Quote of The Day: Bill Cosby
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Excerpts from Bill Cosby’s new book:
On criticism:
“Certain people tell us that we are picking on the poor. Many of those who accuse us are scholars and intellectuals, upset that we are not blaming everything on white people as they do. Well, only blaming the system keeps certain black people in the limelight but it also keeps the black poor wallowing in victimhood.”
On raising children:
“All black parents can do right by their children, and all black children can succeed. There is no reason why not.”
“Use standard English when you have your kids together, not Black English. They’ll hear enough of that in the streets…Watch the movie My Fair Lady. All cultures discriminate against people who have not mastered the standard language, and when race is involved, it is all that much harder for a nonstandard speaker to feel competent or even at home in the culture.”
On the media:
“Some of the most negative images of African Americans on TV and in the movies seem to be the most popular among young people—black and white. With both good and bad media out there, you have to help select media for kids that will support their successes and suppress their urge to give up or drop out.”
On black men:
“Gangsta rap makes our young people tough, but not so tough they can walk through prison walls. It can jazz them about sex, but it can’t begin to make them a good father. No matter how often, or how publicly they grab their crotches, crotch-grabbing isn’t even going to get them a bus ride downtown.”
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He’s right, I just hate the way he says it. For instance what exactly is “black english”? Had he said ebonics or slang that would be one thing, but black english? Now, if he was Don Imus Al Sharpton would have been all on his *****…
He makes good points, but he could say it in a less offensive manner. I won’t buy the book!
Anyone seeking higher a higher socio-economic existance can appreciate what Mr. Bill Cosby is saying. I hope that he opens up forums to the communities most afflicted in our society with these issues. As well, I hope to see this philosophy expounded upon beyond awareness and toward real programs and opportunities to change what is going on in our inner-cities and impoverished communities.
Completely agree!
black english is SLANG and EBONICS…YOU are who he is referring to since you didn’t know that.
Maybe somethings needs to be said with strenght, more harsh. How much spoon feeding do some folks need? I find it funny that the ones whom talk about how wrong he is are the same ones with personalities mirroring the foolishness he talks so much about.
Its time for blacks to stop blaming whites for whats wrong in our household. For every time we can’t get a job with subpar educations or every time we get sent to jail, knowing damn well we shouldn’t have been doing wrong in the first place. And thats regarding the idiots that know they did the crime but cry about the amount of time they have.
If we know the system is jacked up and works against blacks why keep doing the same nonsense to make “them” believe they were right for making the screwed up rules in the first place?
And its too old to say that, everytime a black person talks down to other blacks that dont want to do nothing better with their lives, they’re uncle toms.
As long as we have that mindset we’ll still lag behind other races in some arenas. Its no ones fault that so many of our young men are getting caught up in the system. That so mahy of our young men and women glorify and chase the dreams that selling drugs and gaining hood riches can provide. Its not the white mans fault that so many of our young ladies are having kids when they can’t even take care of themselves, having kids with no good negroes, thus forcing their kids to grow up without fathers and a two parent household to give them proper guidance. Therefore making more new groups of young men feel the need to enter into the same mess that made their fathers miss out on their lives. Due to being in jail or dead.
And it is not the white mans fault that so many of our black women are women are dying to diseases.
White folks can’t make us care about our homes, families or give us self respect.
Its time to stop placing blame where blame isn’t always due.
So many kids I see that can bend it, snap it and drop it like its hot, know how to supersoak a hoe and how to make it rain with monopoly money. But ask them to sing the days of the week song, they don’t even know what the hell that is, sad.
finally!!! somebody said it. well said! * hope this topic gets more posts than a “who looke more bangin” rihanna vs .(____________)??
I completely agree with what he says. We have to do better as a people.
“WE GOT TO DO BETTER”!! i love bill cosby. i love that he’s not afraid to go with the less popular opinion. he’s absolutely right.
1. I respect Bill Cosby for all that he’s done for the black community.
2. Bill Cosby is a hypocrite who had a bunch of affairs with other women. So he isn’t one to really talk about family, since he’s been allowing other women to grab his crotch.
3. I don’t believe in ‘blaming it on white people’, but I do acknowledge that racism plays a large role in black poverty. Anybody who denies this needs to be slapped.
4. “Black English” did not appear in thin air. People are products of their environment, and unless they are taught standard English, they will continue to speak “black english”. Blcks were shunned from the larger society, so this is how ‘black english’ came about.
5. The fact is poor blacks ARE victims, just as as poor whites and poor native americans and poor hispanics and poor asians are victims.
6. Our capitilist system promotes a false idealogy that poverty is a result of individual failures, but that’s incorrect. Poverty is a result of the way in which the world functions where a small amount of people control the majority of the wealth.
7. “Gangsta rap”, modern pop, and Hollywood as a whole is in need of a major reform.
8. Billionaire Bill has a genuine concern for the black community, but he’s a hypocritical elite who has a double standard. He is against blaming rich people for the fact that poor people are poor, but he blames the people for being poor.
If Bill is interested in seeing a change he must look at things they way they really are.
So true.
I love what he is saying! He’s right – and coming from a black man, that’s good to see. Everyone see’s that it starts with the children, but how many people are making an effort to change the way they raise their children?
WAKE UP BLACK PEOPLE – START READING YOUR KING JAMES VERSION BIBLES!!! IF ONLY ONE BOOK ALONE READ THE BOOK OF GENESIS!!!!
NAHNAH, you’re wasting time listing out foolishness. Listen to what he’s saying! Who cares what HE’S doing – even if he IS a hyprocrite, what he has just said is absolutely right. Don’t matter his actions; the matter are your own! Come on man – stop watching other people and calling them sinners – aren’t we all?
Actually, we are doing pretty go as a people.( coming from where we came from) Let’s not get the “minority attack”:lalways looking for the worst, to set a collective president of our race. Look at Maryland( GREAT ) Chicago( GREAT )
There are more black millionaire’s in California than there are millionaire’s in Italy,Spain,&South America! ( Let’s not get it twisted)We love to look at those midday shows like ( Maury P. )and believe the hype.Yes we have these FOOLS in our race. But look at the people on Bossip, look in yoiur neighborhood, look at your friends! ARE THEY UPWARDLY BOUND?
Unfortunatly, the drug dealer’s on the corner’s of America define who we are as a people. Remember that white people wanna see is fail.Failing means working for them..NOT —1. owning an NBA org. 2.not exceeding in your own businesses! 3.Not have a black downtown. AND LAST BUT NOT LEAST….
4.Not thinking that we should have these things!
Cosby is the MAN! How unfortunate it is that we attack the m*****enger!
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Bill should put his money where his mouth is.
As a person of power with relationships with the media and entertainment industry, he can work to help reform what’s being presented to young people on TV and radios.
Like many other officials are doing, Cosby should form a relationship with other black people in the entertainment business to work towards a more positive image of black people.
Bill made those comments a few years ago and NOTHING has changed, right? So he may continue to say whatever he wants, unless action isn’t taken, things will continue to remain the same.
You see, if Dr. King and other civil rights leaders didn’t rise up to fight for justice, so many people wouldn’t have stood up.
This is one way Cosby can *****ist in changing the state of black people in America, especially young people who are heavily influenced by what’s being presented to us by the media and entertainment industry.
The bottim line is Bill’s book will not change anything – it’ll just make him richer. Only action will make changes.
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Awake, dear I have always been an admirer of Mr. Cosby, and I still love him till this day. And as my comments show, I agree that there are problems with our community that needs to be addressed.
Question: how many times have we been hearing those words? And what has changed? I believe in actions, and no matter what Cosby says, nothing will change UNLESS we all take action, INCLUDING HIMSELF.
Look as a people who’s endured so much for three freggin’ centuries, I think we’re doing darn well for those 40 years we’ve been given to prove ourselves. From medicine to education to political to entertainment, a lot of us are doing our damn thing. But how many of use who’s made it are willing to lend a helping hand to the weak?
Go support him, buy his book. if you can go out and support Karrine Superhead Steffans and her ***** then you can support a real author.
I never once took offense to what he had to say because I know that it doesn’t apply to me.
If this does apply to you then, stop playing the blame game and let this be a wake up call.
Support his book and stop buying that ***** by Superhead.
? nah nah ? huh?
Is it Oprah’s fault if black America doesn’t adhere?
Is it Cosby’s fault that black America doesn’t adhere?
Talking about the state of black america is never a bad thing.
We gotta be careful not to put the ” black plight” on the shoulder’s of wealthy blacks.
We gotta be careful to put the “black plight ” on the shoulder’s of the absentee black fathers , and inadequet black mother’s.
Cosby is doing what he SHOULD be doing!
Should only ANGELS in the black race speak on our problems?
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Well said Summer27! I agree with you 100%!
@ nah-nah
Respectfully, sometimes,being a walkng example is the best that you can do!
We tend to copy what/who we see!
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I agree with Bill. Tough love is a b*tch sometimes.
And Bill is telling the truth… and to Missohmygoodnezz – slang and ebonics has become ‘Black English.’ You hear more and more black people talking like that every single day, wherever they go – and it doesn’t matter if they’re talking to a teacher, parent, or to an elder – they continuously talk in that type of ‘English’ when they’re speaking to adults. Tell me, how can some of these young black people find a job when they’re speaking to their potential employer in that type of speech?
@ Nahnah:
I believe that we have had this discussion before, stop making excuses for the ills in our society. We all know that ALL situations have a root and a cause, but at some point it stops being a reason and starts becoming an EXCUSE.
There was a time in our communities when being poor meant how you lived, not your MINDSET. Think about the messages given in the black sitcom ‘Good Times’, about a poor, yet hard working, proud black family. Now fast forward to 2007 and what would Good Times look like today?
James Evans would be non-existant because Florida would be a single-mother with three out of wedlock children, all fathered by three different baby-daddys. JJ would be a drug dealer with three baby mommas, yet still living at home with Florida in the two bedroom project apartment. Thelma would be a three time baby momma, with three baby daddys and all of the children would be piled up in the same apartment. Michael would be either dead or in jail.
These are the facts for a lot (not all) low-income, black families in America–and most (not all) of it is our OWN fault. In the past, when we were poor, we were poor, yet hard working and instilling the right disciplines and work ethics in our childre. Today, poverty in a lot (not all) of black inner city communities is synonomous(sp) with bad parenting.
When did the paradym(sp) shift? Why can’t we be poor, yet work our way out of poverty with hard work and education, like other races? Why do we always have to be the stereotype and the “I need a handout, not a handup” recipients?
We, as a culture, must do BETTER. If it takes Bill Cosby to be the spokesperson, so be it!!!
Tiray:
What is your suggestion then? What do you suggest be done?
1. Do you believe in leadership?
2. Do you believe commercial rap plays a negative role in society, especially among black youths?
3. Do you favor rhetoric or change?
4. How long have Bill Cosby and others been making these comments? And what have changed since? NOTHING.
5. I wouldn’t put the ‘black plight’ on the shoulders of Tiger Woods or Charles Barkley since they dont’ raise concerns for the ‘black plight’.
But any powerful black person who publically express concern for the state of blacks need to put up or shut up.
Dr. King was a man of action, who not only fought for the rights of blacks, but continued his quest for justice by advocating for the poor of all races, until he was shot to death.
You see, people like that I respect, others who write books and do nothing, I don’t.
If you agree that parents should be role models for their children, then why not people like Cosby who has so much influence in America? If you don’t agree with that, then you CANNOT put the black plight on the shoulders of rappers. Let us all continue to allow rappers to degrade women and idolize pimps and gangsters.
If Bill Cosby is willilng to take action, then I’m behind him 100%, if not, then he need to shut the ***** up and wait for his time.
This is the same guy who during 50’s, 60’s, 70’s, 80’s & 90’s would chase anything in a skirt.
To suggest Dr. Cosby tnes down his language is absurd. Part of the problem we face in the black community is the fact we expect and want to be treated with kids gloves. Lets stop that and call things the way they are there won’t be any progress if we keep sugarcoating. I believe we need to take more responsibility. STOP DEFENDING COUSIN POOKIE WHEN HE GETS ARRESTED FOR SELLING DRUGS!!! ITS NOT THE WHITE MAN’S FAULT! Yes his sentence is harsher than a white man doing or selling a drug purchased by the elites of our society but when you do wrong you have to know you are putting your freedom, your life, and the lives of others in jeopardy. I hope Michael Vick, T.I., and all the millions of black men who have been apart of the system pick this book up and internalize its message. AMEN!
Especially the negros and lil children that know every line to every hot rap song but can’t tell you the last book they read.
Nahnah, just thought I’d say that this black English woman agrees with you completely!
Mr. Cosby might be surprised to learn that this side of the Atlantic, the number of white English people with good verbal and written English skills must be at an all time low. Perhaps, they too(including a considerable number of my co-workers) should invest in a My Fair Lady DVD…!
It would be good for him to hear that, ironically enough, the most skilled and deft exponents of the “Queen’s English” tend to be black people, with West Indians and Africans more than capable of teaching white, British bred Anglo Saxons a thing or twenty!! If you are ever on my side of the Atlantic, try and catch anything with Moira Stuart (newsreader of Antiguan descent), Trevor McDonald (newsreader of Trinidadian descent) or Paul Boateng (politician of Ghanaian origin)in it. They are extremely well educated, carry themselves beautifully, and are brilliant orators.
Do you know, regarding the low levels of literacy, matters have reached the point where not so very long ago, the head of the CBI which is concerned with business matters in England, expressed his dismay about the fact that many companies were now having to offer remedial English and Maths cl*****es to University graduates. I don’t think that the gentleman was referring to too many black people. And to think that he felt oblised to make such a comment in the land that gave the world *****ens and Shakespeare…..
I think that we as black people are so accustomed to seeing (and being shown) the worst in ourselves and having other people do the same that we often forget that there are others that haven’t gone through our trials and tribulations who are doing shockingly badly. You just tend not to hear about them, especially if they are white.
I suppose Mr. Cosby has a book to sell, and his chosen method is a surefire way of ensuring publicity. I for one would be far more interested in any book he writes that addresses the pain and suffering that he has put his wife through with his numerous indiscretions, and how he squares his own selfishness and hyprocrisy with the call for black people to take more responsibility for our own actions that he is so fond of making. I’d buy that book should he choose to write it….
I totally agree with Bill, but I don’t have time to write a minicase *****ysis over it.
Erase IGNORANCE from people minds, and the world as a whole would be a better place for everyone.
The reason why people have a problem with what Bill says is because its true!!
we need people who can tell it how it is without having to worry about feelings..thats just the problem people always want to be cuddled..grow up!
I saw the interview this moring with Bill and Dr. Poussant on Meet The Press. I was a little disappointed because their thoughts seemed a little unfocused, but having an intelligent conversation like this on a show like MTP is a important.
We can’t ignore the fact that 70% of black children are born out of wedlock, 49% of the US prison population, while making up 13% of the overall US population. That is outrageous. I thought those numbers were inflated, but they are accurate. Two parent homes statistically are less likely to have drop outs and children who fall victim to crime and drugs. I honestly believe that in modern culture, we as blacks tend to do things that are easy outs and have forgotten that education and discipline is and will be our ticket out of this mess. To say that most black families can’t afford tuition isn’t entirely true because there are so many grants and loans available to put our kids in college. Unlike other ethnicities, blacks have not made it part of our culture “not going to college is not an option.” That sacrifice and discipline seems to be lacking. To put it into perspective, black students only comprise of 5% of all the CA colleges population, and black female students outnumber black male almost 2-1.
Why is a sell out to want to become educated and get away from the so called street black culture? I don’t think rap is the cause of our lack of achievement, but people like Dr. Dre and Snoopp Dogg and other artists who exploit the our youth and project the “outlaw image” and “keeping it real” aren’t helping our community. Where conservative arguments fail is the *****umption that blacks are playing on level field. Clearly this is not the case, but unless we change how we want to move forward, without coasting, things will stay the same and probably get worse.
I wander who Mr. Cosby blames when his daughter became a crackhead while attending Spellman. Was it the parents, gangsta rap, the white man, or other black people. I think Mr. Cosby is getting old and bitter and he wants somebody to blame for his dissapointments. What is he doing to help uneducated, poor kids regardless of their race.
Ttime, if you truly think I’m making excuses for the state of black people, then I guess we will never agree.
I’m a radical in a sense where I believe we cannot change things unless we look to the root of it and acknowledge them. Only then we will we see progress.
I merely stated the reasons as to why things are the way they are, and offered SOLUTIONS to the problems.
The solution is EDUCATION.
- Black men are dropping out of schools like crazy because they’re taught in history books that they were slaves and that’s it.
The solution is BETTER REPRESENTATIONS OF MINORITIES IN THE MEDIA
- Stations like B.E.T need a major reform — more educational programs and movies/shows about family, and less booty shaking. As those videos that we all so love to watch creates a sense of emptiness in our psyches and contributes to sexual deviance and lack of family structure.
The solution is SELF ESTEEM BUILDING
- The over-emphasis of European supremacy creates self esteem issues in blacks, and self esteem and confidence are required for progression.
Just because I can bare children doesn’t mean I know how to raise them. A 15 years old or even a 20 years old unwed mother with an ignorant mindset will only teach their children what they know – ignorance.
- Young girls with a better self esteem will not feel the need to get pregnant in order to compensate for the lack of love for themselves.
- Young men will not feel the need to stand in the corner and sell drugs.
A more balanced history in our textbooks will allow our youths to become more involved in their education and will GUARANTEE a lower rate of dropouts and/or failure.
Writing a book will only make Dr. Cosby richer. It will NOT change the problems in the black community. If you don’t believe me, wait till it comes out and you’ll see for yourself.
WEll I guess he has a reason to be bitter, His son was murdered on a Busy HIGHWAY!
He makes some good points! I respect older men like this, that have raised kids of his own, and isn’t a hypocrite! He reminds me of my father, in some aspects!
Mr. Cosby is having the converstion with black america that he should have had with his own son. He was killed while on a date with a white hooker back in the ’90’s.
As the deacons say in the Black church, “Well!”
@franny
maybe, that is why he should preach to US now, to make up for the lost that affected him!
Just look at the story below this one. TI is the kind of low life thug that is celebrated in the black community–especially by the younger people. SELF RESPECT– that is what is lacking the most in our commnunity these days.
Deborah – WELL SAID!
Bill Cosby is more rhetoric than action, and I refuse to bow down to his billionaire *****.
The funny thing is he have dinner with the same folks who are responsible for B.E.T and the other stations who represent blacks as pimps and hoes.
And, you’re right about failures of other ethnicities that are never reported.
For the 40 years black Americans have had to prove ourselves, I think we’ve done pretty well, compared to the 3 centuries of institutional subjugation.
I wander who Mr. Cosby blames when his daughter became a crackhead while attending Spellman. Was it the parents, gangsta rap, the white man, or other black people. I think Mr. Cosby is getting old and bitter and he wants somebody to blame for his dissapointments. What is he doing to help uneducated, poor kids regardless of their race.
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well said!
billionaire bill has been milking the very black people he likes to talk about for how long now?
NahNah and Deborah, I completely agree with what you have written. I do agree with Mr. Crosby to a point. Most blacks do not blame the system or white people but the system does play a role in keeping blacks behind. I have a cousin right now who is in jail serving a crime he did not commit and so are many other black men. When he gets out, it is going to be very difficult for him to get a job even if he does get an education.
But if Mr. Crosby wants to talk about the family structure then maybe he should not have stepped outside his marriage. You cannot point a finger and say this is the problem when you are doing the same thing. I have met Mr. Crosby while I was in the Philly area and he makes good points but you what is he doing to help with these problems?
Build an after school center for kids…most neighborhoods have no facilities for kids to go to after school hence why they’re on the streets. The education system is autrocious and we should blame the system and government. It’s not all about talk but also about actions.
If parents do right by their kids and educate their kids, then they will not be looking up to ten cents as a role model or hanging out in the streets.
How would Ol’ Bill know what African Americans are up to – he’s too busy groping women. Further, it’s too bad he can’t blame us for murdering his son. Where was he then?? He can kiss my sweet a$$!!
history proves everytime a black man rise up and fight for education for his people, he’s knocked down. so the black man must continue to rise up and fight, no matter how much he’s knocked down.
the long forgotten black panthers were repsonbible for numerous educational programs in several inner cities across america. they advocated for the empowerment (not power) of blacks by way of education and self esteem.
the black panthers fought to get blacks out of the military and into schools.
the black panthers were targeted, demoralized, and finally demolished by the u.s. government, as they were considered a threat simply for feeding a bunch of ghetto kids.
the black panthers are not mentioned in history books, and have been deemed ‘extremists’ for their actions of advocating for an overall improvement in the way of life for the average black person.
the black panthers collaborated with several white political groups, and that was not in favor of the government elite, as unity amongst blacks and whites is a direct threat to their elite establishment.
bill cosby’s book will not change things, only his actions (if he chooses to) will contribute to change for the better.
I love Bill Cosby and his way of telling “black folk” what they need to be told ~ THE TRUTH!!! Ignorance will only keep you where you are, in the gutter, lower cl***** and/or in jail!!! Stop blaming the system and look in the mirror. You are the problem if you’re not raising your kids right. Where are the weak, absent black fathers? Up in someone else’s draws and not being a man and raising their SONS! It’s pitiful anyway you look at it.
To the BronxBrawler, what does Bill’s skirt chasing past have to do with the State of the Black community??? Not a damn thing, so wake up or shut up!!!
I’m happy to read the discussion so far. It seems like the general consensus is that we agree Black people must do something, so i say this to someone like NahNah who has a pessimistic view posed as realistic, I say this….Bill Cosby has put up, the book thats being published is an instruction manual for blacks to read. I mean think of it, white people buy books all day long teaching them how to be a better parent, or about better ways to keep their kids healthy and this book is the very same thing, just dedicated to the Black audience.
So I dont agree that nothing will change because if planet Earth itself can move in such minute incriments that we cant even feel it turning then that makes me beleive that the smallest drop of hope can breed change as well as a spark does a powerful flame.
Also I will say this, Bill Cosby did do something before – he made the Cosby Show, thank God for that – because for that one time he was responsible for showing that there could be a strong, inteligent, and cultured black family with morals and a solid knowledge of herritage and self…. So to Mr. Cosby, as far as I’m concern he’s done his part. I’m not looking to be lead anymore – I have 2 kids that need to be lead each and everyday and I’ll embrace any idea of improving myself and my family.
You guys are all great – lets not let’s feed this dialouge to teh ones around us, each one teach one, that’s how you grow. Martin Luther King never made life better for us, he was like Cosby, just a messenger saying we could do better – it took hundreds of thousands of Black people to unite and demand better for themselves to break down the proverbial Walls of Jericho.
I’m doing BETTER – Lets ALL do BETTER…
Bill Cosby is far from rhetoric. The man has donated heavily to minority causes and he’s traveling the country working on programs that address this very issue.
I guess people would rather Cosby keep quiet and sit at home with his millions…many of our black entertainer do. It’s easy to keep your mouth shut and collect your checks. I admire his courage to speak up…so few do. This is Bill Cosby…he hardly has to write a book for money.
Someone said the problem can be fixed with better representations of blacks in the media. I beg to differ. Change begins at home. I grew up well enough to know the fool ***** material I see on t.v. is bafoonery. I feel sorry for the people who can’t tell, or who have to look to people on t.v. to find their heroes.
I work in t.v. its not changing people…at least not until people like me-from my generation start running things. That won’t be for a while. We can’t rely on things to change around us. We have to make them change.
haha @ val – a racist guy murdered his son, yet he’s acting as if racism doesn’t exist.
I agree with him 100%. “Black English did not appear in thin air. People are products of their environment, and unless they are taught standard English, they will continue to speak “black english”. Blcks were shunned from the larger society, so this is how ‘black english’ came about.” Just because this is all around you doesn’t mean it’s acceptable. Just because he has been unfaithful in the past, or wether he still is to this day, doesn’t mean this man cannot tell his own race of people what he feels is best for them as a race. Every day somebody sins, we all are going to sin. That being said, doesn’t mean I cannot ask God for forgiveness and repent. If he didn’t give a *****, why would he waste his time speaking and trying to help his own race. Not to mention all the money he has given to historically black colleges.
the message being delivered is truth, regardless of any feelings toward the messenger or its delivery. our community does need help, parents do need to begin speaking proper english to their children and/or ensuring they understand that there is a
time and a place to use slang and a time and a place for proper english. referring to it as black english isn’t offensive at all to since that’s essentially what it is. a term like ebonics is more offensiveif anything, given it’s root. the fact that he has had his own personal struggles doesn’t diminish the accuracy of his messages. also, just because we don’t hear about any of the positive things he does for and in our communities doesn’t mean they don’t exist. in my opinion, we are rarely privy to the positive acts of blacks through the media. i invite anyone who questions his committment to got to his website or read up on what he does (other than make seemingly controversial statements
).
i truly believe these rants/thoughts are coming from a place of frustration, disappointment and concern. Lord only knows what he and many people during his time had to go through to get the same opportunities that we now squander. i can’t imagine how disheartening it must be for to watch our culture self-destruct after scratching and clawing to get us in a position to succeed.
and to FrannyG: that statement you made about his son was cold and heartless. it seems like you’re blaming him for choices that his grown son made. [please correct me if i'm wrong]you don’t know what lessons or caveats he gave his son. but, much like our people, you can’t force someone, not even your own child, to heed your advice. and, as ms. sugar walls said, maybe he is trying to prevent the same thing form happening to someone else’s kid.
@ Nahnah
I know – that’s what makes his comments of late so whack!! Why doesn’t he attack Russian people (the nationality of the racist ***** who killed his son).
I fully support and applaud the principles behind Cosby’s message, but I’m troubled by his typical delivery style. His tough love sounds a bit too much like elitism, derision, and disgust. And where is the challenge to all black community members? What is the role of the black middle cl***** in this process of uplift? To laugh at Cosby’s jokes, wag our fingers at “underachievers,” and head as fast as we can for the suburban hills? We ALL have work to do — as volunteers and civic parti*****nts. And we can never do enough. How many people reading Bossip have volunteered once this week? Or even this month? I’ll more fully embrace Cosby’s message when he challenges every one of us to reach our potential as black people and do our part to help solve the problem.
wow…sorry that that message is so damn long lol.
ALL I see is some haters that are mad because he has money. He deserves it! He has been around since the 60’s! If you didn’t think that he was gong to be a millionaire after all those years, you are sadly mistaken!
He didn’t say that he was perfect, but What he is saying is true! LISTEN.
racist guy turned out to be the boyfrind of white hooker.
@ SaBrina
I live a privileged life. My daughter is a senior at Columbia University. My husband is self-employed with a thriving business – I help him to run it.
I have no reason to be envious of that self-hating w*****!!
@ Franny G
“racist guy turned out to be the boyfriend of white hooker”
This I never knew – very interesting. It’s amazing how the media has covered this up so nicely. More amazing is how people still defend Bill Cosby. I will never understand it.
@wideya
Martin Luther King never made life better for us, he was like Cosby, just a messenger saying we could do better
________________________________________
Dr. King wasn’t rhetoric, he was action. Dr. King died at a young age because of his devotion to fighting for the empowerment of his people.
it took hundreds of thousands of Black people to unite and demand better for themselves to break down the proverbial Walls of Jericho.
And those thousands of people followed ONE MAN who had the courage, strength, and legitimate concern to get up and risk his life for his people.
Are you familiar with the term pessimistic and it’s true meaning? Because if you were, you wouldn’t be making such comments.
Also, I love the Cosby Show and have already thanked Bill for creating such a memorable show that represented blacks in such a positive light, but one show isn’t enough. Mr. Cosby is part of a system that is partly responsible for representing blacks in such a negative light. Therefore he has the power to change things.
BTW: how many poor people are going to read his books? Is he going to give them out for free, or will his book most likely be read by non-poor people? Will he travel to inner cities and promote his book? Will he make sure those poor people he love so much will actually get a hold of his book?
Look, I will continue to advocate for action. And I support the Congressional Black Caucus for taking action by dialoguing with hip hop artists in an effort to bring about change. This is what I call change, not book writing.
I will be buying the book for sure. He is 100% right. People need to stop focusing on the How he is saying it and nede to focus on what he is saying. Honestly I think he is WASTING HIS BREATH ! the disconnect among BLACK people is so bad. And these SO CALLED EDUCATED kill me , the ESSENCE reading crew is what I call them. Anyway because of this Disconnect among the m*****es of black people . We will always be 2nd rate no matter how many success stories we have. Because we put shine on the Uncle toms , and we question the real money makers. Like they can’t be real , cause yall have never heard of them. If they an’t on TV yall dont know them. Damn SHAME !
@
Andrea, If you don’t agree hat we need a better representation of blacks in the media, then I guess you don’t agree with a lot of what Cosby is saying, because he too blames the media and gangster rap.
@val
Greetings,
Mr.Cosby used to park his navada plate cars up down my south central la street to avoid paying DMV in cali. Oh, he didn’t speak…
Because I stand for something, yes I will buy many copies of his book and donate to my daughter’s Blue Ribbon Distinguished school and other public schools.
VAL
What is your point? We didn’t ask about you, I Feel a little guilty frosting coming from that way!
what does it matter that his son had a hooker? If it wasn’t any revnue for hookers, then it wouldn’t be so many out here now! That has nothing to do with him, his son was 27. He was a grown man.
frannyg, i never knew that – wow! i just thought the guy killed him out of a racist rage.
@ Landie
You will NEVER uplift a people by attacking them in such a vicious manner. If you want to hear how a truly “privileged” and “enlightened” black person speaks, please write to my daughter at Columbia. She did everything M*****a Cosby told us to do right?? ‘We’sa tryn’. By all of Cosby’s definitions, she’s one of the “few who have made it.” I guarantee you – she’ll have nothing nice to say about this man. As if every other ethnic group doesn’t have crimimals/losers/bad parents. Please!!
jlw2119@columbia.edu
@ Sabrina
Well, how the hell can Sir Bill judge us when he raised hs son to pick up AIDS-infested hookers!! You’re not making much sense here.
Well said, Val!
only for people from the hood working in corporate america…we speak standard english on the job…and alot of us have moved out of the hood, but when you go back to the hood…how do you speak…a friend and i just had this conversation….he agrees with me….we do have two dialects…u can’t just roll up on junebug speaking like you’re all goody goody when he knows he’s never heard this coming from u…it’s kind of hard to explain…i guess you have to socialize with two worlds to know the difference…if i were to speak the way i speak in the hood on my job i never would have made it after the 1st interview…
@ Nahnah
Thanks!!
Val, I’m glad you’re speaking it like it is.
And I agree, viciously attacking a people is not the way to uplift them.
The funny thing is he made those comments a few years ago, and nothing has changed. Apparently, his methods ain’t working.
@ boomquisha
This goes without saying. African Americans have ALWAYS been “bilingual.”
how can he preach to black people about how to raise their children, when his was on drugs and ended up getting murdered as a result? What kind of parenting skills did he have? If he had up standing parenting skills his child wouldnt have ended up on drugs. He needs to shut the hell up
@val & nahnah,
Greetings,
my father used to say:
the higher a monkey climbs the more he expose…
@nahnah
The Root of the Current Problem is called “Dissconnect” ! Simple .
get the fluck outta here with the MArtin Luther King Bull***** in 2007. If you really knew HOW MARTIN GOT DOWN you would be disappointed. The man was a walking W***** . Anyway his Tactics dont work in 2007 ask AL & Jesse.
The Root Starts at Home , and Ends at Home. Education AT HOME. College is not the saviour. Plenty of College Educated Black Folk who dont have a clue and who are still not in the Top 1% of wealth . Therefore they have no say in how things go. Again the Root Problem is called DISConnect.
Black People want the world and all its riches on a Discount. We talk whitie this and whitie that but buy MARC JACOBS and Manolo Blahnik before we buy Tracey Reese and Courtney Crawford. WE covet wack ***** shows Like SEx in the City that has not 1 damn fab BLACK Person , but lies about a writer who buys expensive ***** in a city where writers only make 40K a year. I can go on and on and mother f*cking on. We praise the slave ***** Jennifer Hudson and break down anyone who does not remind us of mameee. We got the game all F*cked up. We
And I am speaking on BLACK PEOPLE only because I am Black.
@ coi
I gather he continues to do it because not enough people are taking a stand against him. When you have high profile African Americans setting the stage for him to vent this way, it’s likely to continue. The best we can do is not purchase his books or support him in any other manner.
Val said
@ Nahnah
I know – that’s what makes his comments of late so whack!! Why doesn’t he attack Russian people (the nationality of the racist ***** who killed his son).
Because he needs to start at home on the Black Americans , the nationality of racist *****s who look like him and are killing themselves and anything that is to become of “Black PEOPLE”
And he did talk about the Russians VAL. But again just like the “BLACK PEOPLE” he is speaking of you are disconnected from the real issue. and the real issue is YOU. Stop deflecting and rederecting the bull***** that is “BLACK AMERICA” . Disconnect is a mother F*cker.
Why is it always about what someone else is doing? Why can’t you be responsible for your actions. Once again someone like nahnah is trying to offset what the real problem is by highlighting some of Bill Cosbys mistakes. He is not perfect none of us are. But some of the blacks who continually perpetuate ill behavior that is the problem!! Get a clue! I’m right by you, Mr. Cosby! Despite some blacks who continue to miss the point.
Yep Landie! The disconnected up in her are motherf*uckers too!!! so sad!!!
Yep @ Landie! The disconnected up in here are motherf*uckers too!!! so sad!!!
yes i spelled derecting wrong for a reason . I was getting my jesse jackson on
Everyone needs to quit getting mad at how he said it, and listen to what he is saying. We are into our second generation of fatherless children. This can be prevented. Women need to stop having children by men they barely know. These men never had a father, what makes you think they can father your child(ren)? Having children on your own set them and you up for a lifetime of poverty. Teach your two and three year olds how to read a book. If they can sing any song at that age, they most definitely can remember the words of a book. As a race we need to stop making excuses for the state we are in, and realize the decisions WE as a people made, have put us there.
UPTOWN GIRL
RIGHT! No one has to fall in line with these ***** on their shoulders women!
Always focusing on the negative aspects of life! I am sure that the both of you women families are A+ riiiiiight?
Damn just when the post was getting positive.
I knew someone would try and shift focus. Damn instead of trying to figure out aint doing nothing. Figure out why our community looks so bad. That’s why we ain’t getting no one cause everyone want to shift the blame. All he did was call out the obvious. You lucky he did that, i think ppl are mad cause it is Cosby. I guess we have to dumb it down for ppl maybe beyonce or J should have said this. (bust out laughing) Im sure their too busy in St. Tropez or maybe if they rolled down the window in their Bentley they could hear us. Jus a thought.
Where is personal responsibility at?? Is this a lost phrase amongst some of our people? These excuses need to be squashed. There’s no excuse for all of this behavior. What happened to honor, self respect and the respect of others within our communities. Bill Cosby has done an awful lot he can’t lift up everybody. That’s where some personal responsibility of parents and the community steps in. Is the black race that weak that we have to always ask for a handout and need bill cosby to keep holding our hands all the time??
thank you Uptown Girl ! you said it ! and Hella you said it too.
The Only way i see “US” winning is if we OWN everything . And yes WE own Ports now , and GOSH BE WEEEEZ own Planes now too! So that 1999 excuse about how we dont own The boats and the planes is bull*****. DO some research. The only thing we should be learning in college is MEdicine, Legal, Accounting and a cl***** or 10 about Entrepernuership. Thats it ! . We need to Own our own and SELL it to EVERYBODY not just us. Flip the script B*tches and stop working for people and prasing people who work for people *cough Oprah* *cough cough Jay Z * . They are HIGH PAID EMPLOYEES. EMPLOYEE is SIN NAH NAH NYME for SLAVE .
Here are MY solutions:
+Work with congress to repeal the mandatory minimums. If we elect a democrat (VOTE PEOPLE) we can try to make that happen. This will eleviate a lot of the financial burden of housing petty drug offenders. That money can be used to create prevention programs in inner cities.
+Work with local elected officials to create better zoning laws for fast food restaurants, cigarrette advertising, liquor stores, etc. Once we can clean up the ***** being peddled in black communities, we can begin to discuss better choice-making.
+Replace 99% of administration in the pulic school system. These people are only there because they can’t cut it in the corporate world. They don’t care about the children and they’ve made the education of our children political.
+Enfore immigration laws. The burden of the hispanic community has surp*****ed that of the black community. Give the illegals here full amnesty and then put the national guard on the border to end this *****.
+Free parenting and child care cl*****es for new moms sponsored by county hospitals. More emphasis on breastfeeding and natural living.
+All students involved in violent acts in public schools will be removed and forced to attend a separate institution. There are kids that actually WANT to learn. If you want to be a thug, don’t ruin it for others.
+Write and petition the FCC and other organizations to protest the images in music videos. Violence, misogyny and ignorance are social ILLS. If we let them know we hate it, and threaten to boycott advertisers, they’ll get it.
+TURN OFF THE TV!!!!!! Limit the amount of tv you watch to only a few hours a week. Seriously, it’s brain poison.
+Every black person is the owner of their community. Not white amerkkka or corporate amerikkka. Remember that.
WORD IS LAURYN HILL IS PREGNANT WITH HER 5TH CHILD!
WORD IS LAURYN HILL IS PREGNANT WITH HER 5TH CHILD!
WORD IS LAURYN HILL IS PREGNANT WITH HER 5TH CHILD!
Thank you Denise. I’m glad someone is listening and not talking a lot of BS. Just listen instead of trying to be right ALL THE DAMN TIME. So stubborn…damn.
Im not in the category of “folks” he describes, but I’m still listening because I see this ish around me everyday in my neighborhood and I care about them because I see the counter productive behavior. and I know they don’t care about themselves,
@ me – Thank you. I agree with you 100%. This is why people keep losing sight of the message and always ignore the TRUTH. Do yall hear yourselves? “The daughter used to be on drugs.” “Cosby slept around.” This is why when ever a prominent black person steps up and says something of value and substance, it is always ignored because people want to always focus on the negative and the superficial. Bill Cosby is not perfect, neither are you. He has made mistakes like everyone else has. Does that mean that he doesn’t have a point in what he is saying? Isn’t it possble that he has changed from the person he used to be? Why can’t people focus on the message instead of his past mistakes?
Yes people should practice what they preach (yes it’ll make it easier for people to listen and follow if you ALWAYS practice what you preach), but the thing is, people mess up sometimes. No one is perfect. Does that mean everyone should ignore what Cosby is saying just because of his past faults or what his daughter used to do? And the same goes for Oprah. She has done so many great things especially for the black community, yet time and time again black people all day talk about their dislike for her cuz of some of the imperfect things she may have done or said in the past.
Why can’t people focus on what he is trying to say and how we should better ourselves? No one is f**king perfect. No wonder why whenever a black person says something of true value, black people crucify them and say “whatever, I aint listening to him because he used to do drugs and his daughter wasn’t perfect.” People can change. When someone wants to finally step up and say this is what should be done, we shouldn’t knock them down because of their past. Martin Luther King Jr. will always be a hero in my eyes but I know I’m not the only one who has heard that he had relationships with other women. I’m not saying he did but there are rumors that he did.
So lets say MLK Jr. did have a mistress, would everyone debunk everything that he fought for? Would people ignore all the contributions that he has made in this country alone? Are people going to say “I don’t care what MLK had to say because he slept around.” Should we all lose sight of the amazing contributions that he has made in this country if he did cheat on his wife?
The same goes for Jesse Jackson too. People don’t take time to listen to him anymore because of the affair that he had. I’m not defending what he did but does that change the fact that he contributed so much to the civil rights movement? People need to learn how to forgive and focus on the NOW rather than the THEN. Cosby is not perfect but he has made steps to try to educate people – because something is really wrong with the fact that there are a lot of black men in jail and that black women have the highest rate of having babies out of wedlock.
But of course and isn’t a surprise, people aren’t going to listen to him because of what his daughter or son may have done in the past.
Val said
@ coi
I gather he continues to do it because not enough people are taking a stand against him. When you have high profile African Americans setting the stage for him to vent this way, it’s likely to continue. The best we can do is not purchase his books or support him in any other manner. ”
Val you are a huge part of the problem. And the sad thing is you are prob a college educated Essence magazine reading woman. SMDH.
Just for that stupid ***** comment you made I’ll buy 10 books one for you me and all your disconnected friends. K ? OOOOOK!
Landie you’re right. The real wealth we can ac*****ulate in our communities comes when we encourage our children into harder studies such as finance legal, medicine, engineering and business. Instead of wasting hard earn dollars on material goods just to appear we have wealth. That type of imagery is what is helping destroy communities. And why the black race cannot fully gain power because we are not using our resources in a smart way. Some are but there are too many that aren’t and that is the problem.
I wasn’t offended by a damned thing he said. If the truth hurts, that ***** will hurt regardless. He’s on point with his sentiments.
As for lesser charges for petty drug dealers, the fact that they as a collective DESTROY black neighborhoods, petty or not, is enough for me to want the *****s locked up for the rest of their lives. THEY helped to ruin black communities by peddling that ***** to their own people. ***** that.
I’m not buying Cosby is not perfect. Okay nor is Jay-Z or Beyonce or Ashanti but y’all will protect them so give it up.
Next EXCUSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
bill has some valid point but a **********er that cheat on wife and have KIDS out of wedlock.should keep his mouth close.MR BRAND NEW
Thank you Landie, Uptowngirl, Denise, and Sabrina and Jus Another Opinion. Like you said Jus Another Opinion, people just want to shift focus, rather than focus on the topic itself.
The public school system here in Cali if full of illegals, non-english speaking and the criminally inclined element. WE (mother and father) kept our child in $$$private school$$$ up until 8th grade and rented in an upscale suburb because her education was more important than a Ginormous home loan. Now that she’s in a Great public HS and the housing market is about to hit rock bottom, we are preparing to purchase a 700K home for about 450K and she is well prepared for college and her future!!!!!!!
STFU those are good suggestions but I think it goes further than that. I look at alot of inner cities and pride is lost. Few people in urban areas have pride about their community we need to focus on re- establishing this. Also there needs to be a change in the message of spending money on material items. This is keeping black communties in a forever cycle of not moving forward by having power. Material goods offers a false sense of wealth and success. There needs to be more dialogue and respect between younger and older. More discussions and finding solutions to work together instead of making a wider rift.
landie,
as i have already mentioned in in another thread, i knew dr. king was a ‘walking w*****’, but what does that have to do with me bringing him up as an example of a person who took action rather than spew his rhetoric?
it ‘doesn’t work’ in 2007 because blacks have been brainwashed to believe racism no longer exist. and loud preaching does not work in subtle situations, and racism is indeed a subtle situation.
dr. kings whoring around does not take away from his actions and leadership. and that’s because his actions made a huge impact on the lives of blacks and americans as a whole.
i don’t expect you to understand, as you sound angry, simple, and extremely misinformed.
you are *****ing and moaning, but what do you say the problem is, and what is the solution? you see, in order to fix a problem, you must be able to identify it, and to fix it permanently, you must know what is causing it.
you and a lot of people here have very simple ways of thinking. if you’re bringing up black people buying marc jacobs, then why the ***** do so many blacks do that? there’s a *****ing reason, and until the *****ing reason is identified to the fullest, the *****ing problem will never be solved.
soo, are you interested in change, or do you just want to continue to *****, moan, and talk out of the side of your fat neck? hmmm?
I recalled growing up in a single parent home; one thing my mother kept repeating to me, and that was the value of a good education. I rose up out of the “hood” as most people would call it. I bust my butt to get into Yale, then Harvard, now I am a surgeon. The point of this is not to brag, the point is we(blacks)can do it just as any other race, we are just as smart and efficient as anyone else. What most black men lack (since i am a black male, ill touch on black men) is the self-respect,confidence, and determination they need to rise above the stereotypes. If you look through history, some of the most important inventions, that has revolutionized America industry came from black scientists and inventors. What happened to the days of education being key and pride and self-respect being exonerated? I don’t believe in blaming others for peoples mistake, but music does play a small role in the deformation of the black community. Since when it was acceptable behavior to call females “*****es” and other men “*****s”, and act like hoodlums. Black culture has been diminishing over the years and i am thankful someone has the sense to point it out. When will black men stop the idiocy. Just because someone steps on your shoe doesn’t warrant you to take their life. All I can say is, Bill Cosby is on point and i pray that more blacks will wake up and see that the white man, doesn’t control your life, you do. With the help of God, may we all be blessed as a race.
I don’t think Oprah should be dissed. These rappers and R&B singers should be the one getting dissed. They selling clothes shoes and $150.00 up. These artist don’t care if the light bill or water bill got paid, they endorsing products. When the hood realizes they are getting pimp when we began to see a change. Like Nelly said on Hip Hop vs, American. These record labels don’t care they want to get paid. The the artist is the slave driver and we are not a slave but in a slave mentality.
Ria you are right .But its not “lets say” Martin had a mistress .. He did and its a fact. But like you said . SO WHAT! I dont care if they bed the world. That does not take away from what he did . And as far as Jesse. I dont listen to him because he is a paid patsey. I hate patseys . Patseys guised as leaders, and do’ers. Money , Ownership, and Politics in that order are the only things that matter in my opinion. I am sick of th only figures we talk about being TV Entertainers. Oprah nice, Applause Applause, but that does not change the fact that she is not the owner of her destiny. She dont own a network, ( And dont say nothing about Oxygen, she did not own that ***** she was just a “name” on the project.” And because she does not own a Network she will never control the message. And she is again nothing more then a HIGH PAID EMPLOYEE. So she only gets one set of Applause from me . Only Owners get my respect. And Honestly the owners are not on TV. They are behind the in the cut running *****. Do your research.You’ll find them.
That’s funny this article is on here because I just got done watching “Meet the Press” and Bill was on there talking about his book… I must agree with Bill on the plight of Black’s right now, it’s sad. :/
@ hardwork
I proud of you but what does that have to do with anything. What point were you trying to make? I’d thought I ask before you hear the backlash. people are waiting for this opportunity to change the subject.
STFU, I appreciate the fact that you have solutions. Those solutions will GREATLY improve the state of black people in America.
I agree 100%.
@ just
ITs not about dissing OPRAH its about over praising the woman. We love her success. But she is still an employee. Just like these rappers, She is just higher paid. So again Please speak on the real Bosses and Oprah is not on the list. Why do you think she is shoved down our throats on all these ENTERtainment List. What about the Black Billionaires who own
pipe lines , ports, import export businesses, and all that. Can we not get past the Entertainers. Gosh is that all we do . ? Entertain.?
Hey,
I got a shout out from Bossip!
Anyone wanna talk about that?
HEY LANDIE
I agree, black people need to stop giving their money to other people and invest in our own!
That includes the Koreans in EVERY corner in the hood who are making MILLIONS of dollars collectively from black people who are ashamed of their god-given natural beauty.
Our insecurities are making other people rich!
The money that’s going to the European silkies and the Just For Me perms can be invested in EDUCATION!
I truly wish that the young blacks could go back in time and live a few months in the 1700 and 1800’s as a black male or female in the U.S. Then they would really know what is is to be oppressed and perhaps have a new appreciation of the present day. There is no respect of our ancestors of the past. This ill behavior is a slap and each and everyone of our ancestors. And that is a sad fact.
Oh DEar NAH NAH
I am aware racism is ALIVE and well. Brain Washed? never that . Now Tell me Do you know the names of the Black American MULTI BIllionaires Beyond OPRAH? The Gas Pipe line Owners , the import exporters, all them cats. ?
Prob not Why? because they flipping the script, they figured the ***** out . Play the game dont let it play you. Run your house hold, build from within your home.
I totally agree with you Landie
CUDO’S K-DOGG!
LANDIE,
I can’t stand Oprah! I think she’s a tool. And the brainwashed comment wasn’t toward you, dear.
But what do you think about blacks giving Koreans all their money? I hope you’re one of those black women who practice what you preach by allowing your natural beauty to shine.
You seem to be concerned about blacks not making things on their own, so I’m hoping you’re not one of those who are allowing those Koreans to send their kids to top rated schools!!!!
Uptown Girl Said:
Landie you’re right. The real wealth we can ac*****ulate in our communities comes when we encourage our children into harder studies such as finance legal, medicine, engineering and business. Instead of wasting hard earn dollars on material goods just to appear we have wealth. That type of imagery is what is helping destroy communities. And why the black race cannot fully gain power because we are not using our resources in a smart way. Some are but there are too many that aren’t and that is the problem.”
Thank you Uptown girl , you are a smart woman , Prob from NY . Like my self. We the m*****es dont use our resources and that’s why you only see 1 or 2 black families in the upper 1% meaning 30million or more .
sorry, i just don’t trust a messenger with”unclean hands”. all the ideals expressed here have more heart and truth than mr. cosby will ever have. I will take something from each and everyone of your thoughts to better myself. You must start with self to gain the respect of others. I’m listening…
But thats my point Jus Another Opinion. Ever since Oprah said that she does not like hip hop (well ever since Ludacris was on the show), I have heard black people from all over say how they hate her and how they will never listen to her again cuz she doesn’t like that music. I think its a great thing that Oprah said that she does not like hip-hop. How can someone like Oprah defend the misogynistic content and the glorfication of drugs and violence that is in the hip-hop industry? Not all hip-hop is bad, but why is it a bad thing for Oprah to say that she doesn’t like the *****-shaking videos and the degrading content that is in the rap music? And you’re right, the record labels don’t care and the rappers are degrading black women each and every day in the videos and through the lyrics of their songs just to get paid…
NAHNAH…
No i am not one of the Korean Supporting Negros .. So SOLLY my dear. But my family does own a few leases that Koreans pay rent too *winking*.
Even my hair products are black owned and distributed.
And so sorry for bashing you NAH NAH , I just felt you where making excuses for bullsh*ttttters. And we all know making excuses is counter productive.
Hey Jus Another Opinion, you’re totally correct! I faded and can admit that! I didn’t black out though, because that would be a negative connotation about BLACK, huh! My bad! I’ll just get back to setting the table for dinner and will focus on this some other time! You’re handling it for now! Peace to you all!!!
We need to p***** on this knowledge to each other. I see this happen in Jewish communities all the time. They work together, help each other out, encourage their children at an early age in studying harder subjects. Some people in our community need to take cues from some of the other ethnicities. I know some people have a dislike for Asian, Jewish and so on but instead of getting upset at what they are doing I say take a look at what they are doing and incorporate that into the black community.
Bill Cosby needs to stop. We should all ask Why is it that for all these years Bill has always said when asked about racial issues he always said ” I don’t do racial issues”. And then when he finally decides to open his mouth it’s something negative. Bill needs to remember that sometimes if you don’t have anything good to say then don’t say anything. Yes Bil has done alot of good for the UNCF (United Negro College Fund) but what has he done for Mookie an Pookie to get them to the point where they can contact the UNCF. When has bill every spoken out abuot the dis proportioned number of blacks in prison. One of the few black leaders to speak out against bill was Russell Simmons an why is this, because he is a billionaire in his own right, others need Bill’s wallet for support. Yes tough love is needed, but I also remember hearing older people talk about how in the past if you got in trouble an a neighbor found out about it before your parents they would beat you an then they would tell your parents but they would also help you in times of need whether you were hungry, cold, or anything in between. Bill needs to talk to OJ an he will tell him those same people you talk about with distaste will be the same ones with open arms to support you. And he should know this because of how he likes to rape women. So all I’m saying inclusion is be tough but also give them a hug an tell them you love them.
sorry were making , not where making..
I am a modern martin , I am a doer , I come from a family of doers, but instead of marching , I DO , I support Free Builders not slave ***** Negros Guised as leaders, as you call them tools, and I build. I dont hate Big O I am just sick of her over inflated numbers being flashed in our faces on a daily .
We have Black Billionaires, Oh yes , and they are worth ALOT more then 2.4 billion. They just dont have their publicist call forbes, hell they dont even have publicist. But they do have Black Enterprise and mags like that calling them for interviews. Sometimes they reply sometimes they dont.
@ Cutie Pie
“The reason why people have a problem with what Bill says is because its true!!
we need people who can tell it how it is without having to worry about feelings..thats just the problem people always want to be cuddled..grow up!”
Well said – Bravo!
Uptowngirl,
The inner city has always been a place of crime, disconnect, drugs, unwed pregnancies, and low self esteem. At the same time, the inner cities have always had hard-working people who did everything to provide for themselves and their families.
A friend I went to school with joined a gang until he was murdered. His mother raised him well – to the best of her ability, despite the fact that she grew up in the projects. She used to cry every night when he would spend weeks not coming home and sometimes behind bars! She did her best, but Willie lost his life at 22! He was shot 9 times in the chest!
The beast is poverty and the things I mentioned above are its nature.
I bet you’re familiar with the conditions of Native American reservations!
Ever seen a poor white town?
The funny thing is they all have the same problems poor blacks are having! And I mean that!
Uptown Girl an’t that the truth. The Jews I know they do business with JEws they dont even like, and they hawk their wares to everyone who will listen and look. for 19.99..
Actually I’m from Chicago
And I know the value of hard work after seeing how hard my Dad work to build a seafood chain. But that’s another story. I just wish some of the blacks would have stuck by him more instead of trying to steal from him. This is what I don’t understand. I’ve seen my Dad and others like him offer jobs in the community give money for college and where is the respect and appreciation for it. It took time for me to even get to this point because I’ve been disappointed with a lot of the black community. And there are still things I wish I could see more of. Like blacks supporting other successful blacks instead of becoming jealous, bad talking them and stealing from them. It makes me sad 
LANDIE,
Please do not apologize to me. I’m fully capable of handling myself against your type.
Anyway, you don’t support Korean, but you surely contribute to the insecurity of blacks by ‘owning’ those hair products!
Hey, don’t hate Oprah, I think you should hate yourself in this case! I find your crusade to be extremely hypocritical!
WHEW!
lOOK AT THE VARIED POINTS OF VIEWS! ALTHOUGH IT LOOKS GREAT,IT’S SHOWS WEAKNESS. THE KIND OF WEAKNESS THAT’S DEFEATIST.
1.I HATE OPRAH
2.MARTIN LUTHER KING( A WALKING W*****)
3.COSBY-PUT UP OR SHUT UP.
NONE OF THAT HELPS BLACK AMERICA BE ANYTHING BUT DEATEST.
Remember, that this is a white owned gossip blog,and the only ( tools are the uninformed blacks that rant 3rd grade ((opinions)) ).
MLK BEING A W*****!
1.were you there?
2. did a book tell you that?
3.how old were you when he did what he did?
White people distort our history ,and we buy it as gospel! tsk,tsk!
our defeatest CULTURE( THE BLACK CULTURE…NOT COSBY…IS OUR DEATH!
HIP-HOP…HOORAY! LET’S CELEBRATE OUR DEATH…CAUSED BY US!
think
http://www.blackwiz.biz
I really think that was totally disrespectful to say that about Dr. King being a W****. He was not perfect but in the vision and sacrifice of what he did for a race should more than make up for whatever shortcommings he had nahnah.
@ coop
Bill Cosby needs to stop. We should all ask Why is it that for all these years Bill has always said when asked about racial issues he always said ” I don’t do racial issues”. And then when he finally decides to open his mouth it’s something negative. Bill needs to remember that sometimes if you don’t have anything good to say then don’t say anything. Yes Bil has done alot of good for the UNCF (United Negro College Fund) but what has he done for Mookie an Pookie to get them to the point where they can contact the UNCF. When has bill every spoken out abuot the dis proportioned number of blacks in prison. One of the few black leaders to speak out against bill was Russell Simmons an why is this, because he is a billionaire in his own right, others need Bill’s wallet for support. Yes tough love is needed, but I also remember hearing older people talk about how in the past if you got in trouble an a neighbor found out about it before your parents they would beat you an then they would tell your parents but they would also help you in times of need whether you were hungry, cold, or anything in between. Bill needs to talk to OJ an he will tell him those same people you talk about with distaste will be the same ones with open arms to support you. And he should know this because of how he likes to rape women. So all I’m saying inclusion is be tough but also give them a hug an tell them you love them.
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Oksy ask yourself this has Jay-z done any of that? I kid you not I’m starting to believe coop is really TyTy no joke.
@ NahNah. I’m not here to debate on issues other than what Bill Cosby has chosen to do. He has done his part – Every man is not created with the same purpose therefore Cosby publishing this book is the spark I spoke about.
It’s reaction NahNah, each one teach one, here it is again. You never know if there is a little black girl or boy or College student that will come across that book and have it change their lives leading them to become a great person, maybe even a Black leader. What I know is that if it helps one black family better themselves then it served it’s purpose. Wouldnt you agree? As for who will purchase the book….it’s funny how life is a lot of decisions, priorities if you will and we each as individuals have the freedom to choose what we place value on.. So it’s not that the book is out of reach…you and I know some of the poorest people spend A LOT of money on different things, maybe a hairdo, a pair of Nike Air Force Ones, jewelry, etc… So no, Bill Cosby again is not responsible for the person that buys the book, as far as I’m concerned I am drawn to positive, progressive thinking, so if I come across something like that then I will choose to not buy the new Kanye West Album and instead will reserve those funds for this book. I dont mind getting another black person rich, I’m more in it for the intangibles…..
Thanks again
Nah Nah yes we have had to prove our selves. But guess who judges us the most ??? Survey says “US” … can you smell the disconnect?
That book that nah nah got that info. from was written by the biggest ,scarest uncle tom that has ever walked the earth. He wrote that crap to pay bills! His words are only relevant to people who believe gossip!
Most of the people on bossip are fairlyu young ,so they can’t really say what was /is true back in the 60’s……..
I was around.
think
http://www.blackwiz.biz
and NahNah who said anything about bowing down. Don’t get it twisted. He is just right this time around . Thats all.
Uptown girl. but Dr, king was a w*****, Sorry he bedded many and had many kids out side of his marriage just like Mr .Cosby . But thats not the issue its just fact , a fact that does not take away from what any of theses men have done. But since they bought it up … I spoke on it .
Uptowngirl, Landie is the one who referred to him as a walking w*****, not me. Thnx.
THE media run by white people is the reason ou see such poor image of black america.bill why spent time being ashame of bill america and get of of your mansion to help solve the problems
NAh Nah what the hell are you talking about . I said I support BLACK OWNED and DISTRIBUTED HAIR PRODUCTS.. Please Listen before you type. Its not cute.
Wideya:
You never know if there is a little black girl or boy or College student that will come across that book and have it change their lives leading them to become a great person, maybe even a Black leader. What I know is that if it helps one black family better themselves then it served it’s purpose. Wouldnt you agree?
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I agree!
Sorry for the confusion nahnah
and Nah Nah i did not apologize for you, I did it for me , because I have cl*****. K? OOOOOK!
I agree what everything you’ve said Landie. I still feel that’s harsh to say about Dr. King but I won’t stay on it.
^^^^^^ this is what i’m talking about! We can’t EVEN HAVE intellegent convo, even on a blog site.
HOW IN HECK CAN WE DO IT IN PERSON?
answer!!WE CAN’T AND WON’T
WE AREN’T ABLE TO.we culterally aren’t able!
prove me wrong!!!
think
But anyway the issue pretty much still stands and theres a lot of work that needs to be done in our communities. Racisms exists but it’s no excuse for the black on black crime and rampant disrespect of elders and others in our community. White people are not telling us how to treat each other we are doing this.
Landie, I heard you correctly. Now, I ask you, what type of hair products are those? European silky weaves? Perms? Are they products that feed the insecurity of black women while allowing white women to continue to be viewed as the epitome of beauty in America? If so, then you too are a hypocrite. It’s always the hypocrites who love to make it seem like good intent.
Tiray I thought some of us were having intelligent conversation. I don’t think culture has anything to do with it we have to want to do this. Are there enough people who want to do this as a collective? Anyway what intelligent conversation are you bringing to this? I’m just asking because I’d like to know what are your thoughts.
Nah Nah Said …. Just like the quick trigger / half listenin angry person she or he is … With out reading and understanding my post. I said my family Holds the leases we own the buildings , but we support BLACK OWNED and DISTRIBUTED hair CARE products . !
Nah Nah said…
“LANDIE,
Please do not apologize to me. I’m fully capable of handling myself against your type.
Anyway, you don’t support Korean, but you surely contribute to the insecurity of blacks by ‘owning’ those hair products!
Hey, don’t hate Oprah, I think you should hate yourself in this case! I find your crusade to be extremely hypocritical!”
In response to what Landie said ( and read it slowwww NAH NAH )
NAHNAH…
No i am not one of the Korean Supporting Negros .. So SOLLY my dear. But my family does own a few leases that Koreans pay rent too *winking*.
Even my hair products are black owned and distributed.
And so sorry for bashing you NAH NAH , I just felt you where making excuses for bullsh*ttttters. And we all know making excuses is counter productive.
“He makes good points, but he could say it in a less offensive manner. I won’t buy the book!”
Damn, Shan. Should he give you a pacifier and warm your bottle, too.
Focus on the message not the messenger. Cosby’s message is one-sided. Black uplift, even revolutionary uplift in the home, is not mutually exclusive from the need to address societal ills, whether some blacks “wallow in victimhood or not.” Cosby should listen to scholars and others who are trying to hold those two things together. It is not an either/or, dichotomized argument. As King said, “the answer to how the [black American's] status came to be what it is does not lie essentially in the world of the Negro, but in the world of the white.”
For anyone to play down white responsibility while speaking of black uplift is not to understand the problem comprehensively. No matter how you slice it up, it does a disservice to all people to frame the question of blacks in America in a way that plays down the responsibility of the nation.
What also deepens my suspicions about Cosby’s outlook is his profound concern with “standard English” and the black, cultural phenotype. I know PH.D. professors, black and white, who speak a colloquially styled English dialect. A person’s language has a local color; and one should not *****ume that it is a sign of intelligence or status. So, why include this argument in your critique at this point? In my opinion it is this type of thing that drives Cosby’s overall dissatisfaction with black America and not a love for black America.
Many of you clowns above can call King whatever you want, but he attempted to love us and the nation, and his criticism arose from that standpoint, not from a type of bourgeois embar*****ment.
@ VAL. Why on earth would you put your daughter’s information online? That was extremely short sighted and dumb!!
Bill should have articulated his thoughts like this a few years ago, rather than attacking poor, uneducated, immoral African-American as if they were the main problem of our culture in a white society.
I agree with everything he says,execpt; I don’t believe that we as African-Americans are still on a leveled playing field in America.
Landie, I expected you to ignore my very valid point.
Nah Nah said :
“Landie, I heard you correctly. Now, I ask you, what type of hair products are those? European silky weaves? Perms? Are they products that feed the insecurity of black women while allowing white women to continue to be viewed as the epitome of beauty in America? If so, then you too are a hypocrite. It’s always the hypocrites who love to make it seem like good intent.”
Landie Said in response to the ANGRY NAh NAH : ( read it slow NAH NAH)
NAh NAh .. you are ignorant for real ! you are brainwashed and white washed . Weave, Perms, Relaxers , Europe, What the F*ck who said any thing about any of that . I said BLACK OWNED and DIstributed.
And dear sweet angry uneducated NAH NAH I wish I would go down the list to prove anything to you DO SOME RESEARCH Burn off some of that misguided anger . And no No weaves and no perms ( but the correct term is relaxer ) Perms are for curls . You are ignorant , silly and lost. The ***** I am talkin about is high quality and supports the strength and beauty of hair of all textures depending on the brand , but they yes they as in many brands , happens to be black owned and distributed. From your ignorant ***** comment I know for a fact you have never heard of which i speak , because the price points start at $165 for a shampoo and more dear NAH NAH . and again No weaves , no perms, no mixing ***** at the table in the kitchen like a slave , non of that . No mother of the earth ***** , non of that. This Black owned and distributed Hair stuff of which I speak is sold to EVERYONE, from the Americas, Asia, and Europe dear NAH NAH. Step your knowledge game up DEar sweet ANGRY NAH NAH. Again you never answered my questions. Do you know the BLACK Billionaires who own Pipe lines , Import Export , and all of the aforementioned. Nooo of course not . Your anger has blinded you .. Shame on you NAH NAH.
He’s like the grandparentst that you know and love, but who tends to forget their history when they’re attacking the youth.
Like, the fact that our current problems are a result of his generation.
Nah Nah. Said …
“Landie, I expected you to ignore my very valid point.”
OO Nah Nah I would never ignore your angry ignorant *****… Valid ummm valid, no no more like stupid, Local, angry and def NOT well traveled. Get out of your own backyard NAH NAH. Please.. Its for your own good. and again , do alittle research and call me in the morning. K? OOOOOK!
nahnah said “The funny thing is he made those comments a few years ago, and nothing has changed. Apparently, his methods ain’t working.
So whose methods are working?
Can you fault a person that is speaking the truth?
Is the truth dependent on who speaks it?
Do we forget that Cosby has actually “seen” the racism of the ’60’s? Has anyone ever talked to someone that was born in the 20’s- 30’s? they will tell that the racism and obstacles of today, pale in comparison to what they experienced. Thats not to say that it doesn’t exist.
Some of you act as if Cosby hasn’t done anything for the black community. We forget how his brand of comedy in stand-up and film differed to that which was standard at the time…blaxploitation.
Who remembers “Fat Albert” or the “Brown hornet”?
What about the Cosby show?
Bill Cosby is a comedian. I wonder how he compares to other black comedians when it comes to portraying a positive image for Black Americans.
@Yo
Good point, but not only do our problems stem from his generation; they stem from generations long before his. Ac*****ulated black wealth is but one instance of this. Cosby’s critique is just way too myopic. Even my grandparents weren’t that stupid and they had no education. Cosby is just not connected; that’s the bottom line. He’s in the catbird seat, abstracting and objectifying black experience.
Landie,
This so-called product yous speak of…Since it’s available for al hair texturs, does this mean it supports the black hair texture as opposed to trying to alter it.
And what type of black women use it?
ANd of course your hair is void of a perm and wear no weave. I expect you to represent the black race in full effect.
uptowngirl:
Scroll up to the top!
I think that Mr. Cosby is on point! We owe it to our children and children’s children to pick up where the adsentee black father’s/mom’s fall short!
I don’t believe in GOD, but i like to use this:
Those without sin,cast the first stone!
SO if a burglar changes his ways and offers something to better my people…….I LISTEN!
THINK
http://WWW.BLACKWIZ.BIZ
Landie, you wouldn’t want to call me local.
Are you bipolar or something? Your typing is quite scary, as if you don’t know what you want.
Listen to what ray ray has to say! He’s 100% correct!
kdogg,
since you had no problem finding my quote, please go back and read my proposed method, as I don’t feel like typing it all over again.
I acknowledge Bill’s contribution to the black community. At the same time, I disagree with rhetorics. His rhetoric will not solve the problems, action will.
@Kdogg
Again, and this is my last comment, it does a disservice to the argument to compare black experience in the past to black experience now. Such an argument can be argued in reverse. For instance, when a group is in oppressive situations– as our predecessors were–it tends to pull together even more. There solidarity could have been contributed to by the oppression, pushing them together.
However, we should not use our predecessors experience to attack black progress today, because the context is different. A more healthy approach is to consider the way urbanization, southern discrimination and other such ills impacted the overall development of black Americans.
For instance, compare education levels in the South to those in other parts of the country and begin to raise questions about the reasons for the disparity. Consider the policing in urban neighborhoods in relation to the rise of the war on drugs and raise questions from this standpoint. You get different answers.
nah—nah
IS there anyone qualified to speak on black America?
Should anyone ?
think
Why do some of you insist on comparing him to MLK in an effort to minimize or denigrate what he has done? Compare him to his peers…other entertainers. I think then you will appreciate his efforts to portray a positive black image.
Some of you people are the same ones that worship Bill and Hillary Clinton (White “honorary” black people) with all of their scandals and then blast Bill Cosby for his skeletons.
NAH NAH said ..
“Landie,
This so-called product yous speak of…Since it’s available for al hair texturs, does this mean it supports the black hair texture as opposed to trying to alter it.
And what type of black women use it?
ANd of course your hair is void of a perm and wear no weave. I expect you to represent the black race in full effect.”
Nah Nah .. Shut the hell up please. You responded just as I expected. WEAK. Because you are uneducated. Simple as that . Thats why the phrase “So-Called” came out of your type/mouth. Why is it so hard for you to believe that BLACK OWNED and distributed BRANDS not BRAND .. BUT BRANDS exist? Why is that so hard? They make seperate brands for dif hair types . GET OVER IT . YOU LOSE because you are not educated , again SIMPLE. YES we have a BLACK PRoctor and ***** F*ckin gamble in our world living and breathing, a group of brands that cater to the needs of dif people, meaning textures and *****, with out conforming those people to someone elses standards . SO GET OVER IT. And just bow out , because you are indeed off the mark .
I guess you won’t believe it until Jay Z raps about it uh? LMAO . Or until Bossip writes about it double uh uh ?
READ a book NAH NAH, pick up the Wall Street Journal or Black Enterprise every once in a while. TRAVEL. PLEASE.
Hard question 101!
Some women are fat. SHOULD WE TALK ABOUT IT OR JUST IT FAT WOMEN/MEN KEEP EATING because we don’t want to hurt their feeling’s?
Are WE the cowards?
Are we using Cosby as a scapegoat because of our shame ?
think
http://www.blackwiz.biz
listen to ray ray!
listen to ray ray!
I think hardwork just proved a point that many people are doing now. When the public schools prove to be a failure-go to a private school.
Because a private school and magnet schools can do the one thing public schools can’t.
BE SELECTIVE IN WHO THEY ADMIT
Just think about it. If public schools could do that or be like schools in Japan where yopu have to take a test in order to attend a certain school.
Education is the key to helping our race, however we have to be selective in WHO we allow to educate our children. I know some poorly run black schools in my city. The staff don’t care about the kids, they just want that check. And you ask why doesn’t anyone try to get rid of these folks?
Because black folk won’t read the student code of conduct and learn their rights or since it’s black folk running the school instead of white, they get a free p*****. Wilmer Hutchins ISD was a black run school district in Texas, it’s shutdown for more corruption than Enron and Richard Nixon’s presidency combined.
We have to learn to stop supporting those who do wrong because they look like us. If they are doing wrong they need to go. You have no idea how bad it looked to see the paper and see 17 black city officials getting arrested on tv by the feds.
STFU
The only problem with kicking kids out that do violent things is that we can’t. We are required to educate every child (including illegals ones). I know plenty of schools that would gladly house clean for a school full of kids that want to learn.
However you can’t. We get our funding based on how many students are in the schools and get penalize for kids that aren’t in school.
Here’s the setup:
$7000 a year for a student in my state.
Now figure a school is short on staff already. What are they left to do? They are going to take in whatever riff raff wants to enroll. So you can have cl*****es filled with knuckleheads that don’t want to learn, but the adminstration won’t help the teacher because they need the money.
And another thing people don’t know is that all these state tests (thanks Bush) that put teachres jobs on the line if the kids don’t p*****. So you have black school understaffed because no teacher wants to lose thier job because of dumb lazy black kids. With parents that don’t care. I know a school where every teacher quit because of the rude black kids.
And it’s not just black schools where this is happening. Almost every school district I know is getting fed up with blacks. Not the ones that grew up in those cities. The ones that run from the hood and do try to ruin their schools.
NAH-NAH said…
Landie, you wouldn’t want to call me local.
Are you bipolar or something? Your typing is quite scary, as if you don’t know what you want.”
I am done with you NAH NAH you proved my point , you are uneducated and yes not well traveled , because you are stuck in Korean owned weave stores and ***** . And have yet to answer any questions concerning The real BLack Power Players. Not one name NAH NAH… Again do you know the names of the BILLIONAIRE BLACK Importers, Exporters, PipeLine Owners? Or are they “SO-Called” in your little uneducated world as well?
Landie,
you have a very miserable mentality.
I will ask you to display the name of the products on this board, because black women are in desperate need of finding products to treat our hair instead of altering it. Let’s see what you use, k?
Your attacks will not deter me. It’s just a reflection of your insecurities.
Tiray, I agree with Cosby and acknowledge the black plight, but I disagree with his approach! I cannot determine whether or not he’s qualified or not!
And how do you know Bossip is white owned?
@ray ray
always check the messenger.
“y’all gonna ***** or *****?” – mal***** X re: on white america 1960…
continue…
And NAH NAH, I am typing with tons of smart-*****-ness towards , nothing scary about that. You’re scared because you have NO idea how to counter or answer any of my questions because you DONT KNOW. So you argue and diagnose people with mental issues and *****. Don’t be scared just take your angry ***** to the Library .
kdogg:
i agree, we should look at him as an entertainer and also as a man who’s got connections in the business. if mr. cosby is writing books to enlighten black people, then his work obviously ain’t over.
so i would suggest he stay within his entertainment circle and help to change how blacks are represented in the media/entertainment industry.
since you’re asking us to look at him as an entertainer, that is my solution to him because the entertainment industry has a huge influence on black people, especially black youths.
Nah NAH said
“Landie,
you have a very miserable mentality.
I will ask you to display the name of the products on this board, because black women are in desperate need of finding products to treat our hair instead of altering it. Let’s see what you use, k?
Your attacks will not deter me. It’s just a reflection of your insecurities.”
LAndie responds:
NAH NAH Stop it you are killing me . You attacked me and the companies I speak of with out knowledge ( not so much as a name) . You questioned their existance with out knowledge. And Now you guise your lazyness and lack of knowledge and research as LANDIE BEING Miserable and inssecure . NAH NAH Get a grip and a clue.
Landie,
You are polluting the board with your nonsense.
If you’re too childish to stick to the topic, I suggest you go take your meds and go to bed.
I knew you were a ball of ***** since you faiedl to display the name of the products you use. I guess you don’t want to expose yourself as a hypocrite. Black women like myself who keep it natural are always on the lookout for products that cater to our hair texture, so I was hoping you’d hook a sistah up!
Anyway, I want to continue to to focus on the topic, what actually matters, not give you the attention you never had as a child. BYE!
I agree with him partially. I disagree with him about hip-hop. Yes, the state of it is a mess but I it’s not responsible for the major issues facing some segments of black America. Some of the biggest consumers of hip-hop are white teens and though they’ve got their issues, they don’t face the issues that black teens do to the same extent. This is an issue that the different generations are just not going to agree on, but regardless, we shouldn’t spend our energy and resources fighting the crap segments of hip-hop.
This is my perspective as an immigrant who’s lived in America for half of my life: blaming doesn’t get anyone anywhere. Disagreeing or discussing issues to death doesn’t get us anywhere. I’ve been wronged in unspeakable ways by several people in my life. All those people are living their lives freely and happily. I accept that these things happened and I do what I need to do to have a good life because my misery would not make a lick of difference to those people who hurt me. You can be a victim of your situation or you can be one who excels in spite of them, a survivor. This goes for all people. I don’t think Americans value the fact that you can improve your life if you work. It’ll probably be far more difficult than it would be if you had less melanin and more money, but it is possible. Most people in the world don’t have that opportunity. You are what you’re born into at the very best in most countries.
“Black” media outlets constantly denigrate African-American people in the name of entertainment. BET is basically a 6 day a week minstrel show with 1 day of religious services. I guess Debra Lee needs a lot of repenting not to mention a looooong shower after featuring her own people in such a negative light.
I want you to do some work and do some research . I would have loved to expose said providers I could on an on about them . But because you ATTACKED them from jump! with out neeeeeer bit of knowledge , Your ***** will work for the answers. Because you are the one with the issues and possible Bipolar syndrome. So blame the lack of knowledge on Nah Nah , not Landie .One angry apple spoils the whole mother F*cking bunch.
Now back to Bill…. we digress..
well said daria!
Nah-Nah
I called the company.shocking huh?
think
http://www.blackwiz.biz
NAh Nah said …
“Landie,
You are polluting the board with your nonsense.
If you’re too childish to stick to the topic, I suggest you go take your meds and go to bed.
I knew you were a ball of ***** since you faiedl to display the name of the products you use. I guess you don’t want to expose yourself as a hypocrite. Black women like myself who keep it natural are always on the lookout for products that cater to our hair texture, so I was hoping you’d hook a sistah up!
Anyway, I want to continue to to focus on the topic, what actually matters, not give you the attention you never had as a child. BYE!”
Landie said ..
Typical deflect of an uneducated person, at least have cl***** and admit you are the ranter who went off topic with your attack by *****uming that the blacks distributers that i speak of support white washing through perms and weaves . And because YOU dont have answers you pick and become petty. SMDH.. again I would have had no problems Exposing said parties. But why would I expose them to the HATER that is NAH NAH. SO CIAO to you SWEET DEAR ANGRY NAH NAH .. LMAO
AGAIN BACK TO BILL!!!
Landie, unless you’re willing to provide me with the name of the hair products you use, I don’t want to hear from you.
Your constant shift from lower case to upper case in the SAME sentence tells me that you’re probably twitching now due to your lack of meds.
GO AWAY! Thnx!
You should also look at him as a man that didn’t start out with those connections, was born black, was born in the 30’s, was a high-school dropout,and witnessed/lived part of the “historical” civil-rights movement.
How does what Bill Cosby says hurt us? He is 70 years old and has lived through or seen that which he speaks against.
Did any of you read the excerpts from the first chapter?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21279731/
Enough young black males behave badly at an early age that they set the norm for other black boys. The stereotype of the angry and potentially violent black male can lead to racial profiling by teachers in the early grades. This makes it doubly difficult for those boys who are trying to behave and trying to get ahead to succeed. Soon the kids begin to stereotype themselves. These images lead to low expectations for achievement, which then become a self-fulfilling prophecy. Check the numbers:
Homicide is the number one cause of death for black men between fifteen and twenty-nine years of age and has been for decades.
Of the roughly sixteen thousand homicides in this country each year, more than half are committed by black men. A black man is seven times more likely to commit a murder (excluding military actions) than a white man, and six times more likely to be murdered. (Black mothers live with these numbers. We don’t know how they sleep at night.)
Ninety-four percent of all black people who are murdered are murdered by other black people.
The life expectancy at birth of black men is sixty-nine years, compared to seventy-five years for white men, eighty for white women, and seventy-six for black women.
In the past several decades, the suicide rate among young black men has increased more than 100 percent.
In some cities, black males have high school drop-out rates of more than 50 percent.
Young black men are twice as likely to be unemployed as white, Hispanic, and Asian men.
Although black people make up just 12 percent of the general population, they make up nearly 44 percent of the prison population.
At any given time, as many as one in four of all young black men are in the criminal justice system—in prison or jail, on probation, or on parole.
By the time they reach their midthirties, six out of ten black high school dropouts have spent time in prison.
About one-third of the homeless are black men.
This is madness! Back in 1950, there were twice as many white people in prison as black. Today, there are more black people than white in prison.
Everyone has some interesting and valid points on both sides of the debate… Maybe Bill Cosby isn’t the ideal person to promote his position, but if he is addressing these issues and making appropriate evaluations about the state of our people, does he have to be Mr. Perfect? I am not sure if I agree that his shpiel is rhetoric, maybe it is more of someone with influence and public exposure taking the opportunity to say something relevant, necessary and socially awakening to our community. I dont know if he is suggesting that he himself has the answer or that his lifestyle should be the example of what Black families should aspire to. We take advise and information from people that have failed tremendously in their personal lives but emerge with the experience to counsel to others. Bill Cosby is no different. Financial gurus like Suze Orman was bankrupt, but now leads the industry in financial planning and advising. Our church leaders are sometimes people with a colored past but we fall under their leadership out of respect for their repentance and commitment to the word. Bill Cosby again may not have upheld every standard that he is recommending, but he is qualified to speak on our plightand to make criticism about how we are living. He cant walk in to every household and redesign the structure, but by speaking out he can challenge us to acknowledge our pitaflls and then take the steps necessary in our personal lives to effect change. Our stifling state of mind as Black people has been spoken out on by many leaders and public figures, and still we have not moved in unison to make any progression toward elevating our educational, social, moral and any other of the -als I missed. We cant discredit what he is saying as being valid simply b/c he has had trials in his life that were unfavorable. We all make choices that sometimes have negative impact on our lives, but no one wants to be condemned by that or dismissed for their past indescretions. And it’s not as though Bill Cosby has been consistently irresponsible or reckless in his life either, so I think it might be a stretch to write off or undermine his position esp. when so much of it we already know to be true. We may mot get the perfect messenger but that shouldnt stop us from getting the message perfectly… {I think I just made that up- if so, u all are witnesses and I need to trademark that LOL!!}
see, i told you she won’t leave me alone. lol @ that mental biotch! *turning on the ignore button*
Daria!
Not only do black media stations(white owned) make a mockery of us! Channel 28 ( the CW ) in Houston tx. Puts a qualifier before every black church service saying: THIS IS NOT NECCESSARILY THE VIEWS OF OUR STATION…THIS IS THE FIRST TIME THAT I’VE SEEN THIS QUALIFIER BEFORE A CHURCH SERVICE!
Hey NAH-NAH !
What i’d like to see, is Cosby later attacking the WRONGS DONE to black america…feel me?
think
SMDH , again back to Bill. The name calling is so not nec. Its Cl*****less and stupid.
I see that people on this board are blaming Bill Cosby.
Because someone has sinned in the past means they should not be able to speak up?
Well, that means we need to tell Jesse, Al, Barack, Hillary and everyone else to shut the ***** up and don’t say anything about the black community.
People seem to never want to hear the bad all we want to hear is someone kissing our ***** and giving us something for free!!!
Stop blaming the messenger and listen to the message!!
Is Bill Cosby wrong or do you not want to hear it?
Tiray, how did you get their number? I thought their company was private? If they are really white owned, then I’m really disappointed.
@CubaLinda
I feel what you are saying.. smart , your post is very smart.
^^^^right on down to their advertising offices! They handles ALL advertising for all sites black&white!
It’s amazing that we spill our guts,and our inner-most thoughts on: BET ,bossip,et.al—and we don’t own them outright!
It kills me too!
think
http://www.blackwiz.biz
I disagree with him about hip-hop. Yes, the state of it is a mess but I it’s not responsible for the major issues facing some segments of black America. Some of the biggest consumers of hip-hop are white teens
White people are the majority. The same media that portrays the negative stereotypes that affect our kids also affects white people’s kids. White people get their info about Black people’s way of life and behavior from the media. Including our own. To them, BET is like the Discover Channel. Instead of learning about animals, they learn about us…or so they think. How can we get them to think differently about us if we put the negative images out there ourselves? Why does this matter?… because they are the majority.
Our black media is defining and shaping our culture rather than portraying it.
FrannyG
sorry, i just don’t trust a messenger with”unclean hands”.
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Then who do you trust? There isn’t an adult alive that has no discretions. I’m sure that includes you so get off your pedastel please
@ Tiray–
I know we’ve had our differences of opinions and “slight” cyber beefs in the past. However–I must commend you on your 3:58pm. comment.
I totally agree!
**TruDiva extending the olive branch**
For today–that is! Lol!
@ Andrew
you hit the nail on the head.
As I asked earlier:
Is “the truth” dependent on who speaks it?
If the devil himself spoke “the truth” on a subject, that doesnt make it any less true.
Bill Clinton gets a p***** in the Black community and is even dubbed, “the first Black President” despite his philandering.
Hillary Clinton has several political scandals under her belt and because she uses the phrase “i don’t feel no ways tired” we annoint her as well. She speaks on the plight of Black America as if she has any experience in being black but there is no outcry.
Then Bill Cosby is made into a villian because he, being a black man, dares to speak about the problems in “his”/our culture. Too bad he wasnt a white, mediocre saxophonist that didnt inhale.
Tiray, if this is true than that sucks.
I stay away from B.E.T and AOL Black Voices for that reason. Blackvoices and Africana sold out to AOL which *****ed me off to the core.
Well, this news just ruined my appetite. Whoever type these blogs is either black or knows how to pull it off really well.
I believe Cosby is telling the truth, for the most part. The main thing I disagree with is the idea that Black people aren’t victims. They are; however, what matters is HOW WE RESPOND TO ATTACKS. Let’s face it, Black people, as a whole, are and have been attacked physically, mentally, SPIRITUALLY, financially, emotionally but that doesn’t mean we have to roll over and take it. What he says shouldn’t be discounted because of his past because truth is truth. Even the devil quotes the Scriptures. The only way the Black people he is talking about can overcome these things is spiritual conviction because it’s so out of hand. When you have people killing each other for shoes, jackets, chains, girls, turf (that ironically they don’t even own, white people do), looking at someone in the face, bumping into them, he said-she said, then it’s a matter of the heart. Think about it: people are losing the basic common sense approach to the basics of life. If they knew at least these few things, it would help greatly:
1. White people DO NOT hold the rights to morality, raising your kids, education, working, and community; we can do those things, too.
2. God IS NOT a respecter of persons; He blesses, guides, and loves Black people, too.
3. STOP worrying about what others think of you, both Black and White people. You WILL be the one facing the consequences, you ARE the one living your life.
4. STOP following the images and songs that GLORIFY your destruction! Do you think the people who make this stuff, live it? No! And if they do, they have the money to get out of it. Let’s see how many of these people have helped get you out of these problems.
well said letmetellya!
Please go to the link to read more of the first chapter.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21279731/
@me
I’ve been black for 53 years.
sorry, i just don’t trust a messenger with”unclean hands”.
..said the Hebrew slaves to Moses, a murderer. Well, 40 years later…
@ 1 TRUE DIVA!
actually, i don’t think that i’ve ever had a bad word with you!hmmmm….but hey! thanks!
think!
http://www.blackwiz.biz
@Kdogg
Was that mary who washed jesus’ feet?
CubaLinda – I agree with you 100%.
@Franny G
My point about the messenger is that some people have ad hominem arguments that overlook the merits of the argument itself. Now certainly one should consider the source of any message, but truth can sometimes emerge from places you don’t expect. Damn! For instance, the devil quoted scripture, but you don’t throw the scripture out with him; you properly contextualize it!
Give a brotha a break.
@Kdogg
My references were aimed to illuminate King’s ethic of love and not to strictly compare King to Cosby. I also dealt with the merits of Cosby’s argument. My point about King is that he was middle-cl*****, but he approached all people from an ethic of love. Moreover, he knew not to separate the black struggle from its proper context. Du Bois was the same way. I think Cornel West also speaks to black issues this way. One can be a “race transcending prophet” while also pointing out systemic issues in America that should not be glossed over for any reasons.
If Cosby is going to use the approach he endorses it means being more engaged in the black community, not speaking from above the fray.
I’m out peeps!!!
bill needs to STFU!! all he does is complain, he NEVER gives any solutions! who in the hell made him the authority on all things black? he’s a freakin COMEDIAN!! just because he had a sucessful tv show dont mean he represents a dayum thing! i think all those HONORARY degrees done went to his head! it’s easy to sit in your mansion and write a book about all the things wrong with the ppl in the ghettos and what not! when i see his ***** IN the hood, trying to help “hood folk” (not just funding college for ppl who were gonna go any ways, i mean helping ppl who never even dreamed they could go to college) THEN he can talk all the ***** he wants. i’m not saying that what he’s saying is wrong, but he needs to realize that you cant motivate while tearing down at the same time. he needs to pick one or the other
And k-dogg and Andrew are speaking the truth too…
for those of you saying bill doesnt put his money where his mouth is…….i actually go to an HBCU in the south here he has paid for six innercity youths to attend.he has paid FULL costs. my school is NOT cheap. he might not be building a rec center, but he is doing something.
K-dogg!
I’m REALLY sorry to say this, but i think that the belief in God has held our people down mentally. We can’t think for ourselves because we are SO busy “FORGIVING” THE WHTE MAN and “turning the other cheek” we forgive white people for things that we would kill our own for! HELL, WE EVEN FORGAVE DAVID DUKE(cause god says forgive!
And i said that to say this!!
IF WE CAN FORGIVE WACK -***** DAVID DUKE,WHY CAN’T WE FORGIVE BILL COSBY?
http://WWW.BLACKWIZ.BIZ
@ray ray
My bad. History has a way of repeating when you don’t learn from the past. Jena 6? we just got up and went over there!(we’ll be back)
My references were aimed to illuminate King’s ethic of love and not to strictly compare King to Cosby. I also dealt with the merits of Cosby’s argument. My point about King is that he was middle-cl*****, but he approached all people from an ethic of love. Moreover, he knew not to separate the black struggle from its proper context. Du Bois was the same way. I think Cornel West also speaks to black issues this way. One can be a “race transcending prophet” while also pointing out systemic issues in America that should not be glossed over for any reasons.
If Cosby is going to use the approach he endorses it means being more engaged in the black community, not speaking from above the fray.
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yes! again, well said, ray ray!
omg, a black atheist? what a rare bread!
Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich. – Napoleon Bonaparte
*breed
^^^^^IN A NUT-SHELL!
THINK
Thanks, nahnah.
@Tiray:
I completely understand why you would think that “the belief in God has held us down mentally” but you know, there is a very interesting twist to that. Nearly a year ago, suddenly my white coworker started talking about church and God and she said the ODDEST THING: “Black love to shout and scream in church, whereas we White people like to sit quietly and ABSORB the Word of God”. With that statement, she shed light on what is NOT being taught or learned. Regardless of what god, people may believe, there are things that are just the truth.
You’re speaking the truth Ghost!!! I totally refused to subject my Black Princess to that school system and those who did not have her best interest (EDUCATION) at heart!
I’ve always been a big supporter of Bill Cosby. He speaks nothing but the TRUTH!
It’s time that blacks stop with the bull*****ting and get a serious reality check.
There is something seriously wrong with our community when newer immigrants (i.e. Asians — most notably the Chinese and Indians) can come to North America penniless and within a few years have made a comfortable existence for themselves with their offspring outpacing everyone academically to become doctors, lawyers, CEO’s and engineers, while blacks who have been on this continent for CENTURIES are still living with a dangerous slave mentality. While the Chinese and South Asians are making paper (while laughing at us behind our backs), blacks are still living in the ghetto/projects, brought up in single parent/broken households, with parents/mothers who work three menial jobs if not on welfare, illiterate or uneducated with young black men attracted to fast cash without having the self dignity to earn it the right way, *****e to crime and quick to blame everyone and everything under the sun for their failures in life except themselves.
Stop blaming white people, stop blaming successful blacks like Bill Cosby and Oprah, stop blaming the system… Just stop the bull*****ting and wake up!!!!! Black people are in the state that they are in because they choose to be there and have *****ody to blame for that but themselves (I did not include myself in this argument because I am one, young black woman trying to make a difference).
Wake up people.
Keep on preaching, Bill.
@ray ray
In your opinion, If Dr. King were alive today, would he he agree or disagree with what Bill Cosby has to say.
Also, do you disagree with his message or just have a problem with the messenger?
And how do YOU know, Cosbys involvement in the community? If it isnt televised or reported does it mean it doesnt happen?
im desagree to my full gallery!! http://www.mactanque.com/
@dana
He has a doctorate in education.
quoted from another site…
Bill Cosby’s sociopolitical views, especially about the African-American community, are quite complex and have often been reduced to a simplistic representation. He has a long history of philanthropic endeavors to encourage equality and advancement while other statements he made were taken by the U.S. public as being indictful of the Black Community.
During the 1970’s, Cosby was on the “enemies list” of President Richard Nixon.
He was the first bigtime entertainer to cancel an appearance in Cincinnati after a boycott was called in response to the 2001 Cincinnati Riots. His support of the Black community’s struggle encouraged other stars to follow & was pivotal to demonstrate it was a nationally recognized incident.
Cosby has been critical of Black communities regarding those who hold low standards and allowing fatherless single parent households, high crime rates, and high illiteracy rates. He encouraged ownership of those problems and a more proactive effort from within the Black community to fix those problems. He expanded upon his remarks in San Jose, CA during an event to promote the Read-2-Lead Cl*****ic. The way his speeches were portrayed by popular media provoked a great deal of anger from Black communities. U.S. Senator Barack Obama (D-IL) has made similar remarks regarding the decline of the Black American family.
@black but not american
The countries that you speak of are over populated. The “penniless” people are funded by their governments and your social security system. Their schools demand strong math and science skills.they come here knowing that the us has devalued these skills and advance.
excerpts from Dr. King’s essay WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE: CHAOS OR COMMUNITY
To offset this cultural homicide, the Negro must rise up with an affirmation of his own Olympian manhood. Any movement for the Negro’s freedom that overlooks this necessity is only waiting to be buried. As long as the mind is enslaved, the body can never be free. Psychological freedom, a firm sense of self-esteem, is the most powerful weapon against the long night of physical slavery.
No Lincolnian Eman*****tion Proclamation, no Johnsonian civil rights bill can totally bring this kind of freedom. The Negro will only be free when he reaches down to the inner depths of his own being and signs with the pen and ink of *****ertive manhood his own eman*****tion proclamation. And with a spirit straining toward true self-esteem, the Negro must boldly throw off the manacles of self-abnegation and say to himself and to the world, “I am somebody. I am a person. I am a man with dignity and honor.
I have a rich and *****le history, however painful and exploited that history has been.
What’s the topic again? There is so much going on within these comments.
Anyway, I agree with everything Bill said. To me, it doesn’t matter what he did in his past.. or what he is doing right now.. the message is still true regardless..
My family wasn’t rich, but I came from a nice middle cl***** family.. my parents came from below poverty families and they both went to college.. and sent both my sister and I to college. I’ve seen soooo many smart black children give up on themselves just cause.. not because they were poor.. not because they didn’t have good examples.. but because they were content with mediocracy.
Going to college was considered white.. speaking proper english was uppity…. where does this come from??? You instantly become a sell-out.. but why? There are so many people who are content with a thuggish ***** man, and a ghetto chick on their arm.. that really aren’t about nothing.. and don’t want much… but why?
on and I agree with Landie.. there are a few black owned and operation companies that sell natural products for natural styles.. and those that chemically straighten their hair.. which has now become the litmus test for being “blacker” than the next….sadly
Carol’s Daughter, Treasure locks… oh and go to nappturailty too.. they have good listings of products.
But the reason black owners are few and far between is because they are being bought by larger white own companies.. and we are supporting non-black establishments…
The Truth Shall Set You Free, But First It Will ***** You Off.
I’ve read some interesting things today.
I’ve listen to foreigners tells us how good black people are doing in other countries. To them: It may be great where you are, but for black Americans it ain’t so hot.
I’ve heard people call Mr. Cosby a hypocrite, and thus no legitamacy. These indivduals are the same types that make it hard for former gang members to make changes in the community because they want to call them a hypocrite because these brothas had committed the crimes they were now champion against…*sigh*…how smug of you self-centered cultural elites…can’t allow a person to be part of change because you hold the past against them.
In my revolution even hypocrites (the reformed ones anyway) are parti*****nts.
Rise Black People, Rise!
It is refreshing to see someone talking about these issues other than Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton, both with MAJOR credibility issues. Bill has his own skeletons and demons like most human beings, but he is credible and he absolutely does put him money where his mouth is. He spoke at the GED graduation program in a jail, something that I don’t see anyone else rushing to do. He absolutely invests in education as he understands the value. He has a PhD in education. He gives many scholarships directly to students which is really how you make the most difference. What he says about parents is important. Even if our schools become perfect, students cannot excel without an investment of time and energy from parents. That goes from looking over their homework to making sure they read to ensuring that they aren’t absorbing the CRAP that is fed to them by the media to making sure they eat right to teaching them discipline, self-respect and other important values.
@Jus Another Opinion
Ok has he come and basicly curse every black American the way Bill has? And is he a rapist like Bill?
David Dukes is that you?
Some say Bill Cosby remarks sounds condenscending. But it does not cahnge the fact that we need to think about it. Com’mon, we can do better, we are actually doing better, especially our sisters.Us men need to wake up.
People criticizing Oprah make me laugh, yes she still employee but ask all the business owners you know, they would luv to be in her position. She owns her own studio.
In my opinion, money is not the most important but education is what is important. What i mean about education is SCIENCES mainly.
Hip Hop is not the only music, we also have JAZZ, BLUES….
It can be done, look at AFRICANS in America, they open their own beauty shop(braids), send their kids to school. Look at Indians, Pakistani, Korean , Chinese….etc…
Please encourage each other, black people we bash on each other. Look at these blog. Like I always say Disagreeing does not mean insulting or hating each other.
Please stop hating on Oprah or Bill, they are among the best at what they do, now how many of us can say that???
much love
@ Landie & Ria
…thanx, good to see most ppl coming from same school of thought on this one- or at least p*****ionate about thier opinions, its important…
The subject matter of what’s been posted needs to be talked about more often. It’s disappointing that some of the posts resort to name calling and insults. Kdogg and I have given some accurate statistics of what’s going on with our community. As much as they don’t seem relevant to the p*****ion of the arguments, they are a direct reflection of what’s really happening beyond “I think or I feel” strategies.
The short term quick fix doesn’t exist and restating the obvious that there is racism…is not really a solution. It goes back to the family, supporting each other and taking responsibility for our behaviors.
With the high amount of births out of wedlock, it seems that we are so enslaved to think that we as a people are not as relevant as other races. We seem to act on the behavior that anyone who is sexually attracted to us, especially of another race, makes us feel validated and that the moment of p*****ion or opportunity of sex, statistically, supecercedes common sense and responsibility. The unwanted pregnancy happens and thus the cycle of disadvantage continues. If you watch those ignorant *****ed shows like Maury perpetuating their bread and butter ratings, the paternity shows, it seems that unwed black couples are an epidemic. Sadly, this has become the norm. On those shows, most of the guests are black and speak Ebonics. This is what’s so infuriating, because as exploitive as Maury is, it’s a semi-accurate reflection of today’s society. In an age of instant gratification we as black men seem to embrace the easy out which manifests as not taking responsibility for our behavior. It wasn’t this way as much a generation or two ago. My parents worked 12 hour days, 6 days a week so I could do better. I won’t let them down.
Pop its nice that you mention those small (including carols daughter) companies. But they are just a small part. They are not making millions in the export game. The game is not to make things just for your self meaning Just Black People. Big Business comes from building things, owing them and selling tgoods to your own and but most importantly everyone else. that is how millions are made. The last people you exploit ( and yes business is nothing more then exploitation ) is your own people.
Build the ***** and sell it to “them” or “the others” as we call them. Flip the exploitation. Its business its not personal. The JEws dont get rich from selling to Jews , they get rich from selling to EVERY BODY ELSE !
After you flip the explotation . Bring that money and use that money to support your own” through education and so on. As much as I enjoy Carols Daughter and Treasure Locs Its delusional for them to think that catering to BLACKS only in 2007 will make them millions. And as sad as it is .. its very true and the Disconnect is alive and well. So the energy must be redirected. Start building stuff and hawking it to EVERYBODY. and bring that money back home.
blaqpoet
I dont know any entrepernuers who would want to be in Oprahs shoes. But i do understand where you are coming from . But being a slave (employee) who owns a lil something (harpo studios) is not impressive at all. I dont hate O but she is not my hero . Not even a lil bit. But again i respect your stance .
LMAO @ *****’s who come into bossip for real intellectual convo’s , then get mad when it just wont happen!! IT’S BOSSIP FOLKS! what did you REALLY expect?
We need to look at the message and not the messenger. I think that black america is on a speed boat to destruction and I applaud any public figure who will bring these issues…our dirty laundry, to light.
@ray ray
In your opinion, If Dr. King were alive today, would he he agree or disagree with what Bill Cosby has to say.
Also, do you disagree with his message or just have a problem with the messenger?
And how do YOU know, Cosbys involvement in the community? If it isnt televised or reported does it mean it doesnt happen?
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@Kdogg
Been gone for a minute, but I’m back for a minute. Thanks for the questions.
First, I’m totally convinced–based on King’s approach during the Civil Rights movement and his writings–that he would critique Cosby in a similar way to what I am criticizing him. King was a dialectical thinker. This means King would talk about black uplift, but never take his eye off of the systemic issues facing the black community. King and Malcolm X understood much more profoundly the legacy of white supremacy. Cosby, however, mentions systemic issues, but gives them short shrift and does not contextualize them properly. He, moreover, immediately focuses on what blacks need to do without addressing the significance of the great institutions and ideologies in our nation that have contributed to and continue to contribute to the problem. What was Jena about? It was primarily about the way justice is applied in America. Justice is not blind. This is an ideological problem that both includes and transcends race.
Secondly, King would probably recognize the loss of community and the simultaneous emphasis on a capitalistic individualism today. It’s a mistake to *****ume that young blacks feel a type of solidarity with the black community simply because they are black. Many black people, especially middle-cl*****, have totally bought into the American ethic which is rooted in this capitalistic ethic. Furthermore, many of them sense no real connection to the working cl***** or to the complexity of urban squalor which includes profound educational deficiencies.
Very nice deabte you guys are having. This is the first step. After speaking about it, do something about it. All the parents, teach your children the values and morals that will carry them out of these negative things.
“debate” I mean.
The issues faced by blacks in America in 1960 are different from those faced in 2007. To say that the civil rights leaders of that era would critique this is presumptuous. Of course things aren’t equal. Playing fields aren’t level. The civil rights leaders and activists who were beaten, jailed and even died for the the right to vote, education, etc. would be turning in their graves if they saw how the very opportunities they fought for are pushed aside today. We have a deep respect for these people, but the only way to keep their legacies alive is to use the tools they’ve given us. There are Africans and West Indians living in the same socioeconomic bracket. The children of these people grew up in the same tenement housing with the same sub-standard schools exposed to the same violent and subject to the same racism. Some African-Americans also rise from these situation. The difference between those who rise and those who don’t is a sense of duty and purpose, a family that not only pushes you to do well but expects you to do well and self-worth. Anyone who has these would not be dropping out of school, doing drugs, committing crimes, having babies they are in no way equipped to take care of or limiting their potential by having a kid at 15 or 16.
People act like pregnancy in black teens is all unplanned and focus on giving them sex-ed (which is vital by the way), but the truth is that a shocking number of black teen moms got pregnant on purpose. Why? They are looking for love and want to be valued. In the nearly 13 years I’ve lived in this country, there has ALWAYS been talk about what the issues are and who’s responsible for them. Well, it’s time to WAKE UP, get off our butts and fix things. The academics who people idolize aren’t going to fix things. The government isn’t going to change in any way that benefits you, especially if you don’t vote. There’s one party that is entirely paternalistic (Dems = “white savior”) which negatively impacts everyone really and another that treats you like some parasite to the system, a roadblock to their goals (Reps = people terrified of change or progress). The schools aren’t great, but they are there. Most black kids, heck most kids in the world, would be thankful to have our imperfect system.
Again, not with Cosby on the hip-hop part. That’s a side effect, not a cause. You choose what to listen to and watch. If listening to a rapper, a “brotha,” call “sista” a b—-, a trick, a ho, a gold-digger, well go right ahead. It’s a free country but you’re choosing to pollute your mindset. I’m not exactly sure when singing about ejaculating on a woman became acceptable music material, but I hear that’s what the kids (black and white) are listening to these days. There are so many positive or at least neutral hip-hop artists. Funny how they generally get less love than Soulja Boy, 50, Ludacris, etc. If you watch this stuff, take a break from it for a while and then try watching it again. It becomes so obvious how despicable these songs and images are.
P.S.: I respect differing views on this, however, “Bill needs to STFU,” name calling, talking about his daughter’s demons and his personal demons aren’t views on this. Some of the posters show an unwillingness to even think deeply about the issue and your manner of responding validates his statements more than it discredits him.
To add my two cents on this, his daughters issues aren’t necessarily due to parenting. People make mistakes and grow from those experiences. There’s a prior *****e head running this country for goodness sake. I’m sure everyone on here got the drug talk and the safe sex talk from your parents. I’m sure plenty of you were taught self-respect, but statistically speaking, some of you haven’t always followed the right path. It might be a generational difference, but I know many of my cl*****mates used *****e in the library bathroom during reading week and it’s a slippery slope to addiction so to treat this like some uncommon thing.
As for all the sex-related charges, there’s something there probably. I find it disturbing and it makes me dislike him, but those charges don’t discredit him. If he was selling rocks in playgrounds, it would make him a bad messenger but the message still wouldn’t be invalid.
Some of you are saying he should have said it in a nicer way. Nonsense. The man is fed up, like we all should be. No more softie treatment on these issues. Its time for some tough love.
Bill Cosby for President.
Too many black people cannot accept the truth of what Mr. Cosby is saying. No problem though, because enough of us get it. What I hear constantly from blacks is that Mr. Cosby is too blunt in his delivery. These same blacks can accept calling each other n-words, park apes, b’s and supahead, but cannot take the plain honest truth from Mr. Cosby? What are these weak blacks actually saying, that they want to be cuddled? Don’t they understand the situation we as a group are facing? It is an “All-hands-on-deck. Man-your-battle-stations” emergency facing our race and we are bickering over semantics.
I swear the following is true. Whenever I approach a black man about an idea on empowering our people, 9 times out of 10, he will do a verbal slave back shuffle about the forces out there aligned to defeat him. It is the sickest character of too many blacks in the “hood.” How have we become so well versed in complaining?
At the same time, the one who is without creativity and courage is among the first to offer himself up to jokes, bad language, mischief, robbery, murder, and any acts unbecoming of a gentleman and a scholar.
The world owes us nothing.NOTHING!!! When you can accept that you are on your way to adulthood. To complain that the whites are the ones responsible for all of our failings is to bestow too great of an honor on them. They are not nearly as powerful as some among us may think.
Our collective position within the American political economy has more to do with collective bad judgment, stemming back to the civil rights era (integration), than to the evil that may lurk in the hearts of whites.
Our collective situation is indeed influenced by historical institutions. However, we can resists any and all that is detrimental to our existence if we decide to become the type of people who have respect for ourselves.
If you can accept 50 Cent and those kinds of fools taking your money, breeding conflict, and calling you all kinds of vile crap, how can you demand Mr. Cosby pamper you while you wallow in your own filth? Get real.
On the international stage we are straight being clowned by the weakest and most foolish element of our group and it ain’t Bill Cosby. Don’t look at him with your complaints. Look within.
Yeah, I said it! What???
PREACH!
Also don’t forget Senator edwards and Clinton saying the same things about the state of the black man without the uproar that a Bill is getting.
I TOTALLY AGREE WITH BILL COSBY. We need to stop trying to be our kids best friend and start teaching them how to be a better person. Nothing is going to come to us for free, we have to stop blaming others for our down falls and start striving to become something better.
Kriss STFU Black english is a what white people call it and Bill just fed into downing his own people. So is there a white english and an indian english you ignorant dumb *****. I agree with Bill on everything else but he should have referred to it is ebonics or slang! Silly
The most important tools parents can give their children are; a desire to obtain knowledge, self respect and comp*****ion for others. It’s not just the big things like continuing your education, but it’s also the little things, like what kind of clothes you wear, and how you carry yourself.
If you’re a grown man and you have children , it’s time to take the sneakers off and pull your pants up on your waist. If you’re a mother it’s time to put the short shorts and tight tops away, take the large hoop earrings out, and tone down the weaves and faux fingernails.
For goodness sakes! don’t name your children these made up ,ridiculous names, by doing so you’re labeling them before they can get their foot in the door.
When an employer looks at the name on the application, they shouldn’t be able to tell what race that applicant is.
Speaking proper English is a must in order to succeed in America. Not only should you speak it, but you should also write it. Shortcuts are cool on the internet, but not when you’re writing a report for school.
There’s so much to say on this topic, and I hope people will heed Bill’s advice.
The problem with what he says have not been that it is directed at the poor. Most of the criitcism has been that he continues to harp on black negatives and not positives. Why have our kids watch My Fair Lady? Couldn’t they learn standard English from the Cosby Show? Reading the works of Langston Hughes?
Pants sagging is being banned as much for white kids as black. And there’s that usual *****umption that Gangsta rap makes kids bad. Couldn’t the kids in prison be Hell bound anyway? Their antisocial behavior came before the music. If music or media was as influential as Mr. Crosby *****umes then we would a culture of gun toting, anti-gov types within our community.
I agree with what he is saying but find his solutions very narrow. May I suggest:
a) Teaching students in High School how to prepare for the job market including how to write decent resumes.
b) alternatives to college. Many people, especially boys (black and white) are becoming disillusioned by the high cost/low returns of a degree that is not medically related.
c) marriage prep cl*****es in High School with some advance courses in college. The problem with black families is not marriage but divorce and the fear to enter marriage (especially by men) because of sterotype expectations of the role of husband and expected failure of black men.
d) churches pooling their monies to invest to business. Start building funds that really mean something.
e) church sponsored afterschool programs where alums give back by teaching specialities learned from their careers. this will both get kids off the street and learning valuable skills.
f) neighborhood watches that report and report criminals.
g) make black education month work!!! why do kids turn to Gangsta Rap stars Mr. Crosby? because we have failed to provide them with relevant role models. Napeoleon once said a “Defeated people need a glorious past to build on.” We are not giving them that. instead they are hearing what they are doing wrong. tell them about Mark Dean, tell them about the man who invented the polymer that makes fiber optics practical, tell them about the black billionaires outside of Ms. Winfrey.
h) and Bossip bloggers can do their part by stop negatively comparing black men and women to whites. that is your who want to be with, it should not be an indictment of a group of people.
None of these suggests are new (execpt the Bossip one). Each has been executed successfully by black communities and do work. My problem with Mr. Crosby is that he says what can be said about any group. It may get an “Amen” but it does nothing to change behavior.
@black but not American.
You’re absolutely right. I have seen countless families come over here from China, Pakistan, India, Vietnam, Egypt, Palestine, etc,etc with literally nothing but the clothes on their backs. Yet, they work hard holding menial jobs and use the scraps of money to put together to keep a roof over their families heads, start businesses in many cases and always, always, always make sure that their kids keep school, getting good grades and graduating as their top priority. And in many of those instances the kids have to work too.
Now how are they able to do all of those things and still surp***** black kids born here in so many arenas? Are they suffering less? Are their countries not going through wars in some instances, where families aren’t being persecuted? Also, they DO NOT come here with the financial backing of their governments.
So why are they able to surp***** black kids? Because they do not come here with an, “I’m a foreigner and I can do nothing useful with my life attitude.”
It doesn’t which way you cut it, education is the biggest tool to get yourself out of the ghetto. But how many of our cl*****mates took even English seriously during that time?
How many of us shook our heads in cl***** when a 16 year old couldn’t even browse through a chapter in a book without stuttering and stumbling? But during lunch he had half of the school yard surrounding him while he was spitting proper rhymes.
It starts at the home always. Television and music cannot be blamed for whats going on in the black community.
If a parent does not instill on her children the fundamental common sense of how important learning and staying out of trouble is, then who will?
How many of our parents went to happy hour at the club when it was advertised but never showed up for parent conference day at the school?
Our priorities are messed up big time.
And they’ll continue to be messed up if we refuse to look outside of our four walls and see that their are no big conspiracies keeping us from doing good. Reading is very simple. Getting an education is very simple. Staying out of trouble should be very simple. Not having kids when you can’t take care of yourself SHOULD be very simple. Bringing one child into a dire situation is understandable, sometimes we can’t prevent certain things from happening, but a second, third and fourth child? Knowing you couldn’t even take care of the first?
I could go on and on and on.
We put too much focus on what our neighbors are wearing, how tight our weaves are, whom our baby daddies are screwing next as opposed to the ***** that really matters, that’ll have our black kids excelling academically right next to those white and Asian kids.
Get it together people. Do we not care that so many had to die to give us the chances we have now? Look at how we’re repaying them. Sad.
Bill Cosby is hypocrite and the biggest uncle tom….Didn’t this fool just pay out a big settlement to some girl for sexual *****ault not too long ago?????? STFU Bill and go look in the mirror. Like Fat Albert wasn’t some coon cartoon right??? ***** outta here!!! LOL
I wonder who Bill is going to “feel up” next. Summer27, these people you mention are not black. There’s a world of difference between being non-white and being black.
Bill is a hypocrite. He could barely look after his own screwed up family – now he’s preaching to us how to raise ours. It’s funny that the most igorant-sounding people on these boards (the people he chooses to attack) are the very ones defending him. Hmmmm.
To all those who are criticizing Bill for not saying anything positive, please point to some significant sign of progress in the last 10 years? Barack Obama? Oprah’s still on top? Condoleeza?
People are spitting the medicine out because it’s not sugar coated instead of curing the problem. It’s amazing that some people would rather have no solutions with everything swept under the rug than take an honest look at societal problem and fixing said problems.
The most shocking example of the foolishness of racims was a film Bill Cosby did back in the 70’s.
It was Bill Cosby on Prejudice.
I was shown that film in school when I was in 5th grade.
Honestly, it made an impression. It really should be required viewing in all schools for all children.
I haven’t seen the film in 30 years.
The point if I recall, we are ALL different, white, black, young, old, East coast, West coast…the list is endless. The whole idea, if you start being prejudiced where do you stop?
Bill Cosby preaches that people need to be resonsible for their own lot in life. He doesn’t jump on Al Sharpton or Jesses’ band wagon of pointing out mistakes white people make.
You don’t like where you are in life “MAN-UP” do the right thing, care for your family. Get an education. No reason you can’t embrace your family and its roots.
We can ride the gravey train of Al and Jesse (blaming others for our own faults).
or
We can set our own examples and be proud amoungst ourselves.
How can you say what he is saying is to harsh. When everyday we are bombarded with harsh language and images. What he is saying is the truth.
What he is saying is what I believe to be true. There is a certain elitist segment of black people that need for black people to stay in the situation that they are in so that they can remain in power.
They try and tell us whom we should vote for as if we can’t pick who we think would be better for us and our communities. That is why they are all backing Hilary Clinton. Because she will continue to give them their under ground money.
Think about it. Why would all of these prominent people come out and go against Mr. Obama? Because they know he is not going to grease their palms. He is going to tell them where to get off at.
They come to our churches and they hoop and holler which really irritates me because I don’t go to church for that. Then you never see them again.
Now they are all going to come out of the woodwork on his commnets on NBC because we may actually start to think for ourselves and not become reactionary to everything.
I respect Mr. Cosby and his partner for writing this book and going and speaking against things. Because we are not victims. We are extremely intelligent people we have just forgotten that for the moment.
I say let’s against everything. They are trying to convince us that Ms. Clinton has already won the race but she has not. They go to her functions and take polls and then they take those polls and say that she is in the lead. they are trying to convince you that she has won already and she has not.
Lets stop walking around acting like we don’t know right from wrong. And lets begin to act like ourselves once again.
@ nahnah
I completely agree with your statements that actions speak a louder than words. We as a people say we want change, but what are we really do to make sure those changes happen. The Black community lacks so many positive role models (I’m talking about non-famous ones) that it is a chame. We can do some much for our communities right now! Try going to local community centers and try teaching young black kids how to care about their FREE educations and to have high self esteem. Try to influence them to be more than their parents, but strive to be excellent in all that they do! Make them be prideful of their race and try to do anything and everything to uplift their communites by driving our drug dealers and prositutes. Yes, I know it will be hard but we have to start somewhere.
I was talking to a Black Man last night and he is having a hard time finding out what he wants to do in life…I told him that Yes that I realize he has it extra hard b/c he is a black man so automatically he has some strikes against him but he can not use that as an excise to not work hard. Black people need to realize that nothing will be given to you that you must work extra hard to get everything. It is simple some Black people do not want to work, they want to blame others for their failures, but the world is not made that way! I’m just wondering when we will get a clue.
Bill has some valid point and whether his personal life is what people are talking about rather than they points that he is making is irrevalant. There is some truth to what he is saying. However, I haven’t seen him do much to help with the problem besides writing books… Him and others would have the ability need to help those who help them get to where they are.
Bill is on point. He is saying what so many others are and taking action against. I’m tired of all this ‘we as a people *****’. If you want better do better.
I agree w/ Michael.
I’m a constant figure in my son’s school and it’s heartbreaking what some of the kids have to endure.
Some kids go to school JUST to be able to eat.
That’s a sad truth.
A couple of the kids teased my son for having proper diction!!! lol
White folks turn around when he talks because we know what they think we all sound like.
I don’t and have never used slang around him.
He’s gotta say it right b4 he says it wrong!!!
@ CubaLinda
Anyone seeking higher a higher socio-economic existance can appreciate what Mr. Bill Cosby is saying. I hope that he opens up forums to the communities most afflicted in our society with these issues. As well, I hope to see this philosophy expounded upon beyond awareness and toward real programs and opportunities to change what is going on in our inner-cities and impoverished communities
@ CubaLinda
I COMPLETELY AGREE W/ YOU
@ mICHEAL…..
You completely broke down the issues in our communities.
Very well said.
“It may get an “Amen” but it does nothing to change behavior.”
Well said Michael – I agree it will NOT change behavior.
ray ray, once again, good job! you seem to be one of the few on here who can speak the truth in a very eloquent manner. keep up the good work!
Another thing why do so many people expect those famous people to help the ‘black community’ i.e. Oprah, Denzel, Bill, ect. Why do they owe any black people anything? Did anybody on this site help them get to where they are? And further more do you even bother to help yourselves? I just don’t understand why so many people want a hand out. Those of my fellow man, regardless of race, if you are trying to help yourself and need a little boost I’m always willing to help but to the lazy, stubborn, been on welfare for years, and got three kids before 25 years of age. You are on your own.
“Some of the most negative images of African Americans on TV and in the movies seem to be the most popular among young people—black and white.”
Oh Bill, I agree!!
I don’t understand how some people can say that they don’t agree with what Bill says. Clearly, the truth hurts.
@ AND…..
No one is asking Bill/Oprah/Denzel for a damned thing. SOME of us are merely asking Bill ‘the w*****” Cosby to STFU – he’s a hypocrite.
I don’t see any hypocrisy in anything Bill has said here maybe I am misinformed but he is black so what’s the problem.
JillyBean819
“Some of the most negative images of African Americans on TV and in the movies seem to be the most popular among young people—black and white.”
Oh Bill, I agree!!
I don’t understand how some people can say that they don’t agree with what Bill says. Clearly, the truth hurts.
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You are right the truth does hurt which is why it’s so much easier to point the finger at someone else instead of taking responsibility for your own actions. The entire black community is not responsible for the bad things that are going on it. Each individual is responsible. I for one do not contribute.
Cosby is right!!
DELTA DIVA:
black people can create 100,000 blogs and write 100,000,000 books about the state of black people, but our problems will remain until we have the courage to acknowledge the issues that we face.
unless we dare to accept the social ills that create these problems, and implement a permanent solution to improve our communities, things will continue to remain the same.
the fact is people need role models. people need leaders, brave souls who are willing to stand up and fight for a cause, and allow others to follow them to the road of improvement.
it’s easier to sit here and tell poor blacks (or poor anybody) to get up and do something, than it is to look at the issue on a deeper level and identify the root cause of the problem and attempt to fix it.
people often underestimate the power of self esteem, something a lot of black youths lack on a high level.
people often underestimate the power of a fair and balanced education where all people are taught of their ancestors accomplishments. unfortunately, black youths remain uninterested in the textbooks as they are being taught that they were nothng but slaves. their rich and *****le history, which did not start in colonial america has been exploited and completely wiped out, and it’s sad that so many peopel refuses to acknowledge how this plays a huge role in the psyche of many.
the thing is the black congress folks took it upon themselves to organize hearings with several black rappers as a form of dialogue in an attempt to change how blacks are presenting themsleves in the media.
i challenge dr. cosby to do the same. or he can write 25 other books and see no change.
@ AND…
I agree with you and disagree with you. I think that sometimes ppl like Oprah or Denzel or Bill have a lot to say on the plight pf the black community but I’m not sure if they besides Oprah are putting their money back into the community (it can even be the communties that tehy grew up in). No, we may not have contributed a lot to where they are but if it wasn’t for people going to see their movies or watching their shows then they would not be where they are.
I also agree that black people often look for a handout. Some of us don’t want to work hard to achieve greatness for ourselves. I just wonder how many people that have commented on this story have actually volunteered in their community centers or children’s schools, or how many have took a child and mentored them. I wonder how many of ya’ll are putting some money back into your communties or writing to the FCC to complain about shows that are perpetuating negative stereotypes about blacks, probably not many.
“The problem with what he says have not been that it is directed at the poor. ”
No, he’s directing it towards the “ignorant.” It doesn’t have anything to do with economic status.
It seems to me that no matter who delivers the message, black folk will find a way to disregard it. So what Bill Cosby’s daughter was on crack. So what Bill Cosby did some dirt with another woman. The fact still remains that what he is saying is true. Now we can continue to disregard it because some feel he is an “elitest” or has his own transgressions but to quote a Gangstarr song from back in the day, “Who’s gonna take the weight?”
We all tend to play sideline or monday morning quarterback too much instead looking in the mirror or looking at our sister or brother and realizing that there is a problem. It’s always shoot the messenger with us. I saw him and Dr. Poussaint on Meet The Press yesterday morning and I thought they rambled a little but I also thought they were right too. Bill Cosby and Dr. Poussaint “got their’s” and all I hear them saying through all of the rhetoric and ramblings is that we all, all black people should have our’s too. Where is it written that our communities have to be the way they are? Where is it written that we have to be a part of those statistics that they quoted? Where is it written that we should be nothing more than “ghetto fablous, broken english speaking *****ody’s”? To be quite honest with you, we have sold our souls for a piece of a pie that is not even ours to begin with. We are probably the only minority group in this country that has forgotten it’s heritage and it’s culture. Look around at other ethnic groups like Asians and Hispanics. They still maintain alot of their culture in how they do things and how they STICK TOGETHER. But us, instead of us using what economic status we have acheived thus far for the good, we are all about “me” and my new Benz; and my colossal crib; and all of my “bling” instead of banning together economically and forcing our school systems to step up. Forcing our communities to change. We are the number one consumer of goods and services in this country and all it would take for us to make change is to scale back our purchases of alot of the goods and services and become self-sufficient in our own communities and you would see the power that we could have.
But, until we stop picking at guys like Cosby for telling the truth; wake up and stop degrading our women, our children, each other; bring back the “Village”; etc., we will always have what we currently got….
And…
Your thinking is very scary. You often lack logic and reasoning.
But, who is askig Bill for money? Bill Cosby actually raised concern for the black community, as opposed to black people asking him to raise concern. So, if he’s genuinely concerned, then he should put up or shut up.
I don’t see anybody disagreeing with Bill. But I see a lot of people who are disagreeing witih his approach, and I’m one of them.
It’s easy for Bill to sit in his castle and talk about the lowly blacks, and then write a book about it.
But, as I have said, if he wants to remain relevant, then I suggest he either shut up, or utilize his power and influence to make a real change and not more money by writing a *****ing book.
But, if he’s willing to distribute those books to those lowly ghetto negroes, then I’m all for him. If he’s willing to p***** them out for free or for a small price to black schools, then I’m all for him. Either that or his message will not be heard by the lowly blacks who are busy doing lowly things.
“people need role models. people need leaders”
Grown people don’t need leaders or role models, children do. That’s what being a parent is all about. Your children will try to emulate you, that’s why it’s important to project a positive, respectful image. Children shouldn’t look to entertainers to be their role models, they should look within their families.
BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH
TELLING THE TRUTH IS ONE THING, ACTION IS ANOTHER.
We all know what the truths are:
Too many young black men are behind bars
Too many young black men are dropping out of school
Too many young black women are having babies out of wedlock.
So, yeah we know the truth. In fact, it’s been said for how long now? Bill ain’t the first one. And he won’t be the last one either.
The question is, where are the honest people who are ready to make a change? Or will be continue to just “tell the truth”. ????
@ Geisha
And you are probably white!!
rainlillie:
Grown people don’t need leaders or role models, children do. That’s what being a parent is all about. Your children will try to emulate you, that’s why it’s important to project a positive, respectful image. Children shouldn’t look to entertainers to be their role models, they should look within their families.
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rainlillie, with what you say about parenting. but i want to point out that people are influenced by others no matter their age.
in addition, it is a fact that children are influenced by people other than their parents.
for example: my aunt has three little children. she doesn’t eat sweets or junk food, but it’s a constant battle between her and her children because they have a big problem with eating home cooked meals. the fast food and candy industry market to kids, which causes a change in their perception of what good food is. in other words, entertainment, media, commercials are all influential to kids.
* i agree with what you say about parenting.
The truth is always painful for some, but everyone knows that Bill is right. Bill isn’t going to change what’s going on within certain communities.
The only thing that will bring about change is the attitudes of the people themselves. It starts at home with the family.
It’s that plain and that simple. How can a father parent a child, when he has three or four children by three or four different women, living in different location?.
Study after study has shown that children born out of wedlock are more likely to become teenage parents and live in poverty, which leads to crime. Don’t attack the messenger embrace the message.
@ T.
You call rape some dirt with another women???
rainlillie,
who is attacking the messenger? i don’t see not one post here where someone said bill cosby pointing out the effed up ways of the black community was wrong. everybody and their mama knows the facts about the black community.
we can continue to disconnect the black plight with the social ills that causes them all we want, but the fact remains.
just because you’re 35 years old does not mean you know how to raise a child. if you’re an ignorant person who has children, you will teach your children what you know – which is ignorance.
parenting is a learned behavior, and that’s why they have parenting cl*****es.
we can ***** and moan and write books and ***** and moan and write books, nothing will change.
in fact, we’ve been *****ing and moaning and moaning and *****ing for so long now, and nothing has changed so far. this tells you that *****ing and moaning is not the solution.
bill said the obvious with no solution, and again, i ask him to put up or shut up.
“or example: my aunt has three little children. she doesn’t eat sweets or junk food, but it’s a constant battle between her and her children because they have a big problem with eating home cooked meals. the fast food and candy industry market to kids, which causes a change in their perception of what good food is. in other words, entertainment, media, commercials are all influential to kids.”
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I know where you’re coming from. That’s why I monitor what my children listen to and watch on TV. I also won’t allow them to sleep over at family members homes if they won’t respect my rules.
You will ***** some people off, but I’m looking at the bigger picture. My children are more important than someone’s hurt feelings. It’s even been said behind my back that I think my children are “too good” for this or that. That’s the price you pay when you’re trying to do the right thing.
I agree with Mr. Cosby and I don’t think he needs to sugar-coat anything. We need to do better-much better. Alot of the trouble we’re in is of our own making. We’ve got to pull ourselves up by our bootstraps and stop blaming others.
nahnah,
Someone said he should “STFU.” That’s what I’m referring to when I said attack.
for all you folks who keep saying people are denying bill’s comments, please post some examples where people are denying them.
as far as i see, some people call him a hypocrite (which he is, but even hypocrites have the right to speak out )
some people are not liking his approach (i don’t either, as i feel it’s void of a real solution)
some people are calling him an elitist who’s made money off of the lowly blacks (which is true)
BUT WHO IS SAYING HE’S INCORRECT ABOUT THE BLACK COMMUNITY?
he’s one-sided, yes, but not incorrect. the plight of poor blacks is there before our eyes, and no one denies it.
just as we can’t deny the plight of poor whites or
This is an excellent debate! I am enthralled that so many people get it. I never really questioned the problems in the Black community; I always *****umed that it is the way it is, until I started working. Just from dealing with my coworkers and the public, I’ve learned how Black people are really viewed and treated and how these “little” things reflect on the seriousness of certain issues. For example: At my work, the maintenance crew is actually one of the highest paid positions. Well, it’s an all Black crew. However, I’ve seen where a Black person has tried to move into one of the supervisory positions,WHICH MAKES LESS MONEY, and they are denied. Not because they are unqualified, but because many of the White people there were are not going to give an important title to Black or lower-cl***** White people. And I’m not hollering racism but it is true. My coworker taught me this: No one cares how much money a Black person makes, if they DON’T know how to use it. This can be applied to knowledge, anything good. People say Cosby should put his money where his mouth is, but really it’s better to keep that low-key.
People say Cosby should put his money where his mouth is, but really it’s better to keep that low-key.
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what do you mean by this statement,letmetellya?
@ rainlillie
I have much respect for you on how you raise your children. I know it must be tough to deny some of your family members access to your children but you have every right to do so and as their parent I must say well done.
@nahnah
What good would it do for Bill to give his books away for free to the “lowly ghetto negroes” as you put it, if those same people won’t even read the books they have for school, which are free?
@Delta Diva
I understand what you mean but I think I did not elaborate enough. I don’t mean that they shouldn’t help but what is needed is time, love, and a collective effort not money. Oprah spent millions of dollars so that those children in Africa could go to school. The kids here are dropping out. The facilities are already in place some just choose not to take advantage.
and…
why did bill write the book?
it’s interesting that in your mind, it’s just that simple.
nahnah
DELTA DIVA:
black people can create 100,000 blogs and write 100,000,000 books about the state of black people, but our problems will remain until we have the courage to acknowledge the issues that we face.
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this blog “is” acknowledging the issues that we face.
oprah ain’t spend *****, she invested millions of dollars in a school for 150 girls. that ***** is like castle. she will get all that money plus more back through publicity and promotions.
black kids here are disconnected with a lot of what’s being taught in schools because the system teaches them lies and misinformation. it’s easy to believe the deviance is in their bloods, lol.
and…
according to you, it’s out of laziness, so how do you acknowledge it?
@ AND…
I completely agree with you. I think our children do not realize how important an education is and that us mainly b/c their parents are not pushing them to get a good one and to maintain it. Blogs and books are not an answer to the problem…
I also agree with one poster who said that why should Bill give away books when blacks don’t read the ones they get for free, which is true. I was always considered and still considered to be nerdy b/c I like to read! It doesn’t bother me though b/c readin keeps me informed and it keeps my mind clear…However we must instill in our children that books help to develop skills instead of buying them video games or sitting them in front of televisions to get rid of them for a couple of hours.
i too was considered a nerd in school and i went to predominately white school!
TIRAY – If you are reading this thread, i contacted bossip and they informed me that bossip is black owned.
I don’t know if they’re telling me the truth or not, but this is what they told me!
@ nahnah
I went to a predominately black high school but for college I went to a majority white school and even now that I’m in majority white grad school, I still hear the same things and its mostly from blacks…
@ Delta Diva
Thank you for actually reading my posts, regardless of agreeing with them or not.
@nahnah
This applies more to you…”Your thinking is very scary. You often lack logic and reasoning.”
As Delta Diva just stated the children in this country are not being pushed to learn. Oprah, whether she built it with her own two hands or wrote the check to get it started, has given hope and opportunity to not only those 150 girls but to girls that haven’t even been born yet. You typed, “unless we dare to accept the social ills that create these problems, and implement a permanent solution to improve our communities, things will continue to remain the same” and you also spoke of handing out books for free. Hasn’t she done just that? That school is a solution to improve and she did not charge them to attend that school.
Delta Diva
@ nahnah
I went to a predominately black high school but for college I went to a majority white school and even now that I’m in majority white grad school, I still hear the same things and its mostly from blacks…
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That’s usually how it goes. We tell each other ” you talk white” or “you trying to sound smart” when really without knowing it that person is insulting themselves and all black people by saying that speaking correctly indicates intelligence then all black people are dumb and white people are smart. I’m so tired of this mentality.
delta diva,
our experian show that the term ‘nerd’ is universal. the funny thing is tv promotes the ‘cool’ kids while making fun at the book loving ‘nerds’.
but to be called a nerd in grad school is just stupid and silly. i don’t understand why grad students would call each other names. seriously, what sense does that make, since people who end up in grad school tend to be those who have excelled in previous levels of education – a.k.a people who have been into their books? it shows how stupid people could be. obviously they don’t belong there.
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***** Cliff Huxtable. Gives us some money Bill And stop drugging women and raping them. He’s mad cause his son got killed, but this big butt has-been doesn’t seem to remember that a white supremist did that, not poor people. We could talk like queen elizabeth, that wont make them like us. Watch “My fair lady” in ‘07? Is this nucca drunk?
@ nahnah….
Yeah it’s erally ridiculous. I guess when kids see “nerds” getting picked at on TV and at school it makes them less likely to want to be smart or show that they ware smart so they wont get bullied.
It’s also amazing that no matter how much education or degrees that soemone has, a lot of people still do like to read or have trouble comprending intelligent coversations.
@nahnah and Michael.
I agree with both of you. I don’t mean to sound flippant, but with all these “messengers” (Bill ain’t the first) delivering the “truth” I am hard pressed to understand why their message has yet to take root with so many. I suppose actually planting those words would be required. I may scream “y’all should plant some gr***** or you’ll sink butt deep in the mud” all I want, but until someone actually sows some real seeds, there will still only exist a muddy field when the rains come. Besides, the transformation from victim, to survivor to one who has overcome takes time and a purposeful plan. Haranguing poor folks in the guise of tough love just doesn’t appear to be a good plan from someone who has so much influence.
His rhetoric appears more in line with the zeitgeist of this country being self aggrandizement, materialism, individualism and elitism, to name a few. If he were running for president, would he excoriate his would-be constituents by exposing their so-called dirty laundry (which is a hoot, because most black folks I know were not learning any new information from him) and speaking down to them as if they were too stupid to come out of the rain… even if they were? He would be called a kook, an idiot a man who bites the hand that he wants to feed him. It makes absolutely no rational sense to berate when you should and can build a rapport with folks… unless we are talking to other black folks, apparently. The driver ain’t dead yet.
Some black folks save their harshest words for folks who look an awful lot like them and have come from similar cir*****stances. I’m not saying love a drug dealer. Cut folks like that off at the knees. But we cannot forget that many of these drug dealers have children who deserve to be in the presence of someone who knows better and can win their trust in a two-way conversation/relationship. These children did not choose to have parents who are incapable of being parents.
If preaching monologue from on high was feasible, I do believe we never would have felt the lash but only once. But I fear some of us were broken a long time ago and keep p*****ing down the ways of self destruction. Calling a person who does foolish things a fool, who already believes they are a fool, sounds redundant and pointless to me.
and…
i think your mentality is very scary because you have no basis. you have it in your mind that those things appeared out of thin air. this type of approach leads to a lack of solutions.
also, i have never been accused of ‘talking or acting white’. and i don’t recall delta diva saying she was accused of being white by black kids either. she did say she was accused of being nerdy, but not white.
while that ‘talking white’ thing exist in the black community, it’s mostly due to some blacks having a “white sounding voice” or suburban and little to do with talking proper english.
my sister was called an oreo by black kids because she sounded like a ‘valley girl’. she was also a ‘c’ student, but that didn’t keep them from calllng her white. i on the other hand was never called white, even when i was always what people consider well spoken and smart.
in addition, the valedictorian was a black girl, asia, and she was NEVER called white in school. she was accused of being a nerd, but NEVER white.
what we fail to understand is that the same way we as black people have different physical features from whites, is the same way we also talk differently. this has nothing to do with proper english vs ebonics. it has to do with genetics and environment. look at that american idol guy, elliot yamin. he is a white jewish boy who people say sound ‘black’ and have ’soul’. my white friend alex told me the other day she thought it was usher singing when she heard him on the radio. and many people say christina aguilera sounds ‘black’ when she sings. so we can keep denying the distinct difference between blacks and whites, to make excuses for refusing to think on a broader level all we want, but nothing will change.
i have yet to see anybody equating education with whiteness. nerdiness, yes, but whiteness, never. but when i do, i’ll let you know.
i went to an interview at a real estae firm in manhatatan this past summer, and the owner who interviewed me could not get over the fact that i was so well-spoken. he even went as far as asking me if i attended college. 99% of the conversation was about me being so well spoken.
He’s not drunk. He’s just a 70 year old Black man that has experienced life as a black man through the civil rights movement until now. He went from being a high-school dropout to having a Doctorate in Education. He has been an advocate for education in the black community for decades. The Brown Hornet, Picture Pages, Electric Company, Fat Albert, The Cosby Show, Little Bill,and other books, and movies prove that. I would imagine that very few, if any on this site have his resume. He started with LESS OPPORTUNITY AVAILABLE THAN WHAT WE ARE AFFORDED TODAY.
tee dee:
I am hard pressed to understand why their message has yet to take root with so many.
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exactly!
Besides, the transformation from victim, to survivor to one who has overcome takes time and a purposeful plan.
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exactly!
Haranguing poor folks in the guise of tough love just doesn’t appear to be a good plan from someone who has so much influence.
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EXACTLY!
It makes absolutely no rational sense to berate when you should and can build a rapport with folks
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THANK YOU!
These children did not choose to have parents who are incapable of being parents.
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PERFECT!
Calling a person who does foolish things a fool, who already believes they are a fool, sounds redundant and pointless to me.
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THANK YOU! THANK YOU! THANK YOU!
Bravo TeeDee! Very VERY well said!
piankey,
it is true that he forgot who killed his son, and it sure wasn’t a rap loving lowly negro from the hood.
I think that he has earned the right to critique the state of Black America and not use kid’s gloves while doing it. Some of you suggest that he should take more action. Action like what? What should he do that he has not done already? Have “you” done it? He speaks at Black events and colleges all of the time. He tries to get through to the people that can make a difference…future black professionals. Look at his accomplishments. He made it in a system that wasnt designed for him.
Wake UP! Black America
Things will never be equal. Racism will always exist. The deck is stacked against you.
Knowing these things we should not get in the “woe is me” state. All Bill Cosby is saying is that we need to take care of the things that we are personally accountable for and can personally change. You cant get people to change nationally if you cant get them to even fix themselves and their own households.
@ teedee & nahnah
Calling a person who does foolish things a fool, who already believes they are a fool, sounds redundant and pointless to me.
Not if you tell them WHY they are a fool and HOW they can stop being foolish.
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These children did not choose to have parents who are incapable of being parents.
Youre right. And the only time they may here some parental advice is from someone like Cosby.
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It makes absolutely no rational sense to berate when you should and can build a rapport with folks …Haranguing poor folks in the guise of tough love just doesn’t appear to be a good plan from someone who has so much influence.
If pointing out your mistakes in an effort to cause change is berating, then my parents had the parenting thing all wrong.
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Besides, the transformation from victim, to survivor to one who has overcome takes time and a purposeful plan.
Who are the victims? Was Bill Cosby a victim? The only purposeful plan a victim needs is to learn how not to stay a victim and how not to become one again
@nahnah
I’m not saying benefactors like Cosby, Oprah, and others need to be “fearful of da white man”, but honestly, there are people,White AND Black, who would not want their efforts to succeed, for whatever reason. I know it sounds crazy, but have you ever noticed any event, business, or gathering involving Black people trying to accomplish something powerful and beneficial, suddenly gets attacked, spied on, accused of something, and eventually disbanded? Do you think Oprah could openly and continuously support a message or project that has the potential to DRAMATICALLY change the lives of Black people? Yeah, she could, but I’ll bet she’ll lose support and funds. Look at how she was attacked for building the school in South Africa; had she done it here, she risks losing her predominantly white audience and advertisers, much worse than the criticism. If you recall the statement “It’s alright for Black people to have, as long as they don’t know what to do with it”, think about it. There are Black megachurches, pro football, baseball, and basketball players with $100 million contracts, singers/rappers, actors/actresses, and some CEOs. With all that incredible wealth, if SOME got together to fund the things that need money (more than money is needed) it would be incredible. But like I said, they risk losing it. It’s fine if some things are funded, as long as it doesn’t become too powerful.
@ teedee & nahnah
My comments are in Bold
Calling a person who does foolish things a fool, who already believes they are a fool, sounds redundant and pointless to me.
Not if you tell them WHY they are a fool and HOW they can stop being foolish.
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These children did not choose to have parents who are incapable of being parents.
Youre right. And the only time they may here some parental advice is from someone like Cosby.
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It makes absolutely no rational sense to berate when you should and can build a rapport with folks …Haranguing poor folks in the guise of tough love just doesn’t appear to be a good plan from someone who has so much influence.
If pointing out your mistakes in an effort to cause change is berating, then my parents had the parenting thing all wrong.
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Besides, the transformation from victim, to survivor to one who has overcome takes time and a purposeful plan.
Who are the victims? Was Bill Cosby a victim? The only purposeful plan a victim needs is to learn how not to stay a victim and how not to become one again
Not if you tell them WHY they are a fool and HOW they can stop being foolish.
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EXACTLY, now tell the to Bill Cosby because his approach sucks.
@everybody
Why is it that we should work together? If each individual does their part won’t the whole thing be okay? Bill Cosby has his fame and money he isn’t one of the lowly ghetto negroes, as some here state. Why can’t each person do what they are supposed to do and be done with it. All this band together crap doesn’t work unless it’s for foolishness most of the time.
nahnah
and…
i think your mentality is very scary because you have no basis. you have it in your mind that those things appeared out of thin air. this type of approach leads to a lack of solutions.
also, i have never been accused of ‘talking or acting white’. and i don’t recall delta diva saying she was accused of being white by black kids either. she did say she was accused of being nerdy, but not white.
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I never said you or Delta diva were accused of ‘acting or talking white’ I was simply stating an example of what I’ve seen relevant to the discussion. Must you be so damn preachy.
KDogg
He’s not drunk. He’s just a 70 year old Black man that has experienced life as a black man through the civil rights movement until now. He went from being a high-school dropout to having a Doctorate in Education. He has been an advocate for education in the black community for decades. The Brown Hornet, Picture Pages, Electric Company, Fat Albert, The Cosby Show, Little Bill,and other books, and movies prove that. I would imagine that very few, if any on this site have his resume. He started with LESS OPPORTUNITY AVAILABLE THAN WHAT WE ARE AFFORDED TODAY.
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It’s so funny that some of the people on here are so caught up in the “don’t tell me what to do you’re not perfect either” attitude that they can’t even give this man the respect he deserves. As KDogg just mentioned above he has come from the very same place as those he is addressing. Who better to tell you to get up off your *****es and do better than someone who was right down there in the trenches with you and rose up?
your comments are as silly as those who truly believe in their hearts that all black people can become billionaires like oprah.
do you truly know the history of black progress in america? most people are not familiar with dr. king’s final years, where he shifted his focus to black empowerment instead of racial integration. dr. king advocated for the upliftment (is that even a word?) of blacks out of the ghetto by means of education, self esteem, self empowerment, and government/institutional intervention. instead of being one-sided like mr. cosby, he acknowledged all the factors that contributed to the lack of advancement in blacks….remember dr. king was shot years after the civil rights after the civil rights legislations, and that is because his focus was on soci0-economic issues and need for reform in the way blacks are taught in public schools.
the thing you must realize is that poor blacks go through is what ALL poor people go through. poverty itself has never EVER had a positive connotation. poverty begets a lot of ugly things, and that’s a fact. and unless we TACKLE poverty, or, to the least, unite in the name of survival, NOTHING will change. no amount books written by billionaire elites will change the system. NONE.
the thing is bill cosby was around during the black power movement. bill cosby was around when the same black men we love to scrutinize today were spending their times feeding ghetto black kids and implementing educational programs to help them survive the harsh realities of the ghetto. bill cosby was around when those groups were killed off by the united states government.
the fact is black people have been silenced in america. our movements will never be the way they were a few decades ago. but if you are looking for each and every FOOL in the ghetto to rise up alone, then i suggest you refrain from holding your breath, because that won’t happen. those people will just continue to produce generations upon generations of poor ignorant souls.
and…
I never said you or Delta diva were accused of ‘acting or talking white’ I was simply stating an example of what I’ve seen relevant to the discussion. Must you be so damn preachy.
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must you be so full of *****? education does not equate white. that’s a myth that you obviously have caught up with.
@ nahnah
What the hell are you talking about?????
Why is it that we should work together? If each individual does their part won’t the whole thing be okay? Bill Cosby has his fame and money he isn’t one of the lowly ghetto negroes, as some here state. Why can’t each person do what they are supposed to do and be done with it. All this band together crap doesn’t work unless it’s for foolishness most of the time.
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it’s funny you say this since it was those hundreds of thousands of negros who marched so you could be able to spew this diatribe.
if you’re such an individualist, then not ask cosby to shut his mouth and do his thing and let others do what they do?
also, i’m *****uming you don’t find anything wrong with commercial rap and any other medium that represent blacks in such a negative light, since we all can do it on our own.
what am i talking about? BLACK PEOPLE DON’T CALL OTHER BLACK PEOPLE WHITE FOR BEING SMART. THAT’S PURE AND UTTER BULL*****. BLACK PEOPLE AND ALL OTHER SILLY PEOPLE CALL SMART KIDS . STOP GIVING WHITE PEOPLE ARE THE DAMN CREDIT, PLEASE.
LetMeTellYa:
that is 100% true. do you notice how obama refuse to speak on a certain subject for the fear of losing support from whites?
minorities advancing is a threat to the rich, white elite and history proves that.
we need the condi and the oprahs, and they best not talk that black mess.
@ nahnah
You need to relax. I simply asked a question that does not warrant all the hate you are giving out. I’ve just been reading the post and after all that how many of those “fools”, “ignorant souls”, and “lowly ghetto negros” do actually think are on this site speaking on this topic? The line that continues to resurface is that we need to do this… we need to do that…Who is WE? Is it the educated people with the means or is it the people that Bill was addressing? The only person with control over my life is me. I can only do better if I choose to. Those hundreds of thousands of negros that marched were the ones being affected by it. They stood up and marched for their own rights and once a lot of ones get together you have multitudes. I don’t ask Bill to shut his mouth b/c he has the right to say what he wants and b/c he knows what it is like to be down and out he has more of a right to speak on it than someone who has not.
nahnah
what am i talking about? BLACK PEOPLE DON’T CALL OTHER BLACK PEOPLE WHITE FOR BEING SMART. THAT’S PURE AND UTTER BULL*****. BLACK PEOPLE AND ALL OTHER SILLY PEOPLE CALL SMART KIDS . STOP GIVING WHITE PEOPLE ARE THE DAMN CREDIT, PLEASE.
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Sweetie you need to calm the hell down. You don’t know what I’ve seen or heard. Where I am from black people do make fun of other blacks for being smart and try to demoral them by saying they are trying to act white. If you have never experienced that GREAT, but I have so don’t tell me what people don’t do b/c you are not God.
According to Forbes.com, the top five “Hip-Hop Cash Kings” (based on 2006 income) are:
1. Jay-Z $34 (million)
2. 50 Cent $32
3. Diddy $28
4. Timbaland $21
5. Dr. Dre $20
These are some of Cosbys peers
Thanks Bill for stepping up and saying what needs to be said; even if it isn’t popular. Yes Bill may have made mistakes in the past but he has also given just as much to the upliftment of the Black race. At first I was suprised that our mature folks had problems with what he says but I quess if someone steps on your toes its only appropriate to say ouch.
@ Plugg62208
Well said. I guess since my toes were not some of those stepped on I don’t see a problem with what he said.
Those hundreds of thousands of negros that marched were the ones being affected by it. They stood up and marched for their own rights and once a lot of ones get together you have multitudes. I don’t ask Bill to shut his mouth b/c he has the right to say what he wants and b/c he knows what it is like to be down and out he has more of a right to speak on it than someone who has not.
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your comment above is proof that you’re clueless.
1. dr. king was from a middle cl***** background yet he still advocated for the poor.
2. many of his allies were whites, and they were not directly affected by racism.
3. i truly hope you didn’t mean to say that those leaders were marching for your happy behind to be able to sit here and speak freely like this were just doing it for them. true leaders, as most of them were, look at the past, present, and future of their cause.
4. plenty of men were and still are feminist.
5. what is your take on hip hop? since you harbor an individualistic mentality, do you think there should be some sort of reform in the music industry, or it is fine the way it is?
WOW IT’S REALLY SAD THAT MOST OF THE PEOPLE ON HERE CANNOT SEE WHAT IS WRONG WITH BILL COSBY’S STATEMENT. IT IS SAD HOW HATEFUL PEOPLE ARE TO POOR BLACKS. IT IS SAD THAT BLACKS CANNOT SEE HOW LOST THEY ARE. I MEAN WHITE PEOPLE DON’T HAVE TO DO ANYTHING BECAUSE WE DO IT TO EACH OTHER.
kdogg:
These are some of Cosbys peers
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THANK YOU! Exactly! Bill have direct access to those elitist fools who are responsible for presenting blacks in such a negative light. Let him sit down with them and find a way to end this mess.
Since you advocated for him staying within circle, I would say yes, let him stay there and do his part, and stop writing books that will change absolutely nothing.
You helped me prove my point, thanks!
Plugg62208 must believe in the ‘all talk and no action’ mantra.
So what he said something? And?
@ nahnah
LOL, you missed everything I just typed.
1. I never said all the people marching were poor. I said “the ones being affected by it.”
2.You don’t have to be black to be affected by something. I am concerned with things beyond my race and gender.As you stated above “the thing you must realize is that poor blacks go through is what ALL poor people go through. poverty itself has never EVER had a positive connotation. poverty begets a lot of ugly things, and that’s a fact”
3.MLK said himself that he had a dream that “one day”… (future tense).So I know that they did was for all people present and future.
4. IDK about this one.
5. What about hip hop. Some I like some I don’t. I don’t like the use of the N-word but that doesn’t mean that an adult doesn’t have the right to say it. I don’t blame hip hop for the state of the black community. What else you got cuz you are way off base here.
Nah Nah said: BLACK PEOPLE DON’T CALL OTHER BLACK PEOPLE WHITE FOR BEING SMART. THAT’S PURE AND UTTER BULL*****. BLACK PEOPLE AND ALL OTHER SILLY PEOPLE CALL SMART KIDS . STOP GIVING WHITE PEOPLE ARE THE DAMN CREDIT, PLEASE.
nahnah, I have disagreed with but respected your opinions during this topic. However, unless I misunderstood your statement, you are far from the truth. I, like you, went to a predominately white school. I moved to SC when I was in High School. Although this high school was mostly Black, I was placed in cl*****es that were mostly white. My English, which I thought was regular, was too white for the Blacks and too Northern for the Whites. I actually had Black people(adults) ask me to *****ounce words over and over so they could all get a laugh at my proper enunciation. “Listen at how he says axed.” (asked)
Most of my friends were Black even though to them, I didn’t act Black enough.
I could go on and on but I have work to do.
1. I never said that ones marching were poor I said the ones being affected by it did.
2.I am concerned with things that have nothing to do with my race or gender so the white people that marched must have been affected by what was going on around them.
3.In MLKs speech “I Have A Dream” he said he dreamed that ‘one day’ (future tense)so I know that they did what they did for generations to come.
4. IDK where you are coming from with this.
5. What about hip hop? Reform what? Most “music” isn’t music. It’s just catchy lyrics.
Can we please keep the dialog positive? I’ve read some very interesting and insightful comments here today but I think we need to refrain from name calling and respect each other’s views, not berate each other and talk down to each other.
I believe Mr. Cosby has the right to say what he pleases and has earned that right. With that being said, I also feel he is condescending and comes from a holier than thou place…. I make a very good salary, but I would probably be considered poor by most. I don’t feel he’s stepping on MY toes, but I do feel he is looking down his nose at whomever his comments are addressed to.
KDogg
Nah Nah said: BLACK PEOPLE DON’T CALL OTHER BLACK PEOPLE WHITE FOR BEING SMART. THAT’S PURE AND UTTER BULL*****. BLACK PEOPLE AND ALL OTHER SILLY PEOPLE CALL SMART KIDS . STOP GIVING WHITE PEOPLE ARE THE DAMN CREDIT, PLEASE.
nahnah, I have disagreed with but respected your opinions during this topic. However, unless I misunderstood your statement, you are far from the truth. I, like you, went to a predominately white school. I moved to SC when I was in High School. Although this high school was mostly Black, I was placed in cl*****es that were mostly white. My English, which I thought was regular, was too white for the Blacks and too Northern for the Whites. I actually had Black people(adults) ask me to *****ounce words over and over so they could all get a laugh at my proper enunciation. “Listen at how he says axed.” (asked)
Most of my friends were Black even though to them, I didn’t act Black enough.
I could go on and on but I have work to do.
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Thank you KDogg. Nahnah is about to have a *****ing stroke trying to argue every damn little thing that he can’t possibly know unless he was God. It’s actually starting to get funny how argumentative he is.
I want to address a couple things.
1. Oprah owns her own show. She single handedly obtained the rights and went syndicated she was the pioneer of this technique and made Harpo Productions which is her named spelled backward and owns the Doctor Phil show and The Oprah Winfrey show. Oprah also owns a large stake in Oxygen, and the 50 of 50 25 25 share in O magazine. I think it’s telling that someone would *****ume Oprah is being run by some white man.
2. I see a lot of people saying wealthy blacks need to help poorer blacks. Help them how? There is a definite disconnect. I’ve never heard anything about wealthy asians helping poor asians. It seems to me this each one teach one argument is predicated on *****umption that poorer blacks are somehow intellectually, or for that matter physiologically inferior.
3. I agree with what Bill is saying, but I don’t believe it is appropriate to socio-economically address an entire race based on the least among them.
4. Hip hop culture is poisonous, degrading, and self destructive. Hip hop culture is not the be all and end all of black culture. I support any statements such as Dr. Cosby’s that aim to stop hip hops devouring of black culture.
5. We do have to start believing in personal responsibilty. No one made you sell drugs. Yes you did have other options. It is not okay to shoot anyone. Hip hop culture is breeding a generation of African American male sociopaths and I think everyone should do everything they can to stop it. Bill Cosby is doing his part. Oprah spoke up. Now it’s up to us. How many of us will listen to nonsense on the radio. How many of us will worship these criminals and place them as role models. WE HAVE TO DO BETTER!
nahnah
Do you have a split personality? Is one persona an intellectual while the other is borderline ignorant?
I never said that Cosby should stay in his own circle. When I mentioned that he was an entertainer that was to compare him with other entertainers, since everyone wants to compare him to Dr. King. He’s Black…so blacks are his circle anyway!
And the reason I posted that HIP HOP’s Richest list was to show how we have “other” rich Black entertainers that do less than what Bill has done.
I hope everyone reads the entire article:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21279731/
kdogg,
what does your experience have to do with the fact that i denounced the notion that blacks equate education as being white?
but it’s funny because when i go to florida to visit my family, people laugh at me because my dialect sounds funny. they say i have a funny new york dialect. they too would ask me to say things just so they can laugh. of course, it’s all play, but it goes to show that this is not exclusive to black people AND anybody who uses this as an excuse as to why blacks are so behind is being 100% dishonest with themselves.
it’s interesting how i’ve been hearing that stuff for a while, and back in june i attended my brother’s graduation, which was at a predominately black school. the valedicatorians were cheered by their peers, and the guest speakers who spoke on the importance of education received standing ovations, stomps, drum beats, and everything. the thing is that was my first time attending a high school graduation in an all black high school, and it shattered the b.s. myth that black youths don’t want an education because they think it’s ‘too white’.
and as you walked past the bulletin boards, of 169 out of 183 students were attending a 4 year university.
kdogg,
i never said you said he should stay in his circle. i did however say he should stay in his circle. if that is what you read, it’s because i mistyped.
and since you posted those other black elites, and claimed that he should be judged as an entertainer, then i said i will judge him positively IF he remain in his circle and proceed to work toward changing what he claims to be so concerned about.
Why would we expect Bill Cosby to put his $$ where his mouth is?? You cant pay someone to stop being ignorant {just look at all the ignorant millionaire celebrities}… It doesnt always take $$ to fix a problem and the issue that he is addressing is not, “Why Black folk dont have no money?”. If that was the issue, then I would see where most people would expect that to be the remedy. But he is addressing our state of mind, our beliefs and value systems. He’s calling out our behavior which is affecting our ability to be successful {not rich} and raise responsible and admirable children. That comes from within and what we are exposed to in our homes and our communities. There is no amount of dollars to elevate someone’s devalued ethics and conduct and you cant buy self- confidence, self- respect nor self- pride. So anyone dismissing his opinions b/c he isnt backing it with a dollar sign is probably missing the message to the extent that they most likely are the intended addressee of his message. Sadly, the people that will get his message and recognize what he is trying to communicate will be the ones most likely to by the book and chances are that these individuals are already walking the line and upholding their standards in the Black community so the message is already within them. It is the lower rungs of our community {and I mean so figuratively- not financially} that will not read this book and therefore not have exposure to the awakening. We should be appreciative that there are a contingent of Black professionals and celebrities that are still bound to our cause and advancement… There aren’t enough of the Bill Cosby archetypes in our generation and when these outspoken activists expire, I shudder to think who will be the voice of our people then. Who will have to speak out against brutality, injustice, inequality in the workplace a bunch of rapsheet rappers?? We move swift to knock down the agitators of civil rights in our communities and debase them, b/c we dont like being scolded for our sometimes stagnant and objectionable lifestyles. They continue to step up and speak out for us despite the way we publicly shun their efforts and disgrace their efforts. Perhaps this is the reason why despite our numbers, we have no collective influence. It does not go unnoticed that we are ourselves knocking down Bill Cosby and I imagine we are being laughed off as any kind of threat to other groups b/c we have no allegiance for our own. Personally I think we have to sometimes sacrifice our opinions if someone with an obvious agenda for our best interests appears to rally on our behalf. Even if we cant agree with their entire approach we have to compromise and find some resolve on the issue so that we can arrive at some progress. We dont all have to think the same way about how to get it done, but if we care and have a legitimate concern for the outcome, then we will support the commitment of others who have the same goals and interest for developing a healthier state of Black America. One team, one dream… Come on yall, let’s support Bill!!
@KDogg
I think you are right about NahNah he/she/it flipped out on me earlier when I was actually agreeing him him.
@KDogg
I think you are right about NahNah he/she/it flipped out on me earlier when I was actually agreeing him him. 5. We do have to start believing in personal responsibilty. No one made you sell drugs. Yes you did have other options. It is not okay to shoot anyone. Hip hop culture is breeding a generation of African American male sociopaths and I think everyone should do everything they can to stop it. Bill Cosby is doing his part.
Oprah spoke up. Now it’s up to us. How many of us will listen to nonsense on the radio. How many of us will worship these criminals and place them as role models. WE HAVE TO DO BETTER!
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well said.
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Yes nahnah I understand that they think the dialect is funny. If you read my comment, you will see that I said the Whites thought that I sounded too Northern while the Blacks thought I was too white. That was a “comparison” in thinking. Blacks thought that I was trying to sound like another race while whites thought I just sounded like a northern Black person…same race.
I actually had some of my Black peers tell me that I must think that I’m white since I was in all of their(white) cl*****es. I was acting white b/c I sat in the front.
Your experience of a black school comes from attending a graduation. My experience is actually from attending the school.
@ KDogg
I’m glad you put those stats up…I have not seen none of these hip hop stars give any of their millions back to the community. If each one would just give 1 million dollars to help various charties sround the world, it would be really great, but most of these “stars” are only cocerned about what time of rims to buy for their new cars or getting the newest Louis Vutton.
What part of SC did you go to school b/c I also went to school in the SC?
Southern dialect is slightly different than Northern dialect. Even though I may have proper speech at work, someone from up North can tell where I’m from b/c of that but ppl that were born in the South refer someone who talks proper of being white or smart depending the environment you were brought up in.
Many people *****ociated proper *****ounciation (I know I spelled that wrong) with being smart or acting a certain way, which is not true.
But back to the subject, many blacks will never stand up to change things. Think about the weak black vote in presidental and local elections, yes we may all talk about the problem and it seems that everyone on this site has some very valid points but the big part of the WE are not on this site debating. The ones that are on here need to spread word to our families and be examples to those around us in order for change to happen
THIS ENTIRE ARGUMENT SHOWS JUST HOW IGNORANT WE ARE AS A PEOPLE. OBVIOUSLY, WHITE IS RIGHT AND UNTIL WE ACT AND TALK LIKE THEM WE DON’T DESERVE TO BE TREATED RIGHT. AND BECAUSE WE HAVE SUCH LOW SELF-ESTEEM WE WON’T FIGHT FOR OUR RIGHTS. WHAT DO WE DO INSTEAD BICKER ABOUT A NELLY VIDEO OR WHAT BILL COSBY SAID, OR WHATEVER BLACK IDIOT THEY GET TO COME ON TV AND RAG ON BLACKS. SO KEEP ON DOING THE WHITE MAN’S JOB. THAT’S RIGHT WE WILL GIVE YOU NO RESPECT UNTIL YOU BECOME A GOOD NEGRO.
P.S. THEY MAYBE WE’LL THROW YOU DUMB *****ES A BONE. MAYBE SOMETIME AFTER THE 2008 ELECTIONS WHEN YOU’RE DONE TALKING ABOUT TIPDRILL AND REALIZE YOU’VE BEEN DUPED
P.S. IF YOU REALLY WANT TO BE LIKE US HERE IS TIP #1. WE DON’T CONCERN OURSELVES WITH MUSIC VIDEO WHEN THERE ARE OTHER MAJOR CONCERNS, IE, 2008 ELECTIONS, WAR, POSSIBLE RECCESSION, ETC
P.S. NEVER MIND THAT, THIS IS TOO MUCH FOR BLACKS, THEY DON’T UNDERSTAND WHAT IT TAKES TO GET THEM OUT THEIR SITUATION. SO JUST STICK TO DISSECTING RAP VIDEOS AND HOW YOU TALK AND DRESS. THIS MAKES OUR JOB VERY EASY. WE DON’T HAVE TO DISCRIMINATE AGAINST YOU BECAUSE YOU ALREADY DO. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! DUM DUMS
@ CubaLinda
Beautiful, simply beautiful. Where I am striving to be.
From Chapter 1:
Is it something about being an African-American male? Aren’t we smart enough? Black Americans fought to open doors of opportunity— and now black immigrants are walking through these doors while too many of us are hanging out on the street corners. There is certainly institutional racism—particularly against black men—but racism doesn’t explain everything. Black men are, in fact, lagging. If it weren’t for the relative success of recent black immigrants in schools and college, the statistics would be even worse.
Enough young black males behave badly at an early age that they set the norm for other black boys. The stereotype of the angry and potentially violent black male can lead to racial profiling by teachers in the early grades. This makes it doubly difficult for those boys who are trying to behave and trying to get ahead to succeed. Soon the kids begin to stereotype themselves. These images lead to low expectations for achievement, which then become a self-fulfilling prophecy. Check the numbers:
• Homicide is the number one cause of death for black men between fifteen and twenty-nine years of age and has been for decades.
• Of the roughly sixteen thousand homicides in this country each year, more than half are committed by black men. A black man is seven times more likely to commit a murder (excluding military actions) than a white man, and six times more likely to be murdered. (Black mothers live with these numbers. We don’t know how they sleep at night.)
• Ninety-four percent of all black people who are murdered are murdered by other black people.
• The life expectancy at birth of black men is sixty-nine years, compared to seventy-five years for white men, eighty for white women, and seventy-six for black women.
• In the past several decades, the suicide rate among young black men has increased more than 100 percent.
• In some cities, black males have high school drop-out rates of more than 50 percent.
• Young black men are twice as likely to be unemployed as white, Hispanic, and Asian men.
• Although black people make up just 12 percent of the general population, they make up nearly 44 percent of the prison population.
• At any given time, as many as one in four of all young black men are in the criminal justice system—in prison or jail, on probation, or on parole.
• By the time they reach their midthirties, six out of ten black high school dropouts have spent time in prison.
• About one-third of the homeless are black men.
This is madness! Back in 1950, there were twice as many white people in prison as black. Today, there are more black people than white in prison.
cubalinda,
i’m not sure if anybody suggested bill to pay for anything, but if someone did, then i missed that one.
Every black person doesnt know the above info. Thats why Bill is talking. He doesnt deny societies(sp) role in this. He just says that we have to do better “in spite of” the system. We have to police ourselves. You cant fix whats broken unless you know what is broken.
@ Delta Diva
I live in Aiken, Sc now but I finished High School in Marlboro County.
@ KDogg
You betta preach. Some of the people on here are so quick to point a finger they forget that each man has control over his own destiny. Fight the system with doing the opposite of what they expect you to do.
I BET MOST OF THE PEOPLE COMMENTING ON HERE THAT AGREE WITH BILL’S STATEMENT HAVE NEVER EVEN BEEN TO COLLEGE. WHY? BECAUSE EDUCATION WILL TELL HOW IGNORANT THESE STATEMENTS ARE AND A TRULY EDUCATED PERSON CAN SEE THROUGH THIS BS. IT’S A FACT THE THE MAJORITY OF THE POPULATION HAS NOT BEEN TO COLLEGE WHERE YOU LEARN TO THINK CRITICALLY, AND FOR BLACKS THIS NUMBER IS EVEN LOWER. THIS MEANS ASKING QUESTIONS WHEN YOU HERE OR READ SOMETHING AND NOT JUST TRUSTING EVERYTHING YOU HEAR. THAT IS WHY SO MUCH NONSENSE COME ON THE NEWS BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE NOT SMART ENOUGH TO ASK QUESTIONS. HEY, IF THE WHITE MAN SAID IT, ITS TRUE. RIGHT????
P.S. WE HAVE DONE MORE TO DISRESPECT OURSELVES AND IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ENTERTAINMENT.
PLEAS GET A FUC*KING BACKBONE
I hope everyone , on both sides of this discussion, ignores the poster that needs to be ignored. You know who I mean.
@DUMB NIGGE*RS You typed “AND FOR BLACKS THIS NUMBER IS EVEN LOWER. THIS MEANS ASKING QUESTIONS WHEN YOU “HERE” OR READ SOMETHING…”
It’s funny that you call other people dumb when you don’t even know the difference b/t here and hear. Please take a minute to spellcheck if you are going to insult people you don’t know. LOL.
@KDogg
I’m sorry. I had to do it. It was too damn funny.
@KDogg
Oh Ok, I’m in the upstate of SC, Greenville.
@ DUMB NIGGE*RS
Your points are also valid, as I stated earlier most blacks don’t even vote even though the polls can be right beside their houses. But the ones that don’t vote or don’t go to city council meetings or don’t go to school board meetings are the main ones to complain about why things are this and that.
A lot of blacks are Lazy plain and simple, they don’t want to get out to promote change b/c maybe something about themselves makes them feel that they don’t deserve or they constantly blame the man for its faults.
@ DUMB NIGGE*RS
Just b/c some people agree with Bill’s statements do not mean that they are not educated. There is a lot of truth to what he is saying even though ppl might not like how he says things. What aboout his statements are nor agreeable?, I’m curious to know
@ And…
I just think back to how my Dad treated me when I was young. He loved me enough not to be my best friend. When I screwed up, he let me know about it. He did not use kid gloves. He wanted me to be a greater man than he was–and he was a great man. He never let me be sorry for myself, and always made sure I knew where I came from. I knew at an early age that I would have to try harder just because I was black. Thats a reality. Yeah, he loved me enough not to be my best friend, and he loved me enough to be my Dad.
I know that I have my parents to thank for where I am in life. Some are not so fortunate to have a solid family life and some that are, squander it and don’t realize it until its to late.
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@KDogg
I’m sorry. I had to do it. It was too damn funny.
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Whether I spell check or not is not going advance us where we need to be. The point is not let anyone degrade you for it. I personally feel that we are going in a better direction with much thanks to the hip-hop community. As a college graduate. I am motivated every day I see a rapper’s success. I say to myself, wow, he came from nothing and made something. So, when I see people attacking something like that I get suspicious at the motivation behind it. I’m not trying to criticize anyone or call names. Dumb in this particular situation is letting other people decide what you should be talking about. And if this is the best topic that we can talk about to better ourselves, then we are doomed as a people anyway.
kdogg,
you still haven’t explained to me what that had to do with some people claiming blacks equate education with whites.
yes, in college, i was accused of wanting to be white because i hung out with my peers who were predominately white. i was in theatre and the majority of the folks who were in theatre were white (or gay), so that’s who i made my friends.
some black people claimed i didn’t like black people, and that’s even when i was a member of the black culture league, caribbean unite, and several other black clubs on campus.
but as i said before this ignorance is NOT EXCLUSIVE TO BLACKS..
- many white people who ahdere to the urban world are teased as being ‘black’ by their white peers.
- i’ve had white people say to me they didn’t like pink (the singer) when she was trying to be black. i’ve had white people say to me justin timberlake think he’s black because he collaborate with black artists.
- i overheard a brother of a white guy i dated call him a “***** lover” for dating black women. he was married to a black woman and did everything ‘black’, and received a lot of flack for that by WHITE PEOPLE, while blacks embraced him for accepting their culture.
- a chinese guy i work with is called a ‘twinkie’ (yellow on the outside, white on the inside )by CHINESE PEOPLE because he dates white women, listens to rock, and talk without an asian accent.
- my oldest brother is married to an indo-guyanese woman, and her daughter got involved and ended up being pregnant by an indian guy(straight from india) and he was forced to leave her because his parents claimed she wasn’t indian enough, although she’s of indian ancestry born in another country. they accused him of being a “sell-out” and gave him a lot of flack to the point where he couldn’t take it anymore.
so, yes, many black people are ignorant that way, but i’m still waiting for the day that at least one person even attempt to provide logic behind the false notion that blacks are being held back because they equate education with whiteness. what pure and utter bull*****. and it’s sad that this myth has been promoted as truth for so damn long. that’s simply a distraction to the real issues.
@ nahnah
KDogg and myself are saying the same thing you are but you are just not reading the posts as they are instead you are trying to fight it. We agree. Education does not equate whiteness but we were stating different experiences when others, who thought it was, attacked or made fun of us for ‘acting or talking white’ as they called it.
bill talked a few years ago and no one listended to him. but if your opinion differ, i ask you to please provide reference for your opinion.
and before bill made that pound cake speach, tons of people have been making similiar speeches, before AND after.
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“You cant fix whats broken unless you know what is broken.”
that is right, and it seems like a lot of you don’t know what’s broken, including bill cosby.
@ nahnah
Okay, I am sincerely trying to understand where you are coming from. What is broken in your opinion?
And…
i think you are the one who aren’tlistening. my point is that black people accusing other blacks of ‘acting white’ IS NOT reason why blacks are lagging behind, so to even bring it up is a waste of time, unless it’s an attempt to justify an argument.
@NAHNAH
I never said it was a reason to why blacks were lagging. My original post was in response to Delta Diva when she said that people use to make fun of her or something like that b/c she was a “nerd” in their eyes. What I wrote was simply my way of empathizing with her on that particular post. I was simply stating that I too have been ostracized b/c of how I spoke, knowing how to *****ounce a word properly, or being in gifted cl*****es. That’s all.
“you still haven’t explained to me what that had to do with some people claiming blacks equate education with whites.”
Because your language can be a barometer of your education. My proper English was deemed to be “white” by Blacks. My being in “smart” cl*****ed was deemed “acting white” by Blacks.
My wanting to do better academically was “acting” white.
In fact all of the Black nerds were considered to be “acting white” by other Blacks.
@KDogg
I understand completely where you are coming from. I hope that nahnah will too. Where do you live if you don’t mind me asking?
“bill talked a few years ago and no one listended to him. but if your opinion differ, i ask you to please provide reference for your opinion.
and before bill made that pound cake speach, tons of people have been making similiar speeches, before AND after.”
1. I listened to Bill
2. My Dad preached to me over and over again. the same old stuff. Glad he finally got through. Good thing he never gave up. He often thought it was falling on deaf ears. It didn’t. I have plenty of material for my sons.
@DUMB NIGGE*RS
I BET MOST OF THE PEOPLE COMMENTING ON HERE THAT AGREE WITH BILL’S STATEMENT HAVE NEVER EVEN BEEN TO COLLEGE. WHY? BECAUSE EDUCATION WILL TELL HOW IGNORANT THESE STATEMENTS ARE AND A TRULY EDUCATED PERSON CAN SEE THROUGH THIS BS. IT’S A FACT THE THE MAJORITY OF THE POPULATION HAS NOT BEEN TO COLLEGE WHERE YOU LEARN TO THINK CRITICALLY, AND FOR BLACKS THIS NUMBER IS EVEN LOWER. THIS MEANS ASKING QUESTIONS WHEN YOU HERE OR READ SOMETHING AND NOT JUST TRUSTING EVERYTHING YOU HEAR. THAT IS WHY SO MUCH NONSENSE COME ON THE NEWS BECAUSE PEOPLE ARE NOT SMART ENOUGH TO ASK QUESTIONS. HEY, IF THE WHITE MAN SAID IT, ITS TRUE. RIGHT????
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Well Don Imus blamed Hip Hop for his ignorance. So it must be true because that’s what sharpton and Harpo said. SMH
Okay, I am sincerely trying to understand where you are coming from. What is broken in your opinion?
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- the black psyche
- the black self esteem
- the black history
- the black family
- the black economic status
- the black self identity
@KDogg
Wow. Your dad is the kinda of man that is hard to find these days. One of the very reasons I sometimes don’t feel that I will ever have that type of union with a man is b/c of the way so many of our black men are. However, I will not lose hope b/c there has to be at least one man out there that not only knows how to make a baby but knows how to raise a child.
Black Family values
Black Pride
Black Personal Responsibilities
Black ability to persevere through life’s obstacles
nahnah
Okay, I am sincerely trying to understand where you are coming from. What is broken in your opinion?
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- the black psyche
- the black self esteem
- the black history
- the black family
- the black economic status
- the black self identity
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I completely agree. That was too easy, what’s your angel.
. kidding. I would however like to add one
-our faith
kdogg, you listened? that’s funny, since you’re a survivor and all. why would you even answer by brining yourself up? i thought cosby was referring to the poor lowly blacks?
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regarding your experience with blacks calling you ‘white’ for wanting an education, i suppose all those blacks were ‘f’ students who later dropped out.
but i will not argue with you since it is your experience, but my experience is different. never was i called ‘white’ for wanting an education, but i was labeled a nerd by both blacks and whites. not to mention a black girl was the valedictorian at a predominately white school.
The truth hurts
Black Family values
Black Pride
Black Personal Responsibilities
Black ability to persevere through life’s obstacles
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yep, and faith.
except racism and poverty are NOT results of personal responsiblity.
@nahnah
Would you mind explaining how poverty is not personal responsiblility. Racism I understand. You can’t help that someone wants to hate you.
@ AND…
They’re out there. You’ll find one. There’s at least two more. My younger brothers arent hitched yet.
My Dad was great. I’m not even close to filling his shoes. I resented him and my mother for moving us to SC. We had finally settled in VA after he retired from the Air Force then “boom”…SC!
They had their reasons for the move. My parents wanted to make a difference in the lives of the rest of our family that was still stuck. My father was a preacher, a school board member, baseball coach, Parks and Recreation commisioner, a counselor, and “father” to many of the kids in the area. I resented him for that as well. He was so active in the community that I felt that I didn’t always get the proper time from him. I didnt always realize that having family dinners together wasn’t the norm. We always ate together. I resented how my cousins called my family…the Cosby’s. I didnt always understand why he was buying uniforms out of his pocket for the entire baseball team while I had to wear Wal-Mart clothes. I didn’t understand why rap wasnt played in his house, or why I had a curfew of 9:30.
I understand all of it now. I’m just glad that he got a chance to see that I got it before he p*****ed.
@nahnah
So youre saying that poverty cannot be the result of a lack of personal responsibility?
He is wrong! It is all the whites faault. Don’t trust whitey. I hate all whites! They can all suck my black *****!
He is wrong! It is all the whites fault. Don’t trust whitey. I hate all whites! They can all suck my black *****!
He has some good points.
However, there are middle and upper cl***** blacks who are lousy parents as well. There are just lots of black people period who need to get their minds right.
nahnah
kdogg, you listened?
The reason I listened is the same reason I sat with a 90 year-old lady for over an hour at my wifes beauty salon. She overheard me and one of the customers discussing Jena 6, and gospel music but we were too loud to notice that she had something to say. I never met this woman in my life but she scolded me for not giving her a chance to speak. She then proceeded to tell me about life in the 20’s, 30’s, 40’s, 50’s, 60’s and on up. I was glued to my seat. She had so much history. Some I had heard before and some I hadn’t.
Either way, I learned a lot from her. I’ve always listened to my elders. I was brought up that way. Obedience was the difficult part.
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@nahnah
Would you mind explaining how poverty is not personal responsiblility. Racism I understand. You can’t help that someone wants to hate you.
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I see you got that covered already. Well, you two hold the fort down. I have to go pick up the kids. Enjoyed it.
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racism is not necessarily hate – it’s simply an artificial tool to divide and conquer.
if we really want to get radical, we can can say that poor and middle cl***** whites are victims as well in a sense where they have been brainwashed to fear superior to non-blacks who they have more in common with than white white elites.
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if your belief is that poverty is a result of personal responsibility, then let’s look at minority groups in america compared to whites.
poverty and racial injustice are deeply intertwined. and racism serves as a distraction that keeps poor blacks and poor whites from uniting.
I am an African American born and raised in Guyana. Americans make too many damn excuses for the problems we have in our community!!! I ABSOLUTELY AGREE 1000000% with Mr. Cosby, he has been speaking the TRUTH from day 1! Screw all of you who don’t “like the way he says it”…THE TRUTH HURTS *****ES…
nahnah
I agree that poverty and racial injustice are intertwined but not limited to that. The preamble to the constitution says we have the right to the pursuit of happiness not the guarentee. Who’s responsibility is it if not our own (our own meaning each individual)? I have experience racial injustice and I have been poor but I am not now and you don’t always have to be. Please elaborate.
the constitution was written by elitist slave masters.
@ nahnah
You didn’t answer my question. And even if they were elistist slave masters that is the law. We have to work with what we have. Those ‘elitist slave masters’ haven’t kept me from succeeding and I’ll bet my paycheck they haven’t kept you from succeeding either. What does that have to do with the personal responsiblity?
nahnah
What makes you think we don’t have leaders and people who are standups for inspiration ? We do. You obviously don’t know of any. The issue lies in the fact that you and people like you are apart of the problem. So busy yelling from the mountain tops about what we don’t have and what we need instead of looking around ( i mean really looking ) and seeing that all the positive blackness is right in front of your face. Shut the hell up and look. All the energy you use on these people could be used on uncovering the real power players of black america. But of course you will deflect this comment because i told you to shut the hell up and look right? Haters make these people famous, lovers make them rich. Try loving your self enough to shut the hell up , and do some navigating to find our real powerplayers. We have more black billionaires then we have ever had. again shut the hell up and look.
@TJ
I’m going to address two things: Oprah and wealthy Blacks.
1. I don’t think Oprah is controlled by White people, but to deny they have a tremendous effect on her image and career doesn’t make sense. She is so wealthy now and invested, that she could lose her show and still makes millions, so it’s not about money. It’s about the fact that there are people ruthless enough, whether they are racist or won’t to keep poor people down (yes, people do this and benefit from it) who are subject to, at the very least, ruin her influence if not more. If she thinks she can publicly, on a CONTINUOUS basis, support a Black agenda that succeeds in its purpose, without MAJOR backlash, it’s not gonna happen.
2. Wealthy Blacks DON’T have to give any money to help poorer Blacks. They can spend the money on *****s, drugs, and tacky, over-done jewelry and clothes, but who do they come running to when they fail: BLACK PEOPLE. Money is a powerful tool. Just by them having it gives them major influence. Just promoting a message can do a lot; look at the music industry! People listen to them, not because of the message (it’s destroying them), but they listen because of the look and materials that their wealth bought them! Can you imagine if just 5 of these people got together and formed a bank that made low interest loans to poorer Blacks, who are often the target of predatory lending? Maybe there would be more homeowners (owning property=power)and businesses, maybe not. I noticed you said “you don’t see wealthy Asians helping poorer Asians”. How do you know for certain? Maybe they keep on the DL. All of the Latin and Hispanics immigrants in my area are opening business, buying and selling;where did they SUDDENLY get the capital to do this? If you think they aren’t helping each other, you are wrong.
Oprah does not own a network . So who cares if she owns the production company that produces the show. Network. Why does she not own her own Network. That is the only way she will be able to control the message. Yes her checks are large because she owns the show. But with out the network the show is nothing.
Again I am not mad at Oprah but I hate when people give more credit where credit is do. Oprah and HARPO productions work for a Network. Simple as that!
Since the white people own the networks that Oprahs shows are played own . she is indeed controlled by white people.
played on not own ..
Once again from this side of the Atlantic, it’s fascinating to see comments expressing such a wide variety of viewpoints.
Franny G, Val, Nah nah, Coi, Boomquisha, Coop and Ray ray I’ve especially enjoyed reading your input, but, all have given me much needed and welcome food for thought!
One thing I’ll say is that a lot of the comments around single parenthood/exclusion of boys from schools/increased levels of incarceration among men and boys/high poverty rates which for decades white media have gleefully highlighted among black people are starting to make some serious inroads into white communities, over here. I don’t think it’s something that society at large was prepared for, being so focused on pointing out what’s seen as being wrong with us to pay sufficient attention to what was Coming To A Future near them…..
What I’m trying to say partly is that the problems that we have, serious as they are and as in need of attention and solutions as they are are not unique to us; they are human challenges that a lot of different countries are now grappling with to varying degrees, and with varying levels of success.
A number of contributors here have highlighted what can be done to increase the opportunities for and among our people, especially the most vulnerable and, it’s been really heartening to see the number of people that’ve taken the time to comment. My little bit will begin with mentoring a child, and, I’ll take it from there. There’s a whole lot more that I need to do, so maybe if each of us can commit to taking that first step and supporting one another in our efforts we can make a positive difference.
Y’all need to listen to me! I told you, don’t trust whitey. All whites are bad!
What eva Deborah . The people who you just praised in your post had some of the most long winded post on this board. A whole bunch of complaining and no doing, unlike yourself.
I LEAVE TO GO AND STUDY AND YOU PEOPLE ARE JUST AS DUMB AS BEFORE I LEFT. THIS MAN DOES NOT MAKE ANY GOOD POINTS. IF HIS POINT IS TO SAY THAT WE SHOULD DO BETTER, THEN HE IS MAKING GOOD POINTS FOR THAT ARGUMENT, AND EVERYONE SHOULD STRIVE DO BETTER REGARDLESS OF RACE. ARE WE THAT LOST THAT WE’RE YT BLAME EACH OTER? QUESTION? WHAT’S THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN RAPPERS DEGRADING BLACKS AND SO CALLED “PROMINENT BLACKS” DEGRADING BLACKS? ANOTHER QUESTION? DOES ANYONE KNOW WHAT SYSTEMIC RACISM IS? AND HOW ARE WE GOING TO FIGHT IT IF WE DON’T UNDERSTAND THE SYSTEM? TRUST ME PULLING OUR PANTS UP, STOP CUSSING. LISTEN TO CL*****ICAL MUSIC, WEARING SUITS, SAYING YES SA AND NO SA, HANGING OFF EVERY WORD THAT YT SAYS, ETC, WILL NOT GET US THERE.
P.S. LEARN HOW TO THINK CRITICALLY AND NOT RESORT TO USING CLICHES BECAUSE IT SOUNDS GOOD. ABSOLUTELY KNOW WHAT YOU’RE SAYING FIRST AND STOP LETTING THESE HOUSE NEGROES TELL YOU HOW TO THINK.
P.S. REMEMBER THESE ARE BUSINESS PEOPLE AND THEY’RE GETTING PAID
Bubba I think its more of dont trust blackey . Blackey is the one with the real issues.
SELF-HATRED IS A *****!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1
@ dumb negros
i agree with ya a lil bit, but dont call them business people call them employees , people use the phrase “business people” too freely .
AND YOU ARE THE ONE WHO HATES YOURSELF THE MOST YOU DUMB NEGRO
coaren from cali, your ignorance does not merit a response from me.
Well actually Oprah owning a syndicated show does mean that she controls her show. The show is not owned by a network which is why it can be on CBS one hour NBC ABC and her own network which she owns OXYGEN. She also owns the Rachael Ray show and The Dr Phil Show.
As for my own education I am a Princeton graduate published author, and *****istant at a major production studio. I have awards for thinking critically thank you. And I think it’s critical that you understand Bill Cosby’s message is valid and considerable even if not comfortable.
Furthermore, I can see how his message may in fact resound with upper crested black elitism, and I’m wondering why he feels the blacks to which his message is aimed will ever hear it. That being said at least he’s doing something. I wonder if the people berating him for doing something are berating Russell Simmons for his part as the face of the most subversively racist institution in American History.
and…
in a utopic society where racism, sexism, and cl*****ism does not exist, let’s preach personal responsibility.
but in a world like this we live in where racism, sexism, and cl*****ism is alive, let’s not pretend as if personal responsibility is all that matters.
i refuse to ignore the social factors that continue to reinforce and contribute to poverty. because by doing so, i’ll be doing a disservice to myself and society as a whole.
please understand that this whole world is poor, not just black people. and if you truly in your heart believe that millions of people are poor because of their lack of personal responsiblity, then i suggest you think harder on this.
let me me name some current situations where personal responsibility does not play a part at all:
- the war and occupation in iraq and afghanistan and the lack of focus on domestic issues caused a lot of people to become unemployed.
- a lot of veterans came home from iraq and had absolutely no job to turn to to. many remain homeless and a lot with mental issues.
- foreclusure is a huge problem in america right now, as a lot of people are losing their homes due to a lack of employment.
- companies outsourcing overseas caused a lot of people to lose their jobs.
- a lot of middle cl***** families are now forced to apply for food stamps.
- a lot of people cannot survive on their weekly checks, and have very little options with it come to employment.
if you want to preach individualism and personal responsiblity, that’s certainly fine, but don’t do it while blaming a mother for the destructive behavior of her 17 years old son. because, as you say, it’s all about personal responsiblity.
you see, from the time that we’re born, we are in need of love, positive influence, support, and the whole nine yards. we all influence each other, so the individualistic viewpoint does not fit human nature to the point where it can be used to justify certain situations.
certainly, personal responsiblity is important, but wholly inefficient if we want to see a group of people rise from their current situations.
with that said, brother cosby and his followers can continue their crusade of personal responsiblity, but i bet everything i own he won’t get too far.
@tj,
it’s not about being uncomfortable. i think black people in general have become too accustomed to hearing our failures that we are ok at accepting the words of an aging comedian.
but, let me ask you…what type of change will mr. cosby’s personal responsiblity crusade bring?
this question is for all of his followers! because i hate when people, especially those with power and influence, talk ***** with no plan. because if you have the power to make a change, either do it, or shut up. but if you swear that he’s making a change, by all means leat me know what those changes are.
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if i must say, russell simmons, bill cosby, oprah winfrey – they are all the same.
oh, and oprah may own the show, but she doesn’t control it.
Nah nah,
Russell Simmons is not the same as Oprah Winfrey.
I think you underestimate the power of the ignorance hip hop music promotes, as well as it’s pervasiveness in contemporary black society.
I certainly agree that there are dire sociological cir*****stances that result in residual effects of a very long lasting period of institutionalized racism. However, I believe we as a people have wallowed in this. At some point a reason becomes an excuse and I think this point has long p*****ed.
Things aren’t perfect, but they are better and we have to constantly search for ways to not only survive but to flourish.
I think his plan, and his subsequent intention is to highlight the disappearance of personal responsibility in our culture in hopes that we will address the problem and reinstate our own cultural dignity. His plan is to start a dialogue. Many people feel that these certain sociological injustices lead to the inferior socio-economic status of American blacks, this is an issue that is being addressed consistently. Lost in that argument is the personal capabilities, and caveats within the racist institution available for one to use in order to cir*****vent the racist white power structure.
I think his statements go far in telling (although probably not convincing) young black people that their lives are not in the hands of white men but in their own. For that I applaud him. If you are wanting to hear another black man complaining about the white man holding us down then there are plenty of alternatives to Bill Cosby.
deborah:
What I’m trying to say partly is that the problems that we have, serious as they are and as in need of attention and solutions as they are are not unique to us; they are human challenges that a lot of different countries are now grappling with to varying degrees, and with varying levels of success.
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the funny thing is whenever we think poor, we think black people, even when there are tens of millions of poor people in america alone.
white poverty is carefully hidden from the public, and purposely so.
Nah nah why are you so skeptical of Oprah’s ownership and control?
I think this goes to Bill Cobsby’s point. People have relied on racism as an excuse and crutch for so long that people find it unfathomable that Oprah owns her show and controls. Not only does she own and control her show she also controls the shows of two very popular white Americans, every show on her network and a magazine. It seems many seem to feel this is impossible because of the big white boogeyman.
I work in television. It is not only possible but true. In fact there are a few black Exective Producers and Studio heads. There are even a few black CEO’s. Ugh slave mentality. SMH!
Why are you so skeptical of Oprah’s ownership and control?
I think this goes to Bill Cobsby’s point. People have relied on racism as an excuse and crutch for so long that people find it unfathomable that Oprah owns her show and controls. Not only does she own and control her show she also controls the shows of two very popular white Americans, every show on her network and a magazine. It seems many seem to feel this is impossible because of the big white boogeyman.
I work in television. It is not only possible but true. In fact there are a few black Exective Producers and Studio heads. There are even a few black CEO’s. Ugh slave mentality. SMH!
if i must say, russell simmons, bill cosby, oprah winfrey – they are all the same.
Throw me in that mix as well. I’m black too.
How can you compare Cosby’s influence in the Black community to Russell Simmon’s/Def Jam?
Def Jam Artists include:
Jay-Z, DMX, Foxy Brown, LL Cool J, Method Man, Redman, Slick Rick, Ja Rule, Ludicris, and Funkmaster Flex, Ghostface Killah, Peedi Peedi ….
Personal Responsibility matters way more than nahnah tries to imply. You cannot succeed in life without it. Taking care of those things/situations that you can and are supposed to control is important no matter your race.
you can have all of the social reform and programs in the world but if people are not personally responsible and accountable for their decisions and actions, they will still fail.
1. (Social programs/reform) – (personal
responsibility) = (failure)
2. (Personal responsibility) – (Social programs/reform) = (varied degrees of success)
3. (Social programs/reform) + (personal responsibility) = (higher degree of success)
Being accountable to yourself. Policing your own situation and household. Setting your own goals. being personally responsible will allow you to stand even when society doesnt expect or want you to.
A few years ago I watched CSPAN’s coverage of Tavis Smiley’s Contract with America program. This program had several “black leaders” discussing point by point the demands that any potential leader of this nation would have to address concerning the black community. Sharpton, Jackson, West and others immediately began their speeches w/the same old tired answers that I’ve read from several posters above. Racism is our problem, the president is our problem,capitalism is our problem etc. Only one man spoke the truth and had the complete attention of the entire congregation. His answer to why are Blacks lacking economically, socially, emotionally was very simple. God is no longer first in our lives. If education were the “key” there would be no PHD’s w/out jobs right now. There would not be people with Bachelor’s and Master’s degrees struggling to maintain a middle cl***** status. Of the people labelled as successes within our community, how many have clearly professed a belief in God? Oh sure, they wear the Cross around their necks and give some glib reference to Him in p*****ing but when have you ever heard Oprah or Bill Cosby or any other wealthy person confess that God is their source? Its not enough to give a list of the 15 things one has to do be a success and not tell people HOW to do it.You have no idea what Oprah(I only mention her because others have in this forum),Bill,Puffy,JayZ or others have compromised to be where they are. How many times have they suppressed their faith to make a dollar? To get that high profile person to *****ociate with them? Money doesnt equate to success. The Bible proclaims there are many wicked who prosper in this time. Education is fine for those God has lead in that direction. I cannot count the nbr of people who have racked up debt in loans for a degree they don’t even use. Is that intelligent? No doubt there are those who irresponsible with their finances and have made poor decisions however there are those who are in need due to no fault of their own. I find it amusing that in order for Mr Cosby to *****ist those persons in lower income brackets, he is charging them to buy his book from which he profits. Its no different than these so called prophets and preachers who tell our people to just sow in their ministry and they will receive a hundred fold return. Wolves in sheep’s clothing. Talk to God first and let Him lead you to a better life. Some people have suggested that what we do is not as important as what we say. Time has proven that is totally false. Your life is read by people. If you are preaching against irresponsibility yet you are an adulterer who denies your own children, your credibility is zip zero. If your credibility is zero, people will reject whatever you have to say. If he wants to truly help the black community I would suggest he respond to the numerous sexual harr*****ment charges he’s faced, express why he denied his child created outside of his marriage and admit that he fell short. I think that would take the sting out of his message. Compromising your own standards while preaching to the choir doesnt work and is why his message is met with so much venom. He claims one can “work” themselves into a better life. You can only “work” so much and w/out God its all in vain.
TJ:
Russell Simmons is not the same as Oprah Winfrey.
I think you underestimate the power of the ignorance hip hop music promotes, as well as it’s pervasiveness in contemporary black society.
And I think your comments are illogical. In fact, it’s similiar to me saying fashion promote eating disorders or Pop music promotes sexual promiscuity in young girls.
You fail to understand the difference between the lyrical content of commercial rap music and rap itself. You have already admitted to rap being influential, so a positive transformation of commercial rap will only influence people in a positive manner.
And…
Oprah = Rich black person making money
Russell Simmons = Rich black person making money.
Apparently, the only difference is that one is a man and the other is a woman.
I certainly agree that there are dire sociological cir*****stances that result in residual effects of a very long lasting period of institutionalized racism. However, I believe we as a people have wallowed in this. At some point a reason becomes an excuse and I think this point has long p*****ed.
Hey, be careful saying 40 million Americans lack personal responsiblity.
Anyway, I’d be lying to you if I told you I knew of a black person who sat around all day blaming “the man” for his/her problems. But, in a broader sense, poverty IS an excuse. While many African Americans are rising above their situations, many are not surviving. And the only way to ensure a higher rate of survivers is to tackle the issues, and only then will the personality responsiblity argument come in handy.
Personal responsiblity is only half of the problem, and until Mr. Cosby accept and acknowledge the factors taht contribute to blacks lagging behind, his movement will be like a call without gas – it ain’t going nowhere!
Seriously, why hop when I’ve got two legs?
TJ
Nah nah why are you so skeptical of Oprah’s ownership and control?
I think this goes to Bill Cobsby’s point. People have relied on racism as an excuse and crutch for so long that people find it unfathomable that Oprah owns her show and controls. Not only does she own and control her show she also controls the shows of two very popular white Americans, every show on her network and a magazine. It seems many seem to feel this is impossible because of the big white boogeyman.
I work in television. It is not only possible but true. In fact there are a few black Exective Producers and Studio heads. There are even a few black CEO’s. Ugh slave mentality. SMH!
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What in the world is wrong with you? You and your racism and cluthes. Oprah owns the damn show, but she does not own ABC or any other station that air her show (although she co-owned Oxygen), therefore she will NEVER have complete control over it. In essense, she is STILL working for others, just as Russel Simmons and P Diddy are still working for others.
Where did that slave mentality and all that other bull***** come from? Stop reading too much into my words, because you are only making a fool of yourself.
@Kdogg
Personal responsiblity = SOME BLACK PEOPLE
Social reform = MOST BLACK PEOPLE
@Kdogg
You have the very ***** mind-set that Cosby is talking about. You name a few rapper and entertainers that Def Jam has produced. Don’t you know ghetto child that Cosby and his wife have given millions of dollars..or let me say it so your ignant ghetto mind can understand, he has been making it rain on thousands of black kids with full scholarships to Black colleges. MILLIONS of dollars fool!!! Get a life and use the rest of your sorry being to learn before you speak. And to the rest of you race betrayers, the truth hurts. Sound like a bunch of w*****s saying that I like the message but I don’t like the way he says it. It is because of your parents that he has to say it loud to your dumb *****es!!!!
POSITIVE SOCIAL ENVIRONMENT = Higher self esteem, Higher confidence level, Higher expectations, Lower Crime Level, Better Education…
NEGATIVE SOCIAL ENVIRONMENT = Lower self ssteem, Lower level of confidence, Lack of Education, Lower expectations, Higher crime level, Inferior education, Self alienation…
Poverty = Self-inflicted = Lack of personal responsibility = BULL*****.
Hmmmm…LET ME SEE!
I see loads of blaming and (YA -KNOW WHAT WE NEED TO DO’S) but we aren’t really looking at the REAL, because the REAL hits us ALL….( yes kiddies..even the “never do wrongs ” on bossip)
WE ARE OUR BROS KEEPER….AND IF WE AREN’T…WE ARE THE PROBLEM…we point the proverbial finger at others…but if you can show a troubled person the right way to go…YOU SHOULD!!
ALSO !
TO FIX THE “BLACK PLIGHT”
ALL U HAVE TO DO IS LOOK TOWARDS AFRICA….
the same problems that Africans suffer,are the same problems in America! (africas continent is SEPARATE)
the dutch,the jews, the french,and germans,bought and claimed our forefathers like they are doing in America……HENCE our problem in America!
Cosby isn’t the problem……..
The problem is our collective unwillingness to be “our bros. keeper”
think
http://www.blackwiz.biz
Tiray:
Cosby isn’t the problem……..
The problem is our collective unwillingness to be “our bros. keeper”
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Well Said!
Nah nah I think I’ve thoroughly explained what syndication means and how Oprah is syndicated and does indeed control her program through her own private production company. She does not work for a network she sales her program to network affiliates. If I sell a candy bar at Wal mart does that mean Wal mart controls my product. No it does not.
If Oprah is being “controlled” then any and every business person man or woman is being controlled. I won’t address the ignorance regarding her gender and ethnicity. Equalizing two people by two random and very visceral characteristics is just plain dumb. What ever happened to content of character?
Also if you said the fashion industry promoted eating disorders and pop music promotes promiscuity you would actually be right dumb*****.
TJ,
If a candy or any other product doesn’t sell well, Walmart will not carry it, therefore Walmart and other stores indirectly control manufacturers.
And I don’t know Simmons and Winfrey personally, therefore I cannot comment on their ‘content and character’. But based on what’s presented to me, they’re rich and they donate to charity – big *****ing whoop!
And you’re slow, since you don’t know how to differentiate fashion from content. Models with healthy looks will not promote eating disorders.
Oh, and your mama’s a dumb *****.
Good Night.
I agree with Bill Cosby completely. Say what you want, but if you dissect it he is right. Blacks face enough racism and cruelty on a day to day basis. By not getting educated, using drugs, going to jail and just screwing up in general we give them more reason to justify messing us over. At some point, blacks have to stand up and have enough pride, discipline, and work ethic to restore respectability to our race. I hate it when black people disrespect Oprah and Bill becuase these are two smart, well educated powerful black people who clearly care about their race. Do you think someone like 50 cent or Puffy cares—they are selling us out and making a fortune doing it. They promote ignorance and coonery to make a buck. I love it when they speak out on the ignorance and laziness that exists in our race because they tell the truth. We put value in the wrong things such as drugs, pimpin’, doing bids in jail (for credibility), and just ignorant things in general. When you really think about it these are the same things that have us in the shape we are in now. Its drilled in with rap music. Rappers can say what they want about the parents raising the kids, but at the end of the day rappers have a big influence on the young–especially kids who don’t have stability anyway. We have to stop making rappers our leaders and idols and start looking up to people with education and real values.
@MC
It’s funny that you mention God in your last post. I take it that you are a God fearing person. Do you go to church? I see you are saying that Mr. Cosby should not bring the truth to the Black m*****es because of his so-called sins. But while you can bring his sins up(and by the way I never heard Mr. Cosby profess to be a man of God), watch your local Pastor who is sucking the life(money) out of the Black community from the people who can least afford it. Misguided soul, no black celeb has given 1/10th of the money to black kids for education for college that Mr. Cosby and his wife have donated. Millions. Plural. That is called putting your money where your mouth is. You listen to celebs any other time but when a clear thinking person who is not lying to you tells you to get your ***** in gear, do right, take care of your kids, get a job, obey the law, honor your woman and read a god-damn book from time to time, suddenly it’s a problem. Go ask your Pastor/pimp for money for you or your kid to go to college and see what you get. He’ll tell you to go to hell, I got mine sucker!!!
You Negroes make me laugh!
#1 Who cares what mistakes Bill made in his life, he is right! Use Ebonics at at home, train your kids to speak proper English!!
Why, because that is the language you need to succeed. People in friggin Bangladesh are trying to learn English to advance, why are Black Americans still sounding like Kunta Kinte’s cousins?
#2 People talking about Oprah should own her own network… You people sound like 5 year olds. One person doesn’t own a network. Maybe she want to own it with other blacks, but she hasn’t found the right investors.
Why whine about Oprah? Go out and make your own.
STOP WASTING YOUR LIVES AND WHINING ABOUT *****!
I WAS GENERALIZING… NOT ALL OF US SPEAK LIKE WE FROM THE GHETTO..
COME ON PEOPLE. WE CAN DO SO MUCH BETTER!
May I offer this. People need alternatives not more criticism. That is my problem with Mr. Cosby, too much preaching and not enough action. Tyler Perry and The Rock currently have the number 1 and 2 movies in America. My recently brought home a book from her English cl*****, it was written by a black woman Maya Angelo. We know how many blacks are in jail, can anyone tell me how many black millionaires are there in America?
We know about the single mothers. Can anyone tell me the % growth of black families from 1960 to today.
We know how blacks are in proverty. Can anyone tell me about black middle cl***** growth from 1960 to today?
Every group has problems. However, if you harp on them to the exclusion of success and not study why something is working rather than the few failures then you’re bound to be chained to your past.
I have not heard anyone under 50 use the word victimization in describing blacks. In fact I will argue that has been part of the hip hop appeal; blacks becomeing successful by putting their culture and ideas in the market.
I argue we are past Mr. Cosby and more in the Tyler Perrys, the Ms. Winfreys and thousands of other blacks who Mr. Cosby seems to have ignore, but who go to school, find jobs and contribute positively to America.
@Trini
Who uses Ebonics?
As a businessman who volunteers in schools I can tell you that Ebonics is a slang dialog no different than Southern Slang, or West Coast cool, or Spanish. I see a bigger problem with Hispanics refusing to learn English than black kids who use a slang that they grow out of after cl*****room expectations are met.
I personally feel that the Ebonics argument is regional and way overblown. Now I do see poor English use among all Teens; poor kids who have not been taught better and well to do kids trying to be street.
I have yet to see a book written by any woman claiming to have said to have slept with Dr King. Cause gay ***** J Edgar Hoover say it dumb *****es automatically believe!
I’m confused. I listened to Mr. Cosby’s video clip on Concrete Loop, and he seems to contradict himself. He says that most Gangsta Rap is produced and purchased for white kids who *****ume the swagger of the thugs on the cds. If MOST hardcore rap is encouraged by whites, brought by whites, acted on by whites, then shouldn’t Cosby’s comments be directed not at blacks but anyone who furthers this negative culture? Are we good or bad?
To Nah nah.
The problem with your argument is that OPRAH DOES SALE WELL.
A network affiliate is a station that pays money for regionally exclusive deals to air network programming in prime time.
In the daytime stations air syndicated material some of which has already been taped (Seinfeld) for instance how in the hell do you think they control a show that is already off the air.
Furthermore Oprah is the highest rated syndicated program. Networks have nothing to do with it, and network affiliates simply aire the program they’ve bought from her. Yes they could theoretically drop her but that does not mean they control her product. Just like Habib at the local gas station could stop saling snickers if he wanted that doesn’t mean he can tell snickers how many nuts to put in their product. You are completely ignorant to the process but steady trying to relegate Oprah to a second cl***** business woman status when she is one of the best business women alive and certainly the greatest business woman in entertainment- That my friend is plantation politics.
And as for me being ignorant call me when you get your book deal and Ivy league degree. As for my mother she has been a financial consultant for years you can call her dumb all you want as she drives her Mercedes p***** your bare footed ***** on her way to the bank.
More power to him! People forget Bill Cosby was as poor as it gets, and he is an American icon now. I am sure he has little patience for people who blame the system because he made it. And not with affirmative action and handouts. We often forget that fat Albert was based of the poverty of HIS life. No matter whether people feel he is right or wrong he has earned the right to say these things. He is a perfect example of streets-to-success.
LOVE HIM!
if u’re upset – it’s because you’re probably guilty of it.
remember, he’s an elder straight from richard allen projects in north philly – he has the right to school the young and dumb. pick up your lips.
Hey Na Na:
I too have been accused of acting “white” by black folks because of the way I talked.
FYI~~ Bill will be on Oprah tomorrow {Wednesday} tune in…
I agree with what Bill Cosby is trying portray. It truly hurts him as an African American who spent most of his life achieving and accomplishing such astonishing endeavors. He is a man that comes from a generation where men and women of color fought to get us to the positions where Barack Obama are today.
Though, Obama is not in the majority of the African American males who strive not to do anything in their everyday lives. You have young men who feel as though to be a man is to “father” children that he knows he cannot financially take of, young men that feel the need to wander the streets at night with illegal substances in their possession to make a profit and young men that instill the morals that going to jail is good because it gives you street credibility. Where has our generation come to? I feel sorry for our young brothers and sisters because they don’t have the balance of good parenting.
You have girls growing up without their father and end up wanting love from men who dont have anything going for themselves except trips to the clinic as well you have boys who grew up without their father and taking on manhood responsibilites at a very young age. Another side of life is where the father is there but he doesnt know how to raise his kids because he continues the cycle of the stereotypical black male.
Bill Cosby needs to realize that the world cannot change in one day especially when everything around has become so much more influential. Hip Hop is at a stage where its bigger than its ever been, but the problem lies in lyrical content along with the messages that are sent out to the youth. You have the south where “black english” is still valued. That is part of their culture, no matter how educated some southerners can be, in their environment they grew up around their ancestors who talked the exact same way. Same example goes for people in the north, west, and east. Unless there is a genocide where elimination of speech will then occur, people will always talk a certain way.
African Americans as a whole must really do revisions of our lives so we don’t continue the paths that some of us are already taken. We need to understand that everything around us that is influential isn’t always postive and that we do not need to take upon those lifestyles. We can change for the better but everyone has to see the light and make those differences come about.
I UNDERSTAND WHERE HES COMING FROM BUT HE NEEDS TO CHECK HIMSELF AT THE SAME TIME ..HE WENT OFF THE DEEP END TALKING ABOUT 500$ SNEAKERS AND CLOTHES WHEN WE BLACK FOLKS ARE THE ONES WHO HELPED HI TO GET WHERE HE IS TODAY… WHITE PEOPLE DIDNT WATCH THE “COSBY SHOW” OR A DIFFERENT WORLD OR ANY OTHER PROGRAM HE WAS EVER INVOLVED IN..HE SHOOULD OWN UP TO WHAT HES DONE PAST AND PRESENT..WHERE WAS HIS “MORALS” WHEN HE WAS CHEATING ON HIS WIFE WITH WHITE PROSTITUTES WITH “LEGAL” HO-CARDS,IN NEVADA HO-ING IS LEGAL!!!!!!!!!! ALL HE DID WAS CHEAST AND WE ALL KNOW HE FATHERED THAT GIRL FROM YEARS AGO IN THE 90′S, HE WAS A SNEAKY *****.. HIS WIFE IS AN EDUCATED BEAUTIFUL BLACK WOMAN HE GRADUATED TOP OF HER CL***** ,PLUS I COULD ONLY IMAGINE HOW HIS WIFE LOOKED IN HER 20″S AND 30″S BEING SHE STILL BEAUTIFUL TILL THIS DAY.. HE WAS ABLE TO SEND HIS CHILDREN TO PRIVATE SCHOOLS WITH THE MONEY HE MADE FROM BLACK PEOPLE SUPPORTING HIM NOT WHITE AMERICA… WHEN HE PERFORMED AT THE APOLLO AND OTHER VENUES THE AUDIENCE WAS FILLED WITH BLACK PEOPLE , IM SURE HIS CHILDREN DIDNT WEAR CHEAP CLOTHING OR CHEAP SHOES BUT HE SAYS WE SPEND TOO MUCH MONEY ON CLOTHES,HIS KIDS HAVE TRAVELED ALL OVER THE WORLD FROM ALL THE MONEY HE’S MADE FROM THE BLACK COMMUNITY.. HE LIVES ON 70 SOMETHING STREET ON PARK AVE!!!!!!!! WHO THE HELL HE THINKS HELPED HIM LIVE THERE? BLACK PEOPLE!!!!! HE TALKS ALOT OF CRAP!!!!!!!!!! YES SOME HIP-HOP MUSIC IS VERY DISRESPECTFUL BUT NOT ALL , AND AS FAR AS SCANTILY DRESSED WOMAN GO ,THESE ARE THE SAME WOMAN HE CHEATED ON HIS WIFE WITH ,PERFERABLY WHITE HALF-NAKED WOMAN. AND AS FAR AS EDUCATED GOES HE DROPPED OUT OF HIGH SCHOOL HIMSELF, HE WENT INTO JOB CORP AND RECIEVED HIS GED AND THEN WENT ON TO COLLEGE SO WHY DIDNT HE THINK OF MORE OF HIMSELF AND GRADUATE HIGH SCHOOL? HE DOGS HIS PEOPLE AND THATS WHERE HE LOSES ME, HE SHOULD TALK ABOUT WHAT IS HURTING US BLACK FOLKS AND OFFER SOME SOLUTIONS TO REPAIRING THE HURT AND LOST-LOVE BETWEEN US, AND HOW CAN WE GET THE LOVE BACK AND HOW WE CAN START TO HEAL FROM ALL THE TURMOIL IN THE COMMUNITY .POLICE BRUTALITY, AIDS, MORE RESPONSIBLE PARENTING BETWEEN BLACK MEN /WOMEN AND UNEMPLOYMENT RATE DROPPING IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY. HE SHOULD COME BACK TO THE NEIGHBORHOOD AND TALK TO THE CHILDREN ABOUT LOVING THEMSELVES AND STAYING IN SCHOOL AND OTHER POSITIVE THINGS LIKE THAT ,BUT DONT DOG OUT YOUR OWN PEOPLE TO GET A POINT ACROSS OR OUR CHOICE OF MUSIC AND ENTERTAINMENT ,HE DOESNT UNDRESTAND OUR MUSIC OF TODAY BUT THEY HAD SEXUALLY CHARGED ARTIST IN HIS DAY TALKING ABOUT THE SAME THING WE NOW TALK ABOUT ,THEY JUST DID IT IN A DIFFERENT WAY.. HE WASNT THIS STRAIGHT LACED MAN HES TRYING TO PRETEND HE IS.. TILL THIS DAY WOMAN ARE COMING FORWARD SAYING HE CANT KEEP HIS HANDS TO HIMSELF AND ANOTHER WOMAN IS SAYING HE GAVE HER HERPES!!!!! AND WITH HIS TRACK RECORD I BELIEVE THESE WOMAN… HE SHOLUD’VE HAD THIS SAME TALK WITH HIS OWN SON MAYBE HE WOULD BE ALIVE TODAY!!!!!!!!!!! HE LOST HIS LIFE GOING TO SEE SOME TIRED ***** OLD WHITE WOMAN AT 4:00 IN THE MORNINGWHEN HE SHOULDVE KEPT HIS ***** HOME IN BED WHERE HE WAS AND IF HE HAD HE WOULDVE NEVER BEEN KILLED, BILL COSBY GOES ABOUT ADRESSING ISSUES IN THE BLACK COMMUNITY THE WRONG WAY, THERES AWHOLE LOT OF THINGS HAPPENING IN THE WHITE COMMUNITY BUT HE DOWNS PLAYS IT BUT TRIES TO ACT LIKE WHERE THE REASON FOR WHITE KIDS ACTING THE WAY THEY DO, WHERE IS HIS COMP*****ION FOR JENA 6? I HAVENT HEARD HIM SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THAT, OR ABOUT ALOT OF THINGS THATS HAPPENING WITH BLACK YOUTH LIKE POLICE KILLING YOUNG BLACK MEN IN THE STREET LIKE DOGS- SEAN BELL ETC, WHY ISNT HE TELLING BLACK TO BE THE TRUE KINGS THEY ARE AND START LOVING AND TAKING CARE OF US LIKE THEY USE TOO, AND THE SAME FOR THE TRUE BLACK QUEENS WE ARE, START BEING THERE FOR THERE CHILDREN AND STAY AROUND AND HELP RAISE THERE KIDS SO “FATHERS DAY” CAN BE BECOME JUST AS IMPORTANT AS “MOTHER’S DAY” IN THE COMMUNITY INSTEAD OF BLACK MOTHERS BEING BOTH MOMMY/DADDY, 365 DAYS A YEAR IS WHEN WE SHOULD CELEBRATE THE MEN WHO ARE FATHERS THATS A DAY WE NEED TO CELEBRATE “FATHERS” AKA “MEN” FOR DOING RIGHT BY THERE KIDS , PROVIDER, AMONG OTHER THINGS THAT WILL HELP US, HE ALWAYS DOGS US OUT THATS WHY SO MANY PEOPLE ARE TURNED OFF BY HIM.. MUSIC ISNT CORRUPTING KIDS ,ITS THE PARENT S WHO NEED TO RAISE THERE CHILDREN NOT ARTIST OR ACTORS/ACTRESSES WHO GET BLAMED FOR THE THINGS THESE KIDS DO NOWADAYS.. A PARENT IS SUPPOSE TO INSTILL MORALS AND VALUES IN THERE CHILDREN, DONT USE MUSIC AS A SCAPEGOAT FOR FAILING TO DO A PROPER JOB OF TAKING RESPONSIBILTY OF YOUR KIDS… I AGREE WITH A LOT OF WHAT HE HAS TO SAY BUT HE NEEDS TO CHANGE HIS FUNKY SELF-RIGHTEOUS CONDESENDING ATTITUDE HE HAS WHEN TRYING TO DICUSS “OUR” PROBLEMS HE FEELS WE HAVE…
I know a ton of white people who have watched the cosby show and some of his other shows so yeah don’t go treating yourself like you are all that matters I am not racist and I do not like racist people either I admit I have not kept up with all the stuff that is going on in this country but I do agree with much what Mr. Cosby has to say after reading this blog page or whatever it is I think I will look into more on the situation and read Mr. Cosbys’ book. Please do not fight what stupid white racist people do with opposing racisim from the black community it will not solve anything if we continue in a racist circle. I pray that everything will be resloved by the time my children are have their own in a peaceful matter.