Obama Wants Black Community to Co-Sign Gay Rights
Posted by Bossip Staff
Barack Obama is running his ‘politically correct’ game after being attacked for touring with former but now anti-gay gospel singer Donnie McClurkin:
“I have clearly stated my belief that gays and lesbians are our brothers and sisters and should be provided the respect, dignity, and rights of all other citizens. I have consistently spoken directly to African-American religious leaders about the need to overcome the homophobia that persists in some parts of our community so that we can confront issues like HIV/AIDS and broaden the reach of equal rights in this country.
I strongly believe that African Americans and the LGBT community must stand together in the fight for equal rights. And so I strongly disagree with Reverend McClurkin’s views and will continue to fight for these rights as President of the United States to ensure that America is a country that spreads tolerance instead of division.”
Barack probably shares basic Black christian beliefs on the gays, he just wants some votes like a typical politician.
Oh well, we are down with Barack for 08′.
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Go Clinton!
LOL @ Mary
He gets my vote!
Am I totally out of the loop or was Bossip being sarcastic when they said Donnie McClurkin was formerly gay?
why is he playing a political game. he cant genuinelt be supportive of rights for all people? beleive it or not people (especially you SISTAS out there) there are many black gay and LESBIAN people out there, dont turn your backs on them!
Gay ish stuff is in our community. I understand why he says stop pretending it doesn’t exist and accept it so niccas won’t have to be on the downlow. Maybe he is doing this for votes don’t know. McGreevy the former New Jersey senator was an undercover ***** sucker who openly opposed gay rights. All I know is come this/next November I’m voting for Barak!
Z Phi that’s a true story. He said he used to be Gay but God delivered him from homosexuality. He’s now married to a woman and runs a church in Roosevelt, Long Island, NY.
being gay = being black?
Why are we *****uming that it’s strictly political? He may actually be enlightened enough to know that discrimination is wrong, whether it’s against blacks, women, the disabled, or even gays. Go, Barack!
@ dontaskme4shyt,
I know God can do any and everything but I am so skeptical of people who do that. 9 times out of 10, they are still gay and have those feelings, or creep on their spouses with the same sex.
HOMOSEXUALS ARE RUNNIN THIS EARTH…
EVERY TIME I TURN AROUND SOME ONE WANTS TO “COME OUT”
THERE ARE VERY FEW GOOD STRAIGHT MEN LEFT ON THIS EARTH!
McClurkin is a closet queen, just like TD Fakes.
And Obama’s church is actually in favor of gay marriage. I think he’s being honest.
Jay—Why are we *****uming that it’s strictly political? He may actually be enlightened enough to know that discrimination is wrong, whether it’s against blacks, women, the disabled, or even gays. Go, Barack!
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Dont stop there then. 45 year-old men that like 13 yearold girls have rights too. Polygamists, and those with animal fetishes should be allowed to do what they want as well. Those people could argue that they are born that way too. Just because being gay may “feel” right, doesnt “make” it right.
I belong to Barack’s church in Chicago and we have a lesbian and gay ministry. Our church has always understood that God loves everyone.
I totally agree with Jay. Why does this have to be political propaganda? I’m not running for presdient of anything, but I am wise enough to know that it is not my right nor my responsibility to judge anyone. Though my sins may not be related to homosexulaity, I sin. And so do all of you critics. Especially those of you devote christians wh seem to overlook the fact that we are not suppose to judge. If you believe sexuality is a reason to denie someone rights, then you completely misunderstood the civil rights movement and the works of people like Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. We are equally American regardless of race, gender, or sexuality. Therefore, entitlted to the same freedoms.
If discrimination protection applied to lifestyle choices, then prisons would be empty.
I don’t believe in people that are gay ministering in church. How can you say you are save and telling folks how to live when you are living wrong for being gay. Because God DID NOT make Adam and Adam or Eve and Eve but Adam and Eve and it’s in the Bible that it wrong to lay with the same sex. It’s a trip how the Devil got gays thinking they are ok to be gay. The Devil is a lie! God does love everyone but he also wants us to ‘live righteous and HOLY. I dont’ think he intended for a man to put his pecker in another man’s butthole.
I belong to Barack’s church in Chicago and we have a lesbian and gay ministry. Our church has always understood that God loves everyone.
Including murderers, rapists, pedophiles, cult leader, prostitues, and liars. Why doesnt your church have a specific ministry for them? Why arent they accepted?
Seriously, how nice of Bossip to anoint itself arbiter of “black christian values.”
Bossip can’t help but hide that it’s got serious issues with homosexuality and interracial relationships.
Throw a white face onto these comments and you’d have a Klan party.
REPEAT AFTER ME BLACK PEOPLE: Homosexuality is part of BIOLOGY. That means its SCIENCE. You will find homosexual creatures on this planet of all species. PEOPLE ARE BORN GAY, just like those animal species. YOU CAN’T BE A FORMER GAY anymore than you can be a FORMER BLACK PERSON.
Donny M is a closet queen in denial and in pain. WE GAIN NOTHING BY ACTING LIKE FUNDAMENTALIST FOOLS, except a higher AIDS and suicide rate for our DL’d men.
Ask yourself this question, would you want your sister or daughter to marry a “reformed” gay? Would you want your brother to cotemplate suicide because the black “community” doesn’t accept his natural feelings (again, this happens throughout nature, thus it is natural, regardless what your crackpot preacher tells you).
He’s outta his mind on this one.
The word does not say “not to judge.” It does say that a tree is known by the fruit is bears. That means that if you see a tree bearing apples then it most likely is an apple tree. Youre not judging it by calling it an apple tree no matter how much it insists that it is an orange tree. THat same *****ogy applies to all of us.
Including murderers, rapists, pedophiles, cult leader, prostitues, and liars. Why doesnt your church have a specific ministry for them? Why arent they accepted?
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Your logic is that of an idiot. Even *****uming that gays deserve to be in that unsavory group you just listed, if you cannot discern the fact that gays are only gay with each other. IT’S TWO CONSENTING ADULTS AND HAS NO *****ING EFFECT ON YOU.
Notice that the other people you just listed take part in illegal activities which are not undertaken by two CONSENTING ADULTS.
I know that some of you aren’t that intelligent, BUT COME ON. Lumping gays into those categories just show’s a disappointing failure of logic and itelligence.
LISA,
You REALLY think the world was started by ADAM AND EVE?!? REALLY! So the world is 7-8,000 years old too? Adam and Eve!??! REALLY?
THAT is your reason to deny people human rights, because you believe in a fairtale written by white men in the catholic church?
Good Logic
@ Common Sense
Repeat after me! PROVE IT. Gay is not science. Its not Biology. Get educated before you attempt to educate. There are no physical differences between gay and straight people of the same gender. The only difference is in their minds. Gay people make a choice to deviate from the natural to the unnatural.
There is no Gay gene. There arent any gay chromosomes.
I would think after suffering discriminations forever, (and still to this day) African Americans would be the last group to try and discriminate against anyone, gays or anybody. Stop it. Enough. Smiling Bob save us from your *****ogies please because you’re really sounding like a piece of fruit.
AGAIN, this is PROVEN science that only bigots and closet queens like yourself deny.
Also, I see you ignored the fact that your line of reasoning above is that of a 12 yr old at best.
Even if gays choose to be that way, it’s the private behavior of two consenting adults. SO WHAT BUSINESS IS IT OF YOURS?!? Why you so interested in what two men want to do? Sounds rather insecure.
@ common sense
What constitutes an adult? If a 45year-old and a 10 yearold want to get together , whats stopping them? THE LAW!!! So if thats the case, then they are being discriminated against.
And yes, being gay is unsavory as well. Its a lifestyle choice. Lifestyle choices are not always protected under the law. If they were, there would be no need for prisons.
Again Common sense. PROVE IT.
Gayness is a mental condition, not a phsical or biological one. BTW there is a cure—its called Deliverance!
@MOE
most African Americans are insulted ever time gay people try to compare their lifestyle choice with African American “LIFE.” You can be delivered from being gay, but being Black is not a sin.
“What constitutes an adult?” REALLY? You aren’t able to draw a line? Our legal system does. Wow, you are either really young, or really stupid.
I take that you’re trying to say that since there must be some vague area as to what constitutes the status of an adult, that somehow two 20-something men engageing in consensual activity somehow is the same as a “10 yr. old and a 40 yr. old.”
Wow, how *****ing retarded.
Also, you do know that your so-called “lifestyle choice” is legal. So for you to lump homosexuals into the same category as rapists again, shows that you are either poorly educated or a child.
Please read your arguements again, then read mine. Notice the difference between arguing with cohesive and cognitive facts and rambling rubbish with BIG incendiary verbs like “rapist and murders.”
Maybe it’s hate that’s causing your brain to malfunction.
Donnie is a big ol’ gospel queen. Since when has he been anti-gay. He’s a homosexual, he’s just not practicing.
@common sense
thank you.
on the other hand, all these ‘transgenders’ that are trying to throw themselves in the mix got me wanting to NOT agree with all this LGBT stuff. To try and change your gender, have people fooled about it (like all these guys that look like women and dont tell a man and wind up hurt, then call it a hate crime) or these huge men that wear skirts, take hormones to grow *****ies then come and try to use the womens room! uh uh! I dont think so. Go use the mens room, why should women have to put up with such nonsense? They want to come and use the womens dressing room, and I saw one even try to fight a lady like this man is really on that level just because they say that they “feel more like a women than a man”! You are NOT! Gay, lesbian, whatever, but these transgender things be taking it to a new level and the actual Gay and Lesbian community could do themselves a favor by distancing themselves from this whacked out bunch and they might get more support from people like me who dont really mind that they are gay, but do mind when people try to step out of bounds.
Are these nature vs. nuture posts for real? Seriously. And for “smiling bob,” your arguments are about some of the worst I’ve ever heard. You must have been the ones that never made the debate team and couldn’t understand why.
@common sense
So you are saying that if the law said that it was illegal to be gay that you would be fine with it?
Because thats the only thing that makes pedophilia gay–THE LAW!
If you think that the states that banned homesexual marriage are discriminating against gays but are ok with laws to prevent pedophilia– you are a hypocrite.
I’m against homosexuality and pedophilia. They are one and the same to me. Both should be illegal.
correction:
pedophilia wrong-THE LAW!
obama doesnt mind defending the gays but wont say anything about racial inequality and discrimination in america
***** outta here
gay is evil..period and all those black churches that celebrate gay unions should be ashamed of themselves
WOW Smiling Bob, do you read what the others are saying about your debating skills? You might want to stop and ask yourself, “Am I stupid or just blinded by insecurity and hate?”
I hope for you it’s the latter because that at least can be remedied.
AGAIN, being gay is LEGAL. It’s legal based on the premise that its between TWO CONSENTING ADULTS! Let me spell that out slowly for you. It’s ok for two adult men to be gay with each other as long as they are men. This is because men are different than kids, they have the ability to make choices for themselves and are able to aquit themselvs with the rest of mainstream adult society.
PEDOPHILIA on the other hand is when an ADULT (see grown person) has sex with a CHILD. SEE SOMEONE WHO IS NOT OF THE AGE OF CONSENT. The law and society don’t view a child of the age of ten as being fully developed physically or mentally (sort of like you). Thus, we seek to protect the child from predatory adults. Depending on your state, 17-18 is the age of consent.
SEE THE DIFFERENCE? 10 yr. old’s can’t really decide if they want to show each other their wee wee or watch cartoons. They can’t reproduce sexually and haven’t entered puberty yet. DO YOU SEE THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN TWO CONSENTING ADULTS AND A CHILD???????
pedophilia is a lifestyle choice.
being a career criminal is a lifestyle choice.
Homosexuality is a lifestyle choice.
Homosexuality is a sin.
Being born black is not a lifestyle choice
Telling the above to a homosexual is not “judging.”
Choosing to be gay is not the same as being born black.
pedophilia is a lifestyle choice.
being a career criminal is a lifestyle choice.
pedophilia is a lifestyle choice.
being a career criminal is a lifestyle choice.
Homosexuality is a lifestyle choice.
Homosexuality is a sin.
Being born black is not a lifestyle choice
Telling the above to a homosexual is not “judging.”
Choosing to be gay is not the same as being born black.
doesn’t anybody feel me on this transgender foolery?
According to what I read. Gay rights leaders were furious at Barack for using McClurkin as a financial backer. Donnie has spoken out on gays and how they are nto going oalong with God’s will. So they wanted Barack to drop Donnie as a sponsor. Barack is speaking out about it because he doesn’t want to lose the LGBT vote.
Some people are getting really offended by this issue. Everyone is entitled to their opinions Common Sense and others. You shouldn’t think of someone is less intelligent just b/c they don’t believe that being homesexual is a science. Any sane person has to admit that is hard to believe.
However, I will not judge someone is they are that way that’s what they chose to be. However you cannot push your views on someone else just b/c they may not like you or they think what you do is unholy. Just move on b/c no matter if you are black, gay, a woman, people will always have their reasons not to like you.
LOGIC LESSONS FOR THOSE WHO ARE FUNCTIONALLY RETARDED:
Pedophilia: Between child and predatory adult. No consent exists because it’s one party in a state of power preying on the powerless
Homosexuality: Between two consenting ADULTS
Career criminal: Someone breaking the law by committing illegal acts against OTHERS. Victims of crime do not CONSENT to their victimhood.
*rolling my eyes at Smiling Bob* Now you know most African Americans, people like you always LOUDLY decide who’s entitled, just like KKK. Let’s hope you get delivered.
Common Sense your sense and wit is refreshing but wasted, sometimes I feel like our community (AA) is doomed because the ignorant loud people always get heard. :0
@ common sense
Again, you are unknowingly supporting my arguments.
You said “The law and society don’t view a child of the age of ten as being fully developed physically or mentally (sort of like you). ”
And again I say to you, If the law(or society) mandates that pedophilia is wrong, then can the law(or society) mandate that homosexuality is wrong as well?
You are a hypocrite for siding with society on one and not the other.
this will win him more votes
I am pleasantly surprised that the ignorant posts have been kept to a minimum and make no sense to rationally thinking human beings.
What people need to focus on are political issues that affect them! If you are heterosexual, two men or two women getting married does not affect you. Once we start denying rights, we head down a dangerous road that could lead back to where we started. Look at the Supreme Court already turning back Affirmative Action programs. What’s next?
The difference between homosexuality and pedophilia is that pedophiles have VICTIMS. SMH, please say SIKE so we don’t think you really are incapable of rational thought.
Smiling Bob,
How about you prove it’s only in their minds? Does that also apply to animals as well? The fact is the American Psychological *****ocation (APA) promoted that ignorance for years until they had to give up since it was based on their ignorance.
Homosexuality is here to stay no matter what. The Christian apologists who only have the bible as source need to understand we are in 2007 and not in the 1800’s.
And since homosexuality is here to stay, homosexualities need the same rights as any other group.
JESUS!!! There is a logic (a word you cannot grasp) behind the REASONING FOR THAT LAW!!!!
As someone who studied the law for 3 years, I can *****ure you that our laws are not arbitrarily decided. So when you ask, “can the law mandate that homosexuality is wrong?”
THE ANSWER IS *****ING NOOOOOOOOO. N-O. NOT AT ALL
NEVER!!!!
DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHY!?!? BECASUE IT’S TWO CONSENTING ADULTS. THAT IS THE REASONING.
The anti-sodomy laws of southern states were overturned BECAUSE: the Supreme Court did not want state governments to legislate what CONSENTING ADULTS do in the PRIVACY OF THEIR OWN BEDROOMS!!!
Does that register?? See Lawrence v. Texas.
So no, I am not a hypocrite because I am using the same line of reasoning for prohiting pedophila as I am for legalizing homosexuality. Why can’t you get that?!?!
Please, read slowly. Stop, take a few minutes to digest it, and then think again before you type.
I am shocked at the ignorance exhibited by some people. I feel sorry for black gay people, they are the most likely to be rejected by their own people. Esp, the men who are pressured into being this hyper masculine caricature, it’s terrible. Just live and let live.
“Pedophilia: Between child and predatory adult. No consent exists because it’s one party in a state of power preying on the powerless”
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Since the age of consent varies from state to state and country to country, and generation to generation…how can you determine that a 10 year would be the powerless one?
Is it because the adult may be bigger? Is it because the adult may be smarter? You know that thats not always the case. The truth is, the law against pedophilia only exists because people felt that that lifestyle choice was sickening and repulsive. There is no scientific marker other than puberty that truly determines what an adult really is. According to SCIENCE a being is an adult once it reaches sexual maturity. However we “judge” adulthood based on a percieved “mental” milestone.
So in a roundabout way science actually supports pedophilia and society bans it. (I condemn it too)
Youre ok with that, but when society frowns on homosexuality and science doesnt support it either, you cry discrimination.
HYPOCRITE you are!!!
Now homesexuality and pedophilia can not be considered the same under no cir*****stances….Most who are victims of pedophilia are children and they are not consenting adults….Smiling Bob, you make no sense with that argument, I think you may need to go back and read the definitions of both.
@Common Sense
Since you say you understand law, do you have a problem with the states that ban homosexual marriage. Do you support the decision of those states? If you do, then you are not a hypocrite.
WTF does Bossip “writers” mean by “basic Black christian beliefs on the gays”??? Because I’m black and a Christian I have to believe what everyone else does? Who the hell runs this website? One day posts about black people being Uncle Toms and the next there is a blatant stereotype against an entire group of people. Make up your minds.
Lol…..Smiling Bob, I want you to find one other person here who will read all these posts and agree with your reasoning.
Because according to you, “how could you determine a 10 year old was the powerless one?” REALLY? Is the pedophile Webster?!? Show me a scenario between a 10 year old and an adult in which the 10 year old had more power PLEASE SHOW ME (sponge bob doesn’t count)
Also, since I *****ume you are not a lawyer (there’s no bar exam you could p***** with that sense of logic), I’ll confirm that the laws against pedophilia were established to PROTECT CHILDREN WHO ARE VICTIMS. THAT IS THE REASON. Get out a legal book please.
Hey there Bossip peeps-
As a heterosexual christian I feel it is my duty to speak up, and though, like most smart people, I’l probably get drowned out by the idiots, here it goes: Those of us who wish to tout the bible around and use it as a justification to deny gays there rights should be VERY ashamed of themselves. Bible p*****ages were also used to justify slavery and promote the superiority of the white race (We all know thats a crock.) If you truly believe that gayness is wrong then so be it- but don’t sit up here and try to mask bigotry under the guise of biblical prose. If the only thing you get from the bible is too deny gay there rights, than you have missed the forest for the trees. There are far more p*****ages of God’s word which promote tolerance and love for your neighbor. Remember: The Devil knows the bible too.
@Common Sense
I agree that people are born gay however my faith tells me that God can deliever you. I don’t know anyone personally that was a “former gay” but my faith *****ures me that it is possible.
NOTHING AGAINST GAY’S BUT……THIS IS JUST AH WAY TO GET MORE VOTES, KNOWING THAT GAY IS ABOUT TO BECOME POPULAR LIKE WHO GET THA WHITE AND BLACK VOTES. SO NOW ITS BLACK VOTES, WHITE VOTES, AND GAY VOTES!!! SMART MOVE ………NOT
@Delta Diva
please remember that I do not condone pedophilia.
My point is:
1. that society determined that pedophilia is wrong.
2. the age of consent varies from one place to another. state to state, and country to country
3. the bilogical age of adulthood is after puberty which does occur in pre-teens
4. the mental age of adulthood cannot be accurately measured. We only use a best guess. (18 yearolds can go to war but have to be 21 to buy alcohol???)I thought they wer adults.
5. there is no biological justification for homosexuality.
homosexuality and pedophilia are both lifestyle choices. The only difference is that pedophilia is against the law based on age of consent. This “age of consent” is determined by society. Why cant society determine that homosexuality is wrong without being accused of discriminating. We did that to the pedophiles.(rightfully so)
@ AND…
I believe that Bossip is saying that to stir up trouble..
Unimpressed
Hey there Bossip peeps-
As a heterosexual christian I feel it is my duty to speak up, and though, like most smart people, I’l probably get drowned out by the idiots, here it goes: Those of us who wish to tout the bible around and use it as a justification to deny gays there rights should be VERY ashamed of themselves. Bible p*****ages were also used to justify slavery and promote the superiority of the white race (We all know thats a crock.) If you truly believe that gayness is wrong then so be it- but don’t sit up here and try to mask bigotry under the guise of biblical prose. If the only thing you get from the bible is too deny gay there rights, than you have missed the forest for the trees. There are far more p*****ages of God’s word which promote tolerance and love for your neighbor. Remember: The Devil knows the bible too
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Thank you, thank you, thank you. I am heterosexual, black, female, and Chrisitian and if there was a rally to support Gay Marriages I would be right there in it. What you typed is exactly what I’ve been trying to tell my friends. God said LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR. Not your heterosexual, black, or Christian neighbor. In denying a group of people the fundamental rights as everyone else b/c of their sexuality is no different than denying blacks an education b/c of their skin tone. Either we will have equality or we won’t but you can’t hide behind the Bible.
@ Everyone
Why is the argument that Heterosexuality is a choice missing?
Right on @
Anybody read a People’s History of The United States by Howard Zinn?
Apparently , white masters had a verse for every wrongdoing they committed!
@Smiling Bob
Homosexuality is not a lifestyle just like heterosexuality is not a lifestyle. Your choice to engage in sexual activities is the lifestyle. God gave us sexuality but with guidelines. The sin is in the sex not in the being.
@ Common Sense
Obviously you are unable to read between the lines. I understand that the laws against pedophilia are ther to protect children. I never said that I was against the laws. You refuse to see however that the age of consent has no factual data to support it. Thats why it is different everywhere.
How do you know that a 10 year old cant be a consenting adult?. Iknow that it is SIckening just thinking about it but, for sake of argument….
Also, all pedophiles are not big men. There are small men and women pedophiles and there are 6ft tall pre-teens.
And…
There are powerless “consenting victims” in relationships between adults. Why not ban all relationships then considering that possibility.
Lisa, I’m with you….Barak has to be P.C. but everyone does not believe in the gay lifestyle….even if you don’t believe in Adam and Eve then you must believe that we were created to bear children and during that act obtain some sense of pleasure….children cannot come from the coupling of two men or two women….now that’s science!!!
All I am going to say is he is right. Think about. If our society ever oppress gay people, We are all in trouble.
First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.
Pastor Martin Niemöller
@Smiling Bob
In response to:
There are powerless “consenting victims” in relationships between adults. Why not ban all relationships then considering that possibility.
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There is no such thing as a powerless adult in this country. Our laws prohibit that.
“God said LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR”
Youre right. He did say that. And everyone is your neighbor including the list of unsavory charachters I listed before and also some others like:
The members of the KKK
Don Imus
Bill O’Reilly
George Bush
Adolf Hitler
Those are all your neighbors too. Loving your neighbors does not mean condoning their sin. I love whoever this “common sense” person I’m debating against. That doesnt mean we are going to see eye-to-eye. I love the rest of the posters here enough to not bite my tongue just to be politically correct.
@Smiling Bob
“Loving your neighbors does not mean condoning their sin.”
Nor does it mean condemning them. We all fall short of the glory so why does man put more weight on one sin than the other?
Smiling donkey, you do realize that we make our laws based on the consistent quantitative data, and just because there’s a red herring or two does not mean that we adjust our laws accordingly. So just because you can find me “a 6 ft. tall pre-teen” and a “small adult” doesn’t change the fact that in 99.9% of the instances, there’s a greatr variance in physical size.
HOWEVER, notwithstanding your proven itellect, the mental capacity between a 10 year old and even a 17 year old are so vastly different that for you to discount them, or for you to not realize that the psychological and mental sophistication is so different between ANY 10 yr old and ANY 17 year old, makes me want some of what you are smoking.
You do understand that a 17 year old can have sex and fully accept the gravity and nature of his/her actions. A 10 YR OLD CANNOT!!!! NONE, CAN’T HAPPEN, NO MATTER HOW SMART OR SPECIAL. THUS, THE LINE.
You really live in some fantasy land in which the laws are just “made up” by a group of people in a room asking what sounds good. You might have heard, but people go through puberty and are not physically adult until somewhere between 16-18. That usually starts around 11. Notice that most states have similiar consent ages of 17-18?????
WHY DO YOU THINK THAT IS BOB? Do you think some thought might have gone into that?
@Common Sense
LMAO @ “HOWEVER, notwithstanding your proven itellect, the mental capacity between a 10 year old and even a 17 year old are so vastly different that for you to discount them, or for you to not realize that the psychological and mental sophistication is so different between ANY 10 yr old and ANY 17 year old, makes me want some of what you are smoking.”
So, basically this is a Christian argument. So all those who don’t believe in the Bible, or are of a different religion that doesn’t suscribe to the same doctrine are safe then. YES!!!!
@ AND..
Homosexuality is the act of being a homosexual so YES, it is a lifestyle choice. I agree that someone can be born into homosexuality. All of us are born into sin. We are all sinners. And, I agree with the poster that said heterosexuality is a choice as well. Thats true. However, God blessed us all with a conscience and gave us a way to find the truth. Any person straight or gay can repent for all of their sins and ask the Lord to come into their life. AND if you are gay and you don’t believe that homosexuality is a sin. Just repent of all sins that you knowingly AND unknowingly may have done. If you are sincere and believe on Jesus Christ and that he was sent down and died for all of OUR sins. Then you will be saved and DELIVERED! They key is you have to believe in Him. I am not saying you have to repent while denouncing homosexuality. You have to repent of all sin period and he will give you the guidance to recognize sin.
@Wake up
I try to leave God or religion out of discussion like this but since it had already been introduced when I first looked in I *****umed it was okay to join in. My point of view goes back to not denying anyone the rights that everyone else enjoys b/c of something they have no control over.
@common sense
you will never get it will you? You may need to change your name.
There is no scientific data that establishes age of consent.
There IS biological data that establishes adulthood. Its called puberty.
The age of consent varies from culture to culture, state to state, country to country, and generation to generation.
So who is right?
Here is a listing of the age of consent in some countries.
Notice that some pre-teens made the list.
http://www.avert.org/aofconsent.htm
@And
I completely agree. I’m not knocking anyone for their viewpoints, I just want it to be founded on a LOGICAL and equal base. Not all of us believe, it’s immoral, or sin. Not all of us believe in Christianity or suscribe to the Bible. I think people fail to believe that. It’s “group think” and that’s the scariest part.
Homosexuality is the act of being a homosexual so YES, it is a lifestyle choice. I agree that someone can be born into homosexuality. All of us are born into sin. We are all sinners. And, I agree with the poster that said heterosexuality is a choice as well. Just repent of all sins that you knowingly AND unknowingly may have done. If you are sincere and believe on Jesus Christ and that he was sent down and died for all of OUR sins. Then you will be saved and DELIVERED!
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1. Homosexuality is not a choice and neither is heterosexuality. I DID NOT CHOOSE TO BE HETEROSEXUAL. I choose to engage in heterosexual activities. There is a difference in those two sentences.
2. What definition of deliverance are you using and what is the time frame? I can pray for deliverance from human contact or affection but in the mean time I will still crave and need those things.
3. Deliverace is not instantaneous even if some gay people were praying for deliverance from that.
4. I don’t and will not pray for deliverance from heterosexuality and I bet you haven’t either.
LOL, smiling fool…
I realize you might not have ever taken statistics, but let me school you, if you look at the link you posted, you will see that somewhere around 85% of the countries have an age of 16 or older. THAT MEANS IT’S ALMOST UNIVERSALLY ACCEPTED.
If you look at the “civilized western nations” none are under 14. Can you serious sit here and try to argue that the age of consent below 16 is somehow vague? Can you truly compare what two grown ***** people do together consensually to what an adult and a 10 yr. old do?
You notice that NO ONE on this message board has even come close to doing anything but mocking your thought process. Really man, you’re making red herring, one off, extreme examples to try and argue against something that the rest of the educated, civilized world already gets.
If every nation that also believes that the world is round accepts that no one under the age of 16 can consent to sex with another adult, don’t you think there’s something to that?
@Common Sense
Stop wasting your time. Like you said everyone else gets it.
1. Homosexuality is not a choice and neither is heterosexuality. I DID NOT CHOOSE TO BE HETEROSEXUAL. I choose to engage in heterosexual activities. There is a difference in those two sentences.
OK lets try this really slowly.
“Homosexuality is the “act” of being a homosexual.” That means “actively” living a homosexual lifestyle. Which means “actively” making a lifestyle choice.
2. What definition of deliverance are you using and what is the time frame? I can pray for deliverance from human contact or affection but in the mean time I will still crave and need those things.
You pray for total and complete deliverence. Sure you will be tempted. Jesus was tempted. I repent on a daily basis. No one is above temptation. Deliverence means the sin no longer controls you
3. Deliverace is not instantaneous even if some gay people were praying for deliverance from that.
Deliverance comes from God. Only he can deliver you. To suggest that he cant do anything instantaneously is to suggest that he is not all powerful. The only limiting factor in deliverance is man.
4. I don’t and will not pray for deliverance from heterosexuality and I bet you haven’t either.
You are right, I won’t. I suggested that those who didnt believe that homosexuality was a sin to pray a blanket pray for deliveence from ALL sins. Those that they know are sins and those they may be unsure of.
@ Smiling Bob
You are REALLY scary. O just hope that cutting both achilles tendons and blinding is an acceptable punishment for sleeping with a person under 14 because you gonna get it if you touch my son/daughter.
I guess that 5 year old on Youtube had it coming?
And again Common sense
My point is not whether pedophilia is wrong, but where is the science to prove what constitutes the mental age of an adult. I am not defending pedophilia, I am proving, as you are unwittingly, that society can make rules as they see fit.
You see common sense I have convinced you to agree with me and you didnt even realize it. Society will make rules based on morality. As in the case of the legal age of consent. So the next time a homosexual says they have been discriminated against you can say
“If most nations that also believes that the world is round accepts that gay marriage should be illegal don’t you think there’s something to that?”
Same thing.
@Richard if a pedophile touches your son or daughter, I would probably hurt them myself. I am totally against it. If youve read my posts you will see that. I don’t even agree that 16 should be the legal age. it should be 18.
@Smiling Bob
1. Homosexuality is the sexual activity with another of the same sex. Parti*****tion in the sexual act makes it a lifestyle which is the habits, attitudes, tastes, moral standards, economic level, etc., that together constitute the mode of living of an individual or group.
2. Not all deliverace is from sin. Some are from lifestyles such as a bad attitude, eating too much chocolate, impatience, spending too much money on clothes or bad choices.
3.”To suggest that he cant do anything instantaneously is to suggest that he is not all powerful.”"The only limiting factor in deliverance is man.” “I repent on a daily basis.” I guess you haven’t been delivered yet then, huh? Since you are still repenting. I never said God couldn’t do anything instantaneously but if I was delivered from all sins the first time I repented and asked for it then I would no longer need God.
@AND
1. So are you agreeing with me or disagreeing with me? Thats pretty much what I said.
2. OK
3. You can be instantly delivered and you can slip back into sin. Christ is married to the backslider. Paul even said “I die daily.” However those who have been delivered will have something that they didnt have before…conviction. Thats why we will repent.
1) Except that an increasing # of nations are changing their gay marriage laws
2) Legalizing gay marriage and legalizing homosexuality are two drastically different things and you’d find that while the overwhelming majority of Americans are against discrinimation against gays in all other cir*****stances, they are more evenly split re: marriage.
3) Your brain is just too simple.
“Society can make rules as they see fit”
Um, NO, they don’t. There’s an underlying basis for all of our laws. The constitution. “Society” does not make laws, the laws are legislated under the shadow of the constitution. Thus, laws that intefere with the actions of consenting adults (something all of the rest of us are able to grasp) are against our constitution’s provision of a right to privacy. (AGAIN YOU HORSE’S *****, Look up Lawrence v. Texas AND read the supreme court’s ruling. You’ll get your answer right there)
You probably can’t reconcile all of this in your brain. You likely think that “society makes the laws” arbitrarily as it “sees fit.”
That is why people like you don’t make the laws.
I say ban smiling bob because I hate his gravatar, but he did kind of pull the okie-doke on Common Sense. I saw it coming all the way.
The constitution existed during:
slavery
3/5ths rule
civil rigts era
womens suffrage movement
segregation
japanese concentration camps in America
war in Iraq
yet there were laws on the books that justified the injustices that took place during those periods I just listed. Society changed and thus the law changed thats what happens in a democratic society. Amendments are added to the constitution as society sees fit. Get your money back for your degree.
@Smiling Bob
I’m sorry that you don’t understand what I mean. It is good however that we do not determine the fate of each other souls but God does. It is also good that God knows our heart and just like it was once illegal to teach a black person to read but was changed so will anti-gay laws. Just like the law that a woman could not be raped by her husband was changed so will anti-gay laws. Just like a woman couldn’t have birth control unless she was married so will anti-gay laws. Just like slavery was once legal but was changed so will anti-gay laws. I think you see where I am going with this or maybe you don’t, either way only time will tell. I for one hope that one day all those people who claim to be Christians will truly open their eyes and do what Jesus did… accept.
@And
All I am saying is if you accept homosexuality, then where do you draw the line? If it was illegal, would you accept it? If pedophelia wasnt illegal, would you aceept it?
By The Way, God does not accept sin. He accepts a repentant heart.
You’re seriously a fool. Those laws were changed BECAUSE THEY VIOLATED THE SPIRIT OF THE CONSTITUTION. The Iraq war and Japanese concentration camps are/were in violation of that spirit. AND if GWB decided to unilaterally make gay sex and marriage the law of the land, that too would violate the constitution.
No amendment can be added on a whim. That is why we have the Supreme Court. If a law (say, a law that makes homosexual sex illegal) is exists in Texas (you’re a stupid *****, but I’ll continue to try and explain to you, read Lawrence v. Texas. Just google it moron) someone challenges it, and it is overturned because it does not comply with the spirit of the constitution.
There are basic punumbras from which are fundamental rights are established. The Supreme Court of this country has ruled numerous times that there exists a right of privacy from the government.
I realized that comprehending all of this requires a grasp of nuance and a minimum of a 9th grade education. The the constitution exists through all of those things you mentioned means sweet *****-all to our arguement. We are talking about whether or not the government provides for a age of consent for two adults.
You are trying to argue that since this age of consent can’t be locked down to a precise year, that somehow that means that there’s no such thing as “consenting adults.”
Every country has a notion of “consenting” adults.
THE AGE OF CONSENT IS NARROW AND BASICALLY UNIVERSALLY BETWEEN 16-18 (14-18 at it’s widest). THIS IS NOT VAGUE! THIS IS NOT IN DISPUTE.
THERE IS NO *****ING CONSENT WHEN A 10 YR OLD IS INVOLVED. NONE, THIS IS NOT “OPEN TO INTERPRETATION.”
JUST LIKE TWO ADULT MEN IS HAVING CONSENSUAL SEX IS NOT OPEN TO INTERPRETATION.
You do realize that. RIGHT? That is the crux of our arguement, that you can plainly establish that two adult men/women can consent to same-sex relations.
NO CHILD CAN EVER CONSENT TO SAME-SEX. THE LAW REFLECTS THAT. IT’S NOT JUST “THE WHIM OF SOCIETY.”
There is no victim when my neighbor chooses to ***** his boyfriend. NONE. There is a victim if he chooses to molest a 10 year old. ASK ANY PSCHOLOGIST. A 10 Year old cannot consent to sex. A TEN YR. OLD HAS NO GRASP OF SEX. Can’t you see that?
THESE ARE THE *****ING LAWS OF NATURE. IT’S NOT VAGUE.
Everyone sells out sooner or later.
They are far more important priorities than a person sex life.
Black people can not choose to be black nor even cover it up. Gay poeple can choose to do right or wrong or whatever they call it or be in the closet. I hate gays riding off the backs of slavery for their cause.
It’s like saying a killer can not choose to kill or not to kill nor can pedophilers, but we should not judge them!! HYPOCRIT COUNTRY. No wonder we have so many gays..we’re a confused *****ed up country.
SICK WORLD!!!!
and whether or not there is a law that makes pedophilia legal or not, IT DOESN’T MATTER TO THIS DISCUSSION.
Answer this PLEASE.
Can you acknowledge that what two adult men do together CONSENSUALLY, is COMPLETELY different that what a CHILD and an adult do?
Can you acknowledge that a child CANNOT consent, because sexuality does NOT EXIST IN CHILDREN. IT’S NOT OPEN TO DEBATE, IT’S A FACT.
WHETHER OR NOT IT’S A LAW IS IRRELEVANT. There’s consent in one case, and no consent in the other.
AND THAT’S THE BASIS FOR THE LAW, THAT CHILDREN CAN *****ING NEVER GIVE SEXUAL CONSENT.
It is an embarr*****ment that the black community is so homophobic it makes us look like hypocrites when we complain about racism.If you are sooo upset about what two consensual adults do in their bedroom you are probably gay yourself.Homophobia is why we have all these DOWN LOW brothas (TYLER PERRY)
@ tru self:
Do you need to be taught the diffence as well.
When a gay man has sex, how the ***** does that effect you? HOW? Does it rain? Does the envirnoment get polluted?
Seems to me that the only person affected by gay sex is the other gay person.
No when someone molests a child, or kills someone, DO THEY CONSENT TO DIE OR BE MOLESTED?
Isn’t there a victim in one case and none in the other. IS THAT SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND?
I might not approve of you jerking off to pictures of sheep, but you do it in your own time, and no sheep (only photos of them) are harmed in the process. That is why I do not object to your ***** fantasies.
Z Phi I agree with you. Very suspect IMO. I dunno…
Smiling Bob, stfu! Homosexuality is consentual between two ADULTS!!! You can’t compare that to ***** or pedophilia because animals nor children can give their consent! Like it says in the bible, before you go to remove the speck from your brother’s eye, remove the PLANK from your own! Nuff said
Please there is no point arguing with these ignorant *****holes. If common sense can’t help someone figure out that homosexuality does not affect him/her and that its patently differently from pedophilia, rape, *****, there is no use trying to explain it. Some people are just determined to be ignorant and as obsessed with supressing others’ rights just like ole m*****a. People that don’t understand civil rights should apply to everyone, shouldn’t have them!
@ Tru Self, did you “choose” to be heterosexual? What if someone told you to stop liking the opposite sex and start sleeping with someone of the same sex, would it be that easy for you to do? Hell naw it wouldn’t, and that’s why gays do not “choose” to be in the lifestyle they’re in. You can’t help what you like. It’s evident no one would choose to live a life where they’re constantly being condemended to just be themself.
I keep hearing pedophilia in the conversation. Why is that? Being gay does not mean they are considered pedophile. Pedophiles are grown (18 and over) adults conducting sexual activities with under age minors (17 and younger). Those minors can be boys or girls. If you watch that show “to catch a child predator”, 19 out of 20 of those predators are male men trying to hook up with a 14 yo girl.
That has nothing to do about being gay. If those underage girls were 18 and over, then it would be ok because it would be legal.
OBAMA and his camp are making “bad decisions” about their campaign. Let’s face it OBAMA will not win, but still be smart with the people you are “RIDIN’” wit
I echo Common Sense’s common sense. Don’t bother explaning any further. Smiling Bob is a closet case, as most homophobes are.
i actually agree, any type of discrimination is wrong, and as blacks we especially should understand that. we cant put our religious beliefs into why we think gays/lesbian shouldnt get married, its called seperation of church and state.
im still for hilary though.
dontaskme4shyt
@ Tru Self, did you “choose” to be heterosexual? What if someone told you to stop liking the opposite sex and start sleeping with someone of the same sex, would it be that easy for you to do? Hell naw it wouldn’t, and that’s why gays do not “choose” to be in the lifestyle they’re in. You can’t help what you like. It’s evident no one would choose to live a life where they’re constantly being condemended to just be themself.
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I’ve already tried to enlighten these people. They will not understand until it happens to someone they know. Don’t bother wasting your time.
umm wow
I keep hearing pedophilia in the conversation. Why is that? Being gay does not mean they are considered pedophile. Pedophiles are grown (18 and over) adults conducting sexual activities with under age minors (17 and younger). Those minors can be boys or girls. If you watch that show “to catch a child predator”, 19 out of 20 of those predators are male men trying to hook up with a 14 yo girl.
That has nothing to do about being gay. If those underage girls were 18 and over, then it would be ok because it would be legal.
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Not only are they male but WHITE men. I’ve only seen 1 black guy and 1 Asian guy. Should we lock all of them up too?
1. lemure
Please there is no point arguing with these ignorant *****holes. If common sense can’t help someone figure out that homosexuality does not affect him/her and that its patently differently from pedophilia, rape, *****, there is no use trying to explain it. Some people are just determined to be ignorant and as obsessed with supressing others’ rights just like ole m*****a. 1. lemure
Please there is no point arguing with these ignorant *****holes. If common sense can’t help someone figure out that homosexuality does not affect him/her and that its patently differently from pedophilia, rape, *****, there is no use trying to explain it. Some people are just determined to be ignorant and as obsessed with supressing others’ rights just like ole m*****a. People that don’t understand civil rights should apply to everyone, shouldn’t have them!
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Co-sign 100000000000000%. That is the fact of the matter. Giving everyone equal opportunity.
@kriskris
In response to:
It is an embarr*****ment that the black community is so homophobic it makes us look like hypocrites when we complain about racism.If you are sooo upset about what two consensual adults do in their bedroom you are probably gay yourself.Homophobia is why we have all these DOWN LOW brothas (TYLER PERRY)
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Don’t agree with the shot at Tyler Perry but I totally agree with the rest. I think ***** sex is disgusting between heterosexuals or not yet if there are two consenting adults in the privacy of their own homes they can do whatever the hell they want and I don’t care. If homosexuality should be illegal then so should ***** sex. After all if you are straight but have ***** sex with a girl isn’t that just as bad? Aren’t you performing a homosexual act?
Smiling Bob,
Regarding homosexuality as only a lifestyle choice: Just because you say so doesn’t make it true. Also, saying it over and over again does not make it more true. You are arguing through a false logical device.
It is called “false dichotomy”, which states that if A is not true than B must be true. The reason why it is bogus is because there may be C, D, E, F, etc. Science does not work by “Not A” implies “B”. Science says, “Not A”, means we have more work to do, unless the evidence strongly supports “B”.
Regarding Pedophilia as an *****ogy to homosexuality: Pedophilia is illegal because of the imbalance of power between an adult and a child. The same philosophy is behind laws that protect workers in the workplace from sexual har*****ment from their superiors.
The fact that age of consent varies from state to state or from country to country doesn’t change the basic idea and motivation behind the laws. It only reflects how different groups estimate the age of consent.
Also, the fact that the notion of age of consent doesn’t take into account the different actual maturity of individuals, doesn’t change the basic notion. It merely reflects the difficulty of making laws that are useful and easy to enforce, but take into account individual variations. Discerning a law’s applicability to individuals is what judges are for.
In other words, all forms of sexual behavior that exploit an imbalance of power between the individuals are subject to being restricted by law. Such laws might be simplistic, but that doesn’t change the spirit and motivation behind them.
Homosexuality does not fall into that category. A better *****ogy is french kissing between two consenting adults. If for some reason you find french kissing to be abominable, you have the right to abstain from it. However, you don’t have the right to restrict others from doing it.
The idea that you might find homosexuality more distasteful than french kissing is a personal issue and to others merely arbitrary.
I think thats ignorant for Bossip to say that he’s just supporting gays for votes. Its not a crime to promote the equality of another opressed minority, personally i bleieve that thats what GOD really intended for us to do…Not to bash others becuz “everybody’s doin it” pr becuz some white man written book tells us to. I know that there are alot of conversavitve black christinas in this country, but black people are the last people to be putting other groups down, we still havent found our own place and we’ve been fightin for oer 200 years.
I agree with Smiling Bob and I thank you for holding it down for bible believing Christians.
Barack lost my vote awhile I ago. I refuse to just place a vote on someone b/c they are black. I suggest you all look at his record (which is very short) and p***** his skin color.
Now for the others, feel free to pick and choose what makes you feel comfortable in the bible but it is written; I Cor 6: 9,10, Leviticus 18:22, Leviticus 20:13, Deut 23:17. Dust off the bible and look it up
If you decide to believe only in some of what the bible says then why believe any of it at all?
The second greatest gift, next to salvation, was free will.
And for the “why would someone choose to be gay” folks….why do people choose to disobey God on the daily? Why do people choose to (insert ANY sin here)?
Be Blessed Yall
@ And
In Virginia and many other southern states sodomy aka taking it in the butt….IS ILLEGAL
Enjoy that bit of wisdom
@The Real Jewel
I doubt you follow the bible word for word. The bible was meant as a guide in the choices you make as how to live your life, not to be put in laws. There is also a section in the bible that says its a sin to eat shellfish and also that all women who are found out to not be a virgin on their wedding night should be stoned to death. Do you agree with that? Apparently you do since you beleive in the bible so much.
I am disappointed to read Obama’s stance on gay people, as a person of color it is wrong to lump gays and African American..it is an insult and a disgrace.
just to make it clear before i start: I dont have any problem with gay people.
Now that being said please tell me why the ‘transgendered’ are included now in everything gay and lesbian. The transgendered (I am using this term very begrudgingly, I would prefer he-she) men ESPECIALLY need to fall back. Just because you are gay and may ‘feel like a women in your heart’ or some ish like that – it does not mean that you can infringe on actual womens rights! I do not want to see a dam man dressed up hormoned up whatever…using the effing womens room! Or using the ladies dressing room! Or trying to talk trash and fight with a women like he is an actual women! (people, it does happen, not all are dog walking, flower picking gentle souls, some of these guys are just straight up ghetto!) If a man chooses to dress like a women, take hormones, and wear skirts, that is his choice but it does not mean that he is an actual women PERIOD! didnt anybody hear of that lawsuit where the man was cross dressing and taking hormones and was suing to use the womens restroom? that is what this is coming to too…the gay and lesbian community would be wise to distance itself from this type of behavior which actually tramples on other peoples rights, the same rights they claim everybody deserves.
Smiling Bob, since you have appointed yourself resident christian fundamentalist and Bible thumper–a group of people about whom I am deeply suspicious and totally mistrust–and have taken upon yourself the responsibility of judgement you should know that you are wrong about what the Bible says about prophesying in His name and judging. The Bible is peppered with warnings against the dangers (and burden) of judgement, a corrupt, ego-gratifying, self-righteous habit certain “christians” refuse to give up. Matthew cries out, “Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.” Romans reminds us eternally, in brutally humbling fashion, that: “There is none righteous, not even one…” And what of the heavy Christian commandment to love? John responds by saying: If someone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for the one who does not love his brother whom he has seen, cannot love God whom he has not seen.”
Stop smiling and start understanding.
Separation of church and state.
Separation of Church and state.
This does not mean separation of everyone else’s church but yours. It means separation of all church’s from the state. So can someone please tell me why two consenting adults who engage in a private practice that is no longer illegal because of Lawrence V. Texas should be denied equal protection under the law. The bill of rights is the bible in this country.
Now if you want to be christian and disagree go ahead but your christianity can not and should not have any bearing on the law.
But I wonder if these people crying out against homosexuals because of two p*****ages in the bible are crying out against fornicators for the 23 times it is forbidden. And don’t let me catch you wearing wool. If your brother dies you better marry his wife. If sex is strictly for procreation no oral, and certainly no masturbation. If people should be censured for promoting a sexuality that does not result in procreation then the film industry, the music industry, and quite frankly every industry should be reprimanded for promoting oral and sometimes ***** sex. In fact you should be asking for an amendment banning oral sex and ***** sex.
My point is the logic behind homophobia is not based in the bible. It’s based on a fear of the unknown. In the black community this fear is often *****ociated with black women who are afraid they can’t find the right man and are upset that there brother Ray ray can and has. In the black male community the fear is a fear of masculinity that has already been compromised by racism and segration being threatened further internally and externally.
Think people think.
Good damn point, TJ, and might I add that when the majority of people voice their hate for gays, it is because they are reducing gays down to the act of their sexuality. This is dehumanizing people and it is exactly what has been done to oppressed minority groups since the beginning of time. Because, you know, gays don’t laugh, work, live, love, and worship, all they do is *****, right? Also, the ones that use the bible to promote homophobia need to realize that that little book was used to justify slavery as well. Homophobia in our community is a tool of “The Man” who infiltrated our religion and society with his patriarchal views and *****ed us up right along with him, and WE CONTINUE TO FALL FOR IT. Wake up, people.
and thats why i love barak Obama.
I do not hate homosexuals. I love them. In fact I love them enough to care about their salvation. And for everyone that quotes
“Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother’s eye.”
Do you even know what it means”
if you did then you would realize that you are interpreting it incorrectly. And also how do you believe that 1 p*****age and ignore the others that specifically relate to the abomination that is homoness.
The wages of sin is death! You don’t believe because you dont want to believe. You don’t believe because youve been trained not to believe.
Question,
Why is it that everytime the issue of gay rights come up, people start comparing gay people to all kinds of disqusting things. What I find amazing is that when Miscegnation was an issue, racist White folks used the same arguments as to why Black and Whites should not be married. The reality of the situation is this: people are homophobic and the bible just so happen to mention it. People did not become homophobic b/c of the bible, they aleady were like that.
I woud sit here and present a logical argument as to why gays have rights, but for what? the irrational and illogical and hateful always get all the attention. Dont believe me? Well so many people here have made great post about accepting gays and one or two oppose, realize those are the one’s getting all the attention?
Regardless of people’s views of homosexuality, why are Black people constantly lumped together with them? Why can’t we put our interests and issues, upfront and single? Honestly, are they facing, as a group, crime, low education, drugs/drug dealings, poverty, black men blowing each other away, gangs, etc? Yes, the BLACK ones may be, but for the most part, homosexuals aren’t. Even a gay person has to admit, when it comes to housing, jobs, society in general, people don’t know you are gay unless that person tells it or looks stereotypical (butch or effeminate), but people DAMN SURE KNOW YOU ARE BLACK WHEN THEY SEE YOU.
“You’re seriously a fool. Those laws were changed BECAUSE THEY VIOLATED THE SPIRIT OF THE CONSTITUTION. ”
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You are the fool. The constitution wasn’t ratified until after the 3/5ths rule was agreed upon. So IT was in the spirit of the Constitution. Eventually the opinion of Society changed and then the law was changed.
@ the real jewel…
So since you are such a devote Christian, what the HELL are you doing on a gossip blog full of sin? did you come here to deliver us from evil, or to sit and laugh at other peoples lives, to judge, and so forth?
I accept homosexuals, just like i accept myself. I am no better than they are. What i don’t accept is the sin of homosexuality just like i do not accept my own sins.
it’s great that he feels that way, but he’s not gonna change anyones mind about gay rights! people feel the way the feel about things (positive or negitive), and a presidential canidate wont change that!
@ Da-Nyce-One
speak that truth!!!
they talk about us picking and choosing which p*****ages from the bible we choose to use and others we choose to ignore but it seems as if they do the same thing.
and btw, i do consider myself to be a Christian to those that think the supporters of homosexuals are hedonistic.
I tried to support Obama, but that is kind of like running Tiger Woods for President. He wants us to co-sign on other people’s plight, but at the same time pretends that nothing is happening in our world but superficial economic cause and effect. When Obama gets his head right I will come back to supporting him, or rather, I will put my support in overdrive. I don’t like Clinton at all, but she is at least telling better, stronger, and more convincing lies than Obama offers ‘truths’. Poor choices all around for my taste!!! Why must we be visible in supporting gay rights, which I do, without the benefit seeing gays actively and visibly denouncing racial disparity. Gay-black relations and democratic party-black relations have one thing in common. Blacks get little in return for their contributions. I want these relations to continue, albeit with equality of consideration.
I doubt he is going to change anyone’s minds about gays if they are deeple religious. I do believe we need to be more tolerant and their lifestyles. You can’t expect everyone to have the same ideals as you, but we are all humans at the end of the day and we all deserve respect.
I think many black folk forget that some pioneers in our community are/were LGBT and that there were heterosexual blacks who supported them and spoke on their behalf.
Langston Hughes a poet/novelist/playwright an icon of the Harlem Renaissance was gay. James Baldwin an author/essayist/civil rights activist was openly gay during the Civil Right Movement. Angela Davis a civil rights activist and friend of the Black Panthers came out as a lesbian in the late 90’s. Congresswoman Barbara Jordan a lesbian (although closeted) was one of the first black females in the House of Representatives. Bayard Rustin, a minister and civil rights activist worked closely with Martin Luther King (who was well aware of his friend’s homosexuality) as an adviser on non-violent strategies and tactics during the Movement. Lorraine Hansberry a bisexual playwright wrote the groundbreaking play “A Raisin in the Sun.” Alvin Ailey, a groundbreaking dancer who inspired and influenced many dancers was gay. Keith Boykin is a gay black man who fights against racism and homophobia. Jazz singer Billie Holiday was bisexual. Blues singer Bessie Smith was bisexual. Luther Vandross was gay, though closeted. Hollywood producer Lee Daniels is gay.
As for heterosexual blacks who often supported gay rights and spoke out against homophobia. Huey P. Newton criticized fellow BPP member Eldridge Cleaver for his homophobia and offered his support to gay rights groups. Coretta Scott King wrote a letter to Judy Shepherd (Matthew Shepherd’s mother) to offer her support in the fight against homophobia. Coretta Scott King also stated that the fight against homophobia should be included in the fight for equal rights and that Dr. King wanted rights for everyone. Dr. Michael Eric Dyson minister/author/professor has challenged the hip hop generation and black Christians on their homophobia. Al Sharpton has supported gays rights. Jesse Jackson has also supported gay rights (though not gay marriage). Cornel West has stood against homophobia. Rapper Common who has made homophobic rhymes in the past, made a song called “Between Me, You & Liberation” where he accepts his long time friend’s coming out the closet and his sexuality. Kanye West, has commented that he no longer holds harbors homophobic views after he found out his cousin is gay and challenged the hip hop generation to stop homophobia with in their communities. The Congressional Black Caucus has often voted against many homophobic laws the Republicans tried to p*****.
I think we as black folk only get to see white gays (Elton John, Ellen, T.R. Knight, Rock Hudson etc.) in the media, and their struggles against homophobia which makes many people sympathetic to their plight. We almost never hear or see anything about our gays unless it a flamboyant joke or a spouse cheating with the same sex. We also have to deal with the church with their old archaic views or the young Hip Hop generations sometimes false view of masculinity. Matthew Shepherd’s murder received worldwide attention while Sakia Gunn’s murder barely made a blip. Something needs to change.
Nothing will change because of course men on the DL swapping diseases and infecting their wives is MUCH healthier than being who you are, living an honest life and having a safe, healthy sex life. I’m not completely sure why men on the DL tend to not use condoms but that’s a topic for another day.
A round of applause is definitely due to Phoenix. I agree with you whole heartedly. The black community needs to open its eyes and accept one another; regardless of shade, status or sexuality.
It’s very interesting that when a gay person says they’re gay, we believe it. When it’s the reverse, straight to gay, it must be a lie. Why is one believable but not the other?
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It’s very interesting that when a straight person says they’re gay, we believe it. When it’s the reverse, gay to straight, it must be a lie. Why is one believable but not the other?
I can’t support his view that Blacks should support homosexuality. It is a sexual orientation. That’s like supporting *****. It is alos a sexual preference. If Donnie McClerkin said he was delivered from having those feelings why I dislike him? I’m happy for him because he wanted to be delivered from it. The homosexual community wants everyone to like them and support their lifestyle. They are so adament about their lifstyle that they have forced it on us through television, radio, fashion and culturally. Personally I am not in favor of the lifestyle however, if that’s your choice in the bedroom, more power to you. Don’t force me to like it though.
this is why i stop going to chutch despite my love for the lord. sometimes we want to do the job of God and judge others . wether im gay or a thief leave it to my lord to judge me.
If being homophobic is “basic black” then I’m sure as hell “upgraded black” because I’m down with the Lord, but I’m not down with the gay-bashing. Nuff said.
Not happenin’!
Go Clinton! I’m from Chicago and I’m not voting for this fool!
you folks saying ‘go clinton’ trip me out. do you really know what her politics are, or are you coasting on the fumes of her husband’s presidency and 80cent gasoline?
are you aware that hillary is a lot less forthright about her views on homosexuality than either Obama or Edwards? but that all three advocate civil unions but not gay marriage?
the organization which is trying to make this non-news a news item is rumored to be in Hillary Clinton’s pocket; Hillary needs the black vote, Obama was making inroads.. so what happens? all of a sudden misleading information about this Forum is sent out to the blogosphere and McClurkin’s parti*****tion in it, and Obama’s parti*****tion in it, all the while information about McClurkin’s having performed for the Clinton’s elevation as the Democratic nominee for president back in 1992 is curiously left out of all the branding as a ‘right wing ex-gay’.
this issue is being manipulated. meanwhile, among those gays who honestly are *frightened* (and I do mean FRIGHTENED) by McClurkin’s existence and message, there are a certain number of gays allowing their inner klansmen to come out — you should read some of the racist stuff out there towards christians and gospel music.
Follow the money: Hillary is behind this. And at the end of the day, she is not our friend.
ApplePucker wrote, “It’s very interesting that when a gay person says they’re gay, we believe it. When it’s the reverse, straight to gay, it must be a lie. Why is one believable but not the other?”
It’s more believeable that someone would admit to being part of a suppressed group, and thus voluntarily taking on the shackles of that group; than someone would admit to being part of an exalted group. I think McClurkin is struggling with himself, and with what happened to him. I think he’s bisexual, myself. But if he needed God to get through being raped by men at least twice while he was merely a child, then more power to him and God. No one else was there for him. Besides, to be gay and a black man is a double whammy white gays have no conception of and (given how white gays marginalize gays of color in the first place) don’t take seriously.
McClurkin was there for entertainment purposes. He says he’s an ex-gay. Gays really, really, REALLY need the gay gene theory to hang their hat on in order to more easily become accepted within mainstream society. Of course, what they don’t want folks to put two and two together about, is that that gay gene becomes a double-edged sword next to McClurkin’s talk about homosexuality as a disease.
McClurkin thinks that lust, and homosexuality, can be overcome through prayer and God. Obama believes that the black church needs to confront it’s hypocrisy regarding homosexuality and abstinence/birth control.
White folks just want a reason, any reason, not to vote for Obama. Hillary is nasty.
Just because your church believe in Gay marriage does not mean you have to.
Maybe he likes Donnie McClurkin’s music. It is not for us to judge. Gay people vote also. And everybody knows or has someone gay in their family and I do agree we need to stop acting like it does not exist. Our children are dying because they are sneaking and catching aids.
Black women are dying because these men are too afraid of what is going to happen if they come out and say they are gay. We have to stopped this foolishness.
You hate the sin not the sinner.
LetMeTellYa wrote, “Regardless of people’s views of homosexuality, why are Black people constantly lumped together with them? Why can’t we put our interests and issues, upfront and single? Honestly, are they facing, as a group, crime, low education, drugs/drug dealings, poverty, black men blowing each other away, gangs, etc? Yes, the BLACK ones may be, but for the most part, homosexuals aren’t. Even a gay person has to admit, when it comes to housing, jobs, society in general, people don’t know you are gay unless that person tells it or looks stereotypical (butch or effeminate), but people DAMN SURE KNOW YOU ARE BLACK WHEN THEY SEE YOU.”
Gold stamp it and plate it. Co-sign.
I am not saying that Barack Obama doesn’t support the gay community, but lets not be naive about the political aspect of his comments. As a poli sci major i realize that politicians will do and say almost anything to get votes, and the truth is that the gay community needs someone who will represent their interest!!! With that said I don’t agree with homosexuality, but at the same time I am not going to take away another individuals right to live their life even if I disagree!!! I don’t have think that homosexuality is okay anymore than the next man has think that it is wrong. This doesn’t mean I hate homosexuals either!!! That’s they beauty about living in the US were all entitled to our own opinions!!!
Peace
I’m glad Obama is refusing to allow these white racist punks try to ruin his gospel tour. Good for Obama for standing up to them. Obama has stated his view on gay rights. Just because Donnie is against gay rights does not mean that Obama should shun him. Obama is about bringing folks together, an if the white gays can’t get with that, to hell with them.
Go Obama!!!
I agree with everything in Obama’s quote. He’s getting my vote.
The fact that the black community is so homophobic is really sad. People are quick to throw that Bible around without being fully informed. So since you “christians” are so concerned about following the Bible, then you would know that in Leviticus (the ONLY book that maybe directly addresses homosexuality) it speaks out against eating shellfish, wearing two different fabrics together, offending your neighbor with smoke from your goat sacrifice, etc. Should you be denied basic human rights? After all, you ARE going against the Bible. Or is the Bible an outdated book that has been changed sooo many times throughout history? idk.
pathetic