BART Shooting Sparks Riot

sickofitt

1/8/09, 10:59:am

The bay area is off the chain right about now

SoSad

1/8/09, 11:00:am

Cops kill innocent people all the time, it’s about time someone did something about it…

Aunt Viv

1/8/09, 11:00:am

Whoa. Sean Bell, West Coast version. SMH.

sickofitt

1/8/09, 11:02:am

Did you see the video of this young man being murdered? That was cold blooded murder. Their was no reason for this cop to pull out his gun.

Mandah aka Cranberry Sauce.. when's it gon be four so i can clock out?

1/8/09, 11:04:am

it truly is the end of days…

NENE

1/8/09, 11:08:am

And rioting helps the situation hoooooooooooow??

Please stick to the peaceful protests. None of that Rodney King shyt please.

Special K

1/8/09, 11:10:am

We knew this was going to happen it was just a matter of time.

Kay

1/8/09, 11:16:am

Although I don’t really agree with the use of violence and destruction of property sometimes you have to act unruly to get that attention and results your looking for. I live in New Jersey and have yet to see this on the news and neither has my family…
Losing our brothers to street violence is enough but to lose them to those who are sworn to protect us all, is outrageous and miscarriage of justice.
Not to mention that this smells like pure *****. How was this “officer” allowed to resign? Is the life of a black man really worth that little that wont’ even have it APPEAR that they are seeking truth??

Leogirl

1/8/09, 11:22:am

This is why I am so afraid for my two sons…Black people need to wake up and start having some real talk about what is going on in our communities and around this country when it comes to the police and their perception of black men. Just because we have elected a black president doesn’t mean that the racial injustices of the past are not still with us today. And to white people who think that we have overcome…this is your wake-up call as well..until the police are held responsible for these continuous acts of violence, we will never be a United States of America!!! You cannot sit back and continue to acquit these officers on the basis that they are doing their jobs…at some you have to ask yourself would you think the same way if that was your son that was killed??

OL' PLAYER LOOKIN @$$ BOY

1/8/09, 11:23:am

20 yrs. later still… F*ck the Police

OL' PLAYER LOOKIN @$$ BOY

1/8/09, 11:26:am

Everybody go out and hug your local Cop Killer…they keep us safe.

pm

1/8/09, 11:28:am

They should have protested peacefully. Thats what the white man expected them to do, act like savages and burn ***** down and like true *****s they did it.

Doc

1/8/09, 11:29:am

@pm

Co-sign

NENE

1/8/09, 11:30:am

@ PM:

I agree for real. Don’t be out there acting up. Protest peacefully. Don’t at how they expect you to.

AKeys

1/8/09, 11:33:am

I am so disgusted by the media coverage of this
It’s like *****ody cares and we have to riot because we have to be heard no more We have to Shout No More. I pray for this mans Family *****ody deserves this I hope they keep going if I was out there i would Protest ( Sean Bell Oscar Grant) Never forget

dubya

1/8/09, 11:34:am

pm

They should have protested peacefully. Thats what the white man expected them to do, act like savages and burn ***** down and like true *****s they did it.
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so.true.

Soul Touch

1/8/09, 11:40:am

I hope they weren’t destroying the black community. I never understand why they don’t riot/loot other places then their own. Loot a Saks, Barneys, Dior, or even the business areas…make it hurt. Don’t hurt your own neighborhood.

sickofitt

1/8/09, 11:40:am

Burning up the city is not the right approach. If a young black man laying face down on the ground is a threat then A young black man with a lighter attempting to set a trash can on fire is going to catch about 18 rounds. They better stop these knuckleheads that are out their defeating the cause with this ignorant approach.

Check out the video on youtube. You can find it by searching the boys name Oscar Grant. They have video footage from two different angles. Sad Sad Sad.

ME

1/8/09, 11:43:am

Where is all this anger when a black man kills another black man. Why don’t we as blacks ever stand up then? You do know that black men kill more black men than cops kill black men. Do you know how many unarmed black men other black men have killed? Why do we only get angry when its a white cop? Is a black life not of value until its taken by a white cop?

Now I’m just as angry as the next person that this young man is dead but come on now people. Lets get just as angry when the black man is out there killing his own.

ME

1/8/09, 11:46:am

And really which is truly sadder and needs more attention the few occasions that a white cop kills a black man or the many times a night the black man kills other black men?

Lady Architect ( Still Sore From The Personal Training)

1/8/09, 11:46:am

This is crazy and I don’t even know what to think. This type of protesting just gives officers more means of killing, but at the same time it seems like even if you are innocent you still have the opportunity to be killed by officers these days. It feels like a lose lose situation. We so busy worrying about “Iraqi” freedom and secretly protecting the oil that we steal more than American freedom.All this about innocent people being killed there yet America has it’s own problems with this cult of officers killing. Seems like more officers kill innocent people rather than catch killers, rapists, school shooters, etc.

mild sauce part of the sauce family tradition

1/8/09, 11:47:am

folks tired of that shyt thats why they did it, the Police are acting like savages with badges so whats the difference. The boy was not armed that was unnecessary what that officer did.. Oakland better get like Detroit and Chicago with they shyt!

Soul Touch

1/8/09, 11:48:am

@Me

We should get angry eitherway..a life is a life. BUT a police officer is suppose to ‘Protect and Serve’, that’s the difference. The uniform itself is suppose to represent a form of safety and security.

12345

1/8/09, 11:49:am

i agree that peaceful demonstration would be better, but at the same time i cant blame them for acting out. this whole incident makes my stomach hurt. i am a white person, and i am so ashamed that there are people out there that feel they have the right to take a young, innocent, black fathers life. i am praying that cop gets life in prison. the justice system must hold this man accountable, and not only him, but the other cops that were holding the man down too…. i am seriously sick over this… in 2009! its a dam shame

pm

1/8/09, 11:50:am

@Soul Touch. They destroy the black community or “inner city” cus they don’t own the *****. Government houseing, asain owned liquor stores. They don’t do that in the suburbs

mild sauce part of the sauce family tradition

1/8/09, 11:50:am

We do get just as angry as when the black man kills his own but the Police are paid to serve and protect (with taxpayers $) i might add and that was un-called for! Dont act likw whites dont kill their own either , some are killed for the insurance money especially the white wife, some kill their parents for insurance money so dont act like its just a black thing damn!

mild sauce part of the sauce family tradition

1/8/09, 11:52:am

Right me and my girl was in the mall and this Asian lady tried to sell my girl a cheap knock-off fake looking gucci purse, we saw her later in the restaurant and she was rockong a real LV purse and trying to sell black women that fake cheap azz mess!

NOELLE

1/8/09, 11:52:am

Ok, is this the same guy that had on the balck hat??? He was such a nice looking gentlemen..remind me to never venture out west….I never was..but I mean you know how white people are.

MWNY

1/8/09, 11:53:am

What happened to the non violent type of protesting. This is so sad and I think the cop should be punished however, lets not forgot about all the black on black crime that happens daily. I don’t see anyone bringing that up on blogs, where is the NAACP, Al and Jesse when black men are killing their brothers? I live in Dallas and a black guy who doesn’t have a record at all made the biggest mistake of his life by killing a local well known police officer in South Dallas or Dallas area. They weren’t even looking for him. So, we have a black man who was killed at the hands of a white cop and a white cop who was killed at the hands of a black man. Is one event greater than the other?

Illuminate Truth

1/8/09, 11:54:am

I said it before, I’ll say it again. The murder of this Brotha at the hands of the police is unacceptable and needs to be addressed………but if you are NOT going to acceept this and protest (peacefully or not), yet stand by and accept Brothas dying at the hands of Brothas, then you don’t get it. If we somehow remove incidents like this from society we will still be dying off in record numbers. By all means, this incident was beyond tragic and in no way should we stand by and allow it without demanding action……….but why do we allow ourselves to do the same thing this cop did without the same outcry? Shouldn’t we demand the same of ourselves than we expect of an overseer?

ME

1/8/09, 11:54:am

@Me

We should get angry eitherway..a life is a life. BUT a police officer is suppose to ‘Protect and Serve’, that’s the difference. The uniform itself is suppose to represent a form of safety and security.
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I may hear about an incident like this once or twice a year. Do you know how often I hear about black men killing other black men?? DAILY!! DAILY DAILY DAILY!! I just think out priorities are all messed up. This cop will get his. God doesn’t like ugly. But the selectiveness upsets me. Now if this guy had been shot by anotehr black guy there would be no protesting. You’d probably struggle to find a witness even willing to speak to the cops. You know how we as black people like to “mind our business” and “don’t want any trouble”. But the minute its a white cop who takes a black man’s life and everyone and their mother wants to talk and has it on tape too and I think thats sad..

mild sauce part of the sauce family tradition

1/8/09, 11:55:am

Soul touch… see you and i said the same thing and commented and then read your post afterwards and we were saying the same thing. Police are paid to serve and protect, when you have a person handcuffed what the f–k is the reason for beatin them.. How the hell you gonna take a life you aint God.. karma will get those mo fos believe that!

Lady Architect ( Still Sore From The Personal Training)

1/8/09, 11:57:am

ME,
This is the sad part that divides the black community. There’s plenty of events and marches and things that go on against violence in black neighborhoods. I’ve been to some of the events whether it’s a block party or a free concert in the park to stop violence. Thing is these events are never publicized on national TV. They only enjoy showing us as fools, thugs, and savages. In fact there’s a series of concerts every summer in New York City in black communities to talk about violence and protest against it, but you would never know about it. The media wasn’t even gonna show the innocent man being killed until people started releasing their camera phone videos showing the truth. Also there are plenty of people who are witnesses to crimes that often report and nothing gets done along with no protection for the witness. In Jersey a whole family was killed because the son saw a crime and reported it as a witness. The felon had some other people come and kill everyone during a holiday event including the grandparents, parents, brothers, sisters, and niece. It was a m*****acre. You know they never publicized it outside of Jersey local news?

mild sauce part of the sauce family tradition

1/8/09, 11:57:am

No i dont think its only blacks get mad when the white cops take a young black mans life.. wasnt Sean Bells killer a black cop.. its bad either way so dont try to make it like we only get mad about white cops! Its all damn crooked azz cops black or white or latin what the hell ever.. that mess was wrong!

ME

1/8/09, 11:59:am

We do get just as angry as when the black man kills his own but the Police are paid to serve and protect (with taxpayers $) i might add and that was un-called for! Dont act likw whites dont kill their own either , some are killed for the insurance money especially the white wife, some kill their parents for insurance money so dont act like its just a black thing damn!
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Are you denying anything that I just said? Are you denying that many many more black men die at the hands of other black men than at the hands of white cops? I never said other races don’t kill their own but do they kill their own in the numbers that the black man does? This isn’t about how other races kill their own. This is about black people ready to raise the roof when a white cop kills a black man but will actively stay out of anything to do with a black man killing another black man. It’s wrong. We need to value a lost black life equally not just when it can be turned into a race card baiting game.

circa-81

1/8/09, 12:01:pm

Eye for an eye. Peace talks are not always effective. NY should’ve done the same thing behind the Shawn Bell murder. I’m not saying all cops are the same way but when murder is just swept under the rug that is a blatant oppressive and racist statement. It’s no coincidence that there is an increase of people shooting back at the police. Bob Marley’s “War” is playing in my head backed-up by Peter Tosh’s and Bob’s “400 Year’s.”

pm

1/8/09, 12:01:pm

The family of the victim going after 25mil will send a stronger message to these crooked ***** police departments then burning down city hall and proving to them that blacks are the enemy.

ME

1/8/09, 12:03:pm

@ Lady Arthitect:

The fact still remains that we will go out and act up when its a white who took the life but will do nothing or very little when its a black man taking lives. Why not march and protest just as heart felt as these people did yesterday?

JK

1/8/09, 12:06:pm

@PM

I agree a more peaceful protest should have been held. However, would that have gotten as much coverage or attention to the issue at hand. It seems like sometimes the only way black people can be heard is when the act a damn fool. It’s sad but sometimes very true.

12345

1/8/09, 12:06:pm

@ pm, i dont think the money thing will send a stronger message to these cops, i mean think about it, that 25mil is coming from the city aka taxpayers, its not coming directly out of the cops paycheck

circa-81

1/8/09, 12:08:pm

@ Me

Maybe because we have been victim’s to this type of behavior for four centuries. I’m not saying that you don’t make a valid point but your approach is political at best; instead of proactively focusing on the current situation you are sidetracking to something else. But like I said you do make a valid point.

Lady Architect ( Still Sore From The Personal Training)

1/8/09, 12:08:pm

ME

@ Lady Arthitect:

The fact still remains that we will go out and act up when its a white who took the life but will do nothing or very little when its a black man taking lives. Why not march and protest just as heart felt as these people did yesterday?
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No it’s no fact. As I said you are going based off what the media publicizes and the lack of what you know. If you don’t know about protests and things then just say you don’t know or haven’t heard of anything being done. Fact is as I said earlier there are lots being done that the media never shows. So you can’t say it is factual that blk ppl do nothing about blk on blk crime. Just say you haven’t heard of anything. Also the alarming numbers you are talking about were taken by whom? Get your personal experiences and please stop depending on the media predomintaely to give you statistics and “factual” things going on in the black community.

Illuminate Truth

1/8/09, 12:09:pm

“We do get just as angry as when the black man kills his own but the Police are paid to serve and protect (with taxpayers $) i might add and that was un-called for! Dont act likw whites dont kill their own either , some are killed for the insurance money especially the white wife, some kill their parents for insurance money so dont act like its just a black thing damn!”

W*****up Mild

I know exactly where you coming from but I have to disagree with you about getting as upset about us killing ourselves as we do when there is a cop involved. Yeah, they are supposed to serve and protect (on our dollar none the less), but we both know better. We both know how our neighborhoods are policed and how we are criminalized based on perception. I guess what I’m leading to is the fact that we both damn near expect this. I just think that because of the way we have been programmed to think, we can love or hate the enemy, but we are indifferent when it comes to ourselves…..all our p*****ion is misplaced.

pm

1/8/09, 12:14:pm

@12345 true, but with taxpayers footin the bill, come city election time,look for a new chief of police, district attorney, Mayor thats how your make changes.

ME

1/8/09, 12:16:pm

No it’s no fact. As I said you are going based off what the media publicizes and the lack of what you know. If you don’t know about protests and things then just say you don’t know or haven’t heard of anything being done. Fact is as I said earlier there are lots being done that the media never shows. So you can’t say it is factual that blk ppl do nothing about blk on blk crime. Just say you haven’t heard of anything. Also the alarming numbers you are talking about were taken by whom? Get your personal experiences and please stop depending on the media predomintaely to give you statistics and “factual” things going on in the black community.
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You are clearly speaking from the anger of the black man being asked to answer to killing more of his own than anyone else including white cops do. I don’t know why this would upset you but to each his own. You know full well the alarming numbers I am talking about. The black man kills more of his own that anyone else kill of his own. Yeah a concert in Central park is good. A black party is a start but why no off the hook protests like what comes out when its a white cop guilty of the crime? Listen you approach things how you want to and I wil lapproach things how I want to. I happen to think its pretty sad when the thought of someone else killing a black man can drive black people to violence but the killing of a black man by his own is water under the bridge or business as usual.

Lady Architect ( Still Sore From The Personal Training)

1/8/09, 12:16:pm

On top of that people who complain about what black ppl are doing in their communities…ask that of yourself. What are you doing in your community? How are you helping or standing up against black on black crime? If you have no answers then you are just as guilty of doing nothing as the people you talk about.

pm

1/8/09, 12:17:pm

@JK.. lol I agree with u sometimes you got to let that inner ***** come out and play every now and then to get the message across.

sickofitt

1/8/09, 12:17:pm

@ME in both scenarios it such a sick sad world we are living in. A life can be taken for any reason or for nothing at all. I tend to tune into the show the First 48 hours. Talk about senseless murders. Men killing for absolutely nothing. What happened to the value of life

SIDEWAYZ

1/8/09, 12:18:pm

IM A BAY AREA CAT AND WITNESSED WHAT WENT DOWN LAST NIGHT. APPROXIMATELY 300-400 PEOPLE ASCENDED UPON DOWN TOWN OAKLAND PROTESTING THE SHOOTING OF THE YOUNG BLACK BROTHA OSCAR GRANT. THE MAYOR OF OAKLAND,RON DELLUMS, CAME OUT AND TALKED TO CROWD ON 14THST. HE WAS MET WITH BOOS AS HE ASKED US TO BE PATIENT AND PEACEFUL AS IT WILL TKAE TIMJE FOR THE INVESTIGATION TO BE COMPLETED. 35 OFFICERS ARRIVER AT 14TH ST IN RIOT GEAR ALONG WITH THE PADDY WAGON. THE MAYOR HAD THE CROWD FOLLOW HIM TO CITY HALL WHRE HE GAVE A SHORT SPEECH WHICH WAS A BUNCH OF B.S. THE CROWD LEFT IN ANGER AND BROKE A FEW WINDOWS OF LOCAL BUSINESSES AND SET A FEW CAR ON FIRE.

12345

1/8/09, 12:20:pm

@ pm…. great point
i hope we as young people really start to get involved, i mean, the generations before us had so much organization, but now, its like we have to fight with our peers to get them to choose between being a criminal or an activist, and its sad that most of the youth think bein a hustla or thug is cooler. smdh

MissNee

1/8/09, 12:21:pm

I was out there last night and I can understand the anger, but do not justify our own brothers attacking us in the streets. How dare you attack the brother in the cab! He’s not working against you. How dare you hit up the muslim bakery, the african braid shop!

Way to prove your point. You are a sore on this community and are not helping anyone progress by attacking your own.

12345

1/8/09, 12:23:pm

@ sickofit…. cosign cosign cosign!!! people need to respect life, i think people dont even think life is precious anymore, someone can get killed over some sneakers, or for a ego boost… so sad

Lady Architect ( Still Sore From The Personal Training)

1/8/09, 12:25:pm

ME,
I’m not upset so please kill your *****umptions. You are speaking from the point of a person who is very out of touch or takes no part in what goes in the black community. I am speaking from a person that does take part and does attend events and does volunteer for programs. I think it is very obnoxious to just say a block party and concert in the park is just a start. That goes to show how out of touch you really are to not know that there is a huge process you go through to get these events started without police shutting it down. On top of that how many of these block parties or concerts or minor events have you attended? How many have you started? How many flyers have you handed out for these events? How many people did you spread the word to at work? How many times have you even searched the internet to look for the types of events? You sound just like the people you are complaining. If you do nothing then don’t speak nothing. As just to let you know the march for Sean Bell was done for a case of a minority officer killing.

dubya

1/8/09, 12:26:pm

Can someone fill me in on how this was racist? Judging from the video I saw, I can’t conclude racism. I can see accidental due to a whole slew of cir*****stances such as agitated environment, accidental gun discharge, grabbing for the wrong weapon.

What makes you all conclude racism?

Just curious.

ME

1/8/09, 12:27:pm

On top of that people who complain about what black ppl are doing in their communities…ask that of yourself. What are you doing in your community? How are you helping or standing up against black on black crime? If you have no answers then you are just as guilty of doing nothing as the people you talk about.
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Oh whenever there is something in my community which we usually have when children are the victims of this thug violence I parti*****te everytime. If I witness something and the cops ask me I tell it and I tell the truth.

But are you really getting offended because I am questioning why blacks don’t get just as angry if not more when its black on black murder? Why does it seem like you are upset? You aren’t doing anything right now but proving the point I am trying to make. You are gunho for a protest against the white cop but being asked just to question why we don’t get just as angry when its among our own brings out anger in you. Thats not helping our race at all. Its time to hold the black mans life important no matter who takes it and there are many more black men taking lives. A black man all around this country stands a much better chance of being killed by one of his own than a cop regardless of the cops color and we all know that.

Lady Architect ( Still Sore From The Personal Training)

1/8/09, 12:28:pm

dubya,
I don’t think racism is the issue at hand here. People are making it an issue for no reason. The issue here is abuse of power. That’s what I see point blank.

Sepiastar

1/8/09, 12:29:pm

Most of you seem more concerned with the perception of Blacks rioting versus the *****ault on Blacks by the police. Are you that concerned with whites perception of you versus demonstrating that YES – we’re angry and tired of violence in our communities? The irony is this type of behavior does not occur between young white males and the police and the rationale is simple. The white community would NOT tolerate police misconduct and ensure the officers are held accountable and they would be willing to fight for it. H*ll, they rioted over Proposition 8 and I can’t recall any posts or responses on the political sites – Huffington Post, Democratic Underground, Politico, etc. complaining because of the rioting – and no the riots were not PEACEFUL marching. Citizens riot all over the world when they are angry, yet, it’s a crime for Blacks to riot because of injustices.

Blacks need to move beyond this appeasement mentality and realize that all expressions of discontent are not peaceful. Sometimes you need to be drastic to reflect that police brutality is a crisis in our community that must be addressed.

Young football star in Mississippi killed by a Sheriff (and tried to state the man committed suicide), numerous killings of young black men in Jacksonville, FL that the news don’t even cover yet I see coverage of Caylee Anthony DAILY, and how many articles have we seen about the police brutality in New Orleans, LA.

New Yorkers were peaceful with the Sean Bell , Amadou Diallo, Abner Louima, and many other horrific incidents of police misconduct and what was the outcome? Nothing but baseless civil suits.

As some of you stated, why are we not concerned with Black on Black violence? Yes, this is an issue but that doesn’t excuse the police that we pay to protect and serve our communities to brutalize us also.

The real issue is Blacks are afraid to fight for respect (unless we’re fighting each other). You want respect and this holier than thou perception of the race but you’re too complacent and afraid to fight for it and until that happens, the cycle continues. You will never win a war when you don’t know your enemy and you’re too afraid to fight.

ME

1/8/09, 12:30:pm

Can someone fill me in on how this was racist? Judging from the video I saw, I can’t conclude racism. I can see accidental due to a whole slew of cir*****stances such as agitated environment, accidental gun discharge, grabbing for the wrong weapon.

What makes you all conclude racism?

Just curious.
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@ Dubya:

Thats a very good question. I don’t see color either. I see a cop shooting an unarmed man and thats what other blacks need to start seeing instead of making everything a black and white race battle. This is the very point i am trying to raise when I ask why not get just as upset when its a black man killing other black men? If you’re not going to see color then then why go out of your way to see it now?

BE

1/8/09, 12:30:pm

It has been protests like this and peaceful ones that will allow change to come. I am not for destroying property but if you have lived in an inner community you know that this is just one of a long list of what has gone on in this community.

Sometimes peaceful demostrations are seen as a p*****ive attempt and treated as such this is why the Black Pnathes started. We no longer have those type of organizations so people handle it the best way they know how.

I mean where are our leaders to organize? Perhaps if someone had stood up..NAACP, Action Network etc this could have been prevented. The people in that community feel like they where being overlooked and so they took action.

Thizzlamic Nation

1/8/09, 12:33:pm

Evidence shows that the BART police officer gun shot ricochet off of the cement & hit the man, people need to check their facts before acting out. The case might not even go to court because of all the Youtube videos as evidence. It was a sad day for the Bay Area, but these *****s shouldn’t have been drunk partying on new years & fighting on the BART. and cooperating with the police who where trying to sort things out. and it was BART police who did the shooting don’t go blaming Oakland Police & Rioting in Oakland, Oscar Grant was from Hayward.

NewOrleans

1/8/09, 12:34:pm

this is not the way to “get back at the police”!! the police are gonna have a field day with these *****ers!! then they are gonna have a reason to kill people, and then what?? “well i was only smashing windows of innocent businesses and throwing bottles at people’s heads”..SMH…

BE

1/8/09, 12:35:pm

@Dubya – Can someone fill me in on how this was racist? Judging from the video I saw, I can’t conclude racism. I can see accidental due to a whole slew of cir*****stances such as agitated environment, accidental gun discharge, grabbing for the wrong weapon.

What makes you all conclude racism?

Just curious.

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Maybe racist is not the right word but I would say institutionalized racism. Where it is such a normal act for those who have power to mistreat a group of people that the laws that have been p*****ed no longer pertain to those people. The practices of the group will no longer fit the law but the perception of those individuals.

GORRILLAMACK

1/8/09, 12:35:pm

The Bay don’t play. I’m a Bay area native living in D.C. I wish I was there right now.

ME

1/8/09, 12:37:pm

@ Sepiastar:

All I am asking is why not with the same anger? Why not approach the black man killing his own in record number the same way? Haven’t you sat back and watched that long enough too?

I’m sorry. I just refuse to make this a black and white battle. Its wrong that an unarmed man is dead period. Everything is not black and white. This is a cop who needs to answer to shooting an unarmed man. For me personally everytime race if brought into it the first thing I am going to see from a race prospect is that the black man kills more of his own than anyone else could dream of. I will not see this cops race without seeing the race of the man who is out there killing his own nightly.

dubya

1/8/09, 12:38:pm

Lady Architect ( Still Sore From The Personal Training)

dubya,
I don’t think racism is the issue at hand here. People are making it an issue for no reason. The issue here is abuse of power. That’s what I see point blank.

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I agree with you here. I listened to some of the comments both here on bossip (and noticed the kkk label it has this post under) and in the media and I get the sense that people are making this a racial incident. I saw a terrible ending to a terrible set of events, but to make it a racial incident is not a good look.

BLESSED

1/8/09, 12:39:pm

NO JUSTIC, NO PEACE!!!

dubya

1/8/09, 12:41:pm

@ME,

I get where you are coming from. I really do.

@Be
I see your point about institutionalized racism, but it seems as if we, too, are institutionalized to see it even when it may not be there.

Sepiastar

1/8/09, 12:42:pm

@Be

You asked the questions: Where are our leaders to organize?

The leaders are here, where are the followers? We complain about Rev Sharpton, Minister Farrakhan, Rev Jackson, and anyone else that attempt to *****ist inner city communities, until we need them. We stay more concerned with their personal lives and some of us actually degrade them – Messy Jessie, Permed Up Al, et and we *****ume what they do or don’t do instead of focusing on the leadership they provide when a crisis occurs.

Where are the black professionals and blue collar workers that should be investing time to develop strategies to combat this issue? Where are the attorneys to devise provide legal advise to address police brutality. We don’t donate to the organizations you listed, we don’t sacrifice our time and energy to support issues affecting our communities and the moment a tragedy occurs, we’re looking for someone else to step up. We have our jobs, homes, and our cars and unless it happens to us, it’s not an issue of our concern.

OL' PLAYER LOOKIN @$$ BOY

1/8/09, 12:42:pm

@ ME The cops are to protect and serve, that simple. For all who want to justify what the cop did by saying black kill other blacks all the time are some dumb ***** and its sad your mom didnt abort yo ignorant ***** before you got here. Forget the guy was black he’s still human and what the cop did was wrong by all accounts and even according to other police officers he did not follow procedures to initiate deadly force, IT STILL TRIPS ME OUT HOW SO MANY WANNA BE PSUDO-INTELLECTUAL *****S CANT SEE THE COP WAS WRONG, for trying to make it a Racial issue where they defend the cop…@ ME I expect *****s to kill *****s thats what they do -But I hold cops to a different standard since our taxes pay them. And there is no such thing as Black on Black crime it is simply this man killed that one puttting the color divide in it is pointless cause at the end of the day were all people but cops are state officals we can hold them accountable it our job! But you know you can’t hold *****s accountable for *****… so your argument is just crapp leave it alone or reach deeper homegirl,

HF

1/8/09, 12:43:pm

ME

I never said other races don’t kill their own but do they kill their own in the numbers that the black man does?
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In the case of white men, no they don’t. They kill each other MORE than black men do- only they tend not 2 b prosecuted 4 it as often.

And yeah, I am as outraged over this as I am about Sean Bell (murdered by a BLACK cop)

And I am as outraged by this as I am when ignant supposed “bruthaz” do this 2 each other.

It’s ALWAYS open season on black men.

Lady Architect ( Still Sore From The Personal Training)

1/8/09, 12:43:pm

ME,
What are you seriously talking about? I’m starting to think you don’t read my entire comment you just copy a piece of it and go off rambling. Where in any of my comments have you seen me say I approve of what they are doing? Please copy and paste that for me. I’m offended by you automatically *****uming that blacks do nothing because you don’t see it on your tv. Please reread your own posts because not only did you question it, but you also followed it with an *****umption, which is what most of your comments are concerned with. We have been questioning for years why things aren’t done in the blk community. When are we gonna stop questioning and start doing. Your questioning was irrelevant in the first place. IT’s easy to question, but as I’ve said before and will repeat it for the last time: Those who question should ask themselves the same questions. It’s great that you go to events and I applaud you for that. So what’s your next step? Just going to an event in your own words “is just a start” You’re constantly questioning without doing is what’s not helping our race at all. At this point why even question, just do. You already know what’s going on so what are YOU going to do about it? Questions do nothing. I can write a whole book filled with questions, but if I’m sitting on my tail how does that help exactly?

dubya

1/8/09, 12:44:pm

Sepiastar

@Be

You asked the questions: Where are our leaders to organize?

The leaders are here, where are the followers? We complain about Rev Sharpton, Minister Farrakhan, Rev Jackson, and anyone else that attempt to *****ist inner city communities, until we need them. We stay more concerned with their personal lives and some of us actually degrade them – Messy Jessie, Permed Up Al, et and we *****ume what they do or don’t do instead of focusing on the leadership they provide when a crisis occurs.

Where are the black professionals and blue collar workers that should be investing time to develop strategies to combat this issue? Where are the attorneys to devise provide legal advise to address police brutality. We don’t donate to the organizations you listed, we don’t sacrifice our time and energy to support issues affecting our communities and the moment a tragedy occurs, we’re looking for someone else to step up. We have our jobs, homes, and our cars and unless it happens to us, it’s not an issue of our concern.
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Amen, very well said.

HF

1/8/09, 12:47:pm

dubya

Can someone fill me in on how this was racist? Judging from the video I saw, I can’t conclude racism. I can see accidental due to a whole slew of cir*****stances such as agitated environment, accidental gun discharge, grabbing for the wrong weapon.

What makes you all conclude racism?

Just curious.
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Victim with his face in the ground and a cop’s knee on his neck = black

Cop standing over said victim who drew his weapon and fired into victim’s back = white.

Any more questions?

ME

1/8/09, 12:49:pm

“The leaders are here, where are the followers? We complain about Rev Sharpton, Minister Farrakhan, Rev Jackson, and anyone else that attempt to *****ist inner city communities, until we need them. We stay more concerned with their personal lives and some of us actually degrade them – Messy Jessie, Permed Up Al, et and we *****ume what they do or don’t do instead of focusing on the leadership they provide when a crisis occurs.
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And just to add this really quick the black man is making it very hard for the Jesse’s or Al’s to stand up for him. If you stop and think about it the last few things these men stepped up for in support of the wrong being done to the black man blew up in their faces. Look at those little *****s in Jena and how Al marched for them. What did they do? embarr*****ed the hell out of us and are still in a number of crimes today. Jesse and Al got all up in arms over Sean Bell. Did it not come out afterwards that Sean Bells friends were taunting those cops claiming to have something in their car adn even started reaching under the seat prompting the white shootout? Its starting not to be lucrative for these men to step up for black men. They often end up losing credibility.

Sepiastar

1/8/09, 12:50:pm

@ME
Yes, an unarmed man has been murdered by the police but you must be realistic and rationalize that the number of blacks and Hispanics killed by the police versus other races is disproportionately high. This topic has been investigated and written about by even Black Officers. It’s simple to respond that an unarmed victim was killed senselessly by the cops but this is happening across the United States and the victims are of Black descent the majority of the time unless you factor in Hispanics and the ratio increases to 9 out of 10 times.

It would be a wonderful world if we could all conclude that racism does not play a role in these tragedies, but unfortunately, we can’t. If that’s the rationale, then explain why the incidents rarely involve white males?

ME

1/8/09, 12:51:pm

Victim with his face in the ground and a cop’s knee on his neck = black

Cop standing over said victim who drew his weapon and fired into victim’s back = white.

Any more questions?
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I’m still not seeing how it becomes racist. Are you claiming this cop deliberately set out to shoot him a n!gga? Stop it. I am not saying the guy shouldn’t answer to what he has done. He needs to go to jail but stop with the race card. You don’t want it played when you’re out there kissing white booty namely Beckie’s white booty, so stop it now.

dubya

1/8/09, 12:53:pm

HF

dubya

Can someone fill me in on how this was racist? Judging from the video I saw, I can’t conclude racism. I can see accidental due to a whole slew of cir*****stances such as agitated environment, accidental gun discharge, grabbing for the wrong weapon.

What makes you all conclude racism?

Just curious.
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Victim with his face in the ground and a cop’s knee on his neck = black

Cop standing over said victim who drew his weapon and fired into victim’s back = white.

Any more questions?
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Yes, why did you just *****ume away the reasons why this cop had to subdue the “victim”? why did the gun discharge?, was the gun aimed at the victim? did the gun ricochet off of the concrete and hit the victim? Was the cop intending to kill this guy? Is this cop a racist?

By your reasoning, anytime a white cop tries to subdue an unruly black guy, he’s being racist?

The cop CLEARLY made a mistake, to say it’s racist without having some inside information on the psyche of the cop, is irrational.

ME

1/8/09, 12:54:pm

It would be a wonderful world if we could all conclude that racism does not play a role in these tragedies, but unfortunately, we can’t. If that’s the rationale, then explain why the incidents rarely involve white males?
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@ Sepiastar:

Are you really going to make me explain why this happens to black men more than white men? Do I really need to go into who is more of a threat in a situation like the one those cops were called to that night? Do I really need to go into the crime and violence stats?

BE

1/8/09, 12:54:pm

@Sepiastar – Where are the black professionals and blue collar workers that should be investing time to develop strategies to combat this issue? Where are the attorneys to devise provide legal advise to address police brutality. We don’t donate to the organizations you listed, we don’t sacrifice our time and energy to support issues affecting our communities and the moment a tragedy occurs, we’re looking for someone else to step up. We have our jobs, homes, and our cars and unless it happens to us, it’s not an issue of our concern.
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This is true too but there has to also be leaders in the community..maybe not the famous ones but the local NAACP to organize the followers.

I am not sure if we are waiting for others to step up but we have become complacent as a people. Some may feel like they are the only ones fighting, others think that it is hopeless because nothing changes and some others think things never change.

It was a time when these political issues where discussed openly and honestly but now people are afraid to talk because maybe they may lose their material stuff.

I have witnessed a strong black union at my job almost die out over the past 10 years due to complacency.

OL' PLAYER LOOKIN @$$ BOY

1/8/09, 12:58:pm

What’s wrong with Beckies booty?

ME

1/8/09, 12:59:pm

Yes, an unarmed man has been murdered by the police but you must be realistic and rationalize that the number of blacks and Hispanics killed by the police versus other races is disproportionately high. This topic has been investigated and written about by even Black Officers. It’s simple to respond that an unarmed victim was killed senselessly by the cops but this is happening across the United States and the victims are of Black descent the majority of the time unless you factor in Hispanics and the ratio increases to 9 out of 10 times.
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Maybe its time for the black man to stop cornering the violence market so much. He wouldn’t be seen as a threat is he didn’t so often present himself as a threat. Again these cops are not waking up in the morning saying ‘umma get me a n!gger today’. Black men play just a big a role in how they are perceived in scary situations.

BE

1/8/09, 13:02:pm

@dubya – I see your point about institutionalized racism, but it seems as if we, too, are institutionalized to see it even when it may not be there.
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I do agree that often times we are compelled to expect the worst. This is partially because it has become the norm. Many cops everywhere do not respect black people no matter what you are doing, your career or anything else. Now having only seen the one tape and clips on the news I do beleive that the cops just felt like they had to shoot because the people where black.

Many times I watch hockey games and baseball games and the people are drunk jumping on cars but no one gets shot. Now these men may not have been doing the right thing but they do not deserve to be killed.

HF

1/8/09, 13:04:pm

ME

I’m still not seeing how it becomes racist. Are you claiming this cop deliberately set out to shoot him a n!gga? Stop it. I am not saying the guy shouldn’t answer to what he has done. He needs to go to jail but stop with the race card. You don’t want it played when you’re out there kissing white booty namely Beckie’s white booty, so stop it now.
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BZZZT!!! U can miss me with that, SMDH, I mean, ME. It’s a big ***** difference between grown ***** people dating and *****ing whoever they want -legal since 1967 last time I checked- and cops who cross the line. Like I said, Sean Bell was killed by a BLACK cop and should have also suffered the repurcussions of his actions. So ********** a race card.

There were non-black dudes lined up against that wall, and the brutha was the only 1 who wound up dead.

co-incidence? I don’t think so…

When ignant black men do ignant *****, I call that out as well.

jefe

1/8/09, 13:04:pm

you know, his cousin said it best at his wake… Oscar’s daughter needs POSITIVE BLACK MEN roaming the streets, not more violence.

Although we may all have our own ideas and interpretations of what happened, setting fire to people’s houses and breakin windows will not fix anything, only more innocent people are being hurt in this.

If the officer gets off, then we take the streets.

ME

1/8/09, 13:05:pm

What’s wrong with Beckies booty?
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LOL. Nothing is wrong with Beckie’s booty but there is something wrong with demanding that noone see color when it comes to loving Beckie but jump right into race baiting when a cop shoots a black man. I am offending by the selective colorblindness.

OL' PLAYER LOOKIN @$$ BOY

1/8/09, 13:06:pm

COPS say the only difference between a Black Men and a *****s is their actions, does anyone bloging agree…

Sepiastar

1/8/09, 13:07:pm

@ME
Violence is in many communities, not just black communities. Yes, you can state statistics and we can also state the statistics concerning police brutality and racial profiling. The problem is a police officer does not have the liberty to exhibit prejudice and judge a person by their race because of the actions of someone else in the same race. What you’re using as your justification is discrimination? Can you statistically state how many police officers have been killed in the line of duty by young black men since you’re implying that the reason they’re targeted is because they’re such a threat to the police?

bay1

1/8/09, 13:07:pm

FYI: The BART police DID in fact shoot the victim – the bullet went through his body first – then ricocheted off the concrete and collapsed his lung. It is not about race – it’s about the abuse of power and the fact that it seems as though black life has no value to the rest of the world.

dubya

1/8/09, 13:10:pm

jefe

you know, his cousin said it best at his wake… Oscar’s daughter needs POSITIVE BLACK MEN roaming the streets, not more violence.
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what irony.

ME

1/8/09, 13:13:pm

BZZZT!!! U can miss me with that, SMDH, I mean, ME. It’s a big ***** difference between grown ***** people dating and *****ing whoever they want -legal since 1967 last time I checked- and cops who cross the line. Like I said, Sean Bell was killed by a BLACK cop and should have also suffered the repurcussions of his actions. So ********** a race card.

There were non-black dudes lined up against that wall, and the brutha was the only 1 who wound up dead.

co-incidence? I don’t think so…

When ignant black men do ignant *****, I call that out as well.
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Here come the insults. First of all I think you know I am not SMDH. I do not go for all that ranting and raving and coon garbage. I have been a member of this board since the beginning of last year and I know if you have been a member for a while you have seen me post here before. Dont start accusing me of being people because you can’t make me see things the way you do. I don’t need to pretend to be SMDH and by the way she runs through here handing punks their butts I dont’ think she needs to pretend to be me. Grow up and talk to me like an adult or don’t address me at all please.

Second there is no difference between the two. You cannot demand that color not be an issues when its convenient for it not to be but then throw it all up in the mix when its convenient for you to.

Do you ever stop to think its the brotha who ended up dead because everyone else was doing what they were told to do but the brotha wanted to try to talk his way out of it and then struggle or resist when they were trying to cuff him? Yes did it ever cross your mind that the non black brother didn’t wan tany issues so they sat down as they were told to but Mr Oscar wasn’t going out like that? Now I agree that it is wrong that this unarmed man is dead and someone needs to answer to it but could Oscar have done things differently. Could Oscar have saved his own fate?

Sepiastar

1/8/09, 13:15:pm

@ME
Maybe its time for the black man to stop cornering the violence market so much. He wouldn’t be seen as a threat is he didn’t so often present himself as a threat. Again these cops are not waking up in the morning saying ‘umma get me a n!gger today’. Black men play just a big a role in how they are perceived in scary situations.
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Are you serious? No one is justifying crime but you seriously believe that Black men have “cornered” the violence market? America is a violent nation and you feel the Black man is responsible for the mentality of a police officer that brutally murder innocent victims.

Please, provide statistics and your source to justify this perceived threat level. How many Blacks are killing Police Officers versus how many Police Officers are killing Blacks?

OL' PLAYER LOOKIN @$$ BOY

1/8/09, 13:15:pm

Bay 1, the situation in Africa (DARFU) speaks best on the comment you made. The life of a black person is cheap…hell even slaves were valued. Know *****aody wants any part of a black man except a white women.. go figure

Sepiastar

1/8/09, 13:19:pm

@OL’ PLAYER LOOKIN @$$ BOY

COPS say the only difference between a Black Men and a *****s is their actions, does anyone bloging agree
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I disagree because obviously, the cops can’t seem to differentiate between the too. They have continuously killed, beaten and falsely arrested Black men, so they must believe they’re one in the same.

ME

1/8/09, 13:20:pm

@ME
Violence is in many communities, not just black communities. Yes, you can state statistics and we can also state the statistics concerning police brutality and racial profiling. The problem is a police officer does not have the liberty to exhibit prejudice and judge a person by their race because of the actions of someone else in the same race. What you’re using as your justification is discrimination? Can you statistically state how many police officers have been killed in the line of duty by young black men since you’re implying that the reason they’re targeted is because they’re such a threat to the police?
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I disagree. Sadly somethings discrimination to one person is just a plain fact to others. Is it discriminatory to say Irish people like to drink heavily – yes it it. Is it true – yes it is. Somethings you have to accept a fact as a fact. I believe cops need to prepare themselves for the areas they are going into and the types of crime they are going to be dealing with. I’m black and I would feel much safer as a cop diffusing something in a white area than I would in a black area. Thats not just a white cop thing. Even black cops are more guarded according to the area they go into.

And the fear does not come from how many black men have killed cops. The fear comes from how many black men have killed black men. If a cop knows you’ll kill your own and destroy your own community then he’s probably thinking you’ll take him out without even thinking about it. I believe cops are in genuione danger when they come into most black neighborhoods and they need to approach the situation accordingly.

Redd Tony

1/8/09, 13:20:pm

“A riot is the voice of the unheard”

MLK

Sydney

1/8/09, 13:23:pm

I apologize if this has already been shared — from sfgate.com:

(01-07) 19:14 PST OAKLAND — The BART police officer who shot an unarmed man to death on a station platform early on New Year’s Day quit the force Wednesday, avoiding an interview with police internal affairs investigators trying to get to the bottom of an incident that has prompted broad outrage.

Officer Johannes Mehserle, 27, was supposed to make a statement Wednesday about why he shot 22-year-old Oscar Grant as the supermarket worker lay face-down at the Fruitvale Station in Oakland, BART said.

Video recordings made by at least two BART p*****engers and shown repeatedly on TV news programs have prompted speculation that Mehserle fired without provocation or by accident after Grant and several friends were detained around 2 a.m. in the aftermath of a fight on a train.

Mehserle, however, did not show up for the scheduled interview at 11 a.m. – the same time the funeral for Grant began in his hometown of Hayward. Instead, the officer’s attorney and the president of BART’s police union appeared and handed over a short resignation letter, BART spokesman Linton Johnson said.

WordtotheWise

1/8/09, 13:23:pm

And what the hell is this supposed to accomplish? They’re rioting in their OWN neighborhoods and tearing up black-owned businesses as though the owners are the enemy. They are probably just as outraged at this injustice as the rioters. Think people! They would NEVER go to the white neighborhoods just like they didn’t during the L.A. riots. They know better. Somehow hit them economically. That’s what they did back in the day. You mess with people’s money and it makes an impact.

WordtotheWise

1/8/09, 13:24:pm

I take that back – if my memory serves me correctly, during the L.A. riots, everyone was affected.

OL' PLAYER LOOKIN @$$ BOY

1/8/09, 13:25:pm

@ ME Oscar looked well subdude on the tape to me (cuffed and on his back) so his fate lied in the officers hands who choose to shoot him. As a cop you have levels of threat before deadly force, voice command, baton, mace, tazer, then the firearm-5 levels and the cop chose to play judge and jury… I pray non of your kids face a unproperly trained police officer in the field.

Sepiastar

1/8/09, 13:26:pm

@BE
I do agree that often times we are compelled to expect the worst. This is partially because it has become the norm. Many cops everywhere do not respect black people no matter what you are doing, your career or anything else. Now having only seen the one tape and clips on the news I do beleive that the cops just felt like they had to shoot because the people where black.

Many times I watch hockey games and baseball games and the people are drunk jumping on cars but no one gets shot. Now these men may not have been doing the right thing but they do not deserve to be killed.
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Exactly. Yet, when a Black man is murdered by the police, every excuse is given to justify the police misconduct (criminal behavior of black males, black men are violent, etc). That’s a wonderful *****essment, because many of the college towns are ravaged after games but there are no record of police killings. There are some record of minor arrest for misconduct and/or destruction of property, the fines are paid, and the students go back to cl*****.

ME

1/8/09, 13:26:pm

Are you serious? No one is justifying crime but you seriously believe that Black men have “cornered” the violence market? America is a violent nation and you feel the Black man is responsible for the mentality of a police officer that brutally murder innocent victims.

Please, provide statistics and your source to justify this perceived threat level. How many Blacks are killing Police Officers versus how many Police Officers are killing Blacks?
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The black man accounts for alot of the crime in this country. When I last checked he made up only 7% of the country but accounted for over 50% of the crime that this country goes through. The black man can be pretty violent and I think even if you don’t acknowledge it to me you should come out of the denial of not atleast acknowledging it to yourself.

Its also important for me to stress again that I don’t think this was a brutal murder. I think it was an accident and an accident could have happened to any man of any race. I definitely think this cop needs to answer to what he did and go to jail for involuntary manslaughter even but I don’t think this cop set out to murder a black man. I believe this cop was pulled into a situation by a young man not just doing what he was told to and through a series of unfortunate events he lost his life.

And I don’t know how many black men kill cops as I don’t know how many cops kill black men. But if its anywhere near the number of black men who kill other black men I would guess its a pretty out of control number.

huss

1/8/09, 13:28:pm

This shoulda went down in the NYC when Sean Bell was gun down.

Big up SF!!!

God bless!

dubya

1/8/09, 13:30:pm

Redd Tony

“A riot is the voice of the unheard”

MLK
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Funny, because MLK always went the peaceful route.

ME

1/8/09, 13:30:pm

@ ME Oscar looked well subdude on the tape to me (cuffed and on his back) so his fate lied in the officers hands who choose to shoot him. As a cop you have levels of threat before deadly force, voice command, baton, mace, tazer, then the firearm-5 levels and the cop chose to play judge and jury… I pray non of your kids face a unproperly trained police officer in the field.
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Okay. Am I really thing only one who sees this young man still struggling even after he is on the ground with one cops knee in his back? Am I the only one who sees him still resisting and three cops trying to subdue him? Stevie Wonder can see that this guy is still struggling. I don’t even see that he is cuffed. All I see it a cops knee in his back and two other cops standing over him trying to get him to stop what he is doing. Are you all now selectively seeing what will make your point for you?

I’m going to go watch this tape again and I’ll be right back.

JK

1/8/09, 13:32:pm

All I am asking is why not with the same anger? Why not approach the black man killing his own in record number the same way? Haven’t you sat back and watched that long enough too?

I’m sorry. I just refuse to make this a black and white battle. Its wrong that an unarmed man is dead period. Everything is not black and white. This is a cop who needs to answer to shooting an unarmed man. For me personally everytime race if brought into it the first thing I am going to see from a race prospect is that the black man kills more of his own than anyone else could dream of. I will not see this cops race without seeing the race of the man who is out there killing his own nightly.

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@ Me
That is a valid point. However, if the victim is black and the shooter isnot based on how the world is than race will always play a factor.

HF

1/8/09, 13:32:pm

Yes, why did you just *****ume away the reasons why this cop had to subdue the “victim”?
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I never said that subduing the victim was unecessary. Shooting him in the back was.

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why did the gun discharge?

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Obviously the cop pulled the trigger.

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was the gun aimed at the victim?

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Yep. Did u c the video?

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did the gun ricochet off of the concrete and hit the victim?

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No, he fired his weapon at close range into the victim’s back. Did u c the video?

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Was the cop intending to kill this guy?

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I can’t imagine what other intention firing a gun at close range might a shooter have.

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Is this cop a racist?

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Strongly suggestive. After all, like ME said: “Maybe its time for the black man to stop cornering the violence market so much. He wouldn’t be seen as a threat is he didn’t so often present himself as a threat. Again these cops are not waking up in the morning saying ‘umma get me a n!gger today’. Black men play just a big a role in how they are perceived in scary situations.”

Perception being reality, right?

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By your reasoning, anytime a white cop tries to subdue an unruly black guy, he’s being racist?

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Naw… only when he shoots a COMPLIANT black guy in his BACK.
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The cop CLEARLY made a mistake, to say it’s racist without having some inside information on the psyche of the cop, is irrational.

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This goes back 2 the society that we live in, and the herd mentality of the police force. Black men r percieved as threatening, so….

Good example: this incident did not make national news until rioters started burning the streets. After that happened, the word is out – all on account of those “unruly” black people who should just behave themselves because they r sooooooo scary….

Oaktown

1/8/09, 13:32:pm

WordtotheWise

And what the hell is this supposed to accomplish? They’re rioting in their OWN neighborhoods and tearing up black-owned businesses as though the owners are the enemy. They are probably just as outraged at this injustice as the rioters. Think people! They would NEVER go to the white neighborhoods just like they didn’t during the L.A. riots. They know better. Somehow hit them economically. That’s what they did back in the day. You mess with people’s money and it makes an impact.
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You are mstly right about what the correct course of action should be, but wrong about the destruction f Black businesses and homes. The rioting took place in downtown Oakland where the Black business amunts to maybe 1%. The business in this area are all white, east indian and asian.

Sepiastar

1/8/09, 13:36:pm

@ME
I disagree. Sadly somethings discrimination to one person is just a plain fact to others. Is it discriminatory to say Irish people like to drink heavily – yes it it. Is it true – yes it is. Somethings you have to accept a fact as a fact. I believe cops need to prepare themselves for the areas they are going into and the types of crime they are going to be dealing with. I’m black and I would feel much safer as a cop diffusing something in a white area than I would in a black area. Thats not just a white cop thing. Even black cops are more guarded according to the area they go into.

And the fear does not come from how many black men have killed cops. The fear comes from how many black men have killed black men. If a cop knows you’ll kill your own and destroy your own community then he’s probably thinking you’ll take him out without even thinking about it. I believe cops are in genuione danger when they come into most black neighborhoods and they need to approach the situation accordingly.
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I understand your opinion but your comments insinuate the reason the police are brutal with Blacks is because they’re a threat to them. If that is correct, then there has to be m***** killings of police officers by black men (and we KNOW that’s not accurate). Your rationale that they’re threatened because they’ll kill each other is inadequate. Blacks are afraid of the police and everyone knows this, including the police. There are some areas in Los Angeles that have large Hispanic populations and the police will not enter those areas, because they are very well aware that their lives are at stake because they WILL kill the police. Most Blacks RUN or attempt to be as law abiding as possible! Even Whites are not afraid of the police because the police do not pose a threat to them, regardless of their actions. However, Blacks know it can be a life or death situation for them and most don’t want to risk their lives. You have the roles reversed. Blacks are more threatened by the police than the police are threatened by Blacks. Yes, we will inflict violence upon each other but we don’t antagonize the police and that’s still not a reason to justify the killing of an unarmed black man.

Oaktown

1/8/09, 13:37:pm

I live only 5 blocks from the area that was burned last night and now I hear multiple helicopters and sirens again!!!

OL' PLAYER LOOKIN @$$ BOY

1/8/09, 13:38:pm

@ME You can’t kill someone for resisting arrest its unlawful. an if they don’t have a weapon you can’t shoot them -period if they are resisting arrest and they are to big to subdue alone call for back up -thats the procedure baby. If it went down like you want it to go down -with resisting being justification to (bust) we are in serious trouble. Sometime a little resist is warrented hell the cops arent always right, fair or just.

pm

1/8/09, 13:42:pm

What was he doing to be arrested does anyone know

Sepiastar

1/8/09, 13:42:pm

@ME
The black man accounts for alot of the crime in this country. When I last checked he made up only 7% of the country but accounted for over 50% of the crime that this country goes through. The black man can be pretty violent and I think even if you don’t acknowledge it to me you should come out of the denial of not atleast acknowledging it to yourself.

Its also important for me to stress again that I don’t think this was a brutal murder. I think it was an accident and an accident could have happened to any man of any race. I definitely think this cop needs to answer to what he did and go to jail for involuntary manslaughter even but I don’t think this cop set out to murder a black man. I believe this cop was pulled into a situation by a young man not just doing what he was told to and through a series of unfortunate events he lost his life.

And I don’t know how many black men kill cops as I don’t know how many cops kill black men. But if its anywhere near the number of black men who kill other black men I would guess its a pretty out of control number.
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Any person can be violent, not just Black men. Your problem is you keep attempting to justify a crime by using other crimes. That’s inaccurate and where did you derive your statistics from or are you estimating based upon your perceptions?

OL' PLAYER LOOKIN @$$ BOY

1/8/09, 13:43:pm

I think white have the violent market covered …Holocust and where are the Indians? you think they all went to oklahoma?

OL' PLAYER LOOKIN @$$ BOY

1/8/09, 13:43:pm

OH yea Native American – Didnt mean to offend

Toni Montana

1/8/09, 13:43:pm

man shoots another man in the head on tape with 15 ppl standing around. why? cuz its a white cop shooting a black man and he will probably never be in front of a judge for this. The mayor said he is treating this like a homicide. we’ll see.
PEACEFUL PROTESTS. INTIMIDATE THE COPS WITH YOUR LARGE NUMBERS AND CLOSENESS AS A COMMUNITY, NOT WITH VIOLENCE.

Oaktown

1/8/09, 13:44:pm

pm

What was he doing to be arrested does anyone know
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Apparently there was a fight at about 2am on the BART transit train ad th police arrested a number of people as soon as the train pulled into the station. Nt all of the people were involved but the police arrested all of them I guess in an effort to sort things out. This guy may not have even been involved.

OL' PLAYER LOOKIN @$$ BOY

1/8/09, 13:45:pm

Sepiastar, I agree

ME

1/8/09, 13:46:pm

You can’t kill someone for resisting arrest its unlawful. an if they don’t have a weapon you can’t shoot them -period if they are resisting arrest and they are to big to subdue alone call for back up -thats the procedure baby. If it went down like you want it to go down -with resisting being justification to (bust) we are in serious trouble. Sometime a little resist is warrented hell the cops arent always right, fair or just.
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I agree as do I agree that this cop needs to answer to what he did. I think he needs to do some manslaughter time and his family deserves to get every penny they are suing for. I just refuse to bring color into this. If you are not willing to look at color all around then its not fair to look at it selectively. Everyone wants to see racially that this cop was white and that he shot a black man but noone wants to use the same race card to talk abotu what cops are up against when they do into these black areas. Noone wants to talk about how the black mans behavior makes cops feel like they need to reach for the gun quicker. Im just saying leave race out of it. A cop shot an unarmed man and he needs to answer for it and he will. But everything does not need to be split along racial lines. Too much focus is lost on the crime at hand. I’m tired of seeing the selective racism.

dubya

1/8/09, 13:46:pm

@HF
You are making a lot of *****umptions which make it true only in the court of YOUR opinion. You byp***** all of the “victim’s” actions and automatially *****ume that the officer was racist. We don’t know if the gun accidently discharged, we don’t know if he reached for the wrong weapon, we don’t know anything other than what was shown on the tape so for you to *****ume racism is irrational. Again, I think it was a tragic accident.

There is no perception that the “victim” was unruly, he clearly was–both before he was cuffed and while he was cuffed.

Sydney

1/8/09, 13:47:pm

@pm

From insidebayarea.com:

When five officers responded to reports of a fight on a BART train by stopping the train at the Fruitvale station about 2 a.m. Jan. 1, they ordered several p*****engers to get off that train and detained some of them, officials said. Grant was among those p*****engers, though officials have yet to confirm whether he was suspected of being involved in the fight.

BART officials have not confirmed the exact time of the shooting. The Oakland Fire Department responded to a call for medical help at 2:13 a.m., and Grant was still breathing at 2:22 a.m. when an American Medical Response ambulance arrived to take him to Highland Hospital, where he died.

Special K

1/8/09, 13:49:pm

@dubya

I think it may have been an accident as well but the fact that it was an accident still doesn’t bring this young 22 year old man back. The officer should still be tried for involuntary manslaughter

ME

1/8/09, 13:53:pm

There is no perception that the “victim” was unruly, he clearly was–both before he was cuffed and while he was cuffed.
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Dubya I thought it was just me. Thank you so much for also seeing that this guy was disruptive before and after he was cuffed – if he was cuffed. I clearly see him struggling to the point that it’s necessary for a cop to put his knee in the guys back. I guess I just don’t get why he’s all up yelling don’t taser me I have a child at home and all that. Why not just sit against the wall and keep quiet just as everyone else did. Its just seems like such an unstable thing to do with everything that was going on around them. IT DOES NOT JUSTIFY HIS LIFE BEING TAKEN. LET ME SAY THAT NOW BEFORE I GET CLIMBED ON AND ACCUSED OF BEING PEOPLE I AM NOT. His behavior does not justify being shot to death but why? Why would he taunt those cops like that? Why not just chill like everyone else did? Someone asked me before why is the black kid the only one who got shot with all the non black people who were there up against the wall. Well there you go. He’s the only one who would not just sit against the wall and be cool.

dubya

1/8/09, 13:54:pm

Special K

@dubya

I think it may have been an accident as well but the fact that it was an accident still doesn’t bring this young 22 year old man back. The officer should still be tried for involuntary manslaughter
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I agree with you 100%. I’m just not going to jump on the racist bandwagon while completely IGNORING the actions of the victim and his friends that put them in the situation in the first place.

Yes, this guy is dead and leaves behind a grief stricken family. But maybe, instead of jumping on an uncertain and unproven racist angle, we need to take a better look at our actions, at who/what we choose to surround ourselves with and what are the reprecussions for those actions.

Oaktown

1/8/09, 13:54:pm

Special K

@dubya

I think it may have been an accident as well but the fact that it was an accident still doesn’t bring this young 22 year old man back. The officer should still be tried for involuntary manslaughter
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Nt sure it wasaccident. You do not reach for yur gun, pull it and then fire it accidently. It also was not a case of reaching for his spray because the holster was loceted on the ther side of his body and he had already pulled it earlier. I am not sure what was going through the officers head at the time, but it is what it is…an police shooting of an unarmed suspect .

ME

1/8/09, 13:55:pm

I think it may have been an accident as well but the fact that it was an accident still doesn’t bring this young 22 year old man back. The officer should still be tried for involuntary manslaughter
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Thats exactly what I said – INVOLUNTARY MANSLAUGHTER. But this is not a Murder case. It does not seem like that cop meant to shoot him. Can you imagine if its true that he meant to go for his taser instead of his gun? That means he was going for the taser to calm this guy down and stop him making the scene worse. In that sense isn’t this kid part to blame? Would the taser have been necessary if he had just sat against the wall like everyone else did?

ME

1/8/09, 13:58:pm

I agree with you 100%. I’m just not going to jump on the racist bandwagon while completely IGNORING the actions of the victim and his friends that put them in the situation in the first place.

Yes, this guy is dead and leaves behind a grief stricken family. But maybe, instead of jumping on an uncertain and unproven racist angle, we need to take a better look at our actions, at who/what we choose to surround ourselves with and what are the reprecussions for those actions.
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This is the truth. My heart goes out to his family especially his mama but it breaks my heart to think this could have been avoided if he had just sat against that wall and said nothing just like everyone else did. Noone else tried to explain anything or beg not to be tasered or talk about their family or start struggling and if he hadn’t he’d be alive today.

Special K

1/8/09, 13:58:pm

@dubya
again we are in agreement I am not on the racist bandwagon at all I don’t think this s*****ed from racism I think it was a situation that got out of hand from both parties. If I were a cop and some people need to think of this you are still human you have fears the only thing that is different is that they are paid to overcome their fear by serving and protecting but they as officers still get scared does it justify what has occurred no but maybe it adds some insight maybe that is why the wrong weapon was pulled?

WordtotheWise

1/8/09, 13:58:pm

@Oaktown>>>Okay. Thank you for the correction.

Special K

1/8/09, 14:01:pm

@ oaktown

i agree that is why I said they should be prosecuted I am not sure what happened I live way over here in Texas and trust we know all about racism here so it could have went down either way but they should be held accountable regardless of their actions.

Ms.LaDyJ frOm the Bay

1/8/09, 14:01:pm

I seen this on the news last night and this morning and just felt sadness. I dont think that the true reason of why the protestors were out there came across because the media made it out to be such a violent act and showcased the youngsters actin up and all the vandelism. But the people who started this at the bart station were there in the name of an innocent man not to tear up Oakland. They need to focus on the voice of the people.

This was just a horrible thing to happen to a father, fiance, son, cousin and brother..
I saw the tape and was mortified..

Rest In Peace Oscar Grant.

Lady Architect ( Still Sore From The Personal Training)

1/8/09, 14:01:pm

I’ve read some of the comments and it made me think of a few things. First off all white people know about the black race is O.J., Mike Vic, and now this at the moment. They know about Obama and continue to attack his middle name as being linked to a terrorist this very day. Let’s see:

Does anyone remember there was a black man driving his benz. He was pulled over, handcuffed, and taken to jail while his car was impounded in the police lot. Remember they found out who he was and it turned out to be a CEO of his own company. He took the officers to court and they used a “mistaken identity” excuse saying they thought he had a stolen victim. Well they never ran the plates on his car, abused him for no reason and he was just an innocent man driving home to his family. How do you explain that?

The Columbine guys that shot up their school? Ruled out as only being “insane to do such a thing”

The VA tech shooting “ruled out as being insane”

The missing wife of the Peterson guy: not even being talked about anymore, in fact he’s ready to get married again.

The lil boy who shot his father and his uncle “they must have been abusing him behind closed doors for him to do such a thing”

The boy who shot his own babysitter “the babysitter was taunting him”

The lil white boy that killed his whole family was ruled out as insane.

I didn’t see Peta charge after the the child or his parents that broke into a zoo and fed the alligator other animals.

What about all the bar fights in white bars. Those guys can go home and sleep it off. Why arent they on the ground with a bullet through their back?

Ms.LaDyJ frOm the Bay

1/8/09, 14:02:pm

And that cop resigned this morning so he better watch his ***** steppin out the buildin..

dubya

1/8/09, 14:04:pm

@Me
I agree. I just don’t think it was racist and I don’t think it was cold blooded murder either. I think we have an accident by an ill trained cop.

The family deserves compensation and justice. The police officer does not deserve to be called a racist and a cold blooded murder.

Lady Architect ( Still Sore From The Personal Training)

1/8/09, 14:05:pm

Ms.LaDyJ frOm the Bay,
Thank you for your insight. I have yet to see the peacefull rally that took place at the BART station at 3PM. They seem to only wanna show the riot.

12345

1/8/09, 14:06:pm

if you believe he meant to grab his taser, you are crazy… i have never seen a taser that looks like a gun, or is triggered the same way…. so if that was true, the gun wouldnt have fired. come on, he is just trying to find an excuse. you know how much training these guys go through, and you mean to tell me he doesnt know what is what…. please

Ms.LaDyJ frOm the Bay

1/8/09, 14:07:pm

@ Lady Architect-
Im not by any means defending the ethnicity of the cop but you cant turn this into a straight racial war either.. this was an abuse of power.. I AM FROM THE AREA and I DONT CARE WHAT COLOR YO SKIN IS.. THESE COPS OUT HERE IS RUTHLESS.
I am a half white woman but you cant tell me all i know about the black race is Oj and Vic. That was HELLA IGNORANT. I am quite educated and Im from a community that deals with this ***** ALL THE TIME.

Special K

1/8/09, 14:08:pm

@ Lady Architect

I agree with you honey but at the same time if we know as a people that the cards are already stacked up against us then why ruffle feathers I mean this is Cali the same place they beat Rodney King on TAPE and got away with it. So we need to be smarter. Like when you were in school the teacher told you will start off with an A it is up to you to keep it. Their is a difference in the social standings it can’t be ignored but bucking the system won’t help cause that is what they are waiting on.

HF

1/8/09, 14:11:pm

dubya

@HF
You are making a lot of *****umptions which make it true only in the court of YOUR opinion. You byp***** all of the “victim’s” actions and automatially *****ume that the officer was racist. We don’t know if the gun accidently discharged, we don’t know if he reached for the wrong weapon, we don’t know anything other than what was shown on the tape so for you to *****ume racism is irrational. Again, I think it was a tragic accident.

There is no perception that the “victim” was unruly, he clearly was–both before he was cuffed and while he was cuffed.
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Well if I’m being presumptuous Dubya, then so r u.
What “actions” of the victim r u talking about? It is not known whether or not he was involved in the fight on the train. The cops pulled out a BUNCH of people off the train. Grant may have been involved in the fight, or trying 2 break it up…. we DON’T know. U r *****uming some type of wrongdoing on his part.

Even if he STARTED the fight, by the time the cops had him face down on the platform with a cop’s knee on his neck, he was NO LONGER AN IMMINENT THREAT.

If the gun accidentally discharged, then that’s MANSLAUGHTER. If he reached 4 the wrong weapon, then that is CRIMINAL NEGLIGENCE. Y was he even reaching 4 a weapon when Grant was face down on the ground and not putting up a fight is beyond me. Accident though it may b, the cop needs 2 do some time behind bars.

BTW, that the cop wasn’t even INTERVIEWED speaks volumes. The mayor finally told investigators 2 treat the matter as a homicide… as a concession 2 stave off rioters.

And when a bunch of angry, inebriated white folks turn over cars and riot in the streets after a ballgame, the cops seem 2 understand restraint. Miraculously no 1 gets killed. Arrested, yeah, killed…naw.

But oh, that scary black man face down on the ground with a knee on his neck….

Anonymous3 - the fire sign

1/8/09, 14:12:pm

saw the tape…I have a problem with 3 officers standing over a guy on his stomach with his hands cuffed behind his back and they still aren’t satisfied….I don’t see where this guys movements (after being handcuffed) were cause for grabbing a taser let alone a gun….they said the guy said “don’t shoot me, I have a daughter ” and guess what, the cop stood up and shot him in the back with his fact to the ground…..please someone explain that…..it may not be a race issue but to say that the cop was ill trained does even cover what happened….this cop was extremely reckless….

Anonymous3 - the fire sign

1/8/09, 14:14:pm

I agree with you Lady Architect…..I’m tired as a Black Person of tip toeing around others, scared as if this were the 50’s …..it’s ridiculous….we may not get the same concessions but does that mean we should bow and scrape and not stand up for ourselves because “the man” is quick to procescute us more so than another race???

12345

1/8/09, 14:15:pm

@ lady architech…. i totally agree with you, the media is so bias it is sickening. minorities are portrayed as criminals no matter what… another perfect example is two pictures taken during katrina…. one a white man waiste deep in water with bread and milk in his hand… the caption reads “man finding supplies for survival” same picture but a black man this time… caption reads “man leaving after looting a store”
wtf, that ***** makes me sick

dubya

1/8/09, 14:17:pm

@Lady Architect:

Honestly speaking, most of the insanity verdicts come as a result of a good lawyer not some ill informed public defendant most black people are *****igned. Trust me, if you have a good lawyer or connections, you can get off regardless of the color of your skin (ask oj, ask kobe, as michael jackson, idi amin was responsible for wiping out entire villages, he walked away from it all and settled comfortabley in the middle east).

The esclation of violence from police comes from resisting arrest. Sure, you can go in a bar, beat down a few folks, and get arrested, but no guns are going off if you just do what the cops are telling you to do. When they scream, “lay down on the ground” you lay down on the ground, because the next thing they are going to do is put their hands on the trigger.

Also the columbine and virgina tech shootings highlight an interesting point–these two incidents were carried out by people who had DO*****ENTED cases of mental illness. They also took their own lives before the sharp shooters had the opportunity to do so they closed the case on their own.

Just a few disjointed observations.

12345

1/8/09, 14:21:pm

@ lady architech…. but i am a white woman, so i must say, not all white people are blind to this…. i am educated in black history and dont see oj or mike vic every time i see a black face… i know you were just generalizing but i just think that as humans we need to unite

dubya

1/8/09, 14:28:pm

@HF, I’m not making any *****umptions. I’m going 100% off of video footage and witness testimony. Even his own friends admit to wrong doing. A police officer views you as a threat as long as you keep RESISTING arrest. This means struggling, not going down, yelling, talking back, etc..

I live boston/cambridge area, very close to Fenway Park and Landsdown street (popular bar strip). There have been many riots here after games and too many drinks and there have been several white and asian people killed. In fact, just last year a white woman was shot in the face and killed for refusing to disperse and resisting arrest. It happens in all races and areas and not just too black–the common denominator is starting trouble and resisting arrest.

I never said the cop should get off free and clear. I’m all for involuntary manslaughter.

dubya

1/8/09, 14:30:pm

I meant “It happens to all races and areas and not just to black people.

Black Man

1/8/09, 14:36:pm

No justice no PEACE…. It’s that simple…

My City Is In Pain

1/8/09, 14:37:pm

I have lived in Oakland my whole life and have witnessed the constant and consistent abuse of power by Oakland Police and BART Police. I do not condone the destruction of Oakland businesses but I understand the level of frustration in our community. It is warranted. I guarantee that if Oscar Grant was white there would not have been an “accidental, unfortunate weapon discharge” this young man was on the ground posing no threat to the officer and furthermore he was UNARMED…when did it become acceptable for police to use deadly force against unarmed men? There are too many “accidental” murders committed by police that kill our young men. It is important to remember that the victims of “accidental” police shootings are NEVER WHITE. A badge is not a license to kill young black men. BAY AREA STAND UP.

GOD

1/8/09, 14:39:pm

Human beings may NEVER UNITE. It’s been proven that we all either descending from ‘Lucy’ of Africa, yet some of you ignorant mother*****ers still express how much you can’t seem to get out of the ghetto with some of the ridiculous crap that you type about Blacks. I beginning to believe that this site exclusively promotes self hatred and racism.

Some of you will either be personally affected by a similiar tragedy or worse. How can any of you cry out for the victim or the pig when there is someone right now in your family you HATE and wouldn’t hesistate pulling the trigger to blow their brains out. Law enforcement are currently being trained and paid to treat the citizens like rag dolls/subhuman, because some of YOU are. And I don’t mean Black White Asian or Latino I mean all of you racist. This is what you were born into and if you didn’t have progressive parents, well, just read some of the ignorant jail house attorney rants in this thread. Most definately we are our brothers keeper, but take care of SELF and stop pointing the finger at others when your HOUSE is not in order.

For all I know some FBI agent or Informants are tearing ***** down in the BAY area to get overtime checks.

ME

1/8/09, 14:40:pm

I agree with you Lady Architect…..I’m tired as a Black Person of tip toeing around others, scared as if this were the 50’s …..it’s ridiculous….we may not get the same concessions but does that mean we should bow and scrape and not stand up for ourselves because “the man” is quick to procescute us more so than another race???

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Noone is asking the black people tiptoe around cops. We are just making the point that when you don’t calm down as you are told to then things like this can go wrong. Do you notice how he was the only one who was shot? Do you notice everyone else sitting against the wall calmly as they were told to? All I am saying is this young man should have done the same and he would be home with his daughter right now. Tell me that I’m wrong. Tell me that you believe in your heart of hearts that this brotha would still would have gotten shot if he was up against the wall calm like everyone else.

You Smell Me??

1/8/09, 14:40:pm

told ya’ll I smell a riot…

Sydney

1/8/09, 14:41:pm

@Lady Architect

“The Columbine guys that shot up their school? Ruled out as only being “insane to do such a thing”

The VA tech shooting “ruled out as being insane”

Thank you for your post. You bring up some very good insights — some of which have actually been the subject of studies, such as of bias in media coverage of African Americans.

There have been newsroom discussions, for example, about the racial identification of suspects (such as should a suspect be referred to as just “black” versus a more detailed description) and the impact of suspects doing the “perp walk” on TV. In some instances, there are questions raised about the impact of cl***** as well as race, as with the coverage of Katrina survivors (there was a furor raised when they were referred to as “refugees” in the news, and, of course, there was the “looting” issue).

As for OJ and the other individuals you named, yes, there is a perception among some that such images are reflective of the black community at large and is emblematic of prejudices that persist. Some of these prejudicial images arose during the presidential campaign, and there was a very telling survey that showed that a number of white Americans hold a negative view of blacks. There were many writings about how Obama’s public countenance ran counter to the stereotype of the “Angry Black Man.”

GOD

1/8/09, 14:41:pm

*we are all descendents of Lucy from Africa* HUMAN BEINGS ARE ONE SPECIES.

Redd Tony

1/8/09, 14:45:pm

I have a questions… I watched three tapes of the events..After these men were subdued, why did people still stay around that area?…Why do black people gravitate towards trouble..You had people approaching the officers that had NOTHING to do with it!!!….The other night I was leaving the club and it was about close. The police damn near had to use force to tell people to leave from in front of the club, and the party people didnt leave until the officers the police started to whip out their batons…Why do we let things like this escalate to an uncontrolable point?…

BOTTOM LINE THIS YOUNG MANS DEATH COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED….

I dont excuse the officer shooting this man, he should get time..BUT DONT TURN THIS ***** INTO A RACIAL WAR WHEN WE HAVE THE AUDACITY TO TURN THE OTHER CHEEK WHEN WE KILL OUR OWN!!!

ME

1/8/09, 14:45:pm

when did it become acceptable for police to use deadly force against unarmed men?
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Again I don’t believe the cop used deadly force. I believe it was an accident. That doesn’t make it right but it doesn’t make him a wild racist who just wanted to shoot a black man either.

HF

1/8/09, 14:46:pm

dubya

@HF, I’m not making any *****umptions. I’m going 100% off of video footage and witness testimony. Even his own friends admit to wrong doing. A police officer views you as a threat as long as you keep RESISTING arrest. This means struggling, not going down, yelling, talking back, etc..
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Well if u saw the video, u would know that the police pulled Oscar off the wall and placed him on the ground. I didn’t c him swinging or trying 2 throw hands. What resistance did u c? And what admittance of wrong did his freinds admit 2? That’s new on me. What we do know is that he was virtually begging the police not 2 kill him since he had a little girl. Hardly sounds like resistance 2 me.

And 4 every Fenwick park incident u can name involving white people, I can name 10 involving black folks. There is no comparison in the way black people r policed vs any1 else.

And not directed at u specifically, but when black people have 2 regress 2 “y*****a-bossin’” 2 keep from having our civil rights trampled on, then something is more than a little awry.

Redd Tony

1/8/09, 14:47:pm

GOD

I beginning to believe that this site exclusively promotes self hatred and racism.
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YOU HIT THAT ***** RIGHT ON THE HEAD!!!!! IT DOES!!!

Lady Architect

1/8/09, 14:47:pm

ok here’s a lil disclaimer because I can see some people took my post completely out of wack. If you read some my earlier posts I think you will have a better understanding of where I am coming from. In no way am I saying that it makes it okay for ANY persona black or white to commit a crime. I am saying that statistics are a bunch of BS and the media helps form the many statistics. The media helps create this profiling of black people to be the only most violent race when every race has a good percentage of violent people. Many white people are quick to be called insane even when they say they did it on purpose. It’s easy to just say oh wow they are insane, they even admitted to it or they must be insane because they took their own lives. No they were cowards, they’d rather die now then to face the men they would have to go in prison with. None of those school shootings were proven to be done by anybody more isane then like add or adhd for adults. Any bad kid whose parents can’t handle them are diagnosed as ADD. That’s why there’s so many kids on ridilin these days. Most, not all but most white ppl who know nothing or care nothing about blk people perceived black ppl to be what the media shows us to be on TV.

ME

1/8/09, 14:53:pm

I have a questions… I watched three tapes of the events..After these men were subdued, why did people still stay around that area?…Why do black people gravitate towards trouble..You had people approaching the officers that had NOTHING to do with it!!!….The other night I was leaving the club and it was about close. The police damn near had to use force to tell people to leave from in front of the club, and the party people didnt leave until the officers the police started to whip out their batons…Why do we let things like this escalate to an uncontrolable point?…

BOTTOM LINE THIS YOUNG MANS DEATH COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED….
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That’s all I’m saying. Its wrong but avoidable. Now all those non black people sat their butts down and did what they were told. Why did the black guy have to take it further? Why did he have to taunt. People watching say all he was saying is please don’t taser me I have a daughter at home. Well I say why? Why did he have to go against what he and everyone else was being told to do to throw that in? Couldn’t others who sat down and did what they were told have kids at home too? But their home with their kids right now while this guy is dead. Why? If he had just sat down like everyone else he’d be home with his child now too. In the middle of an out and out riot if I’m told by a cop to sit my black butt down then I’m going to sit it down and not move it until I am told to. I’m not going to make the scene worse and potentially more dangerous by yelling about my family at home and don’t taser me. If I’m sitting my butt down there is no need for the cop to even be thinking about his taser or gun. I am *****ed off that this brotha is dead just like everyone else is but you have to look at the entire picture.

*****a

1/8/09, 14:55:pm

If we lived in a world without sin, then this wouldn’t be but reality is until Jesus himself comes back and wipe this place off the face of the universe…it is, what it is. In California, we don’t let nothing ride. Its going to take a protest and riots for the pressure to be put on BART to submit there investigation to the DA, so they can charge the former officer. A peaceful protest? Never, not until there is reckoning for what happen to Oscar Grant. This is the real world and aint nothing new under the sun. It you want there to be peace in a sinful world, then you’re being unrealistic. We aint letting it ride. I can speak on it because I am an East Oakland resident, my father was a panther and I have to live here. I don’t like what happen because it was “f-d’ up.” That could have been my son, brother or husband. This hurts.

ME

1/8/09, 14:58:pm

Well if u saw the video, u would know that the police pulled Oscar off the wall and placed him on the ground. I didn’t c him swinging or trying 2 throw hands. What resistance did u c? And what admittance of wrong did his freinds admit 2? That’s new on me. What we do know is that he was virtually begging the police not 2 kill him since he had a little girl. Hardly sounds like resistance 2 me.

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He was pulled off the wall and cuffed because he was the only one who wouldn’t do what he’d been told to. Why wasn’t anyone else pulled from the wall and cuffed? Because they did what they were told to do.

I don’t mean to ***** anyone off any further but frankly I think he was being a smart*****. I think for whatever reason he wastrying to be cute. He was deliberately trying to create a scene. I think he was yelling all that stuff about his child and don’t taser me to be funny and to provoke just like the white boy who did it at that John Kerry speech that day only he made out far worse than that white boy did at the Kerry speech. I can’t think of any other reason why if his little girl and getting out of there alive meant so much to him that he wouldn’t have just done what he was being told to do.

Redd Tony

1/8/09, 15:01:pm

US Black people need to get right with ourselves first…A lot of the outside world see Black Americans as lost souls and hoodlums, a wild bunch of the jackals from broken families…ESPECIALLY YOUNG BLACK MEN!!!…Our outward image depicts other people’s perceptions..Why do you think cops are extra agressive, or profile us more..Some of yall mu*****as need a reality check quick!!!

HOW ARE WE GONNA DEMAND JUSTICE FROM WHITE PEOPLE WHEN WE DONT RESPECT OURSELVES!!!

SOME OF YALL NEED TO GET RIGHT AND LOOK INTO THE *****ING MIRROR!!!!….

STOP PLAYING THE BLAME GAME AND BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR YOUR OWN ACTIONS….

THIS BLACK MANS DEATH COULD HAVE BEEN AVOIDED!!!!

Lady Architect

1/8/09, 15:02:pm

One thing I can’t stand more about a racist person in general is a person who is racist against their own race. Here are some facts:
1.When the officers first arrested Grant they didn’t even know if he was the right person.

2.when he was forced to the ground for I don’t know what reason (because there are cases where innocent men haave been thrown to the ground just for asking “what did I do”) he was handcuffed, stomach down to the ground.

3. An accompany officer put his knee on the back of Grant’s neck. FYI when you apply force to the back of the neck on the spinal cord, unless you are some type of magician, the nerves in your arms and legs will do nothing more than shake. How was he a threat at that time? If he was shaking it was most likely his nerves trying to find the loss in signal.

I do agree that the officer may have mistook his gun for his taser, but there was no use for even a taser at this moment. Had the guy been a threat or “resisting arrest” then why were the other officers standing around instead of tackling him.

Abuse of power to the 10th power.

Unkle Ruckus

1/8/09, 15:02:pm

The car that got set on fire. I doubt it belonged to BART or the mayor but probably another hard-working brother that can’t afford to buy another. Those store windows that got broke? Did they kill Grant? And people call that justice?

ME

1/8/09, 15:03:pm

And not directed at u specifically, but when black people have 2 regress 2 “y*****a-bossin’” 2 keep from having our civil rights trampled on, then something is more than a little awry.
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Again this is more sleective reasoning. Black people LOVE ‘yessabossin’ and will turn on their own with a straight heart in the process. So its okay to do it when it benefits you to even at the expense of turning on your own but its not okay to ‘yessaboss’ a little when it could save your life?

ME

1/8/09, 15:07:pm

One thing I can’t stand more about a racist person in general is a person who is racist against their own race.
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I agree 100%. More black people need ot get onboard with this thinking because we will turn on our own in a heartbeat. Like SMDH pointed out in that thread that night when she handed Kigali his butt we are the only race of people who will be racist to our own. Atleast other races are racist against others while perserving their own. We are the only ones who will be our own people biggest enemy, threat and fear.

Now can you see this when it comes to black on black murders or are you still hung up on the white cop?

ME

1/8/09, 15:12:pm

I didn’t c him swinging or trying 2 throw hands. What resistance did u c?
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No but I saw him creating a scene which only made those cops job that evening a lot harder and al ot scarier. These cops had been called to a darn there riot. They didn’t know who had what or what they were getting into. They didn’t know that there weren’t weapons on people. I am sure they were just trying to cuff him because his ranting and raving made them feel he was unstable and that he could exacerbate the problem. He should have sat his butt down like everyone else did. You don’t hear anyone else yelling about who they have at home. They are doing what they were told to and this guy should have as well.

Lady Architect

1/8/09, 15:16:pm

I was never hung up on either. They both are treated equally as a human taking another human’s life in my book. The thing that bothered me was instead of just commenting on the post itself the first thing that comes out of certain mouths is black on black crime as if it were some type of justification when it’s not. Forget black on black crime and look at it as human on human crime. The fact that any human takes another human’s life is ridiculous. Law enforcers who takes human lives for no reasons are worse. Seems to me like that gang is bigger than any other silly gang out. They even get off from going to jail.

LBCER

1/8/09, 15:29:pm

Peaceful protest? Some things in life call for more action.

ME

1/8/09, 15:32:pm

Law enforcers who takes human lives for no reasons are worse.
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So a white cop who accidentally takes the life of a black man is worse than a black man who deliberately take the life of another black man?

And these black guys pulling these drive by shootings get away with it as well.

Kigali (Channeling her inner Dr. Laura and Judge Judy for Bossip retards)

1/8/09, 15:33:pm

@So Sad,

That isnt true that cops kill innocent people all the time. If that was the case, you would be more afraid of the police killing you than anyone else. This aint Jamaica or Brazil.

Lady Architect

1/8/09, 15:37:pm

ME,
Again you are taking 1 sentence out of my whole comment and ramble out of context. LAW ENFORCEMENT PERIOD. black, white, whatever. You are turning this post into a racial issue more than anyone else here. Stop trying to pick apart my words. There’s a reason why I wrote more than one sentence so you should read them all.

“The fact that any human takes another human’s life is ridiculous. Law enforcers who takes human lives for no reasons are worse. Seems to me like that gang is bigger than any other silly gang out. They even get off from going to jail.”

Exactly!

1/8/09, 15:41:pm

@ME

I didn’t c him swinging or trying 2 throw hands. What resistance did u c?
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No but I saw him creating a scene which only made those cops job that evening a lot harder and al ot scarier. These cops had been called to a darn there riot. They didn’t know who had what or what they were getting into. They didn’t know that there weren’t weapons on people. I am sure they were just trying to cuff him because his ranting and raving made them feel he was unstable and that he could exacerbate the problem. He should have sat his butt down like everyone else did. You don’t hear anyone else yelling about who they have at home. They are doing what they were told to and this guy should have as well.

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These are the exact petty type of arguments the defense will TRY to come up with to justify this sad case. It was and is unacceptable – let’s be for real. Reactions come from what we’ve been through. This guy had been t*****ered before in a previous situation and we all know one thing can lead to another. With that being said he was bascially PLEADING for his life (in so many words) HE KNEW WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN, GOD WAS ASKING HIM TO SPEAK UP!!!! Unfortunately the devil was there too, whispering in the cops ear – and now we have “this”.

He resigned because he knew he was wrong. He’s a trained professional and he had 4 or 5 other officers there to have his back, a walkie talkie and cuffs (if all he wanted to do was “do his job”) but he CHOSE to pull his GUN – that was a choice. He’ll have to live with that choice and BART will have to pay for it!

ME

1/8/09, 15:43:pm

Again you are taking 1 sentence out of my whole comment and ramble out of context. LAW ENFORCEMENT PERIOD. black, white, whatever. You are turning this post into a racial issue more than anyone else here. Stop trying to pick apart my words. There’s a reason why I wrote more than one sentence so you should read them all.
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I am one of the few people in here asking that race be kept out of it so don’t go there. All I’m saying is if you are going to bring race into it then show the whole racial picture. If you’re going to emphasize how the white cop kills black men then atleast acknowledge that many more black men kill black men. Stop acting life the black life is safe until where is a white cop around. You stand a much better chance of being shot by one of your own than a cop. Race has no place in this but if you’re going to bring it up show the whole picture.

Txhustla15 (Austin's Finest)

1/8/09, 15:45:pm

@Redd Tony- Whats up kinfolk

@Lady Architect – You dead on right , my thing is especially the punitive part. If anyone of us shoots a officer would be fast track trial and would already be in jail. But as Ive seen here in my hometown with the last three officer related shootings where it was proven the officer used deadly force without cause and around the country – and what happens cop gets suspended/fired or some lawsuit or relocation to another precinct but no jail time..

Oh and since Bossip is usually slow on the uptake , some yall need to check out cnn or other news outlets about Robbie Tolan. So while people care to make this argument that maybe if Oscar acted accordingly he may be alive today (Argumentum ad logicam as it seems).Ive seen first hand plenty of people calmly talking to a cop catch the end of Asp or a taser. Im dying to see what defense for law enforcement can be applied here. Ill still maintain that Im responsible for my safety and safety of my family and friends, 911 and law enforcement is a joke..if you want to hide under your bed and waiting for them to come save you – more power to you

OL' PLAYER LOOKIN @$$ BOY

1/8/09, 15:46:pm

@ ME why did it go this far well my guess is- it wAs New Years, he’s 21 probably been drnking out SMELLING HIS OWN *****, DRUNK HIGH OR WHATEVER…just throw him on the ***DRUNK TANK LIKE YOU DO THE WHITE BOYS**** DONT KILL HIM-HE CANT SOBER UP FROM DEATH!!!!! EVERYBODY GRAVITATES TOWARDS TROUBLE, DANGER, EXCITEMENT, DRAMA IT’S JUST human nature white folks do it too…no reason to die!!!!!!!!!!!!

Rebellion is an art [:::(]O_O:[):::]

1/8/09, 15:46:pm

Rebellion is an art. glad to see you fellas from across the atlantic starting to get into this artform. shoulda seen what happened in greece when some cop shot n killed a 15 year old….whole country went on riot for 2 weeks.

forget race/sex/social status, all of that.wether you a ceo or a flipping burgers…..you pay taxes so these people can protect you,not shoot you.

@ me,…did we watch the same video? last time i checked this dude was on the floor,..hands behind his back.even if he had a weapon he’d have to be some contortionist from Cirque du Soliel to get to his weapon. in my opinion face down on concrete with cop’s knee in your back = no threat whatsoever.

Kigali (Channeling her inner Dr. Laura and Judge Judy for Bossip retards)

1/8/09, 15:47:pm

@ME,

Why was it that as soon as SMDH came on to that post you left? SMDH dont come on Bossip pretending to be someone else agreeing with you *****.

” Like SMDH pointed out in that thread that night when she handed Kigali his butt we are the only race of people who will be racist to our own.”

And she always expressed that she wanted a black man to be killed in the street by a white cop. Go on that “Jesus Take the Wheel” thread the other day about that guy killing his child over child support. I have said alot of ***** about black females but never have I expressed on wanted them to be murdered in the streets by the law. So who is the racist now, SMDH?

ME

1/8/09, 15:49:pm

These are the exact petty type of arguments the defense will TRY to come up with to justify this sad case. It was and is unacceptable – let’s be for real. Reactions come from what we’ve been through. This guy had been t*****ered before in a previous situation and we all know one thing can lead to another. With that being said he was bascially PLEADING for his life (in so many words) HE KNEW WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN, GOD WAS ASKING HIM TO SPEAK UP!!!! Unfortunately the devil was there too, whispering in the cops ear – and now we have “this”.
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How do you know he had been tasered before? If that it true then didn’t the effects of the last tasering teach him to sit his butt down and do what he is told and it won’t happen again? If I had been tasered before and I didn’t like it then from that day forward I’m going to do whatever I can to avoid being tasered ever again. I would also have the intelligence to know that creating a scene in an already dangerous situation in one of the most dangerous cities in the country probably wouldn’t be the way to avoid being tasered. He knew what was going to happen isn’t that what you said? Then why didn’t he know how to avoid it?

And while you call my statements petty watch out. If it is used as a defense it just may work. If I see it what’s to stop a jury from seeing it?

Lady Architect

1/8/09, 15:49:pm

I just watched one of the tapes on youtube. He had his hands up in the air while he was begging them not to hurt him. Then they threw him on the ground, proceeding with one officer putting the knee on the back of the neck, they handcuffed him, you can see the officer unclip his weapon. How do you not which side of your belt was your taser since they are placed on different sides of the belt anyway? He pulled his gun out and fired it into the man’s back. Oh and by the way there is no law that says you cannot talk. The right to remain silent doesn’t mean you must be silent. You have the right to not say anything and talking or in his case pleading does not give opportunity to be shot. I hope his family’s lawyer tear this officer to pieces. If he was so ill trained then he should’ve been behind a desk filing papers. You don’t see them letting an “ill trained” doctor doing heart transplants now do you?

OL' PLAYER LOOKIN @$$ BOY

1/8/09, 15:49:pm

Or is it? …lol

Exactly!

1/8/09, 15:49:pm

@ME

Again you are taking 1 sentence out of my whole comment and ramble out of context. LAW ENFORCEMENT PERIOD. black, white, whatever. You are turning this post into a racial issue more than anyone else here. Stop trying to pick apart my words. There’s a reason why I wrote more than one sentence so you should read them all.
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I am one of the few people in here asking that race be kept out of it so don’t go there. All I’m saying is if you are going to bring race into it then show the whole racial picture. If you’re going to emphasize how the white cop kills black men then atleast acknowledge that many more black men kill black men. Stop acting life the black life is safe until where is a white cop around. You stand a much better chance of being shot by one of your own than a cop. Race has no place in this but if you’re going to bring it up show the whole picture.
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Race plays an entirely big picture in this but for the sake of argument here you go:

He was racially profiled in the first place. When is the last time you drove by a group of white men or young white boys, hand cuffed, on the curb or FACE DOWN on the ground while their names are being ran through the system? It just does not happen. So before you seek truth to justify your petty means of your own reality, visit some of these communities and get a real lesson about real life! You don’t need a text book for every truth my man.

Wake up!

Rebellion is an art [:::(]O_O:[):::]

1/8/09, 15:50:pm

@ txhustla15

no one coulda put it better. October 14, 2007. Robert Dziekański, polish immigrant in canada got tasered to death at the airport, while waiting for his mother to meet him. dude couldnt even speak english!!!!

Immaculate Perception

1/8/09, 15:51:pm

@PM and DOC:

1. The VAST majority of the protestors were non-black. To be honest, I was surprised at the lack of black folks out there as most of the protestors were WHITE.
2. Most of the protest was peaceful and this coverage is being sensationalized. I live 2 blocks from where the majority of this took place and there was really no sign of damage this morning. A few protestors got p*****ionate and aggressive but it was nothing like a riot. That is BS. The mayor walked through that crowd unprotected and unharmed at almost 10pm last night. A mcdonalds, some garbage cans and a police car window = not a riot.
3. Why the ***** we gotta be *****s. You are pure ignorance. Look at protests around the world…It is not normally a peaceful response to violent acts…and that is worldwide and certainly not a “black thing”. You both need to get your minds RIGHT!!!! Singing “we shall overcome” has gotten no media coverage or attention or action…this is almost a full week later.

sola

1/8/09, 15:51:pm

I live out here in the Oakland Area and the police have let this cop run free for 8 damn days now with no arrest or questioning!!!! Why are they not arresting him?? BART police are not even denouncing what he did, they are “investigating”. The officer quit so he won’t have to give them a statement yesterday. They did not tear up their own part of town, they tore up the downtown which is not for the community, it’s been renovated to cater to the 9 to 5 business suits only, it all closes down at 5pm. Something has to be done and this is the only way to get their attention!! Where’s Jessie Jackson???

Rebellion is an art [:::(]O_O:[):::]

1/8/09, 15:53:pm

again…doesnt a taser feel different from a FRIGGIN’ gun!!!? how u mistake your gun for a taser? n why would you even think of tasering a guy who’s lying flat on his face n handcuffed? wat threat did he pose? what,he was gonna worm wriggle away?

Exactly!

1/8/09, 15:54:pm

ME

These are the exact petty type of arguments the defense will TRY to come up with to justify this sad case. It was and is unacceptable – let’s be for real. Reactions come from what we’ve been through. This guy had been t*****ered before in a previous situation and we all know one thing can lead to another. With that being said he was bascially PLEADING for his life (in so many words) HE KNEW WHAT WAS GOING TO HAPPEN, GOD WAS ASKING HIM TO SPEAK UP!!!! Unfortunately the devil was there too, whispering in the cops ear – and now we have “this”.
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How do you know he had been tasered before?
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Because I listen. They gave a run down about him on the news. And further more I’m not going to sit behind a computer and debate with you regarding your PETTY comments. If you agree with what happened thats your CHOICE & mine is to disagree. End of THIS discussion.

Immaculate Perception

1/8/09, 15:54:pm

@soul touch

…this is not a black community and again, these were not mostly black folks. Take a good look at the media coverage (video not hand picked photos) and you’ll see that. This (the “riot” portion) occurred in the downtown area where there are many businesses and government offices, police station, etc.
Black communites are places where black folks own their homes and businesses, this was not that (there aren’t many of those), and isn’t even an area heavily populated with blacks.

OL' PLAYER LOOKIN @$$ BOY

1/8/09, 15:56:pm

Lady Architect you right baby!!! I’m co-signing with you on this aswell as the house cause I can see your good for a stong foundation, hense the name you good girl, your like my girlfriend but for some reason she’s here…

A Make It Rayn

1/8/09, 15:56:pm

I was born and raised in Hayward.
What up everybody on here *****ociated with the East Bay.
We live in Houston now, but my mom is there and she was downtown last night. She said the weren’t hurting any people- just things. I can’t stand the eurocentric idea that tangible things, possseions- cars, windows, whatever, make the news as if htey compare to the loss of life. They’re killing us.

Rebellion is an art [:::(]O_O:[):::]

1/8/09, 15:57:pm

@ immaculate perception

. Why the ***** we gotta be *****s. You are pure ignorance. Look at protests around the world…It is not normally a peaceful response to violent acts…and that is worldwide and certainly not a “black thing”. You both need to get your minds RIGHT!!!! Singing “we shall overcome” has gotten no media coverage or attention or action…this is almost a full week later.
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i’m with you on that one bro. some of you guys need to watch the news and see how we do here in Europe. 15 yr old white kid got shot in greece,…we ALL went ballistic for 2 weeks….black AND white folks. check out what happens in France..police killed some kid “by mistake”,….the whole of m*****ille went mad. this is a question of human life being taken,…forget race.

ME

1/8/09, 15:59:pm

@ME,

Why was it that as soon as SMDH came on to that post you left? SMDH dont come on Bossip pretending to be someone else agreeing with you *****.

” Like SMDH pointed out in that thread that night when she handed Kigali his butt we are the only race of people who will be racist to our own.”

And she always expressed that she wanted a black man to be killed in the street by a white cop. Go on that “Jesus Take the Wheel” thread the other day about that guy killing his child over child support. I have said alot of ***** about black females but never have I expressed on wanted them to be murdered in the streets by the law. So who is the racist now, SMDH?
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Kigali I know you’re only saying this because I clowned you over how SMDH got in at tail. You’re acting like the little beeeeeeotch that SMDH said you are. Stop it. I have been a member of this board for almost a year now and I know you’ve seen my posts before. Like I said with the way SMDH handles herself especially the way she punks you in your butt so well I don’t think she needs to pretend to be me adn I darn sure don’t need to pretend to be her. I have been making my point all day without insults or coon garbage or all that and Iw ill continue to. As i told you under your HF screename address me like and adult or don’t address me at all. I don’t have to stay in a post and go back and forth with you two. You two can handle that yourselves.

And if you would read my posts instead of playing the little girl game your playing right now you would see that I never advocated for this man or any otehr black masn death. I said his family deserves to get paid and the officer should definitely do time for the shooting albiet an involuntary manslaughter charge. I never said it was ok for his kid to be killed. What I said was its not about color and its not fair for black people to make it abotu color with a white cop while ignoring the serious color issues with murder among blacks. Thats all I said.

So take your little punk butt back to the dirthole you climbed out. Unlike SMDH I won’t go back and forth with you. I’ll leave that to her the next time she runs into you on this board and its funny as hell when she does.

sola

1/8/09, 16:02:pm

Do you people realize this officer has not even given a statement to anyone??!! He clocked out of work and hasn’t been seen since. He sent his lawyer in yesterday with his resignation letter, he’s out, he’s not even gonna explain himself. Bet the cops would let you do the same thing, right?

ME

1/8/09, 16:02:pm

Because I listen. They gave a run down about him on the news. And further more I’m not going to sit behind a computer and debate with you regarding your PETTY comments. If you agree with what happened thats your CHOICE & mine is to disagree. End of THIS discussion.
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I’m not looking for a back and forth. You chose to respond to one of my comments and I responded to what you said about what I said. I’m fine dropping it just as quickly as your brought it up when you responded to what I posted.

Lady Architect

1/8/09, 16:04:pm

Kigali,
Thanks for your observation. The conversation with her is a dead issue now. I don’t know why I didn’t notice.

Txhustla15 (Austin's Finest)

1/8/09, 16:05:pm

@Rebellion is an art [:::(]O_O:[):::] – haha you dead on right but ill save that logic for people with the mentality that ME has , cause I handled both and a loaded pistol feels completely different than a taser. Lol and if this going to be their defense , he shouldve been a officer in the first place if hes trained and certified – he should be flipping burgers somewhere instead pointing firearms at human beings

*****em- all

1/8/09, 16:05:pm

Kill Him….that officer deserves a bullet in the heart so he can feel the pain of grasping for air. KILL Mehserle!

OL' PLAYER LOOKIN @$$ BOY

1/8/09, 16:05:pm

Involuntary ?, it was voluntary…girl. look my fellow Bossipers don’t let this tear us apart….I LOVE YALL MAN..

Kigali (Channeling her inner Dr. Laura and Judge Judy for Bossip retards)

1/8/09, 16:08:pm

@LAdy Architect,

SMDH cant keep her personalities in check they contradict themselves often. She was on the other thread expressing a desire to see a black man killed in the streets by a white cop. Now her other personality is in decrying the death of black men. You couldnt make this ***** up.

MissNee

1/8/09, 16:08:pm

@ Make it Rayn Jan 8, 2009 – 3:56 pm

Um I was down there too and I know your mom and I weren’t in the same place but on the corner of 14th and lakside I saw with my very eyes a group of men attacking one of our own. No one said that there was m***** beatings in the streets, but it’s should be disgusting for all when our community is attacked, whether it be the windows of the african braid store or the muslim bakery. BTW the *****holes that threw a garbage can into a donut shop hit the owner. If you don’t want to subscribe to the eurocentric view of possesions, that’s fine go destroy a police car *btw we’ll just have to pay for that, but whatever* but keep your hands of the community that you are demanding justice for.

ME

1/8/09, 16:08:pm

Do you people realize this officer has not even given a statement to anyone??!! He clocked out of work and hasn’t been seen since. He sent his lawyer in yesterday with his resignation letter, he’s out, he’s not even gonna explain himself. Bet the cops would let you do the same thing, right?
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I think his lawyer has advised against it and regardless of how you feel about what went down you have to respect and understand a lawyer giving their client the advice to not say anything that can make thing worse especially when jailtime and compensation can and will come from this. He has the right to not incimintae himself just as all Americans do.

Lady Architect

1/8/09, 16:09:pm

sola,
I won’t be surprised if he’s on his way out of this country at the moment. I never saw a known killer go days without even be arrested and posting. You know if someone breaks into your home and you shoot and kill them while they are unarmed you would get arrested and atleast questioned and booked? This man killed with no reason and he still walking around.

Kigali (Channeling her inner Dr. Laura and Judge Judy for Bossip retards)

1/8/09, 16:12:pm

@ME,

Its called schizophrenia for a reason. I will talk to SMDH about it as soon as she gets here and as soon as you leave. It isnt hard to be on here at the same time however. Just open up a second tab.

You will have to answer me why you guys like to repeat racial epithets over and over again and pretend like its an argument? Is that why black females cant graduate from college? Their reasoning skills reach and peek and its back to verbal abuse and threats of violence?

Txhustla15 (Austin's Finest)

1/8/09, 16:13:pm

@Lady Architect- Yeah girl you aint lying , even under law if you shoot someone with just cause with your legally registered firearm you still would go in for questioning at least , but on the other side of the equation is paid vacation while at home or abroad..

ME

1/8/09, 16:14:pm

Kigali,
Thanks for your observation. The conversation with her is a dead issue now. I don’t know why I didn’t notice.
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Is that really how your going to get down? We have been conversing all day/ Whether we agree or not we have had a very civilized conversation and I haven’t even so much as sworn. I haven’t called anyone any racist names as SMDH would have and I have kept my cool as SMDH wouldn’t have. You mean to tell me because you can’t make me agree with you you’re going to jump on a bandwagon of accusing me of being someone else? Is that how your going to handle this? Fine by me because you are not going to make me play race into this if I don’t believe it belongs there but it is pretty sad that this is the best you could do. Why does the conversation become a dead issue because you think I’m SMDH? Does that change that this young man could have avoided what happened to him by sitting down and staying calm like everyone else did? Its cool Lady Arcitech because nothing that I have said changes.

Kigali (Channeling her inner Dr. Laura and Judge Judy for Bossip retards)

1/8/09, 16:17:pm

@Me,

You ever heard of the good cop bad cop routine? Its even older than the black female pyschosis.

Special K

1/8/09, 16:18:pm

@ TX hustla

Did you hear about the Prarie View student who got shot cause the cops thought he had a stolen car and they roughed up his mom too at their house? And the cop got suspended with pay.

MissNee

1/8/09, 16:18:pm

Sola – The african braid shop is not the 9 to 5 crowd. neither is the muslim bakery or the donut shop they hit. The black cab driver was not apart of that 9 to 5 crowd. I lived in the lake merrit for a number of years and it’s not as whitewashed as you like to make it. If you want to destroy ***** how about you get organzied and hit the right things.

What you don’t realize is oakland is ours period. You will find black people in every part of oakland. There is no one neighborhood that isn’t mixed (aside from piedmont). So when people destroy things and buildings that have nothing to do with this, you’re just tearing down OUR city.

Lady Architect

1/8/09, 16:19:pm

Txhustla15 (Austin’s Finest),
Paid vacation you can go abroad. The only way he would have to stay in the state is if a judge orders him not to leave the country. Since he hasn’t even been booked or have seen a judge, he can travel anywhere to be honest.

ME

1/8/09, 16:19:pm

Its called schizophrenia for a reason. I will talk to SMDH about it as soon as she gets here and as soon as you leave. It isnt hard to be on here at the same time however. Just open up a second tab.
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Second tab? Is that how you are multiple people in here Kigali? Are you projecting what you are guilty of on me? Why would you reveal how you do it? ROTF. I am not you Kigali. I don’t need to run when someone comes into a post to get at me. I have been handling my own in here all day. I don’t run from anyone like you always seem to run from SMDH! Youre accusing me of being her becuase me and another poster were in here laughing at you for the way you run from SMDH whenever she come up in here and gets started. Even Sydney thought you two were the same poster because of how quicly your punk butt runs the minute she shows up. I am not you. I am not a weak little man. I can handle anything thrown at me on this board.

blood hands

1/8/09, 16:21:pm

In other news: Many of you seem to be CONFORMIST, especially that cut and pasting Nigali with his YESSIR BOSS can I lick your boots *****.

When you finally discover
who the ENEMY is you no longer boot lick you FIGHT! Look how this government continues to support Israels killing of INNOCENT civilians in Gaza. EVERYTIME A BOMB HITS IT HAS AN AMERICAN FLAG ON IT. I’m beginning to believe that Israel is trying to eradicate the people of Gaza instead of stopping the Hamas.

IF U ASK ME ALL POLICE AND GOVERNMENTAL workers are conformist and they wouldn’t know TRUE FREEDOM or what it means to have a personality if God spit one in their faces. My heart goes out to the bay area and to all the people around the world suffering. DR. KING SAID, “injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere.”

I’m just wondering when the Army is going to kick in the doors of American citizens and force them into concentration camps. Oh it’s happening right now. Look at the boys in Iraq, they’ve got so much blood on their hands in the name of Uncle Sam and George Bush’s hatred.

ME

1/8/09, 16:23:pm

i’m with you on that one bro. some of you guys need to watch the news and see how we do here in Europe. 15 yr old white kid got shot in greece,…we ALL went ballistic for 2 weeks….black AND white folks. check out what happens in France..police killed some kid “by mistake”,….the whole of m*****ille went mad. this is a question of human life being taken,…forget race.
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I was watching a story about that the other night on CNN. When things like this happen in other countries like in Greece with the 15 year old kid, the people do somethinng about it. They change their gun lawas and the rights of the law enforcement who handle them. But when it happens here people get offended at the thought of guns being controlled. Its sad but you are right.

Txhustla15 (Austin's Finest)

1/8/09, 16:23:pm

@Kigali – its all good , i could cite case after case with specific details for some folk but doesnt matter. The Robbie Tolan case going down on here is one my favorites as this poor young man was shot in the yard of his own home in front his family while coming home from getting something to eat in his own car. The officer proceeded to brutalize his mother in front of the family as they were asking why their son was forced to lie handcuffed in his driveway , and when the son attempt to find why his mother was being *****aulted he received a .45 bullet in his lung and his liver. But yeah obviously staying calm is obviously is moot point some people that fail to realize the realites of the world or that things like profiling (ask a law enforcement officer they just may actually tell you the truth for once) – exists . For some of the rest of you – hey ignorance is bliss…

Txhustla15 (Austin's Finest)

1/8/09, 16:25:pm

@Special K – Yeah thats real messed up ,same one Im mentioning – Houston is my second home next to Austin..

ME

1/8/09, 16:25:pm

@Me,

You ever heard of the good cop bad cop routine? Its even older than the black female pyschosis.
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What routine? I have been saying all day that while I feel that its wrong that this brotha is dead and the cop needs to answer to what he did this man could have avoided what happened to him. How is that a good cop bad cop routine? Its called laying the blame evenly as it should be.

Special K

1/8/09, 16:27:pm

@ TXHUSTLA

Yeah I was listening on the radio this morning and I was like damn what’s going on??? You suspend them with pay?

100%

1/8/09, 16:28:pm

Got damm right! They should have burn’d that ***** *****a down! These salty-crackers need to understand that slaughter’n *****’s not gonna fly, str8 up! They should have did it like Jena-6 I promise me and a bunch of other’s would have been there!!!! 2009 not 1968!

*****em- all

1/8/09, 16:30:pm

KILL HIM…Kill Mehserle. This is the new campaign. Shoot his brains out.

100%

1/8/09, 16:30:pm

The same ***** is ganna happen, in HOUSTON, with the The Robbie Tolan case! *5th ward nicca!*

OL' PLAYER LOOKIN @$$ BOY

1/8/09, 16:31:pm

What the hell is Bliss ?

ME

1/8/09, 16:31:pm

@Kigali – its all good , i could cite case after case with specific details for some folk but doesnt matter. The Robbie Tolan case going down on here is one my favorites as this poor young man was shot in the yard of his own home in front his family while coming home from getting something to eat in his own car. The officer proceeded to brutalize his mother in front of the family as they were asking why their son was forced to lie handcuffed in his driveway , and when the son attempt to find why his mother was being *****aulted he received a .45 bullet in his lung and his liver. But yeah obviously staying calm is obviously is moot point some people that fail to realize the realites of the world or that things like profiling (ask a law enforcement officer they just may actually tell you the truth for once) – exists . For some of the rest of you – hey ignorance is bliss…
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I am familiar with this case and it is completely different that the subway case. Robbie Tolan was attacked outside of his home by a cop who didn’t even identify himself and should have left once he realized the car wasn’t stolen. Thats very different from this brotha ansd what he could have done differently. Robbie couldn’t have done anything differently. He did everything right. He provided the info being asked for even though he wasn’t sure the guy wasa cop. This Oscar kid was the exact opposite. He was not cooperating.

Kigali (Channeling her inner Dr. Laura and Judge Judy for Bossip retards)

1/8/09, 16:32:pm

@Me,

The good cop bad cop routine is how you come in here, as “Me” decrying the deaths and murders of black men then come in here as “SMDH” talking about wanting to see a black man murdered in the streets by, none other than, a white cop. How do you live with yourselves?

Txhustla15 (Austin's Finest)

1/8/09, 16:32:pm

@Special K – Haha according to some people here if we just lay calmly in our yard driving your own car they say u stolen (which ironically can easily get checked by running the plates) like a good boy you wont get in trouble – lord I would have been in jail already cause if attempt beat my mother in front of me on my own property you are not going to be around long. That officer needs to be in Harris county right now

MissBlaze43

1/8/09, 16:35:pm

What a WONDERFUL world we live in:

Riots in Oakland
Earthquakes in Costa Rica
Floodings in Washington
Wars in Afghanistan
Wars in Iraq
Wars in Israel
The Economy at its lowest

And you mean to tell me that it’s not going to all come full circle on DECEMBER 21, 2012!

Y’ALL BETTER WAKE THE ***** UP!!!

Kigali (Channeling her inner Dr. Laura and Judge Judy for Bossip retards)

1/8/09, 16:36:pm

@Blood Hands AKA God,

What the ***** are you talking about? I havent even expressed an opinion about this incident you idiot.

ME

1/8/09, 16:36:pm

The good cop bad cop routine is how you come in here, as “Me” decrying the deaths and murders of black men then come in here as “SMDH” talking about wanting to see a black man murdered in the streets by, none other than, a white cop. How do you live with yourselves?
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Kigali. I’m not going to argue with you. I’ll leave that to your nemesis SMDH! She seems to handle your punk butt pretty well. She handles you so well that you can’t even be man enough to stay in the post with her and handle your own something I’ve been doing all day. I don’t care who you think I am. I don’t need to prove anything to a little wimp who can’t even handle an outspoken woman. Think what you want to little one. I’l’ check for you the next time SMDH is up in that bootay! We’ll see how tough you are then.

Txhustla15 (Austin's Finest)

1/8/09, 16:38:pm

@ME – were you there or an *****yst – otherwise like everyone else myself included is using the evidence at hand making any *****ertion is purely speculative. Irregardless this matter is a homicide either intentional or involuntary and the officer should be in jail – right now. Having handled a taser and owning different firearms there more than significant difference between a loaded handgun and a M26 Taser as most law enforcement uses – that Argumentum ad logicam argument “he could have done this is irrelevant” as who knows what would have happened…

OL' PLAYER LOOKIN @$$ BOY

1/8/09, 16:38:pm

Ignorance is bliss…What the hell is Bliss?

sola

1/8/09, 16:38:pm

MissNee:
I agree it’s scary and a h*****le for the business owners to clean up and repair when they are not involved. But all’s fair in love and war. I found it amazing how the mayor got his ***** out the house and got down there once this got started. All day he was no where to be found. They are not going to stand up and recognize without some mayhem. I am hoping they would just go ahead and arrest the officer today and he can take the 5th and be released, people just want to see the wheels of justice start turning on this. It’s taking way too long. It’s definately too bad that violence is the grease that’s turning those wheels.

*****em- all

1/8/09, 16:38:pm

KILL Mehserle…..This officer has not even given a statement to anyone or even been arrested. He’s at home in his slippers chillin waiting to it all blows over. Pop a brother and pop a pepsi

OL' PLAYER LOOKIN @$$ BOY

1/8/09, 16:39:pm

yall quit talking like them white folks man…lol

Lady Architect

1/8/09, 16:41:pm

Txhustla15 (Austin’s Finest),
yOU ARE TELLIN THE TRUTH. NOT SAYING THAT YOU SHOULD JUST GO AROUND BEATING UP COPS OR JUST START FIGHTING WHEN YOU ARE ARRESTED, BUT THERE ARE PLENTY OF PEOPLE WRONGFULLY ARRESTED WHILE MINDING THEIR OWN BUSINESS. THE FUNNIEST THING IS THAT IF THERE IS TROUBLE AND YOU TRY TO RUN AWAY FROM IT YOU MAY JUST GET SHOT IN YOUR BACK WITH THE OFFICERS SAYING THEY THOUGHT YOU DID IT CAUSE YOU WERE RUNNING AWAY.

MissBlaze43

1/8/09, 16:42:pm

Kids killing kids
Kids killing their parents
Kids killing their babysiters
Kids killing their teachers
Aids at its highest
Herpes at its highest
People killing themselves because of Economy
People killing themselves because of BERNIE MADOFF
People loosing their fortunes because of BERNIE MADOFF
Heart disease
Cancer
Viruses
People loosing their jobs
People loosing their homes
People loosing their sanity from loosing their jobs and their homes

Oh, it’s a beautiful day in the neighborhood alright.

What Bossip say, “JESUS TAKE THE WHEEL!” PLEASE!!!!

*****em- all

1/8/09, 16:43:pm

ALL U *****S R STUPID, IGNORANT PIECES OF *****

Immaculate Perception

1/8/09, 16:44:pm

@Miss Nee, it’s been a long time since Oakland was “ours”. It’s black folks sprinkled everywhere cause that’s how we do but tell that to the whit woman who told a sista in safeway on Grand Ave “why don’t you go to your own store” when she bumped her with her cart by mistake. This is the new Oakland and there are many areas where you won’t find US in any significant numbers.

sola

1/8/09, 16:45:pm

Ol’ Playa Lookin @$$ Boy:
just a tip for you, sopen up “dictionary.com”, tab it as your favorites, it’s really helpful. bliss = happiness.

OL' PLAYER LOOKIN @$$ BOY

1/8/09, 16:46:pm

@ MissBlaze43
All this because of that DAMN FORBIDDEN FRUIT….Damn Women!!!

OL' PLAYER LOOKIN @$$ BOY

1/8/09, 16:47:pm

Sola I’m on that..

MissBlaze43

1/8/09, 16:50:pm

@ Blood Hands

I tried schooling them about all that – but *****ody’s listening. They’ll find out though!

Special K

1/8/09, 16:50:pm

@ Txhustla

hell no you lay down and play nice here and you won’t get your black ***** up off the ground. Even though Houston is one of the largest city it still resides in this good ole boy red state of Texas

Soul Touch

1/8/09, 16:50:pm

@Immaculate Perception

Thank you for the clarification.

ME

1/8/09, 16:51:pm

@Blood Hands AKA God,

What the ***** are you talking about? I havent even expressed an opinion about this incident you idiot.
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Why because you can’t find a way to make it a black woman’s fault? You get really balsy when SMDH isn’t here to put you back in your place.

And if you look in the thread we was in you wil lsee the one time I did post while she was there we posted at the same time. Even with two browsers open I doubt you can post under two names at the same time. But I’ll let SMDH prove that to you in the way she does it so well while leaving you with your ***** in your hands.

*Runs out of thread*

ME

1/8/09, 16:53:pm

hell no you lay down and play nice here and you won’t get your black ***** up off the ground. Even though Houston is one of the largest city it still resides in this good ole boy red state of Texas
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And thats what Mr Oscar should have done and he’d still be alive today at home with is daughter and parents.

*Now really leaves thread*

killa187

1/8/09, 16:58:pm

kill a cops simple has that then behead that son of *****!die die mehserle die *****a out here we dont play damn yall mother*****ers soft!

Redd Tony

1/8/09, 17:03:pm

@Tx Hustla==> What up dogg!

@MsBlaze==> what you know about dat 12/21/2012? Ive been studying that for a minute now!

MissBlaze43

1/8/09, 17:06:pm

@ Imaculate Perception

It’s starting to look like there here in goold ol’ HARLEM, USA, too.

Now here’s an area where Langston Hughes and Zora N. Hurston and all the proud black folk resided. NOW – ***** – it’s starting to change BIG time. Them Krackers think THEY own Harlem now. Its still a lot of ‘us’ there, but that’s rapidly changing.

All it takes is for them to lie to the people who live there and tell them, “oh yes, move, we’ll fix the building up and then you can come back.”

What bull*****! They fix it up and then they turn the buildings into co-ops and condos where most of the people who lived the can’t affort to anymore. THAT’S WHEN SHADE WHITEY MOVES IN!

Everybody knew that once they put that STARBUCKS over there on 125th Street – it was a done deal!

Redd Tony

1/8/09, 17:09:pm

@MissBlaze43==> Gentrification at its best! They did the same thing in my city too…Its still going on….Before 2000, you could get a crib under 100k..now you cant find anything under 350k in a decent neighborhood…smh

MissBlaze43

1/8/09, 17:10:pm

@ Red Tony

Dude, I caught that Nostradamus special on The HISTORY CHANNEL the other day. I’m shook over that because *****ody seems to know EXACTLY what’s supposed to happen.

One thing for sure though, all this stuff that going on now is ALL a part of what’s supposed to go down.

Are you studying the MAYAN CALENDAR as well? That date marks their END DATE in their calendar.

Please shed some light on this for me!

OL' PLAYER LOOKIN @$$ BOY

1/8/09, 17:11:pm

@ EVERY DAY IS DOOMES DAY, 12/21/2012 IS JUST ANOTHER DAY -I’LL SMOKEOUT ON THAT DAY TOO…

itzzzkimmm

1/8/09, 17:13:pm

I live in the bay area and I am so glad that this is getting national coverage. It’s good to see people of all different backgrounds coming together and demonstrating against injustices.

OL' PLAYER LOOKIN @$$ BOY

1/8/09, 17:14:pm

MAYAN CALANDAR…PLEASE HAVE YOU SEEN LISA RAYS CALEDAR!!!

Redd Tony

1/8/09, 17:18:pm

@MissBlaze===> I beleive its gonna be a beautiful thing, and not something to be afraid of..Nostradamus scripts are like the Bible, they are subject to interpretation…so even when scientist and historians examine it, the are not sure.. You also have to take in to consideration his stuff was written during the Renaissance and the Crusade so he had to encrypt his messages so to speak…But we all with know what is going on sooner or later..Humanity is going through a spiritual and conscious change right now,, we are evolving….

Redd Tony

1/8/09, 17:25:pm

@MissBlaze

You see, we are changing into the age of Aquarius (we are in Pisces now)..Time has evolved through each zodiac cycle, and it takes 26,000 years to do this..In other words we are starting at zero at 12/21/2012..A new beginning..I beleive the powers that be including Barack Obama know this, as well as the Illuminati and Freemasons…This stuff is truly “the forbidden knowledge”…

I urge you to google “double helix nebula and phantom dna” then click on DNA Pathway to Healing and the New Age. This explains about our DNA and consciousness and its links to the universe..Our evolution is nothing to be afraid of..But I swear when I read about racism we have amongst each other and all this petty ***** we look like true idiots…studying this type of stuff truly shows how humanity is one…

Special K

1/8/09, 17:29:pm

@ Red Tony

why do you have me writing stuff down too lol.

Redd Tony

1/8/09, 17:30:pm

@Miss Blaze

In *****e, scientist found what appears to be a Double Helix Nebula (technical term for DNA strand) Particles of light had formed to make its shape…Soon there may be scientific reasearch showing evidence that human emotion affects the weather! One thing for sure that will happen is on 12/21/2012 the earths magnetic field will be gone… once this happens the earth will go through changes…

MissBlaze43

1/8/09, 17:34:pm

@ Redd Tony

Good, Lord – I’m an a AQUARIUS!!! January 25th.

Okay, I’m going to google what you’ve just posted.

Redd Tony

1/8/09, 17:35:pm

@Special K

Its all good! hahahahahah

I urge everybody to read up on this stuff…

Read it as many times as you can and understand….

With growing scientific evidence that human emotion can affect the earths weather, I beleive we are contributing with our own demise…That why we should all express love and any human emotion that extends from it…I truly beleive the only thing that can fight hate is love!

MissBlaze43

1/8/09, 17:37:pm

So THAT’S what Marilyn McCoo and her boys were singing about in the song.

This is the dawning of the Age of Aquarius – Age of Aquariusssss

WOW!!

Okay, but isn’t it also true when they say that SOME people might not experience this new… transformation, if you will?

Redd Tony

1/8/09, 17:43:pm

@MissBlaze

EXACTLY! Some people may not. Some people may not handle it.. We are living in a time where we have reached our techonological peak….its like our days go by so fast, and we have no time to live! Pacal Votan; a Mayan prophet said ” The invention of a clock gave birth to the notion that time lies outside our bodies” We as humans are not meant to be slaves to a clock…In essence we are living in an “error in time”…

Sydney

1/8/09, 17:48:pm

Good evening, all

Just wanted to p***** along an excerpt from a blog entry that Ta-Nehisi Coates (a brother who writes for The Atlantic) posted today:

theatlantic.com

“Anyone who lives in any hood, of any sort, has been treated to one of those “Increase The Peace” marches. I date back to “Self-Destruction” and “We’re All In the Same Gang –released at the height of hip-hop’s black nationalist phase–concerned, not with cops, but with black people killing black people. I spent most of last year following Bill Cosby around to standing room only rallies in Detroit, Birmingham and Baltimore, talking to people who were *****ed off by a variety of social maladies. Number one amongst them all–the murder rate among black men. That year, black men in Philly came up with a plan for the community to patrol the corners.

It is true that a police killing will draw more headlines–but that has more to do with the MSM considers a story, and what it doesnt, than with what black people care about. The fact that people are *****ed that a cop shot a man face down on the pavement, doesn’t mean that they also aren’t *****ed about ***** like this. I’m black, and I know I am. Walk and chew gum, people. That’s the motto this year.”

MissBlaze43

1/8/09, 18:01:pm

@ Sydney

Hey Sydney. How are you today. Are you well rested from last night – I mean THIS MORNING?!

lol

Sydney

1/8/09, 18:06:pm

Whatever do you mean, MissBlaze? lol

I should be asking your the same thing after your nightly activities, lol.

Sydney

1/8/09, 18:08:pm

MissBlaze, I think I’m going to call it a night, lol. I’m tired. Have a good one!

MissBlaze43

1/8/09, 18:11:pm

BRB I want to go and get the lyrics to AGE OF AQUARIUS. My friend was just singing it. Hold on…

ARTOFWAR

1/8/09, 18:23:pm

His name was (OSCAR GRANT).
And his name, should have been mentioned in the first sentence.

TO Bossip I love most of your stuff, most of the time.
But as far as real journalism, is concerned. WHEN things, about life, and death situations… you guys, fail hard..

What are we just hiring people off the streets
know?

(Oscar Grant) was his name.
Even CNN put his name out there, as a human first, as a human with a name, that was murdered..

By yet another (so called police officer.)

And CNN, is definitely owned by a white man.

(Oscar Grant) a black man, was murdered by yet another white police officer.
This day, should have been the opening sentence.

This is ARTOFWAR.
To the BOSSIP staff.

I know who the top dog in your organization is, personally.

I am going to make a phone call tonight.
And have, your BOSS explain to to me, why some of you should still have your jobs, come next week.

Your BOSS owes me, many favors,, more than you all could possibly imagine.
I am going to call in some of these favors.

So guess what is gong to happen next?

(Get it right, or don’t do it at all….) That has always been my mantra.

His name was (OSCAR Grant.)
Just another black man murdered, by the police….. ARTOFWAR.

GLOK9N

1/8/09, 18:32:pm

I WISH I WAS A PAR OFTHIS DISCUSSUSION I MISS THIS ..OK BOSSIP KEEP THIS STORY GOING TOMORROW I WILL LOOK FOR THIS THREAD …BLK FOLK WE ARE EXPERIENCING OBAMA BACK LASH AND THIS WIL NOT BE THE END …THEY ARE TRYING TO START A RACE WAR …WE AS BLK PPL NEED TO DEFEND GET YUR HANDS ON LEGAL WEAPONZ GET THEM REGISTERED SELFDEFENSE HAS TO BE OUR ONLY MEASURE KILL COPS SHOOT BACK ***** THEM *****S SERVE PROTECT AND BREAK A NIGGR NECK IS THEY TACTICS WE MUST FIGHT BACK ….SHOOTING AND UNAREMED MAN ON THE FLOOR WAS NOT A SHOOTING OR ACCIDENT THAT WAS A *****ASINATION GOOD THE IT WAS CAUGHT ON TAPE BUT BUT THAT MAN LOST HIS LIFE DEATH TO CROOKED COPPERZ!

GLOK9N

1/8/09, 18:34:pm

TYPOZ IT MUST THE WEED !

Bestlife

1/8/09, 18:35:pm

I’ve seen this over and over again….we will freakin tear up a city when a cop kills someone but we do jack when we kill each other????? There are ways of dealing with injustice intelligently…how far would Malcolm X or MLKing got acting a fool everytime somebody was hung, murdered or treated like an animal…acted like an animal themselves? No. They used their minds, their voices, their money and their vote. WAKE UP!!

kenya

1/8/09, 18:43:pm

i don’t see how rioting is going to solve anything, they already think blacks are animals who need guidance, so what do we do? prove them right. stop fighting with fists, and start fighting with your minds. write letters to the city, storm city hall, pull sit in like they did in the sixties. protest but keep it peaceful, if not your just giving them more ammunition. i’m glad i got my boys out of oakland when i did, there’s no love for young black men anywhere it seems.

And.....(with 5 dots)

1/8/09, 18:44:pm

Burn it down!!!! Oakland residents have been waiting for answers for 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 DAYS now and they haven’t gotten anywhere. It is unfortunate that it has come to this, but at some point, you have to take into consideration the words of Malcolm X, “by any means necessary” in order to get heard.

I lived in Cincinnati during the 2001 riots and that was something that erupted days after waiting for some justice. People get tired of the lies and political shenagans. They want answers immediately.

The reason why we don’t get all up in arms about so-called Black on Black crime and cops vs the Black community is because the cops are paid to protect us, and at some level, we can relate to and sympathize with the thugs and why they are the way they are (drugs, lack of education, no parental supervision, etc…). Cops who are supposed to serve and protect, instead harr***** and terrorize the Black community, just as the thugs. So if the “Boys in Blue” won’t serve and protect, than who will? We get it from all angles…other Blacks, the Boys in Blue, and whites.

CandyGirl

1/8/09, 18:52:pm

I’m from the Bay Area and I agree, they shouldn’t had turned a peaceful gathering into a Riot. That was crazy, but I know folks just get sooo tired of getting beat down they go crazy. It’s not like the people of the “O” haven’t went to city hall, written letters, protested, etc., But when you do all of this and no one answers then you feel as if you don’t have a voice.You hear about the “O” single day up here. No jobs, the school system sucks etc. And this incident – sorry to say – to most- it’s just another day in the hood, cops shooting innocent people. This guy was innocent but homeboy smooth took his pistol out and shot him in the back like the ***** he was. When you see the video, is obvious the other officers were stun by his actions. Bart is up ***** creek with this. I hope they sew for the maximum amount. Break their *****es. This shouldn’t had never ever happened, but ***** we’re talking about the “O” where this is everyday life.

CandyGirl

1/8/09, 18:53:pm

Sorry for the ebonics yaal.

Alaskan Baby

1/8/09, 18:59:pm

i saw the entire thing go down — right from my window here in alaska

And.....(with 5 dots)

1/8/09, 18:59:pm

And another reason why we don’t get up in arms of Black on Black crime vs cops and Blacks is because 9 times out of 10, the COPS WILL GET OFF ON MURDER. They have “the system” and “codes” giving them p*****es allowing them to kill us without any punishment. If the thugs get caught, at least they will go to jail.

Yvonne

1/8/09, 19:21:pm

@Kay….I live in Cali and just like you, I have not seen anything about any riots in Oakland.

A person would think at least the local news would have shown it.

If I hadn’t read this on Bossip I would have never known.

Tia

1/8/09, 19:50:pm

why is bossip blocking my comments?

Tia

1/8/09, 19:55:pm

This is terrible. Violence took this young man’s life. A subdued man, already detained should of not been killed by police.

A violent protest does not solve matters. It only adds to the racist belief that black people are deserving of cruel treatment by the police.

M.L. King did not attain results through brute force, thugery and violence. He arranged organized protest. They carried themselves in a dignified manner. That is how we were able to have equal rights.

Alice in BOSSIPLAND

1/8/09, 20:03:pm

@Me

From God and Blood Hands.

Chuck Sauce, is that what your resorting too to save face? Pathetic! I thought you used at least 5% of your brain? How many days has it been since I let your simple ***** have it? Girl, get a clue. Read A Book. Better yet, get off the computer go interact in the real world. Return to bossip later to try and say something that makes sense to the AUDIENCE.

Run along now……………

MissBlaze43

1/8/09, 20:08:pm

@ And…

I feel WE here in New York should have gone up in arms SO MANY TIMES for the cop murders here – but we didn’t!

I’m REALLY curious about how THIS case is going to go down because from what CNN is reporting – the man up and resigned before they had a chance to question him.

Why aren’t they going after him the way they went after MICHAEL VICK and PLAXICO and ***** his as up out of his home.

Sad – but remember – we ain’t seen nothing yet. Like I said:

Kids are killing kids
Kids are killing their Parents
Kids are killing their teachers
There’s floods in Washington State
There’s earthquakes in Costa Rica
Wars, Wars and more Wars

Crazy ***** Rodney

1/8/09, 20:21:pm

*****KK THE PO LEECE!!!!!!!!!

Namu

1/8/09, 20:22:pm

What happened to Oscar was wrong and horrible, but destroying other people’s property – people who didn’t have sh*t to do with Oscar’s death – that’s ridiculous and horrible too. Burning up someone’s car? Smashing people’s windows and threatening other lives, to prove that what happened to Oscar won’t be tolerated? How unintelligent can you be? That car you destroyed could have belonged to a family with no insurance, who now has no way to get to work, take their kids to school, buy groceries to feed their babies…those of you who are saddened, outraged, disgusted by what happened to Oscar (like me) must make your voices heard where it matters most – the city officials, the lawmakers, the people who can effect change. And then you’ll be more powerful, more destructive, more enduring than any riot, smashed windshield or injured police officer.

Dumb*****es who destroy don’t change the world, they only temporarily change their environment – and that’s not change at all.

Alice in BOSSIPLAND

1/8/09, 20:24:pm

I forgot to say good nite Nigala, Me, and ***** sauce.

Abusive Lover "don't fight back it will be over soon.."

1/8/09, 20:25:pm

Bad cop, worst cop scenario – I’ve seen this before it’s cl*****ic.

cj

1/8/09, 20:59:pm

im from oakland an this ***** go down every day they shot my lil patna jodie in the back an he aint get on no ***** cbs RIP young dude god’s got you know an to the people saying ***** that dont even know about the hood shut the ***** up until you walk in are shoes for a mile *****hhhhh eastside oakland we get down ya dig

Mock Rock Star is taking over

1/8/09, 21:28:pm

I hope the genteman that was killed wasn’t some stupid ***** dude because I think it’s high time for us to riot against this corrupt system…but not behind ant Tom, ***** and Harry. In this case it’s cool because I’m sure the guy was unarmed..unless the suspect says, “If U let me up I’m going to kill U” thn he shouldn’t been killed.

Playlist

1/8/09, 21:51:pm

There’ll be hell to pay.

big boss

1/8/09, 22:45:pm

the BART is so ghetto, there are always a bunch of homeless people begging for money on the train, but the damn police don’t do anything about that *****, they only shoot the black people who don’t even do anything

Keisha the Hair Diva

1/8/09, 23:11:pm

I viewed the tape and there was no reason for the cop to pull out a taser or a pistol, so he can toss aside the defense of pulling out the wrong gun.

They give anyone a badge and a gun these days. Trigger happy numbskulls have no business on the police force.

Pulling out a piston on a subdued man is murder in cold blood. With all of those cops present, and a knee pressed firmly against the suspects back is enough to cuff him, and take him to the precint without incident.

I hope this cop gets the chair or life in prison.

Bringthanoize

1/9/09, 03:04:am

The war on terror? Or the war on blacks and the poor?

effycia

1/9/09, 04:13:am

i think they should have rallied in peace. what ppl dont understand when they have riots like that they are just hurting themselves cause those where blacks who owned the cars and stores that were distroyed and it mostlikely was in the inner city where most of them live. ppl of color need to come up with different and better approaches to bias situation. i personally dont know what those approaches should be but i do know that violence vs. violence is not the answer

Josh

1/9/09, 05:03:am

N*ggers are nothing but trouble! Uncivilized *****holes! One of the worst things to EVER happen to this country is when they were shipped here from Africa! BIG MISTAKE!

Exxon300

1/9/09, 08:04:am

Where is that false prophet ***** spitting all that hate about black men?

Exxon300

1/9/09, 08:07:am

You white fold wish you had never brought us from Africa,now you have a African American for your President. The last shall be first and first shall be last.

Film

1/9/09, 08:34:am

JOSH

‘’N*ggers are nothing but trouble! Uncivilized *****holes! One of the worst things to EVER happen to this country is when they were shipped here from Africa! BIG MISTAKE!’’

Oscar Wilde (one of your own) said, ‘Of course America had often been discovered before Columbus, but it had always been hushed up.’

Here’s some education for your *****:

‘We’ (Moors) are the true indigenous people who inhabited the Northwestern and Southwestern Continents (lands) of Ancient Amexem, now called The Americas (North, South, Central and the connecting islands). Historical do*****ents were renamed, and these people (us) and their lands (ours) were intentionally omitted for confusion. Aren’t ‘you’ and ‘your people’ such an egocentric bunch?

America is the prefix of ‘Ame’ xem and the suffix of Af ‘rica’ = ‘Ame’ – ‘rica.’

Moors: The descendants of ancient Moabites and born in America.

Now, you take your melanomas deficient, insensate, obtuse, uncivilized ***** to TMZ.

Film

1/9/09, 08:40:am

Redd Tony

‘One thing for sure that will happen is on 12/21/2012 the earths magnetic field will be gone… once this happens the earth will go through changes…’

‘HOW ARE WE GONNA DEMAND JUSTICE FROM WHITE PEOPLE WHEN WE DONT RESPECT OURSELVES!!!’

I concur!

Bringthanoize

‘The war on terror? Or the war on blacks and the poor?’

Agreed.

Sydney

I hope you’re feeling much better, and you’ve flushed all your problems away (smile).

Tonto

1/9/09, 11:01:am

Film

Tell that ***** to the real indingenous people of America – The Native Americans. You know, the ones who took your people in, gave them shelter as runaway slaves, but only later to be betrayed by your people when they joined the Buffalo Soldiers, who in turn hunted and slaughtered the Native Americans. You blacks and whites are both equally dispicable. Go to Hell!

Dark Cable

1/9/09, 12:10:pm

Negros’s kill each other in our neighborhoods everyday and there’s no riots. This is the case of yet another black on black killing…the only difference is that one of the negros was a cop (a bootleg BART cop).

This cop should be brought to justice but burning up our city isn’t going to do it. Ron Delums, where you at?

BART Officer That Pulled Trigger Resigned |

1/9/09, 12:25:pm

[...] BART police officer that pulled the trigger and sparked another riot based on injustice has resigned: Scheduled to meet with BART police investigators today, the BART [...]

Film

1/9/09, 15:01:pm

Tonto

There was no such thing as racism until enslavement started, and yes ‘some’ of our ancestors were brought into this country as servants, but the Moors (progenies of the Ancient Moabites) had already established their presence.

Some of the Indians did befriend the Buffalo Soldiers (regiment) some time around 1866. Also, John Horse (Black Seminole) developed a friendship with Chief Coacochee (Seminole) after free/runaway slaves from North and South Carolina escaped to Florida. Here, partnerships were established and mixed children were born. You’re right, there was a bond among ‘some’ tribes. But between 1840 and 1860, the biggest ‘killers’ of blacks were the Indians. In fact, the Chickasaw Indians still had slaves two years after the war. The government gave them $300,000.00 to turn slaves free, and give them land, but zilch was received. You see, the Civil War was the dividing line, and that’s when land became more valuable than a slave.

Like I previously stated, the history books excluded detailed information. I know I’m about to perplex you and anyone else who reads these next paragraphs. Some of the truths and secrets of the Western Hemisphere must be exposed.

The name Africa was applied to the continent in modern, historical reconstruction by European sociologists. Today, Central Amexem is known as Central West Africa. The first Ancient Civilization established on the Earth was in Central Amexem/Africa on the Yucatan Peninsula below the Tropic of Cancer. One of the oldest pyramids in the world is the Pyramid of the Sun, which is in the Yucatan. The Yucatan is the true cradle of civilization of the human race, and the Moabites are the founders of that civilization. The Moabites are the mothers and the fathers of the human family. The direct descendants of these dark olive skinned, thick lipped, kinky haired people, are the Moors. The Moors are in economic and social subjugation with the Albions (Europeans), who now occupy the Moorish lands by force and Color Law. The Albions, in turn, labeled the Moors with slave names (negro, colored, Indian, etc.), creating dissociation.

The m*****es of humanity have been misinformed as to the truths about the cradle of civilization by European sociologists. This was done to remove the indigenous people from the land by separation. In order to achieve this, maps and calendars, and history was changed.

*I know you will not believe, but that is what’s so great about freedom of speech.

Freedom

1/9/09, 21:59:pm

Forget the peaceful protests, forget the kind, submissive, p*****ive attempts at protest. Violence is necessary, Violence is necessary. You can not get anything accomplished by peaceful protests. You have to beat the beast at his own game. The fact of the matter is that people are fed up, tired of the same old thing happening over and over again. Black lives are not expendable and black folks have to demand that first. We are living in a society, heck in a world that has been created by someone else at least for the last 400+ years, We can not act in accordance to the limits that are set, we must act with rage and anger to accomplish anything.

oakland

1/9/09, 23:49:pm

Well, her on the news it was just called a protest in the shooting of Oscar Grant. The media just wants to give Oakland a bad name to the rest of society. We who live here no better.

jojoblow

1/10/09, 05:03:am

WHEN A BLACK KILLS A BLACK, OR A WHITE KILLS A WHITE, OR A CITIZEN ANY COLOR KILLS ANYONE…….THEY ARE ARRESTED!!!!!!! JAIL ALOT DIFFERENT THAN A PAID VACATION. AND WE GET WARRANT FOR NOT APPEARING, NOT ABILITY TO QUIT JOB AND AVOID ALL TOGETHER. WHEN PEOPLE GET TOO EMOTIONAL THEY ACT OUT P*****IONATELY. SEE PREGNANT WOMEN OR WOMEN ON THE RAG!!!!!! P*****ION IS THE CAUSE OF A LOT OF UNPLANNED ACTIONS, USUALLY LATER REGRETTED. SEE RED, BLIND FURY, LOSE TEMPER, ALL HUMAN REACTION OR REFLEX. THESE ARE ALL HUMANS EVEN THOUGH NOT BEING TREATED AS SUCH. YOU CAN’T ACT VIOLENT AND EXPECT NON VIOLENCE. LOOK A GAZA, OUR BOYS BUSH SENT AWAY TO DIE. WAR IS NOT PEACEFUL OR NON VIOLENT AND THIS IS NOT ANY DIFFERENT. STUFF IS REPLACEABLE, LIFE IS NOT. THE RIDERS FROM OAKLAND 3 ACQUITTED OF CRIMINAL CHARGES AND ONE RAN OFF(MEXICO)TO AVOID PROSECUTION, LIKE THIS ONE DID. YOU REALLY THINK HE’S IN THE COUNTRY, WAITING TO FACE THE MUSIC, LOL I DON’T, HE’S SOMEWHERE THEY DON’T EXTRADITE RIGHT NOW, COME ON BE REAL!!!! TELL ME WHERE WAS THE JUSTICE THEN. I AM NOT CONDONING RIOTS BUT AM HUMAN SO CAN UNDERSTAND HOW IT EX. IF THIS IS THE SIGNIFICANT REFORM IMPLEMENTED TO OAKLAND PD. AS ASK FOR BY 119 PEOPLE ABUSED BY RIDERS, THEN…… I’M SCARED BECAUSE WERE IN TROUBLE. THE POLICE APPEAR TO BE A GANG ABOVE THE LAW WE ARE EXPECTED TO LIVE BY. I AM EMOTIONAL AND BECOMING MORE ENRAGED AT PROCESS BEING USED THAT’S WHY I’M YELLING. WE ARE USING WAR FOR CHANGE ABROAD, AND EXPECTING IT TO WORK. WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE WITH PEOPLE DEFENDING THEMSELVES AGAINST TERRORISTS HERE??

jojoblow

1/10/09, 05:07:am

I CAN UNDERSTAND HOW IS ESCALATED.

hustlebunni

1/11/09, 01:45:am

sO aS SSON AS i SEEN IT ON THE NEWS i RUSHED DOWN THERE AND IT WAS CRAZY ..HELLA WHITE ANTARCHIST THROWING BOTTLES AND YELLIN AT THE COPS SETTIN ***** ON FIRE….AND THA YOUNG STAS WERE INCREDIABLE HULKING ALL THE CARS ON THE STREET…NO JUSTICE NO PEACE

rich city gurl

1/13/09, 15:52:pm

richmond, cali..! yeeee!

solobolo

1/18/09, 20:51:pm

there are so many teens and little kids out here packing with guns, joining the 2-11 and M.O.B.; yea, someone gets shot in oakland like almost everyday..but, bart police’ or police period killing an unarmed man..thats a whole different subject..

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