golden

dawg goin to jail hahaha

I have never wanted to be Asian before…

Mmmmmhmm T.i. u just too sexci!

He looks nice, enough said.

umm hmmm Tiny Watch ur back as if u werent all ready.T.I been looking good enough to eat lately

ah YES! The image of the over sexual beastly Black male and the Jezebal, Saphire Black woman! Its simply amazing.

The girl on the left…isn’t that the same girl from the “Dangerous” video with Kardinal Official?

Morning Peeps. T.I. can get it-with his cute lil self…Judging by the pics it looks like he’ll be getting free Chinese food at the Penn

Hey…I can’t even hate the girls are actually pretty and T.I. looks good per usual.

I wouldn’t even be mad if my man copped this issue and had it on his coffee table…shoooooot T.I. looks straight up delicious!!! Eyecandy for your man and T.I. is eyecandy for the ladies !!!

Funny how the cover says “Sexiest Black Women Alive” and the two girls on the cover with T.I. look Asian and Hispanic.

Wow that lesbian photo on the couch got my gun cocked and ready.

OK, I fail to see what’s attractive about this man. Doesn’t he have a criminal record? And that photo for a married man (he’s married to Tiny, right?) with kids looks absolutely wholesome.

No thanks. Say No to Thugs.

@College Girl Swag… I thought the same thing ma.

@ College Girl Swag…

That chick on the left (in the main pic) is a straight-up lightskin Black girl…

LOL @ the “for strong, positive, caring brothers” line in small letters at the top

Well… he’s a black man, but where are the Black women?

self hatred is an ugly thing. wonder how his mom and sister feel about that?

LOL @ Vivandi

You said it all with “piece of man.”

Nothing attractive about convicted felons to me. There are plenty of attractive brothers who are living their lives on the straight and narrow. And they’re ALL men — not pieces.

LMAO @ Sydney…I can see where you are coming from. I love T.I. but yeah he has done some things that are below his intellect…definitely the badboy you admire from a distance.

And no T.I. and Tiny are not married…they are ‘engaged’.

@ Sydney

I agree that T.I is not someone that I would look for as a life partner HOWEVER booty call, freaky deaky loving! he just does it for me! he is mighty fine!

@SYDNEY
“LOL @ the “for strong, positive, caring brothers” line in small letters at the top”
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OMG!! I just noticed that at the top. I had no idea that was there. I think I’m going to cancel my subscription “rite na!!”

@Mz_Magnificent

“And no T.I. and Tiny are not married…they are ‘engaged’.”

They have children (how many kids is it now?) together, and they’re not yet married? *clutching my pearls*

Boy, his stock is rising by the minute, isn’t it?

I can’t even admire bad boys from a distance — I’m disgusted. There’s nothing “admirable” about them.

Now a brother who actually fits this magazine’s bill of “strong, positive, and caring” is what I consider attractive and should be admired.

Tiny is such a lucky lady…

why are people suprised that such a magazine used two non black models?? same old same old really,most of the video vixens are latina/asian anyways so it doesnt bother me!

@Vinandi

“I agree that T.I is not someone that I would look for as a life partner HOWEVER booty call, freaky deaky loving! he just does it for me! he is mighty fine!”

Girl, I thought you were being facetious earlier! Can we say STDs? Doesn’t he play the field quite a bit?

@Man

“OMG!! I just noticed that at the top. I had no idea that was there. I think I’m going to cancel my subscription “rite na!!”

LOL, I know you have this issue at home.

I wonder if I could get fired for fingerbanging myself at work… hmmmm… I’ve decided it’s worth the risk!

They are both lighter than T.I. and that is quite a feat.
I think I’m darker than T.I. myself.

@SYDNEY
“OMG!! I just noticed that at the top. I had no idea that was there. I think I’m going to cancel my subscription “rite na!!”

LOL, I know you have this issue at home.
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I have thrown all of my issues away (after taking out favorite photo shots). I want no part of a magazine “for strong, positive, caring brothers.”

We all know I don’t “care.”

wut up Oshie?

@Vinandi

“why are people suprised that such a magazine used two non black models?? same old same old really,most of the video vixens are latina/asian anyways so it doesnt bother me!”

Well, it would be more than a little ironic if Essence, for instance, used Latino/Asian models for its annual men’s issue, for instance, given the magazine’s focus on black women and black culture.

But I think that this cover probably reflects the types of women T.I. showcases in his videos (Not that I watch them, so, please correct me if I’m wrong).

@Man

“We all know I don’t “care.”

Oh, yes, you do, lol.

I just think it’s funny — If I subscribed to a magazine that featured half-nude men, I wouldn’t think it catered to “strong, positive, caring sister” (or else I would expect someone like Oprah on the cover). But, eh, that’s just me. . .

What it don’t Man?
I’m finally finished with school, that’s whats up, enjoying this lovely Louisiana weather and sippin on some craptastic community coffee!

@ Sydney: We really need to get together and start a magazine.

What, they couln’t find one beautiful black girl to put on the cover? Where are all the nice dark skinned women out there!

Hey Oshie!

“@ Sydney: We really need to get together and start a magazine.”

Actually, I’ve thought about doing just that for a while, so just say the word.

Gotta go — check in later.

@ Sydney: Great! I’ll start rounding up the half naked men. Where’s my lasso?

that would be a nice 3piece….WITH a biscuit. must be nice

@SYDNEY
““We all know I don’t “care.”

Oh, yes, you do, lol.

I just think it’s funny — If I subscribed to a magazine that featured half-nude men, I wouldn’t think it catered to “strong, positive, caring sister” (or else I would expect someone like Oprah on the cover). But, eh, that’s just me. . .”
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LOL. Come on now Sydney. Enjoying the female body and being “strong, positive and caring” aren’t mutually exclusive.

I bet Barack has peeped at a few of these mags before in his life. (ducking shoe that you throw)

WOW…T.I. looks great, but WTF? Where’s his wife. I think this is a little ridiculous…images we put out as black people are real messed up…

down wit the kings…Usher and T.I. they bring’em out

I have to concur dearly…ENTERTAINMENT or NOT you have a WOMEN/WIFE at home this is some bafoonery. I think the shyt is wack!

@Oshie: did you get your study on like you were suppose to mam?

@ TX Chick: Yeah you know I tried… but I feel like even if I studied more I would have studied the wrong thing. I feel pretty confident. I think.

We had a written answer part that I filled out 4 pages front and back so either I kicked ass or I’m a crazy idiot!

This filth first thing in the monin…….

@Oshie: you are crazy cause you have me cracking up every day!!! But I know your smart and I know you did well on your exam or what not….

Ok. The magazine is called “Black Man” and apparently has a feature of the sexiest black women alive… but there is an Asian and a mixed/barely black girl on the cover? Not to mention the man on the cover is married. THIS is a picture of EXACTLY what is wrong with us.

You don’t see whites, asians, and blacks on the cover of latino magazines. You rarely see women of color on the cover of GQ and Esquire. WHY oh WHY are blacks the ONLY race with absolutely no loyalty to our own???
The editor-in-chief at Black Man needs his BLACK ASS whipped!

T.I looks sSOOO fine. But yea, there should of been sum BLK women up on der… Like me

BLK women r the best just wanna say iif yall already didnt know!!

I told ya.

Black women are no longer the object of desire for black men. We are not beautiful enough. Our hair doesnt dry after 10 minutes of getting out a pool. Our noses arent pointed; but wide. Our hair is not always down our backs. Our complexions are not always light skinned. Our eyes are not always hazel or some other color. We can give thanks to videos for that.

This is what my breakdown is for what these black men like as far as looks in women.
1) She must have a fat a**, thick thighs, and ample breasts. (I mean, we all know that men are visual and sometimes, very, very simple men) It doesnt take much to arouse and excite them. While possessing these physical attributes……she must also have:
2) Cacausian features (i.e hair, nose, lips (sometimes), and anything else superficial that men like to see.
3) They have to be mixed with something ELSE but black. Chinese, brazilian, asian, etc….

Its like…..they dont want a white girl. But if they can find one close to it with a black womens body, then I’m sure they would act like the sappy house negro when the master asks to bring more tea. Showing all 45 of his white a** teeth.

This is why I dont date black men. Other men in other races appreciate a black woman more than our own men do. And I dont have time to sit and wait for a “black prince” after him and his horse bypass me to pick up the lighter skinned princess with the wavy, jet-black hair. I tell them from the jump that I dont date black men and probably never will. Aside from being overly materialistic and boring (to say the least), they dont excite me mentally. Probably only physicallt because they ARE always dressed (that much I can say). But once that dwindles, I need substance and most of them are just carbon-copies of the previous dude, so I know their mental is lacking in the “intellectual” field.

Anywho…..I am a nice-looking female and I have no problems with meeting any type of man but right now my choice in not black men, since we are not the choice for them. Hey, I’ve seen some cute asians though! lol

@Raquel 26

You seem pretty upset.

:drool: @ TIP

@SYBIL

Damn you fine.

he is lookin hot

raquel 26, thats just not true, booboo, black men LOVE black women, hel, we just like ALL women though….we don’t limit ourselves to just one category…

@ Man: rofltuihsdfowaef lmao

@ TX Chick: I’m a smartASS. That’s not the same as being smart, but I wish’t it was…

i wish that black women would date more outside of their race, because this is killing me. at the end of the day, race does not matter!!! we all bleed and die and are going to spend eternity in heaven or hell. please, try something that you haven’t before, you can find something good in all people, so don’t limit yourself!!! at the end of the day, you won’t have any regrets, what you want in a man could be in a white, black, asian, latin, african, guyanese or any type of man. us black men are not holding you back from exploring, trust me. because we are going to do us regardless. and it’s nothing wrong with that….no matter what you say…..

How is only dating your own race, limiting yourself?

Why do people feel dating other races is a “come-up” or some kind of an upgrade?

TI you look scrumptous as usual but man what image are you portraying? Two women on the cover, inside they look like they are about to get it on..WTF – you lost some serious cool points with me and for this Tiny should kick ya ass! Have some respect for your wife the mother of your children, your children and yourself…

@NINA KNOWS
“But I’m still sticking with my black men…”
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thank you

@ Nina

Yeah, isn’t it funny how a coon always assumes that weave and fake nails is a black thing. There are PLENTY of non-black women who do it. Newsflash: Britney, Paris, Kim K, CoCo all weare WEAVES… and in Britney’s case, bad ones!

those women are fine, no denying that. They look like they ain’t all black though.

@ RAQUEL 26!!!

I FEEL YOU GIRL! KEEP THE SWIRL ALIVE!!!

Oh, and not to mention that black women get dissed for weave, but at my college (predomintaley white southern university) it was nearly IMPOSSIBLE to find a white girl without implants and a tan. I don’t care what anyone says, white women are THE most made-up artificial women in the world. They wear more make-up and have more surgeries than any other race. And last time I checked, a weave is not permanent or deadly like surgery or tanning is.

I went to school with the girl on the left and she is Black…her parents are black…and no she aint got no Indian up in her either. lol I don’t necessarily like the pic…i think it’s tasteless especially since you only get a couple hundred for these shots anyway. But that’s what sells…unfortunately.

@ BE
Because JD’s Revenge is obviously too dumb to stick to the issue.

@ NINA KNOWS!

I TOTALLY UNDERSTAND YOUR POINT…DON’T EVEN RESPOND TO JD’S REVENGE. HE’S OBVIOUSLY UNHAPPY WITH HIMSELF AND HIS PEOPLE.

THE NAME CALLING IS SOOOOO OVERARTED GUYS!

t.i. is lookin good!!

@C’Mon Black People
“Oh, and not to mention that black women get dissed for weave, but at my college (predomintaley white southern university) it was nearly IMPOSSIBLE to find a white girl without implants and a tan. I don’t care what anyone says, white women are THE most made-up artificial women in the world. They wear more make-up and have more surgeries than any other race. And last time I checked, a weave is not permanent or deadly like surgery or tanning is.”
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Do you think you are taking the “weave” comment a little TOO “personally?”

You know what is so funny. I am a dark skin african american female yes african american not black and I rarely watch bet because I rarely see any representation of me isn’t that funny. I watch other networks and I see more representation

Is anyone really surprised by this cover? Come on, look at the featured topics on the magazine. It’s a sex magazine and not meant to stimulate anyone intellectually. If you want something with substance you have to keep searching. Magazines like this aren’t going anywhere. That’s like wishing the strip clubs away. It will never happen. Personally, I like TI, but this shyt is a turn off. As far as there not being a black woman on the cover, I don’t really care because at the end of the day it would just be one more sista reducing herself to tits and ass just to be the flavor of the month.

@man I just dont care:

Honestly? Just a tad. I’m not hating black men, its just that if I can be desirable to another man who isnt black, then why not date him if he is up to my standards?

I would love to marry a black man and raise black children, but it seems to me that we arent the women they want anymore.

So it seems.

@ Man, I just don’t care
Nah. I just think that it is a very played out argument. Don’t get me wrong, I’ve had a weave before. I’ve had braids. I’ve even owned a wig. Hair is an accessory. I just find it funny that black men focus on that more than something way more serious like fake lips, fake tits, fake asses, and cancerous skin.

@ JD’s Revenge
There is a way to make a point without sounding like a 3rd grader… but I guess you’d have to have a point first.

“getting by, getting laid and getting paid”

THE ULTIMATE BALCK MANS MOTTO: SMDH

@Marquis:

Ain’t it though! lol

Kidding.

I know I probably over exaggerated in that post. And this wasnt going towards all black men, either. I guess, just the ones that I have come into contact with and have had conversations with.
You’d be surprised.

But no….I dont dress up in the Aunt Jemina get-up. Actually, I make him wear old slave master clothing and make him tell me all the things that white people have done wrong to each and every race they stole, lied, and enslaved from.

All while eating the _____! Its great!

@Raquel26

Girlfriend I feel you totally on alot of points you made however all brothers don’t feel that way. I am open to different races as well but its more of a character issue for me rather than color. Yes my 1st preference is a brother because I love their lips bottoms and shared experiences but when it comes down to it respecting me is what does it. Don’t let people change you because of their personal hang ups, stay true to yourself regardless or you may miss out on a brother due to prejudging.

@ woe

I don’t blame you. I’m not even dark and I get pissed off watching BET.

@RAQUEL 26
“Honestly? Just a tad. I’m not hating black men, its just that if I can be desirable to another man who isnt black, then why not date him if he is up to my standards?

I would love to marry a black man and raise black children, but it seems to me that we arent the women they want anymore.

So it seems.”
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Oh. Ok.

“Sometimes things aren’t what they seem.”

@C’MON BLACK PEOPLE
“Nah. I just think that it is a very played out argument. Don’t get me wrong, I’ve had a weave before. I’ve had braids. I’ve even owned a wig. Hair is an accessory. I just find it funny that black men focus on that more than something way more serious like fake lips, fake tits, fake asses, and cancerous skin”
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Yeah, some black men focus on weave more than surgery. But apparently surgery isn’t as “serious” to them. “Serious” is a relative term.

“…I would love to marry a black man and raise black children, but it seems to me that we arent the women they want anymore.”

@ Raquel 26

This isn’t true. I can’t judge you on who you date or ultimately raise a family with but don’t “jump ship” based on that theory. You just need to find the right Black man. We don’t all think like that…..at least the Brothas I know.

@Syd:

GIRL!! This is what I’m talking about!!! I’ve been saying this for years! Let me know…..I got me a nice camera and I can set up auditions and take pics and send them to ya!

And our magazine would have brothas of ALL shades. lol

@Illuminate Truth:

I feel you. Its hard not to categorize, but then I would be stupid because not all black men (and people for that matter) are alike. But it does get upsetting at times!

I love my black men as well, and ultimately, I will probably be with a black man. I’m just tired of sifting, and sifting, and sifting…….:(

Brothas who marry black women go further in their careers. If Puff got some sense he’d marry his baby momma Kim & he’ll see how his ambition of becoming a serious actor will flurish.

Black men beating their chests hollering about being “Kings & Gods of the Earth” w/ non-sistas by their sides look ridiculous to the rest of the world.

@Raquel26

All people of quality have to sift, it mean that you have standards. Just have patience, pick up a hobby or something : )

@MANHATTAN
“JD> Ugly is defined by features NOT color of skin! if u made Jermaine Dupri’s face light skinned he’d still be an Ugly Mutha Chuka!!!”
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Um…. when did the definition of “ugly” get so specific?

I thought people could include whatever they want when determining whether something was ugly or not.

@Illuminate Truth… wow, brotha we need more like you!!

Dating as it pertains to the black male as become a point of status in society……Black men who have “made it” or on the verge *not all but some* tend to date mixed females or in some cases white females its like a symbol of some sort….and out of it can result in true love but for the most part IMO its just a ploy. Anyways I think that features do play apart in it…..as well * note to men white girls do where weaves* as a matter of fact everyone does…..who desires a certain look… Faboulous made the lil comment in the magazine about who has the more flatter stomach and toned body….

Me myself i’m not opposed to dating outside my race but it won’t be because he has blue eyes or something it would be because I like him

@man, I just dont care

Maybe our “definitions” of “showing love” are just different. Do you think it could be that?
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Of course it is… that why that’s my perception and my opinion. I choose to “show love” to black men at all cost. Now if black men dont wanna do the same, ok, that’s on them.

I do what I want because I see fit too, for every black man that’s not really into black women, there’s always one that is… so I dont worry about it. It is kinda uneasy to understand at times, but it is what it is.

@ Man, I just don’t care

Now, c’mon bruh. Cutting yourself open and injecting foreign objects into your body or melting your skin in the sun (which is also why whites age so bad) is more SERIOUS than putting on a wig by any definition. You are reaching.

Someone mentioned the Real Chance at Love & the way I see it is those idiots are mental morons the 2 of them cornballs together couldn’t add up to one man of distinction!

Sistas: Sometimes u have to look at the source of where this black hate comes from. Only low class clown brothas like JD Revenge ect. believes in this foolishness —- AS LONG AS SMART EDUCATED HANDSOME DIGNIFIED brothas like PRESIDENT OBAMA sees the beauty class intelligence & benefits having a real sista like MICHELLE on his arm….. I’m SOO GOOD!!

With that being said> I’m Ghost! Sistas I advise yall to do the same cuz you can not argue with a mental midget> You’ll Never Win!!!

@ man I just dont care Thanks

But Blk women REAlly are the most beautiful, the problem is the Media doesnt display us in that light… Personally I think its jealously. For instance if you c a blk women on the cover of a mag she is Flawless, but a white women can b average or belwow average n grace many covers.. Smh im not brainwashed I know we the BEST.;)

Im single N lookin.. HOlla lol

@ Nina Knows

Thanks boo, but there are plenty more. I don’t see myself as the exception as much as the rule. When many people post on here about Black men looking outside their race for a supposed “come up”, they often refer to the (many) celebrities that do, but of ALL people I wish they wouldn’t present them as the poster children for Black men. Their reality is not mine. There are real Brothas doing real things that admire the beauty of a Black woman and appreciate what only SHE could give him…….because at the end of the day beauty is NOT skin deep……it comes from within.

@C’MON BLACK PEOPLE
“Now, c’mon bruh. Cutting yourself open and injecting foreign objects into your body or melting your skin in the sun (which is also why whites age so bad) is more SERIOUS than putting on a wig by any definition. You are reaching”
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Surgery more “serious” than a wig….. maybe from a physical health stand point because health can be determined from a measurable stand point.

But the wig vs implants is being referenced for the sake of “beauty.” Which we all know is in the eye of the beholder…

@SYBIL
“But Blk women REAlly are the most beautiful, the problem is the Media doesnt display us in that light… Personally I think its jealously. For instance if you c a blk women on the cover of a mag she is Flawless, but a white women can b average or belwow average n grace many covers.. Smh im not brainwashed I know we the BEST.;)”
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Oh, you are preaching to the choir babe. I think SOME black women takes the media WAAAAAAY too seriously when it comes to how they THINK black men view them.

The vast majority of black men marry black women and it has always been that way.

Don’t be talkin bout “I’m single and lookin. HOLLA” cause you just might hear me yellin if you tune in.

Here are some facts from the book, “The Black Image in the White Mind,” which looks at the portrayal of black men and women in the media, versus white men and women. Please pardon the length:

“The Black Image in the White Mind” – a wonderful book and multiple award winner, written by Robert M. Entman and Andrew Rojecki, discusses the effects of life in a segregated society. It offers a comprehensive look at the intricate and subtle racial patterns in the mass media and discusses how these powerful images play a significant role in shaping the attitudes of Whites toward Blacks. White Americans, they show, learn about African Americans not through personal relationships, but through the images shown by the media. In addition, they reveal a subtle pattern of images that communicates a racial hierarchy (with Whites on top) and promotes a sense of difference and conflict.

Entman and Rojecki illustrate how the television news focus on black poverty and crime is grossly out of proportion with the reality of black life, how use of black ‘experts’ is limited to ‘black-themed’ issues, and how ‘black politics’ are often distorted in the news. In short, they conclude that although there are more images of African-Americans on television now than ever, these images are often harmful to the prospect of unity between the races.

A brief summary of some of their findings are listed below:

A mug shot of a Black defendant is 4 times more likely to appear in a local television news report than of a White defendant

The accused is 2 times more likely to be shown physically restrained in a local television news report than when the accused is White

The name of the accused is 2 times more likely to be shown on screen in a local TV news report if the defendant is Black, rather than White

“Telegenic” figures aren’t always the most representative leaders though they are presented as if they were. Some statistics from 1994:

40% of Black adults stated that Jesse Jackson represents Black people “very well”

Only 11% of Black adults stated that Louis Farrakhan represents Black people “very well”

22% of Black adults stated they had “never heard of” Louis Farrakhan

Stories about, or soundbites from, Jesse Jackson on ABC World News: 13 versus stories about, or soundbites from, Louis Farrakhan on ABC World News: 25

The media sowed discord during the affirmative action debate of the 1990s despite the considerable common ground between Blacks and Whites. Reporters often predicted affirmative action would be one of the key issues in the 1996 election because of the “rage” among Whites.

A mere 1% percent of survey respondents named affirmative action as their top priority in voting against a presidential candidate

61% percent of White men (“angry” or not) favored affirmative action programs as is or with reforms

76% percent of White women favored affirmative action programs as is or with reforms

Somehow only 12.5% percent of White “persons on the street” were shown to support affirmative action in a sample of network news, while the percentage shown to oppose was 87.5%

While Black actors are now more visible in films, it is an open question as to how well they are being represented. Compare, for example, how Blacks and Whites are portrayed in the top movies of 1996.

Black female movie characters shown using vulgar profanity: 89%

White female movie characters shown using vulgar profanity: 17%

Black female movie characters shown being physically violent: 56%

White female movie characters shown being physically violent: 11%

Black female movie characters shown being restrained: 55%

White female movie characters shown being restrained: 6%

@Sydney:

I liked that! Way to educate the people. From everyday experiences, I’ve noticed most of this stuff. It’s good to kinda get a feel for what other people think (statistically).

@SYDNEY

Oh, we are in agreement with the portrayl of blacks in relation to whites and how that effects perception.

The question is whether the “portrayl” of black women has an effect on the dating habits of black men.

black women is beautiful, ” the most beautifuliest thing in ths world” *in my keith murray voice* the come in all shades unlike other nationalities. i don’t think black men choose white women or latins asians over black women, it’s just like raquel26 said she get’s more respect from other nationalities, if you have bad experiences with black women you try something else what’s the difference between her giving up on brothers opposed to brothers giving up on sisters? Me personally i have know color line if she treats me like i want to be treated and up to the standards i require i want chose race over love, luckily i have a beautiful black woman for 2 yrs. so far so good…jmo

They are both pretty but the chinese one looks like she used to be a mand when she was younger

*man* ^^^

and to sydney, it is limiting your options, black people can be a preference, but it’s not all that’s out there either. now if you want to only date black men, that’s whats up. i’m not mad, but i’m telling you, gold doesn’t just come in black wrapping. so please, QUIT LIMITING YOUR PREFERNCES!!! THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE DOING, NO MATTER HOW YOU LOOK AT IT….

@ Syd

Nice post. I love numbers……they paint a vivid picture and don’t lie.

@Man

“The question is whether the “portrayl” of black women has an effect on the dating habits of black men.”

Let’s start with the visions of beauty of black women in popular culture. It’s no secret that a number of us are conditioned to think that blackness is somehow inferior or unattractive. Thus, some feel — subconsciously in some cases — that a darker-toned woman, for example, is less desireable than a lighter-toned woman. I think someone mentioned the impact of music videos earlier, and I see the effects of colorism clearly in the steady stream of women who look like carbon copies.

If you’re a person who lacks a sense of social/cultural conditioning, there’s no question that the constant bombarding of certain “types” as beautiful is bound to affect your own perception of what’s pretty or what’s not.

People other than African Americans are also impacted by the Eurocentric view of beauty. There are Asian women who have surgery performed on their eyes to make them larger, African women who use skin iighteners, and Latinas who view themselves as unattractive if they have a darker skin tone.

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Hi Raquel26, Illuminate

@Talley-B

“QUIT LIMITING YOUR PREFERNCES!!! THAT IS WHAT YOU ARE DOING, NO MATTER HOW YOU LOOK AT IT….”

That’s what I’m trying to explain you — You, as a man, may view it as “limiting,” but a number of sisters do not. They see everything they want and desire in their black brothers. They want to marry a man like their father who will share a common heritage and struggle. To these women, the reverse may be true — It would be consider “limiting” to date men of other races because the bond would be weaker and the understanding would not be the same. It’s not about being anti-white, anti-Asian, or what have you, it’s about being with the mate who best reflects you.

@ sydney

i feel where you coming from.

@SYDNEY
“We know that Eurocentric society doesn’t view us as “beautiful,” but when we feel that brothers echo that same thought, suddenly, it seems the whole world has turned against us. In the past, through the worst tide of Jim Crow and discrimination, brothers and sisters had each other for support and validation.

It’s not that I think the sister who rails against black men hates them — I think, she, in fact, loves them and feels some deeper emotion that is not being adequately or appropriately expressed.

I hope this makes sense.”
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No, it makes a lot of sense to me.

I think the problem is this “when we feel that brothers echo that same thought.” Only individuals can control or change how they “feel” about something. I’m glad you put numbers up in a previous post. Again, the majority of black men date and marry black women.

Why are black women so sensitive to the thoughts and actions of so few black men??????

It’s funny you think the sister that “rails” agaisnt black men “in fact loves them” and has not “appropriatley expressed” it. Don’t you think the same can be said for some of the brothers on here that make detrimental comments about black women?

When I hear brothers say “we don’t care if you date outside, in fact, we encourage it,” I hear, we don’t really want you, so do what you want. That’s why there’s this visceral reaction that often turns a discussion into a vitriolic argument in which nothing is resolved.

Men and women communicate differently — When a sister says “brothers don’t support us,” what she means is that she wants to be told and shown by black men that they truly love us.

We’re putting each other on the defensive when the lines of communication could flow more smoothly.

At least that’s my take.

@Man

“Why are black women so sensitive to the thoughts and actions of so few black men??????”

Because it feels that it comes from more than a “few” black men, and perhaps there aren’t enough positive comments to counter the negativity. When a certain poster goes off on one of her tirades, I’ve noticed that more than one sister quickly jumps in to oppose her statements. I think some sisters would like the same defense struck in their favor when they’re the target of negative generalizations.

“It’s funny you think the sister that “rails” agaisnt black men “in fact loves them” and has not “appropriatley expressed” it. Don’t you think the same can be said for some of the brothers on here that make detrimental comments about black women?”

Yes, I definitely think there are some brothers on here who feel that they have been wronged by sisters in some way, and their anger is indicative of a deeper emotion. I know some men tend to use anger as a mask for pain (as do some women).

I think I’ve ststed on this board before that if we — meaning black men and women — hated each other so much, we would’t converse at all. We wouldn’t care what the other thought or said. We care because we care about each other.

@snoop bloggy blog

“@ sydney

i feel where you coming from.”

Good, I hope this makes some sense.

TI got that yung berg mentatality

I am so tired of women being portrayed as pieces of azz all the time. Damn put your clothes on ladies! I bet the whole world must think black women’s wardrobes consist of just bra’s panties and swimwear. geez

@SYDNEY
“Let’s start with the visions of beauty of black women in popular culture. It’s no secret that a number of us are conditioned to think that blackness is somehow inferior or unattractive. Thus, some feel — subconsciously in some cases — that a darker-toned woman, for example, is less desireable than a lighter-toned woman. I think someone mentioned the impact of music videos earlier, and I see the effects of colorism clearly in the steady stream of women who look like carbon copies.

If you’re a person who lacks a sense of social/cultural conditioning, there’s no question that the constant bombarding of certain “types” as beautiful is bound to affect your own perception of what’s pretty or what’s not.

People other than African Americans are also impacted by the Eurocentric view of beauty. There are Asian women who have surgery performed on their eyes to make them larger, African women who use skin iighteners, and Latinas who view themselves as unattractive if they have a darker skin tone.”
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Um…. ok. Skin whitening didn’t start with the dominance of the European contintent. Think of the Asian “Geisha” girls. Women of the middle east have been using hydroquinone since before European arrived as well.

Do you think anything can be “universally” attractive? (universally is debatable)

*stated* Please pardon the typos

@Talley-B

“it’s not always the case that when a black man is with another race, that he deosn’t have love for his on kind. that’s not even logical….”

But, you know, there are brothers — and some sisters — who deliberately, and actively, reject their “own kind.”

There are also brothers and sisters who find genuine love with individuals who happen to be a different race, and I wish happiness to anyone who finds it. But when a person feels the need to demean members of his/her own race to justify his/her choice, that’s where the conflict ensues. If a man says he dates white women because he thinks black women are uattractive and unruly (and has no problem publicizing it), that speaks to a deeper issue. The same goes for sisters. And this could all stem from a place of hurt, and, in that case, there should be a recognition and focus on healing. Because if you’re not a whole person emotionally, how can you be the best mate for anyone, regardless of race?

I just wanted to add that I think dark skin is hottt. On men and women.

Oh shay shay, you know that is not really me.

I will put the one of me up if it is in popular demand though.

And going back to the convo, I also wanted to note that even as a young – white – girl I remember in movies featuring a black man as the lead, such as Eddie Murphy, he always falls for a very light-skinned woman. This always made me wonder.

Ok, falling back now…

CHICK ON THE RIGHT LOOK LIKE MY BESTIE NANCY..BUT DAMN TI SO IF I SEE U ON THE ROAD THEN….

Oshie – freak ho freak ho touch your knees to your elbows

its…

Bounce ya ass let ya knees touch ya elbows…that is all I have to say…that is if that was the Master P version….

*unattractive*

@Man

“Um…. ok. Skin whitening didn’t start with the dominance of the European contintent. Think of the Asian “Geisha” girls. Women of the middle east have been using hydroquinone since before European arrived as well.

Do you think anything can be “universally” attractive? (universally is debatable)”

Skin whitening may not have started with European dominance, but the Eurocentric standard of beauty certainly plays into the decision of a number of women to physically alter their appearance. I also read a news article recently about the prolific use of lighter-toned models in advertising in India. Those with lighter skin are considered to be more attractive.

“Do you think anything can be “universally” attractive? (universally is debatable)”

Interesting question. I don’t know if there’s any “universal” characteristic of beauty, but I do think the Eurocetric standards is considered dominant, i.e. lighter skin, thinner nose, hair of a certain length and texture, etc. And popular culture reflects these images — Most romantic leads in movies/TV shows are white women.

Going back to the media study numbers posted above, not only are black women not as visible in popular media as models of beauty — The images that do exist are overwhelmingly negative, i.e. the loud sister who uses coarse language and displays unladylike behavior.

Hey Shay!

@Osh

“And going back to the convo, I also wanted to note that even as a young – white – girl I remember in movies featuring a black man as the lead, such as Eddie Murphy, he always falls for a very light-skinned woman. This always made me wonder.”

LOL, in this case, it may be art imitating life — or maybe the reverse — because, as long as I can recall, Eddie has always dated mostly lighter-skinned women. And, yes, most of his romantic leads were of a certain complexion — but he’s not the only one. I think Denzel is one of the few actors I’ve seen with black women of varying hues.

The problem with ‘some’ black men/women is that they hold their spouses accountable for their relationship failures, instead of taking responsibility themselves as well. They don’t extirpate/eradicate past, subjective experiences; some take these pessimistic, mental and physiological thoughts into new relationships, rather than dealing with their frustrations and severely, deep wounds. The key is learning how to alleviate/mitigate pains before becoming involved with the next significant other. This could result in a healthy, lasting relationship, and an interpersonal connection.

Then there’s the self-loathing black man that acts as if he’s suffering from extreme need or anxiety to be noticed by people of other races, rather than his own. They look in the mirror and hate their visible reflections, so, they deviate from women that have similar physical attributes that they do indeed possess, and intense hostility proceeds or arises, resulting in the abasement/vitiation amongst their counterparts. They also define pulchritude as European features (nose, hair, eyes, etc.), and anything other than this is unacceptable, not prominent, and spurious in their own eyes. My tolerance level is extremely low for self-abhorring individuals.

Nina Knows (What’s up?)

‘But if your black and dont find other blacks of the opposite sex attractive, I find that to be a little disturbing. If a black man is digusted by black women, what does he think of his mother or black women in his family?’

My mom doesn’t have any daughters, and I wonder how she would feel if my brother and I were intolerant of black women, but that’s definitely not happening. I definitely agree with you.

Sydney (What’s up?)

‘When I hear brothers say “we don’t care if you date outside, in fact, we encourage it,” I hear, we don’t really want you, so do what you want. That’s why there’s this visceral reaction that often turns a discussion into a vitriolic argument in which nothing is resolved.’

That’s exactly what it is.

“LOL, in this case, it may be art imitating life — or maybe the reverse — because, as long as I can recall, Eddie has always dated mostly lighter-skinned women. And, yes, most of his romantic leads were of a certain complexion — but he’s not the only one. I think Denzel is one of the few actors I’ve seen with black women of varying hues.”

Johnny Gill isn’t that light skinned.

Illuminate Truth

‘Johnny Gill isn’t that light skinned.’

LOLOL.

*Take care people. I’m out.

“LOL, in this case, it may be art imitating life — or maybe the reverse — because, as long as I can recall, Eddie has always dated mostly lighter-skinned women. And, yes, most of his romantic leads were of a certain complexion — but he’s not the only one. I think Denzel is one of the few actors I’ve seen with black women of varying hues.”

Johnny Gill isn’t that light skinned
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@ illuminate truth

LMFAO, you wrong fam ( can’t stop laughing)

@ Talley-B

I was posting as Come on Black People because the site was trippin for a second. lol

I am not crying woe is me for a second. I am currently in a relationship with a beautiful black man (my pookie bear). But I do see that in there is something up in the black community. Yes, the majority of black men marry black women and vice versa. But the staggering statistic that black men are involved in over 70% of interracial marriages in the US and that the likelihood of a black man marrying outside his race increases with his SES is disturbing. The fact that so many black media outlets (magazines, ads, videos) feature women with european features is disturbing. NO other race or culture shows a PREFERENCE for others… why is that?

LMAO @ Illuminate

Eddie’s going to get you for that! *two snaps in a circle*

@Film

“The problem with ‘some’ black men/women is that they hold their spouses accountable for their relationship failures, instead of taking responsibility themselves as well. They don’t extirpate/eradicate past, subjective experiences; some take these pessimistic, mental and physiological thoughts into new relationships, rather than dealing with their frustrations and severely, deep wounds. The key is learning how to alleviate/mitigate pains before becoming involved with the next significant other. This could result in a healthy, lasting relationship, and an interpersonal connection.”

Agreed — You can’t take the “ghosts” into a new relationship, and if you’re feeling the pangs of unresolved emotions, it’s time to address those residual feelings. Or the perfect time to listen closely to Erykah’s “Bag Lady.” Pack light. . .

@Oshie

Have you heard of the house slave vs. field slave paradigm?

@Illuminate Truth

hahhahahahahahaahahahahaha

@ Nina

“If a black man is digusted by black women, what does he think of his mother or black women in his family?”

That’s what I want to know, too. And how do the moms and sisters react to a black male in their family who primarily dates outside his race?

@Illuminate Truth… damn that was funny, who knew you were a comedian! lol

nina knows,

first off, i never actually said that you said any of the stuff, YOU need to go back and read. and it’s nothing wrong with liking physical features, but i never said that was the only thing that i like, so please stop being so ignorant and taking my words out of context. thank you….now move along, dumbass

@ Sydney: No but I can figure it out by it’s title.

You can take that perspective but you can also take dark skin to represent vitality and health. Dark skin = more melanin = better muscle tone and skin tone. Scientific fact.

I don’t know. I’m going to fall back on this one. Again…

*falling back*

When it all comes down to it, it more about superficalality. Mindless people tend to follow trends rather than critically thinking and evaluating their choices and options. If mixed asian and multiracial women are the trend, then the mindless individual will go for that rather then getting to know the person. They have no true self definition or distinction. The black men magazine are no dummies they realize that what’s marketable sells. It’s sad that they are capalizing off of ignorant and socially unconscious indiviuals to make bucks. But hey that is capitalism. I mean you couldn’t sell these magazines to people who critical evaulate life because they would have so many questions for why this and why that is on the cover. My thing is not get angry but become aware and eduacate the masses

and to sydney…
i said that it’s not always the case, i was trying to leave the room for the people that actually do date outside of their race becuause they don’t like black folks. so i’m on the same page….

@SYDNEY
“Going back to the media study numbers posted above, not only are black women not as visible in popular media as models of beauty — The images that do exist are overwhelmingly negative, i.e. the loud sister who uses coarse language and displays unladylike behavior”
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Ok. …. and because of this negative portrayl it has effected….what?

@ Talley B

“Do I think that “society” has influenced black men not to appreciate black beauty? they attempted and failed”

How do you figure? Looks to me like they did a damn good job. Are you seriously saying that our culture does not value lighter, brighter, european features, and “good hair”?

@OCTAVIA
“How do you figure? Looks to me like they did a damn good job. Are you seriously saying that our culture does not value lighter, brighter, european features, and “good hair”?”
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Do some in our culture (as other cultures do as well) value “brighter skin” and “good hair?” Yes.

Yet the same culture still overwhelming date and marry each other and considered being called “white” an insult.

Haha whats all the fuss for a magazine thats commonly found on the floor of bathroom stalls and dusty barbershops/salons every so often in county hospitals

octavia,

i didn’t say that comment, but however, i will answer it. we love black beauty, but like i said before, we appreciate ALL beauty…..whether the features are of another race or not. hell, if a alien came down here, and if she was on point, then we are going say that she’s on point. like i said earlier, we are not that difficult, we are simple. if we see something we like, we will admit that we like it…..

Oh heh and on base..

@Oshie

“Hollywood usually pairs a dark complected man with a light complected woman. It surely influences the way we perceive beauty, which is not as universal as you think.”

You’re right on both counts. Oprah actually did a very interresting show recently on how beauty is perceived across the world, and she talked with women about what is considered attractive in their countries. The beauty “tips” ranged from jewelry and other adornments to skin whitening and hair extensions (other countries, not the U.S.) to one country in Africa (I forgot the name) where overweight women are actually considered the most attractive, so women actually intentionally overeat to gain weight (I think this shocked everyone in the audience, including Oprah).

“You can take that perspective but you can also take dark skin to represent vitality and health. Dark skin = more melanin = better muscle tone and skin tone. Scientific fact.”

Oh, I don’t doubt this. You probably already heard the saying, “black doesn’t crack.”

On the history of house slaves and field slaves, this refers to the different classes of men and women during slavery. Slaves who worked in the fields were considered to be of lower status than slaves who worked in the house. House slaves tended to be the children of slave masters, which generated a sense of superiority that, centuries later, still affects color divisions within the black community.

Anyone care to add to this?

All I can say is Willie Lynch was on point….

We black women should really get out of the box. Majority of the men with power nad money are of anohter race or nationality.. we choose to keep chasing the same ole broke ass tired men ( not me my hubby is like that but ya know been there done that).

Upgrade your standards and eliminate race factor out the equation or keep walking around pissed.

@ Man, I just don’t care:
“Do some in our culture (as other cultures do as well) value “brighter skin” and “good hair?” Yes.

Yet the same culture still overwhelming date and marry each other and considered being called “white” an insult.”

Touche… UNTIL we get some money. When you look at the upper SES levels, you see sky-rocketing rates of interracial marriage.

Look, I’m not saying that ALL black men feel this way. I’m just saying that far too many do. The reason I’m pissed about this mag cover is that it is playing into the self-hate nonsense. I think all of us are guilty of letting our media play us against each other like this. So actually sent a letter to the editor by email. I also make a conscious effort to avoid shows and not support artists that promote this kinda nonsense (Yung Berg).

@ Talley
My bad. I thought that was yours.

@Man

“Do some in our culture (as other cultures do as well) value “brighter skin” and “good hair?” Yes.”

So conditioning has worked on a certain level in our community (I actually think many more brothers and sisters are affected by it than you may see).

““Going back to the media study numbers posted above, not only are black women not as visible in popular media as models of beauty — The images that do exist are overwhelmingly negative, i.e. the loud sister who uses coarse language and displays unladylike behavior”
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Ok. …. and because of this negative portrayl it has effected….what?”

Brother, are you saying that the negative portrayal of black women hasn’t seeped into our daily lives and perceptions? I’m going to refer you to some of the posts on this very blog.

Heck, Michelle Obama had to battle the “Angry Black Woman” label during the campaign, and she wasn’t even running for office. Cindy McCain has much more dirt on her — and it has been reported in the past — yet Michelle, an Ivy League grad, wife, and mother who has never made waves in the national press before, was demonized.

Im of a lighter overall skin tone, but my dick got a whole lot of melanine….

@Talley-B

“and to sydney…
i said that it’s not always the case, i was trying to leave the room for the people that actually do date outside of their race becuause they don’t like black folks. so i’m on the same page….”

Gotcha. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

if you define beauty off videos, mags,etc you are narrow minded, when i was in kindergarten i knew my likes and dislikes and sesame street had nothing to do with it. Yeah you subject to see a black man with a white woman more than a black woman with a white man, but it’s still a small percentage. black love haven’t died

Lord have mercy, Redd. . .*SMH*

@I Love My Dark Kin

“How black men are going to criticize a sista with nappy hair but down her because she is going to get a weave!!! But when aw hite girl is having cornrows, I don’t see nobody talking!”

I actually wanted to get into the weave issue, and you brougt up a point that was mulling around in my mind. I think some sisters invest in hair extensions because they have been conditioned to — and told — that men find long hair attractive.

Since you’re in Europe, can you share more of your experiences? You’re not the first sister I’ve heard say that a brother told her that he was attracted to her as an “exception.”

@ redd
lmao, u burnt out

Both of those chicks are mediocre at best. the one on the left looks like Dollicia Bryant and the other one just looks asian, not a pretty asian girl, just an asian girl. I am as un-impressed as TI looks in the picture.

@ sydney
true, and this is perpetuated by the media. casting directors will only cast dark skinned models if they are requested, otherwise they go for the stereotypical european watered down appearance we see above. But if they had a couple of sisters who looked like Serena, there would be nothing but complaints. Yung Berg is doing a Flavor of Love type reality show, were he has requested casting mostly brown and dark skinned models, he go so much flack about his dark butt comments, he’s trying to make mends. So why a lot of people think speaking up about it is jealousy or whatever, I think it is important, otherwise nothing changes and people accept that as beauty when there are so many more exotic examples of black beauty, but hey I haven’t seen the inside of the magazine they may have everything from bi-racial black and asian beauties to blue black amazon stallions. It’s all about education. Here in Cali, LA is hella color struck, Oakland not at all and in Sacramento you better be only half black, lol.

Dang, I forgot to tell Film that the self-loathing among some black men — and the impact on their relationships with black women — he described was described in Nathan McCall’s book, Makes Me Wanna Holler. In essense, he said some black men hate black women because they hate themselves.

Nina Knows

I’ve actually met more self-loathing black men than black women. But, I unerstand where you’re coming from. This situation does exist in our community between both black men and black women.

Sydney

Bag lady you gon hurt your back, draggin all them bags like that.

Redd

What’s up, man!

*Be easy, everyone.

understand. TYPO

I see your post, Sydney.

@Octavia
“Touche… UNTIL we get some money. When you look at the upper SES levels, you see sky-rocketing rates of interracial marriage.

Look, I’m not saying that ALL black men feel this way. I’m just saying that far too many do. The reason I’m pissed about this mag cover is that it is playing into the self-hate nonsense. I think all of us are guilty of letting our media play us against each other like this. So actually sent a letter to the editor by email. I also make a conscious effort to avoid shows and not support artists that promote this kinda nonsense (Yung Berg).”
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Ok. To play “devil’s advocate” did you hear the “entire” infamous Yung Berg interview? His comments were made after the interviewer referred to him as “lite bright.”

Was his response ridiculous? Yes. Do I think that he truly believes them? No, just an emotional response. Again, not an excuse cause it was as ridiculous as the day is long.

As far as the “self hate”…. maybe. How do you “define” “self hate?” Everytime a woman of another race/culture is appreciated by men they are accused of “self hate.”

Now, for the magazine… are you familiar with the magazine? I assure you there are plenty of representations of dark women in that magazine on a regular basis.

Nina knows

i said that YOU were narrow-minded booboo, i know what i said…
and nothing about me is bithcy, i just like to express my opinion…:-)

@blaq

“But if they had a couple of sisters who looked like Serena, there would be nothing but complaints.”

So true, so true. I’ve seen some of the most vicious comments on this blog attached to her, even referring to her as a “gorilla” (and this is a black blog — we are ALL referred to as gorillas and God knows what else on other blogs).

I don’t know what kind of amends Yung Berg can make by casting black models for yet another show that inevitably going to depict sisters in a negative light. This seems to be another train wreck in the making, and if the recent comments attributed to him are true, he’s just as colorstruck as before, so nothing has changed.

@SYDNEY
“Brother, are you saying that the negative portrayal of black women hasn’t seeped into our daily lives and perceptions? I’m going to refer you to some of the posts on this very blog.

Heck, Michelle Obama had to battle the “Angry Black Woman” label during the campaign, and she wasn’t even running for office. Cindy McCain has much more dirt on her — and it has been reported in the past — yet Michelle, an Ivy League grad, wife, and mother who has never made waves in the national press before, was demonized.”
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Do these portrayls effect on us on a daily basis? yes.

Do these portrayls cause black men to “exclusively” date “non-black” women? No, not even close.

@Film

“I’ve actually met more self-loathing black men than black women.”

Interesting — Any thoughts on why this may be the case?

can someone define self hate 2 me?

if a black woman get a weave, is that self hate?
if a white woman/man get tans, is that self hate?
when black men/woman perm their hair is that self hate?
ppl define self hate

What up Film!

@SHAY SHAY
What’s your opinion?

I’m sorry but that Asian girl on the right looks like she could be a trans gendered male. I am a dark skinned beautiful Black/Korean young woman and I am bad…Black Men Mag should have called me…lol

Men like some color with that…do not be fooled black women

Sydney!
I remember you! In france where i live, there is a very alarming rate of interracial couples. I say alaming because i barely see a black man whith a black woman! They are either with a arabian girl (from marrocco or algeria) or a white girl or a mixed girl! So they just say that black girls are cute but they are played out lol!Or they say that we have a lot of character! a strong personnality! But just look at the women they are with! HUGGGGGG! Because beautiful non black woman date rich white men! obviously! I think we migh as well be the only race where the woman is stronger than the men!SO trong that they cannot take us anymore! Talk about a blessing! On the other hand, black woman are dating white men like crazy too! I used to think they were softer, more caring and loyal! i was so wrong! a d*ck is a d*ck

@Man

“Do these portrayls cause black men to “exclusively” date “non-black” women? No, not even close.”

But I’m trying to get you to see that these portrayals do affect the perceptions of some black men who choose to date non-black women exclusively. Not everyone has the same level of cultural awareness or the discernment to know that media images and reality are separate.

Case in point, on the blog I mentioned earlier on interracial dating, one brother, married to a white woman, said he took him years of weaning himself off television images to discover that there were beautiful black women. He wasn’t initially drawn to them. He said he had a barber (married to a Latina) who said the only thing black he wanted was a Cadillac.

These deep-rooted feelings are real, and they do, indeed, exist and affect some men’s (and women’s) dating patterns.

@SNOOP
“can someone define self hate 2 me?

if a black woman get a weave, is that self hate?
if a white woman/man get tans, is that self hate?
when black men/woman perm their hair is that self hate?
ppl define self hate”
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That’s what I asked at 3:22pm.

I don’t think I have ever heard “self hate” defined, either explicitly or by example, as you mentioned them above.

@ blaq & Syndey…. Hey blaq glad you came in..lol

going with what plays in videos… I agree. And I want your opinion on this. Should we hold some of that blame if not all on our brothas that are the artist. They do have the power to let them know there is not enough representation of black women in their videos.

Just like this cover… I can see a young black man in his teens to thinks TI is the greatest. He likes what TI likes. TI is on this cover with two non-black women, okay barely black women. It is safe to say this is subliminally pumping images to our teens/young adults? Now we as adults know that this is a image and it sells magazines. But what about what it’s teaching. This is where these sterotypes and prefrences start from, isnt it? or what you do smart ladies think!

@SYDNEY
“But I’m trying to get you to see that these portrayals do affect the perceptions of some black men who choose to date non-black women exclusively. Not everyone has the same level of cultural awareness or the discernment to know that media images and reality are separate.

Case in point, on the blog I mentioned earlier on interracial dating, one brother, married to a white woman, said he took him years of weaning himself off television images to discover that there were beautiful black women. He wasn’t initially drawn to them. He said he had a barber (married to a Latina) who said the only thing black he wanted was a Cadillac.

These deep-rooted feelings are real, and they do, indeed, exist and affect some men’s (and women’s) dating patterns.”
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Ok. Now the question lies, to “what degree does this effect marriage/dating patterns?” in light of the fact most blacks marry/date other blacks.

Another point to be made is that the “media” is influenced by “society” as well. In the words of Barack “You can put lipstick on a pig….”

That whole “Art immitatting life and life immitatting art” as far as how they influence each other.

@I love my dark kin

Wow. . .You said a lot! A friend of mine told me that when she visited London, she could count on one hand — if that — the number of black couples she saw.

So the black men in France say that sisters have a lot of “character?” So we’re in the same spot on opposite sides of the Atlantic, lol.

Isn’t that something?

@ i love my dark kin
how do you figure the black woman is stronger than the black man?

It’s a damn shame you don’t see beautiful dark skinned black women on covers anymore! Who to blame? None but ourselves. We do this to ourselves when we say things like she “black and ugly”. Ugly cross racial lines but black do not!

Are light skin brothas still in ladies?

Did Obama bring us back, cuz I been getting a lot of good looks lately

is it fair to say black males/black females get a bad wrap when it come to the media portraying us? is it part of their plan? b/c i see black men and black women disrespecting eachother all the time on here.

@Redd Tony
“Are light skin brothas still in ladies?

Did Obama bring us back, cuz I been getting a lot of good looks lately”
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Damn dawg. I thought I was the only one that noticed. LOL.

YES WE CAN!!

@ snoop!
I don’t assume t. that is what some black men i know dare to tell me!! that we are dfficult to manage and are really opiniated! Obviously, the women of other races are not ! And i guess, a man wants to feel the boss but like my girl syleena said : “you wanna be the boss, you gotta pay the cost” These men I know straight up USE those non black woman!!! If they cannot manipulate a woman, they won’t stay with them! But of course, it is not a general statement, just something i saw!

Man, I just don’t care

@Redd Tony
“Are light skin brothas still in ladies?

Did Obama bring us back, cuz I been getting a lot of good looks lately”
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Damn dawg. I thought I was the only one that noticed. LOL.

YES WE CAN!!
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hahahahahaahahaha

Man i just don’t care and Redd Tony
Hell naw, yall still out. Nino Brown put yall out the game forever. us dark chocolate bruhs still got the game on lock…lol

Who cares what shade of woman is on the cover? what’s killing me is that he’s on the cover with these women in their underwear draped all over him and Tiny doesn’t seem to have a problem with it. I’m not saying she should be insecure (by no means), but can she demand a little respect? Guess in their siutation you can’t demand respect until you’re married. (

@Nina

Short ansswer: Yes and Yes.

“Should we hold some of that blame if not all on our brothas that are the artist. They do have the power to let them know there is not enough representation of black women in their videos.”

Did you watch Hip Hop vs. America on BET? I missed it but read some excerpts, and it’s clear to me that a number of artists are going to continue with whatever sells — whether it’s sexual images, violence, what have you.

But, we, meaning consumers, can choose not to support such garbage. And I don’t. If more of us did make a statement with our dollars, I think you would see a shift in the images because money talks.

“Just like this cover… I can see a young black man in his teens to thinks TI is the greatest. He likes what TI likes. TI is on this cover with two non-black women, okay barely black women. It is safe to say this is subliminally pumping images to our teens/young adults?”

I absolutely think this is sending subliminal messages into very impressionable minds. That cover screams this is what the good life looks like, and the women chosen reflect a certain image. They look racially ambiguous (particuarly the one on the right), and I’ve seen similar women more and more in popular media. I’ve even heard more blacks refer more to their “mixed race” ancestry — they have white or Native American ancestry — so it seems to me that it’s no longer enough to some to be considered just black. You have to have a little something else mixed in to be considered attractive, interesting, etc.

To me, we’re getting away, as a whole, from the idea that blackness in itself is beautiful. It’s equal. It’s powerful. It’s something of which we should be proud.

@snoop!
I think it is part of the plan! In France, there is a channel where you can see “roots” and i guess when a man is deprived form his own integrity, his own rights, he cannot feel like a MAN! He is ashamed probably cause he could not help his sisters and mothers when they were being raped! And I guess, women lost respect for a man who cant do nothing for her!! In Africa, at least, in my country, women have the UTMOST repect or their men! Men has all the power but they have to deserve it! And he has to take care of his family and if he ever fails to do so, he don’t deserve no respect! I was shocked to realize how the situaton is really different in UsA with men that straight up abandon their family so of course,it is hard to respect a man who is tryng to escape his responsabilities?!

@Shay Shay
“WELL IN MY OPINION SELF HATING IS THE BRYANT GUMBLE TYPE, SOMEONE WHON HAS OR IS COMMENCLY INVOLVED IN THE OPPOSITE RACE AND AFTER SO LONG THEY FEEL APART OF THAT RACE SO THAT WHEN CONFRONTED OR INTER-ACTED IN THEIR OWN RACE THEY ARE MORE AGGRESSIVE TOWARDTHIER OWN, EXAMPLE A BLACK MAN ALWAYS HOLLERING HE HATES BEGGING ASS SISTERS, WELL DID ANYONE THINK HIS SELF HATE ISSUES COMING FROM WATCHING HIS MOM WHILE GROWING UP GO FROM MAN TO MAN AND ALWAYS ASKING FOR A HANDOUT, SO HIS TRUE HATE OF A BLACK WOMAN CAME FROM HIS OWN SELF ISSUES STIMULATING FORM SOMETHING IN THEIR CHILDHOOD
NOW FOR WHITES SAME THEORY DIFFERENT SCENERIO, WHITE GIRLS RUNNING TO THE ARMS OF AN ATHELETE OR THE BIGGEST BLACK DICK BECAUSE SHE ADMIRES THE SISTAS GOES TO GET ASS IMPLANTS LIKE US AND LIVES IN THE TANNING ROOM, SHE WAS RAISED TO THINK OF HER SELF AS WHITE AND ALWAYS RIGHT BUT YET IN STILL SHE WILL DATE A BLACK MAN WHILE TRYING HER HARDEST TO LOOK LIKE A BLACK WOMAN, MIND YOU THAT SAID MAN DOESNT EVEN DATE BLACK WOMEN BUT HAS A WOMAN THAT HAS MORPHED HERSELF INTO ONE OF US
PERFECT EXAMPLE
ICE TEE AND COCO”
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Ok.. I don’t know enough about Bryant Gumbel to comment although every black woman I have ever met despise him.

People may have “issues” for various reasons without it NECESSARILY being “self hate.” The example with the brother who has disdain for “beggin sistas.” It could be argued that he doesn’t like the poor, women, blacks, himself, etc. My point being just becaus it APPEARS to be towards black women doesn’t necessarily mean that is.

As far as the white women thing, outside of disfigurement the only reason one would get plastic surgery is to appease themselves. The only part I disagree with is that it to specifically “resemble black women.” Black women don’t monopolize fine assess and delicious breast (although they are close to owning the market LOL). Those qualities are appreciated in women from every culture. The same athletes white women throw selves at women from every culture are.

@TALLEY B
“Hell naw, yall still out. Nino Brown put yall out the game forever. us dark chocolate bruhs still got the game on lock…lol”
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I think it was the combo of Nino and Jordan dog. Don’t discount Jordan.

But dude I’m tellin you…. slowly but surely…

I think you can find crazy, opiniated, goldiggers whatever in any race. The problem is wen black men think that their own woman is the worst! I ve been with white men and black men! I personnally have a preference for black men! I remember when i was at school, i had a lot of white male friends and someone was complimenting my ass! (off topic lol). Anywayz, one day he told me that he was never attracted to a black female! But I did not feel attacked or that he was racist! I thought that it is normal that he loves white girl since he is white!

Talley-B

Man i just don’t care and Redd Tony
Hell naw, yall still out. Nino Brown put yall out the game forever. us dark chocolate bruhs still got the game on lock…lol
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Nino Brown?….hahahahahahaahha

Let me hear it from the ladies…Ladies?

Amina

I’m sorry but that Asian girl on the right looks like she could be a trans gendered male. I am a dark skinned beautiful Black/Korean young woman and I am bad…Black Men Mag should have called me…lol

Men like some color with that…do not be fooled black women

- haha im mad too forget black men mag , i would have hit u up first..

@Eden’s Garden – Yeah Feel you on that , guess shorty is happy with being dedicated jumpoff status instead of committed relationship – oh well to each their own..

and yes about TI, he is cute but damn, cant believe that man got someting like 7 kids! GROW UP litterally lol!

@Snoop

You mentioned divisions between black men and women, and I absolutely believe that these stem from subjugation in this country. Blaq actually mentioned recently that she’s reading a book on the impact of slavery on relationships between brothers and sisters, and I wanted to get the title because it sounds like a very interesting read.

During slavery, there were many occasions where the black man was forcibly removed from his family, so that separation has existed within our community for centuries. We were stripped of our language, our country, and our familial bonds, so, yes, it is no mistake that the repercussions of that trauma have existed to this day.

NICE PIC

corporate
nino brown was the one that transcended the majority likeness of the aforementioned “light-skinneded bruthas” to us dark chocolate toned men. respect the originator!!! lol…..

@Man

“The only part I disagree with is that it to specifically “resemble black women.” Black women don’t monopolize fine assess and delicious breast (although they are close to owning the market LOL). Those qualities are appreciated in women from every culture.”

I think some sisters feel offended that the same ass-ets that they themselves possess are raved about when they’re attached to women of other races.

I remember the uproar when J-Lo first hit the scene and there was all this hoopla about her derriere, and I heard sisters say, we’ve had curves since time began, but we’re not received a round of applause. The same with Kim K — Every post on her garners multiple posts from men, but threads with photos of gorgeous sisters may be lucky to hit 100.

*shrugs*

“…. I was taught as a very young age(at home of course), to know better than this…. I guess some were not.. SMH”

@ Nina

There inlies the key. As with all social behavior (negative or positive) the root of the problem is often found in the upbringing. If we collectively teach our children knowledge of self and give them the self esteem (and the know how) to overcome the programming of mainstream media then the subliminal visuals they see will not have the same effect. Simply put, the more time we spend teaching our children TRUTH and the less time we allow the idiot box to raise our children the better chance they will have of being free and critical thinkers.

*but we’ve*

BTW, I don’t know many sisters who are into Nino Brown being that Wesley Snipes is pretty much a pariah among the Sisterhood.

Christopher Williams and Allan Payne (sp) were fine as wine in that movie, though.

Redd.. whut up!

I dont really care what skin tone a brotha is.. Black is black to me. But not mixed looking, when males are mixed they come out looking too european looking, except for maybe gary dourdan, or mike ealy. But hell no on a dude looking like evan ross.

i 0NLY THOUGHT WESLEY WAS DECENT L00KiN in WAiTiN T0 EXHALE..
BUT..
MAYBE THAT WAS JUST THE CHARACTER HE PLAYEd…
eh..

@SYDNEY
“I think some sisters feel offended that the same ass-ets that they themselves possess are raved about when they’re attached to women of other races.

I remember the uproar when J-Lo first hit the scene and there was all this hoopla about her derriere, and I heard sisters say, we’ve had curves since time began, but we’re not received a round of applause. The same with Kim K — Every post on her garners multiple posts from men, but threads with photos of gorgeous sisters may be lucky to hit 100.

*shrugs*”
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Ok, how much control does the average black man have over whether a black female is “offended?” How much of that feeling of being “offended” stems from insecurities from multiple reasons?

As far as Kim K. and J.Lo… yes they are admired by men of varied cultures. How many times have you seen J. Lo assoiciated with anything remotely associated with Black culture after the Puffy fiasco? She used Puff to get on and that was it for her with the black community.

The only reason Kim K gets so many responses is mainly from women venting their disgust with her. Do you think black men shouldn’t admire Kim K because she isn’t black?

Sydney, Nina Knows, Man, I just don’t care

Thanks for the information!

Redd

‘Did Obama bring us back, cuz I been getting a lot of good looks lately’

LOLOL, so have I.

Oh yeah, I saw your post yesterday about Lindsay Williams on oil non-crisis. I’ll check that out.

@Nina and Sydney

Thank you for your input….

Talley….see I told yo ass dogg j/k

@Illuminate

I concur sir…..

@ shay shay
i agree to a certain extent. let’s not generalize though, it’s a lot of sorry brothers out there sisters not exempt

@Man

“As far as Kim K. and J.Lo… yes they are admired by men of varied cultures. How many times have you seen J. Lo assoiciated with anything remotely associated with Black culture after the Puffy fiasco? She used Puff to get on and that was it for her with the black community. ”

Glad you realize this — After she had to go to that police station, it was pretty much a wrap. I can only imagine what her family and friends said to her.

“The only reason Kim K gets so many responses is mainly from women venting their disgust with her. Do you think black men shouldn’t admire Kim K because she isn’t black?”

No, I don’t think they shouldn’t admire (don’t really like that word in this context) Kim K, but there’s an obvious disparitiy in the number of hits she gets versus another beautiful black woman.

Shoot, brothers are even saying they’re tired of Beyonce now, and I thought she was the Chosen One. I have yet to see the same posts about Kim.

@I love my dark kin

Whats wrong wit having 7 kids if you can take care of them and raise them right?

Oh, yeah, Michael Jordan is a pompous, arrogant, womanizing jerk.

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@Redd

Isn’t he not married to Tiny? Isn’t he a convicted felon? Isn’t he setting a poor example for his offspring?

What up Film! Yeah check that out

@Nina and Sydney

Thanks for ur input….

@Talley

We on a come back dogg…lol

@I love my dark kin

Are you sure you’re in France? Because you sound like a good ol’ American sister, lol.

Sydney

@Redd

Isn’t he not married to Tiny? Isn’t he a convicted felon? Isn’t he setting a poor example for his offspring?
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Well yeah, but you cant be perfect…

Maybe it would set a better example if he were married…But still love is love, If he had that peice of paper, he’d still be Mr. TI….

lol I never said that there was something wrong with having 7 kids! My problem is that he looks like a kid himself! SO when i said grow up its because TI is a damn midget lol

BTW, having 7 kids without being married is a problem but i won’t go there today!

@ sidney, Yes but i was living for 2 years in NY! I wanted to experience what is living in America! The whole world is fascinated or disgusted by you but we are all curious! I loved living in AMERICA because when you re black, you are less overlooked that here! Here, we are immigrants, in your case, its your country! Im aware that there is still a long way to go but in my city for example, they only have something like 5-6 hairsalons for black people! In brooklyn, I remember it was like 1 every block

@Redd

“Well yeah, but you cant be perfect…

Mon dieu. . .We can’t all be “perfect?” He’s a freaking felon caught with guns!

“Maybe it would set a better example if he were married…But still love is love, If he had that peice of paper, he’d still be Mr. TI….”

Again, if he thought of Tiny to keep having her bear his children, then he should have walked her down the aisle by now. And hasn’t he been known to skip out on her? That’s love?

SMH.

“Oh, yeah, Michael Jordan is a pompous, arrogant, womanizing jerk.”

But in his prime the ladies loved him. Women who didn’t know basketball wanted to throw their panties at this cat.

In the case of dark skinned men vs. light skinned men I don’t think it matters. From what I’ve seen it is mainly us men that have that “she gotta be redbone” syndrome. I don’t see women really preferring one over the other. They say women are more vain (debatable) but it is the men that put more requirements on physical attributes of the opposite sex. I’ve never heard a women say she prefers one skin tone over another but I’ve heard it from countless number of men.

@Man

“yeah, but J.Lo was NEVER glorified or loved by black men in the way Halle Berry is. Hell, even in the way Gabrielle Union, Sanaa Lathan,(etc.)are glorified by black men. She was/is considered attractive and that’s it.”

Once again, are you serious? J-Lo wasn’t loved by brothers like Halle Berry? She was considered way more than attractive.

Oh, and are you tired of Kim K posts, too. How many have there been so far this week?

What’s there to know about Beyonce? What, do you not think she has T&A as well?

not that it matters but is so nice to feel that you are represented! In France when you turn on the TV, you won’t see ONE BLACKWOMAN! NOT ONE! OK MAYBE TWO! Here we just got our own organisation just to defend the rights of BLACK PEOPLE IN 2007! CAN YOU BELIEVE IT!!!

@I love my dark kin

“The whole world is fascinated or disgusted by you but we are all curious!”

LOL, I really, really hope the image of America improves overseas once Dubya leaves office. Lord knows, these last eight years have been horrific.

Is that Valenne with a new SN?

Girl, no wonder you know me!

@ILLUMINATE TRUTH
“But in his prime the ladies loved him. Women who didn’t know basketball wanted to throw their panties at this cat.

In the case of dark skinned men vs. light skinned men I don’t think it matters. From what I’ve seen it is mainly us men that have that “she gotta be redbone” syndrome. I don’t see women really preferring one over the other. They say women are more vain (debatable) but it is the men that put more requirements on physical attributes of the opposite sex. I’ve never heard a women say she prefers one skin tone over another but I’ve heard it from countless number of men.”
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Yeah. You 100 on that Jordan comment.

These men that you have encountered that say “she gotta be redbone” and the like. Have you ever noticed what their mates look like?

“I’ve never heard a woman say she prefers one skin tone over another but I’ve heard it from countless number of men.”
Ok. Can you name some qualities that you have heard some women address when it comes to who they date?

Man, why are you treating this thread like a research project? lol

@ MAN I DON’T CARE
Idk,I think we are overlooked, I think our men are judging us way harsher than they would judge a woman from another race! Actually, i can understand! But white girls are kinda worse! They will sleep with you the same night or suck you cock on the men’s bathroom just cause they drunk! Let a black woman do the same and see what men will say! Maybe its just a personal feeling but maybe its because black men actually know the black woman better and know what is going on in our community but i can ensure you that they are not better! I know too many of them to feel that way! hell naw!

And yes, most white men ive been with idolized black woman, talking about how we are more sensual, more involved in bed, more sexual and how our personnality stands out!

@Shay

Or Sherlock Holmes, lol.

@Illuminate

“In the case of dark skinned men vs. light skinned men I don’t think it matters. From what I’ve seen it is mainly us men that have that “she gotta be redbone” syndrome. I don’t see women really preferring one over the other.”

I don’t have a preference — I’m dated men of all shades.

I have a cousin who has bluntly said that she prefers to date lighter-skinned men, but I believe she has a complex about her own skin tone.

There was a good episode of “Girlfriends” related to this some time ago, involving Toni. She didn’t want to date a darker-skinned brother because of colorism she herself had experienced.

@ Nina Knows

Exactly. Most parents don’t know what subject matter their children are doing in school but they know what their child’s favorite TV “program” is. Our priorities are all screwed up. Personally, I’m investing too much time to dispell the myths that my child is being taught in school to then turn her loose to the BS that is on TV. She says she feels left out when her friends are conversating about various TV programs (that aren’t even suitable for her age group anyway). I say “good”.

@I Love My Dark Kin

“And yes, most white men ive been with idolized black woman, talking about how we are more sensual, more involved in bed, more sexual and how our personnality stands out!”

See, I have problems with this — Can we say stereotypes?

@Illuminate

Ive heard enough black women say they prefer a dark skin man over a light skin man, but maybe its just the area that I live….It not a huge issue though…I still get love though, its whats on the inside that counts anyways…..

Damn, yall remember me!

@SYDNEY
“Once again, are you serious? J-Lo wasn’t loved by brothers like Halle Berry? She was considered way more than attractive.

Oh, and are you tired of Kim K posts, too. How many have there been so far this week?

What’s there to know about Beyonce? What, do you not think she has T&A as well?”
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ROFLMAO at J.Lo considered “way more attractive.” Where do you come up with this stuff? What do you base this on? I can assure you ANY survey that you can find will show black men consider Halle Berry more attractive than J.Lo. Again, ANY survey, magazine,online report. Pretty much anything. I won’t even waste our time discussing it beyond that.

LOL. **snickering** J.Lo WAY more than Halle???

Yeah. Sometimes I get tired of Kim posts too. Do we need to go count the posts for each?? We both know Beyonce has more threads and posts.

Why is Kim K vs. Beyonce posts even relevant? As I said before.. sometimes “Jesus Take the Wheel” has more posts than anything.

@SYDNEY
“Man, why are you treating this thread like a research project? lol”
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Just trying to see stuff from a few different perspectives.

love my dark kin

@ MAN I DON’T CARE
Idk,I think we are overlooked, I think our men are judging us way harsher than they would judge a woman from another race! Actually, i can understand! But white girls are kinda worse! They will sleep with you the same night or suck you cock on the men’s bathroom just cause they drunk! Let a black woman do the same and see what men will say! Maybe its just a personal feeling but maybe its because black men actually know the black woman better and know what is going on in our community but i can ensure you that they are not better! I know too many of them to feel that way! hell naw!
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hahahahahahaha…she said “suck ur cock” hahahahahahaahahh

I love my black women

@ sydney!

Yes, I think most of white men ive been with were not really in love with me as they pretended but more with what i represented,smthg different! exotic but i do think they really think that we are better! maybe some fetish ish! and they really love our curves.

@Man

“LOL. **snickering** J.Lo WAY more than Halle???”

Mister, I wrote that brothers considered J.Lo way more than attractive. You said she was considered attractive and that’s it. I disagreed.

@Valenne

Bonjour, mademoiselle! I should have known it was you, lol.

@ corporate,

I see you stil typing all caps lol!
Damn, I remember those arguments i used to have on here especially with ms sugar walls! lol

@SYDNEY
“I don’t have a preference — I’m dated men of all shades.

I have a cousin who has bluntly said that she prefers to date lighter-skinned men, but I believe she has a complex about her own skin tone.

There was a good episode of “Girlfriends” related to this some time ago, involving Toni. She didn’t want to date a darker-skinned brother because of colorism she herself had experienced.”
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Ok. What if his skin were blue?

No, not really dark but actually “blue.”

This does occur. Look up the “Fugates.” This family was known to have members whose skin was litteraly blue although in other aspects they were in good health.

LOL. I’m just saying.

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@ Man

As far as the Brothas (adults) that I have encountered that prefer redbones (two come immediately to mind) one is dating a redbone (ironically, she isn’t attractive at all but I guess as long as she is light skin…idk) and the other is a male ho so I don’t think he really gives a damn when it comes down to it. I conversate with a lot of youth (coaching youth sports locally)and this is where I hear it the most. This is where the programming of our youth’s impressionable minds becomes transparent.

Most women (in my encounters anyway) will refer to the charachter of a man in the same breath as anything physical they are looking for. Men are more visual. They seem to initially look for in a woman what would satisfy their physical needs. Women are more mentally stimulated. They seem to initially look for what would satisfy their emotional needs. I think most men (myself included) had to mature to the realization that while what is between their legs will get you there, it is what is between their ears that will keep you there.

Valenne, you’re kind of raunchy, aren’t you girl? You wrote the C-word. *gasp*

“Yes, I think most of white men ive been with were not really in love with me as they pretended but more with what i represented,smthg different! exotic but i do think they really think that we are better! maybe some fetish ish! and they really love our curves.”

This is why I can’t embrace interracial dating for myself — I don’t to be anyone’s exotic experiment, fetish, or what have you, and I do know there are men out there who chase after black women because of the sexuality stereotype. We have too much history to buy into that. I can’t do it.

Now I’ve wondered how black men feel about non-black women who hold obvious stereotypes about their sexuality, i.e. black men are well-endowed, better in bed, etc. Somehow I don’t think it’s as much an issue for some of them, lol.

@ sydney,
of course not. In Europe, White girls crave black Men like crazyyyyyyyyyy
I heard that in Germany, they love them. Send a couple self hating brothas and they wll think Europe is a paradise lol! Imagine a nice looking blond girl like seal’s wife (cant remember her name) chasing them! they will become crazy and unlike in AMERICA, they won’t need money to bang them!

@Man

“Ok. What if his skin were blue?

No, not really dark but actually “blue.”

This does occur. Look up the “Fugates.” This family was known to have members whose skin was litteraly blue although in other aspects they were in good health.

LOL. I’m just saying.”

The Fugate family? I’ve never heard of them, but I draw the line at blue, lol. I’ll have to look them up. They’re really blue?

I don’t want to give birth to a Smurf.

I don’t know what it is about him, but he really does irritate me.

@ man I just don’t care, you are funny! I love how you are interested in understanding our train of thoughts! while stating your opinion! loves it!

I think you are right! Some black women, I might be one of them can feel underestimated when a man apprecate a woman from another race! maybe! I guess sometimes we read too muh into things!

“Now I’ve wondered how black men feel about non-black women who hold obvious stereotypes about their sexuality, i.e. black men are well-endowed, better in bed, etc. Somehow I don’t think it’s as much an issue for some of them, lol.”

@ Syd
Oh oh. Taboo. LOL.

Maybe you’ve found some hidden agenda. Maybe (just maybe), these stereotypes about Black men’s sexuality is one reason that some Black men prefer white women. It is easier to go in a relationship with preconceived “respect” as opposed to having to earn it. Sort of like a built in ego stroker. Damn Syd, that was a good point.

All I know is that T.I. love light skin girls
I want to be in a T.I. video then if this is the case

@ILLUMINATE TRUTH
“As far as the Brothas (adults) that I have encountered that prefer redbones (two come immediately to mind) one is dating a redbone (ironically, she isn’t attractive at all but I guess as long as she is light skin…idk) and the other is a male ho so I don’t think he really gives a damn when it comes down to it. I conversate with a lot of youth (coaching youth sports locally)and this is where I hear it the most. This is where the programming of our youth’s impressionable minds becomes transparent.”

Most women (in my encounters anyway) will refer to the charachter of a man in the same breath as anything physical they are looking for. Men are more visual. They seem to initially look for in a woman what would satisfy their physical needs. Women are more mentally stimulated. They seem to initially look for what would satisfy their emotional needs. I think most men (myself included) had to mature to the realization that while what is between their legs will get you there, it is what is between their ears that will keep you there.
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Hmmm.. ok. So for ALL the guys that you have heard say the “skin tone preference” only two “come to mind” with one basically talking to whoever.

If a man neglected to mention “character” as one of the qualities he admirers in a woman do you believe that it is because he doesn’t value “character?”

Ok. So the women you have encountered have mentioned “physical” attributes along with “character qualities.” Do you care to name some?

Do you think society has influenced the “physical” attributes that women listed as attractive?

LMAO @ Valenne

“Damn, he is so fine ! his color is perfect! and i did not get to verify the material yet but usually, they never disappoint!”

“Verify the material” — I haven’t heard it put like that before, lol.

@Man

“I was thinking something along the lines of:

“Kim K. got a nice body and all…. but there are some more attractive black women.”

Or something like that.”

That’s nice.

Or just stand up for your sisters when the regular black women-bashers invade the thread, just as sisters stand up to the brother-bashing.

Sounds fair, right?

@SYDNEY
“The Fugate family? I’ve never heard of them, but I draw the line at blue, lol. I’ll have to look them up. They’re really blue?

I don’t want to give birth to a Smurf.”
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LOL. Is that a “skin preference” I detect??? Just kidding.

Yeah, look them up. They were really “smurf blue” too. There is laser treatment that is supposed to be able to “cure” it now though.

@SYDNEY
“That’s nice.

Or just stand up for your sisters when the regular black women-bashers invade the thread, just as sisters stand up to the brother-bashing.

Sounds fair, right?”
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now that I think about it I could see how if I was gettin my ass beat and my “friend” ain’t jump in to help I would be angry.

I never really paid those fools that much attention to be honest. Neither the ones “bashing” on black men or black women.

@ sydney
he is a dancer so his body is on point and he is really nice! He has kids wih a white girl though but i don’t think he is color struck so i might give him a shot!

@ Man

Long story short…..from MY experience men pay more attention to particular physical attributes as opposed to women. Name them? Brah, you aren’t in my circle so what good is that? Do you disagree with my observation? If so, state your opinion. I’m curious.

@ JDs Revenge: From what University did you get your degree? As a black woman married to a dark skinned black man with 2 degrees, my standards for a partner in life had nothing to do with the color of his skin. Black women listen to me: I have dealt with ignorant, uneducated, limited vocabulary negroes like JD and many other black men and had even given up on finding a good one for a minute. I dated a white man, and an Indian before I met my husband. My husband was different from the start. He was tall, and handsome, but didn’t know it. He wore glasses and was what we call a geek or nerd. He was completely different from the black men I dated before. I gave him a chance though. He doesn’t curse, drink, smoke or disrespect me in any way. He works hard and makes very good money. We have 2 beautiful kids, and has enormous “equipment” to work with! Stop giving an audience to these unworthy fellas. If it won’t pull it’s pants up, if it looks like a clone of the next thug, you don’t want that. Raise your standards my sisters. Any man that refers to you out of your name doesn’t deserve your time or attention. I tell my younger siblings to look elsewhere for a man. Date what wants YOU. One of my sisters is married to a latino. I am sick of wasting time and space with these silly negroes that aren’t worthy to share the same air with me. Find out if he has a college degree. If he doesn’t, move on. Make them rise to your level, don’t stoop to theirs.

It’s funny how some Black men claim that they love Black women who are dark-skinned and have natural hair but they always go for the lightest damn-near whitest girl who is a mixed. My complexion id very chocolate and I’ve been natural since I was 16. I got nothing but hate from Black men about my hair and all this crap about how I “used to have ling and pretty hair”.It’s funny though after that I started attracting white and Hispanic men.I love all types of men but Black men tend to be very picky and hypocritical when it comes to women. I’m 18 years old in college I’m with a guy who appreciates my natural hair and my skin and he happens to be white. I never been with a White person before, I was told by my dad to never date white people.My boyfriend doesn’t see me as a some type of “racial experiment” or doesn’t have a fetish for Black women or anything. He just loves me for me and he treats me right and it doesn’t hurt that he likes spending money on me.

@♥Ayita Loves Adam♥

You go gyrl…I know das right you got you a man!

@♥Ayita Loves Adam♥

I bet you a fine lil chocolate thang too….

the more i see this stuff the more i think women of color are shamless prostitutes

Is anyone still here?

Hi, Kzz! I haven’t talked with you in a while.

@Illuminate

“Maybe you’ve found some hidden agenda. Maybe (just maybe), these stereotypes about Black men’s sexuality is one reason that some Black men prefer white women. It is easier to go in a relationship with preconceived “respect” as opposed to having to earn it. Sort of like a built in ego stroker. Damn Syd, that was a good point.”

LOL, I’ve actually had this conversation with friends about the “black buck” stereotype and how it is still an image that exists among some non-blacks. But I don’t see anyone who expresses it as having “respect” for brothers — It seems dehumanizing to me, much like the sexual stereotypes about black women.

Haha whats all the fuss for a magazine thats commonly found on the floor of bathroom stalls and dusty barbershops/salons every so often in county hospitals
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True!!!
A bigger question needs to be asked-
Why is this guy getting all this attention AFTER he got busted at the Buffon Awards for guns????
He was in movies and had success and nobody gave a real damn about him.
Now that he has been in jail or house arrest for thuggery, all the sudden he deserves mnore attention that our PRESIDENT Obama andn other brothers who have made it without acting like goons.
Then we wonder why our black boys act a fool. Because nobody gives a damn whne they behave, but do some coonery and you get all the attention.

u aint slick please dont tell me you have had it better go get a check up!
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xcuse u

xcuse you.. cyber sex … duh!!!!!1
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is wasnt for u. the cyba sex is for someone else here dat luvs it. they know who they r.

some1 else dont know about them yet

i’m aight with dat.

@ shaySHAY.(ORIGINAL NAME?). DAMN. LOOK AT YA SPELLING.. OR AS U WOULD PROB WRITE “SPEELING”..LOL.. NO NEED TO GET UPSET.. U JUS MAD U CANT PUT MAKE UP ON YA LIFE AND COVER UP THE FACT THIS IS YOUR ONLY CHANCE TO SPEAK TO PEOPLE.. I HOPE U GET A ‘HATERS MAG’ COVER SOON.. NOW SNEAK IN THE HOUSE SO U DONT WAKE UP YA KIDS AND 1 OF THEY DADDIES..

we is back babyyyyyy hahahaha

U know what would be cool…if a man who knowing have a lady whom he has children by hw wouldn’t pose with women in such a suggestive way…people tend to imitate what they see even if it’s not true

snoop bloggy blog

can someone define self hate 2 me?

if a black woman get a weave, is that self hate?
if a white woman/man get tans, is that self hate?
when black men/woman perm their hair is that self hate?
ppl define self hate
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Self hate is deliberately doing damage that U don’t care if it’s ever fixed in your life

Chicks on the cover are Chanta Patton and Daphne Joy. The theme of this cover should be the “LIGHT SKIN ISSUE”. Bright ass cover! besides that this darkskin vs lightskin, self hatred bull sh%T is so 1992. why blog about it?write to people who really care about your thoughts.

I love ALLLLLLLLL women especially these two! LOVES EM!

SOON EVERYBODY WILL BE A MIX OF DIFFERENT MINORITIES>hahahahahah

THE SEXIEST BLACK and ASIAN WOMEN ALIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

the girl on the left is Hot!

TINY should be aware of that HOE on the left. That chick on the right don’t speak english that Hoe on the left aint latino, her name is Chanta and she is just plain ol BLACK, … COINCIDENCE she was TI’s main Hoe at the MTV awards? DUH! they are f&ckin! ======TINY it doesnt take a brain surgeon to figure that one out.======= fake breast, fake smile, fake everything. the Tramp is FAKE!!!!!! Guess thats what fake guys like stupid trashy Unequivically, Unappealing, Undesirable, trash! HE CAN HAVE HER!

People are so funny. “A classy picture of TI and Tiny” are you serious? This is Blackmen magazine. Their goal is to sell magazines to MEN. They hardly even have men on the cover. The girl on the left is Black and the girl on the right is Filipino and Puerto Rican and they’re both beautiful.

Sorry that asian girl beside T.I. is “okay”, she’s not ugly but she’s not the sexiest asian alive lol. T.I. should marry Tiny, as much as I could dream of having T.I. like everybody else who likes him, in reality, the man needs to commit to his baby mama. When all the money and hoes are gone, you can only have that one person who can really make you happy…(and that would be ME…I’m playin’!) much love to them both and to their kids

I consider that filipina/puerto rican girl on the right lucky, if she were to go back to asia, they wouldn’t let her be a serious model. Like most other countries, light skin is considered a high status. Sure they love beyonce and will smith and any black actors, but when it comes to their own kind, being white light skinned is the key to being a celeb. And this situation is everywhere, India, Thailand and so on… and of course even in North America. So i give her props, and yet I agree that T.I. and Tiny would’ve been a better cover. I love xscape!

this is insulting……..WHERE ARE THE BLK WOMEN? What kind of bs is this?..now the girl on the left could stay and he should of had a darker blk woman on his right…..see this is what they are feeding young blk boys/men

BUT THEY KNOW WE DON’T LIKE IT AND THEY STILL DO IT..THEY DON’T GIVE A DAMMW HAT BLK WOMEN THINK.

When I first saw the cover of the magazine, it made me laugh. T.I. trying to look like a pimp or player on the cover of the magazine. I would not take the cover of this magazine seriously even though many people raised some value points about the standard of beauty in America. As a woman, I would not want to take a picture like the two women on the magazine cover. I do think the two women are pretty though. I also believe the color of a person’s skin does not make them prettier than someone else. The facial features and personality determines if someone is beautiful and not the color of their skin in my opinion.

I love this site it’s lank cool. . . It keeps me updated witha lota thangs. . .

But there are some ish that i don’t believe especially about mu bwoi Kanye. . .Well we gat haters. . .

Big ups

@ILLUMINATE TRUTH
“Long story short…..from MY experience men pay more attention to particular physical attributes as opposed to women. Name them? Brah, you aren’t in my circle so what good is that? Do you disagree with my observation? If so, state your opinion. I’m curious.”
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Ok. Men do pay more attention to physical attributes. Do you think that is a “bad” thing?

I asked for some examples of physical attributes that women YOU have spoken to because I wanted to know if YOU thought they were “influenced” by the media to find those attributes “desirable.”

Why is your “circle” relevant?

You want my “opinion” in what respect?

People choosing not to write a favorable comment about a celebrity does not make them a hater. Not everything a celebrity does is good. We all are humans, which mean we are not perfect. We all have different opinions. When I read some posts about celebrities, I think some people are borderline fanatics and not just fans of an entertainer. IMO I understand your opinion (Sandy Moloi), but I just do not agree. I believe in the Fifth Amendment, and I use it every day. The “hater” word seems like a catchall word for comments not favorable to an entertainer.

People choosing not to write a favorable comment about a celebrity does not make them a hater. Not everything a celebrity does is good. We all are humans, which mean we are not perfect. We all have different opinions. When I read some posts about celebrities, I think some people are borderline fanatics and not just fans of an entertainer. IMO I understand your opinion (Sandy Moloi), but I just do not agree. I believe in the First Amendment, and I use it every day. The “hater” word seems like a catchall word for comments not favorable to an entertainer.
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i think the b-boys dress super fly. Even in sweats there’s that glow.

TINY should be aware of that HOE on the left. That chick on the right don’t speak english that Hoe on the left aint latino, her name is Chanta and she is just plain ol BLACK, … COINCIDENCE she was TI’s main Hoe at the MTV awards? DUH! they are f&ckin! ======TINY it doesnt take a brain surgeon to figure that one out.======= fake breast, fake smile, fake everything. the Tramp is FAKE!!!!!! Guess thats what fake guys like stupid trashy Unequivically, Unappealing, Undesirable, trash! HE CAN HAVE HER!

TINY should be aware of that HOE on the left. That chick on the right don’t speak english that Hoe on the left aint latino, her name is Chanta Patton and she is just plain ol BLACK, … COINCIDENCE she was TI’s main Hoe at the MTV awards? DUH! they are f&ckin! ======TINY it doesnt take a brain surgeon to figure that one out.======= fake breast, fake smile, fake everything. the Tramp is FAKE!!!!!! Guess thats what fake guys like stupid trashy Unequivically, Unappealing, Undesirable, trash! HE CAN HAVE HER!

TINY should be aware of that HOE on the left. That chick on the right don’t speak english that Hoe on the left aint latino, her name is Chanta and she is just plain ol BLACK, … COINCIDENCE she was TI’s main Hoe at the MTV awards? DUH! they are f&ckin! ======TINY it doesnt take a brain surgeon to figure that one out.======= fake breast, fake smile, fake everything. the Tramp is FAKE!!!!!! Guess thats what fake guys like stupid trashy Unequivically, Unappealing, Undesirable, trash! HE CAN HAVE HER!

So TI hates himself because he likes black, white, puerta rican and/or asians?? BLack woman are stuck in a time warp! Travel the world and expose yourself to different people that don’t look like you, or for the cheaper option, just be open minded and try new things. WARNING – a culture shock will occur and may cause this topic to suddenly appear STUPID and so 1992. hahahahaha

Isn’t that the girl from the Akon “That GIrl is so Dangerous” on de left??? She’s HAITIAN!!!!! BWOP BWOP!

Isn’t that the girl from the Akon “That GIrl is so Dangerous” on de left??? She’s HAITIAN!!!!! BWOP BWOP!

HAHAHAHAHAHa! i love it! TI has swag so he can do it and pull it off! LEt a KIng alone, and appreciate your own gals! BWOP BWOP!

Never mind TI who are the chics?? All I can say say is damn!!!!