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He went on to say that he recently attended an Anita Baker concert and how “mixed” the crowd was. Black & white.

WHO puts that much effort into a concert? Did he go to hear the music or to conduct social experiments?

idiot

first!!! yesssssssssss he’s a damn liar!!1

Idiot indeed. I guess he wasn’t getting enough attention, so he had to say something to “stir the pot”. This man (if you want to call him that) is a BUFFOON!!! It’s almost as if he fell asleep in 1950 and woke up in 2007 and is discovering the black race for the first time. Those in the white community should be ashamed of him for making their race look so asinine. Where’s the outrage from Al Sharpton and the rest of “our” talking heads?

He got a taste of his own medicine. O’Reilly picks over other people’s statements all the time. Now it’s being done to him.

Please stop giving this man a second thought. It is time for us to stop caring about what they think about us. If this idiot and other idiots like him get fascinated because black people know how to eat at a restaurant it just shows their intelligent level.

You have to remember these people were brought with black maids and nannys and as far as they are concern in their sick minds black people will always be less than them.

I guarantee if you start ignoring them and just act like they don’t even exist then you will find that articles like this will become less and less important. And we can get back to important things.

He has a problem with young black men being successful like most caucasion men. He just does not hide his. I am not particularly fond of their music but I will not ever take his side over theirs.

I think we give caucasions way to much importance in our lives. Stop it now.

How white of him. Pity he can’t view his own ignorance through his self-righteousness.

Note how he stated “there is no difference between white and black anymore.” Has there ever been a difference between us? I guess there once was! My bad O’Slimey

“I couldn’t get over the fact that there was no difference.”

What exactly is the nice way to interpret this? That black people aren’t the dangerous people you thought us to be for your whole life.

Let’s see an example:

“I couldn’t get over how good X was” = I did not expect X to be that good. The constant repeated references to hip hop just angers me. When in the world did hip hop become all of black culture? He went to an Anita Baker concert so clearly, it’s not like he’s not aware that black people do more than rap. And then in reference to the black people at the Anita Baker concert, he made sure to state how well they were dressed. There is no reason for such ignorant things to come out of the mouth of any American in this day and age.

In 2003, O’reilly accused a bunch of black 8th graders who were scheduled to perform at this event he was attending of “stealing his hubcaps”. He claimed they were not running late but instead was outside busting in his and his other white colleagues cars.

On serveral occasions, he’s referred to Mexicans as ‘wetbacks’.

He claimed the ugliest women are in Islamic countries.

He claimed Africa as a continent is inheritantly nasty and will never catch up to the west no matter how much sense is knocked into “those” people.

He was referring to a group of black students when he said ” they come out of school and can’t speak an ounce of enlish”.

He repeatedly claimed drugs, infedility, family break-ups are a black thing.

And he’s not a racist? Why are racists always trying to defend themselves?

I swear this sh*t is so tired and old. the double standards in this society are rediculous. there is a BIG difference between black and white, and black and asian and black and latin. Black folks are the ONLY people allowed to talk about other races. Black people are the ONLY ones who are allowed to say that Black folks can be ignorant. Black folks are the ONLY ones who dont realize that Black folks have turned into prejudiced people themselves who LOVE to stereotype everyone and get away with it.

oh damn….i am soooo tired of this fool!! someone needs to drop in off in the hood, they will show him how balck ppl act….

I wonder why he ain’t go to Roscoe’s chicken N waffles, he would have gotten a cap in his pasty hip……

I think Bill is full of himself. His remarks showed that he think whites are better than blacks and he was surprised to find blacks being civilized in public

Rap music/rappers have only been around for a couple of decades. Black stereotypes have been around for as long as I can remember. And I think he know that, since his parents were obviously unfavorable of blacks as he’s admitted.

Nobody misinterpreted his words. For those who want to see it, the “white racists” he was referring to included himself.

And I’m not going by this conversation alone – but by his previous comments regarding blacks and other ethnic groups.

Bill O’Reilly can’t help but say something stupid. His show caters to Whites who have little to no contact with the Black community. In trying to explain (through his experience) that all Blacks don’t look or act like the fools seen in those Rap/Hip Hop Videos… he put his footin his mouth. Hope Sylvia’s picks up additional business from this fool’s comments.

I guess i could say i went to the local piggly wiggley in arkansas, and all the white ppl, didn’t have on white sheets and making noose’s waiting to go set a black family’s lawn on fire??

I listened to the entire hour, and it is hard to believe that some are claiming racism. We as African Americans need to learn that if we cry wolf at every word or phrase we disagree with, sooner or later serious claims of racism will be dismissed as the “same old false cries”. And in the instant case, it makes us look foolish and uneducated to cry racism over well intended debate.

It’s all about images. When you think of young black people nowadays the picture that pops in your head is that of a buffoon and a thug (thanks to hip hop).

HIPHOPISGARBAGE

no, when i think of young black ppl, a buffoon does not pop into my head. But when i think about stupid white ppl. BIll O’reily pops into my head…I hate when people start to blame hip hop or music in general for all the world’s woes….every1 is brought up knowing right from wrong and if u choose to go wrong that’s on YOU not hip hop

he doesn’t get out much apparently.

http://www.blackplaysandfilms.com

Marcus:

Are you familiar with O’reilly? I use to listen to him all the time and never agreed with 99% of the stuff that comes out his mouth. But the only reason why I turned to him was to get a feel of what another side, other than my side, was saying, thinking, and feeling.

I think overall, Mr. O’reilly is a racist who, for the most part, knows how to word his thoughts, and as a result, fool a lot of people.

I’m going to give Bill the benefit of the doubt on this one. People can always take someone’s words out of context if they want to do so, or if they just dont like the person making the comments.

So I know a lof of black folk will jump on these remarks, but in context I can see how this could have been an innocent remark that can me made into a racist thing.

You called it. He is a racist and an asshole. He thinks he sounds smart when he throws jabs but when the powers that be get sick of him, he will be in the gutter.

Cosign: BB

Note how he stated “there is no difference between white and black anymore.” Has there ever been a difference between us? I guess there once was! My bad O’Slimey

He is so f’in tired. His show is on the most racist, most Republican minded network out there and he speaks for a huge percentage of White America. I hate to say that and I’m sure someone is going to jump on that, but oh well. He is ignorant through and through. He was “surprised”???? What did he expect? The most ignorant thug selling drugs on a corner probably has more class in his pinky than Mr. O’Reilly. It kind of burns me up because people watch him, listen to him, and believe him. He is exposed to intelligent, articulate people of all races everyday and is still spouting stupid ish…

All you brainwashed fools who believe in this fool, listen to his explanation on why many of the Katrina victims didn’t evacuate.

He completely dismised the fact that many of the poor had no where to go, and accused them of being “thugs” who didn’t want to leave their “crack” behind.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200509150001

I guess O’reilly had to say the ‘n’word to be qualified as a racist.

I know this is a little off the subject.

But view this link and tell me racism is not still going on everywhere.

http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=local&id=5677461

HE IS A DAMN RACIST AND WHAT HE SHOULD DO IS TALK ABOUT HIS PHONE SEX CASE, WHICH HE SO QUICKLY SWEPT UNDER THE RUG. OLE PERVERT!

He had Reverend Hot Comb on his show yesterday and Sharpton went real easy on him. Obviously, he is making money from his regular appearances on that show. I guess Imus didn’t get him paid.

He has Reverend Baby Daddy on today, so we’ll see how that one goes.

HE’S BACKTRACKING IS BECAUSE HE KNOWS FOR A FACT THAT BLACK AMERICANS ARE PART OF HIS LISTENING AUDIENCE, HE’S WORRIED ABOUT RATINGS. He cld care less about offending anyone, he cares about his ratings, though…

HE KNOWS THAT OTHER TALK SHOW “PERSONALITIES” HAVE BEEN FIRED FOR USING THE TERM ‘HO’; HE DOESNT WANT TO GET FIRED!

@ MARCUS.. thank you, my brotha!!

See, my black people… Reading is fundamental. Y’all are jumping on the man and cant even see what was really said….

Juan Willlams (who is black) first said that people need to know that there’s more to black people than just rappers, etc. And O’Reilly WAS AGREEING WITH HIM and used the example that when he went to Sylvia’s there wasnt a single black person there “who was screaming, ‘M.F.-er, I want more iced tea.’” . In other words, he’s saying that that’s a side of black America that a lot of white americans dont see!! How do you take that as being a racist coment? Come on, people.Dont just holler racism cuz you like to, or cuz you dont like O’Reilly.

Good grief; use some common sense sometimes. What is wrong with peoples’comnprehension skills? Our schools must be really doing a bad job, or some black folk just like being, and sounding, ignorant.

it’s disgusting that o’reilly thinks, feels, and basically CAN get away with portraying such a degrading message/image [yet again!] of black folks & then trying to cover up his fat mouth After the fact he’s already spoken his “intellectual” mind.

he is a disgrace to the U.S. of A!

{& am i the only one who thinks he looks like a damn pedophile/racist kkk leader ? where the hell is the movement to get his worthless a** off tv? yuck!}

Yes i said it,

yea his comments might’ve been taking out of context, but he still said them. what establishment have u eva been in where u heard someone yell out Mofo i want some ice tea?? that’s what is ignorant

I happened to have read the entire article earlier in the week & what he was saying was that people should not & can not make assumptions about the entire black race by those morons we see in pop culture especially rap videos!

Sorry to say he has a point! If you ever watch some of these rappers & such you’ll see modern day display’s of minstrel activity. These so called men look the fool! prime example flava Flav.

Although his delivery could be better Bill O’Reilly’s intent was notable.

Balck Folks: Why don’t we get real with ourselves here. Too many of us are way too eager to act the bafoon! And you know as well as I do that many within our community are just down right “ignant”

Heck I’m black & sometimes walking thru Harlem I gotta shake my head at random acts of ignorance I witness. So you gotta imagine what “others” are interpreting from the little they see of us.

To Bee:

“It is time for us to stop caring about what they think of us”

Save all that garbage for fairytale books hun. Bottom line is this….WE BLK FOLKS DON’T OWN ISH!! WHEN WE GO FOR A JOB WHO DO YOU THINK IS ON THE OPPOSITE END OF THAT INTERVIEW TABLE???

9 OUT OF 10 TIMES IT’S “MR. CHARLEY” SO STOP CREATING THIS PERFECT WORLD CUZ I’M HERE TO TELL YOU—THE WORLD IS JACKED UP & YOU BETTER LEARN HOW TO FIT IN & GET WHAT U CAN OR YOUR ARSE WILL BE LEFT OUT COLLECTING GOV’T CKS BEING SOME KINDA PSUEDO STREET PHILOSOPHISER!!!

Ya dig?

@ Bahama Mamma

“what establishment have u eva been in where u heard someone yell out Mofo i want some ice tea??”

Oh yes I have!!! I had lunch at BBQ’s just yesterday & two grown women got into a fist fight! They used all sorts of profanity calling each others mothers names & they called the manager the N word so don’t tell me that never happens cuz it does!!!

I can also tell you how I was shopping in Bloomingdale’s and a sista on her cell phone was talking so loudly re capping her previous nights escape just cussing calling whoever her friend was on the other end the B word I just looked at her & shook my head!

I love my people & wouldn’t want to be anything else than what god made me. But, we need to get it together cuz slowly but surely we are being fazed out & if you do not have a degree & speak spanish you can forget about getting even an entry level job these day’s- point blank!

this man ceases to amaze me (in a bad way)….he can back peddle until the cows come home but the pretense that he is trying to bridge the gap and help white peole like him understand that Blacks are normal is a farce….like I said…he works with intelligent, educated, Black news anchors, etc. on a daily basis…so instead of telling white racist america (some of his listeners) that he works with the type of Black person that is probably more in line with his lifestyle he would rather perpetuate ridiculous nonsense like we need him to convince White America that not all of us are animals, waiting to rob someone while listening to rap music and hollering “Mfer, where’s my tea at ?”

When I read the comments and heard the story from CNN, I thought O’Reilly was a racist. I then realized a few things. First, other news outlets weren’t reporting this “Imus moment”. Secondly, Al Sharpton press secretary said the comments were not racist, Jackson didn’t speak out against it, nor did the “liberal” NPR black commentary O’Reilly was speaking to during the interview. Then I knew something was up….. all these strong black-activists not saying ONE word against this man? How could that be?

Then I decided to listen to the program on his website. Honestly, this was the first time I listen to the “radio factor” and I only flipped through fox-news a couple times. Now, most people have seen/heard/and dealt with racism …… but I didn’t find O’Reilly’s statements racist at all. While I don’t agree with his views about the negatives of rap music…. it is a valid viewpoint held by many people (of all skin color) and NOT racist at all. he was making analogies and demonizing stereotypes ….. he was not perpetuating them.

I feel CNN tried to trick me. They didn’t provide proper context and I would have believed them if I didn’t notice the silence of civil-right activists.

The Real Essence 1

my problem with Bill O’reilly is that he for some reason has taken a crusade to try and validate us…what about trashy white americans, using every curseword in the book , in restaurants and shopping store, etc…and some of the foul stuff they do on a regular basis…it’s easy to point out our faults because we are an easy target but let us not forgot that the Almight white man is no better in behavior, mannerisms, etc.

Real Essence

Of course u have ur exceptions, black folks that don’t care, but what I’m really trying to get at is don’t blame music for what’s happening in the communities. If u want ppl to blame, look at the parents who don’t bring up their kids properly, look at the politicans in ur commuintiy and see if they have any afterschool programs available to help kids stay outta trouble….and like i said everyone is brought knowing right from wrong and if wanna take the wrong path that is on you. but leave the music bussiness out of it…the ish is entertainment. Simply as that

Hmm I just noticed something…… the topic is “KKK” as O’Reilly is a KKK member (or acts like one).

Well O’Reilly is Catholic right. That doesn’t make much sense considering how much the KKK liked catholics.

His comments were not racist… just, like an earlier comment stated “ignorant as phuck.” However, this does not preclude Mr. O’Reilly from being a racist through and through, as I tend to believe that he is in the closet on that boldfaced issue. Any man (of any color) who singles out Ludacris and Nas as two of our most profane rappers has little knowledge of the African American community and needs a reality check.

@ Joe

The media does that a lot. Anyone who actually listens to the interview like you did, shouldn’t think it was racist but it seems to easy for us to resist the “racism” label. I would hope the black community could see through this witchhunt.

Bahama Mama… I agree with that point. I don’t think “rap music” is the downfall of black society. It really comes down to family structure …. music is music.

But, the view that rap music is bad isn’t a racist view. Many black leaders believe rap does an injustice and perpetuate stereotypes.

O’Reilly is a social conservative …. and they tend to believe people need to be “shielded” from inappropriate material. So it makes sense he would talk about this…. and social conservatives would listen. But again, how is this racist?

I honestly don’t believe that he was making racist remarks. I was highly offended reading Adrianne Curry’s statements, and would quickly say that she is an uneducated racist. When it comes to Bill I simply think he is uneducated on how to address issues about race; but I don’t think he meant any harm.

I think we need to be more careful at tagging people as racist; and make sure we are not being racist in our judgements.

Joe

is Bill going after Marilyn Manson and other white rock groups who glorify devil worship, and killing and looking like they are the walking dead with make up that resembles blood? why haven’t I heard about him and his conservative tackling those issues…one could pose the same argument that these groups glorify violence and cause white teens to commit acts of violence….

@Joe… I hear u. I’ve learned not to trust the media, and CNN in particular. They seem to leave out important information just so they can exacerbate negative racial feelings.

I remember once when a O’Reilly once said he felt like more and more blacks are avoiding the Al Sharpton/Jesse Jackson types, and starting to think for themselves when it comes to how to repond to certain racially charged events. The CNN.com headline read something like: “O’Reilly: Blacks are Starting to Think” !! . I was highly offended at first until I read the whole story and saw that they were just using a provocative headline to get people’s attention. Reading the whole article, I saw what he was really saying, and didnt take it as racist at all, but from the headline, it would be easy to take it in the worst way. The media is good for that, especially CNN. Very grimy.

People complain abut Fox News a lot but they dont realize CNN can be grimy too.

I neva said he was racist, i said he was ignorant… and like every one else that has something negative to say about music…it’s ignorance, these artist are either telling what’s happened in their life or ish they go thru, now u do have the exception with the booty shaking songs but it’s stilll just entertainment.I personally can’t stand mr. o’reily or the so called black leaders but that’s a topic for another disscusion..

@ Yes I said it

Considering I’m one of the the posters who made comments regarding O’reilly’s racism, I will respond to your comments.

Bill O’reilly stated:

“I couldn’t get over the fact that there was no difference between Sylvia’s restaurant and any other restaurant in New York City. I mean, it was exactly the same, even though it’s run by blacks, primarily black patronship.”

In other words: he and not (“white racists” as he claimed later) couldn’t get over the fact that Sylvia’s was no different than any other resturants.

He then went on to say ” eventhough it’s run by blacks, it was the same”.

He also said: that is what this society is really about now in the USA.

He is saying eventhough it’s run by blacks, it is no different than any other New York City restaurant because things have changed in America. In other words, blacks are starting to become civilized.

I listened to THE WHOLE THING. And I’m pretty good at interpretations without any biases.

Given my history of tuning into Fox News, I’m very much capable of interpreting Mr. O’reilly’s words.

He has a history of making disparging comments, and these are definately one of them. I’m truly sorry that you’ve been fooled to think otherwise.

Maybe you should consider the possibilty of the education system failing you?

Yes i said,

all broadcast news stations r grimy, it’s all about ratings for them..example why does o’reily only talk about mainly about luda? because luda is a crossover rapper, the white media knows him from his acting…and luda is kitty cat compared to some other rappers lyrics….so like they say no publicity is bad

@ YES I SAID IT

I remember once when a O’Reilly once said he felt like more and more blacks are avoiding the Al Sharpton/Jesse Jackson types, and starting to think for themselves when it comes to how to repond to certain racially charged events.

What the hell are you talking about? He made the above comments at the same time he made the comments about Sylvia’s. It was during the same tapings.

And you claimed to have listened to the whole thing?

Note how he stated “there is no difference between white and black anymore.” Has there ever been a difference between us? I guess there once was!

Right, that’s the point people are missing. He’s claiming that there was once a big difference but because many people are starting to remove themselves from the Al Sharpton/Jesse Jackson and blacks are starting to think for themselves, blacks and whites are practically the same NOW in America. In other words, blacks were not the same before.

You people floor me.

He should book Adrienne Curry on his show. She help him explain what he meant. And he could be a guest commentator on her blog. Tee-Hee!

tscombo -

you’re a tool. i bet you’re deny racism if it’s crawling up your chin.

@ tscombo

Hi!!! Watched the factor yesterday. Got a little sick, but still managed to watch him for the most part. I was so drove yesterday when I went home, I totally tuned out America’s Next Top Model (which is my normal Wednesday night viewing) to watch CNN and Fox News Channel. This morning, I’ve come to the following conclusion. I DO NOT LIKE BILL O’REILY. However, I see your point from yesterday. At least he’s trying. If his efforts are sincere remains to be seen, but at least he’s trying.

@ Everyone posting

I had a revolation this morning. These media outlets are using us for the amusement of all. I’m kind of tired of it. You watch these shows and they have pro-black vs. conservative black, and to them it’s amusing. The people who are on debating often get highly heated and both end up looking like complete idiots. And to them, it’s amusing, it’s ratings, it’s entertainment. However to us, it’s life. Which one of our so called black leaders do you see in the spot light when there’s not a Jena 6 going on or a Don Imus hurting someone’s feelings? Who is actually trying to make a difference in the lives that we live? I guess it’s up to me. Oh how I despise the media…They are mocking us, and here we are fighting over Bill O’Reily. Yeah, he’s racist, but his opinion does not affect me. His show can’t save me, and his words don’t move me. But I wish that we could just forget about what the media says, and make things better for ourselves. Stop letting these people use us for their amusement and ratings and just get on with our normal, non gun toating, actually do have a job, taking care of our business and kids, lives.

Just a Thought

@NahNah…. I didnt say I listened to it. I said I read the comments he made, in their proper context. (Someone also posted it on Youtube) And my point is, that CNN put the headline in such a way like he was insulting blacks, when in fact it doesnt seem like he was. I can admit that when I first saw the short youtube clip, I wasnt aware it was part of the same interview. But thats not even the point. You seem to be trying to make that a bigger point than it is.

In case you dont think CNN has a bias here, get real. CNN dislikes Fox and OReilly, because they always brag about getting higher ratings than CNN. So CNN people have reason to try to make Fox and O’Reilly look bad. I watch them both, and I see how cnn and fox personalities make snide commnents

@lacyd

Cool. At least we can agree on the intentions of the comments. Sorry that you had to sacrifice your health for the time you watched LOL.

@ Nahnah

LOL. I thought you would have something challenging to say. Shame on me. Put the ‘racism’gun on safety for while otherwise you will be shooting blanks when you really need it.

Yes, I said it

I agree. People really need to work on their reading and comphrension skills. I watch FOX and CNN news all the time. Both are guilty of selling salacious headlines. All media is based on rhetoric. Sometimes, we need to get off the internet and just read a book and a newspaper once in a while. Our attention spans are short and we only want a small pieces.

In case you dont think CNN has a bias here, get real. CNN dislikes Fox and OReilly, because they always brag about getting higher ratings than CNN. So CNN people have reason to try to make Fox and O’Reilly look bad. I watch them both, and I see how cnn and fox personalities make snide commnents

They are all just interested in smearing each other and making big profit off the emotions off “sensitive” black folks. I don’t believe there’s a big difference between the two stations.

I don’t watch and/or listen to any of them. But I did use to watch Fox News and am quite familiar with O’reilly and the way he word things to fool people and make them think he’s not racist. Sorry but this isn’t the first time he made comments and then said people are taking it out of context. This is a constant thing with him.

But I agree that both fight for ratings.

@NahNah… you hear what you want to hear. Like you said, you “interpret” his words. People can interpret words to mean what they think they’re supposed to mean, especially if they already dislike the person saying those words. I’ve listened to his radio show in the car, and based on how he explained his comments plus what I read myself of what he said, I think his comments were poorly and clumsily worded, but I didnt see them as racist. I know personally, I’ve been around white folk who were impressed with seeing me ,being well dressed and well spoken, since its clear they dont see that a lot, unfortunatley. But to me , that doesnt mean they were racist. Just that they havent been exposed in person to that many positive images of black folk, and when they see it in person, sometimes you can just tell theyre (pleasantly?) surprised. They know there are quality professsional black folk out there, but they dont see it that much in their cirles, so when they see it, they’re struck by it.)

But If you feel he’s a racist, thats fine. You can think what you want. He aint paying my bills. He doesnt need me to defend him. People want to think Oreilly is a racist, Bush hates black people, AIDs was started by the white man to kill us off, 9/11 was a plot by the US govt., etc. At the end of the day, you cant really reason with some folk. They believe what they want to, and they can always show some “facts” to support their point, I guess.

@lacyd

I had a revolation this morning. These media outlets are using us for the amusement of all.

I agree – they have been from the beginning.

@Nahnah

Your thoughts are full of emotion but lack logic. You may not agree with a person politically but racism is a strong word to be throwing around when are discussing there experiences concerning race. Try to separate the two and calm down. We know you don’t like Bill Orielly or that he finds certain rappers offensive but “you need more people” when it comes to your charges of racism. How about actually proving that he is a racist instead of hoping someone can disprove he is not.

@ Yes I said it:

O’reilly has a history of making racist comments.

You have already admitted to not listening to the whole thing, but you’re still going at it. How scholarly is that. So, in essence, you’re a hypocrite for claiming those who say he’s a racist can’t comprehend.

BTW: You must be a bush supporter if you seriously believe he ‘likes’black people. Unlike you, I base my very well laid opinions on a person’s actions. Do you know his history from since he was a governer in Texas?

Those who claim 9/11 was a plot by the government (I believe it myself) and the other stuff you mentioned are those who are not afraid to think outside of the box. I respect those types of people.

The real issue that affect us are not comments by OReilly/Imus/ Michael Richards, etc.

Jena 6, unequal schools, uneven justice handed down to black men for the same crimes as whites, genocide in Sudan, etc.. these are issues caused by the SYSTEMIC and institutionalized racism thats out there.

So O’Reilly was impressed by how how well black folk acted in a black owened restaurant. In the end, so what?

Lets talk about how Michael Vick already pleaded guilty to fighting dogs, is about to face 12-18 months… and now the State of Virginia is bringing new charges that could give him up to 40 years!! Gimme a break. Do you think they would be doing this if it was a Tom Brady or Peyton Manning involved? I think not. But this is the kind of misuse of the justice system that black folk face every day. That, to me, is more important than O’Reilly’s comments.

@Nahnah

Your thoughts are full of emotion but lack logic. You may not agree with a person politically but racism is a strong word to be throwing around when are discussing there experiences concerning race. Try to separate the two and calm down. We know you don’t like Bill Orielly or that he finds certain rappers offensive but “you need more people” when it comes to your charges of racism. How about actually proving that he is a racist instead of hoping someone can disprove he is not.

You’re either blind or you can’t read. I explained why I felt and backed them up with other comments he’s made earlier. On top of that, you obviously don’t know what “emotions” are.

I don’t like commercial rap, but I don’t think it’s right to blame to blame it for society’s problems.

I don’t like Britney Spears, but I don’t feel people should continue to treat her like she’s not human.

I NEVER liked O’reilly but I listened to him anyway. Smart people listen to their opponents.

But let me ask you this, give me an example of a racist? What is considered a racist comment by your standards?

If you’re honest with yourself, then you won’t a problem answering these questions.

@NahNah. Good grief. I read the man’s comments. So because I didnt LISTEN to them, I dont have the right to comment on it? What planet do you live on ? The man’s comments have been printed on many websites already.

I already said I didnt listen to the whole program. I READ the particular comments in question, and after readiing them in context, plus the “explanation” he gave afterward, I didnt feel like his comments were racist. I dont have the right to that opinion?

Just so you know, when the story first broke, the blogs were intitially reporting iT like: “Oreilly said he went to Sylvia’s and was surpsised that people werent saying “M-fer, give me some more iced tea”. Of course black people would be offended by that. I was too. However, When I checked the comments out in full, especially in relation to Juan Williams comments just before that, I felt they were not racist, but were acually supporting Juan Williams’s point that America need to see theres more to black America that the hip/hop images they see. You make comments about me being “scholarly”? I’ve made my point very clear in previous posts, but either youre not reading them fully, or youre seeing what you want to see.

…So u think the only way you can reach a conclusion about someones comments is if you listen to them, not read them? Ni99a please.

@NahNah

I saw your response to TSCOMBO.. and its clear youre taking this all a bit too seriously.

Did Bill Oreilly slap your sister around or something ?. Why all this hostility toward a man who aint even thinking about you? It ain’t that deep, yo.

I already said I didnt listen to the whole program.

I rest my case.

I saw your response to TSCOMBO.. and its clear youre taking this all a bit too seriously.

Boooo! Obviously, you think it’s seriously since you’re forever defending your racist uncle, O’reilly.

But you already admitted to not listening and/or reading the whole thing even after your racist uncle told you to. UGH.

Bye for now.

@ Bahama Mama:

That is precisely the issue–Everyone is NOT raised to know right from wrong. When you make that statement it is coming from an assumption that everyone has QUALITY parenting–and of course that is not true. There are TOO MANY parents who have no idea how to instill the right morals, values and work ethic in their children. What is so disheartning is that I see alot of this in our communities because I work with at-risk, black youth.

I don’t know about O’Reilly’s comments because I did not hear them in their full context. I make it a point to watch his show whenever I can (my keep your friends close, your enemies closer mentality). My main opinion of O’Reilly is that he is extremely pompous and no matter how he tries to fight it, he has deep-seeded, negative racial views.

However, despite whatever point he was trying to make, I think we all know- as black people- that there are alot of the “majority” who view black people and black culture by what they see in rap videos. So, even if his remarks were racially motivated, we can’t ignore the fact that he holds the views of alot of the “majority”.

The only way for us to change these stereotypes is for US as a RACE to prove them wrong.

@NahNah,

I see.. so Bill O’Reilly is my “racist uncle” huh? Wow. That was a good one.

See, that’s why a previous poster said your comments are mostly based on emotion. And clearly your emotion is getting the better of you.

If you feel you have to resort to name-calling , then you’re not ready for prime time, when it comes to debating an issue. This is why I try not to even get into too many debats with folk online. They might start out well, giving their side of the issue, but at some point they decide to start with the name calling.Doesnt make you look very mature, by the way.

Like when I’m beating my nephew in chess, and he decides to slap the pieces off the board and walk away. (boo hoo)

Bye for now.

@NahNah

You couldn’t have listen to or read the interview and still be spitting this racism stuff. 90% of the people Bill goes after are White Left Wing organizations. He goes after Luda, Nas and Twista because of lyrical content and he is racist? News Flash; Popular Rap does portray us negatively, sorry about that.

@TSCcombo.. I agree with that.

Personally, I think hip hop is probably responsible for more anti-social behavior among black youth than any other factor (apart from the 65% out of wedlock birth rate,I guess). It disrespects our black women, exposes young black kids to a lot of negative sexual images and profanity, glorifies bling-bling and materialism, and just presents to America a very negative image of black people in general.

Popular rap/hip-hop DESERVES to be criticized, so I dont care if the person criticizing it happens to be black or white. Its about time we pay attention to how much this garbage is poisoning the black community.

I wonder why some people don’t feel like Bill O’Reily is racist. I tried to rest my case from yesterday, but reading through some of these posts, I guess I need to pick my sword back up.

People who’ve watched Bill O’Reily in the past (people like me, he’s racist, but damnett if he aint interesting) know that he is not to fond of the black community. The fact that he basically views us as some type of sub-culture should basically say it all. My argument yesterday was that Billy O basically performed an experiment on us and was facinated that we actually do have sense, can actually get along, and are very civalized people. If your argument is that yes there are people who would say, give me my f’n tea, then you could say the same for whites, or hispanics. Every culture has their bad seeds. My question is why are we spotlighted? Ever stop to think that maybe we aren’t the only race who cries at the drop of a dime? Could it be that we’re the only ones that we hear about because it’s just so entertaining the the Bill O’s of the world. Bill O’Reily is a racist and if he was sincerely interested in changing his view on us, then he would have invested more time in doing this long ago. He’s like 157, he’s acting like he’s never come accross a black person that wasn’t his housekeeper in the 40′s. But keep on defending him supporters of him, I dare you to meet him though.

@tscombo

i asked you a legitimate question and you couldn’t answer it. goes to show that you’re not really interested in honest dialogue, but instead looking to defend racists.

How many times does Bill have to make racist statements, before he’s called a racist? This is not the first time he has make questionable remarks.

I’m not sure how or why anyone would defend someone like Bill. Not only is he a racist, but he’s also a proven liar. Bill likes to divide people based on race, religion, gender and economic status.

He loves to give his audience a new bogey man every night. He tells them why they should fear: Liberals, gays, all minorities and anyone against the war. He’s far more dangerous than Imus and he should be held accountable for his remarks.

Personally, I think hip hop is probably responsible for more anti-social behavior among black youth than any other factor (apart from the 65% out of wedlock birth rate,I guess). It disrespects our black women, exposes young black kids to a lot of negative sexual images and profanity, glorifies bling-bling and materialism, and just presents to America a very negative image of black people in general.

You’re right, America was paradise, especially for blacks, before Hip Hop came about 3 decades ago.

Funny how ain’t nobody blaming the habits of young white kids to the Paris’and the Britney’s of the world. And nobody’s looking to boycott.

Ask N.O.W and other feminist rights group how long they’ve been fighting against stereotypes against women, and they sure as hell won’t tell you since the evolution of Hip Hop.

What rappers are doing is accepting the negative forces in society. Instead, they should vocalize against them in an effort to better humanity and in particular, the black community.

They’re not the cause, but byproduct of it all.

People who are defending Bill are wrong, because by doing so they’re saying that what he said is acceptable, and they’re also saying they can comprehend why he said.

Racism should never be tolerated no matter who it’s coming from. Put the remark about the restaurant aside and look at what else he said, “black people are starting to think for themselves.”

That should be offensive to every fair minded person, regardless of race.

I don’t blame any form of music for the problems that are plaguing the inner city. I blame lack of education and a lack of a strong family foundation.

@nahnah

Racist: a person with a prejudiced belief that one race is superior to others/discriminatory especially on the basis of race

By definition you can say Bill Orielly WAS a racist. if you listen to the interview but you continue to perceive him as one because you disagree with his views.Maybe you are the racist.

@Yes I said It

Thx. Its good to have a fellow voice of reason posting.

The interview was a great discussion on race relations and how we are viewed by other uninformed races. I’m some could see it.

“By definition you can say Bill Orielly WAS a racist. if you listen to the interview but you continue to perceive him as one because you disagree with his views.Maybe you are the racist.”

You’re logic is BEYOND twisted! I suppose we could say that the KKK aren’t really racists, fair minded people just disagree with their views.

tscombo -

that’s ONE definition of racism. but if you want to be simple and look it as that way, then saying

saying “i was suprised to see a black restuarant so civilized, i couldn’t believe it was the same as a white restaurant” IS an example of the definition you provided.

in other words, whites are better(superior to) than blacks.

i KNEW you had no argument. Your job here is to defend racists. You have no other purpose. You’ve been busted!

i think rainlillie will handle you.

@rainlillie

I don’t blame any form of music for the problems that are plaguing the inner city. I blame lack of education and a lack of a strong family foundation.

You right. Television doesn’t raise kids. Parents raise kids. There are some things that are for adults and some for children. That’s why ‘parental discretion is advised’is on most stuff or it comes on at 1am. Stop blaming rap and hiphop for your lack of parenting skills.

@lacyd

People are looking for and excuse to an epidemic that is not only plaguing the black community but the white, hispanic, asian, etc. communities as well. Hip Hop is easy because their message is not Disney Channel High School Musical

You right Vanessa Hudgens was naked all over the news but you don’t see millions of people saying she’s the reason for kids being messed up.

Oh AND…

How are you today. I really like your approach today. You’re being so very civalized. But you are so right. That girl sent naked pictures of her self to that dude from the Nick Show. The Disney Channel did not dismiss her, saying that she made a bad decision. The little girl is a hoe, and she’s supposed to be our childrens role model because she’s paid to sing positive songs??? But hip hop is evil…Give me a break!!!

@ Nahhah…

OK. We get it. Bill OReilly is a racist.

So, lets go back to the 9/11 thing. Please break it down for us, the theory of how Bush and the Republicans conspired with Osama Bin laden and the 19 hijackers to blow up the Pentagon and World trade center so we could go in to Iraq and take their oil and make Dick Cheney and Halliburton rich.

Do you agree with this version of the story/conspiracy theory? Or… whats your version?

@lacyd

Yeah I know I was being an ass yesterday. I don’t know I just get bored and instead of doing something constructive I meddle and piss people off so they will argue with me. Mature NO entertaining HELL YEAH. I’ll do better. That’s a shame. I’m actually having to call myself a stupid ho. LOL.

lacyd,

Well said! Remember the outrage over Janet Jackson’s breast. Those same parents don’t have a problem with their children watching movies depicting graphic violence. What is more harmful to children, looking at a breast or seeing someone getting their brains blown out.

Europe is more liberal when it comes to nudity, yet they frown upon violence. A recent study found “that gun-related deaths were five to six times higher in the America than in Europe.”

Rap music is art and should be looked at as such, it’s not a guide on how to walk, talk, and live your life. As far as I know the really vulgar music have warning labels on them, so it’s up to the parents to get involved and monitor what their kids are watching and listening to.

@ rainlillie

I did a group project in school that said that European kids weren 3 to 4 times less likely to get drunk or have drunk related accidents because they don’t make alchol a taboo thing so kids aren’t as impressed by it and do want to drink so much.

Gosh! after reading some of these threads i can sympathise with that buckwheat dude on that suge knight thread. Some of you people jump to conclusions without actually listening or reading the facts. I don’t Bill OReilly is an evil racist, maybe somewhat clueless, but I think that can be attributed to a generational thing.

damn i can’t type

yes i said it:

i don’t believe the official version. it has yet to be proven and it’s too simple. 9/11 was nothing a trillion dollar defense system could handle.

in addition, bush and cheney’s organization, the project for new american century predicted 9/11 years prior to its occurance.

@ AND…

Don’t beat yourself up now. I can’t blame you for trying to find entertainment at work. Don’t tell anyone, but that’s what I’m doing now. You guys are doing a great job at keeping me entertained. But in the process, I’m wanting to change some things about my environment. THANK YOU GUYS!!!

@ rainlillie

Call me a conspiracy theorist or whatever, but why is “the green” illegal when alchohol and cigs kill more? Why is any other drug illegal for that matter? It’s money, big money. God forbid we touch our sacred tobacco and alcohol industries. America is so jacked up it’s not even funny. Oh but hip hop is EVIL. Whatever Bill O, the House Panel (who are currently debating lyrics in hip hop, and any other anti hip hop american. Find something better to do.

@Nahnah

By any definition of racism, you statements are unfounded. It seems you don’t like for people to make progressions in their thinking, or to be honest about there misconceptions. It would be easier for you to label them racist because you don’t want to deal with the issues. I know change hurts but you will feel a lot better afterwards..

Anonymous3 Said:

“The Real Essence 1

“what about trashy white americans, using every curseword in the book , in restaurants and shopping store, etc…and some of the foul stuff they do on a regular basis”

I agree 110% with everything you said but there is a difference…white is white & black is black. When I worked on Wall St there was this old homeless looking white woman who use to pahnandle in front of Trinity Church til one day she disappeared. After 911 I lost my job & I went to a free job fair held at Madison Sq Garden Do you know I saw this woman wearing a suit & makeup? She seemed to be having no problem with her on the spot interviews!I bet this ex- homeless panhandler has a better job than you & me.

All I’m saying is that even a poor w. person has more of an advantage than an educated articulate black person. So it’s foolish to compare us to them because until we actuall start OWNING our own ish & hiring our OWN people to run our OWN ish we can’t compare to them!

I’m more concerned about my folks & fixing the damage we have in our race. I think african-americans are a depressed people & we need to heal first.

Dear Black people,

Why shouuld we give a rats ass what whites in america or abroad say or think. The few with power use racism as a tool to get richer. Most white folks are as disadvantaged as other races and simply perpetuate racism because they are angry, incompetent people. The image of whites is an illusion.

Who gives a fck about them and their issues. Stop listening to all the hate and stupidity it distracts us, black people, from focusing on improving ourselves.

White people and black people who participate in racism are laughable at best.

Next.

So, what is Rihanna doing now?

P.S.-Tell Al Sharphair and Messe Jackson to stay home, they have done enough damage. We need the younger generation to stand up because we have more clarity into the ways and opportunity of the future for black americans.

Get you head out of the 60′s. The model for racism has changed and the leaders must follow suit.

Racism is alive and going strong.

Bahama Mama Said:

“and like i said everyone is brought knowing right from wrong and if wanna take the wrong path that is on you. but leave the music bussiness out of it…the ish is entertainment”

Let me be the 1st to say – EVERYBODY DON’T KNW RIGHT FROM WRONG! My sister will tell you how down right pathetic & ignorant some of her students parents have been.

A parent actually cussed her out for giving her child to much homework?! One didn’t show up for parent teacher conference because she was too busy getting ready for the dang club!

Yes rap is a art form & it has it’s place as long as the public is offered other alternatives. Back in the day we had gangsta rap but we also had party music too, we had Conscious awareness hip hop like Public Enemy, De La Soul & KRS1 as well as Poor Righteous Teachers yet there was Heavy D, Big Daddy Kane, Positive K, Stetsasonic ect.

Today everything is about the foolishness ‘Do the Soldier Boy???’Just foolishness!

These kids are receiving no substance no nutritional value from these lyrics to counter affect the foolishness they receive on the streets & at home.

It’s the equivelant of eating the Big Mac Special at McDonalds 365 days out the year—how can you expect to be healthy after that?

By any definition of racism, you statements are unfounded. It seems you don’t like for people to make progressions in their thinking, or to be honest about there misconceptions. It would be easier for you to label them racist because you don’t want to deal with the issues. I know change hurts but you will feel a lot better afterwards..

What issues?

BTW: In a real debate/discussion, you must respond to my direct argument, not ramble on about stuff that makes no sense like ‘you don’t want change’.

You have to lay out your rebuttle. duh.

are you going to respond to what i said regarding his comment and the general definition of racism?

Friend of Sean Bell charged in beating of fiance

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BY NICOLE BODE and ALISON GENDAR

DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITERS

Thursday, September 27th 2007, 4:00 AM

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One of the unarmed men wounded when cops killed a Queens bridegroom in a barrage of 50 bullets was arraigned yesterday on charges he beat his fiancée, authorities said.

“F—— b—-,” Trent Benefield, 23, allegedly yelled before he leaned out his car window and punched Nyla Page-Walthrus, 19, in the throat. He then smacked her with the vehicle’s door, grabbed her by the neck and hit her in the face, authorities charged yesterday.

“I’m not guilty,” Benefield said after he was released from Queens Criminal Court yesterday. His lawyer Michael Hardy called the complaint “a fiction of police officers.”

Benefield was in a car with Sean Bell last November when he, Bell and Joseph Guzman were caught in the fusillade. Bell was killed. Three plainclothes detectives who fired the shots have been indicted.

Page-Walthrus, 19, the mother of Benefield’s 9-month-old son, refused to cooperate with cops, but did get an order of protection against Benefield.

“I’m not surprised by the arrest,” said Michael Palladino, president of the Detectives’Endowment Association. “Benefield, Guzman and Bell all have criminal histories and that’s why they ran from police that night.”

Police sources said Benefield had check stubs in his possession, including one for $7,000, when he was arrested. He told cops the checks were loans advanced from a financial institution against an eventual cash settlement with New York City over the shooting.

Lawyer Sanford Rubenstein confirmed Benefield had received such loan payments as well as victim assistance checks from the Rev. Al Sharpton’s National Action Network.

agendar@nydailynews.com

@Nahnah

saying “i was suprised to see a black restuarant so civilized, i couldn’t believe it was the same as a white restaurant” IS an example of the definition you provided.

in other words, whites are better(superior to) than blacks.

I already told you that it could be applied to the past as in Bill WAS a racist. Do you not understand the conversation and that the end result was positive!? WE know that WE are NO different than any other race, but OTHERS sometimes do not. When someone confesses their misconception that is now changed, they shouldn’t be label by their previous though process otherwise the race dialog will never be truely open for discussion. GET IT?? Answer my question for once.

@NahNah

No, I know he didn’t admit to having misconceptions, the whole dialog was directed at Whites who have never been around or are afraid of Black people because of their misconceptions. I gave you the benifit of the doubt by saying that even if HE believed those misconceptions (which U think he does) that his misconceptions were proven wrong therefore the best you could say is that he WAS a racist.

Look, its obvious you had your misconception about him from the jump and you can’t be swayed because u like where you are at emotionally. That’s cool.

I gave you the benifit of the doubt by saying that even if HE believed those misconceptions (which U think he does) that his misconceptions were proven wrong therefore the best you could say is that he WAS a racist.

Look, you’re getting on my damn nerves.

It’s not what I think, it’s what he’s said himself.

I WAS SUPRISED TO SEE BLACK PEOPLE CIVILIZED AT A RESTAURANT, SITTING AROUND, ENJOYING THEMSELVES, AND EATING LIKE NORMAL PEOPLE. HE THEN WENT ON AND SAID THAT THE RESTAURANT IS JUST LIKE ANY OTHER RESTAURANT IN NEW YORK CITY, EVEN THOUGH IT’S OWNED BY BLACK PEOPLE.

Those were his words, NOT the words of others. And his comment was not in regards to other racist white people, but to legitimize his claim that some black people are starting to think for themselves. And THAT’S why he said things are equal NOW in the American society because a lot of black people are avoiding Sharpton and Jackson.

Seriously, what is your problem?

lacyd & And…

I agree with both of you. I just had a conversation a few days ago, discussing how alcohol is more harmful than weed. Of course I don’t agree with anyone doing illegal drugs and I don’t drink. You can ask any police officer and they’ll tell you that alcohol causes more deaths than someone smoking weed.

I’ve heard Officers say they get more calls on Friday and Saturdays than any other day, because people get drunk and become suicidal or violent toward others.

“I’m not surprised by the arrest,” said Michael Palladino, president of the Detectives’ Endowment Association. “Benefield, Guzman and Bell all have criminal histories and that’s why they ran from police that night.”

So they deserved to be shot at because they had criminal records?

This is indeed a seperate case, but I don’t expect police brutality supporters to treat it as such.

I’d like to know what the girl had to say, btw.

BTW tscombo:

O’reilly also blamed the victims of Katrina on their alleged crack habits. Nothing to say about that?

Like I said before, Bill O’Reilly doesn’t need me to defend him, but from listening to him, he doesn’t strike me as a racist, (even though I’m sure the environment he grew up in wasn’t as open minded on races issues like you and I grew up in). There are some commentators and talk radio hosts I consider to be racist to varying degrees, but I don’t put him in that category.

Like someone said, it’s a generational thing. Bill was born in the 50′s , so he’s only going to have so much of an open mind on race matters compared to someone born in the 80′s.

Still, I’ve seen him on TV and heard his radio show quite a bit. And when he speaks on race issues he’s always seemed to me to wish the black community well. He seems bothered by some of the issues like the high unwed-birth rate, the crime rate, the negative effects of popular rap etc.. But to me, it’s always struck me like a “black America really needs to do better” thing, but in a positive, not negative way. Obviously, for a white man so say those things and point out those issues is always a touchy thing, and sometimes if he doest choose his words carefully, it can often be taken the wrong way.

Still, I’ve heard several (white) talk radio hosts speak about some of the “issues” black America needs to overcome. It makes me cringe sometimes to hear it, but usually what they say is quite true, and most of the time I feel like they’re trying to be positive with it, because they do wish black America well and don’t want to see black America being “left behind”, so to speak.

At the end of the day, if people want to call him a racist, it doesn’t matter that much. Fact is, we’ve got to do better as a people. That’s what should be really important, not what OReilly or some other commentator has to say about blacks being well-behaved in restaurants.

We’d be better served as a people if we spent more time asking ourselves what we can do to improve our community, rather than just getting mad every time so tv personality says something about us we don’t like.

There were tons of whites during the most racist years who stood up against racist, so the fact that he was brought up in the 1950′s means nothing.

Some of the most racist people I’ve encountered are my age – or younger, and I’m 26 years old. What’s the excuse for them?

Popular rap is not the real issue here, so stop trying to fool yourself. Those issues existed before the birth of rap music.

BILL IS A RACIST.

OK. I guess I’ll be accused of “defending racists” again…

But I just hate to see anyones’s words get twisted. At least if people are going to form an opionion, they should do so based on the original facts, not distorted facts. So many people are being intellectually dishonest on here, twisting the quote, and adding to it, or leaving stuff off,to help make their point. From Cnn.com:

“On his September 19 radio show, O’Reilly said he took civil rights leader Al Sharpton to the Lenox Avenue fixture and “couldn’t get over the fact that there was no difference between Sylvia’s Restaurant and any other restaurant in New York City.”

“I mean, it was exactly the same, even though it’s run by blacks, primarily black patronship,” he told listeners. “It was the same, and that’s really what this society’s all about now here in the U.S.A. There’s no difference.”

And later, speaking with National Public Radio correspondent and Fox analyst Juan Williams, O’Reilly said there “wasn’t any kind of craziness at all” during his dinner with Sharpton: “There wasn’t one person in Sylvia’s who was screaming, ‘M.F.-er, I want more iced tea.’”

“It was like going into an Italian restaurant in an all-white suburb in the sense that people were sitting there and they were ordering and just having fun,” he continued. “

Yes I Said It,

Bill’s words were’nt twisted. I listened to the audio and I read the transcript.

@NahNah

You need sound clips and sources, 4 those quotes. Sorry, if facts are getting you upset. You are grasping at straws at what you overheard someone say who probably heard it from someone else. The flavor of the month is ‘racism’and you eat it up. Try doing some research and look at things logically. If you would then this conversation would be a lot different. PEACE

@ Yes I Said It,

The problem lies in his expectations. What did he expect to happen? I can read the commentary over and over again. I see his trip to a black owned business as an experiment. That insults me given his history (to me personally). It seems like he was shocked to see black people behaving as his white counterparts. But what if he had seen otherwise. What would he be preaching to his viewers then? He’d likely have more of an I told you so tone. I said it once, and I’ll say it again. I don’t need Billy O to sell my civility to his viewers. We as a people are mostly civalized, we celebrate different, we play different, and we entertain different. It doesn’t make us any worse than whites, it just makes us different. We will never be the same socially, but our fight lies in being equal economically.

Well, Nahnah. I made comments on a variety of issues, not just popular rap. I dont know why you chose to focus on that so much.

But I see you like to “cherry-pick” which pieces of someones comments you want to respond to, (while ignoring the others) as if that’s what the bulk of the person’s comment is really about. Hmm. Intersting technique.

Anyway. I’m glad you have firmly established that Bill is a racist (or “BILL IS A RACIST” ,as you put it). We’re so happy that you thoroughly got that off your chest today. Other issues in the black community are not that important to you today, just Bill O’Reilly. I’m sure Bill would be flattered, if not bewildered, that he consumes your thoughts and emotions so much.

Bye for now, NahNah.

OK. Hypothetical question for some of you:

For those white people who’ve said “Barack Obama is so well spoken” , does that mean they’re racist ? ‘Cuz we all know that what they rally mean is: “Obama is so well spoken FOR A BLACK MAN”.

(Keep in mind by the way, that some of the people who’ve said this actually SUPPORT Obama).

[Would be interesting to see some of your responses to that.]

For all of the people saying that rap music is not the cause—OK we get that!! But just because it is not the cause, does that make the MAJORITY (not all) of the images and messages that it portrays ok?

I said it once and I’ll say it again–until we, as a black race, stop condoning inappropriate behavior in our community and start denouncing it, we will never advance as a people.

To say that rap is not the cause is a HUGE cop out to me, because as the saying goes… If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.

Rap music degrades (most of the music, not all) OUR women, promotes an illegal lifestyle and glorifies drug dealing to OUR youth, it gives a negative depiction to other races (those that are unenlightened) of OUR culture. These are the things that you want to DEFEND?!? This things are not my opinion, they are fact. What percentage of rap music is negative versus positive?

In the 80′s when NWA was rapping about ‘F*ck the Police’it was making a statement against police brutality and the ‘majority’didn’t understand that. Now rap music is just vulgar for no reason. You can’t even defend the harsh words in defense of the message anymore.

Even if Bill O’Reily’s comments were coming from a racist viewpoint (I don’t know, I didn’t listen to the recording), who do we have to blame for the negative stereotypes of our race, culture and communities?

We MUST evolve…

TTime… welcome to the board, buddy.

And yes, I agree. We must stop making excuses for bad behavior. But keep in mind some of the same people who make excuses for rap also think OJ was innocent, the teenage girl in the video with R Kelly “knew what she was doing”, Mike Vick shouldnt go to jail cuz he was “only fighting dogs”, we should never “snitch” to the PO-lice, etc etc.

We gots to do better. I mean really!

Yes I Said It, I disagree. I’m not an Obama fan, but I do agree that he is a great orator. There are very few people who are and even fewer in politics. Bill Clinton, Reagan, JFK and FDR are the only great orators we’ve had in offie in the last 60+ years. Of those running this time, Obama and Edwards are the only ones who I’d describe as “well spoken”

@ Yes I Said It:

I am a black woman and would choose to be NOTHING else. That being said, it embarrasses me to my CORE when there are a group of students on television and all of the white students speak proper grammar and the black students’grammar is “cause I be saying… I ain’t got nothin’…You is wrong….Ma cousin and nem”

So to answer your questions, does that statement make the white people racist…In my opinion, no because in my estimation at least 70% (guesstimate) of the black race uses horrendous grammar. The grammar is so horrendous to the point of being embarrassing.

We can’t continue to ignore or excuse away the shortcomings of our culture–that’s ALL I’m saying.

@Ttime

What’s even more embarrassing is that if you listen to the artists, like diddy, they are talking the same way. All the money in the world and they are giving interviews using double negatives and splitting verbs left and right. It is embarrassing.

@ Ttime

Oh I’m evolved. Hip Hop is only a minor issue in an epidemic that is not only plaguing the black community, but the white, hispanic, asian, etc. communities as well (I had to quote myself, I’ve already said that today). What else can we place the blame on that’s not blaming ourselves (and by ourselves, I’m talking about ALL Americans). Well there’s Hollywood, the constant obsession with less than perfect celebrities who are smoking and druging themselves into an early grave. There’s Music Stations that promote alcoholism (MTV’s realworld, BET’s College Hill, VH1′s everything). There’s A & E which basically gives you the blue print to get away with a crime by constantly telling the tricks of real crime scene investagators. There’s CNN, FOX News, and MSNBC where the only definition of breaking news most of the time is if someone is killed (VA Tech, giving other depressed and psycho individuals the will power to carry out there dream of killing innocent people). There is our government who believes that killing people is the best punishment a person can get (death penalty, or an eye for an eye). What else…

You can spotlight rap all you want, but I think we all know, it’s just the tip of the iceberg.

@ Lacyd:

Rap music IS NOT the tip of the iceberg in OUR communities. You all seem to MISS the point completely… When Lyndsey Lohan is drugged out of her mind or Britney Spears is neglecting her children, it is not used as a reflection on the ENTIRE white race.

However, rappers are somehow depicted as the snapshot for the black community. If you don’t know that a black person must be TWICE as good just to be seen as equal, then, sorry, but you still have a lot of learning to do.

@ AND…

I started to watch that panal on BET, but I couldn’t understand what Mike Jones was saying, so I changed the chanel. But which one said that no one would watch the video if women weren’t half naked??? That’s was a very dumb thing to say. I find the most interesting videos to be the ones where the people have clothes on (Common’s Testify, Kanye’s Jesus Walks, or even back in the day…Michael Jackson’s old videos. Just about all of his video’s were highly entertaining and guess what, people were actually dressed.)

@ Ttime

I respect where you’re coming from, but then again, you also have to appoint responsibility to the Parents of children who listen to this music, the Adults who listen to this music, and also (Which emphasis’your point of veiw) the responsibilty that the artist that produce this music have…

Like another person on the colum mentioned, Parents cannot keep blaming Hip Hop for their childrens behavior. Too many of our cable providers give us the option of a lock on certain channels, so if you don’t want your child to see booty shaking hoes then put a lock on that program. Also, parents have to spend time with their kids and get their intrest in something more productive.

Adults also have a key role. And when I refer to Adults, I mean people who are able to make decisions for themselves. Any where from 18-50, these people have to understand dealing drugs are not good, no matter how cool this rapper makes it sound, not caring about education is not good, not participating in educational events is not good! Those who take these fanticies that hip hop artists portray and try to make it a reality have got a wharped view on life, and it reflects on our culture as a whole.

And Hip Hop artist also have a major contribution to this. Even though they make certain music for certain people, at the end of the day, THEY HAVE THE POWER TO DICTATE WHO LISTENS TO IT. Not to sound adjetated but too many artist try to say, My label does this and that, but that is their voice on the track and their signature on the dotted line. They know that their music is distributed to X, Y, and Z and if your not looking to sell to a certain crowd, then they have the power to do so.

And the list doesn’t stop here, think about sitcoms, commercials, hollywood movies, our public schools… this does not start and end with hip hop…

@ Ttime

I didn’t miss your point at all. I disagreed with it, but it wasn’t missed. So I hope you weren’t talking to me when you said YOU PEOPLE. Anyway, what God of entertainment made rap the mirror of African American Life? Hip Hop is an easy target because of the blatant message that it sends out. I’m not a hip hop person, so don’t confuse me for someone who is defending it. My argument is, that if you want to clean up our community, if you only focus on rap, the only thing that will happen is that you’ll have cookie cutter rap music, curse word free, women clothed, no drug use in the songs, but it will still be going on in our community and others as well because it’s not the only problem plaguing our community. Our children have no real role models. Everyone is out to make a buck. We live in an environment where the rich and famous lifestyle is glorified, no matter what they do behind closed doors. We live in a generation where parents would rather sit their children in front of a TV so that the kids won’t be in their hair (oh hell, I’ve done it before, but my son is two, I make him watch Leap Frog).

Regardless of what some of you believe, our youth do not only look at black artist (you’re not giving them enough credit). They know who Lindsey Lohan is, and Paris Hilton, or Britney Spears. They are a part of our generation. It’s not just 50 or Lil Wayne. They look up to the white celebs too.

@ LetsBreal:

I agree 1000%. Read my first post on this issue about quality parenting. I know all about the lack of it in our community because for one, I am black and two, I work with at-risk, black youth.

I just want to see us become better as a race…that is all.

@ Everyone

Boy are we funking it up in here. We agree, we disagree. I say we call up one of these media outlets and get our own show. I’d watch it.

@Daria..

I hear you but…Keep in mind there is a big difference between saying a man is a great orator , and saying he “speaks well”. I have always had the impression that when Obama came on the scene and white people kept saying he “speaks well” they were talking more about hid diction and manner of speaking in general , that him being an orator per se.

At first I was highly offended, cuz I’ve never heard white folk sound impressed that a white candidate “speaks well”, so my impression is that they meant, “he speaks well for a black guy”. Several black people I spoke to felt the same way.

But I guess since you have so many black celebrities and public figures who speak so poorly, one can only get so upset with white people if they did feel that way, sorry to say.

My point is, stereotypesa are harmful, and even hurtful sometimes, but most sterotypes are based on fact to some extent. If other races have negative stereotypes about us, maybe our own actions have contributed to that in some way.

Real talk.

@ Lacyd:

I agree COMPLETELY with your last statement. And if I recall correctly I said ‘you all’and not ‘you people’, so, no, I was not JUST speaking to you. But, I hope you got my point when I said that the negative behavior displayed by white america is not viewed as an INDITEMENT (sp) of white america.

The rap music comments came from the fact that Bill O’Reily made reference to the fact that that is the view gained from watching rap videos.

@ Ttime

Right, thats exactly what we need to strive for, becoming a better race! And we need to differentiate between if people like Bill are helping us to do that, or if not. If Hip Hop is helping us to do this or not.

Thank you for your posting!

@Yes I Said It

I second that motion

@Yes I Said It in support of your comment

You’re right; along with old school Whitney Houston, Luther V., Marvin Gaye, etc. Those artists had more substance to their work. I also recall TI saying that rappers are only talking about real life in their music but the artists mentione above didn’t have naked girls or use the N word or any of the stuff these young artist are. And we are better off today than we were 10,15,20 years ago, wasn’t life hard for black folks back then too?

ok, y’all. I’m out for the day. Its been grand.

There were a few ignorant moments , but its been a good discussion overall. Holla )

@ And…

What I can never figure out about rappers saying that they are depicting what is going on in the hood because as soon as they make their first Mil and move out of the ghetto, how can they know what is going on in an environment that they no longer exist in?

We have seen every rapper’s house on MTV Cribs… and none of those homes were in the ghetto. So, I agree with the person who says that they are pimping our youth. Rappers don’t know what is going on in the ghetto because they no longer live in the ghetto. This means that any album beyond their first album is all fabrication and storytelling. Where’s the truth in that?

In one breath Five Cents can say to Cameron that he is not in the hood, ‘What do you want me to do stand on the corner and smoke weed with them? I did that when that was my hustle..that is not my life anymore’. But when he is promoting his latest album, his words are a depiction of what is going on in the ghetto. Really? Does anyone else see the extreme CONTRADICTION in that?

These rappers are more likely to live in Bill O’Reilly’s neighborhood than to live in the hood. So continue to defend their non-sense if you choose…

Bill O’Reilly needs to start listening to some Yolanda Adams and stop listening to so much rap music. He is obviously bored and needs something to occupy his time. Jesus, maybe? A mission trip to New Guinea? Just a thought.

Sorry, if facts are getting you upset.

You wouldn’t recognize fact if it came up and bopped you upside the head! I like the way you ignored my other post.

You are grasping at straws at what you overheard someone say who probably heard it from someone else The flavor of the month is ‘racism’ and you eat it up. Try doing some research and look at things logically. If you would then this conversation would be a lot different. PEACE

Notice his emphasis on many. This guy has been in the game for a really long time and knows exactly how to get his racist points across without being so overt about it. And it’s sad that so many people have been duped to even think he’s legitimately concerned about blacks.

Feel free to listen to the audio on your right hand corner.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200509150001

Face it hun, you’re a tool. These racists LOVE people like you because their diplomacy and such are able to fool your type, and that’s what they need. They need a black mask (pun intended) to hide their white racism.

Once again Ttime, I’m with you.

Just to ellaborate on that, I think they are talking about what is going on in the Ghetto, because they were raised in the ghetto, but that doesn’t mean that they have to spead that to others (And again, there needs to be parental responsibility)

Thats like a group of women who have been sexualy abused all their lives and now they make millions of dollars and are now starting a movement that tells people how good sex is.

And yes there is a difference between people hustling to survive and being a victim of abuse, but isn’t this the same message? Some Hip Hop songs are telling people its ok to sell drugs, its ok to call women out there name, its ok to pursue money and nothing else… It’s harmful, because there are really people living up to this.

All and all, I believe we should have more Hip Hop artists who glorify coming out of the ghetto through education, having a good relationship with your parents, standing up for JUSTICE. And I know that we’re a LONG way from making that happen, its just sad that Hip Hop doesn’t support that. Instead it supports coming out of the ghetto through getting money – by any means -. I like all kinds of Hip Hop music, and I know a lot of us do, so why can’t we make this change?

@tscombo

Sorry, if facts are getting you upset.

You wouldn’t recognize fact if it came up and bopped you upside the head! I like the way you ignored my other post.

You are grasping at straws at what you overheard someone say who probably heard it from someone else The flavor of the month is ‘racism’ and you eat it up. Try doing some research and look at things logically. If you would then this conversation would be a lot different. PEACE

This conversation will NOT be different if you continue to deny racism and dismiss logic. You have made a stupid assumption, and I’d like for you to eat your words. And I think by the end of this discussion, you WILL eat your ignorant words.

Again, since you refused to respond to the other post, I will repeat.

Mr. O’Reilly stated that he was SUPRISED to see black peopel civilized at restaurant, sitting around, enjoying themselvs, and eating like normal people. He then went on and said that the restaurant is like any other restaurant in New York City even though it is owned by blacks. He then goes on to say that things are different NOW and that’s because, as he mentioned earlier, black people are starting to think for themselves.

Sooooo, all that other b.s you were talking about, claiming he was talking about “other” white racist and crap like that is completely FALSE. Either we were listening to different audios, or you just want to legitimize your racist defending ways. Which was is it? eh?

BTW: here’s his quote regarding the Katrina victims.

Many, many, many of the poor in New Orleans are in that condition. They weren’t going to leave no matter what you did. They were drug-addicted. They weren’t going to get turned off from their source. They were thugs, whatever.

Notice his emphasis on many. This guy has been in the game for a really long time and know very well how to get his racist points across without being so overt about it. And it’s sad that so many people have been duped to even think he’s legitimately concerned about blacks.

Feel free to listen to the audio on your right hand corner.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200509150001 t

Face it hun, you’re a tool. These racists LOVE people like you because their diplomacy and such are able to fool your type, and that’s what they need. The need a black mask (pun intended) to hide their white racism.

Well, Nahnah. I made comments on a variety of issues, not just popular rap. I dont know why you chose to focus on that so much.

But I see you like to “cherry-pick” which pieces of someones comments you want to respond to, (while ignoring the others) as if that’s what the bulk of the person’s comment is really about. Hmm. Intersting technique.

I think I’m entitled to responding to whatever I want to respond to. It’e either because I agree with you or I don’t think it merits a response. It’s not a technique, so enough with the paranoia.

Anyway. I’m glad you have firmly established that Bill is a racist (or “BILL IS A RACIST” ,as you put it). We’re so happy that you thoroughly got that off your chest today. Other issues in the black community are not that important to you today, just Bill O’Reilly. I’m sure Bill would be flattered, if not bewildered, that he consumes your thoughts and emotions so much.

How do you know other issues are not of importance to me? I’m more bothered by racist defenders than I am by Bill’s word. Apparently, he consumes your thoughts since you’re so passionate about defending his racism.

My issue is with racism and not necessarily Bill.

That being said, it embarrasses me to my CORE when there are a group of students on television and all of the white students speak proper grammar and the black students’ grammar is “cause I be saying… I ain’t got nothin’…You is wrong….Ma cousin and nem”

That’s funny because in Haiti, the Creole-speaking majority are looked down upon by the French-speaking, elite minority. And that’s the same thing in Jamaica. The patois speaking majority are considered uneducated.

In fact, tht’s the same thing all over, including America of course. I don’t know if I expect ghetto dwellers to speak ‘

And, of course, when I go to the deep south(I’m from up north), I swear I’m they’re speaking a differernt language – black or white.

I’m not embarrassed at the way I hear a lot of black people speak because I understand. Collectively, blacks have been shunned from the rest of society, so I don’t expect them to speak like their white counterparts.

But I wish more of us did because it would be easier for us. And that’s something I guess that needs to be worked on.

my opinion, no because in my estimation at least 70% (guesstimate) of the black race uses horrendous grammar. The grammar is so horrendous to the point of being embarrassing.

I think your statistics, estimation, guess, or whatever you want to call it are way off.

F*uck him!

Happy Birthday to me!

Happy Birthday to me!

Hapy birthday, happy birthday–

F*ck him and Happy Birthday to me! Lol!!!!!

^^^oooops, Oh, well!

happy birthday, platinum!

BTW:

For a VERY long time, the English dialect was considered sloppy and intelligent by the British. They considered it “barbarous American filth”.

This thread is wayy too serious, i think i’m going back to the Suge Knight’s thread – The latter part of the thread has some of most colorful butchering of the english language i’ve ever been privvy to. It’s hysterical.

LOL@NahNah

U are great. Check this out he said “MANY of the POOR” in NEW ORLEANS are drug addicted. Thanks for proving my point. You are a sheep. Don’t go around continuing to strengthen the stereotype of the angry black female. OPEN YOUR EYES. Stop the name calling, I know how frustrating facts can be. Serious!

BULL S**T….

@ nahnah

Oh but northerners do tend to think that they are inferior to us southern folk (and I hope you can hear my country grammer). And Ttime is right, it’s not where you live, it’s how you live. I’ve been to every side of the US, except the west (though I would like to visit) and what I can tell you is that gramatically (depending on where you go with in the city/state that you’re visiting), there is not much difference in our linguistics. But if you look for us southerners to talk with the southern drawl that so many northerners have depict us to have, then, yeah, you’ll find it. It’s a stereotype, an unfair one at that.

And a side note, I couldn’t see myself in any other part of the country but where I’m at today. Born and Raised Houstonian!!! Go Texans, and Rockets, and Comets, and Astros, and our soccer team who’s name escapes me, and all those other teams…

U are great. Check this out he said “MANY of the POOR” in NEW ORLEANS are drug addicted.

No he did not. He said, Many, many, many of the poor in New Orleans were drug addicted thugs and did not want to leave their sources.

Many, many, MANY of the people who stayed in New Orleans were poor people who lacked resources to escape the hurricane.

Apparently, you’re not too bright. You have been fooled to believe that a person must speak in a very direct and overt manner to get their point across. It’s clear that Mr. O’reilly have labeled many, many, many of the Katrina victims cracked thugs who would rather drown and die than to have left their crack behind.

If you don’t see the racism, elitism, and outright ignorance in this comment, then there’s no reason to continue dialoguing with you.

Thanks for proving my point. You are a sheep.

You do not have a point. You have not responded logically to my argument. Instead, you have resorted to calling me a sheep. And while it’s fine to call me whatever you want, make sure you mix and match it with some logic, otherwise I’ll just see you as a person who’s here to defend racism.

I know how frustrating facts can be. Serious!

Name ONE fact you presented on here so far?

BTW: You purposely ignored the other post because you knew your duty of defending racists would have been exposed further.

@Lacyd

I’m assuming you mean superior, right? If so, then I agree. I think part of it is due to that whole union/confederate the north one crap. Or maybe not, I don’t know. I personally think language is meant to be manipulated (look at all these made up words being added to the dictionary) and do not look down upon people because of the way they speak.

Regarding the “how you live it thing”. I would say there’s some truth to that, but for the most part, people adapt to their environment. Americans speak English because we’re in America.

And it’s good to be proud of where you come from.

@ NahNah

U would rather read into someone’s comments with your own bias. No wonder you can’t be reached. I know you don’t listen to the entire interviews that Orielly has, you would rather pick up snippets from those hater sites. New Orleans did have poverty issues b4 Katrina, sorry. Would you rather Bill Cosby state it?

I called you a sheep (better than tool, right) because of your behavior concerning information. It was obvious you cherry pick sentences but can’t put things into context. You are being lead around angry and won’t allow the dialog on true racism to be open.

You think Bill is a racist b4 these current interview which wasn’t racist, and you still haven’t proven it to be. Instead you read into a sentence and pull out your false interpretation of what was said.

@ nahnah

I did say inferior didn’t I. My bad, rapid typist syndrome in addition to the fact that I’m supposed to be working. What is this, like our 9th topic away from the topic at hand?? I’m telling you, we need to contact one of these media outlets and get our own show. I so would watch it. In response to your response to my response that was trickled down from Ttime’s response, the Europeans think ALL American’s speak broken English. It’s so funny to me. Ever meet an African, I mean one born and raised from Africa…or any one from over seas. They are taught European English. The order of words is different in some of the most simplest of phrases. It’s kind of funny to me that full blooded Africans think they are better than African Americans. (warning: the comment that I’m about to make will likely branch off into an immigration debate). If you are so dissatisfied with the quality of American life or the people here who were born to live it, then why are you here???

tscombo still haven’t responded to my argument. How typical of people like you.

The audio is available for anyone who wants to listen to it. Nobody altered his words or anything like that. It’s funny how Bill is always ‘taken out of context”. When he called Mexicans wetbacks, he claimed he was ‘taken out of context’. When he called Musim women ugly, he claimed he was ‘taken out of context’. When he was accused of sexual harrassment, he claimed he was ‘taken out of context’. I think that phrase will soon run out.

The fact is that Bill O’reilly is a white supremacist who’s goal is to influence a bunch of people to think like him and prevent America from turning into a “rainbow coalition”. He is not at all interested in the betterment of anybody, and that includes poor whites. What he’s interested in is the preservation of the current white, male dominated system. His fixation with blacks is to convince his supporters that the social ills that we feel the white priviledge structure in America is responsible is false.

He always claimed that the ‘far left zealots’are out to turn America brown. He claims that they are trying to “overthrow” white priviledge – something he obviously doesn’t want.

One need not not be an overt racist to practice racism. He does not need to shout “nigger’and hand nosses to be considered a racist.

I don’t buy anything the guy says, and rightly so!

Allowing more minorities in this country will not wipe out the “white race”. It will, however, put all ethnicities on a more equal level. And why would anybody be against that? Unless, of course, they are against equality.

You ARE a tool. And, unlike you calling me a sheep, I was able to elaborate on my points, something you have not done.

@lacyd

EXACTLY: that’s the point I was trying to make. And not just Africans. I hand an Indian classmate who I couldn’t understand alot of what he was saying. I thought it was what we would call “bad English’, but apparently he was speaking standard English English. and the funny thing is he felt the same way about me but just never said anything.

Nevertheless, I believe an improvement in linguistics on the part of blacks would make it easier on us.

@NahNah

You don’t have any points other than how you ‘feel’. I’m talking about substance, things that are actually said in context.

You don’t have any points, you continue to run from one subject to the next without digesting the information, all why name calling. If Bill is a ‘white supremist’how did you explain his recent comments? White supremist don’t put out anything ‘possitive’about blacks and generally prefer the ‘rapper’image of us that is put out there. Bottomline, you feel or hope or wish that Bill is a racist. He is not black, he has a different view of the world than someone that is black, but social issues effect us all black and white. If you can’t address the message, attack the messenger. U can continue to bring up your misinterpretations but you still can’t deal with the issues being discussed.

I’m talking about substance, things that are actually said in context.

Ok – let me quiz you:

1. What does it mean for a person to say they are suprised to see blacks acting in a civil manner AND that a black restaurant is the same as a white restaurant, despite being owned by blacks? As we both know, that comment was NOT in regards to his grandmother or the ‘other’racist. It was his expererience, so what does it mean on his part?

2. What does it mean to claim (without even knowing) that a many, many, many victims of a disastrous hurricane were cracked thugs who refused to save their lives by leaving because they didn’t want to leave their crack behind?

If you are honest with yourself, then I dare you to respond to these questions in a cohorent manner. I doubt that you can do it, but please prove me wrong. Forget about what I’m ‘trying’to do or my angry black womanness or my sheepness. Let’s stick to the subject at hand, here.

See, a smart person disagrees with an opinion and mov on to give their opinion. Not just accuse the person of this and that. Because I will have no choice but to label you as a very intellectually lazy person.

If Bill is a ‘white supremist’ how did you explain his recent comments? White supremist don’t put out anything ‘possitive’ about blacks and generally prefer the ‘rapper’ image of us that is put out there.

Bill is a white supremacist because he defends the white power structure in America. According to him, he has discovered the ‘hidden agenda’by the far left zealots to “brown” America.

In case you haven’t been listening, I said from the beginning that my case agianst this man was due to my history of listening and watching him speak .It’s not 10% due to the recent racist comments he’s made.

For a Bill O’reilly fan, you sure know little of what he talks about.

He is not black, he has a different view of the world than someone that is black, but social issues effect us all black and white. If you can’t address the message, attack the messenger. U can continue to bring up your misinterpretations but you still can’t deal with the issues being discussed.

As if all black people think the same. How classy of you to say that !

The fact that social issus affect everybody is something I know, and I’ll gladly sit here and denounce disparging comments/actions against other groups, including whites.

@NahNah

He is not black, he has a different view of the world than someone that is black, but social issues effect us all black and white. If you can’t address the message, attack the messenger. U can continue to bring up your misinterpretations but you still can’t deal with the issues being discussed.

As if all black people think the same. How classy of you to say that !

Don’t you see what you just did with my comments? Don’t you see the pattern? I didn’t imply that all black people think the same, just that Bill’s backround is different because of his race and how races relate to experience. That shouldn’t have to be explained but you want to pull out of my comments your own twisted view on what you think I was implying.Take people at their word, otherwise don’t be upset when other races continue bigotry regardless of the positive black people they come across. That last comment you made is a great example of what you have been doing the whole time. Thank you for that.

@ nahnah & Ttime

In regards to our phonics discussion earlier. This is priceless…

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070926/od_uk_nm/oukoe_uk_bush_grammar;_ylt=AkDxt84T5vFulEPLtBKwD5IDW7oF

I’ve been keeping up with this issue for the past couple of days and did some thinking on my own. Is Bill O’Rielly a racist…I guess in all honesty I can’t say for sure, but does he consistently use negative stereotypes of african americans as “fuel” to prove often disparaging views of people of color? I most definitely think that he does! Now, there are those who may believe that his comments recently show a “new appreciation” for us…I say, don’t be fooled. Whether we realize it or not, negative stereotypes serve a purpose in our society and have for decades. Yes, the days of black face coons and mammy headscarves has disappeared, but the were subtly replaced with image pant sagging thugs and the purpose is still the same.

Now, before many argue…well if rappers or young kids didn’t dress, look or speak that way…people wouldn’t say the things they say… I ask you this. Why is it that when negative depictions of rap are discussed, we don’t discuss the thousands of white children who buy the music, wear the clothing and…yes speak the same as well? When it suits commercial media…rap is used to sell everything from cars to shoe supports (“I’m gellin…), and that is viewed as a positive, but the minute someone wants to discuss the negatives in the african american community…what is the first weapon of choice…I’ll let you answer that. Are SOME of us part to blame for the new stereotypical views of our youth…hell yes! But at the same time I think that we as consumers and educators of our youth need to be more aware of who actually is perpetuating the negative beliefs and believe you me….it is not the rap artist (they are only pawns on a chess board).

@ gemini62065

AMEN!!!!

WHY DID YOU IGNORE THE QUIZ? SCURRED? MAYBE YOU’LL FAIL? TAKE THE DAMN QUIZ! LOLOLOL!

Are you or are you not going ot take it? Are you copping out already?

Don’t you see what you just did with my comments? Don’t you see the pattern? I didn’t imply that all black people think the same, just that Bill’s backround is different because of his race and how races relate to experience.

Good try, NOT:

tscombo: He is not black, he has a different view of the world than someone that is black, but social issues effect us all black and white.

It seems like you’re the one who’s not following. My response was not because I accused you of STATING or IMPLYING that you thought all black people think alike. I pointed out your lack of class because you’re under the impression that his comments are somehow justified because of his ‘white’experience. That is just like saying the Klan’s viewpoints about blacks, jews, and homosexuals are justified because races relate to experience.

Also, the other day you called it ‘misconceptions’and today you call it ‘viewpoint’. So my quesiton to you is: can a viewpoint and/or misconception be racist? If so, what constitutes a racist vievwpoing? Example?

But, seriously, why not the quiz? Why not the white power thing? Why pick out the stupid stuff? Are you afraid to expose yourself for what you are?

@lacyd:

i wonder how many people will read this and blame the whites for not using proper english. imagine if it were black person, like obama or something?

gemini62065:

i agree. o’reilly’s “concerns” are not legitimate. he has publicaly acknowledged the existence of white power in america and accused ‘left leaning zealots’of attempting to ‘change the complexion of america’by legalizing millions of immigrants.

his reasons for making certain ‘positive’comments about blacks is to enforce in the minds of his supporters the idea that racism is a thing of past (or will be very very very soon, like tomorrow…) because blacks were using silverware at sylvia’s.

he utilizes a very covert tactic that has been able to fool a lot of people( tscombo is a great example of a fool – in a literal sense)into removing the accurate notion/assumption from their minds that white power/white priviledge is the cause of a lot of social ills in america.

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general comment…

the fact is the current republicans/conservatives are not the lincoln conservatives. they are actually a branch of the dixicrats (think strom thurmond and trent lott) who left the democratic party a while ago to form their own – the republican party because they realized there were no hope for them in the democratic party.

unlike the past, their racism has become extremely covert and subtle because that’s the only way they will survive due to the civil rights legislations that has been established within the past few decades.

and these people love black people like tscombo because it helps hide their racism.

@Commonsense:

He was slammed for saying he went to a restaurant in Harlem and had a good time. He was slammed for saying the audience at the concert was nicely dressed. The suggestion was that O’Reilly had racist preconceptions about the restaurant and the concert crowd

Oh wow, he is a happy negro. Is that really what O’reilly said? Or did he say:

You know, I was up in Harlem a few weeks ago, and I actually had dinner with Al Sharpton, who is a very, very interesting guy. And he comes on The Factor a lot, and then I treated him to dinner, because he’s made himself available to us, and I felt that I wanted to take him up there. And we went to Sylvia’s, a very famous restaurant in Harlem. I had a great time, and all the people up there are tremendously respectful. They all watch The Factor. You know, when Sharpton and I walked in, it was like a big commotion and everything, but everybody was very nice.

I couldn’t get over the fact that there was no difference between Sylvia’s restaurant and any other restaurant in New York City. I mean, it was exactly the same, even though it’s run by blacks, primarily black patronship. It was the same, and that’s really what this society’s all about now (notice the “now”) here in the U.S.A. There’s no difference. There’s no difference. There may be a cultural entertainment — people may gravitate toward different cultural entertainment, but you go down to Little Italy, and you’re gonna have that. It has nothing to do with the color of anybody’s skin.

The grandmother talk was totally seperate from his ‘blacks are now civilized’comment.

@ Common Sense

Interesting article. Though I don’t think that Billy O’s grandmother was racist because of the images of rappers that she saw on television. That man is like 157 years old which would make his grandmother like 365 years old. It was common place in her day to be a racist. I can’t even imagine them having tv back then.

But yeah, that article was a good read.

Lacyd,

O’Reilly’s mother illustrates the real harm of hip-hop in mainstream culture (and the harm of putting nigs like Vick on a pedestal). We still only make up 15% of this country. Some whites only know what they see in mainstream “culture.” That might include someone who might want to hire you, or someone who might want to elect Obama. If we represent ourselves as Snoop Dogg and the Wayans, and not as Stanley O’Neil and Kenneth Chennault, then we are to blame. It might not be fair, but how dumb are we for not pimping the game to get one over? Whitey ain’t gonna change, and they aren’t going to import brothas to Idaho, so we gotta represent ourselves better than the way we have.

I don’t care for what Juan has to say. I am responding to the audio I listened to. And if Juan can claim that O’reilly did not make the comments of being “surpised to see blacks eating in such a civil manner”, then both of them are liars. The audio is all over for people to hear.

So, what is your position again? What was he referring to when he talked about how he was suprised to see black people eating like white people? and what did he mean by sylvia’s is a classy restuarant despite its black ownership?

But even assuming that whitey did completely control hip-hop, does that absolve us for cooning ourselves and embarassing ourselves? Does a hoe have no blame for the fact that she allows herself to be pimped? Does she have no other options but to be a hoe?

I think music executives have control on music, period — not just rap music. As I have said earlier, black people and music listeners who really want a change in MUSIC (not just rap music, enough of the scapegoats) we must utilize our purchasing power by way of a mass rebellion because those artists are not interested in making a change. Only a few are, and that’s not enough.

BTW: I can’t stand Obama.

Common Sense (not sure why )

since you’ve been typing on here, you have not said anything. but i am still waiting.

i’d like for you to explain how his comments were not stereotypical, racist, and disparging.

O’Reilly’s mother illustrates the real harm of hip-hop in mainstream culture (and the harm of putting nigs like Vick on a pedestal).

B.S. Name a time in American history when Black people, as a collective group, was advanced in society? Those ignorant rappers came into the game ignorant, and as you should know, money does not buy knowledge. They will remain rich and ignorant. They are victims of complacency. They grew up and accepted the negative black stereotypes vocalized them in their music. They are merely vocalizing what htey are seeing before them. I just wish they would vocalize a solution to the problems instead of embracing and accepting them.

And the reason for defending Vick is because he lives in a society that torture animals on a daily basis. I see it as double standard. I’d defend him if he was a white person.

Some whites only know what they see in mainstream “culture.” That might include someone who might want to hire you, or someone who might want to elect Obama. If we represent ourselves as Snoop Dogg and the Wayans, and not as Stanley O’Neil and Kenneth Chennault, then we are to blame.

All a bunch of bull. We are looked upon through the eyes of those people you mentioned because society has yet to judge us based on who are as a people. The image of black failure is forever in the mind of many, and I doubt it will change anytime soon.

Not all blacks are poor and not all whites are rich.

In fact, there’s a substantial amount of poor white people, but nobody looks at them and bring down the whole white “race”(i hate that word.)

Nobody watches Jerry Springer and say “White trashes acting up again”. Nobody blame Jerry Springer on current condition of poor, rural whites. Nobody sees Britney Spears, Paris Hilton, Lindsay Lohan, and those other trashy celebrities to stereotype white people.

The advancement of black people is overshadowed by those negative images because we live in a racist country that has stereotyped blacks for a very long time. And that’s not because of rap music, you embicile.

Also, if you recognize that white America unfairly judges us based on the coons, and (you’re logic is unreal) you acknowledge that it won’t change any time soon, HOW DUMB ARE WE TO KEEP DEFENDING THIS?!?!

How dumb are we for not silencing these fools that are F-ing it up for the rest of us?

You are great at pointing at the problem, but want white america to change….Well honey, they don’t care. They think it’s a fair playing field and have washed their hands of us. So again, how dumb is it for us to defend those who WE KNOW WILL MAKE USE LOOK BAD?!?!?

^5 to you^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^6

Very well written!

Please excuse me. I meant the 1st article until I saw your second one.

BOTH of them are well written.

1)That’s it honey, keep picking little bits out of the arguement while ignoring those you can’t respond to….You ARE doing that and it’s obvious to me.

2) Don’t list your accomplishments on a a message board. It’s tacky (but good for you dear)..

3) You’ve worn me down, I can’t type a response to that, plus, you’re obviously bright and talented, and care. I’ve no more interest in the negativity we’ve started to spew at each other.

Enjoy your weekend…

Cheers

But for the record. The “world” doesn’t “permit” anyone anything. If you want it, and you have the talent, it’s there for you luv…..Especially in this country.

Again,

Cheers

1)That’s it honey, keep picking little bits out of the arguement while ignoring those you can’t respond to….You ARE doing that and it’s obvious to me.

I have responded to every single line you wrote.

2) Don’t list your accomplishments on a a message board. It’s tacky (but good for you dear)..

No, what’s tacky is you accusing me of failure because I acknowledge and openly denounce racism.

So I needed to find a way to shut you up.

3) You’ve worn me down, I can’t type a response to that, plus, you’re obviously bright and talented, and care. I’ve no more interest in the negativity we’ve started to spew at each other.

Me neither. I’m tired of arguing back and forth actually.

Enjoy your weekend…

Ditto!

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