Thursday, October 18th, 2007
Is Bill Cosby An Uncle Tom?????
Posted by Bossip Staff
Bill Cosby recently hit up Oprah and discussed his speech in 2004 where he attacked Black parents for buying kids $500 pair of shoes vs. investing in education.
Multi-millionaire Bill Cosby should use all that time he spends talking and find some creative solutions for “ignorance” and poverty.
We are not the only one who thinks Bill Cosby is “out of touch”.
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how is that uncle tomish?
The problem that “us” african americans are having with Bill Cosby is that……”WE CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!”
I concur with Sparkle and I ask the same question as redink
I don’t understand why that comment would make him an Uncle Tom, when parents should be called out for investing more in their children’s appearance than their future. Parents should teach their children to make money and not waste it on items that will be replaced by the newest, hottest trend. Thats why you have people living with their mothers, not paying for child support but have brand new rims and fronts. The right values are not being instilled. I do think this is more of an economic issue than a race issue. I believe people in certain economic brackets, who live in specific demographic areas have this ghetto fabulous outlook on life, that doesn’t go beyond nice clothes, cars and jewelry.
Bill Cosby is valid in his observations. You can say what you want but I have worked nine years as an educator in the public school system and it is a disgrace the way we (Black/African-American)devalued education. Its exhausting when I have two poor children in my cl*****, one black and one white, and the black parent never shows up for anything but more often than not the white parent does. Sadly, it is most often the black child who speaks incorrect english and curses constantly. We have to wake up and stop blaming everyone and take a good look at our behavior. I am saddened daily by what I see in the school. But we continue to be mad a Cosby for airing our dirty laundry. We need to mad at many of our Black parents for creating the mess.
I agree with everyone above. When will we start learning? I don’t have kids but even when I say something along these same lines to folks a year or 2 younger or older than me, all I get is “flack” for “acting like I forgot where I came from”.
yea i agree a lot of black parents do that..but lets not speak for all. i wont say “we” more like “they” because the way i and everyone around me was raised was completely opposite, BUT it still needed to be called to attention and the only people who get mad are the ones who do it!
WTF, Bossip? “Uncle Tom” – what kind of internalized racist mess is this? Black people need to stop labeling more well-to-do folks with that term. Just because you have concern about the state of Black america and choose to voice that concern does not make you some sort of bootlicking white apologist.
JESUS.
True Dat Sparkle….I feel ya…Bill is just speaking the truth….They got kids out there pop lock and droping it but don’t know their ABC
Why would you call Bill Cosby an Uncle Tom? because he criticize us? Would you prefer instead he advocate pushing drugs because that seems the only acceptable message in our community
Bossip please change the title
I have learnt a lot more on how the world works by reading “The Shock Doctrine” by Naomi Klein; than any thing or observations that Mr Cosby will make about poor blacks and others. I do not know where he gets his information because most of the black people I happen to know are hard-working and decent, for I am wee aware that I can choose my friends, etc.
I totally ignore anyone (Mr Cosby) who speaks in general ancedotial terms without empiral evidence.
I am aware that while his views my apply to people, it does not apply to others, and the only reason his bullying ***** is on TV is because he hates black people.
I agree redlink…
WTF Bossip??? Do you even know what the term ‘Uncle Tom’ means? Change the f**cking headline cuz it proves how stupid some of you people are if you keep it up. I saw the whole episode yesterday and Cosby said nothing “uncle tomish.” If you’re going to ask the question – if Cosby is an Uncle Tom, then give an example on why you think he may be one. And if you’re response to this is by saying that Cosby objects to parents who would rather spend $300 on a pair of shoes rather than save that money towards their child’s education, then you people who work at Bossip don’t know sh*t about anything. You people at Bossip throw around words but don’t even know what the hell they even mean.
Calling parents out for buying expensive shoes is not Uncle Tom-ish. This is about values and teaching children what really is important in life – and its not shoes. So Bossip step your game up and read some history books if you really want to know what being an Uncle Tom is all about. Or f**k, google the damn term. The ignorance that is on this website boggles the hell outta me…
Bill cosby is no uncle tom. He just speaks the truth which is what most people don’t want to here!
The truth hurts! He is right! He is not a so called “uncle tom” for his comments. I am so sick of see our youth who can’t read or write, but know all the latest words to some degrading song or wearing the latest shoe/purse/clothes.
Bill has a point, but u have to clean ur own back yard Billy.. stop burning *****es then you speak on the condition of Black people.
the title alone speaks to this issue. i see nothing wrong with what bill cosby said because for too many working cl***** or working poor families, his observations are correct. while i understand why having a $100 pair of basketball shoes makes one feel nice, but if you’re still living in the projects or eatting chips for dinner, something has to change.
Although Bill has valid points, what has he done to correct the problem? I know he gives a lot of money to Morehouse and other colleges, but the problem starts way before a child gets to college. Go to the middle and high schools and start there. Unfortunately, most the parents that need to hear his comments probably don’t make it to the college level.
I agree with everyone… lol at the fact that the first ten comments are about why Bossip chose to title this thread “Is Bill Cosby an Uncle Tom.” If there were actually smart people running this website, then Bossip would’ve ran this topic by saying “Cosby was on Oprah yesterday discussing the problems in the black community. Discuss…” That sounds like a better title than the original one they gave…
I disagree. He should be talking about this *****.
The truth hurts. We absolutely need his voice about these matters. Or someone’s voice.
We are *****ed up and that’s a fact. He may not have all the answers. But there is value in the questions and issues he raises. People want to bash him cuz the truth is ugly. If we dealt with stuff instead of pushing it under the rug, blaming it on whitey, etc. we might be…
Ima get off my soapbox.
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hahaha r u *****ing serious?
*****s cant handle the truth, spend 300 bucks on sneakers and u cant even spell the world ’sneaker’
BOSSIP u jus said bill cosby should find ‘creative’ solutions to stop this….WHAT THE ***** DO U THINK HE’S DOIN RIGHT NOW…thas y hes on the *****ing show 2 begin with….black folks jus wanna stay stupid
I love this site and i check it each morning, but this was really uncalled for. This is how we’re in the state we’re in now. Anytime somebody says we should do better they’re an uncle tom. If we try to study, we’re acting white. If we’re in the corporate world, we’ve sold out. Like Dam come on now. smh.
uncle tom? bossip u are starting to sound like you are part of the problem…next u will be accussing cosby of “acting white”
I saw the program and I agree 100%.
Someone is going to have to point out the “Uncle Tom” act, because what he is saying is true.
We need to step up our game. When it comes down to it, Our children are being affected. Noone elses families are being destroyed at the Max as Ours.
Time to clean our dirty laundry.
BLACK PEOPLE (ME) DON’T BUY 500.00 DOLLAR SNEAKERS
AND WE ALL KNOW THAT BLACK FOLKS HAVE A LOT OF ***** TO DEAL WITH…
WE HEAR IT EVERYDAY, WE LIVE IT EVERYDAY, WE SEE IT EVERYDAY!
BUT, WE DON’T NEED SOME NON – DISCRIPT ***** LIKE BILL *****IN’ COSBY TO TELL US WHAT WE “NEED” TO DO!
FIRST HE NEED TO “CLEAN” HIS OWN HOUSE BEFORE TRYING TO GIVE UNWANTED ADVICE!
Bossip is somwhat correct in their definition of Cosby. It’s economics plain and simple, instead of attacking the cause, Cosby attacks the syptoms. A leading black Economics professor at either Princeton or Yale (not sure which one) made this valid point:
“Our so-called financial bad-behavior in the black community is just as apparent in the white community,but not as publicized. As a result of a lack of generational wealth,and with the gap getting wider all the time, we in the black community will always be playing catch-up. Whites still make more than us in comparable professions.”
I’m not trying to p***** blame, financial education is a must, but the economic structure of this country where blacks are concerned needs to be exposed for the travesty that it is. For example, all the so-called black taxes that we pay for cars,credit cards home loans etc. Before I left banking, WAMU and other banks gave above prime mortgage rates to blacks with comparable credit to whites that got the prime rate. Let Cosby talk about that.
I agree with and reiterate what other posters have said; that being Bossip’s choice for the post title.
Whose side are you on, anyway?
Mr. Cosby is not a Uncle Tom he is trying to help our people out. OPEN YOUR EYES PEOPLE!
Whoever posted this is lame. Did you even listen to the speech or the clip for Oprah where he does come up with some solutions for “ignorance” etc??
READ A BOOK READ A BOOK READ A MAH*****IN BOOK!
IS BILL COSBY AN UNCLE TOM?
SHAME ON BOSSIP FOR PROMOTING IGNORANCE.
GIVE BILL COSBY A BREAK HE IS SPEAKING THE TRUTH. WE AS BLACK PEOPLE ARE DOING A LOT OF THINGS WRONG AND THE SOONER WE REALIZE IT THE BETTER OFF WE WILL BE
BTW………
CHANGE THAT STUPID HEADLINE.
First of all for yall that dont know Bill Cosby had 2 daughters that were addicted to crack as teenagers. Was this a product of this parenting, NO. Im telling you you have crack head parents that have children to become excellent adults, then you have married parents mother and father with f’d up kids. So I think it is so closed minded of Bill Cosby to try to call people out like this. Them being In addition Mr Cosby has had multiple affairs on this wife Camille. Personally I have little respect for both Oprah and Bill Cosby because for the both of them they have a lot of money and power as blacks in the spotlight and they have not addressed the Jena 6, which to me is the most important issue in the world right now.
Bill Cosby is in no position to judge anyone. What was his then 3-year-old daughter doing shouting out: “Come on people!!” (according to him, this is where the book’s title comes from). Sounds like bad parenting to me!!
What was Cosby’s son doing with that 50-year-old Russian prostitute the night he was shot by her Russian boyfriend?
What was Cosby’s daughter doing on drugs?
Why is it that 15 plus women have come forward with sexual harr*****ment suits aimed at Cosby?
The man is a damned hypocrite. I’ve met PLENTY of trifling white folks in my lifetime, by the way. He’s trying to sell a damned book!! Nothing more.
OBVIOUSLY YOU MADE THAT COMMENT TO GET A REACTION OUT OF PEOPLE, THANKFULLY EVERY ONE IS ON THE SAME PAGE. BUT FOR SOME I GUESS IGNORANCE IS BLISS.
Did the staff of Bossip view this whole tape before that dubious comment? I don’t think they did.
@ VanGogh
You are exactly what Bill Cosby is talking about. Did you proof read your post before you posted it on the page? My God!! Bill Cosby is not an Uncle Tom. The people that are angry about what his saying are more likely guilty of the negatives that go on in the black community. My daughter is five years old and can write her name in print and in cursive and she can also read. The reason being is that my husband and I read to her every night and we control the TV in my house. She has no TV in her bedroom. The problem in our community is that we think it’s the schools responsibility to teach our children and when they are home we let the TV be their parent. Once we as a people realize that we can show our children that they can be anything they want to be and to stop always telling them that the white man got their boot on their neck our children can be very successful in life.
u know what bossip? i think i’m done with your blog… the ignorance of this thread’s title speaks volumes on what is WRONG with us as a people…bye
Bossip’s choice of title for this post is trully ignorant…
And let me add, Cosby is a HO! One of my former professors worked with him at the Electric Circus, for those of you who can remember that far back, it had something to do with Sesame Street.
Anyways, apparently Bill was a ***** to the staff and one day he invited a cutie back to his dressing room, and his mike was still on, (he was married by the way). As he proceeded to get blown, everyone on the set got an earfull…that’s what u get for being a *****, ur spot get’s BLOWN!!!
I really wouldn’t say Uncle Tom, however I will say, “STOP RUNNING YOUR MOUTH WITHOUT OFFERING AND SOLUTIONS TO THE PROBLEMS YOU SO SPEAK ON!”…. He hasn’t done so well with his own kids. Had to take paternity tests for other possible kids. Is well known for being fornicating.
When living in a gl***** house, don’t throw no stones.
Get your own family in order first!!!!
The craziest thing of all is that the very group of people he’s attacking are the first to come to his defense. This leads me to believe that we really are as F###ED up as he’s saying. White folks are perfect angels though – aren’t they???
How is he an Uncle Tom for telling people to take care of their children, make sure they learn to read and write, and to prepare them while they are young for a future in this increasingly technological world. But I guess you folks at Bossip with your low expectations of Black Folks would be offended if someone told you to stop acting like morons, fools and the laughingstocks of the world. I sent my three kids to Kumon for extra tutoring in math and I tried to get my friends to follow suit, but they looked at me like I was a fool for even suggesting it. Claim they were too poor to afford it and yet they bought their kids Rockawear clothes, designer sneakers and expensive rims for their cars that look better than mine and I work 50 to 60 hours a week to make sure that my children recieve a leg up educationally in the world. Every race in this world is gonna p***** us by if we keep this up and continue to believe that stupidity is a virtue. *****ody who tells you something that is for your own good is a traitor, even if you don’t want to hear it.
Bill Cosby is not an Uncle Tom! He is speaking the truth. All these urban kids strive to be nowadays are rappers or Athletes…focused more on money than a good solid education.
I agree with Bill. Take care of your kids and keep them OUT OF JAIL. There are jails being built for our children. I am a mother of two and could never be offended by someone suggesting that parents be responsible for thier children.
Now I agree what’s going on in Jena is important, but M. Bell is sitting in jail right now because of PRIOR convictions. I’m all for being fair and just and do not agree that he should be charged as an adult or charged with attempted murder BUT the fact remains that he has a past. We need to teach our children that you will answerfor your actions and that because you are black you may not get a fair chance so how about this stay your behind OUT OF JAIL!!!!!
Bossip didn’t say he was an uncle tom, they asked a question so people can talk.
Can anyone read??? oh yeah, ***** Bill Cosby and middle cl***** negroes
SAMUEL THIS MAN IS NOT OUR SAVIOUR.
IT IS ABUNDANTLY OBVIOUS PARENTING SKILLS IN THE COMMUNITY AS A WHOLE OUR LACKING.
THE ROAD TO REPAIR IS PAVED IN TRUTH.
SO KILL THE NEGATIVE COMMENTS ABOUT HIS CHILDREN AND BECOME MORE POSITIVE YOUR SELF.
@ Shirley
Believe me – an EDUCATED black person would say that while that w***** has some valid points, all of these “statistics” can be directly linked to WHITE racism. Further, what makes you think white folks aren’t out here doing the same thing? The only difference is, they control the media and can show themselves in a more favorable light. I can tell you’re a poor, ignorant person – simply based on your defense of this buffoon.
I agree with bill, why not invest for thr future. Unless in like my case you already have your kids school taken care of.
What do you expect from Bossip? A blog that praises brain dead rappers and glorify thug culture, so that now we make up more than half of the convicts in prisons in a country with over 300 million people. Bossip you are truly pathetic and filled with self-hate against Black people because you think we are not capable of suceeding.
Khari
“The craziest thing of all is that the very group of people he’s attacking are the first to come to his defense. This leads me to believe that we really are as F###ED up as he’s saying. White folks are perfect angels though – aren’t they???”
Don’t you understand this has nothing to do with white ppl. That’s the point. We’re talking about black issues. It has nothing to do with white people that we’re killing each other in the streets. It has nothing to do with white people that we’re not teaching our kids morals, the value of money, and so on. It’s not a white versus black thing. He’s talking about what we should be doing for ourselves. No one said anything about whites being angels. We keep focusing on what white ppl are doing to us that we lose sight of the things we’re doing to ourselves.
dear bossip staff!
your ignorance has been exposed
are u guys with the kkk?
M. Bell’s incarcerarion is from a previous infraction, however that judge knew that he had a prior infraction as well as being on probation before this case received media publicity, but because it had it seems as though the judge and pros. deliberated and said ha, ha we got them not. In addition two other members of the Jena 6 are now in custody. I not saying that parents shouldn’t be responsible for their children. You can teach your child, mold them, give them guidence to the best of your ability, then when they turn their backs they get into all kinds of sh*t. Im guilty of it as well as other people ont his post. Lets be real.
For starters … we have a history folks.
On top of that, A person of his statue should be doing more and talking less. Since he was out the ghetto before post-civil rights and the crack era, he’s wayyyy out the loop. Doesnt have a chance to relate. He can only stand on the other end and point the finger …. tsk tsk . I know the morons that support this nut want change… but when you point your finger there’s four more coming back atcha!
So get ya mind right!!
Just quit Bossip. When it comes to important news like the state of Black America, etc., you should quietly step aside and continue to focus on celebrities and the dumb s*&% they do. Black people need to get their priorities straight and stop making excuses for their current condition while doing very little to change it. No one is denying the existence of categorical or systematic racism and it’s stifling psychological effects. However, at some point, WE have to take responsibility for perpetuating some of the same ignorance within our communities. Bill Cosby has a point. Some of these dumb a** parents would rather buy their children expensive depreciable items like sneakers, before investing in a tutor or some aspect of their child’s education. Big up to Shirley, Jane Doe, Apple, Whatt, Tash and others for being brave enough to speak out! Stop the dumb s*&%!
I truly do not agree with generalizing. We are the only race on the planet to be generalized for EVERTHING!
BILL COSBY SAID TO MUCH TOO LATE. He wasn’t saying anything when his popularity was at its highest-didn’t want anything to cut into his money. he has a kid out of wedlock, started EBONICS, and dosent address key issues in the black community…
All I’m saying is BILLS DUM ***** GOT CAUGHT WITH THAT DUM LINE -JUST SAY NO,The honkys pitched us that bull***** and we swung at it. we should’ve been asking where, why and how did drug get to our community ? WHITE MAN\Gov. plegue our Hoods w/ drugs they want us to sell so they can lock us up- hell the don’t want no blacks on the workforce with them. – and they say blacks are lazy for not working but in reality most just dont like white folks -get a job and that who you will be pushing for whitey…
***** BOSSIP…THIS TITLE TOPIC IS REALLY SOME IGNORANT *****
BROTHAS AND SISTAS WE NEED TO MOVE ON
You know what. This is hilarious. The man has messed up in his life. Is that a reason to discredit what he was saying? The truth is the truth no matter where it is coming from. I mean the statistics point to the fact there is something wrong in our community. What he was saying about brown vs. b.o.e was correct. These people fought to give us the rights we have today and we disrespect them by not valuing their sacrifices and struggles. Let me ask you, what side of the argument do you think MLK or Malcolm X would be on in this debate?
@ diplomatic
It is clear to me that you do not know your history. I’m leaving now. I’ll just sit back and allow you all to kiss Cosby’s ***** while he disregards everything positive we have accomplished as a people. Just bit back and continue to let your “good be evil spoken of.” It’s too bad that W-H-I-T-E dude killed his son though.
I gotta co-sign some but not all of what you said Van Gough. Bill made some good points, but if he, or one more black intellectual type, puts out one more book about Cosby’s damn speech, I’m gonna run out, and I’m gonna knock off a convenience store, then use the money to buy some $500 sneakers and some crack rocks.
Also to those people bringing up white people, this isn’t about them. We are fighting for our own lives. Come on. I mean if we can’t agree that we need to fix thi the we might as well give up now
BLACK FOLKS, this ain’t the way to go. I can’t stand how “middle cl***** African Americans” and rich Black folk look down on ghetto America. why they feel like we are embarr*****ing them. Like this is all of our fault and we love being oppresses, ignorant, uneducated and discriminated against.
The thing is ghetto America is a reflection of American culture as a whole. Everything that comes out of the ghetto is a responsible to the whole system. We can’t believe that we are living in a bubble killing ourselves.
Why shouldn’t Black kids want $100 sneakers and iPods? The culture we live in says BUY BUY BUY, what makes you think poor little Black children aren’t going to want that, especially America says it’ll make you feel good, it make you somebody, it’ll make your life better. Oprah herself encourages that on her own show. Both Bill and Oprah are apart of the problem.
It isn’t only Black America that has to change, it’s AMERICA. We can’t sit back and say that all of these statistics are because of Black ignorance, who brings the drugs into our community? Who manufacturers the guns, who promote the lifestyle in media? HUHN?
So I agree that Blacks are the one who are going to have to do something, because America isn’t going to give it to us. Infact America needs us to be at the bottom of the social totem pole, America needs *****s to control the rest of the population. America likes *****s to be *****s so white folks can be scared and look towards the government and corporations to help. So that white America can distiinguish themselves from *****s with bigger cars, bigger houses, fancier clothes. BUY, BUY, BUY. And these people themselves are enslaved, financially, in debt, in depression, popping perscriptive pills and buying self help and diet books. America is *****ed, and Black America is a reflection on that.
“Middle cl***** Black America”, don’t be fooled. You are still a ***** in America. No matter who the ***** you think you are, how much money you have, how beautiful you are you will NEVER be white. We will NEVER own as much land and business, we will NEVER have as many millionaires, politics and people in power. We will NEVER all be rich and live happily ever after. There needs to be the depressed, repressed, oppressed. There needs to be the extremely poor to have the insanely rich. So don’t get it twisted. Every Black person who believe they are coming up in America simply because they have a few white friends, and they have a business in America and they are living the American dream is living a fantasy. All of you are just *****s, another way they help enslave the rest of Black Population.
So Black people, don’t look down at the ghetto, don’t be embarr*****ed in hurt, we are the real, we are the reality, we are the dirt that America sweeps under the rug. We have to realize that in order to overcome we need to over throw AMERICA, and American way of life, which is incredibly possible.
I wish to go on but I know I sound preachy. I can’t stand Oprah and Bill for this, it’s bull*****. It’s the same thing with America blaming hip hop for the wrongs in society, it ain’t us, it’s them and they need to see it and come to terms what is going on with humanity.
You know what, I’ll write more about it in my blog. Check me out if you like.
dat ***** Bill been angry at young blacks every since his son got killed like it was rap and ebonics that got his son killed on the side of the road
its definitely some thing wrong 80% of black men in jail. thats well over half and you tell me thats not a problem. get the heck out of there. bill cosby can go to hell.
YUP!!!!!!!!!!
@ Khari
“Our young girls, our daughters, our baby sisters become unwed mothers before they are hardly out of their teens. Our community has thousands of unmarried mothers [who] have no hope of ever getting a husband. And our community has tens of thousands of little babies who have no father to act as their provider or protector,”
That was a Malcolm X speech. but i guess his just a unlce Tom too uh
i can understand exactly what he is saying. i know several people that loves designer clothes for their kids but they are on section8. i understand that you want your kids to look nice but why try to be ghetto fabulous when you know you really can’t afford it. i have one child and i don’t bother to buy her designer clothes because i’m not trying to go broke keeping up with these ghetto fabulous mothers. she can look nice in clothes that don’t cost a $100 for a pair of pants. i don’t want her thinking when she gets older that she have to have designer clothes to keep up with everyone else, i’m not raising her to be materialistic.
“Um…Yeah, I’ll bet a million dollars you’re white your damned self. Only a white person would say this has nothing to do with white people. Oh, a white person, along with Cosby and fat-*****ed Oprah, that is.
To answer your question, bossip, NO Bill Cosby is not an uncle Tom. WTFF?? The man is making a valid point, and he’s taken the lead on this issue and callin’ parents and kids on their bull*****. I think he sincerely cares, if not him then who? Jesse Jackson? Al Sharpton, Oprah? Don’t get me wrong Oprah is wonderful in her own way, but she’s too caught up helping young ladies in South Africa get ahead. Not that that’s a bad thing, just make sure you take care of home first and please don’t use the excuse, “well all black american kids want are new Nikes and ipods” to justify things. There are plenty of kids out here wanting and waiting for the golden opportunites that Oprah or anyone else with power could provide. Cosby has a Ph.D in Education so I would think he knows what the hell he’s talkin’ about with regards to education being a top priority. I commend him for that and bringing this problem to the light, while being straightforward with the truth. Now let see how many follow his lead.
“Multi-millionaire Bill Cosby should use all that time he spends talking and find some creative solutions for “ignorance” and poverty.”
WTF? Umm… Talking about the issue is a start. You know what, I don’t even wanna get into this. Thank you Bossip, for proving to me that some of you people REALLY are a bunch of idiots. And what *****es me off the most is that stupid headline. Its just so disgraceful, tacky, and ignorant to put it up there like that. Calling Cosby an Uncle Tom for trying to get an important issue across – something that most black parents do on a daily basis in this country. Something so trivial and superficial as wasting $300 on a pair of shoes is something that does need to be talked about cuz it really does say where we place our priorities and it says what really is important to us.
Whats important is not a new pair of shoes or a new set of rims. If most black parents can’t afford health insurance or pay their rent on time or can’t buy their kids a new bookbag, but could afford a $300 pair of shoes for their kid, then maybe we do need to re-evalute the things that really are important in life.
And then yall have the nerve to say that all Cosby does is just “talk” about it? Education is the key idiots. To act as if Cosby has contributed nothing in trying to get this important message across and to make it seem if Cosby hasn’t done anything but “talk,” is disgraceful. Cosby has done more things for the black community than you could ever imagine. Again I advise you to google that ***** if you wanna know some of the things that Cosby has done to try to enlighten the black community.
it all makes sense if you read what this *****el prize winner says.
Read this:
http://news.independent.co.uk/sci_tech/article3067222.ece
BILL ACTS LIKE HE A GENIUS HELL SPELLMAN / CLARK GAVE THAT ***** A DEGREE HE EARNED HIS MONEY LIKE ALL OTHER *****S DO
SHOW YO TEETH *****
CATCH THE BALL *****
RUN ***** RUN
TELL A JOKE *****, TAP DANCE *****
TO SAY THE LEAST BILL COSBY IS A “ENTERTAINING NEGRO” WHO NEED TO STOP SMELLIN HIS OWN [*****]
bill cosby man cause he cant get is Sh*t up so he can go have his 100th affair. as someone posted earlier this has not just started, and he wasn’t saying all of this in the 80’s and early 90’s when his show was hot. Crack was at his worst then. But I forgot he was doing jello pudding.
you know what.. ***** it…RIOT AGAINST DRUG DEALERS. TAKE THE NEIGHBORHOODS BACK. BE WILLING TO DIE TO MAKE THINGS BETTER. THEY DID. WHY CANT WE. DON’T BE PUNKS.
Okay Bill Cosby is an Uncle Tom, but Bill Clinton who has slept with god knows how many white women while married is the honorary first black president. Like I said about the Kendra and Supahead thing. Black peole leave the self hate behind. The
Khari here we go again blaiming the white man for everything. You know what I don’t care about the white man because the Western world is his playground and he will always get away with things that other people won’t. Bill has seen the world and he knows what it takes to succeed in the world. Education builds wealth and wealth builds power! if you continue to sit on your hands and whine then you will always be a poor, self=pitying black man to scared to venture out into this world to make something of yourself. Racism is a fact of life and will always be here, but success is the best revenge. Too many black people are obsess with how white people view them when they should be obsess about how they look at themselves; as victims unfortunately. And once again Khari you result to a juvenile name calling, emotional reaction because you don’t want to hear the truth, you want to hear excuses as to why we continue to fail. You want to look for the outside source rather than the inner reasons why so many of us fail. I work with Black youth everyday and by the time many of them are ten years old they have every excuse in the book to explain away why they can’t and won’t do things. I have had young black men tell me to my face that they won’t even try to compete because the white boy is smarter than they are anyway. You think Chinese boys think that way? East Indians? No, they tell their children that this world does not belong to one race and that if you apply yourself you will be successful in life. But if you whine and do nothing but blame racism for your reasons not to even enter the race then you might as well go home and condemn yourself and children to a lifetime of poverty, excuses and going in and out of jail like it’s a time share property you share with other underachieveing, big on excuses folks like yourself.
What the minority of you (thank god it’s a minority) suggest is that Bill’s not pointing out the excuses for why there are poor blacks. As if pointing out to whitey that the system is unfair will somehow be our answer. White people have washed their hands of us. They have for a while. We, and only we can change our destiny. SO WHO CARES ABOUT WHETHER THE WHITE SYSTEM IS AT FAULT FOR HOW THESE FOOLS GOT IGNORANT?!?
All we should be concerned with is how to get them and their ever-multiplying children “un-ignorant” because again, whitey ain’t going to help, and shouting at him to fix his past wrongs is an old model that stopped worked sometime in the late 70’s.
Bill is right all the institutional “reasons for” and the “cause of” why the black undercl***** is in the state it’s in are just excuses. We can’t wait for institutional remedies, we must take responsibility where we actually have control…OUR HOMES.
So if some hoodrats and people named “tashikqua” get their feelings hurt, GOOD. Shame is one of the best motivators.
And as for those crying “what about poor whites” and “but why isn’t he calling out whites,” get your head out of your *****. Who cares if white are screwing their sisters or going to harvard. It ain’t got ***** to do with how we will ascend.
you guys are acting like some real fyking n
Hi-side, Bill actually earned degrees in education.
He sure didnt mention how he gave that woman herpes either…yes…..bill cosby gave a woman herpes and she is sueing him for it now……
No one likes to hear the truth when it is about them.
How could anyone suggest that the man who has given millions towards the healthcare and education of blacks an Uncle Tom. It’s amazing to me who blacks who haven’t done anything will suggest he’s betrayed blacks.
The book actually does give some solutions BTW.
Channelle.. how is that relavent
Why is this white woman drugging and then fondling rapist even getting the time of day – let alone a seat on Oprah??
Im not saying he doesn’t have very VERY legit points but I mean really.. Is there noone who doesn’t have this perverts history that can make the very VERY legit point???
IM TELLING U I LIVE IN DC, THE NATIONS CAPITOL. DC HAS THE MOST F’D UP SCHOOL SYSTEM IN THE WORLD. HOME OF THE NATION’S CAPITOL. KIDS DONT HAVE TEXTBOOK, THERE ARE BUCKETS CATCHING WATER FROM CEILINGS, NO HEAT, TELL BILL COSBY TO BRING HIS A$$ HERE AND TALK THAT. MIND YOU THIS IS THE NATIONS CAPITOL, AND THESE SCHOOLS HAVE BEEN THIS WAS FOR OVER 25 YEARS. IN ADDITION THEY HAVE CUT MORE THAN 50 AFTER SCHOOL PROGRAMS. IT SEEMS THAT ALL OF THIS CHARITY AND SH*T NEVER MAKES IT TO THE MOST NEEDED CITIES.
I wonder. Does Bill want black people to be better human beings or like white people?
@ Shell
Bill Clinton is not making degrading black people, while absolving white folks of all blame, his life’s work – Bill Cosby is.
YEA BUT HOW DID HE GET HIS MONEY -COMEDIAN
AND STILL THEY GAVE HIM THE DEGREE (EARN LIKE HELL…)
for everybody whose saying well he cheated on his wife so he’s not qualify to make these points. Well Martin Luther King had affairs also, does that devalue HIS message? should we not celebrate his birthday anymore? forget the messenger and concentrate on the message. we have to start to be more accountable for our success. I don’t see how that is a negative thing to say
Even if people can afford to buy their children $500 shoes they should NOT.
Bill Cosby is right..Wake up Black America.
DAMN
@ Morpheus
I think Bill and Oprah wants us to all to turn white. Then, we’d get an hour on Oprah’s couch for having an out-of-wedlock baby.
STAN… actually my parents are african and I was raised in North Philadelphia. So I’ve seen these problems up front.
Now what exactly is the problem with his remarks? OH…thats right!! I forgot…too many of “our people” would rather blame someone else for problems than actually resolve the problems themselves. “Come on People!!” In the words of Charlie Murphy, “we’ve GOT to do better.”
Quit hatin on billy bill!!! He right and everybody who disagree are the same ones he talking about. I get tired of *****s tripping on paying child support, yet got enough money to get them dubs for the summer, with the candy paint and all that. I know dudes 30+ still living for the streets.
Blacks are the reason why we cant have a store built in the community and have it do good without worrying that shaydog and lil manman might rob the place. We need to stop *****ting on ourselves bottom line.
As for bill cosby-dont hate the messenger, hate the message. He didn’t say one thing that anybody who got a job or a career don’t understand. Its all the broke/ignorant/trapped in the ghetto minded folk who got a problem.
Un…Yeah,
I live in Philly too (Mount Airy). Born to poor black parents who migrated from the south with few opportunities. My daughter will be graduating from college in May. So much for blaming poor blacks, huh!!! Cosby can kiss my *****.
thank you way2real
well there has to be something done regardless of how anybody feels about what Bill said b/c WE KNOW it’s truth in it.
A girl’s mom was killed where I live, stabbed to death in the middle of the street all b/c she was going to see why her daughter was fighting in the street over nothing, and u know who was responsible hot headed 13 yr olds bold enough to attack someone’s mother, for no reason, that girl has no mother anymore, I’d dare even answer the phone out of pocket on someone else’s parents let alone strike one?? crazy..
And who cares about his personal life? that’s not a worldwide community affecting issue, keep the focus on us not dying, and being so seperate as a people not his bedroom, that’s our problem, focusing on the wrong things which takes all your energy and attention from what needs to be really done, and plus I dont wanna know about all lat anyway.
He cheated on his wife 2 many times, and wasa never home 2 consider himself an authority on anything.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=3GVTGNcGNeY
THERE IS NOT A DOGGONE THING WRONG WITH WHAT THIS MAN IS TRYING TO SAY………LISTEN PEOPLE….LISTEN AND LEARN!
jELLO PUDDING POP EATIN M/F…
TELL BILL TO HAVE A *****E AND A SMILE, AND…[FILL IN THE BLANKS]…
I gotta go to lunch yall…peace
stan.. if you live there how can you not see that what he is saying is relavent? Im mean do you drive down broad st?
HI Bossip! back in mix! (crickets..no one cares)
whatever yall!!
It’s a shame that so much of the young black community thinks that to be considered “authentically black” you can’t speak proper english and do well in school. Most young black people are completely obsessed with swagger.
Sparkle
The problem that “us” african americans are having with Bill Cosby is that……”WE CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!”
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Simple and true. There isn’t one person on here who can say that black folks are not lagging. People are complaining about how Bill said what he said like it changes the meaning. I can say “***** you” 10 different ways but the meaning is still the same. Bill is 100% correct.
As some of the other posts has stated THE TRUTH HRUTS! This man is so right! I watched him on Oprah last night and I agreed with everything he said. He is not a Uncle Tom, he is trying to motivate black folks!
Um…Yeah,
I make it a point to get to all parts of Philly. By the way, Mount Airy is an upper middle cl***** neighborhood – or did Cosby brainwash you concerning that fact as well. Everyone around me has the same set of values – family and education. I’d much rather be around my own people, problems and all, than some bigoted whites. I work in Bryn Mawr, and I’ll tell you – when my car hits Lincoln Drive I breathe this huge sigh of relief. I’ll take “urban problems” over racism any day of the week!!
Question. If Bill wrote a book that was titled, “How White People and Their Racism are to Blame For Our Struggles,” how would that help the cause?
Some of you keep asking why he’s not blaming whitey. HOW DOES THAT HELP? If you acknowledge that whitey doesn’t give a ***** about you, then where else can you look for a solution than inward?
I just don’t understand how acknowleding the crimes of white racism helps us advance? Someone explain that to me. Does a poor single mother in the projects get a check for $10,000 every time we call whitey out?
The only thing that can save that single mother in the projects is herself and her determination to want out. Our society is filled with proud accomplished blacks who made it cause they wanted out. Stanley O’Neal was poor in Alabama and came up through the 1960’s, yet he got an MBA from Harvard and now is CEO of Meriil Lynch. If HE could do that throught the 1960’s and 70’s, then saying it can’t be done now is insane.
Shame is, I bet none of you know who Stanley is….
I agree with Bill 100%. We spend so much time blaming others for our plight that we don’t put the effort into raising our kids to be responsible, intelligent, vital adults. And Bill didn’t say “EVERY POOR BLACK PERSON.” Of course he doesn’t mean everyone fits into those categories – he’s calling out the ones that do. We just can’t handle the truth about our community coming from another black person.
how is bill cosby going to talk about black people being bad parents? my brother attended morehouse w/ bill’s son and his son was a straight weed head, he even sold it on the side (yeah how ironic ur dad is a millionaire but ur sellin weed on campus) LMAO! ok think back to win bill’s son was murder on the side of the highway…hmm kind of fishy right? what do u think went wrong? A DRUG DEAL!
Bill’s daughter attendeded spellman and she was a drug addict!
Bill spent 100s of thousands to keep his love child underwraps only to find out that his lovechild wasnt even his daughter! hmm bill u cheated on ur wife? ur a great role model!
Bill wants to put down the Black community and tell us what we need to do why dont he fix his life and his home before he step up to be the black family spokesman?
Yes, i agree that we as blacks need to fix our problems, but dont agree with someone who acts like he has all the answers when he cant even get his own ***** right.
Bill wants to blame someone? blame the system, yeah i know it gets old “oh its the white mans fault” no im not saying that but think about it! Instutional racism has taken over straight out 1960s straight in your face racism!
How can black parents raise their kids living in poor neighborhoods? they cant even get loans to get better houses b/c of discrimnation, what about the schools that our black kids are in? they are not up to par! what about the job market? dont even say affirmative action, because AA is more benefical to white women! how can we have great role models to look up to in the black community when they are just as dirty and backwards as they come!
Bill in the most respectful way i can even think to say this, but SHUT YOUR OLD ***** UP! mmm pudding!
Stan… This isn’t about racism. Fyk white people. I’m talking about us. Philadelphia is basically our city. Black politicians, Black mayor. I mean our students are beating up and nearly aralyzing teachers..I know you heard about that. Our homicide rate is through the roof. All I am sayingis thatthere is something fundamentaly wrong with the way things are. I don’t care whose fault it is. The fact is that it needs to be fixed.
AlabamaGirl,
He never pointed out any positive examples. You’re *****uming he meant not “all of us”. I tend to think differently.
I have lost count of the number of my buddies who don’t do ***** but blame other people for their problems. I’m 25 most of them the same age or a little older and been in and out of prison. I broke away from them got a degree in business, working hard now and saying my money and the first thing ouuta they mouth is that I sold out. They don’t have nothing, don’t want nothing (so they say but I don’t believe that ***** cause they forever begging). And many of them mad because I got tired of wasting my life. So when people say it’s fear, i believe you have truly hit on something. Fear of success I guess. But some people you just can tell nothing and all the folks blaming racism like it cause it’s a handy excuse. I had racists teachers like you wouldn’t believe but that didn’t stop me did it. And it won’t stop no other man if he ain’t a scared little boy. Believe that!
Reformed GammaRay said;
And who cares about his personal life? that’s not a worldwide community affecting issue, keep the focus on us not dying, and being so seperate as a people not his bedroom, that’s our problem, focusing on the wrong things which takes all your energy and attention from what needs to be really done, and plus I dont wanna know about all lat anyway.
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Diversion tactics is all it is. Some people are mad b/c what he is saying applies to them and instead of doing better or at the least listening to the advice they talk about the mistakes he has made in the past. There are tons of black folks running around here loving Bill Clinton b/c he act black. How? By cheating on his wife, playing the sax, and smoking weed? And this is the man that was in control of our entire country. Oh he’s cool b/c he “acts like us” but when “one of us” trys to help “us” oh they are “out of touch.”
Sorry, typing too fast on my lunch breaks and made a lot of mistakes, but I’m sure most folks know what I meant even if the word was misspelled. Love my people be strong, compete and succeed!!!
btw, middle cl***** blacks are very well represented in Mount Airy. If you’d rather live in the ‘hood around “your own kind,” than you are an idiot and will deserve it when some stray bullet takes you out, or when your child has to go to an inferior school.
I live in a good neighboorhood. It’s a mostly white neighboorhood, but it’s a good neighboorhood with no crime and great schools. The color of my neighbor’s skin is irrelevant. I know where black folks are when I need to be around them.
Oh, and I’ve yet to have a cross burnt on my lawn…
And how many women came forward and accused Bill Cosby of drugging, abusing, and giving them herpes?
His son was murdered by a racist boyfriend of a white prostitute he was meeting up with, and his daugther was a druggie when she was a student at Spellman.
Bill is looking for his last minutes of fame before he goes bye bye. Funny how he chose to go to Oprah!
Dumb rich black people make me laugh!
Stan – I actually saw the show. He made a point at the very beginning to make sure his past comments were understood – he did say specifically he was not talking about ALL poor minorities. Positive examples are great to see, but his focus is clearly on trying point out what’s broken. The show wasn’t meant to be a cheerleading session – we sometimes need the harsh words to get us to take action.
@Dushawn
First I want to congratulate you on your succeess. I know from experience it’s not easy. Second, I am on the contrary about the fear thing. People aren’t afraid to succeed the are afraid to fail. It’s much easier not to try at all than to try and fail but I submit to the people in my community and to those on Bossip as long as you keep trying you have not failed.
Um…Yeah
Philly is 50-50 (black and white). It’s problems are typical of any large city. Actually, the murder rate has increased by maybe 10 or 20 per year – much of it is hype. Do you see how beautiful center city is? Do you ever get out to Mount Airy – it’s beautiful out here. My daughter attended Central.
The people at my job did everything to emotionally hinder me. So, you can’t say that this has nothing to do with whites. How would you feel if you watched the entire staff in your office get invited to THREE weddings (the female office manager’s daughters), and you, the only black face, was excluded. As I go, so goes the rest of my family. Yes, I’m bitter and rightfully so.
Most black entertainers are Uncle Toms. From Jay-Z to Stepin Fetchit, they entertain white people. Since more white kids buy rap albums than black kids, then what does that make rappers? It’s self deprication when watching videos about flashing rocks and living the high life. What’s really being portrayed is the new form of the house Negro.
Cosby is using his celebrity to state the obvious of blacks as a whole. Priorities as a whole don’t seem to be as focused as other ethnic groups, specifically WASPs and religious groups like Jews. Unfortunately it takes someone who is so financially independent, who has less to lose from a backlash to make broad statements like he does to bring it into the foreground of what needs to be addressed. I think part of what he is doing is provoking the debate and giving some genereal solutions. We all know there’s no magic bullet to fix these problems. As long as the human condition continues, prejudice and ignorance in all it’s forms will be the obstacle of ethnic and religious equality.
P.S. how can today’s Black parents raise their kids when their out there working 2 to 3 jobs just to survive? sorry bill everybody cant afford nannies to wipe their kids *****. sorry bill everybody doesnt get the opporunity to HIT IT BIG, sorry bill most parents have to work that 9 to 5!
Bill instead of attacking the black community, why dont u help! and on the way we can help u on ur moral issues!
thats what im talkin about, our generation doesnt have no GOOD black leaders, jessie, al, bill they are all for camera time!
jessie can smell when a camera is around!
black people we need to stop putting these fools on a pestal and wake the ***** up! because you think their helping us but in reality their not! please stop thinking that these fools are the 2nd coming! these fools been all up in the media since the 80s and what has changed for us?
I went to the jena6 protest and when jesse came black folks was acting like he was the LORD himself. jesse aint about nothing its all a political agenda! please wake up my brothers and sisters!
just like the 08 presidental election. DONT VOTE FOR OBAMA JUST BECAUSE HE IS BLACK! He doesnt even cater to the black need!
the best candiate is Dennis Kucinich!
please do ur homeowrk
this is exactly what he was talking about you need to be careful about what you say around youth
you cant be making comments about him being uncle tom why becuase he is educated has money and speaks out about the clear problems in the black community in america?
idiots! fix up
read the book and go get a clue!
At the end of the day, Bill Cosby has a right to speak his mind. It is time for our community to come up with solutions for our problems instead of blaming others. We should be grateful that our elders, such as Bill Cosby, still care about the state of the Black community. I look forward to reading Mr. Cosby’s book, and I wish him success in the future.
Bill Cosby should take care of his herpes and stop trying to put poor people down.
Amen H*****an… I totally agree. We sometimes forget what blacks around Bill Cosby’s age actually had to go through to become successful and just survive back in the 50s and 60s. Instead of chastising him, we should be asking ourselves what are WE going to do to help our own people.
STOP GENERALIZING!!!!
Are the majority of black teenage girls mothers? NO!
Are the majority of black teenage boys murderers? NO!
Are the majority of blacks on welfare? NO!
Is there a problem with the educational system? YES… The suburban areas where I live receive way more money for books, teachers, educations efforts, etc. The poor city areas receive 1 cent on the dollar compared. Bill, send your money for books, teachers, etc. for a failing system that is failing our kids in the inner city… STOP TALKING! STOP GENERALIZING! PUT YOUR MONEY WHERE YOUR MOUTH IS! IF EDUCATION IS THE KEY….MAKE SURE OUR INNER CITY KIDS HAVE BOOKS TO TAKE HOME FOR LEARNING, HOMEWORK, & DEVELOPING THEIR MINDS…
And who cares about his personal life?
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This is what people will point to in order to try and dilute his message. The messenger is flawed, so who is he to say anything. I wonder how they will excuse Dr. Poussaint then.
These are the same people will defend rappers & other black celebrities with extensive prison records and suggest that they have something to say, but require that anyone who they disagree with be without flaws.
The only people who have a problem with Cosby are 1) the people living the way he is talking about and 2) people who think in generalizations – that any mention of a group of black people means every black person and 3) People who don’t want to hear anything is wrong with blacks that is our fault. If it doesn’t stem from racist whites, then shut your mouth.
He is not digging on poor people. There are plenty of decent, moral poor people. He’s talking only about the people who are living the way he is describing in the book. These are people making irresponsible, immoral, selfish and ignorant choices that only serve to further their ignorance, poverty and status in the undercl***** and put their children, who are already at a disadvantage because of race, at a further disadvantage.
5 decades ago, when racism was MUCH, MUCH, MUCH worse and black men and women had it MUCH, MUCH, MUCH harder, 4 out of 5 black children were still born in wedlock. Now, when black women and men have it 100Xs easier than they did 50 years ago, only 3 out of 10 are born in wedlock.
I know Mt. Airy. I live right on broad and logan. Look, I’m not white people aren’t a part of this. I’m saying that they aren’t going to help. And the man had many valid points. ABout Center City. Yeah, its beautiful but I don’t know that many brothers that live there. Where we are a majority, it looks like a warzone. It may not be all are fault but we are the ones that have to live in it. 10-20 increase in homicide sounds a lot to me. Especially when we are the only ones dying
What happen to people taking blame for their own responsiblities. The reason black people are in state they are in because of counterproductive behavior. You on medicade but you buy your boyfrind $400 rims but you got the state paying yo childcare expenses ??? If you a single mother and you can’t take care of one child. Why get pregnant agian and again by that “no good, mutliple baby moving having BOY.” WHY do that to yourself? I remember when college was looked at by youth as a step into the “right.” I will say that my friends are actors, writers and painters and managers. But in my neighborhood, all I see is young black women who have children and who subsequently don’t work or go to school. And aitn’t trying to either???How can u take care of a child and enstill values????? (another day another post) Bill isn’t perfect, but who is. parents aren’t perfect by a long shot should theri children listen to them. Bill made a valid point and you know it’s true, therefore you wouldn’t feel the need to make excuses.
Also, it hurts to say it but if you don’t care I don’t care. But Bill does care and you disrespect him like this.
Bill has tempered his message considerably from 2004. He actually made an attempt at clarification, which he has in the past chosen not to do. It was also good to see dialog with the audience.
At the 36 minute mark, Dr. Poussaint made a great point about verbal abuse. Which is what Bill was doing himself when he first decided to go on his crusade. The man certainly hasn’t lied, though. His delivery was lacking, which can make a world of difference. Glad to see his co-pilot, Dr. Poussaint, is so on point, as he always is.
Now, my only question is where are the resources going to come from to build more bridges for those capable and willing to improve their lives. Everyone in dire straits is not blessed to have an angel lead them out of hell. I suppose this has always been my disconnect with this whole issue. With our public schools on the ropes, the economy shifting, a raging war that’s going to have to be painfully paid for by somebody in the very near future, it’s going to take more than good opinions and the truth to set right what has gone so terribly wrong.
COUNTERPRODUCTIVE BEHAVIOR IS THE REASON….MAN UP OR WOMAN UP…TAKE PERSONAL RESPONSIBLITY!!!!!!!!!
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I agree with what Mr. Cosby says but he and Oprah white ppl loving *****es should get together and help all the poor blk kids in America instead of putting them on blast and not doing anything to make their situation better. I say screw the parents of these kids because if your poor or dead broke the last thing you need is children. I use to look up to Oprah but she helps more white ppl get on than blks. I mean her chef, designer, racheal ray, Dr. Phil, etc. I’m sure there’s blk professional that could have done those jobs just as well ***** them both and take Jessie Jackson with them.
It is a much bigger issue than $500 shoes. Another thing, I don’t see any welfare kids walking around with $500 shoes, or $200 for that matter. Maybe $100 shoes… But, at the same time would you buy their shoes from PAYLESS so they would only last for a week?
I just heard that Bossip.com is a site run by white folks….discuss
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Stan so what you are a grown man! Stop crying and wringing your hand sbecause those folks didn’t invite you to their damn wedding. Damn! man up Stan! Stop being so emotional and just go to work do your job!
@Carman De La Cruz
How dare you say we have “no GOOD black leaders”. I don’t know what your definition of leader is but I’m using webster and by its definition Nelson Mandela, Martin Luther King, Jr., Oprah Winfrey, Marcus Garvey, Beverly Bond, and the list goes on and on and on. You also say “Bill instead of attacking the black community, why dont u help! and on the way we can help u on ur moral issues!” The sad part is you can’t even see that he is helping us but you and some others are far to defensive to see it. When you do something wrong do your parents say “oh okay I’ll fix it” or do they say “you know better, why did you do that, that was wrong, etc” Teachers do the same. They encourage and praise you for what we do wrong and let us know the things we need to improve on. Bill is doing the same. Why everybody wants to comment on his personal issues is beyond me. As for those parents working two and three jobs that you are defending I have three solutions:
1. KEEP YOUR LEGS CLOSED/ KEEP YOUR ***** IN YOUR PANTS.
2. Birth control in this country is FREE!!!!!
3. The level of educational attainment is directly related to the level of income. So if you only want one job or a better job get a better education which is also FREE in this country.
Now, you do YOUR homework.
nah diamond. I know one of the girls that started it. They are black.. She quitbecause of the direction it was going though
Bill Cosby may not be a quote un quote Uncle Tom, however who makes him the authority on every poor Black household…I take exception to him pointing his wealthy finger as though all his actions and family member’s actions have been perfect…I put him in the same box with Jessie and Al…the unfair thing is that he is in a position to run his lips and have people listen to him…no one would care if your average Joe were making the exact same comments as Bill
I believe the reason people are having issues with Bill Cosby, is because they are unable to separate his character of Dr. Heathcliff Huxtable from the real person that he is. People don’t understand that Bill Cosby has had struggles…he wasn’t always well off, and he’s worked hard to get where he is and what he has. There is definitely some issues that “we” as black people need to work out…one of them is putting education first, the other is keeping the institution of family intact. Far too many people are finding “family” in the wrong crowd…and that needs to be fixed. Another big issue is the glamorization of violence and misogyny…people like TI are far more well known than distinguished doctors and scientist…black children aren’t being taught that they can be anything they want…if they have the drive, the goal and know the way to get it!!!
Why do you guys ask who care about Bill’s personal life when he’s obvioiusly worrying about the personal life of others? What a hypocritical thing to say!
Bill Cosby ***** about misogyny in rap music, yet he has *****ed and *****aulted so many women while married to his wife.
Bill, you’re wasting your time talking all that ***** because your message will not reach those who actually need the upliftment.
Like Bossip said, why not come up with a creative solution to help those powerless people you love to put down?
Oh hell naw, dont be dissng payless. Playless shoes done stepped up. Im self sufficient 21 yr old and I will rock some playless or walmart shoes in minute. I don’t believe in spending $100.00 for shoes when all they are going to do is come out with a new style next week. (Jordan) My weakness is hair and I will spend $180.00 on some micros (my weakness) SMH! But guess what I work two jobs in school and have no kids so I can do that!
To the welfare hoes that don’t want to see thay kids walking around in payless shoes, the you need to call his daddy up and tell him to get som “name brand” shoes, Taxpayers shouldn’t have to fit the bill cause you don’t want to see yo kids in payless shoes. Get off yo lazy ***** and get a job, better yet tell that nicca you got laying up in yo house, that is driving yo car, eating yo food and watching yo t.v. to step his game up. UGH!
Bill is so right. Until we as black adults realize that white America is not going to save us and that we are out only hope, we will continue in this downward spiral and all the progress Malcom X and Martin Luther King made is creating unity in our community will be lost forever.
Whatever. Sorry ***** people do sorry ***** things and then turn around looking for a handout and cussing out anyone who tells them to get up off they lazy *****es and do better. It’s just sad that my race has to be the leading pack. ***** it for all my people do what needs to be done hopefully we will cross paths and can uplift each other. For all you sorry ***** negros oh the hell well. YOU are in charge of your life. If you want something do something with it, other wise do us all a favor and die.
All of this mess could be dealt with in one generation if all the multi-millionaire black entertainers, athletes, business people would get together under one big philantrophic organization (not those idiots at the NAACP). Spend a bit of their money and resources on providing tutoring help, building boarding schools for poor black kids and helping the parents of these kids(usually single mothers) with counselling and educational services. But the rappers and basketball players especially, would rather spend those millions on an extra fleet of cars, three and four different homes and countless, expensive parties. If rich black people would do more to help the poor( not the government, forget the government because they have caused more problems than solutions in out communities)when can turn this train wreck around. With all of the rich black people in America, there should not be a single black mother on the streets or living in those hellish welfare motels. We, as a people are simply too damn selfish.
BILL COSBY, WHO KILLED ENNIS COSBY?
A WHITE RACIST KILLED ENNIS COSBY, YOU OLD CRUSTY *****!
^^^^^agreed
Take personal responsiblity!
LOL ***** Bill Cosby…Old ***** uncle tom and rapist. Good sit yo hypocrite ***** somewhere!
What the hell does Ennis Cosby’s killer have to do with this???? I just don’t see the point…..
I applaud Bill Cosby for having the courage to speak what we all know. Many African American youth (both males and females) are on a downward spiral and much of it is due to poor parenting, f-ed up priorities and exposure to the so called hip hop culture. As the mother of a young African American boy one of my greatest fears is that my son may grow up emulating the Fifty Cents, TIs and Lil Wayne’s of this world. Praise be to Mr. Cosby….hopefully black people will start listening and making the necessary changes b/f it’s too late.
That agreed was for “AND” and not that………..) holding her words in !
No, he is not. If Bossip writers/readers read Dyson’s interview, you would recognize that he is not stating that Cosby is an “Uncle Tom.” That phrase is oppressive, and self-hating. Blacks are unwilling to accept ideological diversity and label people with different belief “Uncle Tom” as if that was the approriate label for any one who questions black leadership or authority. Have you even read the book or literature about it?
@ Can You Believe This Sh–It!!
I’m emotional, but when it happens to your WHITE *****, after putting in years of service somewhere, you’ll look at it quite differently.
I meant to him to go sit his ***** down…damn typos
@THE GHOST OF OPRAH WINFRED’S GRANDMOTHER
I don’t know what you’ve been around by I grew up in the ‘jects. Those mothers ARE NOT GOING TO GO TO THOSE COUNSELING SERVICES or anything else. Are you serious? Why should those famous black people “have to” spend there money to help people who won’t even help themselves. That’s why Oprah helps kids in other countries. She was on Meeting the Faith one Sunday morning and she said that when she used to go into the inner cities and ask the kids what they wanted their reply would be ” jordans, clothes, toys, gameboys, etc” basically bull*****. She asked the same question to kids in Africa and they told her “food, a house, and clothes to go to school.” ***** EVERY MF who doesn’t like what Oprah does with HER money. You didn’t help her make it so you don’t get to tell how to spend it. And… that goes for every other famous/wealthy black person.
i mean tell him…lol damn!! LOL I need to eat
Why every time someone speaks truth about the ignorance and poverty of Blacks we call them an Uncle Tom? Bossip for future reference don’t post things if you can’t support a positive cause by trying to turn it negative. This is exactly what Bill is talking about, the stupidity. He is sick of it and so am I and others. What you want T.I. to come speak to us intelligently and defend their dumb decisions as rappers? Oh that’s right he’s in jail. Big surprise there. Come On People.
Dr. Toussaint (spelling) sat there like a little obedient lap dog. He left a longterm marriage for an Asian woman half his age!!
Reading some of the posts that Cosby and Oprah need to do more to help fix the problem, I’ll just SMH. It’s NOT their responsibility because they’re wealthy. As much as MLK was a great leader of the people, his mythology is more of a hinderance than help. We have to all look at ourselves individually to make changes instead of relying on that helping hand to pull us up. Poverty can be broken, but it isn’t easy. How many of us have jobs we dislike, but settle into a lifestyle because it’s what we’re accustomed to living.
ok. im tired.. im going to go talk about ne-yo being gay
@ I’m tired of dumb black people – Dumb black people are the ones who want to lose sight of the issue. They want to focus on someone’s personal life in order to deflect whats really going on. Thus, were going to keep having problems in the black community because people don’t want to face the truth or take responsibilty of their own actions. Martin Luther King Jr. was not perfect. Malcolm X was not perfect. Heck John F. Kennedy and Bill Clinton weren’t perfect. Does that mean that they didn’t care about helping minorities, the poor or the disadvantaged?? Bill Cosby has made mistakes in the past and he has obviously learned from them, putting his attention and focus on the problems that black people are facing in this country. Black people are going to remain in the position they are in if they won’t step up and make a change – and someone’s personal life is not the issue. People make mistakes, and they learn from them, which is something that Cosby has done. People, focus on the issue at hand not someone’s personal life.
what cosby saying is right… but the way he goes about it is wrong…
and what pair of sneakers cost 500 dollars..? im just saying i got plenty sneaks but none over 150.00
Alabama Girl,
If my son or daughter were shot in cold blood by a white man, the last thing I would do is turn around and immediately start attacking black folks. This man is INSANE!!!! He’s not trying to help anyone – he just wants to showboat.
There is nothing “Tomish” about what he is saying. He is correct. We need to accept responsibility for our families and communities. Every ill in our community should have been addressed in the home. Too many brotha’s are still not being men and think making a baby makes you a man. H–L NO! Being a father is not about immitting your seed and bouncing. It’s about raising that seed and helping them grow to be critically thinking adults. Being a man is more about the way a man carries himself, not his swagger. And the sistas need to stop having babies for whom they are emotionally, mentally, and financially unprepared. Stop running from the truth that we have to fix our own problems and it all needs to be exposed. Thank-you Mr. Cosby and all others telling the truth.
@i’m tired of dumb black people
So am I. I wish I could steal your name. If so bad but some my people really make me not like my people. It’s so hard to help those that won’t help themselves.
I see that we already have a bunch of uncle tom’s who responded already. I have a question to all of these people who agree with Bill. Once we have changed our behavior, (because it seems that we cannot make a move and confront the real issues until we have all *****imilated), how are we going to tackle those issues that has nothing to do with how we behave?
@ M,
Again, white folks do the exact same *****!! Why are we being singled out?
*correction*
It’s so bad but some of my people…
Marianne – this discussion is about trying to uplift our black people. About Trying to get them to help themselves. The death of Bill’s son has absolutely nothing to do with that – so a white person killed his son. Does that change anything about the plight of the black community?? No.
@WHATASHAME!!!
Like what????
When we as blacks can understand each other, communicate with each other, and stop bickering amonst are race…
Dshuwn
you say ya friends is mad that you came up… then they not ya friends homie… im really from the gutter 80’s baby and everything that comes with it…
crack *****ed up a whole generation of babies/kids…
and i truly belive if the MAN would have not put that addictive ***** on the streets along with aids/herion/and guns… then we as a race would be on track now…
see what you guys are doing if you dont agree with cosby your trash if you do your a sell out thats are problem… we cant agree to disagree…
and i agree this would have been better if cosby was doing the ***** in 87 instead of 2007…
Whatashame,
That’s when old crusty Bill will come in and find a way to justify things – just as he is right now. I give up – apparently, we will NEVER stop defending this hypocrite.
Yes, white people do the same things, but we do it in disproportionate numbers based on our population.
It’s funny to me how people don’t have a brain. Most people in this world are victims of the WILLIE LYNCH SYNDROME. You tell a person something long enough they start to believe it. No one is blaming the ghetto for nothing, but one thing for sure it is not to be glorified. We are suppose to strive to be the best. Why can’t I be the next Bill GATES. I know I can because no one can stop me from going to college but me. It’s the way we think people. The same way WILLIE LYNCH said it will be. The only way you fall victim is if you believe you can’t get out. Everyone that thinks Cosby is wrong need to read the Willie Lynch letter. It’s said when black people think the only way out of the bottom is to be a rapper or a althlete. Yet when the rapper gets out of the hood they still glorify crack sellin and chopper bustin. Small minds make small dreams.
For all the people out here saying Bill Cosby is talking about the problem and not giving a solution, are you listening! Parents, get off ur new Sprint phone and find out what’s going on in ur children’s life. Ask them about their homework, what’s going on in school, stop buying things you know you can’t afford in an attemot to “be fresh” and all that crap. Invest ur money! Everybody wanna be Polo’d from head to toe, but Ralph Lauren’s children’s college tuition is PAID FOR! And guess who’s paying it, your non-working, can’t keep ur phone on self! Black ppl get on my nerves with that the man this, and its still the white man’s fault, so how does that explain blacks who are successful? My people, wake up, please I’m begging you, step to the plate, raise these kids teach them more than being fly and throwing D’s on that b***h!
AlabamaGirl,
You mean we’re PUNISHED and are AFFECTED in disproportionate numbers.
I don’t think Bill Cosby is an Uncle Tom. I also don’t think he and Oprah are trying to make us “white” I’m sure they had their share of hardships growing up black in America too, but what they are trying to make us see is that just because you are in a situation, it doesn’t mean you have to be defined by that situation. Keep your head up, go to school, be somebody. I think those are goals that everyone should live up to. So I guess if getting an education and speaking correct english makes one white, then I know a whole lot of “white” black people. All he’s saying is stop making excuses for ***** and get up, get out and get something.
@ Here We Go
I think a lot of us overcome obstacles and succeed against the odds. Now, imagine if Cosby preached on that point as often as he does the negative – of course, we’d never hear anything about it.
CARMAN – If the choice is between 2 or 3 jobs or making sure your child doesn’t go off the rails – then you drop 1 or 2 jobs. The parenting comes first – making sure your kid’s not some criminal or *****up comes first. And most importantly parents have to let their kids know that the poor social and economic level that they may be living at is not OK.
In other words – being poor is no crime and if you behave yourself like a decent human being – you have nothing to be ashamed of BUT not having money and living in a crime infested neighborhood is NOT OK.
And you have to be honest with your kids and yourself – if the reason you’re poor and didn’t finish school is because you got knocked up a bunch of times (or knocked up 1 or a bunch of girls a bunch of times), and you dropped out of school because you never learned to read or got locked up for dealing or whatever it is – you have to let your kid know that those were all STUPID and WRONG DECISIONS that YOU have made.
You tell your kids you love them and that you wouldn’t change a thing if if it meant you wouldn’t have them in your life – BUT you make it crystal clear that if your kids want it better than you have it now, that they’re going to have to go to school and work hard.
They are not to emulate you and the stupid ***** you did that got you where you’re at.
And if they do all that, it’ll get better, but realisticly better. Like they’ll work in the post office and have health benefits and vacation better -not Oprah-esque 100 billion dollars a year better.
For all of those ppl that are talking about what Oprah SHOULD be doing and what Cosby SHOULD be doing…what are YOU doing?
Why is it that Oprah an Cosby have to be the “saviors” of all black people? Bottom line, it’s takes work on a gr***** roots level to see a change. I challenge each of you to get involved in your community and mentor a disadvantaged child. Oprah and Bill can’t do it all, so don’t criticize if you aren’t part of the solution either.
@ Here We Go
I don’t know who started this “acting white” myth, but you seem to have bought it – hook, line, and sinker. I doubt seriously if any of us truly feel that way.
Marianne. Are you dense? What does a white russian killing his son HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH WHAT HE SAYS TO BLACK PEOPLE?!?!
Seriously, if I black kid kills a white person’s son, should they then blindly support everything white and hate blacks? That’s your logic?
What I see here is people who have failed and don’t want to look in the mirror for their failures. If you are black in America and are not a success, IT’S YOUR FAULT. Yeah, we gotta work harder, and we gotta put up with more BS, but the only way to change that is to start running *****.
There are black CEO’s of two of the world’s most prestigious financial companies (AMEX and Merrill Lynch), they had it MUCH HARDER than you Stan. Yet they got it done. Whitey pays my check, I don’t give a ***** if he invites me to his party. I ain’t inviting him to mine. Quit looking to be coddled.
In today’s world, the color that matters the most is green. If you can do the job the best, even racist whites will hire you because they care most about the bottom line.
Bill has given millions to black colleges and paid for so many BLACK CHILDREN to go to school. He’s got a PhD in Education. I think he’s plenty qualified.
This man came up through REAL RACISM. Not this “I didn’t get invited to a wedding” *****. We need to ignore those who can’t and look at what made men like Bill and Oprah successful.
If you want to stay “Black” (see poor and dumb), then good for you….
I see that Bossip is still running on a slave mentality here. Tsk, tsk, tsk. Shame on Bossip for calling Bill Cosby an “uncle Tom”. Dumb black folk. Will never get it. NEVER!!!!! Enjoy running your own people into the ground with your ghetto blog site. People ask what has Cosby done for black people? He’s done more than Bossip ever has. At least he’s put his money where his mouth is. Bossip is nothing but hypocritical for ragging on Cosby for only speaking the truth. Knowing the mentality of black folks, they’d have no problems with what he’s said if he was forking over his hard earned cash so they can sit on their lazy, obese *****es all day and not have to go to school or work. Shame.
Wake the ***** up people!
I’m officially done with Bossip.
Marianne – you just illustrated the whole point of the majority of the comments here. We need to STOP blaming other folks for “PUNISHING” us and live up to our responsibilities.
To all of the people that agree with Bill, you are part of the PROBLEM and not the SOLUTION. If all you focus on is how we act then we have gone nowhere. If that is the answer, then what happened to Bill’s generation why weren’t they able to overcome? I hear a lot of people on here who talk down to ghetto people and that is so pathetic. You are just as ignorant as the ones you put down. So what, tha you speak proper English or you don’t buy expensive clothes. Is that a reason to let anyone degrade your entire race. I have yet to see or hear anyone call a town hall meeting to get these white girls under control, and that’s difference between us and them.
P.S. For all the “upwardly mobile” black who think that they’re so above ghetto people, the rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer. so you better watch your mouth or you will find yourself right next door. (yeah thought you were so special b/c you make YT proud by putting down your own, IF YOU’RE BLACK YOUR EXACTLY WHO BILL IS TALKING ABOUT, I DON’T CARE WHAT YOUR SOCIOECONOMIC STATUS IS
Common Sense,
You are as ignorant as they come. Often times, it truly does come down to race. I’m gone. I have to listen to a brother who truly cares about black people- MICHAEL BAISDEN. By the way, I’m far from poor. Kiss my *****, *****!!
Common Sense – true dat!!!! Well said…..
I am sorry to say that for most of my life i was like that Khari dude, constantly blaming white folks for my bad decisions. The last time i got out of prison, i was 48 and determined to change my life and make amends to the four children I ignored, didn’t take care and such. When I was young I didn’t listen to *****ody. my father went to prison, his father , the same old *****. I blamed whitey if I got caught breaking into somebody’s house, usually another black person. I blamed whitey for smoking crack because I wanted to be high 24/7 at one time of my life. I blamed them because I didn’t learn to read and write well until I wasa nearly 30 years old because I didn’t want to go to school and my mama didn’t make me. Now that I am older I have seen the light when I should be at a time in my life to be able to enjoy the fruits of my labour from working hard and a*****ulating things. Just reuglar stuff most folks have when they work for em. My children don’t like me very much which I can understandbut they had a good mama and none of em went to prison, all graudated from high school, two going on to college and the other goes to Devry to learn computers. Some of my friends on parole still blaming the white man and don’t want to except responsibility for *****ing up they own lives, but then again some folks never change. I knew one guy was lucky enough to get a job but he didn’t like taking orders so he went back to his old ways of stealing and selling rocks. Funny cause now hes back in prison taking orders from the guards like a slave 24/7. Now blaming whitey don’t never enter my mind because I have to be honest with myself, I got counselling and owned up to my mistakes. its painful but there it is.
It’s funny to me how people don’t have a brain. Most people in this world are victims of the WILLIE LYNCH SYNDROME. You tell a person something long enough they start to believe it. No one is blaming the ghetto for nothing, but one thing for sure it is not to be glorified. We are suppose to strive to be the best. Why can’t I be the next Bill GATES. I know I can because no one can stop me from going to college but me. It’s the way we think people. The same way WILLIE LYNCH said it will be. The only way you fall victim is if you believe you can’t get out. Everyone that thinks Cosby is wrong need to read the Willie Lynch letter. It’s said when black people think the only way out of the bottom is to be a rapper or a althlete. Yet when the rapper gets out of the hood they still glorify crack sellin and chopper bustin. Small minds make small dreams. Let’s get it together.
as I said it before, it’s not fair that because Bill Cosby is who he and Oprah is who she is , they somehow have the right to make statements that by the way do not pertain to every underpriveleged black household in America….again what gives them the right to stand on their soapbox….yeah, yeah we know they both had it hard growing up….well why weren’t they making the same comments when they were both growing up poor….it only makes sense to them now that they got out and went on to do better….instead of having these talks amongst white people who are only going to agree because they already feel like they are carrying us, they need to hit up the Elementary Schools and Middle Schools here in the U.S. and get to these kids early…before it’s too late
I can’t believe people are still listening to what this man has to say. His child is/was a junkie he has an illegitimate child etc. Look at this man, he sounds like he is high, and he can’t even speak proper English himself, listen to him use slang. Who is he to talk?
I used to think that the only reason black people are so backward is because of our own doing. Now I see that it is not true.
Now I am not one to blame the white man and not help myself. I am in the final year of my law degree, I don’t do drugs, I don’t commit crimes, I don’t buy $500 sneakers. But I realise that what sets me apart from other people is that I have more opportunities than many of my black counterparts. People are trying to turn this into a race issue, but it has more to do with wealth and socio-economic cl*****. If you are poor you are more likely to commit crimes, do drugs have a child at a young age etc. It happens in every society that has poor uneducated people. As long ago as it may seem, it was only in recent times that black people have gotten rights and its going to take time for things to become equal. Racism is not the boogie man, it still exists, just not as bad. What we need to do as a people is to help ourselves as well as fighting institutionalised racism. We need to stop looking to tv as a reflection of who we are as a people (bet etc)feeling as if every black person on tv is representing us, we need to looking in our own communities and see the black people who are making a difference and building us up, rather than cursing those who cant do much better
And by the way, Bill Cosby’s statistics are bull*****, the drop out rate for african americans is far below 50% and the drop out rate has continued to decrease. Why doesnt he stop and wonder why we drop out? Its like accepting that black people are biologically dumber than other ethnic groups and thats why we cant do any better
Okay, 13 minutes into this and I must say that I agree wholeheartedly with Bill and Dr. Poussaint. Consider Bill whatever you want, but I’m glad he’s opened up this dialogue. We as a people have got issues and the first step to healing is admitting we’ve got a problem.
What is this “airing dirty laundry” nonsense…every other race can speak to our issues, stereotype us, etc. Why not take matters into our own hands, recognize the problems and seriously work towards resolution.
People have got to realize the value of education…it still is the one thing that will help us progress, because how many of us are going to be athletes, or singers, or models/actresses, etc? And what happens to those left out of the “entertainment/sports” arena? Oh, they’re the ones who’ll continue to fill the jails or cemeteries. But I digress…back to the show
Alabama Girl,
Get back to your trailer park. You’re not fooling anyone.
Cornell, keep my name out of your mouth and go suck Cosby’s old rusty *****.
And said:
@THE GHOST OF OPRAH WINFRED’S GRANDMOTHER
I don’t know what you’ve been around by I grew up in the ‘jects. Those mothers ARE NOT GOING TO GO TO THOSE COUNSELING SERVICES or anything else. Are you serious? Why should those famous black people “have to” spend there money to help people who won’t even help themselves. That’s why Oprah helps kids in other countries. She was on Meeting the Faith one Sunday morning and she said that when she used to go into the inner cities and ask the kids what they wanted their reply would be ” jordans, clothes, toys, gameboys, etc” basically bull*****. She asked the same question to kids in Africa and they told her “food, a house, and clothes to go to school.” ***** EVERY MF who doesn’t like what Oprah does with HER money. You didn’t help her make it so you don’t get to tell how to spend it. And… that goes for every other famous/wealthy black person.
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I agree. Black kids in this country don’t care about the important stuff. They want an ipod! Get an education, finish college, get a job, and then you can get an ipod!… And some people need to read their damn history books. Almost every single black person who was a slave wanted nothing else but an education and know how to read and write. Our ancestors wanted nothing but an education! Centuries later, black kids don’t care about doing well in school. They drop out of school like its nothing! And those same people still want an ipod. Cuz I guess it makes life easier to have one. At least Oprah is helping kids who want nothing else but an education. How many times can Oprah tell black kids in this country that an ipod and some shoes aren’t important. Let Oprah go and spend some of her money on kids who want help. Oprah still cares about helping people in this country but how could she help them if their main priority is to get some expensive jeans or an ipod?
There is absolutely NOTHING Uncle Tom about Bill Cosby. If anything he is pro black, because he is trying to help us better ourselves, and our community. We need to be told the truth. Our race is suffering, and lagging behind more than any other, and if we want our futures and those of our children to be the best it can be we MUST hear the negatives, so we can be make the needed changes, and become positive. Thankyou Bill for speaking the truth. For those that can’t handle it, then perhaps you are the ones of whom Bill is speaking. Use that as a wakeup call.
Black Man
It’s funny to me how people don’t have a brain. Most people in this world are victims of the WILLIE LYNCH SYNDROME. You tell a person something long enough they start to believe it. No one is blaming the ghetto for nothing, but one thing for sure it is not to be glorified. We are suppose to strive to be the best. Why can’t I be the next Bill GATES. I know I can because no one can stop me from going to college but me. It’s the way we think people. The same way WILLIE LYNCH said it will be. The only way you fall victim is if you believe you can’t get out. Everyone that thinks Cosby is wrong need to read the Willie Lynch letter. It’s said when black people think the only way out of the bottom is to be a rapper or a althlete. Yet when the rapper gets out of the hood they still glorify crack sellin and chopper bustin. Small minds make small dreams.
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Please please please tell me there are more like you b/c as a 22year black female in college I just don’t hear or see black men like you very often.
Un…Yeah,
I live in Philly too (Mount Airy). Born to poor black parents who migrated from the south with few opportunities. My daughter will be graduating from college in May. So much for blaming poor blacks, huh!!! Cosby can kiss my *****.
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And that’s what he wants everyone to do. Yes people come from poverty stricken backgrounds but they should strive to want a better life for themselves like you did and not just throw evrything back at the white man. We have a responsibility to our children just like our forefathers did. They did their job its time to do ours.
Stan, stan, stan….”Kiss my ***** *****”
Your language and your ability to discuss things beyond the level of an 8th grader suggests that the reason whitey didn’t invite you to his party is that you’re an imbecile, buffoon, ignoramous.
But you go see “MICHAEL BAISDEN.” If he’ll tell you that you’re oppressed because you’re not at the wedding, then good for you.
But ask yourself this, if Bill Cosby didn’t “truly care for black people” then why did he give millions to morehouse and spellman? Seems like a good place to put your $$ when you don’t care about blacks.
racial discrimination, red lining, racial profiling, black CEO’s make up less than 1%, schools with no books, teachers that watch Oprah and discriminate against students based on what they saw a talk show, not actually knowing how the system works (if we did we most certainly not be having this wack ***** discussion), no healthcare, 2008 election (we haven’t even had time to discuss that b/c we’re here talking nonsens degrading each other, wait isn’t that what rap is for, well I guess we’re all rappers today) anyway the list goes, but all of the great minds in here can’t get past how we talk or act. WHATASHAME!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am starting to think that bossip is owned by the Ku Klux Klan because I am not sure how this could be uncle-tomish…
I love what Dr. Cosby had to say and will be getting the book. I think we do need to step up to the plate and handle ourselves in a much better manner. It is not anyone else’s fault that some do not take care of their kids. Poverty is not an excuse for poor parenting.
What’s up Khari! I have a sense of humor so that trailer park comment was actually funny…. I’ll use my Masters degree in Economics to decipher that last comment you made about sucking “Cosby’s old rusty *****.” How eloquent!
Mr Cosby is entitled to his opinion and I have the right to ignore it. Again, the poor people I know are decent law abiding citizens, not consumers, who are cas-poor but have property.
ANNOUNCEMENT: BLACKS HAVE UNITED TO BEHAVE PROPERLY AS YT EXPECTS
GET DOWN ON YOUR HANDS AND KNEES AND BEG FOR THIS BONE I’M GOING TO THROW YOU FOOLS. THAT’S A GOOD DOG I KNEW WE WOULD BREAK YOU DOWN AT SOME POINT. NOW YOU BETTER NOT GET OUT OF LINE OR WE’RE GOING GO AFTER ANOTHER PART OF YOU HERITAGE THAT WILL HAVE YOU FIGHTING EACH OTHER FOR THE NEXT 100 YEARS. YOU BLACKS HAVE BEEN SO GOOD TO US IT’S LIKE YOU WERE NEVER “FREE”, WELL PHYSICALLY, NOT MENATALLY. ANYWAY, JUST SIT AND BEG UNTIL WE CAN THINK OF SOMETHING TO DIVERT YOUR ATTENTION AWAY FROM US. WE KNOW YOU BLACKS WILL WAIT FOREVER TO GET THAT BONE.
Bill makes great points although everybody is not at his social and econic level. It seems that he is a bit out of touch and he needs to try and uplift his fellow (black) americans instead of publicly rediculing them… he can institute programs and go into the schools and neighborhoods or do large forum and seminars. There are lots of other ways for him sincerely to help out black america… and not just promote his latest book project. hmmmm….
CHICKEN BONE THAT IS
and poverty does not have a race….the same thing could be said about other races who happen to fall into poverty…get up, stop being lazy, stop waiting for a hand out, this is not a race thing, it’s a people thing…the world is comprised of the “haves” and the “have nots”…..some “haves” will not do better, no matter what opportunities are laid at their feet…and some “have nots” will go on to do amazing things….people period should be motivated to do better, be productive citizens, increase their knowledge and by doing that, they may be able to increase their wealth…fix the system…stop making unwed mothers dependent on the government…make it easier for them to be independent and productive, stop sitting kids in front of the TV where all they see are the newest, latest, and greatest which makes them not want to work to get what the want…stop looking for instant gratification…tsome things take time…devote your time and energy towards being healthy….read a book…stimulate your mind and body….this is not a Black thing….
And…
What in the world do you mean by black people won’t help themselves? Your accusatins are baseless and ignorant. Just because someone lives in the ghetto does not mean they don’t want to help themselves!
I don’t know where you’re from, but I fought off a lot of demons and insecurity problems growing up. I was even afraid to tell others I was going to college, because I felt no one believed in me. I use to steal college directory books at the library and take them home, lock myself in my room and research schools. But all this was done in secret I didn’t feel I could make it.
My mother was too busy working two *****ing jobs to make sure I had a roof over my head. She worked in nursing homes where old white people would call her ‘*****’ ona daily basis, but because she could’t risk losing her jobs, she endured the pain of being degraded.
Do you know the the majority of the girls I knew wanted to be after high school? Yes, that’s right, WEAVOLOGISTS! It was extremely sad to see so many black girls only saw themselves as hair stylists.
Many of the young guys I grew up with fell victim to the negative elements of the streets, and that included two of my older brothers.
They were in and out of jail, and while society viewed them as criminals, I couldn’t dare see them as nothing but loving souls who fell victim to their environment.
If you believe some people just don’t want to better themselves, then I guess you open your mind a little because these young people have a lot of demons to fight. And while many rise above it, most don’t.
I lived the life of a black women who grew up in the ghettos of America, so I know the feeling of many. It’s not a pretty thing, and if you want to brush it off as people being inheritenly lazy, then go ahead, just know you’ll die before seeing any real progress.
The large number of comments in agreement with Bill Cosby show the desire ‘most’ black have to improve our situation as a people. It shows that collectively we have a desire, but desire will never be enough. Those same mothers that cosby critisizes want to improve themselves, but that just not enough. We have to be realistic about the forces at plat that continue to hold us down. Take hip-hop music. We dont want to talk about this culture that celebrates imorality and violence and is the real ‘mother’ parenting many of our children. This art form begain as a black enterprise but was eventually corrupted by white music executives that chose to focus their marketing on two of many different types of hip-hop. They focused on 1.gangster rap out of L.A. and 2.sexual club music out of Miami. Although rappers come from everywhere today, its very difficult for them to record deals if they don’t fit these two cl*****ifications. These white executives know they can push limits in black music that would be censored and unexcusable in white music. Just look at the horrible images we see on black people on this site alone. These are almost the only images of black people that our children see and naturaly they copy it. We need to be collective in our resolve to promote positive images. That means we can’t have our cake and eat it too. If we want things to get better, we have to stop supporting music, videos, movies, etc. that are determined to represent us negatively.
It’s funny, no one has called me out yet.
SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME HOW IT WOULD HELP US IF BILL SAID WHITE RACISM IS THE BLAME?
Someone above listed all these problems for blacks and how unfair it is.
BUT NO ONE IS STATING HOW IT WILL GET FIXED. All I hear are platitudes about how Bill and Oprah should “be part of the solution” and “give back.”
PLEASE BE MORE SPECIFIC. Your generalizations show you really don’t get it. Calling out white racism as the cause of our ills would be useful if whitey cared and would change something.
The only way we ascend it to TAKE POWER from him. The only way to achieve power in the US is with EDUCATION.
Every black kid can get an education. Even in Bull***** urban schools, if you want to take advantage of your school, you can do it. Yeah, it’s not fair that white kids in the suburbs have better schools. BUT THAT’S NEVER GOING TO CHANGE. So make it happen with what you got.
NONE OF YOU CAN PROPOSE A WAY TO MAKE SCHOOLS FAIR. The only way would be if white people chose to subsidize poor urban schools. YEAH RIGHT!
Indians and Asians come to this country and have nothing. But they have ascended despite whitey’s hate from them because THEY VALUE EDUCATION. My friend who’s indian was NEVER allowed to have fancy sneakers or video games. His father made $25,000 a year and all their money went to him getting extra tutoring. He want to Columbia.
We need more Black people like that.
I don’t really do Bill after I read an article about him in People magazine where 10+ women had all claimed to have been drugged and sexually abused by him. Even though he is keeping it real, it leaves a bad taste in my mouth…
Commense Sense,
Yes, he contributed millions to these young women, then he turns around and calls them drug addicts, w*****s, bad mothers, etc. Please!! All of his statements are basically blanket ones. F.Y.I. – never begin a sentence with the word “but.” Who is the uneducated one now?
DO WE ASTRIVE FOR ANYTHING BESIDES BEHAVING PROPERLY. IS THAT GOING TO END RACISM. FOR ALL THE TIME AND EFFORT WE ARE PUTTING INTO IT, I SURE HOPE SO.
Common sense, no one wants to respond to you because you seem so full of hatred towards black people. Hmmnm.
@WHATASHAME!!! in response to:
ANNOUNCEMENT: BLACKS HAVE UNITED TO BEHAVE PROPERLY AS YT EXPECTS
GET DOWN ON YOUR HANDS AND KNEES AND BEG FOR THIS BONE I’M GOING TO THROW YOU FOOLS. THAT’S A GOOD DOG I KNEW WE WOULD BREAK YOU DOWN AT SOME POINT. NOW YOU BETTER NOT GET OUT OF LINE OR WE’RE GOING GO AFTER ANOTHER PART OF YOU HERITAGE THAT WILL HAVE YOU FIGHTING EACH OTHER FOR THE NEXT 100 YEARS. YOU BLACKS HAVE BEEN SO GOOD TO US IT’S LIKE YOU WERE NEVER “FREE”, WELL PHYSICALLY, NOT MENATALLY. ANYWAY, JUST SIT AND BEG UNTIL WE CAN THINK OF SOMETHING TO DIVERT YOUR ATTENTION AWAY FROM US. WE KNOW YOU BLACKS WILL WAIT FOREVER TO GET THAT BONE.
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Martin Luther King Jr. would be so proud of you.
@i’m tired of dumb black people
I never said all black people were anything so stop trying to tell me what I think or said. As your name indicates I am simply Tired of the Lazy Black People.
WHO NEEDS THE KLAN WHEN BLACKS DO SUCH A GREAT JOB AT KEEPING EACH OTHER DOWN. KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK!!!!!!
@Common Sense
People may not have responded directly to you by typing “@Common Sense” but plenty have already answered your questions…just read the threads.
If “black” is poor and ignorant, then yeah, I hate black people.
I am only calling out those who are unable to do for themselves. If you *****ociate that as black….WHAT A SHAME.
Black is being a lawyer, a doctor, a professor. Black is working twice as hard and being twice as good. Black is being proud of that and being angry at those who do not celebrate and share your desire to achieve and ascend.
Apparently, we have different definitions of what it means to be black.
Bill Cosby is 100% acurate in with his remarks and if we read his new book, we would all be enlightened. As I read through this post, I am proud that the majority of us get it. I am saddened that there are still some of us that do not. If you step on a dog’s tail….it’s going to bark. We as a people are lost. I am not going to say “us” and “them”….that division is the at the source of our problem. We must unite as a people and educate ourselves and become more progressive. It’s time to stop smoking weed, spending more on our cars then we do our childern’s education. Black men, it is time to stop treating our women like pieces of meat, take care of them….respect them. Black women, it is time to stop placing material wealth ahead of a black man that has a good heart and spirit. That man may need a good women to encourage him to be great. And please people….black men and women alike….take a greater interest in your children. Show them that you love them….tell them that you love them, tell them how beautiful they are….tell them how intellegent they are….teach them what and where they come from….Wake Up !!!!!!!!!!
TO AND:: THE TRUTH HURTS (AND THAT’S THE REAL TRUTH, MANY ARE JUST TO IGNORANT TO KNOW IT)
Stop being so ignorant Bossip. You are the idiot and you are betraying black folk.
Boy do I ever wish I had the energy and focus to chop it up with you guys. It would really make my day go by.
So many essays, I can’t read them all (don’t feel like it). I got here to late. So I guess I’ll just wait until next time.
I HAVE A GREAT QUESTIONS TO THE PEOPLE WHO AGREE WITH BILL. WHAT DIRECTION IS THE COUNTRY GOING IN RIGHT NOW? ALSO DO YOU HAVE ANY IDEA OF WHAT IS GOING ON GLOBALLY? BECAUSE A LOT OF YOU ARE SPEAKING HAS IF THIS IS 1960 AND NOT 2007. WE ARE IN A NEW CENTURY, NEW MILLENIUM AND A NEW AGE. I KNOW YOU MAY THINK THAT YOU HAVE REACHED DESTINY BECAUSE YOU LEARNED “PROPER ENGLISH” OR WHATEVER MAKES YOU FEEL SPECIAL IN FRONT OF YT, BUT PLEASE UPDATER YOUR IDEAS INTO THIS CENTURY. THE BLIND LEADING THE BLIND. WHAT A TRAGEDY!!!!!
Bossip….COME ON NOW….you must realize the Bill is speaking the truth…It’s shame when black people put down education and hype up ghetto ignorance. We as a people need to take responsibility for our children and their education. Bill is not “out of touch”…you are.
Who the hell is BOSSIP to call Bill Cosby an Uncle Tom? You need to check yourself and stop glorifying foolishness.
Tru dat NAIS! Bill has points but the way he’s going about it is all wrong in my opinion. When he says “those people” awe man it burns my soul. He doesn’t know the true struggle of young black people in the world today. Yes he is out of touch and I wish he uses his celeb status in forms of helping instead of “talking *****” with Oprah (the white of all black folks eva) Lay it down Bill and not them dem ho’s you used to laying down either.
I can’t believe what I’m reading:
Are you people actually saying that because he isn’t perfect, his words must be a lie? If that’s the case you must feel the same about Martin Luther King because he cheated on his wife all the time. Sounds more to me like you don’t like the message and you just got lucky that the messenger is someone you can disparage.
Dr. Poussaint is giving the same message. What if someone who had a spotless reputation, like I’m sure all of you do, had it? How would you disregard the statement then?
Stop copping out with this “all poor people aren’t” nonsense. He is NOT, NOT, NOT, NOT, NOT condemning a cl***** of people. He is condemning a way of life. Anyone with half the sense they were born with knows that not all poor people are like that. Oprah, Bill and probably Dr. Poussaint were poor when they were young. To suggest his words are cruel because they are blanket is ridiculous. The only people he is talking about are the people doing the things he is talking about; not any blanket economic group.
Stop trying to dilute the message by asking for solutions. First, the book does have some solutions. Second, there is no SOLUTION. This idea that we are all the same is how we got in this situation. The solution for one person will be different from another, and another.
For all of you who are saying white racist love this; YOU ARE DEAD WRONG. White racist know that the first step to solving a problem is discussing it. They would prefer all of you ignorant folks who want to pretend it isn’t happening or attack back to keep from coming to a solution. You’re the ones they like. They want Bill Cosby to shut up.
@ whatashame
I don’t know how to respone someone help me out. How can I be apart of the problem, when I don’t have kids or buy $500 pair of shoes. There is a difference in black folks. The ones who get up and go to work and the ghetto hoes who stay at home and have 5 or 6 kids! We cleary see you put yourself on blast and now want to tear down the dertermined black souls who contribute to society. Just takes AND advie and __________yourself!
AGAIN ONCE ALL THE FOOLISHNESS STOPS WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO. WHAT IS GOING TO CHANGE. WE NEED TO ANSWERE THIS QUESTION SO THAT WE WILL ALL BE ON THE SAME PAGE WHEN THIS HAPPENS. IF NOT YT WILL JUST FIND SOMETHING ELSE, PERHAPS IT WILL BE THE WAY WE WALK THIS TIME, TO HAVE US BICKERING WHILE THE WORLD GOES BY
And…
What determines a lazy person? Do you consider a black Columbia graduate making six figures less lazy than a black person working for minimum wage?
The majority of poor people work, and since the Welfare Reform of 1996, getting a check every month hardly exist anymore!
You have to know your facts before you call other people lazy. You have to understand poverty is a universal thing.
Your logic is totally flawed and borderline dumb.
Khari sounds so much like a bitter ex-con running out of folks to blame, and as mentioned earlier, he keeps resorting to the same old ignorant name-calling that most people, who have *****ed up their own lives, but are to angry to admit it, do. Just keep blaming others Khari while you continue to grow older and poorer. You defintely have the mentality and faulty reasoning on a convict. Poor thang.
i sorry but I don’t know anyone poor that spend 300 dollar on a pair of shoes.
yes they need to value education…
I put myself thru college….I had a friend who was white. her boyfriend funk out of 3 colleges…his parent paid to get him into another one…
I had a roommate who dated a black guy with well off parent. he flunk out of his 2 colleges and ended up at the one we went to.
it easy to say the poor aren’t helping there kids with education. when people with money just pay for there kids to get out of trouble.
@Jus Another Opinion
I didn’t know how to respond to whatashame’s outrageous rants either so I didn’t. Whoever he or she is they don’t even know cuz he or she is posting contradictions. Who cares?
Cosby wasn’t talking to me or other folks who don’t buy $500.00 shoes or have children or live it the ghetto or live in a bad nieghbor BUT get off they behinds and work and raise their kids instead of grandma or the televison raising them. He wasn’t talking to us, he was talking to your kind. the ones who make excuses for their own failures and counterproductive behavior. If you feel Im part of the problem cause I call out Welfare hoes then so be it. Then there it is.
YUP, IF WE KEEP SITTING ON OUR HANDS BLAMING OTHERS THE ILLEGAL ALIENS IN THIS COUNTRY ARE GONNA P***** US BY. I HAVE SEEN IT ALREADY IN THE CITY I LIVE IN.
Who the ***** buy 500.00 shoes? Seriously, who?
@year right in response to:
i sorry but I don’t know anyone poor that spend 300 dollar on a pair of shoes.
yes they need to value education…
I put myself thru college….I had a friend who was white. her boyfriend funk out of 3 colleges…his parent paid to get him into another one…
I had a roommate who dated a black guy with well off parent. he flunk out of his 2 colleges and ended up at the one we went to.
it easy to say the poor aren’t helping there kids with education. when people with money just pay for there kids to get out of trouble.
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what does your friends or whoever parent’s getting them out of trouble have to do with you??? NOTHING. You just stated you put YOURSELF through college. In my book that makes you a better man (or woman) than anybody whose parents just keep paying for them to go to another school. I don’t give a ***** what everybody else does. I am going to get MY education. Take responsibility for yourself. Education until the college level is free and if you really are poor there are pell grants and loans. There are no excuses for those in our generation who don’t have an education just laziness.
Leon sounds like a typical white person – prejudging without any facts. If you only knew the truth about my life, you’d have egg all over your face. I’m going to do what you’re doing and just *****UME that I’m far more educated and better off financially than you could ever be. “The truth hurts”, doesn’t it?
@ Im tired of dumb black people.
TANF exixts which is another form of welfare. Now BM has come up with a new way of not actually having to work. child support. I can’t tell u how many young girls I know living off of that. I call it child support they call it social security or 401K/.
Like I said before I live in a neighborhood where women are having babies but not working. Everyday I get up and go to my two jobs I have 80 eye***** starring at me. You know its the truth damn just woman up!
AT OPIONION:
1. YOU ARE PART OF THE PROBLEM BECAUSE YOU CANNOT SEE THAT YOU ARE BEING HUSTLED
2.WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE IN BLACK FOLKS. WHAT IN BILL’S STATEMENTS THAT ANYONE OF ANY RACE CANNOT BENEFIT FROM. WHICH GOES BACK TO POINT ONE ABOUT YOU BEING HUSTLED. PLEASE DON’T LET ANYONE DEGRADE YOU OR YOUR RACE FOR THINGS EVERYONE CAN DO. YOU HAVE BEEN RAISED TO BE INFERIOR WHICH IS WHY YOU AGREE WITH SUCH NONSENSE ABOUT YOURSELF.
3. I’M SORRY THAT YOU HAVE TO WORK FOR SOMEONE ELSE. THIS IS THE IGNORANCE I WAS TALKING ABOUT IN POINT 1. INSTEAD OF PUTTING RAPPERS DOWN MAYBE YOU SHOULD LEARN A THING OR TWO LIKE I DID (BECAUSE I’M SMART) AND YOU TWO WILL HAVE YOUR OWN BUSINESS AND BE YOUR OWN BOSS. HOWEVER LISTENING TO BILL INSTEAD OF BLAMING YT JUST BLAME YOUR FELLOW BLACKS FOR YOUR PROBLEMS. WHAT THE DIFFERENCE. REFER TO POINT 1, HUSTLED, BAMBOOZLED, LED ASTRAY.
4. OBVIOUSLY YOU AREN’T TO FAR FROM THE THESE GHETTO BLACKS OR YOU WOULDN’T BE SO ANGRY. AND BACK TO POINT 1, YOU GOT HUSTLED NOT ME. I DON’T FALL FOR IGNORANCE AND I DON’T LET ANYONE TELL ME HOW TO DRESS, TALK, OR ACT
i’m tired of dumb black people
Who the ***** buy 500.00 shoes? Seriously, who?
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Have you ever heard of the shoe “My Super Sweet Sixteen”? Those kids are spending or their parents rather on shoes, bikes, parties, and a bunch of other stuff they don’t need. Granted they are not poor and poor people in the ‘jects ain’t spending that, Bill was exaggerating, but $100 on a pair of shoes is still ridiculous. So the dollar amount that some people are SO hung up on is beside the point. The point is stop spending $100 on things that loose their value to quickly i.e. cars, rims, jewelry, clothes, etc. Spend it on investing, land and education…uh you know things that matter.
I think when Bill “you people” Cosby made the comment about $500 shoes it was an exaggeration but obviously there are parents who buy their kids expensive shoes but can’t afford to pay their bills…
TANF is a temporary solution. It’s not permanent.
Student subsidized loans = welfare.
Student grants are a form of welfare.
Health insurance is a form of welfare.
I’d seriously like to know where you’re from though, because after a certain amount years, a person can no longer receive welfare benefits.
I don’t feel a lazy person is someone making $6.50 school work-study pays that much. McDonald in the hood pays that much. McDonald in the surburbs ($12.00 up another day another post.)
A lazy ***** person is someone not working and making life harder for themselves buy not WORKING and HAVING BABIES they can’t afford. What part of that didn’t you get.
lol….really now?
“INSTEAD OF PUTTING RAPPERS DOWN MAYBE YOU SHOULD LEARN A THING OR TWO LIKE I DID (BECAUSE I’M SMART) AND YOU TWO WILL HAVE YOUR OWN BUSINESS AND BE YOUR OWN BOSS.”
hilarious…good stuff. Good for you bro!
I’m just so glad to read that the majority of these comments do not believe Dr. Bill Cosby is an uncle tom. I understand that the Bossip bloggers are entitled to their opinion, but that title was just not necessary. I not even sure if ‘you people’ know what it means to be an uncle tom. I hoped you watched the show in its entirety; you just may have learned something. Stop insulting every black person who tells the truth about the decline in our community!
@i’m tired of dumb black people
In response to:
What determines a lazy person? Do you consider a black Columbia graduate making six figures less lazy than a black person working for minimum wage?
The majority of poor people work, and since the Welfare Reform of 1996, getting a check every month hardly exist anymore!
You have to know your facts before you call other people lazy. You have to understand poverty is a universal thing.
Your logic is totally flawed and borderline dumb.
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You are trying so hard that you miss the entire post. Read it again and then type. PLEASE!!!!
the fact that you can’t respond shows your ignorance. you have no response. you never heard the things that i’m saying because like i said you were raised to be inferior. you have been left out the loop as to how the country run and the only left to do is blame yourself for problems you don’t even know how to fix. over 50% of the population is living check to check you got folks on here talking like they live in the hamptons or beverly hills. NEWSFLASH: THE MIDDLE CL***** IS DETERMINED BY HOW MUCH MONEY YOU MAKE AND NOT BY HOW PROPER YOU ACT, SPEAK, RAISE KIDS, ETC. GIMMIE A BREAK
If you want to be niave and try and “argue and non exixtent point. Like someone said the rich will get rich and the poor will get poorer(counterproductive behavior) Which category are you in. Keep making excuses, as you can see society doesn’t care.
Student subsidized loans = welfare.
Student grants are a form of welfare.
Health insurance is a form of welfare. (agreed Meidicade) are your babies on it?
AT COMMON SENSE: I GLAD YOU THINK IT’S FUNNY. WE LIVE IN AMERICA, A CAPITALISTIC SOCIETY. I WANT YOU TO LAUGH. MORE FOR ME.
The people at my job did everything to emotionally hinder me. So, you can’t say that this has nothing to do with whites. How would you feel if you watched the entire staff in your office get invited to THREE weddings (the female office manager’s daughters), and you, the only black face, was excluded. As I go, so goes the rest of my family. Yes, I’m bitter and rightfully so.
Stan wherever you are I applaud you and tank you for realizing my pain As a 30 year old doctoral stuent born and raised in the lovely cmmunity of North Philadelphia, this transition that I am seeing gin my city, hurts. Umm Yeah you choose the exact right name because WTF you been living that you agree with Bill Cosby. True it is his opinion, but I have lived around many culture and we are not the only ones with these issues and this man has never done anything for the community he grew up in, my Grandmother want to elementary school with him, and while I respect what he has brought to the creative side of Arts/AA in the media, he has no right to “Uncle Tom” his own people. I do not care how you swing it, I would not sit with a group of white people and down my down culture. That is a deep form of self hate.
Stan my community was beautiful, they looked out for each other, the pastor new the community and so did the beat cops. I went down there the other day and besids all those nasty Temple (my worthless Alma mater) students, the face of the community has changed. We are n longer the majority, and Street’s need to make PhillyN with all those lofts and apts, has made me want t leave this city because it has no character. I have many degree, and I have fought toothin nail to get recognition and I understand EXATLY what STAN is talking about because I am dealing with it right now, No amount of education will mean a damn thing if you do not know someone in America. Forget what they told you…WhenI have children, I want all of them to go to HBCU’s ( I got accepted to a lot, but my scholarships where not accepted.)I always took the academic road, and have been treated like crap by “professionals”. I always wanted to be a doctor, but my pursuit now is just to survive and have enough educational credentials that they cannot say we can only pay you anymore, when I am done I will work for myself, in NP with my community While I love all people, I AM NP, and I AM A BLACK WOMAN. I actually me OPRAH here and she does for her community Google it..I do not know what “good” you guys are from but my all the grandmothers I know(and some are in the projects)watch Oprah. Get your facts straight. Cosby and been p***** Broad & Montgomery in a long time, he need to talk to Will/Jada whose Foundation actully works in the community. Charley Mack, Men United, All I ever knew abut Mt. Airy was that the girls were easy(all my brothers girlfriends), we had rules and values, houses with furniture.
My advice to the kids is, Get a government or state job and have the pay(for free) fo your education. I wish someoe would have told me that..Much love 2 North Philly for being my village…
AT COMMON SENSE: CONTINUE TO BE A CONSUMER. A WELL BEHAVED ONE I MIGHT ADD.
@Shawn
“I’m just so glad to read that the majority of these comments do not believe Dr. Bill Cosby is an uncle tom.”
So am I. There are still some knuckle heads but aren’t there always.
@WHATASHAME!!
I think someone got a hold of mommy’s computer. Does she know you’re on it? I can’t respond to what you’re saying because IT’S ALL IN CAPS AND MAKES NO SENSE.
Also, anyone who says, “learn from the”….oh wait, my bad, “LEARN FROM THE RAPPERS LIKE I DID (BECAUSE I’M SMART)” deserves to be laughed and and considered a child. It’s that type of ridiculousness that is crippling our youth. A young black kid needs to get an education and learn how to play the system. I can *****ure you that there a hundreds more of us on wall street than there are “keeping it real” dressing like they want and speaking like they want “like the RAPPERS!”
Now go watch some cartoons, or buy some $500 sneakers.
Bossip, you are most likely the only ‘one’ that thinks Bill Cosby is an uncle tom. That is the most ridiculous statement I’ve read on these posts. We really do need to wake up and realize that ‘we’ are who is holding ‘us’ back. Is racism in the past? Of course not. However, the way we are behaving is having the most negative impact on ‘us’ as a whole. We as a whole don’t vote, don’t read, don’t value education…I could go on. This is why we have a hard time competing in the nation/world. IF you don’t vote (after researching the candidates) you don’t get anything to improve your community. Other ethnicities have banded together and pulled themselves up to make positive changes for their communities and future generations, they didn’t just sit back and complain and do nothing. Please stop being petty and focusing on what he’s done in the past (personal life) or why he ‘has waited so long to say something’. Bill Cosby did give solutions-stop spending idiotic amounts of money on things that have NO value-clothes, shoes. Encourage fathers who didn’t have their fathers and so don’t know the importance of being in their children’s lives to be there.
There are plenty of quality places to shop where parents can find good quality clothing at affordable prices. I have a college degree, and a job with a good salary. Believe me, I didn’t come from a family with money and myself and my husband worked hard (with 3 children) to make this happen. I am working towards an advanced degree and wouldn’t dream of spending the type of money on clothes that some of these parents who don’t have education or decent jobs spend on their children. We don’t buy any clothing that isn’t on sale-a great sale (we all dress nicely I might add). If they have money to spend on mess like that, they DO have it to spend towards education. Even if it’s only to keep open communication with the teachers- go to open house for pete’s sake- that will do so many of our youth a world of good. It may take a few generations to turn things around for some groups of people (low socioeconomic backgrounds), but it CAN be done. We have to first make attempts to do better, and never give up; NOTHING worth having is easy to get. Keep in mind that I am not speaking about all people in this situation- those that don’t have decent jobs and don’t live in the best of neighborhoods- I know all that do don’t carry on this way; there are hard-working people that do the absolute best they can for their children. Please never make another post like this again-I’m very disappointed in this.
IT’S SAD THAT WE HAVE SUCH LOW SELF-ESTEEM THAT WE THINK HAVING OUR OWN BUSINESS IS FUNNY. THE ONLY THING WE ASTRIVE FOR IT SEEMS IS TO IMPRESS YT. THAT IS SO LAST CENTURY, ISN’T IT?
To those that want to know why Cosby’s comments are important, or thought they were too harsh…Read this article:
DNA Discoverer: Blacks Less Intelligent Than Whites
wanted to add at least someone taking out a loan is IN SCHOOL. And also dear you have to pay them Sub. loans back. You don’t pay TANF back.
Student subsidized loans = welfare. (don’t agree)
Student grants are a form of welfare.( don’t agree)
Health insurance is a form of welfare. (agreed Medicade) are your babies on it?
As far as I’m concerned the Uncle Tom’s and House Negros are those who support those whose policies and practices continue the legacy of slavery by continuing to stifle black growth and avancement – And that’s the Democrat Party who is aided and abetted by so-called Black Leaders
• Democrats supported slavery and fought and gave their lives to expand it
• Democrats p*****ed the Fugitive Slave Laws of 1793 and 1854
• Democrats p*****ed the Missouri Compromise of 1820 to protect slavery
• Democrats p*****ed the Kansas Nebraska Act of 1854 to expand slavery (the Republican Party was founded in 1854 in opposition this Act and slavery in genral)
• Democrats supported and backed the Dread Scott decision of 1857
• Democrats supported and p*****ed Jim Crow Laws and Black Codes (Republicans fought to end Jim Crow Laws and Black Codes)
• Democrats opposed the Freedman’s Bureau of 1865 as it pertained to blacks
• Democrats opposed the Eman*****tion Proclamation of 1863 (Republican President Abraham Lincoln made the decree and signed it into law)
• Democrats opposed the 13th (1865), 14th (1866), and 15th (1869) Amendments to end slavery, make blacks citizens, and to grant blacks the right to vote (Radical and Moderate Republicans helped draft and p*****ed these Amendments)
• Democrats opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1866 (A Republican controlled congress p*****ed this Act over the veto of Democrat President Andrew Johnson)
• Democrats establish the Ku Klux Klan (1866) as the terrorist arm of the Democratic Party to oppose reconstruction efforts of Black and White Republicans and any and all civil rights granted to free Black people
• Democrats opposed the Reconstruction Act of 1867 (A Republican controlled congress again p*****es Act over the veto of Democrat President Andrew Johnson)
• Democrats opposed the Ku Klux Klan Act of 1871 (Republican controlled Congress p*****es the Act and Republican President Ulysees S. Grant signs into law)
• Democrats opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1875 (Republican controlled Congress p*****es Act and Republican President Ulysees S. Grant signs into law)
• Many Democrats (not all) opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1957 (Republicans helped p***** and Republican President “Ike” Eisenhower signed into law)
• Many Democrats (not all) opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (80% of Republicans voted in favor as opposed to 60% of Democrats)
• Many Democrats (not all) opposed the Voting Rights Act of 1965 (Republicans overwhelmingly supported the Act, G.W. Bush extended the Act in 2006)
• The Democratic Party was known as the “Party of White Supremacy” from 1792 to 1962 producing racists propaganda like The Birth of a Nation (an anti-republican KKK glorification film, The Clansman, The Leopard’s Spot, racists tracks, etc.
• Today the Democratic Party continues to advance policies and practices that persist to cause great damage and detriment to black Americans everywhere and they have yet to acknowledge or publicly apologize for these atrocities committed against black people in the name of their party.
@Common Sense
Thank you.
@Concerned for US
I applaud you. I am not a mother but would like to be one day.
An excerpt from that article…
James D. Watson, 79, co-discoverer of the DNA helix and winner of the 1962 *****el Prize in medicine, told the Sunday Times of London that he was “inherently gloomy about the prospect of Africa” because “all our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours — whereas all the testing says not really.”
He recognized that the prevailing belief was that all human groups are equal, but that “people who have to deal with black employees find this not true.”
…“If you are really stupid, I would call that a disease,” said Watson, according to New Scientist magazine. “The lower 10 percent who really have difficulty, even in elementary school, what’s the cause of it?
“A lot of people would like to say, ‘Well, poverty, things like that.’ It probably isn’t,” he added. “So I’d like to get rid of that, to help the lower 10 percent.”
Wake up people. The world thinks were stupid. We do our best to prove them wrong and then we get mad at Cosby for pointing it out.
Love Bossip, but the editors are wrong to accuse Cosby of being a Tom. Is he heavyhanded? Yes. But he speaks truth, and what he is really talking about is Black folks Fear of Success, and how we have allowed fear to fester within our community and become a cancer. So, it follows that laziness, misogyny, self-hate, physical and mental disease, (anti)hero-worship–all this stuff is killing us. We consume and don’t save. We try to live the life of others rather than the one the universe has actually provided. all really boring stuff, but those stats that Oprah spat at the beginning of the clip are REAL. Bossip readers AND writing staff better check their priorities. Who’s REALLY the Uncle Tom?
I don’t think Bill is a Tom but I do think that he is in the same category as a lot of these other “Black Leaders” or so called “Black Moguls” or whatever. I mean we all know the problems with our community I mean I have yet to hear Bill say what the solution is..Hell my Uncle says the same stuff but he also had a solution by making sponsorships for kids with good grades and student athletes who can’t afford to go to the sports camps and college combines like other kids..and my uncle isn’t a Multi millionaire. So what is Bill’s idea. Last time I checked chief you had cheated on your wife. So just like us all you need to get your home straight first before you start telling other people what to do in there home.
I can truly relate to Cosby’s opinions and all of his *****ing. You see, I’m a gay male. I’m tired of black people looking down on me for that fact alone.
EVERYTHING THAT BILL SAID IS RIGHT.HE JUST NEEDS TO PUT MORE BLAME ON THE SINGLE MOTHERS.THESE ARE WOMEN WHO ARE NEVER HAD MEN IN THE LIVES AND TRY TO RAISE A BOY INTO A MAN.ITS JUST CAN’T HAPPEN.ALSO THE HANDFUL OF SUCCESFUL BLACK MEN RAISED BY SINGLE WOMEN MEANS NOTHING.
This fool is a f*cking joke people need to wake up and read between the lines. On Meet the press this fool talked about people with money are treated better in the legal system.
So Bill is that what happened with all the women you druged and raped?
And…
You are a very uneducated person. Just because you have two jobs doesn’t mean you’re better than others. You need to take a sociology cl***** at your local communty college to understand society as a whole.
We are living in a capatilistic country for crying out loud. Capitalism breeds poverty! I suggest you take a sociology cl***** of some sort, to better understand systems in this world.
In 2007, many of the members of the current generation are forced to live in their mother’s basements because of lack of jobs in America. Faulty government policies are creating problems for us wage slaves.
The rate of homelessness in this country has increased over the past years as well! Not to mention the fact that the middle cl***** is declining, and the rich is getting richer! These factors are not attributed to laziness or lack of personal responsibility by the common people, but the system in which we live in.
Just look at the average job fairs around the country – people from all backgrounds and walks of life are desperate for employment!
@Jus Another Opinion in response to”
“Student subsidized loans = welfare. (don’t agree)
Student grants are a form of welfare.( don’t agree)
Health insurance is a form of welfare. (agreed Medicade) are your babies on it?”
I was on Medicade all my life so I was on welfare? I didn’t ask to be born to a crack head mother who left me with my elderly grandmother who had already raised all four of her kids and was now raising all four of her granddaughters and taking care of her elderly mother while working full time at a penitentiary. Children on medicade b/c their trifling ***** parents won’t do better is different than those on medicade b/c they have no choice.
Although I have a problem with the messenger, the message is right on point. That’s where my focus lay. When Bill first made this statement, I remember hearing people saying “who is he to talk”. They were defensive. The truth hurts. Parents need to stop trying to be their child’s friend and start being their parent. The government is trying to concentrate on making laws for BS, they need to make laws on who should and shouldn’t be allowed to have children. Real talk!
At Common Sense: I hope this is better for you. First of all, I am not a child. If a child can be a part of this conversation should tell how ignorant the topic is. Second, yes I did learn a lot from the rappers. Like I said in a previous post I AM SMART, so when I hear that someone made $100 million dollars a smart person turns their head and finds out what that person did. You best believe that YT is wathching rappers hard while they SHAME US OUT OF RAP, so they can PICK WHERE WE LEFT OFF. So that’s a tip for those who are longing to be white. Pay close attention to those who make money.
Third, please learn not to accept everything someone says on TV or in some report, or whatever. Always ask questions and don’t allow anyone to form your opinion. Because anyone who thinks making money is silly and at the same time is parti*****ting in a discussion that is discussing things that would improve one’s economic situation has definitely been duped. Now was that better? My mommy wrote it for me
@i’m tired of dumb black people
In response to:
You are a very uneducated person. Just because you have two jobs doesn’t mean you’re better than others. You need to take a sociology cl***** at your local communty college to understand society as a whole.
We are living in a capatilistic country for crying out loud. Capitalism breeds poverty! I suggest you take a sociology cl***** of some sort, to better understand systems in this world.
In 2007, many of the members of the current generation are forced to live in their mother’s basements because of lack of jobs in America. Faulty government policies are creating problems for us wage slaves.
The rate of homelessness in this country has increased over the past years as well! Not to mention the fact that the middle cl***** is declining, and the rich is getting richer! These factors are not attributed to laziness or lack of personal responsibility by the common people, but the system in which we live in.
Just look at the average job fairs around the country – people from all backgrounds and walks of life are desperate for employment!
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You did all that ranting for nothing. If “In 2007, many of the members of the current generation are forced to live in their mother’s basements because of lack of jobs in America” then why are illegal aliens risking there lives to get here? Oh I remember to find work. If there was no work here they would not be coming. You ‘trying’ to insult my intelligence is not only immature but ineffective.
The solution doesnt always mean give money, or scholarships, which Cosby does by the way, the solution may be reminding you of the problems/mistakes and pitfalls repeatedly so you learn not to make them or avoid them.
If you don’t stand for something, ie. self-pride, agreeing not to let anyone degrade you for ratings, or to sell books) you will fall for anything as this post seem to prove
Why is it that when this issue surfaces in our community everyone always gets into a *****ing contest to see who can recite the most facts/stats? We know we are in bad shape. The focus should be on the larger principles or lack thereof that are at play. Namely: Fear, Procastination, Greed, Laziness, and plain old Ignorance in the Black Community. All SELF-Actualized. Even if you are on welfare there are things that can be done to combat those things and get you and your family out of that cycle. I think that’s where Cosby’s conversation’s arc is.
I wholeheartedly agree with Cosby’s message but I disagree with the messenger. All of the issues that Cosby is talking about didn’t just crop up overnight. Ebonics/slang (or whatever you want to call it) didn’t originate with rap music. African-Americans have been speaking their own creolized pidgen form of English since slavery. I have no problem with Black folks speaking in Ebonics as long as they are aware of the fact that there is a time and place for that form of dialect (ex. speaking among friends, family) and speaking standard English (ex. when in a professional setting). Cosby’s complete disdain for “slang” and his reprimand of Blacks for using that language – no matter the setting – is troubling to me. In Jamaica, where my family and I are from people constantly shift between patois (slang) and the Queen’s English. As a student you know that standard English MUST be spoken in the cl*****room and patois is strictly reserved for the streets. Take my mother for example – at home her accent and use of patois is heavy but if you called her work number you would swear that the woman on the other end of the phone is white woman. A lot of Hispanics and other ethnic groups (Irish, Italians etc.) use their own form of slang at home and standard English at work. My point is that to say that Ebonics is completely unacceptable and connotates “a lack of intelligence” is demeaning. Instead he should send the message that speaking in such a manner is inappropriate under CERTAIN cir*****stances.
Secondly, Cosby is acting as though in 2004 there was a m*****ive exodus of Black men from the Black family infrastructure. There have been Black absentee fathers in the 70s, 80s and 90s. The current situation didn’t happen overnight. Where was Cosby in the 80s and 90s? Why was he not spewing this “clean up the Black community” message then? He was clearly too busy with his career and trying to add more capital in his bank account back then that he was oblivious to the problems. I propose that instead of having that show “Kids say the Darnest Thing” he should have been spending that time sending the message he is trying to bombard poor Blacks with now.
Third, Oprah asked Cosby what kind of father he is and I believed he replied a “great father”. In the book, he and Dr. Pouisaant went on a rant about absentee fathers which I totally agree is an issue in our community. However, Mr. Cosby fails to realize that sending a child support check or hush money to the mother of your illegitimate children does not make up for the fact that his presence in that child’s life was indeed one of “absence”.
All of the blights in the Black community that Cobsy mentioned are true. But, when he and Dr. Pouissant stated that we beat our kids too much and in a sense that spanking was wrong I realized that both of those men have been living in white America too long. The problem is that we don’t beat our childrens’ *****es ENOUGH!! My mom gave me my first whooping when I was two years old for throwing tantrum in the corner store because she wouldn’t buy me any candy. Please believe I never tried that crap again. And over the next 13 years I still got my tail whooped. That’s why I am now a 23 year old law school student now. Thank you Mom and Dad for kicking my ***** – without that I don’t no where I would have ended up.
man ***** bill…..who need college.
all that time for bull***** gigs!!!
payin back loans! im 26 i need M.I.A 6 times a year!
i grew up in Richard Allen like homie i seen him once he never looked out!
Rest in Peace Kevin Hawkins….he looked out!
@ whatashame
Children on medicade b/c their trifling ***** parents won’t do better is different than those on medicade b/c they have no choice.
^^^^^^
I knew the truth would come out sooner or later. Those are the kind of people I’m talking about. By the way my father was on dope for 17 yrs of my life and my mom raised by brother and myself by herself. I didn’t turn out like she did. That was my point.
You hate to admit it but you saw what the hell everyone is talking about cause you wouldn’t have made that point about medicade.
@WHATASHAME!!!
You typed “Like I said in a previous post I AM SMART, so when I hear that someone made $100 million dollars a smart person turns their head and finds out what that person did.” So if they made their money selling drugs to children, promoting child *****ography, or exstortion I guess you wouldn’t have a problem with that since all you looking at is who is making the money and not how they are making it. You are beyond sad. YOU ARE PATHETIC.
To those that want to know why Cosby’s comments are important, or thought they were too harsh…Read this article:
DNA Discoverer: Blacks Less Intelligent Than Whites
An excerpt from that article…
James D. Watson, 79, co-discoverer of the DNA helix and winner of the 1962 *****el Prize in medicine, told the Sunday Times of London that he was “inherently gloomy about the prospect of Africa” because “all our social policies are based on the fact that their intelligence is the same as ours — whereas all the testing says not really.”
He recognized that the prevailing belief was that all human groups are equal, but that “people who have to deal with black employees find this not true.”
…“If you are really stupid, I would call that a disease,” said Watson, according to New Scientist magazine. “The lower 10 percent who really have difficulty, even in elementary school, what’s the cause of it?
“A lot of people would like to say, ‘Well, poverty, things like that.’ It probably isn’t,” he added. “So I’d like to get rid of that, to help the lower 10 percent.”
Wake up people. The world thinks were stupid. We do our best to prove them wrong and then we get mad at Cosby for pointing it out.
The Cos is speaking knowledge…BOSSIP is an “Uncle Tom” for even trying to criticize Mr Cosby. Instead, criticizing him, you should proliferate his wisdom!
I’m down with The Cos and all he stands for. “Hey.. Hey.. Hey..”
Normally, I don’t respond to these posts, but this one is really disturbing. Common Sense, what makes you think whites are any more accepting of homosexuality than we are. Your posts are especially brutal. I really do not believe tha name-calling is necessary. You’re gay – so what? Also, does anyone have any solutions since many of you seem to agree with Cosby?
Did they ever find out who killed his son?
Here is my suggestion to everyone…READ the following book by Michael Eric Dyson:
“Is Bill Cosby Right? Or has the black middle clas lost its mind?”
http://www.michaelericdyson.com/cosby/index.html
Good book, good debate.
And…
MEDICAID IS WELFARE! You see, I told you you were misinformed.
Please do your research on what welfare means, hun!
clas = cl***** (typo)
@ Cleveland Lady
Have you not been ready the post. Solutions are….
1. Go to college
2. Stop having babies you can’t support.
3. Get rid of that no good man that ain’t working (will only bring you down.)
4. Become a mentor in the community ( I volunteer my time to youth, counsel them about safe sex practices.
Just to name a few….
@i’m tired of dumb black people
Good lord. You’ve got a lot of nerve calling someone else “uneducated.” Just because one took sociology, hardly makes them educated.
But anyway…Good for you, you took a few sociology cl*****es, and maybe you took AfAms too. So NOW you’re going to lecture us on capitalism?
If capitalism is so bad, then why do we have so many people trying to immigrate to America? Why do we have the world’s most propserous population of African people (FACT). Please show me a “non-capitalist” nation that you’d prefer.
This is the only country in the world where people like Oprah and Kenneth Chennault exists. They were able to make themselves because of evil capitalism.
The great thing about capitalism is that it rewards those who are motivated and punishes those who are not. Unfortunately, a lot of trust-fund babies get created in the process. But f-them, let’s create our own trust fund babies. If we want, it’s possible.
Oh, and we have the lowest unemployment of any western nation. Maybe you’d prefer socialist France, where unemployment hovers around 15-20%. No thanks.
^^^^@ Cleveland Lady have you not been READING the prior post.
I’m sorry but “Ebonics” is unacceptable and does give the impression that the user is unintelligent and unable to master the language. That doesnt meant they ARE unintelligent. However, the HR person interviewing the Ebonics user for the job may never get a chance to find out about their intelligence b/c after hearing them speak…they were no longer considered for the job.
Dr.Watson isn’t the only one to say that believe me. I go to school with a lot of different races other than white, and many of them are beginning to believe the same thing, only they don’t write and lecture about it. Folks if we don’t get it together, the world is going to turn against us and we will be out there on our own; with no one to blame but ourselves. We walked away from personal responsibility in the 1960’s to let welfare take care of our families. We have free education in this country let we refuse to go to school and buckle down to learn. We have allowed the lowest-common denominator in our race (rappers and dumb athletes) to define us as a people. Yeah, we are in trouble and sometimes I really do understand why people think this way about us.Too many of us act as if life is a carnival that never ends; dancing, singing, jiving around, while others pursue the higher things in life.
@ Common Sense
In New York City, the unemployment rate for young black men is 50%.
@Common Sense
Thank you. Some of these people really think they are it.
And…
Are you saying America’s job market is not in a horrid state today? Because I’d be glad to prove you wrong!!!
When those who criticize Bill Cosby present their receipts of how they’ve given upwards of what, 75 million to the Black Commuity, then maybe I’ll listen to them. Mr. Cosby put his MONEY where his mouth is long ago. Before there was an Oprah, Mr. Cosby was THE Philanthropis of the Black Community. He walked the walk WITH HIS OWN MONEY.
THIS IS A CAPITALISM COUNTRY.IF YOU WANT EVERYONE TO HAVE THE SAME AMOUNT OF MONEY GO TO CUBA OR CHINA.THERE YOU WILL FIND THE REAL POOR PEOPLE.AS FOR BILL,HOW IS HE AN UNCLE TOM?FOR TELLING THE TRUTH?OUR BLACK MEN NEED TO CARING MORE ABOUT MAKING MONEY THAN A GIRL WITH A BIG *****.WHEN THAT CYCLE CHANGES YOU WILL BE OK.
Jus another opinion – we’ve all heard this rhetoric for the past 30 years. I was thinking that with Cosby’s latest round of criticism, he had come up with something new by now. Either that, or he ought to keep quiet and let the real “losers” do the work.
i’m tired of dumb black people
And…
MEDICAID IS WELFARE! You see, I told you you were misinformed.
Please do your research on what welfare means, hun!
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Okay, ‘I’m misinformed’. So what would you have my grandmother do with a 3 year toddler with an ear infection or how about my sister who accidentally drank some bleach. Should we suffer b/c of our mothers chooses?
CLEVELAND LADY. You got the wrong dude. Not gay, never said I was.
Not that there’s anything wrong with that……:)
PA-pause there lil bumble bee. How is Bill Cosby telling the truth about a section of the black community being an Uncle Tom? At least he takes the time to speak out and try to help the black community. The Uncle Toms are the artist, actors and athletes that only use the black community to further their payrolls, with complete disregard to the longevity of our race as a hole.
You stated it LOUD AND CLEAR – have you read all of the prior posts??
I WOULD ALSO LIKE TO ADD THAT IT IS HARDER FOR A BLACK MAN TO GET HIRED BECAUSE THE PEOPLE WHO ARE DOING THE HIRING ARE SCARED OF US OR IF WE DO GET THE JOB THE FIRST MISTAKE WE MAKE WE ARE FIRED.AGAIN THERE IS ALOT OF MONEY OUT THERE,BUT YOU HAVE TO CHASE IT.
@i’m tired of dumb black people
No, once again I’m not trying to say, I just said. You stated “In 2007, many of the members of the current generation are forced to live in their mother’s basements because of lack of jobs in America.” I simply pointed out that if there were no jobs then people would not be coming to America finding work. I see you that missed that. Also, those people you spoke of what is their education level since “many of the members of the current generation” are “forced” to live this way?
God,
So, we’re at a disadvantage. Cosby should have elaborated on this obvious fact before hurling sweeping accusations. I’m entitled to my opinion just as much as the next person.
At And: I’t not my fault that you have been taught to hate yourself and to be inferior. I am not going to stop learning from these people because of what someone says. YOUR ARE THE PATHETIC ONE FOR OVERLOOKING SOMEONE’S SUCCESS BASED ON COLOR. And these kids that everyone is saying is suffering so much. It’s funy that before they had these financial experts to look up to *****oy gave a damn. Now a rapper makes $400 million dollars and they’re doomed? Well describe a time when our black youth or black people were doing so well, right didn’t think so. Anyway, continued to being duped.
I really agree with some of the more enlightned people out there. It is obvious that Bill Cosby is making a generalization and of course there are black individuals who prioritize correctly. But the truth is that not enough Black individuals know what is important! I am fortunate to go to an ivy league school and i see this problem everyday. Some are more concerned with having fresh gear and women. When it comes to graduation time- they wander why the dont have a job.
P.S – shame on Bossip. I like this blog a lot, but for goodness sake use some common sense.
I really agree with some of the more enlightned people out there. It is obvious that Bill Cosby is making a generalization and of course there are black individuals who prioritize correctly. But the truth is that not enough Black individuals know what is important! I am fortunate to go to an ivy league school and i see this problem everyday. Some are more concerned with having fresh gear and women. When it comes to graduation time- they wander why the dont have a job.
P.S – shame on Bossip. I like this blog a lot, but for goodness sake use some common sense.
@ Damon
I agree.
I work in the Nuclear Industry. I am the only Black man in my company other than a woman in HR whom I have yet to meet. I’ve had people walk into my office and immediately think they must have made a mistake. Blacks and Whites.
Cosby is right Education comes first! Get to know your childs teachers!
US UMEMPLOYMENT RATE: 4.7%
http://www.bls.gov/
If it’s 50% for black men in NY, then maybe black men in NY need to ask themselves some questions. Indians and East Asians sure as hell aren’t anywhere near that amount, but they come from cultures where being unemployed and uneducated is a disgrace. Why isn’t it a disgrace in our community to be uneducated? Why is graduating from Junior high so special? Hell, why is graduating high school a big deal? I can *****ure Raj, and Ming’s families aren’t holding a big celebrating for them graduating high school.
@Damon. You make a crucial point. I encountered this racism in undergrad. Many Asian students are definitely beginning to believe we are inferior and some of us seem all to happy to prove them right.
Very Good point!
@ PA pause
Great subject, believe me bossip should open a post on that. I beleive althletes should do more. The minute they are in trouble, Kobe, Vick, TO. they run back to our community.
Someone finally spoke up. What about the men in the sports world who date white and light women. (shaq, kobe and Oj. Women always want to tear a GOOD sista down, and these men do whatever the hell they want while when a few of us that do STAND UP. We get the 3rd….It’s time for Good black folks to unite and let Welfare hoes and The real Uncle Tom “althletes” hear what we have to say.
@NDUBUISI
YOU ARE 100 PERCENT RIGHT ON BLACK MEN WANTING TO BE FRESH AND WANTING WOMEN.MY FATHER ALWAYS TOLD ME TO MAKE MONEY AND EVERYTHING WILL FOLLOW.AND ONCE YOU SEE DOES ZEROS IN THE BANK ACOUNT ALL THE “BEING FRESH”STUFF WILL MEAN LESS TO YOU.
@CLEVELAND LADY
You stated it LOUD AND CLEAR – have you read all of the prior posts??
lol!!!!
there’s an imposter….I just saw that post above….
Really, not on the DL (a message board DL at that!)
Common sense, you don’t see any racism in that huge unemployment rate.
@ Cleveland Lady
he did elaborate:
The path from victims to victors
On what it takes:
“What will it take to pull our people out of poverty? What will get us to contemplate a life with brighter dreams? What will inspire us to pursue the future as if it mattered? How will we learn to respect ourselves and help each other? What will it take for us to become entrepreneurs and to run businesses that will serve the community, not destroy it? We ask these questions only because we think there are answers, real ones, attainable ones.”
On criticism:
“Certain people tell us that we are picking on the poor. Many of those who accuse us are scholars and intellectuals, upset that we are not blaming everything on white people as they do. Well, only blaming the system keeps certain black people in the limelight but it also keeps the black poor wallowing in victimhood.”
On raising children:
“All black parents can do right by their children, and all black children can succeed. There is no reason why not.”
“Use standard English when you have your kids together, not Black English. They’ll hear enough of that in the streets…Watch the movie My Fair Lady. All cultures discriminate against people who have not mastered the standard language, and when race is involved, it is all that much harder for a nonstandard speaker to feel competent or even at home in the culture.”
On the media:
“Some of the most negative images of African Americans on TV and in the movies seem to be the most popular among young people—black and white. With both good and bad media out there, you have to help select media for kids that will support their successes and suppress their urge to give up or drop out.”
On black men:
“Gangsta rap makes our young people tough, but not so tough they can walk through prison walls. It can jazz them about sex, but it can’t begin to make them a good father. No matter how often, or how publicly they grab their crotches, crotch-grabbing isn’t even going to get them a bus ride downtown.”
“When all is said and done, the black child is our future. It’s time for us men to think of the future, to straighten out our acts, to say to ourselves, I am more interested in raising my child than any other issue I had before. I’m going to behave or get help, but it’s about the child. No matter how useless or hopeless a father may think he is, his role is simply to be there. If he makes that commitment, he is a much better man than he thought he was.”
On “victimhood”:
“Sometimes people with a victim mentality feel hopeless and do self-destructive things that make their lives even worse. It is time to redirect that energy. It is time to think positively and act positively. Black communities and families must provide our youth with the love and guidance that keeps them strong and on that positive path. Blaming white people can be a way for some black people to feel better about themselves but it doesn’t pay the electric bills.”
@WHATASHAME!!!
You typed:
I’t not my fault that you have been taught to hate yourself and to be inferior. I am not going to stop learning from these people because of what someone says. YOUR ARE THE PATHETIC ONE FOR OVERLOOKING SOMEONE’S SUCCESS BASED ON COLOR.
1.Stop telling people what they have been taught sweetheart you don’t know. That statements make you seem very insecure about your own intelligence b/c you keep telling other they are dumb and saying how smart you are. EX: Like I said in a previous post I AM SMART.
2.I never said anything about overlooking anyone’s success based on color so WTF are you talking about. Proof of what I typed.”You typed “Like I said in a previous post I AM SMART, so when I hear that someone made $100 million dollars a smart person turns their head and finds out what that person did.” So if they made their money selling drugs to children, promoting child *****ography, or exstortion I guess you wouldn’t have a problem with that since all you looking at is who is making the money and not how they are making it. You are beyond sad. YOU ARE PATHETIC.”
PLEASE READ AND RE-READ BEFORE YOU TYPE.
~~sigh~~
All these sermons…
If we all could just join hands and sing either “We are the World”, “Kum-by-yah” and what not.
K-Dogg,
I wasn’t referring to elaborating in a book written by Dr. Pouissant – I mean when he’s on stage in dark sungl*****es screaming obscenities.
HAVE YOU GUYS EVER SEEN A SINGLE BLACK MOTHER WITH THER SON?THEY ACT AS IF THE SON IS THE CAUSE OF ALL THERE PROBLEM…..
i saw this show and agreed with everything he said…. black folks need to start looking at our selves more
@WHATASHAME!
You are such a Donkey. I want to ignore you, but I fear your ignorance will spread. The reason “And..” and others are discounting the fact Jay-Z or Diddy, or any other athlete or Rapper made millions, tens of millions, or even hundreds of millions is that IT’S A *****ING PIPE DREAM. IT’S UNREALISITIC AND IT’S A DISTRACTION FROM WHAT WILL REALLY UPLIFT OUR PEOPLE.
DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT? NO ONE IS DISCOUTING THE ACCOMPLISHMENTS OF SEAN CARTER OR SEAN COMBS, but that’s not realistic. I can *****ure you, racism and all, there are more black millionaires on Wall St. than there are from Hip-hop. SEVERAL TIMES MORE. More black millionaire lawyers than in hip-hop. We need to be giving realistic guidance to our children, not steering them to career’s in which 1 in a billion are successful.
Oh, and if you think the Jigga man goes into a meeting with executives and is like, “yawmean son, def jam be making that chedda! You feel me mayne” well, then you are truly a moron.
Common Sense, why do you call France Socialist?
France still have colonies for cryng out loud! There’s nothing “socialist” about France, k?
Also, why do you only factor in the unemployment rate when comparing ountries? As of today, Scandanavian countries are ranked way higher than the US and UK in terms standard of living. In fact, the “land of the free” is one of the lowest ranked!
The cost of living in America is high, compared to other industrialized countries. Foreclosure is at an all time high across the United States.
Norway, the UK, and Japan have lower unemployment rates than the US, so you’re wrong!
Oh, and if you think the Jigga man goes into a meeting with executives and is like, “yawmean son, def jam be making that chedda! You feel me mayne” well, then you are truly a moron.
LMAO……………………….WOW ha ha!
@lacyd
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All these sermons…
If we all could just join hands and sing either “We are the World”, “Kum-by-yah” and what not.
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I know, right? All I can do is my part. I don’t speak for every black person nor am I responsible for every black person. The bible I read says to love your neighbor. It does not specify race, gender, economic status, or sexual orientation. I can only do what I can do, and as for every one else I don’t know if we will ever make it or if Dr.Martin Luther King’s dream will ever been anything more thatn just a dream.
Bill is full of *****. watching him on Tv made my stomach turn!!!
As I watched Bill, Oprah and Dr Puss-ant, I could’ve sworn I was watching Amos & Andy along with Aunt Jemima.
Can old Black people talk about anything other than gangster rap ?
PA Pause said:
…The Uncle Toms are the artist, actors and athletes that only use the black community to further their payrolls, with complete disregard to the longevity of our race as a whole….
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I agree with you.
Check this:
According to Forbes.com, the top five “Hip-Hop Cash Kings” (based on 2006 income) are:
1. Jay-Z $34 (million)
2. 50 Cent $32
3. Diddy $28
4. Timbaland $21
5. Dr. Dre $20
But Cosby is the enemy?
CLEVELAND LADY, if you are unemployed in this economy, meaning, you can’t find ANY job, then it’s YOUR fault. My wife, a black women, just moved to NY and found a job within a month (I already had a job). My best friend, also a black man, just moved to NY and found a job in a week (and these aren’t low paying jobs).
Sorry, you can blame racism for not getting that promotion, but if you are unemployed for longer than a few months, IT’S YOUR FAULT.
Common Sense,
STOP your BULL***** PREACHING about what direction we need to guide black children , since being a millionaire is the only *****ing way you people think a person can be succsssful.
Winfrey and Combs are entertainers. They should not be looked upon as different from each other.
Wow I’m beginning to think the people over at Bossip are morons who are puppets for racists. How can you even utter an such a statement that Bill Cosby is some kind of Uncle Tom just because he wants to see a positive change take place in the Black community?? He is frustrated at what has become of the black community and your are gonna knock him for that??? The black community used to have pride, honor and respect amongst it’s people why is it so difficult to want to see the respect and self respect restored. If Bossip thinks this way, you all need to shuck and jive somewhere else. Are you all Uncle Toms??
@i’m tired of dumb black people
Oh dear. You really don’t know what socialism is, do you? Colonies have NOTHING to do with what makes an economy socialistic.
Look dear, please google “socialism” and then google france with the term. Them come back to me with what you learned.
If we can’t talk about Hip Hop success, than we need to stop talking about Oprah’s success and the “success” of black corporate CEO’s.
Read about Joseph Jett.
To And:
1. don’t tell someone not to make generalizations if you agree w/ someone’s comments that are nothing but generalizations
2. calling me pathetic for inquiring about how a person made money says to me that you discriminate based on color, like you have been taught to do, since most rappers are black.
3. child *****graphy, selling drugs, and extortion, are all illegal so I would have nothing to do with that
4. i never called anyone dumb, but you have to wonder when people start attacking their, especially those that are making so much money
5. this post is baically about how much whiter can we astrive to be and if that’s what you want to do I suggest you get these peoples’ portfolio’s and stop worrying about how we *****ing talk and act.
catfish said:
“Can old Black people talk about anything other than gangster rap ?”
can rappers talk about anything other than money, hoes, *****s, bling, killing, drugs, snitching, hoes, bi@tches, pimps, and ho’s?
***** BOSSIP!!!
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Kdogg
PA Pause said:
…The Uncle Toms are the artist, actors and athletes that only use the black community to further their payrolls, with complete disregard to the longevity of our race as a whole….
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I agree with you.
Check this:
According to Forbes.com, the top five “Hip-Hop Cash Kings” (based on 2006 income) are:
1. Jay-Z $34 (million)
2. 50 Cent $32
3. Diddy $28
4. Timbaland $21
5. Dr. Dre $20
But Cosby is the enemy?
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You better say that. At least Bill and Oprah is up here trying to make us face the issues instead of run from them and talk about them even if we can’t agree.
@WHATASHAME!!!
You still missed the point again. Keep trying.LOL.
Imagine the audacity of the man who gave us Fat Albert talking about ebonics!
Also, how can Oprah criticize unwed mothers when she just had Halle on her show? The hypocrisy of these people is disgusting. If Halle’s behavior can be excused because she has money, than so can Snoop’s behavior!!!
People hating the messenger, people blaming the white establishment, people making personal attacks–all of it still sounds whiny. Some of you all sound like you are writing “A Victim’s Guide to Surviving America”. You can either stand there and beat your head against the wall, or FIND ANOTHER WAY AROUND IT. I work twice as hard as my white colleagues because I am not in denial about racism. ***** a racist geneticist’ opinion, or a couple HR jokers who won’t hire me. I keep it moving and find alternate routes.
The older I get, the more like my grand and great-grand’s I become. THEY experienced obstacles. We have NOTHING to complain about. I say this and I am 33. I’m feeling Cosby on this *****. We need to take some responsibility and recognize where we are historically as a people. I still say its screwy principles and poor choices made by the individual members of our community that trip us up more than the intrinsic racial biases that permeate Western culture.
@KDOG
WHAT RAP SONGS DO YOU LISTEN TOO?
BILL IS RIGHT.I JUST THINK HE NEEDS TO PUT MORE BLAME ON THE BLACK WOMEN.
I have a question for everyone. Not saying all, but how many hiphop artists out there really promote anything good in their songs. Not saying all but most promote everything that is illegal. I know what’s going on I see it everyday. I don’t need a rapper to tell me how to do something illegal. Instead they should be enlightening us on how to get out of our situation. See that’s whats wrong in alot of our communities the real heros don’t get looked at as role models, but the one that relate to the bad things they are doing. (Smoking Weed, Selling drugs) So we do it to our selves. We keep our own people down with images we see as role models. That’s why I make sure my daughters look up to me and their mom.
While I find that there is some truth in what Bill Cosby has had to say, my biggest problem with what was said was in the way that it was addressed. used. It is not just poor and lower middle cl***** African Ameicans who need to do better, it is all Americans. Our society today has created culture of blatant disregard for personal responsibility. We are in a *****e where everything is the fault of everyone else and we have lost our ability to be accountable for our own actions, but this is not just a problem of people of lower socio-economic African American status. Everyday we are hearing about or seeing some public figure who has fallen from grace. Where were the esteemed longtime Sen. Larry Craig’s values instilled? Let’s talk about poor Paris Hilton dropped out of high school. How about the parenting example being given to the little Spears-Federline chaps. Christian Brando killed a man and got 17 years, let’s talk about most young black men get life. Don’t point the finger at one segment of society Bill, let’s be ashamed of all of society. I agree with those who bring up Bill’s personal life, because we cannot have a “do as I say not as I do” mentality. If you want to teach someone something, if you want someone to live up to a personal “standard” as it may be, you need to lead by example. He said that Fredrick Dougl*****, W.E.B. DuBios, and M.L.K. Jr would be “rolling in their graves” if they could hear young black kids talk today, but what does he think they would think of the accusations leveled at him over the years. I don’t look to him to set the bar for me as a parent or a spouse, so why would I want him to be the spokesperson to the next generation? WE NEED TO DO BETTER, but not just as black people, just as people. For every gangsta’ rap song to listen to, I can call up one from a “rock” group that is just as bad. For every unwed pregnant black teen mom, there are 1.6 white ones. Socioeconomic stature does not play a part in morality, values, self control or personal responsibility, which are the problems at the root of the societial issues that Bill Cosby speaks of and these problems do not know color, cl*****, educational level or poverty lines. Bill needs to stop picking issues with poor blacks or it does lead others to believe that he is indeed ashamed of that from which he comes.
There are a lot of black republicans that are Uncle TOms but Cosby is not! He gives back to the community all of the times and loves his people. He says the same thing my mother or grandmother would say, he is just old school.
I wish the black mega churches, radio shows and NAACP wpuld come together and focus on EDUCATION as much as we focused on Jena SIX.. that needs to be the next movement!
Kdogg
catfish said:
“Can old Black people talk about anything other than gangster rap ?”
can rappers talk about anything other than money, hoes, *****s, bling, killing, drugs, snitching, hoes, bi@tches, pimps, and ho’s?
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LMAO
Common Sense, your comment to Cleveland Lady proves you to be the dumb ***** that you are!
Your false nationalism is comical! I like how you paint America as some sort of paradise. You claim it’s a person’s job if they can’t find a job?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHA!
So the millions of jobless Americans – including Middle Cl***** folks who have lost their jobs, just don’t want to work?
Are you claiming people are allowing their homes to be taken away because they don’t want to work?
Kdogg, what rappers do YOU listen to? Your old age is showing.
Also, rappers are ENTERTAINERS!!! Just like actors.
When they stand up and offer themselves as leaders, then they will be judged likewise. Try again.
catfish, Halle is rich, so who cares?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
NOT ALL RAPPERS RAP ABOUT NEGATIVITY, SO KDOGG, SHUT UP!
To Commonsense (or lack thereof): I’m sorry that you feelI’m a donkey. Like I said I guess it is just as tough to hear positive thing that blacks can do and not just the same cliches we’ve been discussng for the last 100 years. Yeah that’s right nothing that we are discussing here is new. It is also sad that you think making millions is unrealistic. Actually,I can understand being a little skeptical about making millions, but damn you can’t dream for at least $100,000 or even $50,000. And because your sorry ***** don’t have any faith in your own self, that’s a reason to knock somebody else down who got inspired and started a business. Maybe they don’t make millions, but maybe just enough to support themselves. Now that’s a real crab mentality. So how many other entertainers have you gone after, other than blacks. Didn’t think so. It’s not your fault it’s how you have been taught to think of yourself. Who’s the donkey now?
If Bill Cosby’s comments made you mad at him he either:
1. stepped on your toes
or
2. you just get mad anytime someone other than YOU speaks.
If Bill cosby’s comments applied to you then you should do your best to prove him wrong.
If his comments didnt apply to you BUT did apply to family or friends, you should do what you can to help THEM prove him wrong.
If his comments didnt apply to you or some of your family and friends, then you should go outside of your inner circle and do what you can to help OTHERS prove him wrong.
If everyone did this and proved him wrong..i do not think he would be upset.
YOU ARE RIGHT @MB
FOR: I wish the black mega churches, radio shows and NAACP wpuld come together and focus on EDUCATION as much as we focused on Jena SIX.. that needs to be the next movement!
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YOU ARE SO RIGHT @ CrookedIslad
FOR: You can either stand there and beat your head against the wall, or FIND ANOTHER WAY AROUND IT.
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DAMN TAKEN. I APPLAUD YOU FOR DOING WHAT IS RIGHT
@BlackMan
FOR:We keep our own people down with images we see as role models. That’s why I make sure my daughters look up to me and their mom.
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LOL @ god
FOR: JUST THINK HE NEEDS TO PUT MORE BLAME ON THE BLACK WOMEN.
This speech was delivered by Willie Lynch on the bank of the James River in the colony of Virginia in 1712. Lynch was a British slave owner in the West Indies. He was invited to the colony of Virginia in 1712 to teach his methods to slave owners there. The term “lynching” is derived from his last name.
[beginning of the Willie Lynch Letter]
Greetings,
Gentlemen. I greet you here on the bank of the James River in the year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and twelve. First, I shall thank you, the gentlemen of the Colony of Virginia, for bringing me here. I am here to help you solve some of your problems with slaves. Your invitation reached me on my modest plantation in the West Indies, where I have experimented with some of the newest, and still the oldest, methods for control of slaves. Ancient Rome would envy us if my program is implemented. As our boat sailed south on the James River, named for our illustrious King, whose version of the Bible we cherish, I saw enough to know that your problem is not unique. While Rome used cords of wood as crosses for standing human bodies along its highways in great numbers, you are here using the tree and the rope on occasions. I caught the whiff of a dead slave hanging from a tree, a couple miles back. You are not only losing valuable stock by hangings, you are having uprisings, slaves are running away, your crops are sometimes left in the fields too long for maximum profit, you suffer occasional fires, your animals are killed. Gentlemen, you know what your problems are; I do not need to elaborate. I am not here to enumerate your problems, I am here to introduce you to a method of solving them. In my bag here, I HAVE A FULL PROOF METHOD FOR CONTROLLING YOUR BLACK SLAVES. I guarantee every one of you that, if installed correctly, IT WILL CONTROL THE SLAVES FOR AT LEAST 300 HUNDREDS YEARS. My method is simple. Any member of your family or your overseer can use it. I HAVE OUTLINED A NUMBER OF DIFFERENCES AMONG THE SLAVES; AND I TAKE THESE DIFFERENCES AND MAKE THEM BIGGER. I USE FEAR, DISTRUST AND ENVY FOR CONTROL PURPOSES. These methods have worked on my modest plantation in the West Indies and it will work throughout the South. Take this simple little list of differences and think about them. On top of my list is “AGE,” but it’s there only because it starts with an “a.” The second is “COLOR” or shade. There is INTELLIGENCE, SIZE, SEX, SIZES OF PLANTATIONS, STATUS on plantations, ATTITUDE of owners, whether the slaves live in the valley, on a hill, East, West, North, South, have fine hair, course hair, or is tall or short. Now that you have a list of differences, I shall give you an outline of action, but before that, I shall *****ure you that DISTRUST IS STRONGER THAN TRUST AND ENVY STRONGER THAN ADULATION, RESPECT OR ADMIRATION. The Black slaves after receiving this indoctrination shall carry on and will become self-refueling and self-generating for HUNDREDS of years, maybe THOUSANDS. Don’t forget, you must pitch the OLD black male vs. the YOUNG black male, and the YOUNG black male against the OLD black male. You must use the DARK skin slaves vs. the LIGHT skin slaves, and the LIGHT skin slaves vs. the DARK skin slaves. You must use the FEMALE vs. the MALE, and the MALE vs. the FEMALE. You must also have white servants and overseers [who] distrust all Blacks. But it is NECESSARY THAT YOUR SLAVES TRUST AND DEPEND ON US. THEY MUST LOVE, RESPECT AND TRUST ONLY US. Gentlemen, these kits are your keys to control. Use them. Have your wives and children use them, never miss an opportunity. IF USED INTENSELY FOR ONE YEAR, THE SLAVES THEMSELVES WILL REMAIN PERPETUALLY DISTRUSTFUL. Thank you gentlemen.”
LET’S MAKE A SLAVE
It was the interest and business of slave holders to study human nature, and the slave nature in particular, with a view to practical results. I and many of them attained astonishing proficiency in this direction. They had to deal not with earth, wood and stone, but with men and, by every regard, they had for their own safety and prosperity they needed to know the material on which they were to work, conscious of the injustice and wrong they were every hour perpetuating and knowing what they themselves would do. Were they the victims of such wrongs? They were constantly looking for the first signs of the dreaded retribution. They watched therefore with skilled and practiced eyes, and learned to read with great accuracy, the state of mind and heart of the slave, through his sable face. Unusual sobriety, apparent abstractions, sullenness and indifference indeed, any mood out of the common was afforded ground for suspicion and inquiry. Frederick Douglas LET’S MAKE A SLAVE is a study of the scientific process of man-breaking and slave-making. It describes the rationale and results of the Anglo Saxons’ ideas and methods of insuring the master/slave relationship. LET’S MAKE A SLAVE “The Original and Development of a Social Being Called ‘The Negro.’” Let us make a slave. What do we need? First of all, we need a black ***** man, a pregnant ***** woman and her baby ***** boy. Second, we will use the same basic principle that we use in breaking a horse, combined with some more sustaining factors. What we do with horses is that we break them from one form of life to another; that is, we reduce them from their natural state in nature. Whereas nature provides them with the natural capacity to take care of their offspring, we break that natural string of independence from them and thereby create a dependency status, so that we may be able to get from them useful production for our business and pleasure.
CARDINAL PRINCIPLES FOR MAKING A NEGRO
For fear that our future generations may not understand the principles of breaking both of the beast together, the ***** and the horse. We understand that short range planning economics results in periodic economic chaos; so that to avoid turmoil in the economy, it requires us to have breadth and depth in long range comprehensive planning, articulating both skill sharp perceptions. We lay down the following principles for long range comprehensive economic planning. Both horse and *****s [are] no good to the economy in the wild or natural state. Both must be BROKEN and TIED together for orderly production. For orderly future, special and particular attention must be paid to the FEMALE and the YOUNGEST offspring. Both must be CROSSBRED to produce a variety and division of labor. Both must be taught to respond to a peculiar new LANGUAGE. Psychological and physical instruction of CONTAINMENT must be created for both. We hold the six cardinal principles as truth to be self-evident, based upon following the discourse concerning the economics of breaking and tying the horse and the ***** together, all inclusive of the six principles laid down above. NOTE: Neither principle alone will suffice for good economics. All principles must be employed for orderly good of the nation. Accordingly, both a wild horse and a wild or natur[al] ***** is dangerous even if captured, for they will have the tendency to seek their customary freedom and, in doing so, might kill you in your sleep. You cannot rest. They sleep while you are awake, and are awake while you are asleep. They are DANGEROUS near the family house and it requires too much labor to watch them away from the house. Above all, you cannot get them to work in this natural state. Hence, both the horse and the ***** must be broken; that is breaking them from one form of mental life to another. KEEP THE BODY, TAKE THE MIND! In other words, break the will to resist. Now the breaking process is the same for both the horse and the *****, only slightly varying in degrees. But, as we said before, there is an art in long range economic planning. YOU MUST KEEP YOUR EYE AND THOUGHTS ON THE FEMALE and the OFFSPRING of the horse and the *****. A brief discourse in offspring development will shed light on the key to sound economic principles. Pay little attention to the generation of original breaking, but CONCENTRATE ON FUTURE GENERATION. Therefore, if you break the FEMALE mother, she will BREAK the offspring in its early years of development; and when the offspring is old enough to work, she will deliver it up to you, for her normal female protective tendencies will have been lost in the original breaking process. For example, take the case of the wild stud horse, a female horse and an already infant horse and compare the breaking process with two captured ***** males in their natural state, a pregnant ***** woman with her infant offspring. Take the stud horse, break him for limited containment. Completely break the female horse until she becomes very gentle, whereas you or anybody can ride her in her comfort. Breed the mare and the stud until you have the desired offspring. Then, you can turn the stud to freedom until you need him again. Train the female horse whereby she will eat out of your hand, and she will in turn train the infant horse to eat out of your hand, also. When it comes to breaking the uncivilized *****, use the same process, but vary the degree and step up the pressure, so as to do a complete reversal of the mind. Take the meanest and most restless *****, strip him of his clothes in front of the remaining male *****s, the female, and the ***** infant, tar and feather him, tie each leg to a different horse faced in opposite directions, set him afire and beat both horses to pull him apart in front of the remaining *****s. The next step is to take a bullwhip and beat the remaining ***** males to the point of death, in front of the female and the infant. Don’t kill him, but PUT THE FEAR OF GOD IN HIM, for he can be useful for future breeding.
THE BREAKING PROCESS OF THE AFRICAN WOMAN
Take the female and run a series of tests on her to see if she will submit to your desires willingly. Test her in every way, because she is the most important factor for good economics. If she shows any sign of resistance in submitting completely to your will, do not hesitate to use the bullwhip on her to extract that last bit of [b----] out of her. Take care not to kill her, for in doing so, you spoil good economics. When in complete submission, she will train her offsprings in the early years to submit to labor when they become of age. Understanding is the best thing. Therefore, we shall go deeper into this area of the subject matter concerning what we have produced here in this breaking process of the female *****. We have reversed the relationship; in her natural uncivilized state, she would have a strong dependency on the uncivilized ***** male, and she would have a limited protective tendency toward her independent male offspring and would raise male offsprings to be dependent like her. Nature had provided for this type of balance. We reversed nature by burning and pulling a civilized ***** apart and bullwhipping the other to the point of death, all in her presence. By her being left alone, unprotected, with the MALE IMAGE DESTROYED, the ordeal caused her to move from her psychologically dependent state to a frozen, independent state. In this frozen, psychological state of independence, she will raise her MALE and female offspring in reversed roles. For FEAR of the young male’s life, she will psychologically train him to be MENTALLY WEAK and DEPENDENT, but PHYSICALLY STRONG. Because she has become psychologically independent, she will train her FEMALE offsprings to be psychologically independent. What have you got? You’ve got the ***** WOMAN OUT FRONT AND THE ***** MAN BEHIND AND SCARED. This is a perfect situation of sound sleep and economics. Before the breaking process, we had to be alertly on guard at all times. Now, we can sleep soundly, for out of frozen fear his woman stands guard for us. He cannot get past her early slave-molding process. He is a good tool, now ready to be tied to the horse at a tender age. By the time a ***** boy reaches the age of sixteen, he is soundly broken in and ready for a long life of sound and efficient work and the reproduction of a unit of good labor force. Continually through the breaking of uncivilized savage *****s, by throwing the ***** female savage into a frozen psychological state of independence, by killing the protective male image, and by creating a submissive dependent mind of the ***** male slave, we have created an orbiting cycle that turns on its own axis forever, unless a phenomenon occurs and re-shifts the position of the male and female slaves. We show what we mean by example. Take the case of the two economic slave units and examine them close.
THE NEGRO MARRIAGE
We breed two ***** males with two ***** females. Then, we take the ***** male away from them and keep them moving and working. Say one ***** female bears a ***** female and the other bears a ***** male; both ***** females—being without influence of the ***** male image, frozen with a independent psychology—will raise their offspring into reverse positions. The one with the female offspring will teach her to be like herself, independent and negotiable (we negotiate with her, through her, by her, negotiates her at will). The one with the ***** male offspring, she being frozen subconscious fear for his life, will raise him to be mentally dependent and weak, but physically strong; in other words, body over mind. Now, in a few years when these two offsprings become fertile for early reproduction, we will mate and breed them and continue the cycle. That is good, sound and long range comprehensive planning.
WARNING: POSSIBLE INTERLOPING NEGATIVES
Earlier, we talked about the non-economic good of the horse and the ***** in their wild or natural state; we talked out the principle of breaking and tying them together for orderly production. Furthermore, we talked about paying particular attention to the female savage and her offspring for orderly future planning, then more recently we stated that, by reversing the positions of the male and female savages, we created an orbiting cycle that turns on its own axis forever unless a phenomenon occurred and reshifts positions of the male and female savages. Our experts warned us about the possibility of this phenomenon occurring, for they say that the mind has a strong drive to correct and re-correct itself over a period of time if it can touch some substantial original historical base; and they advised us that the best way to deal with the phenomenon is to shave off the brute’s mental history and create a multiplicity of phenomena of illusions, so that each illusion will twirl in its own orbit, something similar to floating ***** in a vacuum. This creation of multiplicity of phenomena of illusions entails the principle of crossbreeding the ***** and the horse as we stated above, the purpose of which is to create a diversified division of labor; thereby creating different levels of labor and different values of illusion at each connecting level of labor. The results of which is the severance of the points of original beginnings for each sphere illusion. Since we feel that the subject matter may get more complicated as we proceed in laying down our economic plan concerning the purpose, reason and effect of crossbreeding horses and *****s, we shall lay down the following definition terms for future generations. Orbiting cycle means a thing turning in a given path. Axis means upon which or around which a body turns. Phenomenon means something beyond ordinary conception and inspires awe and wonder. Multiplicity means a great number. Means a globe. Crossbreeding a horse means taking a horse and breeding it with an ***** and you get a dumb, backward, ***** long-headed mule that is not reproductive nor productive by itself. Crossbreeding *****s mean taking so many drops of good white blood and putting them into as many ***** women as possible, varying the drops by the various tone that you want, and then letting them breed with each other until another circle of color appears as you desire. What this means is this: Put the *****s and the horse in a breeding pot, mix some *****es and some good white blood and what do you get? You got a multiplicity of colors of ***** backward, unusual *****s, running, tied to backward ***** long-headed mules, the one productive of itself, the other sterile. (The one constant, the other dying, we keep the ***** constant for we may replace the mules for another tool) both mule and ***** tied to each other, neither knowing where the other came from and neither productive for itself, nor without each other.
CONTROLLED LANGUAGE
Crossbreeding completed, for further severance from their original beginning, WE MUST COMPLETELY ANNIHILATE THE MOTHER TONGUE of both the new ***** and the new mule, and institute a new language that involves the new life’s work of both. You know language is a peculiar institution. It leads to the heart of a people. The more a foreigner knows about the language of another country the more he is able to move through all levels of that society. Therefore, if the foreigner is an enemy of the country, to the extent that he knows the body of the language, to that extent is the country vulnerable to attack or invasion of a foreign culture. For example, if you take a slave, if you teach him all about your language, he will know all your secrets, and he is then no more a slave, for you can’t fool him any longer, and BEING A FOOL IS ONE OF THE BASIC INGREDIENTS OF ANY INCIDENTS TO THE MAINTENANCE OF THE SLAVERY SYSTEM. For example, if you told a slave that he must perform in getting out “our crops” and he knows the language well, he would know that “our crops” didn’t mean “our crops” and the slavery system would break down, for he would relate on the basis of what “our crops” really meant. So you have to be careful in setting up the new language; for the slaves would soon be in your house, talking to you as “man to man” and that is death to our economic system. In addition, the definitions of words or terms are only a minute part of the process. Values are created and transported by communication through the body of the language. A total society has many interconnected value systems. All the values in the society have bridges of language to connect them for orderly working in the society. But for these language bridges, these many value systems would sharply clash and cause internal strife or civil war, the degree of the conflict being determined by the magnitude of the issues or relative opposing strength in whatever form. For example, if you put a slave in a hog pen and train him to live there and incorporate in him to value it as a way of life completely, the biggest problem you would have out of him is that he would worry you about provisions to keep the hog pen clean, or the same hog pen and make a slip and incorporate something in his language whereby he comes to value a house more than he does his hog pen, you got a problem. He will soon be in your house.
Additional Note: “Henty Berry, speaking in the Virginia House of Delegates in 1832, described the situation as it existed in many parts of the South at this time: “We have, as far as possible, closed every avenue by which light may enter their (the slaves) minds. If we could extinguish the capacity to see the light, our work would be complete; they would then be on a level with the beasts of the field and we should be safe. I am not certain that we would not do it, if we could find out the process and that on the plea of necessity.” From Brown America, The story of a New Race by Edwin R. Embree. 1931 The Viking Press.
Tell Cosby to reread this we are all apart of this…Our African Ancestors did not have the name of Jane/John, these unacceptable names that he claims does not fit into this society are not justified because they are not Western in nature. I am sure Chief Smoking Cloud does not fit into the work place either, nor does Lym *****. Why is it such a problem when African American names are different. What type of African American would p***** judgement on someone’s name, Oprah is a beautiful name to me, but I have heard her state that she is not found of it..Be proud of your African Heritage because its all we have that has not been stripped from us…Look at all the people getting the surgery to have lips, hips, and a bottom like us, yet we still seek to look like them, to be them, forget them, find you!
I found it very funny that Oprah and Bill were talking about how Malcolm would be rolling over in his grave; as if they would’ve supported Malcolm X. ***** Pleeeeezzzzeee!!!!
You are right. That’s why some of us are doing the very thing you just suggested. Kudos @Kdogg
FOR:
If Bill Cosby’s comments made you mad at him he either:
1. stepped on your toes
or
2. you just get mad anytime someone other than YOU speaks.
If Bill cosby’s comments applied to you then you should do your best to prove him wrong.
If his comments didnt apply to you BUT did apply to family or friends, you should do what you can to help THEM prove him wrong.
If his comments didnt apply to you or some of your family and friends, then you should go outside of your inner circle and do what you can to help OTHERS prove him wrong.
If everyone did this and proved him wrong..i do not think he would be upset.
To and: if i missed a point then point it out. It seems that you don’t have an answer other than the cliches you hear on TV. When you’re able to formulate your own opinion and not just what entertainers and others tell you, then you will be able to respond.
p.s. there is nothing funny about not being able to respond to a point.
@AND…
HE DID NOT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE WOMEN.85 PERCENT OF THE BLACK MEN IN JAIL WERE RAISED BY SINGLE MOTHERS.WOMEN CAN NOT RAISE A BOY INTO A MAN.MOST OF THE SINGLES MOTHERS NEVER HAD MALE ROLE MODELS.
KDOGG,
I’m successful, hun! And not all well off black people agree with him, so stop making it seem like people who disagree with his approach are poor.
If the truth hurts!!! I see a few people that need some pain meds right about now…………
@Educationforwhatin American
Even though intellectually I knew this happened I’ve never heard or seen anything like this and it actually brought me to tears. We need to stop fighting each other. I resign.
CrookedIsland
People hating the messenger, people blaming the white establishment, people making personal attacks–all of it still sounds whiny. Some of you all sound like you are writing “A Victim’s Guide to Surviving America”. You can either stand there and beat your head against the wall, or FIND ANOTHER WAY AROUND IT. I work twice as hard as my white colleagues because I am not in denial about racism. ***** a racist geneticist’ opinion, or a couple HR jokers who won’t hire me. I keep it moving and find alternate routes.
*cosign*
No. It makes him honest. People don’t like the truth. Maybe Oprah can add a bit of sugar to make it go down easier, but it IS indeed the truth.
And…
I know what socialism is, you obviously don’t, you medicaid recipient! Funny how you’re downing people who are on welfare when you yourself was on welfare!
CAPITALISM = PROFIT. Countries like Martinique and Guadeloupe are still controlled by France for PROFIT! Just because a country has a few social programs doens’t mean it’s socialist.
“Halle is rich.” So is Snoop dumb *****! As are most “gangta rappers.” They are richer than the average person will ever be. When people speak, you see into their mind.
If Halle’s wealth excuses her behavior, than the issue isn’t one of morality or values, but one of economics. The REAL message should then be, hustle as hard as you can to make enough money to shield yourself from the negative consequences of your immoral behavior!!! See Bill Cosby for further explanation. I love when dumb people try to argue with me!
Mrs. Teacher
I’ve been saying that it’s the parent/s fault for over a year now but every time I do I get called names. Bottomline Black leaders won’t blame Black parents because many Black households are headed by Sistas and Sistas are rarely singled out or criticized for the children they raise.
BILL COSBY IS NOT SPEAKING THE TRUTH, HE’S SPEAKING HIS TRUTH.
This little light:
“For every gangsta’ rap song to listen to, I can call up one from a “rock” group that is just as bad. ”
I challenge you to Prove it. Even if you find Rock songs that are lyrically just as bad are they AS influential? Are they on top of the Charts? Are Kindergarteners reciting the lyrics verbatim?
I agree with a lot of your post but I ahve to disagree with you when you said that he was picking on poor blacks. He is trying to get through to those that need the most help and have the MOST potential.
I also agree that “Socioeconomic stature does not play a part in morality, values, self control or personal responsibility.”
As i said in a previous post:
Personal responsibility.
You cannot succeed in life without it. Taking care of those things/situations that you can and are supposed to control is important no matter your race.
you can have all of the social reform and programs in the world but if people are not personally responsible and accountable for their decisions and actions, they will still fail.
1. (Social programs/reform) – (personal
responsibility) = (failure)
2. (Personal responsibility) – (Social programs/reform) = (varied degrees of success)
3. (Social programs/reform) + (personal responsibility) = (higher degree of success)
Being accountable to yourself. Policing your own situation and household. Setting your own goals. being personally responsible will allow you to stand even when society doesnt expect or want you to.
I just want to say that I am loving this forum… and these “opinions” for change and growth.
Oh so his truth is the high homicide rate affecting black men? That can be backed up by statistics.
Take away Bill’s arguments and then just leave the problems. It doesn’t matter who you are, something is wrong and we need to fix it. If you don’t agree with how he said it, that’s fine, but there is NO denying that there is a problem and you CANNOT blame it on White America any longer. Sorry………
Cos is saying what needs to be said. Black men need to step up and be fathers instead of runnin’ around with jewelry on lookin’ like girls.
1. (Social programs/reform) – (personal
responsibility) = (failure)
2. (Personal responsibility) – (Social programs/reform) = (varied degrees of success)
3. (Social programs/reform) + (personal responsibility) = (higher degree of success)
I see someone stays true to these mathematics.
i’m tired of dumb black people
KDOGG,
I’m successful, hun! And not all well off black people agree with him, so stop making it seem like people who disagree with his approach are poor.
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I never implied or said that. Re-read my posts. I’m tired of dumb black people too. What a coincidence. Take that as a hint.
***** Dog….was Bill right? I rest my case! Please *****Dog, it’s not too late. Get yourself into someones’ school…PLEASE!!! ASAP. This is serious. The right to education is what our forefathers and mothers fought for and died for. Please take advantage. Don’t let their efforts be in vain. The prisons are full and the streets have claimed enough black lives. Get yourself educated, find a career path for yourself, and become a productive member of society. It is never too late to go back to school. Strive to be the best you can be, don’t be a stereotype. I am the mother of 2 black children. They are in school everyday, and they actually like school. We (my husband ) and I keep education in the forefront. He and I are both in college, and we work fulltime. He is working on his Master’s, and I am still striving to get my Bachelor’s degree. I love to see other blacks on the campus, getting their educations. Some of us are taking care of our business, and doing the right things. We just gotta get the rest of us on track. I mentor teennage girls, the ones in school with my little sister. I love the time we spend together. I hope I am a positive influence on them. We can all do our part. I hope ***** Dog, will take my advice, it’s not too late.
Seattle,
As a black woman who grew up in the “hood”, I know that my upbringing wasn’t due to my parent’s lack of personal responsiblity.
You missed the point. I don’t argue facts, I argue unsubstantiated claims, something Bill Cosby seems practice.
From Chapter 1:
Is it something about being an African-American male? Aren’t we smart enough? Black Americans fought to open doors of opportunity— and now black immigrants are walking through these doors while too many of us are hanging out on the street corners. There is certainly institutional racism—particularly against black men—but racism doesn’t explain everything. Black men are, in fact, lagging. If it weren’t for the relative success of recent black immigrants in schools and college, the statistics would be even worse.
Enough young black males behave badly at an early age that they set the norm for other black boys. The stereotype of the angry and potentially violent black male can lead to racial profiling by teachers in the early grades. This makes it doubly difficult for those boys who are trying to behave and trying to get ahead to succeed. Soon the kids begin to stereotype themselves. These images lead to low expectations for achievement, which then become a self-fulfilling prophecy. Check the numbers:
• Homicide is the number one cause of death for black men between fifteen and twenty-nine years of age and has been for decades.
• Of the roughly sixteen thousand homicides in this country each year, more than half are committed by black men. A black man is seven times more likely to commit a murder (excluding military actions) than a white man, and six times more likely to be murdered. (Black mothers live with these numbers. We don’t know how they sleep at night.)
• Ninety-four percent of all black people who are murdered are murdered by other black people.
• The life expectancy at birth of black men is sixty-nine years, compared to seventy-five years for white men, eighty for white women, and seventy-six for black women.
• In the past several decades, the suicide rate among young black men has increased more than 100 percent.
• In some cities, black males have high school drop-out rates of more than 50 percent.
• Young black men are twice as likely to be unemployed as white, Hispanic, and Asian men.
• Although black people make up just 12 percent of the general population, they make up nearly 44 percent of the prison population.
• At any given time, as many as one in four of all young black men are in the criminal justice system—in prison or jail, on probation, or on parole.
• By the time they reach their midthirties, six out of ten black high school dropouts have spent time in prison.
• About one-third of the homeless are black men.
This is madness! Back in 1950, there were twice as many white people in prison as black. Today, there are more black people than white in prison.
Why is it that when a single black mother in the hood raises a good kid we praise the mother, yet when her kid turns out terrible we ask where’s the father? It’s as if we can admit that some black women aren’t good mothers?
Being a good mother has nothing to do with money. It has everything to do with morals, discipline and commitment to the cultivation of one’s child. Many black women are selfish and it shows in the quality of children they produce irrespective of education level and income.
Read the Ben Carson story.
@CATFISH.YOU ARE 100 PERCENT RIGHT.I STATED THIS A FEW TIMES ALREADY BUT YOU ARE THE FIRST TO AGREE.
If Bill Cosby’s comments made you mad at him he either:
1. stepped on your toes
or
2. you just get mad anytime someone other than YOU speaks.
If Bill cosby’s comments applied to you then you should do your best to prove him wrong.
If his comments didnt apply to you BUT did apply to family or friends, you should do what you can to help THEM prove him wrong.
If his comments didnt apply to you or some of your family and friends, then you should go outside of your inner circle and do what you can to help OTHERS prove him wrong.
If everyone did this and proved him wrong..i do not think he would be upset.
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I cosign 100%. I should start cosigning my own comments like some of the people on this site.
To And: I’m glad I read your last post and was surprised at your reaction to the post from Educationforwhatin American willie lynch article. I was about to comment on why *****ody had an opinion on something so horrific and eerily familiar. I also will cry with you and a agree that we should stop figting. Everyone who agrees with Bill, read the post on Willie Lynch and I don’t think you will feel so strongly that Bill has the answer to our problems.
Gotta love how Cosby removes historical context from his discussion. Maybe the number of blacks in prison has something to do with the disparity in sentencing of nonviolent drug offenses? Maybe???
WHY SHOULD HE HAVE TO FIND A SOLUTION…. HE AINT STRUGGLING….. BE GLAD HE EVEN TRIES TO TELL SOME OF U IDIOTS THE RIGHT THING TO DO
Why should just the people agreeing with Bill read the Willie Lynch letter. Shouldn’t everyone attacking Bill read the letter too? He is a high school dropout, born in the 1930’s that experienced the civil rights movement, and fought to become the succesful black man that he is today.
We put way to much stock in a letter that may or may not be true.
Research the letter. Its most likely a hoax. Lemmings!
The Willie Lynch letter keeps a lot of Blacks from holding each other personally accountable.
@ catfish
what about these other points:
Homicide is the number one cause of death for black men between fifteen and twenty-nine years of age and has been for decades.
Ninety-four percent of all black people who are murdered are murdered by other black people.
Those above points have nothing to do with disparity in convictions.
catfish
Gotta love how Cosby removes historical context from his discussion. Maybe the number of blacks in prison has something to do with the disparity in sentencing of nonviolent drug offenses? Maybe???
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Catfish what does it matter that they are putting black men in for nonviolent drug offenses. DRUGS HAVE DESTROYED THE BLACK COMMUNITY!! Why are we upset that this trash is being put into jail?
Funny how Bill was talking about $300 sneakers when he should have been talking about the money we spend on weaves, blonde dye, colored contacts, fake nails and shoes!
Seattle,
As a black woman who grew up in the “hood”, I know that my upbringing wasn’t due to my parent’s lack of personal responsiblity.
You missed the point. I don’t argue facts, I argue unsubstantiated claims, something Bill Cosby seems practice.
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He actually does have a point. The problem with his argument is that it’s NOT just some poor black folks but it’s also middle cl***** and rich white folks.
The problem with his argument is he wasn’t 100% blunt.
Black America as a collective is up ***** creek and really trying to get rid of the ONE last paddle it has. Instead of praising education, they praise and worship trash like T.I.
They don’t care about Marcus, Haile Sel*****ie, Nat Turner, Chaka, Nzingha, Moshoeshoe, Hannibal Barca, W.E.B DuBois, Taharqa, NOPE….f*ck that but they know the latest crank dance.
That’s EMBAR*****ING. White kids don’t have this problem. They already are proud. They are conditioned to believe that they are the be all end all.
If you to go my blog you’ll see a white DNA geneticist just came out with “proof” that blacks are less intelligent. What do we have right now to go up to bat against that f*ckfaced *****???
KDOGG, I am tired of your half-banked comments.
Your personal responsbility vs social programs is way off!
It’s more like social responsibibility and personal responsibility.
Social responsibility lies in the hands of collective society while personality responsibility lies in the hands of individuals.
Governments have a social responsiblity to continuously implement ways to better a society in which they govern. And inviduals have have an obligation to better themselves. Social programs are examples of government taking social responsibility.
Frankly, an average citizen cannot take personality responsiblity of paying a 10,000.00 surgery bill, so that’s where health insurance (social responsiblity) comes in.
My boy was right, ya’ll coons are so stupid that you’ll fight till doomsday over who’s right about the color of the sunset. Now there is genetic proof that ya’ll are dumber than a bag of hammers.
next step will be putting you back in cages.
catfish
Funny how Bill was talking about $300 sneakers when he should have been talking about the money we spend on weaves, blonde dye, colored contacts, fake nails and shoes!
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Not a bad point……
The GRAND KLEGAL
My boy was right, ya’ll coons are so stupid that you’ll fight till doomsday over who’s right about the color of the sunset. Now there is genetic proof that ya’ll are dumber than a bag of hammers.
next step will be putting you back in cages.
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I rest my case……..*SMDH* Only a matter of time before this sh*t goes crazy.
Governments have a social responsiblity to continuously implement ways to better a society in which they govern. And inviduals have have an obligation to better themselves. Social programs are examples of government taking social responsibility.
Frankly, an average citizen cannot take personality responsiblity of paying a 10,000.00 surgery bill, so that’s where health insurance (social responsiblity) comes in.
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True but you are talking about a socialist society not a capitalist one. the fact is we live in a capitalist society and it sucks in many ways.
What social incentives have African Americans NOT been given that could change the situation?
bossip um ya’ll have issues
catfish, Bill Cosby will not denounce weaves because he wants us to be as “modern” as possible. Did you forget his comments about “black names”?
i’m tired of dumb black people
KDOGG, I am tired of your half-banked comments.
Your personal responsbility vs social programs is way off!
It’s more like social responsibibility and personal responsibility.
Social responsibility lies in the hands of collective society while personality responsibility lies in the hands of individuals.
Governments have a social responsiblity to continuously implement ways to better a society in which they govern. And inviduals have have an obligation to better themselves. Social programs are examples of government taking social responsibility.
Frankly, an average citizen cannot take personality responsiblity of paying a 10,000.00 surgery bill, so that’s where health insurance (social responsiblity) comes in.
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I updated the equation just for you. It still works. And guess what PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY is still more important! You HAVE to take care of those things that you can control.
1. (Social responsibility) – (personal
responsibility) = (failure)
2. (Personal responsibility) – (Social responsibility) = (varied degrees of success)
3. (Social responsibility) + (personal responsibility) = (higher degree of success)
Being accountable to yourself. Policing your own situation and household. Setting your own goals. being personally responsible will allow you to stand even when society doesnt expect or want you to.
@god
HE DID NOT SAY ANYTHING ABOUT THE WOMEN.85 PERCENT OF THE BLACK MEN IN JAIL WERE RAISED BY SINGLE MOTHERS.WOMEN CAN NOT RAISE A BOY INTO A MAN.MOST OF THE SINGLES MOTHERS NEVER HAD MALE ROLE MODELS.
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god – You seem to have a lot of anger towards black women and only want to hear someone who blames them for what state black men are in.
Did you ever stop to thnk that maybe those black men are in jail because their piece of crap fathers deserted them and not because their mothers aren’t any good?
Every study shows that, regardless of race or cl*****, boys are more influenced by their fathers than their mothers. So if black boys are ending up in jail, it’s more likely because the bad fathers who deserted them instead of the mothers who stayed and at least tried to raise them.
To EducationforwhatinAmerican regarding Lynching -
Let’s not forget between 1882 & 1964 4,743 amreicans were lynched by racist ***** democrats:
3,446 of whom were black, while 1,297 were white republicans.
I don’t understand how or why organizations and individuals support Democrats after 150 years of enslaving and murdering blacks (black republicans).
http://www.justiceatthegate.org/PDFs/Civil%20Rights%20Platform%20Comparison.pdf
And please miss me with now the roles are reversed. Democrats just got on the bandwagon with fighting for civil rights for blacks and I’d even question that since over the last 40 years since they’ve gained CONTROL over the black vote our communities and families have only deteriorated in reverse of all that had been accomplished in the previous 150 years from slavery to the first 22 black congressmen (all republican). Now they support us with government entitlements that insult our inteligence and treat us as inferior with race based affirmative action policies. Our government schools are in shambles, but my kids are denied school choice because democrats are against school vouchers and in bed with unions. They rather keep my kids in schools where an hour of each day is talking to spanish speaking elementary students strictly in spanish. Not teaching spanish but talking to them in it. For 40 years blacks have supported democrats with their vote, why I have no damn clue. Is something wrong with being viewed as equal with other races rather than inferior to them which is what democrat policies for all practical purposes say. ***** the DEMOCRAT PARTY for LIFE! And ***** Sharpton, the CBC, and the rest of these black politicians fools who support these destructive and detrimental policies too. Kanye said George Bush doesn’t care about black people, fool black people don’t care about black people or we’d stop electing racist mother*****ers to office whose policies and practices are detroying us. ***** a thug, ***** a democrat, and ***** anybody seriously holding black people back. Republicans holding us back is figment of people’s imagination. Individual racism indeed comes in all colors and types of people, however institutional racism wrought by a political party was solely the game of death of the Democrat party. The KKK was founded by Democrat leadership, 13th,14th,15th amendments p*****ed by radical republicans. Jim Crow, black codes, poll taxes, fugitive slave laws, Missouri Compromise, Kansas Nebraska Act, Dred Scott, opposition to every piece of civil rights law p*****ed up until the 1960s, I can go on and on and on. Google it, it’s all there and nere one Democrat has acknowledged it and black people pledge allegiance to the very mother*****in people solely responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of black folks and rely on the same racist to fix the problems in our communities when they’ve only gotten worse? Go figure. ***** ALL UNCLE TOM HOUSE ***** DEMOCRATS WITH A P*****ION for allowing these fools (the democrat party) to ruin our country and our people!!! The Democrat Party: Party of Slavery and Socialism Since 1792 and still going strong thanks to you who keep their *****es in office.
@Educationforwhatin American–
Thank you so much for the gift! I’ve read the letter a few years back. I’m glad you found it and posted it. I’m going to share it with my son tonight.
Again, Thanks!
@Carman De La Cruz
How dare you say we have “no GOOD black leaders”. I don’t know what your definition of leader is but I’m using webster and by its definition Nelson Mandela, Martin Luther King, Jr., Oprah Winfrey, Marcus Garvey, Beverly Bond, and the list goes on and on and on. You also say “Bill instead of attacking the black community, why dont u help! and on the way we can help u on ur moral issues!” The sad part is you can’t even see that he is helping us but you and some others are far to defensive to see it. When you do something wrong do your parents say “oh okay I’ll fix it” or do they say “you know better, why did you do that, that was wrong, etc” Teachers do the same. They encourage and praise you for what we do wrong and let us know the things we need to improve on. Bill is doing the same. Why everybody wants to comment on his personal issues is beyond me. As for those parents working two and three jobs that you are defending I have three solutions:
1. KEEP YOUR LEGS CLOSED/ KEEP YOUR ***** IN YOUR PANTS.
2. Birth control in this country is FREE!!!!!
3. The level of educational attainment is directly related to the level of income. So if you only want one job or a better job get a better education which is also FREE in this country.
Now, you do YOUR homework.
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wtf u talkin bout people need to keep their legs closed? i know plenty of women and men who are married but they still have to get that extra job just to make it through. so i dont know what da ***** u talkin bout…
just because u go to college doesnt mean *****. im a senior in college right now bout to graduate in may..am i guarntee a job? hell 2 da naw ive heard plenty of stories of people graduatin and they dont find THEIR DREAM JOB after 4 yrs outta school.
everybody cant go to college unlike me. everybody isnt lucky. yeah the resources are their such as financial aid. but u gotta be motivated to go to school and if ur coming from an area where it seems like hope isnt there…whats going to motivate u?
please tell me how bill cosby is helpin us? by going to the oprah show and tellin all the white folks about SOME blacks business? we already got a negative sterotype hes just addin more fuel to the fire.
please tell me how da ***** is he helpin? and yes i did comment on his personal life…he wants to preach about everybody else doing their part NO U DO UR PART! u aint going to attend a church where u know the preacher is a pimp, deadbeat dad and drug dealer are u? ur not going to listen to him preach now are u? WELL THEN….
and when i said we didnt have no goo black leaders, im talkin bout in this country in our neighborhoods. MLK JR is dead (rest his soul) Oprah lets no go there with her. yeah shes a billionaire and shes the first black woman and blaa blaa blaa but what has she really done for our communities? i dont see her in white house fightin for better educational systems for proverty/urban areas…
like i said before people need to stop puttin these famous/rich black folks on pestal cus the ***** aint cute. just like this generation is puttin rappers on pestals..it NEEDS TO STOP!
Now you take your ***** on somewhere and DO YOUR HOMEWORK
Has anyone read the Willie Lynch article that was posted by Educationforwhatin Americanted. It doesn’t seem like it, because people are still blind. That article should have ended this discussion and started a new one. I really urge everyoe to at least read a paragraph and you will see a lot of similarities.
p.s. stop being lost and read about your history
Kdogg
Don’t confuse our need for understanding historical context with our need to have moral. When you kill, you should pay a price. Whether life in jail or the death penalty. That is just. The punishment must fit the crime regardless of historical conditions.
The reason we need to understand historical context is so that we can craft a better long term solution. On the surface, the violence issue seems to be related to the gun supply or the drug trade. At it’s core the violence issue is related to the historical insignificance that black male life has in America. From lynching, to **********inations, to the Tuskegee Experiment, to gangs etc, black male life is cheap. This must be taken into consideration when coming up with solutions so we don’t fall for band aid approaches.
Kdogg, if you want to promote your theory, WRITE A BOOK.
I ask you again, how does an average American take personal responsiblity for a 10,000 hospital bill? How about a weak economy? Rising cost of gas? High cost of living?
Your logic works in a world where government and authority don’t exist, but in the real world, your logic doesn’t work, therefore it’s extremely one-sided.
One thing for sure, to save the next generation of African Americans; WE NEED BLACK HISTORY in the cl*****rooms from PRE-K all the way through HIGH SCHOOL…and I’m not talking about MLK, and Rosa Parks only…
I mean from the day our ancestors stepped on American soil.
YOU WANT CHANGE… You have to start from the beginning!!!!
They only let Bill and others who want to degrade blacks in order to keep the willie lynch system alive. Think about when is there anyone ever saying anything positive? it wouldn’t work
How about having Bill & Oprah as the spokes-persons for this???….
Why not start our history from Africa? The myth that Africa had not history is one that’s believed by most black people, which is sad.
Also, if you read the post from the beginning and read how mean and degrading most of the comments were, you would think they were written by the Klan. However, b/c we were talk to have no self-esteem and to have love and loyalty for YT, we want to prove just how cruel we can be to each other.
WILLIE LYNCHING IS STRONGER THAN EVER!!!
YOU SHOULDN’T HAVE TO DEGRADE ANYONE TO MAKE YOUR POINT
I MEAN IS THERE ANYONE ELSE AFFECTED BY THIS ARTICLE. THIS IS JUST ONE PIECE OF HISTORY THAT IS STILL USED TO THIS DAY AND IT SEEMED TO HAVE GONE OVER MOST OF YOUR HEADS. SAY IT AIN’T SO!
OOPS, I MEANT SAY IT ISN’T SO. I DON’T WANT TO GET JUDGED AND DEGRADED BY MY OWN PEOPLE. EVENTHOUGH I’VE SEEN “EBONICS” BEING USED BY PEOPLE WHO DON’T LOOK LIKE. ARE MANY OF YOU JUST AS HARSH WITH THEM OR DO YOU NOT HAVE THE HEART TO DEGRADE YT LIKE YOU DO YOUR OWN.
I’m sorry but none of that ***** is applicable to anyone here unless that’s how you see yourself and your brethern. Excuse me but most black people, descendents of slaves, don’t freakin kill people, join gangs, rape, and rob, sell dope, do dope – criminals do. So the whole slavery excuse is just that, Bull*****. Unless that’s how you define yourself.
@I’m tire of dumb black people / We can definitely start to the history cl***** in Africa. And just because I didn’t mention starting a cl***** from African does not mean I don’t know where we came from. There is history everywhere. How sad of you no t to mention that…
Slim
It’s hard to say drugs destroyed the community. The community was already destroyed, Drugs just helped some ease the pain. Remember using drugs is a choice. People who are weak do it because it numbs the pain. Also, remember that the GOVERNMENT flooded black communities with drugs after the Black Power movement to unstabalize the community.
I think it’s the illegality of drugs thats the problem. That brings violence and gangs. Drugs are the new alcohol. See the Prohibition.
Many people who are involved in the drug trade are young people who made foolish choices or people who are economically challenged. As long as there was no force involved, they shouldn’t suffer for the rest of their lives for a bad choice.
Isn’t it ironic that Bill is willing to air our dirty laundry in public, yet not willing to air his own?
Whatashame: ***** Willie Lynch and your whole victim mentality. Had black slaves and those who fought and gave their lives in the real *****in civil rights movement had your slave/victim and weak mentality, we’d still be fighting to drink at faucets. I dropped out of HS in the 9th grade, I grew up on the eastside (not east LA) of LA. I was a member of the NOI here in LA and met Kalid Muhammed before he was killed. The NOI btw, teaches the black man is superior to white people and even god, so miss me with blacks can’t be racist. I went to prison when I was 19 for 2nd degree robbery and for commiting great bodily injury after taking a deal from a black dumptruck public defender, and was sentenced to 3 years in the CSP industry, doing almost 2 years. After prison I was married and had three children, I was self-educated and did not see even my prison history which I have to admit to with each job I applied for, stopping me from pursuing my hopes and dreams. Now I’m trying wake mother*****ers up. Can’t *****ody but you hold you back. Stop the Democrat party and the real Uncle Tom House *****’s from being elected to office and ruining our communities and country.
Hi Shawn,
The comment about African history was general. I was not directing it towards you.
The government flooded drugs into the community? Where is the evidence for that, Maxine Waters? Is that something else you HEARD? That’s not knowledge. You’re right, people do have choices and everyone of us should exercise good judgement. But so does Nelly, the same ghetto story in hip hop, you have a choice to make that *****. KRS ONE, didn’t make that *****, or Tribe, or the JBs, X-Clan, Cube later, etc.
Rich Drew,
Gary Webb, a white journalist exposed the government to the point where he was “suicided”.
Btw, no HS Diploma, no college degree, 2 years in prison, 33, and now I’m making $45,000 a year salary. It’s up to you what you want in this country. You can be anything here, ESPECIALLY if you’re black and a man at that. That’s why empty-headed Obama is so popular with people of all persuasions. He ain’t getting my vote because he’s a member of a party destroying black people through socialist policies, but he is black and he is electable. So was Powell, so would be Rice or any other black candidate. Sharpton or Messy Jackson hell to the no never!
so who do think is supposed to critise us, white people? cause when they do that, they start to lose their jobs.
Dude where was his case, if such a thing was happening it would’ve been exposed and front page liberal news. Hell International news even. But hey, I saw Deep Cover too.
catfish
Gotta love how Cosby removes historical context from his discussion. Maybe the number of blacks in prison has something to do with the disparity in sentencing of nonviolent drug offenses? Maybe???
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Catfish what does it matter that they are putting black men in for nonviolent drug offenses. DRUGS HAVE DESTROYED THE BLACK COMMUNITY!! Why are we upset that this trash is being put into jail?
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Seattle Slim/The Beatniks you are totally correct I get tired of the excuses where is the personal responsibility. You made a good point. People like catfish should be outraged instead of making excuses. Why aren’t people like him disgusted at the fact that there is a problem of dealing and using drugs in the black community that should be the real question!
WHO IS THE PERSON THAT POSTS THE COMMENTS ON THIS SITE…YOU GUYS SOUND LIKE THE TYPICAL AMERICAN- a GREEDY, SELFISH, FAT, GAS-GUZZLING, HYPOCRIT.
BILL COSBY, LIKE ME, CARES ABOUT THE BLACK COMMUNITY…WHY DO YOU THINK HIS SHOW WAS SO POSITIVE???..DON’T HATE ON HIM
Bill Cosby is right. He may not be the person we want to hear it from but he’s right. It is truly ignorant to continue subscribing to myths that it’s only the white man holding us back. RACISMis alive and well…however, we black people sure know how to continously f*** things up all by ourselves. COME ON PEOPLE. Buy a pair of Stephon Marbury’s shoes for your kid. Stop letting the television raise your kids. Buy them books. Reading is fundamental.
Bossip your’re the stupid one. Bill is just airing out the dirty laundary within the african american community. The truth hurts, doesn’t it!!! That’s why you’re reacting so intensely.
Like most people who commented he is NOT an Uncle Tom and its better late than never. Unfortunately for our black community the truth is what it is and its true, half these kids with 300 dollar sneakers cant read. If we spent as half as much the time we did spending on sneakers instead on education we’d have a lot more successful people in other genres besides music and athletics! That is what becomes a stereotype! The truth hurts and people need to stop justifying it and making it okay and MAKE the change!
If you to go my blog you’ll see a white DNA geneticist just came out with “proof” that blacks are less intelligent. What do we have right now to go up to bat against that f*ckfaced *****???
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@Seattle Slim
Ok, there are a lot of misconceptions about what James Watson said about blacks being less intelligent than whites.
1)Neither Watson, nor any scientist has found any conclusive genetic evidence to prove that blacks are less intelligent than whites. He’s basing most of his *****umptions on IQ tests. Even he had to admit that.
2)Just because Watson and Crick won the *****el Prize for their “discovery” of DNA (though it’s widely known that Rosalind Frank, a woman, was never credited for her contribution to the DNA discovery, which was the basis for Watson’s work), Watson is not an evolutionary biologist. So unless he can produce genetic proof to substantiate his theory, he’s not a credible expert in this field.
3)Watson also has a book coming out, and nothing drums up puclicity like race baiting. The holes in his theory are big enough to drive a Mack truck through. Until he can substantiate his theory with genetic proof, he’s a blithering old white man who’s been running off at the mouth for years about women this, minorities that, as if Anglos and Saxons weren’t thought to be barbaric to the Romans who conquered them and as if Europeans were the ones who built the pyramids, which no one has been able to figure out how they did it, without the modern technology that we have today.
4)Dr. Jared Diamond is an evolutionary biologist, and he posits a more intellectual explanation for the disparities in technological progess among civilizations in his book “Guns, Germs, and Steel.” It’s a must cop. Diamond, kicks serious knowledge, and if you don’t want to read the book, at least watch the PBS special.
In a nutshell, Jared suggests that these disparities can be attributed to three things, climate (preferrably not sub tropic where the warmth breads disease), proximity to domesticable farm animals (for food and farming), and access to crops like rice and wheat that could be stored for long periods of time and used to feed large populations. Most, if not all, of the fewer than 20 types of domesticable farm animals, as well as rice/ wheat crops are indiginous to and located on the same longitude-latitude plane as what we now know as Europe/ Asia-Middle East. Since agriculture is the basis of civilization as we know it, populations that resided along that plane got the jump on civilizations that did not.
Ok,now that’s all I’m gonna say. I’m not getting into this Bill Cosby foolishness.
Uptown girl
You missed me with that *****. Why should I be “outraged” that people are using drugs? People have dominion over their own bodies. I wouldn’t have it any other way. That’s what freedom is about. Sometimes people make choices you don’t like. Should I be outraged that people drink beer and smoke cigarettes? Should I torture my nervous system because someone wants to abuse their body? I think not. I am more outraged at the number of women in my community who have ***** kids and who p***** out vd!!
Here’s Dr. Cosby’s site
http://billcosby.com/
Hey ilish, please tell me you are more intelligent than this. Please tell me you don’t look to the same Tuskeegee type white racist to tell you what and who you are. Who cares what this fool says, how does that impact you and yours unless you believe that bull*****. Maaan, we’re smarter than that!
@ Rich Drew
Whats with you and Democrats? My sister went to Med school and 1/3rd the students were on Welfare which they used to suppliment their student loans. Rush Limbaugh with his two faced self was once on the dole. And when his drug case was hot, he wasn’t so hard on the ACLU when they fought to keep his medical files private. I was thought not to relay on any party but to vote for people who will further the better interests. Don’t be a fool. You made mistakes and did good, but trust me (I know) you could’ve done much better if you knew how to follow the system. Whites talk Democrat and Republican but watch what they vote for, they don’t vote parties they vote priorities.
Don’t think 2D.
Hilary and Bill has done alot for p*****ing laws enhancing the protection of abused children and *****uring battered women will have better chances in courts which were once so conversative that the abuser actually have an advantage (I worked on many such cases). Obama increased awareness and treatment given to inner city Asthmatics, in doing so increasing their school attendance and achivement rates.
BTW female ***** stars make $100,000 a year. So yeah anything can be done. Under any administration.
Also, Bill speaks well but to a very very small portion of the black community. Gang Rap dropped 30% this year because whites (its biggest buyers) are growing up and turning to rock. The only music genre making money this year has been Gospel which has a thriving black audience.
thought=taught
Bill Cosby was right. Not “Tomish” about it.
Thanks, Bossip!! Bill Cosby really is an Uncle Tom.
BTW, no one ever comments that 60% of WHITE babies are born out of wedlock, or that 51% of white women are unmarried. I wonder why.
I really appreciate the Willie Lynch letter!!
Looks like you’re {creator of this site} is so-called “ignorant”. What Bill has been preachin’ is simply the harsh truth. We- well I cannot say we because yes I’m black if you see me, but not African American. I was raised in a Caribbean background where everything Bill Cosby has been finally preaching and airing the backward ways of African Americans are all issues my parents spoke about growing up. I think its ridiculous African Americans are getting upset- if anything those who are calling Bill ignorant and “uncle-tom” need to question themselves, seriously. Come On People!!!
…Now y’all know all the harriet tubman’s, w.e.b. duBois’s, and Martin Luther’s are turning in their graves- with all of what they’ve done to advance black people living in the US, and this is the return, check this site and BET. It’s a damn shame and that’s why I can proudly say that I identify myself as Caribbean-American instead of African-American’s. I just can’t get ya’ll sometimes. Come On People!!!
DesirAble,
You island folks always did like to separate yourselves from the rest of us. As if you’re viewed any differently – black is black.
We are a proud, strong, and high-achieving people. If you’re looking hard enough for criticism in any particulation situation, you’re likely to find it. I could easily talk about the barefoot people in the islands selling poisonous grapes and marijuana, but I’m too polite to make that statement. Boogie on, Reggae *****!!!
@ANGIE
THATS WHAT I’M TALKING ABOUT.YOU WOMEN LOVE THE DRUG DEALERS ANS THE MEN WHO ARE IN AND OUT OF JAIL.OF COURSE YOU HAVE TO BLAME THE FATHER FOR HAVING A CHILD WITH SOMEONE HE DOESN’T EVEN LIKE.WHAT I’AM SAYING IS THAT THEY NEVER BLAME THE WOMEN.ITS ALMOST LIKE ITS A GOOD THING NOWADAYS TO BE A SINGLE PARENT.
@ANGIE
THATS WHAT I’M TALKING ABOUT.YOU WOMEN LOVE THE DRUG DEALERS AND THE MEN WHO ARE IN AND OUT OF JAIL.OF COURSE YOU HAVE TO BLAME THE FATHER FOR HAVING A CHILD WITH SOMEONE HE DOESN’T EVEN LIKE.WHAT I’AM SAYING IS THAT THEY NEVER BLAME THE WOMEN.ITS ALMOST LIKE ITS A GOOD THING NOWADAYS TO BE A SINGLE PARENT.
The Willie Lynch letter is a fake.
Just like Bill Gates charging 5cents per email,
AND
HIV infscted syringes in vending machine coin slots,
AND
Victims waking up in tubs of ice with their kidneys removed.
the message in it is good, and eerily descriptive but it still is fiction.
@Lady Of Wisdom,
LOL You better get the ***** on with that BULL*****. Statistics have proven several years in a row that African and Caribbean Immigrants OUTPERFORM their black and white american counterparts.
They also have higher percentages of getting bachelor’s and master’s degrees…..
So you can go boogie the ***** on……….
Lady of WisNOT
O how you contradict yourself. You can saw whatever you want about Caribbean folks, but when we come to the US, we’re simply on a mission. And I know for a fact that we Caribbeans value education. If you look at the facts, with the rising numbers of “blacks” attending higher education institutions are in fact those of Cribbean and African immigrants. So you can say all you want. All I know is that what Bill is saying is something I’ve been hearing since I was child, and is just irritates me to see that black folks like you, me, and Bill are calling Bill Cosby names like “Uncle Tom”. What de hell?? Obviously its YOU (African-Americans) are seperating each other- as for me, I’m just stating a fact. I’m Caribbean American, thank you!
PS. And love always rests in my heart for all BLACKs around the world, including this country. PEACE!
Anonymous said:
I was thought not to relay on any party but to vote for people who will further the better interests. In the interests of failed schools, gangs, drugs, no personal responsibility, socialism – your interests not mine.
What’s with me and Democrats?
As far as I’m concerned the Uncle Tom’s and House Negros are those who support those whose policies and practices continue the legacy of slavery by continuing to stifle black growth and avancement – And that’s the Democrat Party who is aided and abetted by so-called Black Leaders
• Democrats supported slavery and fought and gave their lives to expand it
• Democrats p*****ed the Fugitive Slave Laws of 1793 and 1854
• Democrats p*****ed the Missouri Compromise of 1820 to protect slavery
• Democrats p*****ed the Kansas Nebraska Act of 1854 to expand slavery (the Republican Party was founded in 1854 in opposition this Act and slavery in genral)
• Democrats supported and backed the Dread Scott decision of 1857
• Democrats supported and p*****ed Jim Crow Laws and Black Codes (Republicans fought to end Jim Crow Laws and Black Codes)
• Democrats opposed the Freedman’s Bureau of 1865 as it pertained to blacks
• Democrats opposed the Eman*****tion Proclamation of 1863 (Republican President Abraham Lincoln made the decree and signed it into law)
• Democrats opposed the 13th (1865), 14th (1866), and 15th (1869) Amendments to end slavery, make blacks citizens, and to grant blacks the right to vote (Radical and Moderate Republicans helped draft and p*****ed these Amendments)
• Democrats opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1866 (A Republican controlled congress p*****ed this Act over the veto of Democrat President Andrew Johnson)
• Democrats establish the Ku Klux Klan (1866) as the terrorist arm of the Democratic Party to oppose reconstruction efforts of Black and White Republicans and any and all civil rights granted to free Black people
• Democrats opposed the Reconstruction Act of 1867 (A Republican controlled congress again p*****es Act over the veto of Democrat President Andrew Johnson)
• Democrats opposed the Ku Klux Klan Act of 1871 (Republican controlled Congress p*****es the Act and Republican President Ulysees S. Grant signs into law)
• Democrats opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1875 (Republican controlled Congress p*****es Act and Republican President Ulysees S. Grant signs into law)
• Many Democrats (not all) opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1957 (Republicans helped p***** and Republican President “Ike” Eisenhower signed into law)
• Many Democrats (not all) opposed the Civil Rights Act of 1964 (80% of Republicans voted in favor as opposed to 60% of Democrats)
• Many Democrats (not all) opposed the Voting Rights Act of 1965 (Republicans overwhelmingly supported the Act, G.W. Bush extended the Act in 2006)
• The Democratic Party was known as the “Party of White Supremacy” from 1792 to 1962 producing racists propaganda like The Birth of a Nation (an anti-republican KKK glorification film, The Clansman, The Leopard’s Spot, racists tracks, etc.
• Today the Democratic Party continues to advance policies and practices that persist to cause great damage and detriment to black Americans everywhere and they have yet to acknowledge or publicly apologize for these atrocities committed against black people in the name of their party.
*****’em, Nuff Said.
BTW, no one ever comments that 60% of WHITE babies are born out of wedlock, or that 51% of white women are unmarried. I wonder why.
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@Lisa In Jersey,
YOU need to check your stats because they’re wrong. You are soooooo off with your number it’s bad. Try again.
@ Seattle Slim
I don’t give a damn what the statistics are. She has no right coming on here insulting a large group of people, saying she’s glad to separate herself from us. I’ll bet my life on the fact that I’m living a hell of a lot better than she. Furthermore, since I’m not full of self-hatred, I have a better outlook on life. Defend her and the likes of Bill Cosby all you want, but please do not insult me in the process.
If blacks “like me” had not paved the way, her black ***** wouldn’t be allowed in the states!!
ThanK YOU Seattle Slim!
Seattle Slim – you are “SOOOO” obviously white. Get off these boards, troll!!
@ SEATTLE SLIM,
Oh, I believe they’re quite correct – wishful thinking on your part, I suppose.
About the FAKE Willie Lynch Letter:
http://www.blackamericaweb.com/site.aspx/sayitloud/kane901
Willie Lynch is Dead (1712?-2003)
There are many problems with this do*****ent — not the least of which is the fact that it is absolutely fake.
By William Jelani Cobb
Africana.com
I long ago stopped listening to sentences that begin with “The problem with black people is,” or end with “and that’s why black people can’t get ahead now,” which partly explains my initial indifference to the now-famous William Lynch Speech.
In the few years since the speech on how to train slaves first appeared, it has been cited by countless college students and a black member of the House of Representatives, along the way becoming the essential verbal footnote in barbershop *****ysis of what’s wrong with black people. The rapper Talib Kweli laments on the song “Know That,” “blacks are dyin’/how to make a slave/by Willie Lynch is still applyin’,” and one professor at a Midwestern university made the speech required reading for her cl*****. Of late, the frequency of its citations seems to be increasing — at least three people have asked me about it in the last month.
According to the speech’s preface, Master Lynch was concerned enough with the fortunes of his slave-holding brethren in the American colonies to present a lecture on the bank of the James River, explaining how to keep unruly servants disunited. The old, he argued, should be pitted against the young, the dark against the light, the male against the female and so on. Such disunifying tactics “will control the slaves for at least 300 years,” he guaranteed. And that, it seems, is why black people can’t get ahead now.
There are many problems with this do*****ent — not the least of which is the fact that it is absolutely fake.
As a historian, I am generally skeptical of smoking guns. Historical work, like forensic science, isn’t some flashy field — it depends on the painstaking aggregation of facts that lead researchers to the most likely explanation, but rarely the only one. Slavery was an incredibly complex set of social, economic and legal relations that literally boiled down to black and white. But given the variation in size of farms, number of enslaved workers, region, crops grown, law, gender-ratios, religion and local economy, it is unlikely that a single letter could explain slave policy for at least 151 years of the institution and its ramifications down to the present day.
Considering the limited number of extant sources from 18th century, if this speech had been “discovered,” it would’ve been the subject of incessant historical panels, scholarly articles and debates. It would literally be a career-making find. But the letter was never “discovered.” Rather, it simply “appeared” on the Internet — byp*****ing the official historical circuits and making its way directly into the canon of American racial conspiratoria
THANKS, BOSSIP. FINALLY, SOMEONE WITH THE GUTS TO CALL THIS OLD SENILE FOOL WHAT HE IS – AN UNCLE TOM!!!!!!!!!
Bill O. You can go ***** yourself. Just because I ain’t one of these ignorant, HOUSE NEGROES making excuses don’t make me white SLAVE.
Love to kiss m*****a’s ***** you’re so far up it. Making excuses to STAY on the plantation.
And Lisa BACK your stats up because I can back up my *****ertion that YOU are wrong. Wanna bet???
Thank you Voice Of Reason. You can always tell the real BLACK INTELLIGENTSIA from the fakes…….
For Lisa In Jersey:
http://72.14.205.104/search?q=cache:GF1pzO-ulcAJ:www.guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/3428602.pdf+number+of+black+unwed+mothers+versus+white&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=4&gl=us
MAKE sure you read it. Oh but I’m not done. I got more coming your way. I hope you like to read.
For Lisa In Jersey:
http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2006/10/life_without_da.php
Ignorance begets Ignorance
We read that Willie Lynch letter that miraculously “first” appears on the internet and accept it as fact. Since you all will believe ANYTHING, here is my story:
FROM: Mr. Willie Lynch
Central Bank of Nigeria
Lagos, Nigeria
TO: Bossip Reader
Dear Sir/Mam:
I have been requested by the Nigerian National Petroleum Company to contact you for *****istance in resolving a matter. The Nigerian National Petroleum Company has recently concluded a large number of contracts for oil exploration in the sub-Sahara region. The contracts have immediately produced moneys equalling US$40,000,000. The Nigerian National Petroleum Company is desirous of oil exploration in other parts of the world, however, because of certain regulations of the Nigerian Government, it is unable to move these funds to another region.
You *****istance is requested as a non-Nigerian citizen to *****ist the Nigerian National Petroleum Company, and also the Central Bank of Nigeria, in moving these funds out of Nigeria. If the funds can be transferred to your name, in your United States account, then you can forward the funds as directed by the Nigerian National Petroleum Company. In exchange for your accomodating services, the Nigerian National Petroleum Company would agree to allow you to retain 10%, or US$4 million of this amount.
However, to be a legitimate transferee of these moneys according to Nigerian law, you must presently be a depositor of at least US$100,000 in a Nigerian bank which is regulated by the Central Bank of Nigeria.
If it will be possible for you to *****ist us, we would be most grateful. We suggest that you meet with us in person in Lagos, and that during your visit I introduce you to the representatives of the Nigerian National Petroleum Company, as well as with certain officials of the Central Bank of Nigeria.
Please call me at your earliest convenience at [Phone Number]. Time is of the essence in this matter; very quickly the Nigerian Government will realize that the Central Bank is maintaining this amount on deposit, and attempt to levy certain depository taxes on it.
Yours truly, etc.
Willie Lynch
http://www.jointcenter.org/DB/factsheet/livarg.htm
No one is responding to Seattle Slim – we all know he’s white!!! LOL
I agree w/Uncle Bill 1000% – he’s speaking the truth and until we accept this “reality” – we’ll remain at the bottom of the economic ladder. I don’t know who writes for Bossip, but calling him Uncle Tom lets me know what side of the bridge riding on. We got 2 kinds of black folk: The ones who are out there getting theirs, in spite of the obstacles; and the ones who are out there waiting for somebody to give them something because of the obstacles. Wake up and stop waiting on your 40acres and mule – even if you got it, you probably couldn’t pay the taxes on it and you’d end up putting rims on the mule. Wake up People or get left behind.
Voice Of Reason:
Touche! Whoever used this letter against Bill Cosby and his supporters showed that they have no business arguing against the man period.
Like I said, he was 100% blunt. Black America needs to heed that wakeup call because ***** is NOT okay. High homicide rates, high rates of unwed mothers, etc. How many would bet your life that if you asked black kids about their history that they would not disappoint? Everybody knows the lyrics to Soulja Boy’s latest crap ***** song, but can’t even begin to tell you what the Black National Anthem is……..
DAMNED SHAME
lol @ Joe K aka Bill O. *****ody is responding because I told them to get their *****es back to the *****ing drawingboard.
HOUSE *****.
Lady Of Wisdom is Lisa In Jersey Is Bill O is Joe K and D.C Todd……..
You might want to change your homepage buddy.
lol
i’m tired of dumb black people
Kdogg, if you want to promote your theory, WRITE A BOOK.
I ask you again, how does an average American take personal responsiblity for a 10,000 hospital bill? How about a weak economy? Rising cost of gas? High cost of living?
Your logic works in a world where government and authority don’t exist, but in the real world, your logic doesn’t work, therefore it’s extremely one-sided.
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If I did write a book I wouldnt expect you read and understand it since you cant even comprehend the logic in my posts on this site. Too bad, because you would be my target audience.
What are you talking about? My logic doesnt work?
I said that if you are a personally responsible person that you can succeed even when society fails you. Thats the truth. I didnt say that life would be easy or fair. I didnt say that you wouldnt have to work hard all of your life, I just said that you CAN have a degree of success.
A person that has everything given to them but lacks personal responsibility will fail.
Thats also the truth.
And to answer the question about the average American paying a $10,000 hospital bill. The average American between the ages of 19-64(70%) has health insurance. If you don’t have insurance and you could have had it then you are one of the personally irresponsible. If you have insurance and it doesnt cover the bill or you can’t get insurance(through no fault of your own) then you will have to figure out how to pay for it. The same way you figured out how to buy your house, car, clothes, and food. And yes I know that there are programs to help people in that situation if they qualify. However, everyone doesn’t qualify and i am speaking from experience and MY bill was $30,000 and I paid it off eventually.
Seattle Slim! Check For Me!
Lady Of Wisdom is Lisa In Jersey Is Bill O is Joe K and D.C Todd……..
You might want to change your homepage buddy. lol
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BUSTED!!!!
Seattle Slim
add cleveland lady to that list. Same person.
and…
samuel, Khari, and Stan.
I’m curious to know how Bill Cosby is supposed to stop a black mother/father from buying herself/himself/their child a pair of $500 sneakers?!?!
The tennis shoes are not the issue. The issue is the parents of children that are failing in school buying their children the $500 pair of tennis shoes. I am an educator and I have witnessed parents who would rather buy a PS3 than get their child who is in middle school reading on a 3rd grade level the extra help they need (such as tutoring). I’ve seen parents defend their child in situations where the evidence (such as videotape) shows that their child is wrong. What kind of adult is that young person going to be? What happened to instilling accountability? Then the teachers/educators get blamed for that child’s shortcomings. But when you are dealing with an average cl***** size of 38 students per cl*****, the reality is a teacher has little time to be a parent.
It’s sad b/c I see so many young, black men and women with potential, but they have no guidance at home. I definitely use my platform to try to make a difference, but with NCLB, test scores are EVERYTHING. There many parents who do a commendable job with their children.
I agree w/ what Bill Cosby said and how he said it. It’s time to stop sugarcoating the issues and let some of these parents know that they are setting their children up to be unprepared for the realities of life as an adult. Before you can work to find a solution to a problem, you have to *****yze and understand the problem.
Bill cosby is apart of the Boule . All he wants to do is flaunt his success ,and talk about the problems of the BLACK MAN. OK we get it we have problems. SO NOW WHAT BILL? Guess what he has no answers because he is not interested in helping. He just wants to talk us to death. Do for self and move on. Stop looking for leaders. and lead your damn self.
http://www.daghettotymz.com/rkyvz/articles/boule%27series/boule1-3roster/boule1/boulept1.html
OK WE ACCEPT THE TRUTH . SO WHAT IS THE SOLUTION. BILL TALKED A WHOLE HOUR NOT ONE SOLUTION. *****GOT ***** . BOULE ***** *****.
Rich Drew
The Democrats did not establish the KKK, nor did they produce “Birth of a Nation” or any of the other films listed. Southern Democrats (which later voted with Republicans) did oppose Civil Rights Measures. However, this was by no means all Democrats. And Bush signed the Voting Rights Extension under heated debated that should never had reached the contention it did.
It was the Republican Reagan who famously protrayed the average Welfare cheat as a black woman with multiple children by different men driving a cadillac. When in fact the average Welfare receiptant at the time was a white single mother. However, that sterotype went on to taint not only the debate on race but how successful social programs may be.
The average person on welfare stayed on for 5 years. Then rotated off, usually to paying jobs. The great change in the law in the 1990s only codified what was already happening. Part of the success of the 1990s Welfare overhaul was adjustments made for the health care and school care of children. Childcare being the number one reason welfare mothers found it hard to find work. (Only 12% of welfare takers were families with two parents, 8% men, and only 10% were cl*****ed as cheaters).
The Reagan revolution occured during the reign of a Democratic Congress, like the Clinton revolution happened with a Republican Congress.
While most Americans vote according partyline for National elections, they tend to cross party lines when voting locally. This suggests party affilation means less as issues come closer to home.
All going to support me, vote for people with plans, and not blindly follow party loyalites.
Also, how can negros keep talking about being independent when they blame the Welfare and other systems for keeping them enslaved? Do they not have the choice of using the system and leaving once their goals are set? I know plenty of people who went through Welfare and now doing fine. They had goals and stuck with them. So stop trying to defer the blame.
As for Cosby. Same thing. This is not a black issue. In my day it was rock n roll. Black people get over yourselves. It’s not a black issue its a cl***** issue. Blacks that can, move from the blacks who can’t that is why certain black areas have high crime rates, while other blacks (in better neighborhoods)are wondering what why he’s whining so much.
Blacks are sepatating by income like the rest of America, it’s showing in these posts.
Im betting my last dollar the person in charge of bossip grew up with out a father in the slums. For you to state such a headline shows that you are the exact people Mr. Cosby was referring to. How sad *****s will always be *****s, yes i said *****s, and i am black. *****s are ignorant people and most blacks are ignorant when it comes to the state of mind they are in. blacks are only 13% of the US population but make up 49% of the prison population. something is wrong with us as a people, black females are the largest carriers of HIV, something is wrong with us as a people, wake the ***** up and see that blacks are in bad shape man. Most people that visit this site are blacks and I guarantee half the visitors don’t or will never attain a college degree. Get your priorities right or we will continue to be the bottom of the barre, education is key. To the bossip staff, you are just another example of how stupid and ignorant most blacks are to reality.
For those of you with blinders on go out and purchase or borrow from the library the book by Michael Dyson titled is Bill Cosby Right, In that book it disects every off the wall idiotic comment Bill Cosby has stated in his previous books and there has been alot of them. It’s easy to look down from you Ivory Tower and point at the m*****es and tell us how *****ed up you are, any dumb***** can do that but it takes a real leader to step up without trying to put his own race down and implement some of the so called steps he’s calling us to do. He needs to go crawl up under one of those white hags he loves to molest. I dont give a ***** that he went on Oprah and is now trying to retrack from the ignorant, degrading, comments he made about “sheniqua’s and dantes” what the ***** how about we all be good little *****s and name our kids tom and sally, would that change anything? what about being proud of your african heritage? every black person isn’t a crack head and every white person ain’t a saint, so ***** him yes he is a uncle tom and he can take his slave antics back to the plantation to m*****a! Good little puppet! I know he made the kkk’s day “see even bill cosby doesn’t like his own kind”
Kdogg, name a group of people who’s had everything handed to them and failed because they lacked personal responsibility? I dare you to! When have your bull***** theory been tested? Do tell!
“And to answer the question about the average American paying a $10,000 hospital bill. The average American between the ages of 19-64(70%) has health insurance. If you don’t have insurance and you could have had it then you are one of the personally irresponsible. If you have insurance and it doesnt cover the bill or you can’t get insurance(through no fault of your own) then you will have to figure out how to pay for it. The same way you figured out how to buy your house, car, clothes, and food. And yes I know that there are programs to help people in that situation if they qualify. However, everyone doesn’t qualify and i am speaking from experience and MY bill was $30,000 and I paid it off eventually.”
OMG, you are sooooooooo desperate. Although your apparent arrogance is not allowing you to admit the importance of social responsiblity, you sorta admitted by bringing up programs that exist to help American citizens . Please stop making it seem as if everybody in this country can afford even a 5,000 bill. I swear you must be living in paradise right, with your nose up in the air, and your personal responsible ***** and *****.
And you forgot the other questions: Weak economy? Rising cost of gas? High cost of living? The average California home is 600,000! Do your math to see what the monthly mortgage would be! The rest of the country is no different!
***** Bill Cosby, I agree. What really threw me off about him is when he criticized “black” names. And people still can’t see through his *****.
Damn!!!! Almost 500 post I see you “TOMS” like to run your mouths as much as your Hero does.
@ DesirAble
Louis Farrakhan was born in Jamaica – it’s a good thing he doesn’t think the way you do.
Even Larry King compared Cosby to Clarence Thomas – much to Cosby’s horror. What did he expect??
Why is it when someone tells the truth about us, we get offended. We all know there are those who will put their children in “Name Brand” clothes instead of investing in a higher education. Being cute is apparently more important than being educated.
After reading about 20 of the comments I realize that Bill Cosby has really hit some homes. What is also apparent is that most of the people who have a positive out look on the subjuct have been affected by the negative effect of the situation at hand. I believe that as many said the trueth hurts. If the comment a person made on Bill’s view was negative it probably means that the person wants to validate what they are doing wrong. People are listening to his message with personal bias, and fail to realize that his message more simply put says PARENTS GET INVOLVED WITH YOUR CHILDREN!!! it starts at the begining. If we say things are already bad F it then they will continue in the same path.
PLEASE WATCH THE WHOLE INTERVIEW THEN COMMENT.
PEOPLE OPEN YOUR EYES AND SEE THAT THE MORE YOU FIGHT THE APARENT TRUTH THE MORE OUR CHILDREN WILL SUFFER! THE MORE YOU FIGHT WHAT HE SAID THE LESS OF A CHANCE YOUR CHILDREN WILL HAVE A POSITIVE FUTURE! ITS NOT A RACE THING! THE ONLY REASON THAT RACE COMES ABOUT IS BECAUSE THE MOJORITY OF MID-LOW AND LOW INCOME FAMILIES ARE COLORED PEOPLE. HMMM WHY IS IT YOU DON’T SEE WHITE ARTIST ON TV CALLING EACH OTHER CRACKERS OR HOES ! WHITE PEOPLE DON’T HAVE TO WORK HARD AT KEEPING US DOWN WE DO IT ALL ON OUR OWN!
oh one last comment before I go! for the lost people that didn’t here him make a suggestion on how to improve the situation… for those looking for an answer or a solution… LISTEN TO IT AGAIN! GET I N V O L V E D WITH YOUR CHILDREN!!!!!!
i’m tired of dumb black people
• Kdogg, name a group of people who’s had everything handed to them and failed because they lacked personal responsibility? I dare you to! When have your bull***** theory been tested? Do tell!
• Name a group of people who shed their victim mentality, became accountable, answerable, and responsible for the lives they lived/created(Personally Responsible) and still failed. YOU CAN’T!
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• OMG, you are sooooooooo desperate. Although your apparent arrogance is not allowing you to admit the importance of social responsiblity, you sorta admitted by bringing up programs that exist to help American citizens .
• I never said that social responsibility wasn’t important. I did say that it was less important than Personal Responsibility. Way less important. I think you are the only person that will argue against that. You have to take ownership of Your own life, your own choices, no matter what life throws at you.
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• Please stop making it seem as if everybody in this country can afford even a 5,000 bill. I swear you must be living in paradise right, with your nose up in the air, and your personal responsible ***** and *****.
• I never said that. There are people that can’t even afford their next meal let alone a $5000 bill. However if their lack of peronal responsibility is what got them in the position of not being able to afford it…its their fault!
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• And you forgot the other questions: Weak economy? Rising cost of gas? High cost of living? The average California home is 600,000! Do your math to see what the monthly mortgage would be! The rest of the country is no different!
• So what are you saying here? Life can be hard. You might not be able to afford that new lace-front. You might not be able to live in Cali. You might need to carpool. The price of food has gone up too. I bet you still manage to get that Big Mac every night. Oh, and taxes have gone up well. I mean how else do you expect to pay for the social programs?
Mr. Cosby hit the nail on the head! All I know is, I will be doing my part with my 2 children, and I can only pray that other parents will do the same.
SGKM
Wow! You guys are all over the place on this post, so let me add my little bit. No, I do not think that Cosby is an “Uncle Tom.” I think that Uncle Tom is an outdated and offensive derogatory term that has no place in our dialogue, much like the N word. Cosby has some very valid points that need to be examined in our communities. The simplest solutions begin in our own homes, schools, and neighborhoods. When we rely on the government, or the generosity of benefactors, we often do not achieve the desired end result.
@SGKM
Thats what we need.
If everyone did that, Black and White, we wouldnt even have discussions like this.
Imagine this:
A man on a cruise ship is suddenly thrown overboard after a big wave. He is in the ocean near the ship, and he can’t swim. It is dark and no one sees him. He cries for help and no one hears him. He sees other p*****engers standing near the edge of the ship wearing life vests. If they had fallen in at least their vests would have kept them afloat. He wasn’t lucky enough to have a vest, only the first cl***** p*****engers had one.
He realizes that he cant do anything about that now. He is faced with an immediate challenge and only has a few choices. He can:
• Give up and sink
• Give up and hope that someone will see him and throw him a lifeline before he hits bottom
• Tread water and hope the waves carry him to safety before he tires out
• Try his best to stay afloat and try to swim toward the boat or s*****
I would think that the best option would be the last option. At least you take as much control of your situation as you can instead of giving up or letting the waves carry you.
Black America is somewhat like that man. No one sees or hear your cries for help or they just don’t care. We don’t know the system…we can’t “swim.” Its not always your fault you are where you’re at. However, since you have found yourself here, what are you going to do about it? Sink or swim.
BTW,
The above story was about Personal Responsibility. taking charge of your own life and holding yourself accountable. No matter what obstacles life throws at you.
Personal Responsibility
Sorry about that…Bad likn. try this one:
Personal Responsibility
OK, that was my politically correct response. Now it’s time to step on some toes: YOU ARE A PART OF THE PROBLEM IF: You spend $300 on PS2 games, when your child is making D’s.
You blog on Bossip all night, but do not have time to review you kids schoolwork.
You spend $$$ on the latest designer duds, but your lights are about to get cut off as we speak.
You never miss “Thirsty Thursdays” at the club, but you have never met your kids’ Teacher.
You named you child Abcdefghijk, but you call him BayBay, because he can’t *****ounce or spell it.
You have money for rims, weave, weed, etc. but a tutor to help your 9 year old who is in the 1st grade is out of the question.
I could go on and on, but I hope you get my point. Since when did being responsible parents, education, working for living, and wishing for a better life become white attributes? Why is personal responsibility a thing to be scorned? Yes, some of us were dealt a bad hand. It is not easy being Black and poor in Amerikkka. Rampant crime and drug use does not help. We are the most privileged or our generations, yet we seem to be doing so much worse. So when is enough enough? Aren’t you sick and tired of being sick and tired? When do we take back our streets from the criminals? When do we insist on justice for us? When do we invest in our schools? When do we demand decent living wages? When do we support our own? When do we hold our politicians accountable? When do we get right, or get left behind? Are you ready for the Revolution?
Where can I buy $500 sneakers? Someone please tell me.
Kdogg, your cruise ship story is on point.
Kdogg, why do you insist on dodging the questions? That is like so lazy on your part!
I ask you again, high gas prices? Weak economy? High cost of living? Are you afraid if you answer the questions directly, you may very well see how the two responsiblities go hand and hand?
1. How does a person work if no job is available to them?
2. A person who can’t afford to travel with the high price of gas?
3. The cost of owning a home, or even renting, have risen over the past few years. The cost of housing can be as high as 10 times a person’s salary! And, of course, these social factors breeds poverty, and then it becomes a cycle.
The personal responsibility argument is nothing new. In life, you commit a crime, you pay for it. You decide to go to work late, your’re not compensated for it. All of that stuff is already known, and never did I disagree that personal responsiblity isn’t important or necessary for survival, but what I won’t do is compare the two, because as I will continue to say, they go hand and hand.
I grew up in the hood, and had to push myself to go to college because I felt no one believed in me – and I wasn’t sure I believed in myself. I saw nothing but negativity around me. I finally gained the strength to realize what I wanted, BUT without the grants and the subsidized student loans, I would not have been able to make it. I could have had all the personal responsiblity I want, but without the Minority Educational Opportunity Program, I would not have went to college because my parents couldn’t afford it. So, again, the two go hand and hand.
It’s human nature to want to survive. *****ody wants to die or live uncomfortably. We all want to live happy, so our natural instincts is to do what we need to do to get there. HOWEVER, the negative social forces that surround cannot be dismissed or downplayed.
The word OPPRESSION, SUPRESSION, POWER, SUPREMACY, exist for a *****ing reason, man. Seriously, how many rich people do you know who produce generations of poor kins? Maybe you need to get your head out of your *****, like fuh sho!
And please do not answer my question with a question. You’re proving yourself to be very desperate!
Anyone who criticizes Cosby is an idiot. Anyone who criticizes him because of his personal life and past is a COMPLETE AND UTTER *****TARD. It’s the message, not the messenger that counts. Khari, i’m tired of dumb black people, catfish and Carman De La Cruz are dumber than hell.
kdogg,
You do not live in an anarchic society. You live in a society where you are governed by other men. The government, on the federal, state, and local level is a prime example of social responsibilty.
And so are…
Pre schools
Elementary Schools
Junior High Schools
High Schools
Colleges & Universities
Technical and Trade Schools
Religious Institutions
The Police (In theory at least)
Firefighters
Ambulance
Employment Agencies
Health Insurance
FDA (In theory at least)
FCC
FAA
USDA
The American disability Act
The Fair Credit Billing Act
The Fair Credit Billing Act
The College Cost Reduction and Access Act
Department of Housing and Urban Development
American Holistic Medical *****ociation
American Medical *****ociation
and the *****ing list continues…
Police
Firefighters
The police, Church, Education, nonprofit orgnaizations (There exist millions in America alone),
I hate you too, Little Wing.
Congress
United Nations
@ Kdogg–
You KO’d me with that!!! Lol!!!
That was a very good example of personal responsibility. Good job!
I’ve got a few questions for all of the people (which would be most) in here that was raised in an environment where money was scarce (such as myself) and times were hard?
1. How did you make it out?
2. What do you consider successful?
3. How do you measure your success?
4. Whose “fault” is it when you fail to reach your goal(s)?
Like K mentioned, personal responsibility! Yes, we can go on and on about “the man” this and that, black men don’t appreciate black women and vice versa. However–Any venture in life must start with personal responsibility and accountability! I will never turn my nose up at someone who is less fortunate than I because “there but by the grace of God go I” yet…to sum it up, I think people just….give up and give in. Someone commented earlier that people are afraid to fail and I truly believe that but the greater fear is people are afraid to try. Many times it takes more than once but it’s easy to become complacent.
One observation–
To see beggars with the “I need food, please help, God Bless you signs”—WTF!!! You can stand on a corner for countless hours looking for a handout–why can’t that energy (or lack thereof) be spent trying to find a job? Any job?!!! I find it hard to believe that people from other nations literally lose their lifes trying to get to America to do what–take advantage of the opportunities we have here yet our own can’t seem to find what’s right under our noses and you know why? ‘Cause sweeping floors and cleaning toilets and working at McDonald’s seem to be beneath us! The next time you visit a fast food restaurant look around—see who is taking your order, hosing down their driveway. Yup! Foreigners! This is a sad reality but I employ people of many diversities and the ones I seem to have the most problem with as far as attendance, production, quality and lack of movitation are (sadly enough) my very own!
We’ve accomodated a specific culture of people so much that signs, directions, etc. are posted immediately in their language directly under English. I see it everyday in the manufacturing industry and my twin brother lives it everyday in the NY City School system.
@ i’m tired of dumb black people
I have not dodged any questions of yours. I broke your previous post down Barney Style and explained it to you. The cost of living has been going up every decade. Whats new. Wages have gone up as well. Taxes have gone up. What’s your point? You can name all of the public entities and social programs you want and that still wont change the fact that :
You cannot succeed in life without Personal responsibility. Taking care of those things/situations that you can and are supposed to control is important no matter your race.
you can have all of the social reform and programs in the world but if people are not personally responsible and accountable for their decisions and actions, they will still fail.
1. (Social programs/reform) – (personal
responsibility) = (failure)
2. (Personal responsibility) – (Social programs/reform) = (varied degrees of success)
3. (Social programs/reform) + (personal responsibility) = (higher degree of success)
Being accountable to yourself. Policing your own situation and household. Setting your own goals. being personally responsible will allow you to stand even when society doesnt expect or want you to.
Um so mr Bill sir wut r ur views on marital confuct, fidelity and sexual conduct/misconduct and Uh, stuff like dat :- )
i meant *conduct* sorri lol
Bill Cosby is right. His model applies to the Ghetto Rats and whiners. He should note though that there are some black people that work hard and sometimes the system is *****ed up!
Puerto Rico is a US colony, or whatever fancy name they have for it. It is soon to be a state, therefore the US will accommodate Spanish speaking people as long as its in their best interest.
kdogg, in what world do you live in where wages are going up? You need to stop your bull*****.
I think you are the ship guy in your story since you’re obviously gasping for air.
You cannot answer questions, so you do what you do best, copy & paste.
You keep repeating the same thing over and over again as if we don’t know what personal responsibility is. It is indeed my personal responsibilty to wake up and go to work everyday. This is juvennile stuff even an infant know. But I’m afraid your thinking on the intermediate level is limited.
America is a structured society with a city hall in every town. You have people who make sure the water you drink/bath/shower/cook with is clean or at least drinkable. You have people who pick up your garbage twice a week. Yet you’re still clueless on how social and personal responsibilities are tied together.
Anyway, your lack of intelligent response tells me you’ve run out of things to say. I think you’re afraid of being proven wrong!
Bill Cosby is a 110% correct.
kdogg,
I’d love for you to spend a whole week with no running water, no light, and nodoby to pick up your stinky garbage. Only then will you understand the importance of community.
Alright it’s official. The writers at Bossip are certified idiots. I have often thought that you people were a few sandwiches short of a picnic but to call Bill Cosby an Uncle Tom because he spoke the truth is the height of stupidity. Often though when people make statements like the one you made, they are too lost in their own ignorance to realize the truth staring them in the face. Are you living in an apartment and driving an Escalade? Are you wearing a 5K gold chain and don’t konw how to spell mutual fund? Tagging Bill Cosby an uncle tom does further damage to our community because young people who read your dribble may also confuse it with intelligent writing and take what you say about Cosby to heart. Thus further perpetuating the downward spiral our youth are in. Unwed pregnancies, out of control high school drop out rate, poor grades, drug usage…..do I need to continue? What’s wrong with telling someone to get a job, don’t have a baby until you can afford to take care of it, stay off drugs, clean up your neighborhood. COME ON BOSSIP!
When discussing the rate of African-American children born out of wedlock, you have to look at how these statistics are generated.
From the website:
http://www.welfareacademy.org/conf/papers/rector_p.shtml
Understanding Illegitimacy
It is important not to confuse the issue of illegitimacy merely with the birth rate to non-married women, ie., births per 1000 non-married women . As noted, the percentage of births that are out-of -wedlock is determined by three factors: the marriage rate, the birth rate of married women, and the birth rate of non-married women. A decline in the birth rate to non-married women means little if the marriage rate and the birth rate to married women are also declining, In fact, in those cir*****stances, it is quite possible for illegitimacy to rise even as the birth rate among non-married women falls.
It is also important not to confuse the issue of illegitimacy with teen pregnancy. While teen pregnancy is very important, it is only a small part of the overall problem of illegitimacy. Only about one tenth of all out-of wedlock births occur to girls under age 18. Out-of wedlock childbearing occurs primarily among young adult women, with the largest number of births occurring with women aged 18 to 24.
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Thanks
I just can’t stand when some of us that “know” we have to work twice as hard to get half as far complain about the system before they have even tried.
The world is not fair but we still have to live in it. I will never let my sons believe that they are victims. My Dad wouldn’t let me feel that way.
Bill Cosby is so on the money? Do you know what Uncle Tom is? Obviously not. It is better to be hurt by the truth than comforted by a lie.
Hey, I think some of you can’t read, because bossip did not claim Cosby wasn’t speaking the truth. They did however say Cosby should come up with a creative solution instead of ranting. Maybe you guys are who Cosby is referring to here?
@ i’m tired of dumb black people
i’m tired of dumb black people
kdogg,
I’d love for you to spend a whole week with no running water, no light, and nodoby to pick up your stinky garbage. Only then will you understand the importance of community.
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Why would I spend a whole week like that? I don’t wallow in filth or despair. It’s not in my nature. I’d make something happen. Ever seen or read The Pursuit of Happyness? Its based on a true story?
Your inability to understand that Personal Responsibility has stood the test of time baffles me. People that are the most driven and, get this, “independent” usually go farther than they would have if they stayed “dependent” victims. If you cant understand that basic concept then you are more lost than I imagined initially. And I will copy and paste my comments until I get through to you. Sorta like what you accuse Bill Cosby of doing.
From my earlier post:
If Bill Cosby’s comments made you mad at him he either:
1. stepped on your toes
or
2. you just get mad anytime someone other than YOU speaks.
If Bill cosby’s comments applied to you then you should do your best to prove him wrong.
If his comments didnt apply to you BUT did apply to family or friends, you should do what you can to help THEM prove him wrong.
If his comments didnt apply to you or some of your family and friends, then you should go outside of your inner circle and do what you can to help OTHERS prove him wrong.
If everyone did this and proved him wrong..i do not think he would be upset.
If you notice, there is a community aspect to what I suggested, however, not until after you have taken care of home
***** Bossip and ***** “i’m tired of dumb black people”.
the man right! we as a comunnity are responsile for lots of things lets teach our kid the imPortance of edeucation lets tur off BET and MTV sometimes and spend some quality time with our
kids.
UNCLE WHAT?
BOSSIP, WHEN ARE YOU GOING TO APOLOGIZE FOR THIS ABOMINABLE THREAD?… I AM *****UMING YOU GUYS HAVE A BRAIN BETWEEN YOU?
YOU COME ACROSS AS HIGH AND MIGHTY IN YOUR CRITCISMS OF OTHERS BUT AFTER THIS THREAD YOU GUYS ARE THE REAL JOKE… GET A LIFE LOSERS! AND STOP BEING PART OF THE PROBLEM
Its a good discusson point and whether Bossip are playing devils advocate or just being dumb, many of you rose to the occasion and revealed your hope, spirit and cl*****. It’s a good day!
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I don’t think all the people calling Bill Uncle Tom are doing so because they’re blind. In fact reading some of the thread reveals 4 catagories of writers.
1) Those who always respond negatively to blacks, and who usually find fault with the same aspect of black culture.
2) Conservatives who are tired of the ghetto mentality of some blacks.
3) Those who always defend black culture.
4) Those who come from diverse communities or experience and though agree with Coz says are offended that he is limiting his complaints to blacks.
From my reading this last group seems to make up the majority of people angery at Coz’s comments. I admit I understand where they’re coming from, how can he soley criticize sagging pants and not little girls wearing belly shirts to school? How can he say blacks are financially unresponsible when America is the biggest debtor nation in the world? How can he complain about black boys going to school when 60% of all college students are female? Where are the white guys going? Bill is talking black issues in a mutlimarket world. I think people are calling him a Tom because after they hear him talk they can around and see other people of different colors making the same mistakes he is pinning mostly on blacks. I think these same people would not be so hostile if he would just say be a good parent, teach your child English, watch what they view on tv, internet and pay attention to what they listen to. By inserting black he is insulting alot of people’s intelligence.
Rich Drew,
Obviously you dropped out of school in the 9th grade, because you seem to be preaching that street knowledge missing some info. I posted the Willie Lynch letter for people to understand where this self hate comes from, you cursin’ about the Democratic party or Willie Lynch and in the same breath speaking about the NOI makes no sense. Like Malcolm X said, that was a good organization and YOUKNOWWHATS messed it up. I know who am, do you. I am studying for my Doctorate in a country that looks at my skin color before my credentials. The Victim mentality crap you are referring too is BS. Its reality! I know all about Republican versus Democrat. I never rely on what others say, I find my own answers, because WE ALL FALL SHORT. I come from a family a very Determined Christians and Muslims. There is nothing you can say to me that would make me feel like a VICTIM. Why, because you are my brother(whether you like it or not)! Your anger is a victim trait…The reality is if you do not *****ist your people, you are of no use. As for me, I know all my ameriKKKan History, and all I am saying is read a book. I will not get into Yacub, and his creations. I will not get into Government and our definition within it, I will not discuss the beautiful organizations that encouraged, and support Black Growth, that have been destroyed by the characteristics explained in the Willie Lynch letter…So no do not F anyone on here for expressing their truth, and just because they do not agree with you, offer support, not hate. How can you be about the prosperity of your people, if your are hating on them…Maybe I misread and you are about the betterment of your culture. African-Group/Western-Individual…Actually Most other cultures/Group.
P.S. Kings are not offended by subjects, so if you are indeed a King, listen and offer sound advice..confer with your elders and then address.
P.S.S. We should all raise our children as Kings and Queens, let them know that they are GREAT. Watch the difference..
Bill Cosby is a black man. Why shouldn’t he be concerned with these issues as they affect black people? Yes, society as a whole has problems, but these problems disproportionitely affect Black Americans. Whether its self-inflicted, or a result of racism, or a combination…something has to be done.
• Homicide is the number one cause of death for black men between fifteen and twenty-nine years of age and has been for decades.
• Of the roughly sixteen thousand homicides in this country each year, more than half are committed by black men. A black man is seven times more likely to commit a murder (excluding military actions) than a white man, and six times more likely to be murdered. (Black mothers live with these numbers. We don’t know how they sleep at night.)
• Ninety-four percent of all black people who are murdered are murdered by other black people.
• The life expectancy at birth of black men is sixty-nine years, compared to seventy-five years for white men, eighty for white women, and seventy-six for black women.
• In the past several decades, the suicide rate among young black men has increased more than 100 percent.
• In some cities, black males have high school drop-out rates of more than 50 percent.
• Young black men are twice as likely to be unemployed as white, Hispanic, and Asian men.
• Although black people make up just 12 percent of the general population, they make up nearly 44 percent of the prison population.
• At any given time, as many as one in four of all young black men are in the criminal justice system—in prison or jail, on probation, or on parole.
• By the time they reach their midthirties, six out of ten black high school dropouts have spent time in prison.
• About one-third of the homeless are black men.
This is madness! Back in 1950, there were twice as many white people in prison as black. Today, there are more black people than white in prison.
Ms. Educationforwhatin American,
The Willie Lynch letter is a fake.
Just like Bill Gates charging 5cents per email,
AND
HIV infscted syringes in vending machine coin slots,
AND
Victims waking up in tubs of ice with their kidneys removed.
the message in it is good, and eerily descriptive but it still is fiction.
Seattle Slim! Check For Me!
About the FAKE Willie Lynch Letter:
http://www.blackamericaweb.com/site.aspx/sayitloud/kane901
It kills me that he would be labeled an Uncle Tom for speaking the truth. it is we who are out of touch as a people. Our priorities, in general are screwed. Its time we got our shizz straight. We are being left behind.
Kdogg
Bill Cosby is a black man. Why shouldn’t he be concerned with these issues as they affect black people? Yes, society as a whole has problems, but these problems disproportionitely affect Black Americans. Whether its self-inflicted, or a result of racism, or a combination…something has to be done.
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I agree with you. Some people on here are upset that Cosby didn’t address everybody not just black folks. I can understand that but then people get mad at Oprah b/c she doesn’t help enough black folks. She can’t win for losing. If she was like Cosby trying to help us some of the people in here would be doing the same thing. Do you get it? Cosby’s main concern is helping HIS people. He is black so he is worried about US. Neither whites, hispanics, asians, nor native Americans are the majority in jails. Blacks are. No culture is perfect but ours is in last place in a lot of areas so why would he address the people who are in the lead? They may not be perfect but they are still beating us. Another thing is that we should buy the book and read it in it’s entirety. I also saw Bill on Larry King last nite and I feel about him the same way I do about every one else. I don’t agree with EVERYTHING he said but I DO AGREE WITH THE MAJORITY of it.
VOR
Are you serious!!Dude or what ever you are, you need to go the Library, your public library in the archives. Read the orignial letter. Just as the Bible/Quran and other Great books have been altered by Man, this too has been altered…but it is one of the best versions. Do not send me some persons opinion on Willie Lynch(or is that his true name/Lord Calvert)…Read, because you sound like Bell, when Kunta Kente was telling her about being Afrikan…I don’t want to hear about no Afrikan. All I suggest is that you read, spend a little time in the African American history center, go to Liberia and read the slave notes, put in your ticket to look at the former slave manuscripts at the Charles Blockson center..I am not asking you to take my word for it(READING RAINOW) find out yourself! But posting random websites, that are created by biased”willie lyncherific” mind-states will not work with me…If you do none of these thing’s expand you mind then he..that’ on you.
i’m tired of dumb black people
***** Bill Cosby, I agree. What really threw me off about him is when he criticized “black” names. And people still can’t see through his *****.
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I don’t know where you live but I know just like some other people on here know that if you give your child a name that no one can *****ounce he/she will have a very hard time finding a job. I have worked with white people all my life and since they are the majority of the owners of the businesses they are the ones doing the hiring. If a black girl walks in dressed nice, looks nice, speaks well, but her name is broomshika she doesn’t get the job unless it’s at a convenience store or something like that. Since racism and discrimination are sooooo real we can’t afford to lose any ground and giving our children these names that have no vowels or have 22 letters in it is not helping the situation. Is it wrong, HELL YES but is it reality, HELL YES. That’s why Bill is critizing these ‘black’ names and I agree with him whole heartedly.
He’s not an uncle tom. He speaks the truth.. Its time for some upward mobility.
@god
THATS WHAT I’M TALKING ABOUT.YOU WOMEN LOVE THE DRUG DEALERS ANS THE MEN WHO ARE IN AND OUT OF JAIL.OF COURSE YOU HAVE TO BLAME THE FATHER FOR HAVING A CHILD WITH SOMEONE HE DOESN’T EVEN LIKE.WHAT I’AM SAYING IS THAT THEY NEVER BLAME THE WOMEN.ITS ALMOST LIKE ITS A GOOD THING NOWADAYS TO BE A SINGLE PARENT.
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I don’t disagree with you there. Women need to take more responsibilty for their choices. They act like they’ve been victimized by men and then complain that good men don’t want them. No good man is going to want a woman who lets herself get knocked up by one (or usually more) guys that didn’t even care about her enough to practice safe sex or marry.
However, nothing a woman does or doesn’t do excuses a man turning his back on a kid and for boys, that is generally the #1 influencer on their later choices. So, regarding black boys in jail, it’s more likely their father is to blame.
The problem with the uneven-handed blame is that it might not be fair, but the fathers leave and the mothers stay. No matter who is the bad person, the one that stays and raises the kid is always going to be the better one in everyone’s eyes. The one who leaves will always take more blame.
people really need to take a look at who is on welfare..
black people aren’t the highest percetage…we have a higher percetage base on the total amount of black people in amercia.
teenager make up less than 8% of people on welfare.
According to the statistics, whites form the largest racial group on welfare; half of all welfare recipients leave in the first two years; and teenagers form less than 8 percent of all welfare mothers.
what does uncle tom mean? can someone fill me in? thanks
Rich Drew you are the smartest Mother *****er on this post. These House as slave *****s like being *****s. So let they *****es stay *****s . You need to focus on your ***** and your family and your immediate community. ***** these house *****s. ***** Bill Cosby , ***** Oprah, ***** Barrack where the ***** you come from, trynna be a cool celebrity Obama. And ***** any person who can’t handle the *****ing truth. Why is it that we need Black leaders anyway. ? Ant no other group crying for no mother *****ing leaders. Lead your self. Why is it that the only people we look to are these cooning ***** entertainers. Dont none of yall mo *****ers ever mention non entertainers. Its plenty of black billionaires and multimillionaires in america. Some of them are worth more then Oprah and Bill combined. But yall house as *****s dont believe nothing until a white media outlet shows ya’ll something. Pick up a *****ing book, read a *****ing local newspaper. and you ask why i speak with such a disrespectful tongue with all the curse words? Because most of yall dont deserve no *****ing respect. Slave as mother *****ers. Repeating the same *****over and over again. Repeating the same 3 ***** *****ing Black figures who an’t nothing but self serving negros them selves . Get a *****ing clue .
This is for all you Bill Cosby loving , Oprah Loving , Al Sharpton loving , MArtin luther king loving , And any other Negros that talk us to *****ing death.
“There is another cl***** of colored people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs, and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs — partly because they want sympathy and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs….There is a certain cl***** of race-problem solvers who do not want the patient to get well, because as long as the disease holds out they have not only an easy means of making a living, but also an easy medium through which to make themselves prominent before the public.”
He is talking about all these entertainers from JayZ – cosby and Slave as Oprah and Alsharpton in between, He ant talk about the real black folk who recking ***** and thays free , I say thays free. Unlike the ***** *****ers I just mentioned . And ***** the Boule as NAACP , ***** the backwards as HBCU. ***** all that . and Wake the ***** up stupids . The system dont work, it an’t neever work. But the system is cool for yall *****s when its giving some ***** away for free right? Some college money, some cheesee, some wic. Then yall simple as *****es hush the ***** up. Go get your own *****ing cheese.
***** wholes aka modern day negros ka Rich Drew/ aka Seattle whatever…ar all of u the same?!
Yall stupid *****ess dont realize all Bill Cosby is here for is to confuse yall stupid *****es and make ya’ll mad so he can sell some books, its all to show your ignorance . to split US . That is what malcom and Martin was here for too extremes to Split Us. YT knows how easy it is to split US. so thats why i have no respect at times . And have no problem calling yall the stupid ***** ***** *****ing *****s yall are. Because at times i do hate *****s. Because *****S are slaves (educated or not , rich or not still slaves) that hate REAL BlackPeople . Because we free! So go recite another slave ***** Mya Angeluuu Poem , Go Buy Coon as *****got as Boule as Bill Cosby, and the By the Way the Cosby show was created by a JEW. a Historian who taught Bill some *****. Bill was on the set molesting the little girl extras and the cast members. The bigger he got the more hater as ***** he became. The same Jew as family that started Cosby show started the Oxygen Network and let Slave as Oprah put her name on it. But because history proves that *****s who talk alot do not do research. they new they could Have the O and Oxygen Stand for Oprah . When if you look at any of the annual reports She Dont OWN ***** . She just collecting another Slave as check. I hate *****s. But I Love Black People. Where the real Black People at? Thank go I have been blessed with the presence of the real black people . Because if I depended on what YT gave me I would be dead and on crack somewhere. Get mad *****s Go right ahead and GET Mad .
NO I AM NOT RICH DREW you stupid as *****. Why everything cant be what it is. I dont need to hide behind another name . I just agreed with Rich Drew.
Honestly Drew is nice cause he did not call a ***** a *****. But I refuse to to allow People to *****ume that Black People and ***** refer to the same people. So if you got a problem *****, it must be cause you dont like your name ***** aka Education for what in America. Step to the left . *****s to the left Black People to the Right. You step to the left.
I have been blessed with the presence of the real black people . Because if I depended on what YT gave me I would be dead and on crack somewhere. Get mad *****s(R U BALCK?) Go right ahead and GET Mad .
If you speak to those REAL BLACKS like your are speaking now, I doubt they listen to your hateful speech. Do you need a hug, did your mom forget burp you..all that HATE in the morning is not Healthy! I hope people do not get mad at you, rather jut shake their heads and move on.
But u love Black People..What in the…
I love black people but i hate *****S you are a ***** so please move to the left *****. If you read my post you would see that i said I speak this way because I am speaking to ***** *****ing *****S and this is the only speech yall *****s understand. So again ***** move to the left make room for the REAL BLACK PEOPLE. Yes I am BLACK and I hate *****S .
NO I AM NOT RICH DREW you stupid as *****
U R not Black..No self respecting Black man would refer to his own people as U have, and yes am paying attention to your use of ger rather than ga/ either way it is what it is, you enjoy your hatred
Education of america its *****s like you who think when people refer to *****s they refer to black people . You got it twisted . A ***** is a *****.
A Black person is a black person , they are not one in the same . Thats what YT told you that an’t what the truth is.
You get it you delusional *****?. Why you dont like yo name ***** ? Does it make u mad? GOOD then maybe you will wake the ***** up. And stop spittin History that YT gave you, that YT media gave you. That YT schools gave you. Again I love Black People but I hate *****s. Slave as *****s
Because you are a ***** you an’t my people . You an’t my ***** , You are a ***** . And no self respecting BLACK MAN would use any term to refer to “his people” besides BLACK MAN. Not even ***** *****. YOu *****S an’t nothing but YT with a *****ing TAN.
Again You *****s ant Nothing but YT with a *****ing TAN.
All the real Black People STAND UP.
Anyway, to those of you who decided to share your opinion n this matter, I hope you forward that info to others in your circle. We need support in our communities, get back the Art & humanities, because our children are suffering..
The same YT yall hate is the same YT that produced all these *****s yall love . Oprah, Cosby, Al sharpton. Barrak osama bin ladin Obama, MArtin luther king. They all so called fighting for “Blacks” but getting a check from YT. And ifthe beautiful Black Man that is Booker T Noticed it years ago , why cant yall Modern day House *****s guised as “REAL BLACK PEOPLE” get it now ?
“There is another cl***** of colored people who make a business of keeping the troubles, the wrongs, and the hardships of the Negro race before the public. Having learned that they are able to make a living out of their troubles, they have grown into the settled habit of advertising their wrongs — partly because they want sympathy and partly because it pays. Some of these people do not want the Negro to lose his grievances, because they do not want to lose their jobs….There is a certain cl***** of race-problem solvers who do not want the patient to get well, because as long as the disease holds out they have not only an easy means of making a living, but also an easy medium through which to make themselves prominent before the public.”
The other group is his nice way of saying *****S aka YT with a tan.
Arts and Humanties , try Finance and Global Business , Try Math & Science .
How many more Poem reading , Dancing as *****s we need ? Damn.
Teach them Math and Science and they can afford to go to museums and *****. And collect art and *****. Again YT told u that Art & Humanaties feed and stimulate the mind . Hell No , Counting stacking, leveraging that money , finding that cure for that diseasethat ***** Stimulates the *****ing mind. I will speak to you in proper english as soon as you show me that you are not a *****. Because thus far you are nothing more then a ***** aka YT with a tan. I’ll greet a Black man when I see a Black man. Until then ***** move your miseducated ***** to the left.
And, I would also encourage you to support more money for education, we have many people turning away from public school, with the creation of so many charter schools. All schools are of importance, and should all receive support from the parents who children attend.
While we cannot change some people’s home training, if value was placed in offering as much as we can when they are in our presence, it wold be a start..
As a former social worker/teacher in the private school system, I view the release of the Arts & Humanities programs as a major cause in why students began to become truant..They complained often about not having the after school chess clubs, or even gym. I cannot imagine school without choices, electives…it is ridiculous..As a woman and future parent, I cannot fathom any children of mine not having the opportunity to parti*****te in the band, art, club, science club..and what makes matters worse was in my city they took them out without even informing the parents..
EducationForWhatinAmerica
You are the one that needs to go to A library. The Willie Lynch letter is a hoax. It is a fake. It appeared out of the blue online. There is no real do*****ent. With the Bible there were original manuscripts. The willie lynch letter is a good illustration on the affairs of blacks but it is still fiction. Prove its authenticity. You cant. You want it to be true. No matter how hard you wish for it to be true it is a FAKE. It is used now as a tool to keep blacks from disagreeing with each other. It helps keep us controlled. Don’t disagree with a black person or they will pull the Willie Lynch letter Card on you.
THE WILLIE LYNCH LETTER IS FAKE.
Research it.
http://www.blackamericaweb.com/site.aspx/sayitloud/kane901
The Willie Lynch Letter
The Willie Lynch letter supposedly was a letter describing to slave masters the “formula” for controlling African slaves in
the new world. What is interesting is that although this letter was supposedly taken from a speech given in 1712, those of
us who have been studying Black history for 25 years or more have never heard of this letter until a few years ago!
Dr. Jelani Cobb, a Black professor of History at Spellman University, has written an excellent article debunking the Willie
Lynch Letter as a fraud. He points out that the prose and language is more 20th century than 18th century.
http://www.jelanicobb.com/portfolio/willie_lynch_is_dead.html
I have problems with the Willie Lynch letter and the supposed “Willie Lynch Syndrome” because it once
again attempts
to make it look as though Blacks are powerless and that Whites are all powerful. Just think of it, Whites are so smart that
they can give one
speech that continues to control us over 200 years later! I would suggest that our time would be better
spent studying hard and getting “A’s” in History, English and Math so that we can better learn how to separate fiction
from reality.
There are no cards to pull..My race is on my sin, maybe “a skin card”. How are you a voice of reason talking about a “race” card. The Willie Lynch letter popped up on the Internet because someone wanted to shame, I have been to the library…many I also am a member Black America Web…listen to tom Joyner and others all the time, so I am familiar with the web research..what I am saying is go to the archives and read..I recommend the Charles Blockson center, where you will read articles written by Slave Masters, very similar to the Wilie lynch letter, and you will read the manuscript of what I posted above… Some will be so similar that it seems that whomever choose to share it with the public plagiarized..but I digress..as an EDUCTED BLACK WOMAN, I know that some people cannot handle the truth, and make excuses for what the do not understand. When I speak, it is directly to what concerns me, what I believe and what you believe will be different, and I can respect that, but I take everything with a grain of salt. Your opinions about the letter, are just that opinions. Studying hard will not mean a damn thing if they have no love, and only self hate. You will have to forgive my tendency to not be a follower. I find the answers for myself…Read between the lines, on everything…what else is there!
I have always been an A student/ but extra curricular activities helped in my overall growth. volunteering in my community, science clubs, the band…shoot …my Economics paper in high school made my teacher rich.(If you do invest, choose McDowelDouglas)..so education needs support in every area. but no cards, if you have one..I would like to see it…
I didnt say race card. I said Willie Lynch letter card. Not the same thing. The Willie Lnch letter is still a fake and is often used to keep blacks from questioning or disagreeing with other Blacks. Thats the truth.
Can something be learned from the Willie Lynch letter? Probably.
Is its context often misused to deal with those who question the status quo in the black community? Definitely!
Too many will accept this fictitious letter as fact but dismiss Cosby’s facts as if they were fiction. Sad.
This is how screwed up that we have become. Any little criticism and we call it being an uncle tom. That man aint hardly no uncle tom. He went through racisism that we can’t even imagine today. And, I can understand why this older generation of black people are mad right now.
They literally got shot at and chased by dogs so people can get an education and have a better life. And it does seem sometime that a lot of people are throwing opportunity away.
If you are broke as hell struggle check to check why is it usually people like that that has the latest name brand everything on from head to foot.
What Mr. Cosby is talking about is to take responsibility for yourself and your life. And there is nothing uncle tom about that. If you are struggling and barely making it and you have a child then turn around and bring another one here. If you see that this guy has kids all around the neighborhood and you never see him with any of kids then odds you should probably walk away from him.
Those are things he is talking about. Parent your children. Go up to school have a relationship with your child’s teacher. Those are just little things that you can do to take responsibility for your life.
N_ggas get offended relf righteous blacks folks get uplifted.
Lil’ Kids running around with grills in their mouths and cell phones but can’t make grades and have no college fund.
Black kid will have ten pair of tennis shoes while white kids might have two pair of tennis shoes and a porfolio.
Parents will have cable and their hair done but no health or life insurance. Sick folks!!
I don’t know why he said it to Oprah though. She is truly detached from black american reality. I know she said she did not start her school here b/c black kids here would not appreciate it as much but that sounds pretty white of her. There are plenty of black children who want the education or are pulling decent grades in school but cannot get the right chance b/c they have no other option but to attend an public school which is ran by the white man.
If Oprah had created a nation wide African American charter school for black she couldv’e helped many of those students who want to excel dream come true. Maybe then these young black kids can learn the true black american history and stop learning what the white man wants you to know. The new generation have no respect for themselves nor elders.
Half the black students aren’t even learning the meaning of our freedom and the true effects of slavery and how their actions are perpetuating the white mans plan.
Oprah made it big b/c she is a poster. I can respect that she is a black woman on tv (woop woop) but is she truly a black icon for what she does for her black national community. More white poeple at her show than black people and more white guest than blacks. The average black person would not be in tune with her show or topics. Plus hard working black folks aren’t off at 4. Ya know the show was not made for us.
Let’s start blogging about what we are going to do as individuals to make changes in our community. Too much energy is being expended on what Bill Cosby said but lets talk about the mentoring program you are doing. Start p*****ing out flyers on parenting skills. Let’s boycott this degrading music that comes out of Black people’s mouths. We have to put action behind our words. We don’t have to agree on the same cause but just do something! Educate folks about HIV/AIDS. We can pool our own money and start charter schools and academies that teach our children black history which started before slavery. Change requires sacrifice and we have to cure ourselves of the mental enslavement that keeps us believing we have nothting to offer each other or our selves. The pain and devestation we are seeing today in the black community is a direct result of the negative beliefs we have enternalized and we have to help each other cleasnse our souls to save future generations.
Ahhh Dear Bossip:
I must say that I appreciate everyone’s enthusiasm concerning the matter, however this debate has been going on for decades (perhaps centuries) and no one here has said anything that hasn’t already been said. We need to think critically about these things and take it a step further…does it really matter?? Seriously, no matter who is to blame for the state of the Black community, no one would argue that we have the sole interest in fixing it. Racism is a part of the Black Man’s evolutionary process; the fire refines us and we grow. People can sit up here and post all day and all night long, but at least Barack, Malcolm, and Oprah had/have the courage of their convictions. If you don’t agree with Bill, that’s fine. Prove him wrong or right, depending. In other words, put down the doritos, stop stalking Beyonce and Kanye online, and go out and DO what you believe. The real enemy is laziness.
Stand Up OR SHUTUP!
Ahhh Dear Bossip:
I must say that I appreciate everyone’s enthusiasm concerning the matter, however this debate has been going on for decades (perhaps centuries) and no one here has said anything that hasn’t already been said. We need to think critically about these things and take it a step further…does it really matter?? Seriously, no matter who is to blame for the state of the Black community, no one would argue that we have the sole interest in fixing it. Racism is a part of the Black Man’s evolutionary process; the fire refines us and we grow. People can sit up here and post all day and all night long, but at least Barack, Malcolm, and Oprah had/have the courage of their convictions. If you don’t agree with Bill, that’s fine. Prove him wrong or right, depending. In other words, put down the doritos, stop stalking Beyonce and Kanye online, and go out and DO what you believe. The real enemy is laziness.
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Beautiful.
What is the difference, if it serves as what you claim…Lord Calvert’s letters…learn..and did you offer some Self promotion VOR..continue to prosper, and as I stated read between the lines….
I watched Bill on Oprah and saw snippets of the speech he gave in 2004. I stand behind his comments and observations of our community. It really is a shame the way alot of us have completely ignored the struggle that those before us went through so we could have a better life. The state of our youth is really very dire. The statistics are unsettling. We all need to stand up and take responsibility for our future. Education and knowlege are paramount for us to start turning around the affects that the past has on our present and future cir*****stance.
Why are people expecting Bill Cosby and Oprah to take care of there kids? You laid down and had them not Bill or Oprah so YOU need to take care of them.
BTW Bill and Oprah give millions of dollars towards education.
Kdogg
I know the stats. Everyone does. Some are actually debatable because as you say these numbers come from different sources and are based on different methods of collecting raw data.
The overall fact is how much of the total black population do these numbers reflect? And compare these numbers to those of black progress which many people will find just as impressive. The truth is blacks are dividing; those that can are leaving those that can’t. Taking with them their money and resources. This was one of the fears of desegragation. Many black scholars at the time feared that once blacks could move to whereever they wanted to go, there would be an exodus from black neighborhoods of its role models and better educated or business savvy residents. Thereby leaving the desperate.
If this is true then there is going to be a part of black society beyond help. And focus should be given to willing to improve. Here is where many people find disagreement with Mr. Cosby.
The opposors argue that those blacks who want to be successful are not being served by rehashing negative stats since these figures are not revelent to them. For these blacks it is more important to stress achievement and how success can be gained. This approach has been shown to be far more beneficial than Mr. Cosby’s.
Fact is, his ***** can buy and sell us a thousand times over.
I don’t see a problem with Bill’s comments. If they’re hurting you maybe you’re the problem. Bill can’t go into anyones homes and raise their kids so all he can do is point out the symptoms. He’s also talking about what parents need to change. If he said “parents are more interested with buying $500 shoes instead of investing in education” the solution would be stop buying expensive shoes and focus on your childs schooling.
That man had jacksh#t to say during the 80s when crack was an epidemic. I’m not saying that he shouldn’t criticize the slackers in our community but this is obviously how he’s always felt about them & he shoulda said something then.
I share some of his views but where was he in the 80s? He was too busy tryna buy NBC.
It is time Black people face the truth and get in the game of life. If we don’t step up our game as a race we will continue to be left behind. Bill is the only one trying to get the African American community to wake up and take charge of our destiny. I don’t think that makes him an Uncle Tom. I feel that term is inappropriate.
BILL IS CORRECT IN ALL HE SAY. BLACK KIDS CAN’T GET JOBS JUST LISTEN TO THE WAY THEY TALK.RIGHT HURR,SHAWTEE WHAT EMPLOYER WOULD HIRE SOMEONE THAT CAN’T SPEAK PROPER ENGLISH.AND ALL THIS BLING BLING ***** A MOUTH WITH GOLD AND HIM AND HIS FAMILY IS LIVING IN POVERTY THAT ***** DON’T ADD UP.ROLLING DUBS AND RESIDING IN THE PROJECTS,BLACKS GET YOUR PRIORITIES STRAIGHT.WE ALL CAN’T RAP!
If you go to any public school and see how our children are acting you would agree with Mr.Dr.Cosby. All the kids know how to do is cuss and talk about people like most of you. Parents need to do their job and teach their kids about respect and how to get and stay educated!
We all know the modern minstrels are hip hop artists. They’re the Uncle Toms and Little Sambos. I haven’t bought an album since the late ’90s. I rather download this crap for free. I remember when I used to learn from hip hop as a kid. Back then, rappers were really educated. Now you have idiots, with no kind of formal education rapping about nonsense. Now wonder they only talk about cars, drugs, murder and sex. That’s all they know! Knowledge is food for your soul. Love yourselves. We don’t trust one another. We don’t support one another. This has to stop. Truly! I’m so tired of the way we praise and look up to drug dealers, thugs and ignorant rappers. We’re so concerned with being cool that we don’t have *****! All our women care about now is having big *****es. You see adolescent girls walking with their chest and butts sticking out, wearing tight jeans, like that’s all they have to offer. All I can be is an example and let these kids know, life is more fun with discipline. Most importantly these kids have to realize they define themselves, not popular culture. You see how white kids can be surfer dudes, gothic, punks, corporate, whatever! But we put so much unnecessary pressure on ourselves to be hip hoppish. There’s more to black people. You are individuals! I feel like I’m being sensitive when I ask my friends not to call me ***** but sincerely, the word hurts. Too many of us have been killed or injured while that word was being yelled by someone that looks like us. I lost a good friend of mine a couple years back that could have easily moved out the hood when he came up but he wanted to help the community. It wasn’t a white man that killed him, that’s all I’ll say.
Blaming the education system is foolish. I’ve seen kids that were raised properly go through the public school system and go on to college, so shut the f up with this institutionalized racism nonsense.
Sometimes, especially in these times we tend to destroy the messenger. Years later as often the case we come to realize after the messenger is dead and gone, they were absolutely correct. I rememeber in the sixties, there were those in the Black commnuity, in the northern city of Chicago where i grew up, that stood agaist Dr.Martin Luther King Jr. Dr. Dr. King was there to protest the slums of Chicago. He was called names much more nastier than Uncle Tom, by many of the Black Political establistment. It was they who caused Dr. King to doubt his commitment to the struggle in the north. Bill Cosby may be alot of things, but uncaring about his people is not one of them. Truth be told, we see everyday the wrong message being fed to our young. Even on your site, example Nas new CD name. Should your site be blamed for what could be promoting his twisted logic? I Don’t think so. So don’t confuse the message and the messenger. Judge on the honest merits.
Everyone has their faults; Bill Cosby included. The message is plain and simple; accountability for our actions and not blaming the white man for all that holds us back and waiting them to pick us up for the journey to the promised land of 40 acres and a mule. We as a community have more freedoms than our forefathers and we are less prodcutive in many areas such as: stable families, men graduating from college, men graduating from high school, and work ethic to get a head.
Do I blame rap music? No, it is only part of the problem and that is what Bill Cosby pulled the curtain on and exposed it for all to see. Fathers not being there for their children (Bill falls into that with a child outside of his marriage), priorities are wrong: getting the new sneakers and latest gear sometimes come before buying a computer or books for our children to read besides the Source and King. We are quick to applaud the atheletes and enteratiners amongst our youth as if all we are capable of being entertainment for the white man. Yet, we beat down those that are academically strong with accusations of their wanting to be white, talking white, forgetting where they came from, not keeping it real, etc…We have to be “Hood” to be considered black; where is the first place people move from when they get enough money? The “Hood” is in the rearview mirror and the mansion is in our sights with the pictures of Robert DeNiro, Al Pacino, Al Capone or some other white actors/gangsters hanging all around the house.
The whole point of this is Bill Cosby is not an Uncle Tom because he has different viewpoint than others. But by accepting responsibility for our our actions, stop blaming slavery, selling drugs to our people to make a fast dollar, shooting each other over drugs/reppin the Hood (property that you don’t own and will never own; this makes sense). I know the story about drugs and gun being white Americas way of controlling and killing us off. The white/Latino men bring the drugs into our communities, so therefore we have no choice but to buy that *****e from them, cook it into crack, get some teens to distribute it, poison our black brother and sisters, count our profits, and then start that cycle again. Boy, that white man is crafty in the way that he forced that *****e upon us and made us sell it as crack. Kind of the same way that he bought *****ault rifles, semi-automatic pistols into our neighborhoods and made us buy them, then purchase bullets, then load the weapons and finally shoot another black man, woman or some innocent child. That white man is slick!!! But Bill Cosby is a problematic Uncle Tom for telling us about ourselves.
I was watching a programme on the book Roots (Kunta Kinte!!) and how much impact it had on African Americans trying to establish their roots. At the end some dude came on trying to say that Alex Haley was a fraud and womaniser and wasn’t the person we knew as the brilliant author. Should those revelations take anything away from the power of the message in that book? I sure as hell don’t think so. Racism is rampant everywhere but if we as a people use that as an excuse not to try and better ourselves, then we are f’d up. A better life doesn’t always mean millions of dollars; the very minimal is self sufficiency. I see kids in Africa living on a prayer begging for a chance to even go to school and some of these kids have that chance and don’t take it. Cosby is right. The education system could be improved etc but if kids don’t want an education, nothing’s gonna change
Oprah made it big b/c she is a poster. I can respect that she is a black woman on tv (woop woop) but is she truly a black icon for what she does for her black national community. More white poeple at her show than black people and more white guest than blacks. The average black person would not be in tune with her show or topics. Plus hard working black folks aren’t off at 4. Ya know the show was not made for us.
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Man!!!!! I don’t believe this!!
If there were no white people at her show, that would go back to the racist debate…
What did Martin Luther King say? “I have a dream that one day on the red hills of Georgia the sons of former slaves and the sons of former slave owners will be able to sit down together at a table of brotherhood.”
…White and black people together….
Oprah made it big because she was determined to make it and never gave up…
Cosby is no uncle Tom, and anyone who tries to label him as such clearly has no idea what the term means. First, the majority of black Americans are phukin’ up… I’m black, and when I first started to attend college people in my neighborhoood started calling me white. What the hell? those negroes would’ve respected me more if I was doing drive-bys on their children. Why do so many black ppl accept the *****ty things in life and call it “Gold”. I’m tired of those no-goal having ni99as, who are caught in the illusion of the good-life as a rapper or baller, Cosby tells the truth even though he talks as if he doesn’t like blks. I’m sorry if I also come off a bit harsh, & I really apologize if my words offend, but damn… I’m tired of seeing a ppl committed to the destruction of our community.
Perhaps cosby is attempting to atone for his past misdeeds. Its all good. Unlike many of these so called enligthed gangsta rappers, telling people not to “snitch,” on blacks killing other blacks, telling people not to “snitch” on blacks selling drugs to their own people. They are the real uncle toms. I mean give me a break, people are killing other people ,other black people and there is a “movement,” to tell people not to snitch. Let me tell you this, if I know of any drug dealers im telling.
NEW ERA, I CAN ONLY SAY THAT THERE ARE SOME OF US THAT DON’T DESERVE TO BE WALKING THE EARTH. I BELIEVE GOD WILL TAKE CARE OF ALL OF THESE PROBLEMS.
to dennis from dover, your absolutely right. judgement day is coming and God is ticked…