes wasn’t the basis for me voting “Yes” on pro. 8. Is being gay natural? Hell, No.

Crazy ***** Rodney

11/7/08, 09:45:am

F a g g o t s

Macho-in-Paris-France

11/7/08, 09:45:am

BEING BLACK is different to BEING GAY. Dont mix. There are BLACK and GAY people.

Str8 Truth

11/7/08, 09:46:am

I will support civil unions. I will never call a union between same-sex couples a marriage. It isn’t a marriage, by basic definition alone.

Since the gays are going to insult minorities, don’t expect us to support you at all. Have fun fighting the white, conservative, fundamentals on your own.

Nicole

11/7/08, 09:46:am

I love my black peeps, my gay peeps, my Christain peeps…however I honestly don’t feel we should re-write or re-defined marriage. Marriage is for man and woman…PERIOD! However I do agree with civil unions or legal partnerships for same-sex.

Kompton's Kutie {{Suivez la Faveur}}

11/7/08, 09:46:am

Human rights and Sexual preference rights are not the same people. O well, they can’t get married. But, they can still be gay and be accepted in this world. Be happy for that.

Oshie (I like em brown, yellow, Puero Rican or Hatian, my name is Osh Kosh from the Zulu Nation)

11/7/08, 09:48:am

I am pro-Gay.

I need my gay friends otherwise I would not know what shoes to wear when we go out.

Oshie (I like em brown, yellow, Puero Rican or Hatian, my name is Osh Kosh from the Zulu Nation)

11/7/08, 09:48:am

Also, let the gay people get married. Wtf.

Ok, I’m done.

Katherine

11/7/08, 09:49:am

Being black isn’t a choice and I believe bbeing gay isnt a choice either..so therefore their is some connection..BUT i don’t think it is a black thing, I think it is a generational thing..I believe older people are more against than younger people because the younger age bracket is more open minded, with that said it will probably not be a big deal to be gay in married once the next generation comes into power

katt

11/7/08, 09:49:am

Blacks and Latinos are held prisoners by their religion. This at times makes them make silly decisions!!

LOL. held prisoner. no sweety I chose, enbrace , and am comforted by my religion. And since when is making decisions based on your morals silly? What do you incorperate into your decision making process? boy, some people swear they are soooo intellectual.

tiff

11/7/08, 09:50:am

I totally agree with jer…Black folks don’t have anything to do with whether or not same sex marriages are going to be allowed in california..Plus when you vote noone is sure if the color box was checked honestly. So if you are gay and want to get married check with God first and ask him if it’s ok before you blame everybody else!tyhing to t

Katherine

11/7/08, 09:50:am

And who says gays are accepted, hate crimes occur all the time. They face the same stereotypes that minorities face…people need to be way more accepting of others differences

This I Know

11/7/08, 09:50:am

Does anyone here consider being black AND gay to be a double minority? I understand the arguements that it is easier to discriminate against a black person over a gay person, unless the gay person is “stereotypically” (flaming) gay. But gays have a lot of crap to go through in this world too.

I can only imagine what it is like to be gay and black.

austin

11/7/08, 09:52:am

Let me do a short poll:

1.How many of you eat shellfish?

2.How many of you have ever mixed different fabrics? (jeans and a wool sweater? silk blouse and khakis?)

3.How many of you have ever eaten more than your fair share?

4.How many of you have slept in the same bed with your lover during menstruation?

5.How many of you had sex before marriage?

6.How many of you are still having sex before marriage?

You’ve all sinned before god then. why don’t we make *****ing shellfish illegal? why don’t we only sell one type of fabric? because it’d be ridiculous. Black people are blind to the fact that religion was used to weaken us. It gave us some savior to wait for to free us from slavery instead of rising up and rebelling. and we’re still clinging on to that outdated bull*****. OH, and stop acting all smug as if Dr. King wouldn’t have supported gay rights. His key adviser, Rustin, was openly gay.

AND ANOTHER THING: all the castrating black homophobia is the source of the “down low” phenomenon. these young men are scared *****less to actually be who they are.

Sasha

11/7/08, 09:54:am

it kills me that we can sit up here quoting the bible when we are some ones baby momma, video vixens and our communities are the one thats suffering from the undercover brothers and AIDS at all time highs. it kills me that people say that others choose to gay like its something glamourous u think they like reading ignorance like this. if you didnt choose to be straight and you have never been gay then who are you to say how they feel and what they do. you have no idea. and to the person talking about ignorig scripture it seems you read what you want to because the bible is a big book and says alot of things and society decides what they want to be and when. no one has the right to impose their religious beliefs on anyone. and unless your walking around as pure as an unborn child do us all a favor and shut the hell up. and to the “***** beater” i hope they lock you up.

Mock Rock Star(Mock Rock loves U)

11/7/08, 09:55:am

OK…where do I begin. California needs it’s ***** kicked. Not only is there the biggest landmark for homosexuals in the Castro area of San Francisco, but U can have a lover and be gay and still get benefits on your job (I mean it’s Cali). Why do some gays swear that being gay is like being black…it’s not your turn yet. Wait until U get a gay president…U’ll probably be on your 5th or 6th lover by then and sit the ***** down and shut the ***** up and enjoy this bliss we’re in now. U know if U step to a black person right now U’re going to either to ignored or beat the ***** up…the chose is yours. Continue your lifestyle, but don’t find fault in others when they don’t agree.

Black folks…who told yall to vote no with your black *****es…when someone no-matter how *****ed up they are are treated unfair we usually have sympathy on them…but yall California should have just left that ***** blank or give them the right…I would have left it blank because I’m going to do me regardless

Katherine

11/7/08, 09:55:am

Also if we’re going to talk about religion, then we should also ban divorce, since when you marry you swear “death do us part”…religion has nothing to do with this cuz then there should be a lot of things illegal that aren’t

Kompton's Kutie {{Suivez la Faveur}}

11/7/08, 09:55:am

@Katherine

I’m 27. My friends and family that are my age or younger voted the same. Even younger people, I know, that are in high school now and will be able to vote in the next 4 years also, do not approve gay marriages.

Katherine

11/7/08, 09:57:am

@Kompton Kutie, yes of course there will still be younger people against it, but if you look at who voted for what, overwhelmingly so younger voters voted to not p***** Prop 8, while older people overwhelmingly so voted to p***** it…but you don’t hear that in many news outlets because they’re so focused on how black and latinos voted…so with that said, it can actually tell us a lot about what the next generation feels about it

Vendetta

11/7/08, 09:58:am

Oshie (I like em brown, yellow, Puero Rican or Hatian, my name is Osh Kosh from the Zulu Nation)

Also, let the gay people get married. Wtf.

Ok, I’m done.

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Boy, Oshie your screen name reminds me of the Koreans during the LA riots with signs that say, “me soul brother too”! Sad!

Mr. FAMU

11/7/08, 09:58:am

“Homophobia is like racism and anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry in that it seeks to dehumanize a large group of people, to deny their humanity, their dignity and personhood.”

-Coretta Scott King

Mannie1984

11/7/08, 09:58:am

Rights are rights no matter who they are for…But I see that Black in this country don’t do much research I keep hearing about church and god when blacks where brought to this country and FORCED to learn Christianity its not like we as a people didn’t have our religions that have long been forgotten…and how color and sexuality are not equal struggles evidently being gay is unnatural and a sin and a whole bunch of other crap when I know that there is a good percentage of people on here spouting on about god that just rolled out of a coochie or off of a ***** so you can keep the religious argument because that is an argument of convenience…But I see this is a losing battle on here…But I will admit this was a very civilized discussion…

liladge

11/7/08, 09:59:am

i think its a good example to compare it. gays may not be hung by trees but how many have been bashed and killed in the streets for no reason at all just hate. and not to mention the constant humiliation we have to face on day to day. people laughing and staring at us and using the word “*****got” towards us. alot of us commit suicide because of the constant abuse. so what if somebody wants to marry somebody of the same sex. i dont say everybody should approve but they should also let other people be happy. i think its completely messed up especially for our people who’ve been opressed for so many years to opress another group of people because of there sexuality. but hey several decades ago blacks couldnt vote and now we got Barack. so who knows maybe one day we gays will be fine as well. but its up to these close minded *****holes to get over it.

Z

11/7/08, 10:01:am

Interesting since so many black men are gay anyway. hmmm

Me

11/7/08, 10:02:am

I’m gay and black. All the people who are saying you can’t equate the struggles of the two are only saying that because you don’t deal with it. Picture this: Imagine being hated and villified for something you can’t control.

This is about civil rights for everyone. Regardless if you don’t agree with it, how is it harming you? No one is imposing their lifestyle or sexual choice on you. We just want the same rights as everyone else.

As for cocobarbie, they can’t teach your kids any of that. That would fall under Sexual Education which is taught at very few schools and those schools are only high schools.

corperatecutieshayshay

11/7/08, 10:02:am

WOW I DONT KNOW WHERE T START ON THIS!! i HAVE READ A LOT OGF UNBIASED AND UNRESEARCHED OPINIONS ON THIS MATTER… ONE THING AS AFRICAN AMERICANS, THAT WE NEED TO DO IS SHOT DOWN OR PLAY DOWN ANOTHER RACES GENDER SEXUAL PREFERENCE OR RELIGION. ***** THAT YALL WE ALL KNOW BETTER, WE KNOW WE HAD IT THE WORST, AND WE KNOW WE ARE THE STRONGEST, SO DONT SIT ON HERE AND SAY ONE PERSONS STRIGGLE IS MORE OR LESS VALID THAN ANOTHER.. HELL I HAVE SEEN COWBOYS GET IT FOR BEING GAY IN IOWA WHERE I GREW UP I HAVE SEEN RACE CRIMES THAT WERE COMMITTED AGAINST GAYS THAT WERE JUST AS BAD, I REMEBER THE TRUE STORY OF GWEN ARAYO WHO WAS BORN A BOY BUT AT THE AGE OF 5 KNEW SHE WAS A GIRL AND GOT HER ***** BEAT AND HARRASED AND TEASED EVERYDAY BECAUSE OF IT… SHE ALSO LOST HER LIFE AT THE AGE OF 17 WHEN SOME SCHOOL BOYS KILLED HER AND SET HER ON FIRE WHILE SHE WAS ALIVE, SO ALL OF US HAVE HAD WE JUST 1 OF THE WORST BECAUSE IN MY OPINION THE JEWS TOOK IT WORST THAN US, WE WERE MADE SLAVES… THEY WERE PUT IN A GAS CHAMBER WOMEN MEN AND BABIES, NO CHOICE AT ALL, THEY DIDNT GET A CHOICE TO BE M*****TAS SLAVE, THEY WERE AUTOMATICLLY KILLED WITH THERE FAMILIES ALL AT ONCE… SO WE AS AFRICAN AMERICANS SHOULD UNDERSTAND THESE DISCRIMINATIONS, NO MATTER HOW BIG OR HOW SMALL!!! IT ALL STARTED WITH US BUT THAT SHOULDNT GIVE US THAT RIGJHT TO PLAY DOWN SOMEONE ELSES CRIME OF DISCREIMINATION, WHETHER ITS WRONG OR RIGHT…..

AND MARRIAGE IS WHEN A MAN CAN MARRY MORE THAN 1 WOMAN ITS CALLED POLYGAMY AND ITS LEGAL IN THE MOST PART OF AFRICA AND MANY OTHER COUNTRYS, IT MIGHT NOT BE MARRIAGE IN THE US BUT IN OTHER PARTS OF THE WORLD ITS THERE CULTURE AND HOW THEY LIVE THERE LIVES AND WE HAVE NO RIGHT TO CRITISIZE THAT AND WE ALL SHOULD KNOW BETTER

Trishaann

11/7/08, 10:02:am

“***** what they talkin bout!!! Anyone that compares the civil rights movement and the struggle blacks have had to go thru for hundreds of years to this Gay marriage ***** is ignorant as hell. ***** *****es me off forreal, and I’ll tell a gay motha*****a in a minute! It’s NO comparison!!!”

100% CO SIGN

Blacks didn’t choose the color of our skin, we were born that way. Gays chose to be gay God did not creat a gay person, he is against it why would he make something he is against? They just chose to be that way.

Only Repectable Negros

11/7/08, 10:02:am

People, please

This issue of marriage is generational and not necessarily racial. I predict that within the next 10-15 years same sex marriage will be legal nationwide.

Why you ask?

Statistics show that the younger your are, the more likely you support gay rights, including marriage, adoption and the right to not be fired from a job for being gay. More high schools and colleges have gay/straight alliances today. Gays are coming out more often and at younger ages these days. Also, gays are all over pop culture (the Bravo network, anyone).

So as the years go on and younger, more open-minded people become of voting age, there will be some major changes in this country regarding gay rights, whether you like it or not.

Mr. FAMU

11/7/08, 10:03:am

Homophobia is like racism and anti-Semitism and other forms of bigotry in that it seeks to dehumanize a large group of people, to deny their humanity, their dignity and personhood.

Coretta Scott King

persona

11/7/08, 10:03:am

Come on black people, do better. You can not agree with the lifestyle AND vote for equal rights. In other words, it’s not about YOU. It’s about wanting what’s right for all –regardless of your “opinion.”

Katherine

11/7/08, 10:06:am

Who says that gays chose to be gay? Unless your gay how do you know? I guess us black people should skin lighteners so we can look whiter, since some people may say being black is a choice since we have that option…SMH

Jessica

11/7/08, 10:09:am

I think goes back to Black and latin religious beliefs. Our communities have always been very close to our God because of the struggles and hardships we’ve faced in history for being non-white. Even american music was shaped upon our pslams and hymns in Church our heart and souls lamented for better days.

Homosexuals think we should know how they feel because they feel like a minority in that they fall in love with members of the same sex.

Although most of my friends agree with me that we don’t care what people do behind closed doors I cannot say so much for our God.

In the bible it describes homosexuality as an abomination to God so until it is proven that being gay is as genetic as being black or latino then people in our minority community will have a problem supporting it.

Leviticus 18:22-23

22(T) You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination. 23(U) And you shall not lie with any animal and so make yourself unclean with it, neither shall any woman give herself to an animal to lie with it: it is(V) perversion.

I'm Just Me-BLACK MEN.....YOU HAVE NO MORE EXCUSES

11/7/08, 10:09:am

@ Nyah

Thank you.

Me

11/7/08, 10:11:am

Thank you, Katherine. I was about to ask that. It is so ignorant. Damn, it’s about basic civil rights. Gay/Black/Straight aside….we’re all human.

Able to leap tall what?

11/7/08, 10:11:am

@ Jessica – Thank you!

M

11/7/08, 10:11:am

I have said my piece and after reading the posts, I have come to the conclusion. I love gay people, in fact, I live in what the city coins as the gay part of the town. But, I do not love their lifestyle. I may be black, but being black is in no way related to being gay! I think that if there could be another legislation that would give these people the rights that they are wanting when they are together than more power to them. But to say, let’s call a gay union a marriage, hell no! Marriage is something that is accepted under God. God does not condone gay unions! But more power to them in terms of getting whatever governmental benefits that they want.

In the end, WE ALL are going to be judged by God! I am not going to say that I am a perfect Christian, but I am not going to stand by something I think is not right. If I sin, which I ain’t going to lie I have a lot, I ask for forgiveness and do not do that sin again. With the gay population, their union is a sin and they are not asking for forgiveness. They want to live in that sin.

I don’t condone the sin, but I love the people and will continue to love the people as I pray for them! They are my brothers and sisters of this world so civil rights, yes, but no to gay marriage.

yanib

11/7/08, 10:11:am

@Nyah Molineaux…I respectfully ask why does your sexual proclivity have to be visible? Mine isn’t. Your sexual orientation is just that….yours. Mind you I am in no way advocating that gay/lesbians “hide”, but doesn’t flaunting it create part of the problems gay/lesbians have in the community? I will say again, I am for equal rights for all people and am in no way homophobic and agree with the JA on the separation of church and state.

janet2gees

11/7/08, 10:11:am

***** gays and lesbians, I voted Yes, its bad enough that young kids are exposed to dirty things like that. Read the bible, God created man and women and it should be like that for the rest of our lives

Katherine

11/7/08, 10:14:am

@Only Respectable Negro, exactly, that’s what people are not understanding..the next generation is generally always more open minded than the last..that’s why i know without a doubt gay people will get all their rights at some point

That's Authentic Creole Baby

11/7/08, 10:15:am

ferries

Jessica

11/7/08, 10:17:am

Again I personally don’t care nor do I have an opinion or judgement to cast against anyone. However the fear of God is within me and the possibility of a heaven and hell or a judgement day all give me major goosebumps.

The description of the lake of fire and eternity are something I cannot fully comprehend and this belief still exists in the Black and Latino communities.

So although I don’t care until someone can prove that God doesn’t exist or that the words in the bible are truly uninspired i will always have my doubts about considering the behavior acceptable to God.

If it were up to me everyone would have the freedom to love whomever they choose but when it comes to religion it is not up to me. Neither is saving souls on judgement day, all I can do is work out my own salvation and if my vote is to be judged by God then may it be according to what is written and not according to my opinion.

Me

11/7/08, 10:18:am

This *****es me off. It has nothing to do with my race, I’m a *****ing citizen of the United States. I work and have to pay taxes just like everyone else. So I’m good enough for you to step in and take my money yet I can’t be afforded the same rights? This is stupid.

Hannibal

11/7/08, 10:18:am

HOMO ***** *****S…

jonjon23

11/7/08, 10:20:am

There is no possible way you can compare the struggles that black people go through to what homosexuals go through. You could isolate a few incidences where there was violence against a person because they were gay, but there are thousands of racial hate crimes. We were not even considered human and by many, we are still hated. We deal with this on an everyday basis. We were terrorized, killed, beaten, and treated like subhumans for many years and had to fight to get to this point–even though a lot of racism still exists. Gay people answer this: If a gay white man and a straight black man walked through a neighborhood of drunk rowdy skinheads at 2 a.m., which one would more likely walk away unharmed? The only thing the gay would need to do is ‘act’ straight and he would make it. We are who we are, and racists don’t judge us on our character–only on our ancestry.

corperatecutieshayshay

11/7/08, 10:20:am

SORRY ABOUT TYPOS I WAS IN A RUSH TO GO ON A CIGARRETTE BREAK

HELLO BOSSIP FAM

GOOD MARNING TO ALL!!!!

Aunt Viv

11/7/08, 10:20:am

I thought that in light of Obama’s historic win that there would be more equality for homosexuals who wish to legally marry. The decision is unfortunate.

Valenne

11/7/08, 10:22:am

i know the struggle of black people have nothing to do with what gays are experiencing! but please, *****ody choose to be gay! some people just are gay and most gay i know said that they realize they like boy or girls when they were kids! just like a boy start to like girl and *****ody ever teach him to like girls! its natural meaning, its not a choice! now some gay decide to accept what they are, some refuse and live on the downlow, have kids and all, but imagine how you feel! i will be damn if i marry a guy that secretly love to get effed in the *****! hell naw! just for us woman, let the gay live openly so we don’t have to deal with those down low men! thanks

kevwebb "I'm so FLY I gotta shop at the SKY mall!!"

11/7/08, 10:22:am

@ Serious

You’re right…I hate it when homo’s compare their plight to that of the Afro-American community. It’s not even close. Besides…homosexuality is morally wrong.

***** gays, lesbians, and the rest of them…

Katherine

11/7/08, 10:24:am

@Me, I feel gay people shouldn’t have to pay taxes or should get a tax break…If they can’t marry, then why should they pay the same amount of everyone else..and since when is marry sacred. Us straight people have taken marriage forgranted for years..we divorce, cheat, lie, separate…honestly we don’t really respect about marriage, because they way we treat it has refleccted that..but all of a sudden we’re acting like we do care..get the f*ck outta her with that moral sh*t

shocked and frustrated

11/7/08, 10:25:am

Come on people!!! Did you forgot Matthew Shepherd who was dragged behind a car and then hung on a fence for his sexual identity. You might believe that homosexuality is a “choice,” it is not! Research proves that. We know what it’s like to feel devalued and discriminated against for being who we are. I would have expected more sensitivity from our community with regard to that issue. I’m ashamed of our community for supporting this measure that is based on fear and homophobia.

yanib

11/7/08, 10:26:am

“since some people may say being black is a choice since we have that option”

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WTF? Let me say it again…WTF? How in the world…I’m stuttering. Even if there were some validity to that piece inanity, lightening your skin would not make you not black.

Me

11/7/08, 10:28:am

corperatecutieshayshay, it doesn’t matter. LOL. You had a valid and great point and you still got it across.

The whole black/gay plight. Very different but both examples of how ignorance is used to keep a group of people down. The difference is the whole slavery black oppression was done on a major level; There’s thousands of men, women, kids who are killed each year because of hate/ignorance.

corperatecutieshayshay

11/7/08, 10:30:am

@ AUNT VIV

THANKS FOR SAYING THAT

IN LIGHT OF THE HISTORY WE JUST MADE WE ARE STILL ON HERE TRYING TO DECLARE WHATS MORAL AND WHATS NOT.. WE ARENT GOD AND THATS NOT OUR CHOICE… PERIOD… IF YOU DONT LIKE GAYS,,,, EASY DONT BE GAY BUT DONT COME ON HER TRYING TO MAKE EXCUSES FOR YOUR RATIONALIZATIONS

Me

11/7/08, 10:31:am

To all the people who want to “protect” marriage: How would this effect you? Would gays getting married effect your marriage?

Look at the divorce rate; the ammount of annulments. No one cares about the sanctity of marriage.

Katherine

11/7/08, 10:32:am

@yanib, yeah there is a lot of validity to that point. While skin lighteners wouldnt make me or you white, it would make us lighter(whiter). Promoting religion and taking away their rights isn’t going to make them not gay, it’s not a choice where if you inflict restrictions into their life all of a sudden they will turn straight.

HardCandy

11/7/08, 10:33:am

@ Austin …THANK YOU since we have so many well versed bible thumpers on here THAT LOVE TO TELL ME WHAT IM GOING TO HELL FOR

NJBAP

11/7/08, 10:34:am

The two are absolutely NOTHING alike! I’m sick and tired of people comparing the Black Civil Rights Mvmt. to Homosexuality!

corperatecutieshayshay

11/7/08, 10:35:am

@ KEV WEBBB

WELL I HOPE YOU DONT HAVE ANYTHING TO SAY WHEN PEOPLE SAY

***** BLACKS AND SPICKS… I WOULD HOPE WHEN OR IF YOU HEARD ANOTHER RACE SAYING THOSES THINGS ABOUT US YOU WOULD JUST TURN YOUR HEAD THEN… DONT BE A HIPOCRITE

Oshie (I like em brown, yellow, Puero Rican or Hatian, my name is Osh Kosh from the Zulu Nation)

11/7/08, 10:35:am

@ Jessica: The Bible also says that if a woman is menstruating she is unclean and should go be by herself for 7 days, it also says that we are to sacrifice animals on the Sabbath day, and that you are to LOVE THY NEIGHBOR.

Many things in the Bible were written by MEN not GOD for the benefit of the MEN who wrote it. I suggest you re-read your Bible and then take a few history lessons to supplement your religious superstitions. Who cares if gay people get married. Its not hurting you…. get over it.

Black Fist

11/7/08, 10:35:am

BUN BOTTY BWOY!

Oshie (I like em brown, yellow, Puero Rican or Hatian, my name is Osh Kosh from the Zulu Nation)

11/7/08, 10:36:am

Are we forgetting that there are GAY people who are also BLACK???

Black Fist

11/7/08, 10:36:am

FIRE BUN BOTTY BWOY!

Me

11/7/08, 10:37:am

Oshie, people don’t care. This doesn’t effect them so they don’t care.

KeepnitReal

11/7/08, 10:39:am

How can a homosexual compare themselves with a black person? It’s impossible. In the bible God destroyed the cities of Sodom and Goamorah because of homosexuality. God he is not prejudice against any rac, but he does HATE homosexuality. I’m sorry, but that’s just reality so accept it and move on!!!!!

98' HIDE & GO GET IT CHAMPION...

11/7/08, 10:39:am

SAY BLACKS ARE AGINST ALL MARRIAGES…………………………………..

MADAM BUTTERFLY

11/7/08, 10:39:am

I DON’T THINK HOMOSEXUALS SHOULD COMPARE THEIR STRUGGLE WITH THOSE OF BLACK DURING THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT. EVERY STRUGGLE IS DIFFERENT. BUT WITH THAT SAID WHY SHOULDN’T THEY BE ALLOWED TO GET MARRIED. THEM GETTING THE RIGHT TO GET MARRIED IS NOT GOING TO AFFECT THE “SAINTY” OF CHRISTIAN MARRAGE.

corperatecutieshayshay

11/7/08, 10:39:am

IM TRULY DISAPPOINTED IN ALOT OF US ON THIS ISSUE, I JUST DONT CONDONE PUTTING STIPULATIONS ON ANY MINORITY, GAY BLACK WHITE CRIPPLE OR NON BELIEVERS OF GOD…. LIKE BARACK SAYS WE STILL HAVE A LONG WAY TO GO

J0EY BISHOP

11/7/08, 10:40:am

rootie tootie fresh n frootie!

Mr. FAMU

11/7/08, 10:40:am

Random History Fact:

Martin Luther Kings closest adviser was an openly gay black male. The chief architect of the civil rights movement.

In closing: Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice well… everywhere!

~MahoganyGyrl (sorry Im from Brooklyn)~

11/7/08, 10:40:am

~*You know what…….Is it proven that Gay/Lesbians are born that way??? STOP IT! You know damn well that that kind of Lifesstyle is a chose!!!! I see folk asking ‘Why would anyone chose to be Gay/Lesbian?” I honestly feel because something TERRIBLE happened to “You” like being molested by a a realtive (Male Or Female), Or being Raped, or even being around someone who is already confused brought out this sickening FAD! Anyway as a parent I DONT want my child being brought to think that this kind of confused behavior is acceptable. No I will not sit here and say I’m a saint. That I am not, but Wrong is wrong and Right is always right. Who am I to judge NO ONE. This is only my opinion. I have a few relatives that are gay/lesbian. I don’t judge them but they WILL NEVER be around my child. I’m not sorry I just don’t condone this sad lyfestyle. I feel the same way about Racist!*~

Oshie (I like em brown, yellow, Puero Rican or Hatian, my name is Osh Kosh from the Zulu Nation)

11/7/08, 10:40:am

@ Me: Once people get over their superstitious beliefs they WILL care. And they WILL get over them… that’s what God is about: LOVE. Not some ancient book and how you can use it to oppress people.

Grrr….

Me

11/7/08, 10:40:am

Keppnitreal, ya’ll kill me with these old ***** views. What did God say of Black people in the bible? Times are different. You cannot use the bible to live in this day and time.

Katherine

11/7/08, 10:43:am

@Me, exactly, unless it directly affects them or someone they love/care about..they don’t care.

Oshie (I like em brown, yellow, Puero Rican or Hatian, my name is Osh Kosh from the Zulu Nation)

11/7/08, 10:43:am

I think what one gay person said out of pocket (and out of context) is being used as a quote here to stir up people’s emotions.

Who the hell is F. Damion, and why do you care what he thinks? He is not the amb*****ador for gay people!

blu_les

11/7/08, 10:44:am

People:

As a lesbian woman, you have to consider the exactly what the gay community are trying to express as far as civil rights. African Americans endured extremely severe oppression, segragation, racism, physical *****ault, and psychological abuse. The iggnorance of a people that believe their skin color automatically made them pure and superior to all others, particularly blacks. This iggnorance also allowed them to justify their actions.

Aunt Viv

11/7/08, 10:44:am

Thanks corpcutieshayshay. Happy Friday!

Me

11/7/08, 10:45:am

Thank you, blu_les.

The same way straight people think their sexual preference makes them superior to all others.

Po'Sha

11/7/08, 10:45:am

I love people regardless of sexual orientation my problem is the hypocrisy, so quickly said to be had by Christians, is disgustingly evident in the GLBT community. Example; you shove your beliefs down everyone’s throat with the parades yet hate on other people who do the same. Why is that? And the GLBT community has the audacity to demand the support of Miniorities

Po'Sha

11/7/08, 10:48:am

but where are they when faced with issues of racism. I didn’t see them issuing statements when that young man was gun down in NY. STOP THE HYPOCRISY!

jojo

11/7/08, 10:50:am

nice work, bossip. create division between people.

big_watcher

11/7/08, 10:52:am

As a straight guy I don’t ever remember choosing to be straight. I *****ume this is the case for everyone else.

I think black gays have alot of work to do in order to change our community. After all the whites are more tolerant due the hard work that the white gays put in.

So until our gay sisters & brothers stop hiding and cowering and challenge these prejudices within the communities, nothing is going to change.

Lovely One

11/7/08, 10:52:am

IMO, marriage has been defined in the Bible as “a holy matrimony” of course between a man and woman. If the LBGT community were allowed to be married, would that be merging the lines of church and state on their (LBGT) behalf? Just a thought.

P

11/7/08, 10:54:am

You’re not going to convince ignorant people. this is an issue that a well-informed courts will have to decide on, and Obama’s court will knock it down easily.

Redd Tony aka Earth Sign "When everybody thinks alike, *****ody is really thinking"

11/7/08, 10:57:am

I dont know what to say about this really, I want more research to see if homosexuality is a product of nature or nurture….

Homosexuals have been on this earth since the beginning of time, I say let them do what they please because they are human beings as well, but there is a line of respect that comes with this lifestyle…ioono, I really dont know what to say about this subject….

P

11/7/08, 10:58:am

@Lovely One

Marriage is already ‘merged’ with the state, because it gives legal rights. The problem with that is, religious people are trying to hold on to the ‘non-religious’ aspect of it too. the Supreme court will strike these laws down on that basis.

corperatecutieshayshay

11/7/08, 10:58:am

THATS WHAT WE ALL NEED TO REALIZE WE HAVE A WONDERFUL NEW PRESIDNET OF THE US AND I TRULY BELIEVE THIS ISSUE WILL BE DEALT WITH BY HIM

Anonymous3 - the fire sign

11/7/08, 11:01:am

if you believe in the bible and heck science for that matter the man’s body specifically genitalia is designed to fit with the femail genitalia….the bible also is specific about same sex relationships…period….what bothers me is people who choose to accept certain aspects of religion….while refusing to deal with the other aspects….either way….I have my views but in the end I can only answer for my life not someone else’s I still fill strongly that the struggle of the “Black Man” and the struggle of those in the gay community are not the same

Otis The Security Guard

11/7/08, 11:05:am

*STATIC* This is Officer Otis, I repeat, this is Officer Otis. The gays are rioting, send backup immediately! Over. *STATIC*

Redd Tony aka Earth Sign "When everybody thinks alike, *****ody is really thinking"

11/7/08, 11:06:am

I do think its wrong for homosexuals to adopt kids though, because what example are they setting for the children?

Afiya - THIS IS A BRAND NEW DAY...WE DOIN' IT IN A BRAND NEW WAY...CLIMB ABOARD!

11/7/08, 11:07:am

I’m glad the Proposition p*****ed…that gay ***** is getting outta hand…and it ain’t right!

Astropimp

11/7/08, 11:07:am

This is sad! What if interracial marriage was put up for a vote in the 60’s? It would be banned. Basic human rights should not be voted on! We should be ashamed of ourselves. The Black church LOVES to have gay people in the choir. But they condemn their lifestyle. SAD! The church has created this atmosphere that produces DOWN LOW Black males and violence against gays. This is ridiculous.

There are children without families (mostly Black) caught up ion the foster care system. They need families! I’m beside myself!

Ran

11/7/08, 11:07:am

They should just draft another proposal… Let there be a legal Union for homosexuals under the law-however it should Not be under religion.

Phlegm

11/7/08, 11:07:am

I get the impression that you blacks & mexicans primarily voted Yes on Prop. 8 because you feel the gays are encroaching on your preconceived notion that you’re the only ones who have the monopoly on Civil Rights.

Well news flash! Gays pay taxes, work, love and worship the same God as you do. It’s like i said before, You and the Mexicans all have a bad case of the ***** SIMPLES.

Oshie (I like em brown, yellow, Puero Rican or Hatian, my name is Osh Kosh from the Zulu Nation)

11/7/08, 11:07:am

@ jojo: EXACTLY.

Ran

11/7/08, 11:09:am

problem solved

Oshie (I like em brown, yellow, Puero Rican or Hatian, my name is Osh Kosh from the Zulu Nation)

11/7/08, 11:10:am

What is wrong with gay people adopting children???

Is it a better example for the children to have no parents, or one, or an abusive parent, or parents that fight all the time? I know plenty of perfectly stable people who were raised by same saex couples. Probably more stable then most of the “traditionally raised” people I know. SMA.

Phlegm

11/7/08, 11:10:am

Afiya – THIS IS A BRAND NEW DAY…WE DOIN’ IT IN A BRAND NEW WAY…CLIMB ABOARD!

I’m glad the Proposition p*****ed…that gay ***** is getting outta hand…and it ain’t right!

The rednecks say the same thing in regards to you blacks and mexicans, but i guess the irony (as usual) has flown over your head.

Ran

11/7/08, 11:11:am

Phlegm-

I don’t see why these two minority groups are taking the blame— The majority WHITE mostly REPUBLICANS vote heavily against this!!!!!!

Phlegm

11/7/08, 11:14:am

Redd Tony aka Earth Sign “When everybody thinks alike, *****ody is really thinking”

I do think its wrong for homosexuals to adopt kids though, because what example are they setting for the children?

You mean like the nurturing and loving example/environment that Julia Hudson and William Balfour set for Julian Hudson?

Afiya - THIS IS A BRAND NEW DAY...WE DOIN' IT IN A BRAND NEW WAY...CLIMB ABOARD!

11/7/08, 11:15:am

I’m all for partnership…but marriage? NOPE ain’t feelin’ it!

Ran

11/7/08, 11:15:am

Phlegm-

The irony?? People voted based on their religious upbringing— and due to that, that’s why the proposition did not p*****— now tell me where in the bible does it discriminate against color?? Exactly- but it does discriminate against homosexuality–so therefore there is no irony

Black

11/7/08, 11:17:am

OK I guess there are no people from Cali on bossip this morning. Californians voted on this prop 4 years ago….and it didnt p*****. The supreme court overturned what the people voted on. So we had to vote again and it didnt p***** again……and the Gay/lesbian community has already started procedures to take it back to the supreme court. They have already vowed to keep on fighting.

You know in california if a gay or lesbian couple goes to a church and asks for that church to marry them… and the church of course not believing in the homosexual lifestyle refuses them…they sue the church and get paid. This prop isnt about hate.

The gay and lesbian community can have a civil union and get medical benefits for their spouses…and if not they can take legal action.

This is about the war that the gay and lesbian community is trying to wage against organized religion that doesnt accept them. Ask some black homosexuals how they are treated by white homosexuals….better yet look at some of the gay counsels that have been established and find some people of color on it?

ChineseChickenWingz

11/7/08, 11:17:am

#1 i think ppl were confused on the prop 8 question and didnt know which way to vote lol

#2 i dont know why ANYONE would want to get married the ***** only ends in divorce

Exxon300

11/7/08, 11:20:am

It ain’t no comparison nor is it the same *****. This particular group is just riding on the coatail of the civil rights movement. *****, go out and march, protest and bring a leader out to represent just like african americans did in the sixties. *****, talking about being the same, I bet some of the homosexual relatives hung and beat black americans.

Afiya - THIS IS A BRAND NEW DAY...WE DOIN' IT IN A BRAND NEW WAY...CLIMB ABOARD!

11/7/08, 11:21:am

@Phlegm

You must be gay and want to justify your demons…I’m not the one sweetie…you feel how you feel and I feel how I feel…feel me?

Nothing you can say will change my mind…NOTHING!

And don’t change this from apples into oranges…it is what it is…WRONG…

No two same sex people should be thinking about marriage or even having sex…but if that’s what you do then do you!

Phlegm

11/7/08, 11:23:am

Ran

Because, i’m on presently on bossip and they are the ones who are posting these comments. If i was on TMZ or Perez Hilton, i would be addressing them.

The exit polls has shown that Prop. 8 p*****ed due to the blacks and mexicans (for the first time) actually taking part in the political process by showing up and voting for Obama. Prop 8 probably wouldn’t have p*****ed if not for the simple-minded and archaic thinking of those two groups who was swayed by those malicious ads funded by the Mormon Church and other right wing religious zealots.

sepia830

11/7/08, 11:25:am

As someone who voted yes on Prop 8, I did so not because I don’t want gay people to be married (hell, I made a mockery of the institution myself), but because I didn’t appreciate that the previous vote was overturned. When the people vote on something, it should stick. *****ody overturned the vote to ban affirmative action.

Phlegm

11/7/08, 11:26:am

Ran

Who wrote the bible?

Astropimp

11/7/08, 11:27:am

Marriage violates the separation of church & state. We should ALL have civil unions & leave it up to individual churches to decide on marriage.

This is not an *****ault on the church by gays. They just want basic rights for them & their partners.

sepia830

11/7/08, 11:27:am

And as a side note: I am sick of gay people trying to compare their struggle with that of African-Americans. You chose to be gay, black people were born black. When applying for a job, a gay person can hide the fact that he/she is gay, but a black person cannot hide his skin color. See the difference?

Afiya - THIS IS A BRAND NEW DAY...WE DOIN' IT IN A BRAND NEW WAY...CLIMB ABOARD!

11/7/08, 11:28:am

@CCW

ALL MARRIAGES DO NOT END IN DIVORCE…IDIOT…go read a book!

BB

11/7/08, 11:29:am

@ Redd Tony aka Earth Sign

You’re my boy and all but gays don’t have sex in front of their kids, no more that straight people do, or take them to the club trolling for men. I’ve seen teenage mothers in bklyn smoking with their infants strapped to their chests, see where I’m going.

I’m black and gay,but I’m considered very masculine and I’m in a 5-year relationship with another equally masculine dude. I say all that to say that stereotypes and religion are fuelling alot of these heated discussions.

Let me clear up a few myths: To that idiot that posted earlier (from Bklyn)

1. Most gay men and women were not molested or seduced by a family member or friend into becoming gay.

2. We are not pedophiles, (She mentioned not letting them near her children)we like men not children.

3. I knew that I was gay at 7, yes 7. I was that self-aware, but I also knew that i had to keep that realization to myself.

4. Everyone on here waving the bible as justification for hateful action, ask youself, when was the last time I did something that little baby Jesus would be proud of?

I’ll close with this, why would I choose to be black and gay. It’s not so much about marriage but the rights that marriage affords. My boyfriend had to lie and say he was my cousin when I went to the hospital to have my tonsils removed. We all want our relationships to matter and be recognized, is that too much to ask?

Phlegm

11/7/08, 11:29:am

You people are confused. The Supreme Court’s primary function is to uphold the Constitution, not religious or moral beliefs.

They overturned the initial Prosposition banning gay marriage due to its’ unconstitutional merits.

Haven’t you idiots ever heard of SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE?

Oshie (I like em brown, yellow, Puero Rican or Hatian, my name is Osh Kosh from the Zulu Nation)

11/7/08, 11:30:am

Homosexuality and Black people are not mutually exclusive and I think the MAJORITY of minority groups need to get over their superstitious beliefs and come together.

Again, this is one out-of-pocket comment made by some *****ody, served up to you here by Bossip to incite hateful comments. Because the more hits this site gets, the more money they make. Period.

shawn

11/7/08, 11:31:am

Listen first off….half of you on here and not on here arent even eduacated on the civil rights movement or wary of it enough to know that the concepts are the same. Do you know that during the harlem renaissance which is one of the most defining moment in black history was sparked by gay poets and performers that were on the dl from family. Homosexuality has been around and has been a concern for more than we were all born. We may not have been forced to work in fields like my fellow ancestors, but just like my fellow ancestors, we endure the same prosecution and ignorance that my ancestors did. By calling someone homo, *****, or queer (which by deffinition have nothing to do with homosexuality) you offend what our country as a whole grew from. We have just elected a black president and that president is for gay marriage. I actually got to meet him last summer and he is supporting gay marriage on a belief that it’s only right. I would be more okay if it was other races like asian or white but they show more love than black people. Im a black gay man and i feel ashamed that my fellow african americans cant respect there race as a whole because of a preference. I was born this way and will always be this way. All i want is to be respected by my people. I have my family and friends that love me to death but in the end i can never feel whole if MY PEOPLE continue to hurt me. This is a new day and a new age; old beliefs are now old beliefs look at the president of the united states damnit!!! we have grown as a whole. Especially black men!! half of the black population of men are either bi or gay anyway so lets cut that out. Focus on the murderers and the rappers, or maybe even your own life. I think everyone deserves the right to LIVE y should you me or the next person have a say so in how people live thier lives.. We say its time for change….but are we really changing??????

mari

11/7/08, 11:31:am

So if you didn’t want gay people to get married, why ELSE would you vote yes? everyone who voted YES are just ignorant on the prop itself. We are not advocating homosexuality, we are allowing them to have rights like every other American in this country. If two men or two women are together for many years and lets say one p*****es away, the partner has no claim to the life they spent building together! Do you think thats fair? Yes as minorities the Latinos and Blacks should be ashamed of themselves. The gays shouldn’t have to suffer because of their homophobia.

Ran

11/7/08, 11:31:am

A legal Union would do, bind by laws of the State– however, to mess up religion by getting married under God, causes upheaval among MANY!

Anthony

11/7/08, 11:31:am

I am an African-American man who happens to be gay. I’ve seen so much hate and misinformation in this comment section that I was hesitant to submit this comment but, decided I would give it a try.

First, regarding the *****ertion that individuals choose to live as homosexuals; I would like to *****ure you that you haven’t suffered the pain and indignities that I have over several decades of trying to live “straight” in an unsuccessful attempt not to “choose” to live as a gay man. If this was a choice, I *****ure you I would have chosen differently. The lies, the self-hate,the self-denial, the pain caused to women who you try to date and to whom you must lie, the shame, the thoughts of suicide, the nasty comments from those who make them in your presence, unaware that they are speaking about you. The hostility that I see in some comments is partly the reason that so many black men who are gay hide their true sexual orientation, live on the “down low” and end up infecting many black women with the deadliest sexually transmitted diseases. The latest AIDS statistics reveal that black women are the fastest growing segment of the population being infected and black men are still being infected in disproportionately high numbers. Why? Because they are hiding their true sexual identity in the mistaken belief that they can still consider themselves “striaght” because they are also having sex with women.

I am fortunate that I had enough support that I did not take my own life after I was caught by my fiance and had to admit who I really was. Although I have not evolved to the point of seeking “gay marriage”, I understand those who would like the opportunity to inherit joint property, to be able to make decisiosn about the medical care of their partners, to quality for medical benefits, to have the dignity that any other couple that love each other have.

While I may not have chahnged any minds on this subject, all I ask of you is “DON’T JUDGE”.

Lovely One

11/7/08, 11:32:am

@ Black

OK I guess there are no people from Cali on bossip this morning. Californians voted on this prop 4 years ago….and it didnt p*****. The supreme court overturned what the people voted on. So we had to vote again and it didnt p***** again……and the Gay/lesbian community has already started procedures to take it back to the supreme court. They have already vowed to keep on fighting.

You know in california if a gay or lesbian couple goes to a church and asks for that church to marry them… and the church of course not believing in the homosexual lifestyle refuses them…they sue the church and get paid. This prop isnt about hate.

The gay and lesbian community can have a civil union and get medical benefits for their spouses…and if not they can take legal action.

This is about the war that the gay and lesbian community is trying to wage against organized religion that doesnt accept them. Ask some black homosexuals how they are treated by white homosexuals….better yet look at some of the gay counsels that have been established and find some people of color on it?

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Glad you mentioned that. It is wrong to sue the church for not marring you. Again, at this point, the LBGT community is raging a war with the church. You can not tell the church to believe parts of the bible and disregard the rest. The AUDACITY!

I think the LGBT are fighting the wrong ppl. For instance, I do understand that gays cannot receive health benefits for their partners. In this case, I think the LBGT should fight with Health Providers rather than trying to redefine “marriage”

JMY

11/7/08, 11:33:am

I’m for gay marriage. I doesn’t affect my life and it shouldn’t affect others. But to blame blacks for this in my opinion is offensive and counter productive. Latinos, Asian, and Whites represent the majority of the population in Cali, so blacks being singled out is unfair in my opinion. And from what I have read, the people who were for Prop. 8 did a better job of campaigning for it, even though a lot of their ads were dishonest and offensive and they misrepresented Obama’s position on it to get blacks to vote yes (He personally believes that marriage is between man and woman, but believes in gay rights and their right to marry). It’s just disturbing hearing the blame for Prop. 8 p*****ing being put on blacks, when each race could of done a lot more to make sure it didn’t p*****.

12345

11/7/08, 11:34:am

I am out here in california, and i agree this is a dam shame… is 2008 and we cant even give every one equal rights…. this is a issue of religious beliefs and it should never be an item in the government… the problem, however is that the morman church spend 80 million dollars, tricking people into being scared of gay marriage… I am so proud of our election of Barack Obama, but dam, in California of all places we cant give a gay couple their rights…. noone can make a good argument about why gay marriage should be banned, because it is simply discrimination

Anonymous3 - the fire sign

11/7/08, 11:34:am

Phlegm

you sound bitter and upset….sorry, people have views and beliefs that may not coincide with yours….the point is just because I am Black and therefore a minority does not mean that I have cosign with the gay community…who in the world said that those two groups should ever be linked??!!!….and in this day and age of free speech I don’t believe in same sex marriage…or same sex period….but that is MY opinion and belief…

Black

11/7/08, 11:37:am

@ Phlegm

I have heard your statement before….but when I heard it..it was used as a reason why BLACK PEOPLE should not pro create. I guess being Black and being gay have all of the sudden become equivalent? Did you know that statistically its easier for a Gay white couple to adopt faster than a black straight couple or a black gay couple?

Ran

11/7/08, 11:38:am

Phlegm

You people are confused. The Supreme Court’s primary function is to uphold the Constitution, not religious or moral beliefs.

They overturned the initial Prosposition banning gay marriage due to its’ unconstitutional merits.

Haven’t you idiots ever heard of SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE?

_____________________________________________________

Separtation of Church and State- I agree 100%

I just would never understand why GAYS want to get married UNDER GOD? It’s hard to separate Church and State when something like this -is opposing a way of life that the bible is clearly against on the Church….

therefore like I said, it should be legally bind- but keep it out of the church

RealTalk...DontTrustYa

11/7/08, 11:39:am

I think there is a huge issue being overlooked in this entire debate. The deal isn’t with whom someone loves or marries the bigger issue has to do with Property/*****et management and Health Care.

The difference between a marriage and civil union is who can legally claim property in case of a death or divorce & the ability to obtain a Health Care plain that covers both partners has a couple.

So the bigger thing is do we as a country believe same-sex couples deserve the same marriage rights as a heterosexual couple.

Phlegm

11/7/08, 11:39:am

Anonymous3 – the fire sign

Idiot, it’s not a question of co-signing with their lifestyle, it’s a question of basic human equality and constitutional rights as Americans. Keep your religion and your skewed morality at home and don’t bring it to the voting booth.

Anonymous3 - the fire sign

11/7/08, 11:40:am

oh and here we go…whenver the bible is brought up some gays don’t want to hear about it…they would rather stick their head in the sand…..the bible says that same sex is an abomination…and I’m not talking about sodom (we all know the word that came from Sodom) and Gomorah….the bible says that those who practice same sex will burn in hell…but some choose to throw that portion of the bible away because it upsets their sensibilities….you don’t have to be a bible thumper to understand what was written and what you accept

Oshie (I like em brown, yellow, Puero Rican or Hatian, my name is Osh Kosh from the Zulu Nation)

11/7/08, 11:40:am

Keep the hate flowing everybody!

All Bossip hears is “ka-ching! ka-ching! ka-ching!”

Anonymous3 - the fire sign

11/7/08, 11:41:am

Phelgm

you’re the idiot on here trying to get people to believe what you believe….can I change your mind??? probably not….the same goes….do what the Black community has had to do for equal rights and constitutional rights….leave everybody else alone

12345

11/7/08, 11:42:am

@ LOVELY ONE & BLAQ… i am from california, and you must be misinformed… the morman church is spending 10s of millions of dollars to try to make it illegal… gays are not trying to get their right to be married in a church. they are trying to get the right to be married by the state… you know, like a MARRIAGE LICENCE!!! the state has no reason to exclude gays from this right. in no way would this require churches to change anything. but here everyone goes, demonizing the gay people… man they sure are bullies GTFOH. i think you are forgetting that there was a time when blacks and women had to fight for basic rights.

Jessica

11/7/08, 11:42:am

@ Oshie (I like em brown, yellow, Puero Rican or Hatian, my name is Osh Kosh from the Zulu Nation)

I agree it does say that in the Old Testament but with the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ we are no longer under the law this is why we do not sacrifice animals or observe the Sabbath. We’re saved by grace in Jesus and his sacrifice was done once and for all however in Romans it says that doesn’t give us the right to deliberately sin.

Romans 6:1-4

1What shall we say, then? Shall we go on sinning so that grace may increase? 2By no means! We died to sin; how can we live in it any longer? 3Or don’t you know that all of us who were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? 4We were therefore buried with him through baptism into death in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead through the glory of the Father, we too may live a new life.

Also what is consistent is that is the New Testament continues to state homesexuals will not inherit the kingdom of heaven.

1 Corinthians 6:9

9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders

So like I said until someone proves the bible is uninspired or that people are born gay a lot of people won’t support that lifestyle.

We believe in God and it is his will not ours…cuz like I said I personally don’t care what people do with their bodies, I didn’t create them.

Phlegm

11/7/08, 11:44:am

Dispite popular belief, the bible was interpreted and written by MAN – Who might add, is FLAWED.

Oshie (I like em brown, yellow, Puero Rican or Hatian, my name is Osh Kosh from the Zulu Nation)

11/7/08, 11:45:am

@ Jessica: Great, then we agree, it is for God to sort out and not you.

In the mean time, this is America and you are free to vote as you choose, but deep in your heart think about whether you are doing the right thing.

If you are truly an Obama supporter and a Christian you will be both a supporter of Gay marriage and of human rights.

Anonymous3 - the fire sign

11/7/08, 11:47:am

well put Jessica

Phlegm

11/7/08, 11:49:am

Anonymous3 – the fire sign

Sigh. You still don’t get it. It’s not about one’s subjective belief (born out of some archaic judeo-christian belief system), it’s about the Constitution – Where every man and woman is looked upon as EQUAL!

Jessica

11/7/08, 11:51:am

@Phlegm

You are write it was written by man but even the tablets inscribed by God himself given to Moses on Mt Sinai were still disregarded as nothing.

So your excuse that a man wrote it thus it is flawed is not accpetable. Find one inconsistency and I will believe that it is uninspired. In fact it would free alot of people from the fear of the consequences of sin. Please free us, show me the flaws or the errors please because after all my studies I have yet to find error. You either believe it or you don’t but it has no errors.

This further solidifies my belief that it is from God because people are just too imperfect to write something so well and prophetic over that length of time.

2 Peter 1:20,21

20Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet’s own interpretation. 21For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit.

12345

11/7/08, 11:55:am

SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE!!!!!! why is everyone on here debating about religion… this is government… no one is trying to change your religion.. dam i swear, people forget why america was started in the first place… so that people would have the freedom to believe whatever they want or dont want to… that means that no one religion should have any say in government.

...have him making ME pancakes in the mornin'

11/7/08, 11:56:am

people will accept what they will. i find it disheartening and would have hoped for more tolerance from a society that has been and continues to be heavily oppressed. i will always have nothing but empathy for anyone who suffers discrimination, especially when it prevents them from their rights to life…the pursuit of liberty and happiness.

in my opinion any two consenting adults should be able to marry. how is love…in any form…damaging the sanctity of marriage? people that feel homosexuality is a sin-that is your interpretation and your right to feel that way. people that feel homosexuality is a choice or selected lifestyle-that too is your opinion. i won’t knock how any one feels about it, it’s a controversial issue and differences in opinion are to be expected. i personally just try to live my life and p***** as little judgement on my peers as possible. we are given such a short time on this beautiful earth, spend the time constructively rather than to hate, judge, oppress, engage in bigotry…

not too long ago interracial marriage was illegal.

Only Repectable Negros

11/7/08, 11:56:am

thank you for your insight Anthony!!!

...have him making ME pancakes in the mornin'

11/7/08, 11:57:am

*by society…i meant specifically the black community

Phlegm

11/7/08, 11:59:am

Jessica

PAGAN, PLEEEZE!

Jus Sayin'

11/7/08, 11:59:am

Prop No. 8 proponents should have had better ads.

Anonymous3 - the fire sign

11/7/08, 12:00:pm

Phlegm…. *sigh* and look at how far Black people had to overcome the quote un quote equality of the constitution….all I’m saying is don’t ride the coat tails of other minorities for your rights…do your own thing…I think it’s ridiculous that the gay community would get upset with Blacks and Hispanics

flower_girl

11/7/08, 12:01:pm

people can blame prop 8 for not p*****ing on Blacks all they want, but the truth of the matter is we were not the ones pouring millions of $$ into the prop 8 campaign. the $$ came from white people, so let’s not get confused. the morman church is the organization that funded “yes on prop 8,” so why aren’t any fingers being pointed at them??

Jaye

11/7/08, 12:03:pm

I live in Cali, I’m Black and I consider myself a Christian. With that said…

I voted NO on 8!

There is NO REASON why gay people shouldn’t be able to get married! I’m straight and I don’t see how their being married effects me. People need to get a life. If you don’t believe in gay marriage then DON’T MARRY YOUR SAME SEX!

And as for all these arguments that gay marriage will confirm “gayness” in the eyes of children… I’ve got news for you…

GAY PEOPLE EXIST!

You cannot shelter your children from lesbians and gays their whole life! All they need to do is turn on television and they’re EVERYWHERE!

The prop to overturn gay marriage in my state was largely funded by freakin Mormons in Utah. Utah! Because they want to preserve the “tradition of marriage”… because ALL Mormons who live in Utah SO PRACTICE “traditional marriage”. So don’t take on multiple brides… some of them sisters!

Get that f**k outta here!!! I’m truly disappointed in my state. California voted to limit the civil liberties of gays and lesbians but voted for “more humane treatment” of farm animals!!!

(sigh)

People just need to live their lives…

Live and let live dammit!

-Jaye ;-/

sidney W.

11/7/08, 12:03:pm

All this “its a choice” is such quaint oldschool ignorance. It’s like the old white folk in the 60s who said blacks didn’t need special rights because its their choice to be here and not move back to Africa. (I guess the latinos can move back to Latinoland?) Anyway the good news is that educated black people voted against Prop 8 in much higher numbers.

12345

11/7/08, 12:04:pm

@ just saying…. you must not have heard… the morman church aka the richest church in the world, were the ones backing yes on prop… so how are the no on prop 8 people supposed to compete?? and they actually had great commercials, they just couldnt afford to run them on every station like the yes people did… and if you believe that is how people should make their minds up, based on who has the best/most commercials, i feel bad for you… cause you will never truly understand any of the issues

Oshie (I like em brown, yellow, Puero Rican or Hatian, my name is Osh Kosh from the Zulu Nation)

11/7/08, 12:04:pm

Anonymous3 – the fire sign

Phlegm…. *sigh* and look at how far Black people had to overcome the quote un quote equality of the constitution….all I’m saying is don’t ride the coat tails of other minorities for your rights…do your own thing…I think it’s ridiculous that the gay community would get upset with Blacks and Hispanics

Nov 7, 2008 – 12:01 pm flower_girl

people can blame prop 8 for not p*****ing on Blacks all they want, but the truth of the matter is we were not the ones pouring millions of $$ into the prop 8 campaign. the $$ came from white people, so let’s not get confused. the morman church is the organization that funded “yes on prop 8,” so why aren’t any fingers being pointed at them??

___________________________________________________

THE GAY COMMUNITY DID NOT MAKE ANY STATEMENT ABOUT THE BLACK COMMUNITY.

This was one statement made by one random *****ody who happens to be gay… or not! He could be straight! Who knows! Who cares! Not me!!!

Jessica

11/7/08, 12:05:pm

Fine *****ody is trying to prove a religion but those of us that believe in God do not just do whatever we want, voting included, when we believe our life will one day be brought into judgement.

However I do believe in the separation of Church and State. I would hope that we can have the freedom to choose whatever lifestyle we want with protection and equal rights from the law.

And I don’t want anyone impressing upon me their beliefs. I love the freedom of choice in this Country just don’t ask me to vote against my God’s Word, I won’t do it. Many others feel the same way even if they don’t admit it. It is what it is.

If there is a way for you to p***** those laws without support from bible believers then do it. I really don’t care I just don’t want to be accountable for supportiing it to my God and many other Black and Latino’s obviously feel the same way…

Our hands are tied.

Afiya - THIS IS A BRAND NEW DAY...WE DOIN' IT IN A BRAND NEW WAY...CLIMB ABOARD!

11/7/08, 12:06:pm

Y’all kill me trying to justify your damn FREAKINESS…that’s why AIDS is so rampant…SMDH.

Pisces81

11/7/08, 12:07:pm

There is a clear and destinct seperation of church and state in the constitution and it should be upheld.

If you believe that God ordained for man and woman to be married that is fantastic but ALL Americans do not believe in God.

Although the African American endured discrimination on a larger scales hate crimes and murders against homosexual are very similar those of our ancestors.

If straight love is so devine and powerful I say we end divorce and allow all straight people to be locked into their sacred, God sent, love of my life, til death do us part marriages.

Finally granted gays civil unions is the same as having a white entrance and a black entrance. Everyone gets to the same place just through different means.

Phlegm

11/7/08, 12:08:pm

Anonymous3 – the fire sign

You or blacks don’t have the monopoly on basic human rights. Do you realize how stupid that ***** is that you’ve just written? Some of you blacks have become just as self-centered as the Jews when it comes to social persecution.

It’s like i wrote before – It’s about EQUAL RIGHTS, THAT IS AFFORDED TO EVERY MAN AND WOMAN AS DICTATED BY THE CONSTITUTION!

Str8 Truth

11/7/08, 12:08:pm

This is nothing like the issues blacks face.

Marriage is, and has been, defined as the union of a man and a woman. Instead of complaining and trying to redefine marriage, they are demanding marriage be given a whole new definition. NO WAY!

I don’t care what people do behind closed doors. Gays should have a legally bonding partnership option. Don’t call it marriage. It isn’t.

Gays love to point out their lifestyles are not lifestyles, but how they were born. Other practitioners of taboo lifestyles, including polygamy and relationships with the very young, are illegal, yet if gays are given rights, those other alternative lifestyles could demand the same rights using the same arguments.

At what point do we, as a responsible society, put our foot down and stop legalizing everything just because some people want to be able to do it?There are legal issues here which must be addressed. This situation could blow the doors wide open for numerous laws against unaccepted relationships to be legalized. Incest laws, statutory rape laws, bigamy laws, polygamy laws could all be shot down if gay marriage is legalized, where it has been banned in several states already.

Some of us support equal rights, but are looking at the big picture. Where do equal rights stop and forbidding morally questionable behavior begin. Law is in part based on moral beliefs. Do we take morality out of law completely and say anything and everything is legal because denying someone the right to do it is stepping on their rights?

Anonymous3 - the fire sign

11/7/08, 12:09:pm

again cosign Jessica….however I don’t agree with the separation of church and state….however if you want to get down with the same sex then that is your business…but don’t bring your business to me and I won’t bring my business to you

Oshie (I like em brown, yellow, Puero Rican or Hatian, my name is Osh Kosh from the Zulu Nation)

11/7/08, 12:09:pm

@ Jessica:

“And I don’t want anyone impressing upon me their beliefs. ”

Really??? Me neither! Weird….

“I love the freedom of choice in this Country just don’t ask me to vote against my God’s Word”

No one is asking you to “vote against God”, in fact, no one is asking you to vote!

“If there is a way for you to p***** those laws without support from bible believers then do it.”

There are many “bible believers” who support these laws, Barack Obama, for one…

“I really don’t care I just don’t want to be accountable for supportiing it to my God and many other Black and Latino’s obviously feel the same way…”

I seriously doubt that when you get to Heaven St. Peter will be there saying, “Ok, Jessica, how did you vote on that proposition…” It’s more important to live a good life and do unto others as you would have done unto yourself, love thy neighbor, you know, all that stuff engraved on those tablets you were talking about…

Oshie (I like em brown, yellow, Puero Rican or Hatian, my name is Osh Kosh from the Zulu Nation)

11/7/08, 12:11:pm

Afiya – THIS IS A BRAND NEW DAY…WE DOIN’ IT IN A BRAND NEW WAY…CLIMB ABOARD!

Y’all kill me trying to justify your damn FREAKINESS…that’s why AIDS is so rampant…SMDH.

____________________________________________

AIDS is spread these days by IGNORANCE, not homosexuals.

Hey Afiya: Ooogity boogity I’m gay! Boo!

BB

11/7/08, 12:12:pm

@ Afiya

Aids is rampant because some are still engaging in unprotected sex.

You sound very uneducated, AIDS is no longer a gay or str8 disease. That’s why so many are contracting the virus thinking it can’t happen to them.

Oshie (I like em brown, yellow, Puero Rican or Hatian, my name is Osh Kosh from the Zulu Nation)

11/7/08, 12:13:pm

It’s almost 2009, can’t we get over this *****?!

Ok, I’m done.

12345

11/7/08, 12:14:pm

@ AFIYA…. aids did not spread because of freakiness of gay people… it is continuing to spread because of irresponsible people of all sexual orientations and races… dont blame the gay community, there are people out there that blame the black community and im sure you wouldnt like that. you sound just as bad as those people.

Phlegm

11/7/08, 12:15:pm

Afiya

And who said Jim Crow is dead. You’re the living embodiment of Jim Crow’s sentiments. It’s like you’re still living in the days of Color Purple. I bet you still sing those old slave spirituals while mopping your floors and scrubbing your toilet. It’s like i said before – A BAD CASE OF THE ***** SIMPLES.

Jessica

11/7/08, 12:20:pm

@ Oshie (I like em brown, yellow, Puero Rican or Hatian, my name is Osh Kosh from the Zulu Nation)

Whatever I don’t care what anyone thinks they are imperfect and in need of salvation just like me, Barack Obama included. The wages of sin is death and all have fallen short of the glory of God and he now commands everyone to repent everywhere.

My beliefs guide my steps as do yours not Barack Obama or Oprah or anybody else for that matter.

& What does loving my neighbor have to do with voting against my beliefs? If you ask me I voted in favor of my neighbors soul not against it.

Jaye

11/7/08, 12:20:pm

@Jessica…

“If there is a way for you to p***** those laws without support from Bible believers then do it.”

———————————————————-

In fact there WAS a way to bring about gay marriage in this state without the support of Bible believers. The California Supreme Court instated gay marriage and people from Utah raised money to, not only strip it from the law books, but to add a Constitutional amendment to BAN GAY MARRIAGE. I don’t know about you but I consider that very hateful.

I am a Christian as well and I HATE when people hide behind that. Christ said that no one sin is greater than another! And according to the Bible no one on this earth is free of sin. So if the argument is that gay marriage is a sin… gay people will not be judged anymore harshly that someone who parti*****tes in pre-marital sex.

“Let he who is without sin cast the first stone”

No one is free of sin…

So where are all these “judgment stones” coming from?

-Jaye ;-/

ari

11/7/08, 12:22:pm

OK… Lord help me…

1. The gay struggle should not be compared to the civil rights struggle because it is extremely insulting and belittling of those who have gone before us. The current social climate which gay people are fighting against is far more accepting of homosexuality than the culture in which civil rights pioneers like MLK and Malcolm X found themselves in was accepting of racial equality! Also, the idea that we have triumphed over social injustice and owe others *****istance in achieving the same is not just stupid,it is not true. For goodness sake, the struggle for racial equality is still not over! An amazing black man is going to the white house to prove that we can be anything we want to be but some idiot is still calling him the n word on the internet for everyone to hear! After such a historic achievement, he is still seen as inferior by some. For this reason, black people are not indebted to gay people in any way because we still have a fight on our hands, and any suggestion otherwise is ridiculous.

2. Religion is not a supermarket where people can pick and choose what suits them- plus GOD IS SEPARATE FROM THE STATE. We can’t bring God into our children’s cl*****rooms but we can bring God into the case against gay marriage? I don’t think so. If Christian values are followed strictly, does that mean that sex before marriage etc should be outlawed as well? We all know how likely that is to happen. Religion is separate from state law and should not be hidden behind when condemning homosexuality- that would be the height of hypocrisy.

SO… basically, the claims made by these gay rights activists may be irritatingly presumptuous, BUT based on social and legal reasons they cannot be denied certain rights because we do not live in the Christian States of America.

Its the Foosa

11/7/08, 12:22:pm

so because im black i have to accept your alternative lifestyle? here is some advice, if you want to get married, marry someone of the opposite sex. Yes on 8 and Go Obama!

12345

11/7/08, 12:25:pm

@ Jaye….AMEN!!!! That was perfectly put.

Jaye

11/7/08, 12:26:pm

I live in Cali…

My mother is a registered Democrat. Obama actually sent a robocall to her house urging Democrats to vote No on 8.

-Jaye ;-/

Anonymous3 - the fire sign

11/7/08, 12:27:pm

actually Jaye

if you read the bible you will not that premarital sex is not considered a sin….but there arerestrictions…if you lay with someone that you are not married to then you must marry them…..people, people…..not everyone is going to believe in gay rights…period….however, how you choose to live your life is your choice…do I have to agree with and vote for it….Nope

Phlegm

11/7/08, 12:28:pm

Its the Foosa

so because im black i have to accept your alternative lifestyle? here is some advice, if you want to get married, marry someone of the opposite sex. Yes on 8 and Go Obama!

It ain’t about you or you accepting a lifestyle that ultimately doesn’t affect you one way or the other.

It’s about the constitutional rights afforded to every American Citizen. Aren’t they teaching basic Civics and Government in school anymore?

Jessica

11/7/08, 12:29:pm

@Jaye

I agree the wages of sin is death…all sins even pre-marital sex.

Hey I didn’t write the Bible in fact I sometimes wish it never existed because so many people including myself struggle with the words in it. I am just not about to say it isn’t true, I can’t and I won’t know the truth about it until i die anyway. Until then it is always gonna be something I can’t just disregard.

Tahuh

11/7/08, 12:29:pm

I’m a heterosexual female who believes in freedom of choice across the board. I was disappointed with Cali and quite frankly surprised that they p*****ed Prop 8. Let the gay community’s unions be recognized, I mean WTF? Stop calling it a choice too because it’s not. Do you think they would choose this ridicule and discrimination? Do some of us have a choice to be black? Hell no, so cut it out! People can love whoever they want regardless of what you or I think about it and our moral stance. I know how certain peeps are in the black community when it comes to this subject and the bible verses are quick to fly, lol. My friends do it and it drives me nuts. I think about how we were denied sooooo much. I would never want to deny anyone like that. This is precisely why you have the whole DL situation. People won’t accept them so they hide their lifestyle! I just want everyone to be happy damn it, lol. Seriously though. I also think it’s ridiculous that people don’t want them to adopt children, WTF? You’d rather have children go without parents and remain in the system than let a couple who would love and provide for them take them in? It’s stupid! This country still has a long way to go!

12345

11/7/08, 12:34:pm

what does make me feel a little better though, is the fact that the supreme court of my state will probably just overturn this decision like they did last time

jrod

11/7/08, 12:36:pm

@ Serious

No one is hanging you from a tree or hosing you down either. No one is asking for anyone to accept gay lifestyle. But to discriminate against a group and have that written into the constitution is absurd. It’s wonderful that Obama was elected. But it’s a double-edged sword. A lot of very unintelligent voters showed up on election day. People who simply voted on race. Given the issues, any intelligent voter would have voted for Obama anyway. He would have won regardless in my opinion. I myself am not gay but am really disappointed in the govt and people of california. This would never have p*****ed in another election year. Thanks guys!

Jaye

11/7/08, 12:41:pm

@ Anonymous3 – the fire sign

and

@Jessica

“if you read the bible you will note that premarital sex is not considered a sin….but there arerestrictions…if you lay with someone that you are not married to then you must marry them…”

Sorry but I’ve studied the Bible and was in Sunday school for a very long time. Are you telling me that the Christian Church does not consider pre-marital sex a sin? Lets say I do give you that one… just looking at the Ten Commandments we ALL can find SOMETHING we are guilty of?

Am I saying that people who don’t believe in gay marriage should be force to believe? Am I saying that devout Christians who believe gay marriage is a sin should be forced to go against their beliefs?

NO!

What I’m saying is… IT WAS LAW! The fact that people banded together to strip it from law and add a Constitutional Amendment to ban it is…

HATEFUL!

People have a right to live the way they see fit. And not ALL people are Christian. So if you want to talk about “imposing beliefs” I would say gays and lesbians were the ONLY ones “imposed” on with this ballot.

And I’m not even gay or lesbian… but to see people band together to restrict the rights of others…

THAT’S JUST WRONG!

-Jaye ;-/

Doin ME

11/7/08, 12:42:pm

The ***** is so..funny to me! I am a black and proud lesbian, fucc the people who have something to say. Im going to be with my partner for LIFE. Everyone is entitled to their opinion. 2 my fellow RAINBOW FAMILY Just love life be happy..in due time it will happen. Most of the people that judge you are on their way to hell with gasoline drawls on. So feel free to be you… Dr. Martin Luther King and Mrs. Coretta would be so disappointed in you people. Especially people who were told that they couldn’t drink in a water fountain because of the color of their skin, or had to use the entrance around the alley. Maybe you can’t compare it to being black, but who can say since NONE of you commenting were actually there but it feels damn near close. As I said do you..if I”m going to hell then so be as long as I know and “GOD” knows wehre my heart is.Besides we are living right now in hell on earth. I’m not the one to try to push my lifestyle on anyone else but before you judge know that you will be the first to be judge!!!!!

LADY ARCHITECT(DOING BIG THINGS AT 23)

11/7/08, 12:43:pm

THIS IS REALLY A HARD ONE TO COMMENT ON, BUT I’LL TRY. I THINK A LOT OF PEOPLE WERE TURNED OFF BY THE FACT THAT IT SEEMED AS THOUGH GAY MARRIAGE WOULD BE TAUGHT IN SCHOOLS AND MANY STRAIGHT COUPLES OPPOSED THAT AND I WOULD TOO HONESTLY BECAUSE THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH EDUCATION. THAT SHOULD BE DISCUSSED BETWEEN PARENTS AND CHILDREN. ALSO THE IDEALS OF MARRIAGE CONSTITUTIONALLY WAS BASED OFF OF WHAT WAS SAID IN THE BIBLE WHICH WAS BETWEEN MAN AND WOMAN AND PEOPLE WANT TO PROTECT THAT WORD FOR WORD SO I CAN UNDERSTAND THAT VIEW.

NOW I DO BELIEVE THAT THE IDEALS OF CIVIL UNIONS SHOULD BE MORE EXTENSIVE IN ALLOWING THE PARTNER TO MAKE MAJOR DECISIONS IN HOSPITALS, TAX FORMS ETC. SO IF ANYTHING CIVIL UNIONS SHOULD BE CONSTITUTIONALLY RECOGNIZED AS SUCH. IF IT’S RIGHTS THAT YOU WANT THEN WHY ARE YOU FIGHTING FOR THE MARRIAGE TITLE. WHY NOT FIGHT FOR MORE RIGHTS WITHIN CIVIL UNIONS?

I DON’T HAVE ROOM TO JUDGE BECAUSE GOD DOES NOT WANT US TO DO SO, BUT I WILL SAY NO SIN IS GREATER THAN ANOTHER AND ALSO NO SIN CAN BE JUSTIFIED BY THAT SCRIPTURE. I’M SURE YOU PEOPLE UNDERSTAND WHAT I MEAN. YOU WILL HAVE YOUR OWN INDIVIDUAL JUDGEMENT DAY. ALSO PLEASE DON’T COMPARE THIS INSTANCE WITH THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT. THEY ARE NOTHING CLOSE TO BEING SIMILAR.

anna

11/7/08, 12:44:pm

They need to stop getting mad because what’s done is done. that’s the opinion that they have so why are they getting so mad? Also, if this country was so free, why do people have to fight for the right to marry who they want? The govt. should not get involved with people’s personal affairs. I’m not for Gay marriage, but I think they should have the RIGHT to choose to do that if they want. And they shouldn’t get mad if someone votes against it because just like they have feelings, other people do, too.

Phlegm

11/7/08, 12:44:pm

jrod

I live in Cali and listen to a lot of the conservative radio stations, and they with the exception of Rush Limbaugh, were all shocked that Prop. 8 p*****ed. As is, it was a close race, but due to the ill informed first time voting of most blacks and latinos + their (obvious) archaic religious beliefs and skewed values (where sexuality is concerned) pushed Prop 8, 4% past the nays.

Its the Foosa

11/7/08, 12:45:pm

@Phelgm

At the time the constitution was written, they didnt have to say that a marrige was between anything other than a man and a women, because, well, only men and women married. Me voting yes on 8 doesnt deny gays their constitutional right to marrige as many try to put it, what voting yes on 8 does to the california constitution is explicitly state that a “marrige is between a man and a women”…thats it.

and please leave the presumptious comments about what people are learning in school out of this.

Jaye

11/7/08, 12:45:pm

I think there may be some confusion on the site…

Yes on 8= Ban gay marriage

No on 8= Allow gay marriage

Jessica

11/7/08, 12:48:pm

@Jaye

Hey Jaye disprove the bible and next time a whole lot of people will vote for the rights of gay marriage including myself and that’s the truth.

We have the right to believe what the bible says in this country and we have the right to excercise our votes. Until you disprove the bible many things won’t change about gay marriage or legalizing prostitution.

& I don’t hate anyone I told you before I am tied to my doubts that the bible may be true and until you release me and a whole lot of other people from this idea our hands are tied.

Lastly please set us free.

Rainbow Baby

11/7/08, 12:48:pm

And on top of that for ARKANSAS.. to p***** a similar law to ban gays and lesbians from adopting.. that to me is so damn ridiculous considering the fact that WE the GLBT communtity take in, love, and nurture the children that you STRAIGHT black men and women have no regard for is fuccing insane. Its official the world is really coming to an end.. at least We gays make it more fashionable.

Jaye

11/7/08, 12:48:pm

What I find particularly interesting is that people who do not agree with gay marriage are all for a “union” which will afford gays and lesbians the equal rights of marriage. So…

Separate but equal?

-Jaye :-/

porterwayne757

11/7/08, 12:53:pm

First of all how is it when gays are challenged the first thing they want to do is to compare their struggle to black civil rights struggle. NEWS FLASH GAY PEOPLE: NO COMPARISON!! Yes i believe being gay is a choice not like race. The only way you can get me to believe it is if you tell me that you cannot physically have heterosexual sex. Sounds ridiculous doesn’t it.

Jaye

11/7/08, 12:54:pm

@Jessica

Last post… I swear! LOL

I don’t think you’re hateful and I don’t think your decision is based on hate. When I used the word hateful I was referring to people, like Mormons in Utah, who funneled money into California to restrict the rights of others. The law was p*****es. For them to come along and wage a campaign to restrict the rights of others and reverse it is hateful.

So like I said. I don’t think you’re hateful. My mom is a devout Christian and does not agree with gay marriage one bit… but she also does not agree with restricting the rights of others so she left that proposition blank.

-Jaye ;-/

Phlegm

11/7/08, 12:55:pm

Its the Foosa

*what voting yes on 8 does to the california constitution is explicitly state that a “marrige is between a man and a women”…thats it.

And that’s why (in all probability) the Supreme Crt. will overturn it again because of the unconstitutionality of it.

anna

11/7/08, 12:56:pm

It’s over with, it’s done, so the gay community needs to get over it and stop getting mad. Just like they have their opinions, other people have theres’, too. I’m not for gay marriage, but I think they should be able to choose that if they want to. People are mixing the church with govt. and that’s not right. That’s their personal affairs. Let them do what they want. Also, if this country is so Free, why do people have to fight for their rights?

We have a lot of problems.

No Longer a Proud Californian

11/7/08, 12:58:pm

**COCOBARBIE**

You said

“I actually voted against Prop 8 because if you live in the State of California they were talking about if it p*****ed then they would be teaching young children about princes marrying princes and so on. I have a very bright 6 year old son and I am sorry I do not want him going to school learning that. That was a BIG deal for myself as well as people that I know. I really don’t care about gays marrying, but don’t teach that to my child!!”

Do you lack critical thinking skills? If you VOTE AGAINST PROP 8, it means you support same-sex marriages. YOu have to vote IN SUPPORT (YES) on Prop 8 if you want to ban same-sex marriages. Sorry, but you’re not intelligent, in other simple words, you’re dumb. The California Teacher’s *****ociation supports voting No on 8 (against Prop and came out and said they do not teach children anything about marriage. The “talk” about teaching children that Princes can marry Princes is propoganda from the Yes on 8 supporters.

Even if people don’t believe in same-sex relationships and are homophobic (though no one likes to admit they are hateful), NO ONE SHOULD DENY OTHERS THE RIGHT TO MARRY SOMEONE!! Everyone should take a history lesson and learn that not too long ago, California laws prohibited interracial marriages and didn’t allow minorities to own land. What’s the difference now? You all say “I believe marriage is between a man and woman”.. Yeah, you’re entitled to your own opinions and beliefs, but WHY WOULD YOU IMPOSE YOUR BELIEFS ON OTHERS, AND IN THIS CASE, THE GOVERMENT?!?!

K

11/7/08, 12:58:pm

I swear, if one more person says being Gay is a choice I’m going to punch someone in the face. Who on EARTH would choose this!? So many other countries and states have this legal, and the world hasn’t imploded. I’m going to agree with Melissa Etheridge on the one – if I don’t get the same rights as my next door neighbor, then I’m not paying my taxes. Why should I pay taxes when I don’t have the same rights – thats sounds like taxation without representation to me. If you don’t like it, don’t marry a gay person. period. this is ridiculous. its 2008. wake up. Do you think people would be fighting this hard for it if they could just “choose” to be with the opposite sex? And for those who want to say that the black struggle is nothing like the gay struggle you are ignorant as hell. The amount of hate crimes against gays are STAGGERING and millions have been killed for being gay over the years. MILLIONS. I’m disgusted during a week I should be so proud. Obama was a great achievment but ***** like this shows how for behind our country really is and how far we still have to go.

P.S. I want everyone who has a gay person in their life, whether its a family member, a hairdresser, a lawyer, a coworker to say to their FACE that they don’t deserve the same CIVIL RIGHTS as the rest of America. It’s easy to hide behind a ballot.

JMACK

11/7/08, 12:59:pm

minorities voting yes on prop 8 is the same as voting yes for jim crow. idiots.

LADY ARCHITECT(DOING BIG THINGS AT 23)

11/7/08, 12:59:pm

Rainbow Baby,

I THINK IT’S VERY SUPERFICIAL AND GENERIC TO BLAME BABIES IN THE SYSTEM ON JUST BLACK PEOPLE. I’VE BEEN TO MANY AGENCIES BECAUSE MY GRANDMOTHER ADOPTED CHILDREN ALL THE TIME, AND THEY WERE OF ALL RACES SO PLEASE STOP IT.

Jaye,

YOU CAN ALSO FLIP THAT QUESTION AND SAY THAT IF IT’S THE RIGHTS YOU WANT, WHY FIGHT SO HARD FOR THE WORD AND RECOGNITION OF A TITLE CALLED MARRIAGE?

TO ME MARRIAGE HOLDS A MORE BIBLICAL MEANING IN ITS DEFINITION.

A CIVIL UNION, IF DONE CORRECTLY GIVES HOMOSEXUALS HUMAN RIGHTS (ALTHOUGH IT HAS NOT BEEN THOUGHT OUT FULLY). I THOUGHT THAT’S WHAT THE FIGHT IS ABOUT.

12345

11/7/08, 13:00:pm

@ LADY ARCHITECH…. what you were saying about education, is the exact reason why people need to be better informed. that is all a scare tactic. Gay marriage has been legal in california for the last year or so… and guess what… there was nothing being taught in schools. i totally agree with you that it is parents job to teach their kids about sex, marriage etc. but kids know way more these days, and it is 2008 things are different. there is gonna be a day when being gay is not a stigma. my stepmom is an elementary teacher, she has been for about 5-6 yrs now, and she has had at least 1 child who had gay parents in every single cl***** she taught… so again guess what.. kids are not stupid, they are gonna learn about homosexuality regardless of whether gay marriage is legal or not

K

11/7/08, 13:01:pm

Oh, one more thing – no amendement to the CONSTITUTION should be able to p***** with just 51% of the vote. Thats the difference between people not being able to vote b/c they had to work and such. It should be win by at least 70%. THAT is a true majority win.

12345

11/7/08, 13:03:pm

also… the word marriage may hold biblical meaning, but it is used for atheists who get married too? so why cant gay couples just go down to the courthouse and get a marriage licence? if that is the case, the government should change the word marriage in their books, leave that word to religious marriage ceremonies, and eveyone can use the same word when they get a “marriage licence”.

K

11/7/08, 13:04:pm

porterwayne757 – you must be gay, b/c you, physically, are able to have homosexual sex.

Oh, and you must also be an idiot.

Afiya - THIS IS A BRAND NEW DAY...WE DOIN' IT IN A BRAND NEW WAY...CLIMB ABOARD!

11/7/08, 13:04:pm

Phlegm

Afiya

And who said Jim Crow is dead. You’re the living embodiment of Jim Crow’s sentiments. It’s like you’re still living in the days of Color Purple. I bet you still sing those old slave spirituals while mopping your floors and scrubbing your toilet. It’s like i said before – A BAD CASE OF THE ***** SIMPLES.

=========================

What does all that have to do with what I do in my bedroom…huh…I’m a married woman…been married to my husband for almost 20 years and my bedroom is off-limits to outsiders.

WHY DO I NEED TO KNOW WHAT YOU DO IN YOURS? HUH?

Now if they wanna p***** a partnership bill I can dig that but marriage…I ain’t feelin’.

And if I did sing negro spiritual while mopping my damn floors…what’s it to you?

Jaye

11/7/08, 13:07:pm

The funny thing is…

This is NOT over. After all this hoopla the Supreme Court will probably overturn this decision. The margin in which this prop was p*****ed was VERY SLIM. Gays and lesbians have already filed lawsuits. According to law… this cl*****ifies as a restriction of civil liberties.

We live in a pluralistic society. One of many religions, some which include agnostic beliefs. Although I am a Christian I understand there is a separation of church and state in this country. You cannot bring the Biblical argument into the courtroom. And since that’s the ONLY leg the opposition has to stand on… eventually gay marriage will be allowed.

And that’s just the truth.

-Jaye ;-/

LADY ARCHITECT(DOING BIG THINGS AT 23)

11/7/08, 13:07:pm

12345,

I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU MEAN. I WAS JUST SAYING THAT PEOPLE MADE IT SEEM THAT WAY. EVEN WHEN YOU RESEARCH IT ONLINE FOR SOMEONE WHO LIVES IN ANOTHER STATE LIKE MYSELF, IT SAYS IT EVERYWHERE AND TO ME THE HOMOSEXUAL COMMUNITY DIDN’T DO A GREAT JOB OF SHOWING PEOPLE THAT IT DIDN’T MEAN THAT. THAT’S ALL I’M SAYING.

ROLECALL

11/7/08, 13:08:pm

Race and sexual preference ultimately cannot be compared, but when you agree with not allowing another group of people the same rights as yourself, that makes you a bigot.

I’m calling out some of the BIGOTS who already posted (and you are bigots):

Serious

blackwoman

Kitty

XP

DA TRUFF!!!

LaSabre84

asil

WordtotheWise

outsider

Nicole

Well…

Roni

J0EY BISHOP

PURPPLE

M

Kompton’s Kutie

(there’s more, but I don;t have enough time)

Do yourself a favor and do some soul searching. Gays are being discriminated against. Their sexual preference is not your business.

It’s good people are discussing this though. I think a balance between being reigious and being tolerant can be met. I like what Lee said. He is Muslim, by the way.

porterwayne757

11/7/08, 13:12:pm

hey k-i’m pretty hetero just go ask your mother about it.

izzymom

11/7/08, 13:13:pm

I think gay people should have the right to do what they want. Their marriages would probably last longer than a man and a woman’s anyway. Besides this is America and everybody has equal rights including homosexuals and no one should deny them that. If they don’t want gay people to get married because of religious beliefs then that’s you and your religion’s business. In America we have a right to choose our religion too. I see what gay people mean when they compare what they go through with what black people go through (maybe not back in slavery but now) because they are treated so badly for being who they are and who they are entitled to be.

Nunyabeezwax California

11/7/08, 13:16:pm

First of all the color of your skin is determined by your genetic make up, your sexuality isn’t. There is no comparison whatsoever…Now…..

On election day everyone wanted the African-American and Latino communities to show up and voice their opinion about who should be president, why wouldn’t they want us to voice our opinions about anything else?…..PROP 8?!?!

I think it’s quit hilarious that Gay/Homosexual/Bi’s believe they have a right to be the way they are but everyone else doesn’t have the right to decided whether they like it or not!!! We’re not puppets and we don’t have strings..don’t try to use as you please and dump us on the side of the road when things don’t go your way…that’s not right!!!!

*****a

11/7/08, 13:17:pm

I voted Yes on 8 and I am from Berkeley, CA the SF Bay Area…been around gay people all my life. I don’t believe in gay marriages. Respect the vote of the people, regardless of their race. There is going to be winner and a loser. Charge it to the game.

In France as in America

11/7/08, 13:18:pm

Understand this people, especially you macho.

Seperate is NOT equal

If you change the words and the terminology it DOESN’T then make our rights equal

this is the reason that LAWS governing EVERY race, every person are put in place.

We do not have black laws, white laws etc..,

because

SEPERATE is not now nor will it ever be equal.

if the laws and the rights rae the SAME why change the WORDS? because they are NOT the same.

This is put in place to INVALIDATE the people who are affected.

BB

11/7/08, 13:19:pm

@ LADY ARCHITECT(DOING BIG THINGS AT 23)

In your 23 years have you truly ever felt discriminated against and called out your name for being black—Most white folks aren’t that bold? Most blacks in this country are subjected to a covert form of racism that’s institutional.

But when you have friends and work colleagues that talk openly about killing “*****s” and the ole “Adam & Steve” joke, not to mention one of my openly gay friends being stoned, and countless others meeting beatings even death–this proposition essentially condones others to discriminate against gays.

Civil rights doesn’t have a stick whereby it should be measured, it should never occur plain and simple. But we are comparing this situation with its most recent occurance, and using the fact that we as blacks mage progress, then why not the gays.

M

11/7/08, 13:21:pm

@Phlegm

You digust me with your rants! If you are going to be the advocate for gay rights and say your points, your degradatory remarks are not helping. Those who were uncertain about the situation, would see your post and be biased in a negative way. There is a such thing as cl*****! Please use it!

Jaye

11/7/08, 13:22:pm

@ LADY ARCHITECT(DOING BIG THINGS AT 23)

“TO ME MARRIAGE HOLDS A MORE BIBLICAL MEANING IN ITS DEFINITION.”

“A CIVIL UNION, IF DONE CORRECTLY GIVES HOMOSEXUALS HUMAN RIGHTS (ALTHOUGH IT HAS NOT BEEN THOUGHT OUT FULLY). I THOUGHT THAT’S WHAT THE FIGHT IS ABOUT.”

As a said in a previous posting the only leg the opposition of gay marriage has to stand on is… a Biblical one. This country has a separation of church and state. You cannot bring that argument into the courtroom, which is exactly why the Supreme Court will eventually strike down this prop.

Secondly a “civil union” which provides the same rights could be a compromise. But there should be NO DISPUTE that “civil unions” are a separate but equal approach.

Like I said. I’m heterosexual, I’m Black and I am a Christian. But to restrict the rights of others…

I feel that’s wrong.

Anyway… I have work to do so I’m just gonna leave it at that.

-Jaye ;-/

12345

11/7/08, 13:22:pm

@ lady architech… i understand what you are saying… that is what really sucks. the morman church spent 79 million dollars on the yes on 8 campaign… that was the second highest amount spent on any campaign this year, only second to the presidential election, also the most money spent on a proposition EVER in the history of our country. there was no way the gay community could compare. and like i said, it is just a shame. i am straight, and i have no idea what it would be like to be kept from marrying the person that i love. i mean dam that, i would fight to the death, and that is real talk. one of my best friends is gay and she lives in San Fransisco, she came back and visited last weekend and we talked about it, and her p*****ion for it and the feelings she was telling me that her community has about it, idk, i think people forget they are human just like you and me. it honestly just breaks my heart that it p*****ed.

Frank Lucas

11/7/08, 13:22:pm

Okay. I see some intelligent arguments, and some not so intelligent. But unless I missed it, I haven’t seen the most obvious point addressed…

First, a couple of precepts. The root word of homosexuality is sexuality, or, sex. So, the whole idea here is, whom one can have sex with. Whether you believe the Bible or not(and I’m not preaching here), the whole point of sex is procreation(the smart kids already know where I’m going with this).

The act of marriage is designed the govern the act of procreation(even though a lot of folks have kids out of wedlock, but that’s another discussion).

Unless the rock I live under has shielded me from some scientific, technological advance, two people of the same sex cannot procreate. Therefore, there is no need for them to marry. It is illogical, and unnecessary.

Now, I am not saying that two people of the same sex can’t be a couple(which would be their chosen human civil ‘right’). I’m just stating the obvious. While, perhaps, Same Sex Civil Union might have some actual purpose, to allow a couple the ‘right’ to handle each others responsibilities.

If I should NOT allow a gay person to patronize my establishment, THAT would be discrimination. If I should NOT patronize a gay person’s establishment, THAT is discrimination. If I should deny a gay person a job, THAT is discrimination. If I should beat a gay person, THAT would be discrimination.

Not allowing two gay people to ‘marry’ is NOT discrimination. It is the basic maintenance of civilized society. We ALL MUST parti*****te in this basic maintenance(Don’t kill, Don’t steal, Don’t drive drunk, etc).

Again, I’m not saying they can’t be together, if that is their choice. And indeed, they should have some basic rights should they choose to be a couple.

But, to compare that particular issue to the Civil Rights Movement is just not a feasible argument. Discrimination against a RACE of people, is a far different issue. To say that, a mixed-race hetero couple can’t marry, now THAT would be discrimination.

Someone in the above comments said, ‘Did you choose to be straight?’ My answer is no, I was born male. A man’s NATURAL partner is a woman(you see, the two of us can make babies, the WHOLE reason for SEX in the first place). I didn’t have to ‘choose’ to be straight. It IS the NATURAL predisposition.

Someone else in the above comments said, ‘…saying they can’t get “married” continues to make the point that gays and lesbians are not like “us,” the so-called “normal people.”…’ I respectfully disagree. It’s not saying they’re not like the rest of us. It’s simply an acknowledgment that marriage is designed to govern the act of procreation(again, the WHOLE reason for SEX in the first place). They can’t procreate, therefore they shouldn’t marry. If a homosexual couple wants to have sex, that is their business. However, not the same thing as a heterosexual couple, who wants to MAKE BABIES and start a family. Which is the MAIN reason they would ‘marry’.