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Sad when those who are supposed to protect are the ones you have to fear!!!

I couldnt tell from the video who shot the dude, but there was NO need for it!

They should still be able to investigate him and this accident properly although he resigned.

Hey!!! FIRST!!!

If you get put on administrative leave with pay during an investigation and you happen to choose to resign instead, it would raise a lot of eyebrows, no?

How bout all the officers who may possibly shoot an unarmed, cooperative black male, resign ahead of time.

Quite perplexing how a man lying face down ends up dead!

first, he shoots an innocent man..then he pleads his 5th amendment right to not say anything then he quits his job…

his actions just said it all..

i want that as a t-shirt….good morning RE =]

THAT MOFO SHOULD BE KILLED TOO!!

I agree DICooper!? Something about that just don’t add up!

Condolences to the Grant family, it’s truly a sad sad end to a man’s life.

May that cop be unmercifully punished.

This wouldn’t happen if you people would just behave yourselves and disperse when ordered to.

Being a police officer is the only job that I know of where you can kill someone innocent and get suspended with pay (vacation)and have the option to resign or keep your job.

There is also a case in Texas where an officer shot a young man in his drive way after accusing him of stealing a car that turned out to be his car..The dumb ass obviously didn’t bother to check registration..And guess what? He’s currently suspended with pay while this young man is in the hospital with a bullet lodged in his liver.

Did you guys see the videos?

http://www.ktvu.com/video/18406962/index.html

Damn, he is hanging the city out to dry. You know they are the ones who will foot the bill for the shooting and his actions are ensuring the family will get a big fat settlement all while he isn’t even cooperating with agency whose butt he hung out to dry with his reckless actions.

Put a http://www. before ktvu.com/video/18406962/index.html cuz the link is awaiting moderation

Dat’s straight up unacceptable, I can’t believe they are not moving fast enough to punish this ragedy ass cop for killing a unarmed man. Isn’t the videos that are being posted not enough to demolish his ass…Wake the F*ck up! If it was the other way around they would had have a warrent out for the blacks cop arrest immediately!

Resigning doesn’t get him out of trouble. I’m sure his lawyer told him to hell with paid leave. He has to quit or he would be forced to give a statement to his employer. Now he doesn’t have to and he shouldn’t because it would only serve to incriminate him. I’m sure he will stay quiet until a plea deal can be worked out. There is no way he is getting off scott free on this one.

@ memchee, agreed on that one!

From the video you can see the man on his stomach, with 2 cops on his back. The one that shot him stands up with his gun outstretched while the other cop is still on his back. Then ‘BOOM’ the standing cop shoots the guy and the other cop gets up and starts looking around like WTF? You can even see the other guy they were trying to arrest sitting on the side of all this (with his hands in the air the whole time) looking just as stunned like he might be next!

Strange indeed how you can end up dead on your stomach with a bullet in your back all while cooperating.

@ Officer Cherry
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Deadly force is only to be used when there is an immediate, deadly threat. I have not watched the video yet myself but from the news and others, the man was lying on the ground handcuffed and posed no immediate deadly threat. Thus, there was no need for deadly force. And, by chance if he was acting up on the train there was no need for him to die for that unextreme behavior.

@ Blacksmith…….SMH…..DAMN that’s Effed up!!! Makes me physically sick!

He would probably be safer staying on the force. He’s free game now! Get him Left Coast! Pig

STEFANY

Being a police officer is the only job that I know of where you can kill someone innocent and get suspended with pay (vacation)and have the option to resign or keep your job.

There is also a case in Texas where an officer shot a young man in his drive way after accusing him of stealing a car that turned out to be his car..The dumb ass obviously didn’t bother to check registration..And guess what? He’s currently suspended with pay while this young man is in the hospital with a bullet lodged in his liver.
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You forgot to mention that young man is white and the son of a professional or former professional athlete.

DAyum shame if anyone saw the vidoe they shot the man while he was handcuffed ????? How can you do that like he was a animal. This dude is Not going to survive romming the streets of LA he better turn his self in on criminal charges. This is so sad for all involved. The young mans family and the officers family as well, they all live with the consquences of this mans actions. GOD BE WITH THEM ALL~

You late as hell bossip. He resigned on Wednesday

yea thats why i feel this young man was executed. you saw two cops on his back, hands behind his back. unable to defend himself. then you see this cop stand up, weapon drawn and fire a round off into his back. this was no justifiable shooting. a cop executed a human being, BUT gets to resign to keep his benefits. yea let a brother have done this to a young white boy with a 4 year old daughter. the media would be constantly show pictures of the deceased with his daughter to get sympathy for the family. crosses would be burning all over LA & the black cop would have been fired and in lock up in gen pop

That’s not good enough. They need to prosecute him “to the fullest extent of the law”… he committed murder. that’s it. that’s all. The sentencing will depend on whether his lawyer can back up the claim that he shot Oscar Grant by accident (it would’ve helped his case if he had at least released a statement or cooperated with investigation…).

@ I got it like that & Swagger

This didn’t happen in L.A.
L.A. and Oakland are almost 380 miles apart

I guess all the other gang members should take note: If you really wanna kill your enemies and get away free of charges, just take the test and join the police department. If you can’t pass that test you can even try for the transit cop position. They carry guns as well.

Sarcasm***

F#$K resigning, he needs to get his ass thrown in jail

Bossip soon as think y’all are CONFORMIST!

Bossip said: “F*ck a Thug ass Cop too.”

Seriously I would be interested to have ‘fire side’ chats about police brutality, crime in urban areas, about the government flooding certain areas with drugs, reverse stings.

You ever wonder why everytime a Black man is shot by the police he has the same 38.special clinching to his lifeless body that every blackman in this country has in his hand when he is killed by the police? It’s like they mail that SET-UP gun around the world when they f**k up using their hair trigger fingers. I would like the panel to be non-politically or religious affilated (wo)men of all colors and from all walks of life. I would like to hear this panel speak with police departments in every major city. I’m not sure if that would happen. Law & Order is big business as lucrative as prostitution and gambling…The only way to go is POLICE STATE. I hope not but I see the signs. Nothing religious about it—It’s politics, the class war is in full effect.

Someone needs to POP OFFICER CHERRY…

grillfixer:

They were passing the stop because there was a protest out there and people were blocking the entrances. They still went out to the next stop which wouldn’t be considered to be “safe” by white people. So while I understand your anger, they did that as a safety measure. Nothing to do with white people because a majority of the people that get off on that stop aren’t white.

@ Mrs Rance
The victim in Texas (outside Belaire) wasn’t white, he was Robbie Tolan the son of retired baseball player Bobbie Tolan. Believe me this wouldn’t have happened to a white man there.

As for that piece of trash in Oakland I hope they prosecute him as the murderer his is. My sympathy goes out to the Grant family.

STEFANY

Being a police officer is the only job that I know of where you can kill someone innocent and get suspended with pay (vacation)and have the option to resign or keep your job.

There is also a case in Texas where an officer shot a young man in his drive way after accusing him of stealing a car that turned out to be his car..The dumb ass obviously didn’t bother to check registration..And guess what? He’s currently suspended with pay while this young man is in the hospital with a bullet lodged in his liver.
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You forgot to mention that young man is white and the son of a professional or former professional athlete.

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Yea, but the point is it just amazes me how a cop can kill or shoot someone and be treated like the victim..Even when they’re in the wrong they it’s never a situation where they get automacically fired or put in jail, they have to be second guessed and investigated to see if there’s anyway the person who got shot can be blamed.

Anyone who comments regarding this young man deserved it, I just hope something like this happens to your family and see how you feel. If you saw the videos which it is very cleared this office committed MURDER, the man was laying on his stomach, what kind of danger to the police was he? Absolutely none, I pray that one day our black men are viewed as human beings and not an animal targeted for a killing.

@ Mrs Rance
The victim in Texas (outside Belaire) wasn’t white, he was Robbie Tolan the son of retired baseball player Bobbie Tolan. Believe me this wouldn’t have happened to a white man there.

As for that piece of trash in Oakland
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@RONI

I didn’t think this man was white because I heard Tom Joyner talking about this earlier this week and I don’t remeber them metioning the fact this man was white.

Only here in America can a killer be caught on tape murdering someone in cold blood, resign and keep benefits, hire a lawyer, put into protective custody, still haven’t been brought in for even questioning, hasn’t been processed, hasn’t seen a judge, doesn’t need to post bail, and just chilling until this situation boils over. The LEAST thing that should’ve been done was him being brought in with cuffs, finger printed, processed, stay in jail overnight waiting on the judge, bail should’ve been set to 500,000 dollars. If he posted bail while they are investigating then that makes more sense. How is he able to not even be brought in when you already have the identity of the suspect? Here it is 9 days later and this man is still chillin? They wonder why people are going made in Oakland? Possibly because they been writing letters to congress, been holding peaceful gatherings, been parading the streets for justice, been mourning. Still no answers…..9 days later. The news is barely showing coverage. This story gets 30 seconds and the riots get a full minute while Jett Travolta gets 5minutes of memorial pics.

The reason he’s not talking is b/c he knows he’s going to face some form of murder or manslaughter charges. Resignation is his way of pleading the 5th. Speaking will only incriminate him further, so it’s up to the State to perform it’s own investigation to help develop the officers State of Mind during the time of the shooting.

First Degree Murder would be hard to prove b/c I believe the State would not be able to prove the defendants requisite state of mind for Murder 1. The likely charge in the state of CA is 3rd Degree Murder. Look for the Defense to argue that they can’t get a fair trial in Alameda County and try to get the trial moved to a mostly white suburb. They will also try to play up PTSD since the now ex-cop did 2 or 3 tours in Iraq.

This one is going to be a doozy folks, but if all else fails, he’s going to do at least 12-15 years for violating the civil rights of Mr. Grant. The Feds will get him.

shiiiyyyaattt

I THINK ALL WE NEED TO DO IS CONTINUE RIOTING AND DESTROYING OTHER PEOPLE’S FAMILY BUSINESSES. LET’S BURN DOWN EVERYTHING SO THE GOVERNMENT CAN RAISE TAXES AND MAKE US PAY FOR IT IN THE LONG RUN! RIOTING IS ALWAYS A POSITIVE ANSWER.

Daddyo

I wish everyone knew and understood the system like you do.

Like those people that let the police take their cellphones on NYE. If people knew their rights and all that, we’d have more footage of what happened.

@Noni!

Actually, it happens (more than you think) to whites in Tx.!

Recently, an older white man(that was supposedto be a CIA agent),was shot in Houston,at his car.

There is also a gentleman that was shot 15 times in the back.(they said that he attacked them with a screwdriver). 15 TIMES IN THE BACK!

THE REASONS THAT POLICE USE DEADLY FORCE

It’s always been my question that ALL deadly force is excessive! (The police choose to use bullets,instead of RUBBER BULLETS, to subdue) They also SHOOT TO KILL,instead of shoot to subdue! My opinion would be to shoot a person in a NON-LIFE THREATENING MANNER,i.e.~ legs,then gas/pepper.

We should attack the reason WHY we permit this type force! Too many black lives. Too many possible Obamas. (GET IT PEOPLE?) wE actually have the power to make this change happen!

We have the ball!

think

@ Ryan

Just a little bit of understanding, may curb your carcasim!

Or alittle bit of displacement eh?
(meaning, try having your child shot in the back) Would you go ageshit?

think

Yall gotta understand the police have procedures put in place for situations like this..I have never heard in Police wrongful death situations guilty or not the officer is tried immediatly..People need to let the investigation commence..People are drawing up conclusions of what has happend off two to three videos that dont provide clear account of what has happenend..

I understand everyones anger, but seriously the anger should be against the Police Departments that train these officers..These officers are NOT trained to take the time to think..The entry level exams of being an officer is purely consist of situational questions! These police departments want men and women that act first and ask questions later..Thats why officer is not in jail…So technically the root of the problem lies in who administers these tests. THE STATE! They are mostly uniform all across the country.. Prince George County, Maryland officers kill or wound the most civilians in the country..yet Ive never heard of any officer being indicted on a life sentence and rarley involuntary manslaughter..The system is set up that way..The answer is not hanging the officer but protesting who trains these officers! THE STATE!

Ryan G:

Not to mention the likelyhood of those family businesses being rebuilt is slim. As of right now it’s just windows (no excuse) and the city is going to help this businesses, so that’s good. BUT if we start burning shit down there are greedy mofos that just want gentrify and push the people out.

When will this stop?

So now ALL you THUGS out there making youtube videos about killing Niccas, carry-n the toast & so on…go out there & handle some REAL business. You see what it is….where are the I bust my gun for whatever type dudes right now? We need you in Oakland..

there is a big difference between the polive force and the army. in the army,..the act first,ask later approach is necessary when you have bullets flying at you from every conceivable angle. even with the police,if you’re getting shot at, then shooting back is only logical. however, i see no reason why pulling out your firearm as a cop would even cross your mind when the suspect in question is face down and handcuffed behind his back.

though the exams and training these officers go through may not adequately prepare them for real life situations (as red tony said),…common sense should prevail in such situations.the ability to assess the situation and thus decide on what level of force is necessary should come natural to someone who has played such scenarios in his mind a million time aka a cop. 1)Mr Grant was not a contortionist for Cirque du Soliel,or some super soldier…..2)a taser and a pistol are completely dissimilar.

@Encycopedia Brown

It stops when we collectively want it to!

think

@Rebellion

Actually, it’s a little deeper than that! Look at the type person that pulls you over. He’s/she’s the type that really couldn’t do what they wanted. Or the : (professional doorman)

There ARE exceptions!
For the most part, cops are PICKED. You have to fit a certain type.
Can you kill indiscrimenately? Without remorse? Little training is needed!

think

http://www.ktvu.com.
I have read every post set this morning and I’m a resident of the wonderful Oakland, CA. this crime, and YES it is a crime, of murder has hit us hard. And unlike most parts of the county you may not be able to see the coverage that we have. Just as if it had happen in your hometown, we may only be able to get bits and pieces. But I have included a link of our local station that has had every one involved in this case, trying to bring to this crime to a justifiable end. Please BOSSIP let this post stay so that the world can see what we here in Oakland are doing to start making our protractors (meaning cops) really protect us.

I say,

Handcuff his ass, lay him face down, put a knee on his neck, then shoot him in the back. If he lives he then gets to go to jail. If he is paralyzed he still has to go to jail, and if he dies, then he is lucky….

@MissNee, i hear u, but it’s not about who get’s on n off @ that stop, it’s how the media or news did there story, u think they were talking to u? saying it wasn’t safe? n ur picture u look like someone who the protester’s wouldn’t have said ne thing 2! so it was about white folk’s cause CNN wasn’t talking to black’s matter of fact u should know that ur watching the game ur not in the game as a black person, i don’t care who u r, the main stream media is talking to main street, sorry u don’t get it!

@Rebellion

So do you beleive not for one second that the officer could have pulled the wrong weapon?

Being as though Metro police hardley get any action locking people up on the regular….

Also being human, we sometimes briefly mistaken our left from our right sometimes?

@JK

JK, I think the outcome will be different now that it has been established that the officer served 3 or 4 tours in Iraq during wartime. I’m not sure if this was a racial incident anymore.

@YOu smell me….

Right?

@GOD

The outcome being what?

@GOD

Not exactly getting your statement. Please explain.

Question to the Police:

If you were put here to protect us then who protects us from you???

What I find most appalling is the fact that the cop has not been charged with ANY crime. Prosecuters are way too crooked in the way they handle cases involving those in law enforcement that they lose all credibility. I am so sick and tired of the double standards in the [in]Justice System.

grillfixer:

I wasn’t talking about the medias perception of what was going on I was telling you the real deal reason why they didn’t stop the train. Knowing how the bart station is set up and as many people that were there and as many people get off at that station it would have been a giant nightmare to control. When people are blocking entrances it backs shit up on the platform.

Again I know how the media works. I wasn’t born yesterday, I was just countering the BS reporting.

btw grill…though I am a black female, that’s jay-z in the picture

Police are not here to serve and protect, that is a bastard cliche, that was used to make them seem community oriented..

They are here to uphold the law…

@ Lady Architect

I must co-sign your statement:

” Only here in America can a killer be caught on tape murdering someone in cold blood, resign and keep benefits, hire a lawyer, put into protective custody, still haven’t been brought in for even questioning, hasn’t been processed, hasn’t seen a judge, doesn’t need to post bail, and just chilling until this situation boils over.”

A total outrage!!!!! and you better believe that if this shooting was not caught on video the police would have come up with some slick story about how Oscar Grant resisted arrest and Oscar Grant appeared to reach for a weapon in his pocket… This is exactly why NWA sang “F… the Police”

@MissNee LOL LMAO, sorry i din’t know that it was a picture of J, damnnnn I’m like MissNee might getr harrassed @ the station, they might think u gonna blow that shit up!! lookin like u got a bomb, now that is funny!! lol just kidding

@Redd Tony

I’m not sure if you’re just filling the roll of devil’s advocate right now or not. BUT whereas in the past you’ve usually come across a person who is at least capable of critical thought right now you are not sounding very ‘aware’.

The double standards used by prosecuters when an officer breaks the law is outrageous. If it had been you or I who shot a cop(or anyone for that matter) in the back on video they would have us under the jail by now.

TELEVISION SHOWS,AND HOW WE VIEW MURDER AS A WHOLE

The bulk of society doesn’t really see how the (majority) of America views death. They want to feel that they are being protected from the (evil-doer’s. The people that don’t look like them.)Hence ,you have shows like CSI Miami,and the lot! These shows are watched by the average American that goes to work 9 or 10 hours and day, feeds the wife/husband,kisses the kids,and goes to bed at 10,not having time to THINK about what’s being done in the world! He was being GROOMED to except MURDER! He even thinks that it’s ok, because he doesn’t have to see personally. He’s also fine,because his motgage is due.

So! When police kill, it MUST be the correct thing.I mean, why would the police murder some innocent guy? THIS IS WHAT YOUR CSI MIAMI’S,AND all your other shows do for you!

Neat trick!

think

typo…mortgage

@grillfixer!

Wow …What apathy!!

You are the black black person that i read about! The one that HAS GIVEN UP!

You are indeed the majority. But i like your honesty.

think

But then again I understand that this type of action is “standard operating procedure” for some of our uniformed units in Iraq and Afghanistan.

I wonder how many Iraqi’s officer Cherry murdered in like manner. Maybe he was just doing what our government trained and encouraged him to do and he forget that he was no longer in Iraq but now in California.

@Bear

Ill be back to answer..gotta roll for a minute

THAT GUY WENT TO MY HIGH SCHOOL!! I CANT BELIEVE THIS IS ON BOSSIP, I JUST FOUND OUT ABOUT THIS YESTERDAY!

R.I.P. OSCAR

Redd Tony,
I’m starting to think that you talking is just to start something in this post. I surely hope that you are not that ignorant to think “he merely made a mistake between his gun and his taser” That’s the same crap the media was trying to say right after they forgot to say how Grant was already handcuffed on the ground. In such a fatal moment how do you forget left and right? If someone had been shooting at him would he have pulled out the taser? Beyond that let’s back track and ask was there even a need for a taser? Let’s back track some more and say was there even a need to slam him on the floor? On even the bluriest video you can see his hands up in surrender position. (Sarcasm) maybe he said, with his hands up, “I’m gonna shoot you officer” Sure… On top of that you had that heavy cop with his knee on his neck, his spinal cord for that matter. With that alone he could not have reach for any type of weapon with the disconnection of nerves. That’s common sense. I only watched 1 video and gained all of that on my own.

SO WHAT HE QUIT HIS JOB, WHAT YOU DID TO THAT YOUNG MAN IS VERY HORRIBLE, SO QUICK TO BE TRIGGA HAPPY AND SHOOT AND KILL A MAN THAT IS IN HANDCUFFS AND IS POSING NO THREAT TO THIS CRACKER ASS OFFICER I BET IT MADE YOUR DAY TO KILL A NIGGA I HOPE YOU CAN SLEEP AT NIGHT, LOOK AT YOUR KIDS OR LOVED ONES IF THAT HAPPENED TO THEM HOW WOULD YOU FEEL. THAT IS WHY I KNOW THAT SLAVERY IS STILL ALIVE AND IS IN FULL FORCE THIS IS A GOOD EXAMPLE OF WHITE POLICE OFFICERS KILLING OUR BLACK MEN. AND GUESS WHAT WORLD IT WONT BE THE LAST, IT’S JUST THE NEXT KILLING WILL BE COVERED UP THEY WILL SAY THAT THE YOUNG MAN HAD A GUN AND THEY FELT THREATENED, SO THEY HAD TO SHOOT HIM AND THEN THE SAD PART ABOUT IT IS THAT THEY WILL PLACE THE GUN THERE, EVEN THOUGH THERE WILL BE HUNDREDS OF PEOPLE TELLING THE PUBLIC THAT THIS GENTLEMAN DID NOT HAVE A GUN. WAKE UP PEOPLE IT IS TIME TO TAKE A STAND AGAINS POLICE BRUTALITY IF WE DONT STAND FOR NOTHING WE WILL FALL FOR ANYTHING. NOW DONT GET ME WRONG THERE ARE PEOPLE OUT THERE DOING CRAZY SHIT AND NEED TO BE PUT IN JAIL AND MY HAT GOES OFF TO THE POLICE OFFICERS WHOM ARE DOING AN HONES JOB, BUT WE HAVE MORE OFFICERS THAT PICK ON YOUTHS FOR NO REASON WE HAVE OFFICERS THAT PULL BLACK MEN OVER ESPECIALLY IF THEY HAVE A NICE CAR AND GIVE THEM TICKETS FOR NO REASON AND THEY HAVE HONEST JOBS THAT PAY FOR THE CARS THEY DRIVE. POLICE OFFICERS THINK THAT ALL BLACK YOUTHS CELL DRUGS, SO THAT JUSTIFY THEIR BEHAVOIRS, WE DO HAVE MEN OUT THEIR WORKING AN HONES JOB TO MAKE AN HONES LIVING, TO THE OFFICER I DONT CARE ABOUT HOW YOU FEEL RIGHT NOW BECAUSE WHAT YOU DID TO THAT YOUNG MAN IS HORRIFIC, AND HIS FAMILY HAS TO LIVE WITH THAT THE REST OF THEIR LIVES. IF YOU CANT TRUST THE POLICEMEN WHO ARE SUPPOSE TO PROTECT AND SERVE OUT COMMUNITIES NOT KILL OFF OUR COMMUNITIES THEN WHO CAN YOU TRUST.

I find it strange that all these so-called thugs are quick to kill another nigga and lay down their lives over some bullshit, always talkin’ about KEEPIN’ IT REAL…Yet this type of shit continues to go on all over the country with these cops. Shit.. in someplace like Mexico this “pig” would have been in little pieces in the streets by now.

@ Grillfixer

Don’t think one minute that i don’t feel you brutha!

But, what you have is the “but what can i do” disease! That’s an easy place to live! DO I UNDERSTAND? HELL YES! Brutha, it’s easy to you what you gotta do , to keep YOU goin! What i’m tryin to say is: WE ARE YOUR BROTHERS KEEPER!

Please sroll up,and look at my other post. I talk about it!
I admire you for DOIN YOU…AND HAVING THE TYPE JOB TO SET YOU FREE. I just wish that we come to each other’s aid in a different way!

What if King didn’t march?

cops do this ish every day seem like i dont trust em dont like em hell they are not only doin this to us they doin this to all races too they really need to check folks out befor they let em have a badge and a gun
thoughts and prayers go out the the Grant fam

Yes, I feel the shooting is the worst thing that could happen to a person black or white in this situation, however where are all these protesters when an innocent person is shot in a gang drive by?(and everybody in the hood knows who did it and will not tell!!!!!). where was all the outrage when an old lady was almost beat to death in the Diamond district of Oakland because she was digging in a garbage can that drug dealers use to stash there drugs? Where is all this outrage to get crack houses and drug dealers out of the hood? The dump-ass people are fighting OPD and they had nothing to do with the shooting!!!! The officer will be handled what are the people going to do with the rest of the City?

Patrick Cotton,
Yes, I feel the shooting is the worst thing that could happen to a person black or white in this situation, however where are all these protesters when an innocent person is shot in a gang drive by?(and everybody in the hood knows who did it and will not tell!!!!!).
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I feel what you are saying and agree with most of what you are saying. We can look and talk from the outside of people that do not reports, but at the same you never know what’s really going on. I think it’s ignorant the whole “no snitching” thing, but theres also people who are genrally scared to tell police because many of them get brushed off or many get handed a complaint paper to fill out and the police never follow up on it. In fact when you do report such a killing or something where you fear for your life you are suppose to be placed in police protection. Read up on that whole family that was executed because the son witnessed a gang murder and reported it to police. They took out the man and his whole family who were in “police protection” at the time. Read about all the cases in Cali where people reported things and turn up in a garbage bag. You can find these instances in almost every state especially big cities where people are naturally scared because police rather shoot innocent people than protect the ones who are reporting crimes in their neighborhoods.

@ Patrick Cotton

I’m not clear on what you want from the people. Should the people in Oakland NOT do what they are doing? Explain!

Shoulds they not do what they are doing because they didn’t react the way that they should’ve in earlier incidences?

think

@Tiray

King marched non-violently for years…The question is, are our people willing to do the same FOR YEARS?..Because one march is not going to change anything!

@Red Tony

Did his actions warrent death? (when handcuffed?)

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think

@Red Tony

LOL!! Please read my whole post! LOL! It wasn’t about marching at all! LOL!

Red Tony
I was talking about the apathy of our race!

Tiray:

The people of Oakland should have the same reaction to an older lady being beat in the streets. OUTRAGE.

I live blocks from where this lady was beat and it was senseless and should spark outrage cause you know what? That could have been one of us.

I don’t think Patrick is saying they shoudn’t be angry and outraged (The destruction of businesses especially those that are minority owned is not acceptable and a form of divide and conquer) but people need to have the same outrage when it’s a regular citizen.

I know one angle people keep coming out with is it’s different because the police are there to protect and serve (true) but I was also taught to respect and protect my neighborhood. I was taught that I need to have respect for my brothers and sisters and part of that respect is not hurting my people or my community. Which is what rioting and the sensless killing that goes on does.

We will never fully be able to combat the shit that happens to our community till we can get many that live here on the same path. No self destruction.

@ Kym G

My car was trashed too and the fools that did it went on and attacked a brother in a cab. Senseless BS and they claim they are out there doing this for Oscar.

@Tiray

No Oscars actions didnt warrant death..in handcuffs

Did you not read my post?

You brought up King, and I thought of non-violent protest thats all…

@Reign

I totally agree…but we have to stop killing each other first…

@ MISSNEE

I totally hear you! I said what i said as to NOT diminish the crime of police on black !Ofcourse we should start with ourselves. Ofcourse! What i never wanna say is: YES THE COP DID WRONG,BUT WHAT DID THE BOY DO? THE BOY IS DEAD! HE’S NOT COMING BACK! AND EVEN IF HE WAS CURSING THEM OUT AT THE TOP OF HID LUNGS,OR EVEN HIT THE COP BEFORE,he should never have been KILLED!

You remind me of the times when homosexual people relate their “plight” to the black experience!…2 different things! So is this! BLACK ON BLACK CRIME DOESN’T GIVE POLICE THE RIGHT TO TAKE BLACK LIVES!

think

@Tiray

“BLACK ON BLACK CRIME DOESN’T GIVE POLICE THE RIGHT TO TAKE BLACK LIVES”!

No it does not give them a right to take black lives! But if you are going to protest racism and police brutality, but do nothing to stop the carnage in your own community, who will you have with you to fight? We cant even get along with each other?!?!

Think!

@ Red Tony

Hey bro! What do you think should happen? I know it’s hard to think angry. This has been our problem sense slavery.

I said that to you because, dispite what happening in America…We ARE WINNING!

EXPLANATION 101

We have a ne administration in 36 days.
White males will be on a rampage.
They will do whatever they had to do to keep SOME resemblance of power!

Yes,they will get a few of us along the way…..BUT WE ARE WINNING!

think

My older bro Redd toney be speaking that real shit, wat up?

Tiray:

And when do anyone say that black on black crimes give police the right to do this??? Please do not attempt to put words in my mouth

I cleary said that we need to have the same outrage and anger when it’s one of our own doing it to us. PERIOD. No one said it gave the right to anyone to do anyting. I was not comparing the two in the regards that you seem to have in your head.

They both warrent ACTION.

@ Red Tony

Contrary to what most think! We can and DO get along with eachother on our living areas! The majority of blacks are law abiding citizens! Please don’t let afew determine how we think! If we do, we tend to adopt the COP mentality without noticing!

think

Okay first of all:yes I am black, yes I am honored to be black and yes I do love myself. That being said: accountability. If you are detained:sit down and follow instructions. If you are handcuffed: you couldn’t sit down and follow instructions so you were FURTHER detained. The officer reaching for his taser / gun did so because he was looking to FURTHER detain this person who is STILL not seated as he was asked. Had he not been “aggitated” and had he just had a seat as the other two males OBVIOUSLY were doing..he could be alive today. No I do not think $25M is reasonable nor do I think it is warranted. I think that with all of the video posts of it and the fact that the actions of both the deceased and the officer speak on the situation that it was a turn of unfortunate events that has left one family mourning and another quite possibly fearing for their lives.

Ignorance and gluttony I will never defend.

Because you know what? I take black on black crime more personally because we should know better than to do that to each other.

And don’t turn this into me justifying anything that officer did, because i’m not. But it’s hard to fight something when your own damn community can’t even get on the same page.

MsD2U,
What video did you watch? You are full of ignorance in just one post.

@Tiray

So are you saying because we have Black President its all good?

I beg to differ with your synopsis on the white male rampage part..The only white people that are going to be on a rampage is white people born before 1950..aint too many of them…Other than that, I can say the majority of white accept a Black Pres. There are racist younger whites too, but you gotta understand a lot of them are a hip hop crowd…

You dont know my take on politics, so Ill keep my views on the Barack threads..But I will say that just because Barack is Pres dont mean he is calling the shots and it doesnt mean the Federal Reserve run by white Jews still dont have this country by the balls!

@MissNEE

Yes! They both warrent action.

Let’s try to separate the 2 things.

Truthfully Miss NEE! ( i hate to play the woulda,shoulda game, but…her goes!)

If every black was like jesus, there would still be blacks murdered in the streets for no reason.

AS A BLACK PERSON…..
Think about how many times that police have done something to you that was unwarrented?

YES WE DO WRONG….But let’s not put the 2 together!
They NEGATE each other!
(Weather you think so or not,that’s the same divide and conquer tool that whites have DEFINED us by!)

think

What up Pedro lil bro! Im chillin…You holdin down Harlem?

MS D2

Ewwww!

@Tiray

In no way am I catorizing all of us as no good niggaz…But it must be a collective effort if we want a betterment of our race…

Yep im holdin it down all day b ,

u the older bro right so ima ask ya this , woulda think about marcus garvey’s
“back to africa movement ” ? Do you think blacks (americans/blk latino /caribbeans ) are really going back IF africa gets 10x better ?

So are you saying because we have Black President its all good?

______________________________________________________?

LOL No brutha! LOL! ?

EDUCATION 101:
gO TO STORMFRONT.COM FOR THE real education! Brutha, there are white websites that are out to get us!

yES, IT STARTs with us, but we have to realize who’s out there. YES WE DO WRONG……YES WE DO WRONG….IRANIANS DO WRONG. JEWS DO WRONG. WE ALL DO WRONG! police are killing us.
Be a real G , and please don’t do the ole switcher-roo……

they’re killing us

@ Tiray

Wat up b , wats gd ?

@ Redd Tony

Nothing wrong with calling for us to have self-accountability but you are WAYYYYYYY off point with that because having self-accountability has nothing to do with cooperating with police officers and still being shot in your back while defenselessly lieing face down on the floor.

If you were really ‘aware’ you’d be calling for SELF-ACCOUNTABILITY from these crooked cops and prosecuters who view their gun and badge as a license to execute and/or assault whomever they choose and their colleagues who turn a blind eye and corroborate the outlandish lies they make up to justify their actions. You ever thought about that?

If you were alive during Jim Crow times would you have blamed blacks’ lack of self-accountability for Klu Klux Klan lynchings?

You problem is that you living under the common illusion the *”you’re so smart and so different from everyone else that something like that could never happen to you”*

I got news for you: If this could happen to Oscar it could happen to ANY one of us!!!

I would love to hear you talk about us needing to be more self-accountable AFTER a crooked cop bust a cap from his 9mm in your REDD ass for no apparent reason.

grillfixer,
Your comment is somewhat obnoxious. It’s almost as if you are saying as a people we are only allowed to go to a 9-5 and home. If we go anywhere else we are responsible for possibly getting killed. Would it have been you feel better if Oscar was in a suit coming from the Opera? He was out on New Years eve celebrating like the rest of the millions of people of every color do every year. He was on a mass transit system with hindreds of other people who had alcohol in their systems. Perhaps it would’ve been better had he driven his vehicle? Let me do a run down since you assume that these things happen to people that “obviously” are looking for trouble:

Sean Bell- leaving his bachelor party thrown at a PUBLIC club.

The Texas guy- shot in his own driveway over a vehicle that belonged to him, but wasn’t checked until after he was shot.

The young man that “committed suicide” during a routine traffic stop says the officer.

Years ago- a man pulled over in his benz knocked to the ground, beaten, and cuffed over a “stolen” vehicle that couldn’t possibly be his. Plates were never ran until after they had him in a holding cell. They called it mistaken identity. He was a CEO of his own business.

@ Red Tony @ Miss Nee

Do you want a list of NON GHETTO blacks that have died at the hands of the police?

think

Tiray:

And I will truthfully tell you I have encountered more bullshit in my neighborhood from my own people then anytime i’ve dealt with police. Of course i’m a female and we all know the black male is the crown jewel, so I will get hassled less then my brothers do(My actual blood brothers…one constantly gets harassed by police)

And I do separate the two things. Do I need to draw a diagram to show you how I do?

I feel like in your own little way you are justifying why we shouldn’t be just as upset at violence within our community. I know mothers that have no children left because of it. Is that not a reason to be outraged? A mother not having one single son left due to the violence in the community? Should I just tell her that we’re gonna do wrong to each other and not to get upset about it?

@Pedro

What’s up brutha!!!

@Pedro

I think Marcus Garvey was ambitious with the notion but he had no realistic plan…

I definitely think it COULD be a good thing..But the negative would outweight the postive to me..

I beleive it would be a lack of leadership with the initiative, a power struggle

Lauguage barriers, too many cultural differences…

Besides you go too many Americans that cant even grasp the idea of leaving the states…

I guess a Back to Africa movement is still just a dream…

@ MISSNEE!

LOL! Respectfully, when a bossip post comes up that says: Problems in the black community,i’ll post all over it! LOL! this post is the guy that got his back blown apart while cuffed by po-po!Let’s look at this case separately, WITHOUT brings our personal experiences in..(whew! hell, that’s hard for me too)

Let’s address this!

think

@ Redd tony

i fell u on that dogg, and plus africans and black americans dont really got on were im from , do u have africans in your sides ?

@Tiray

Yeah dogg im just here , im normally on the beyonce , rhiana threads what get like 1000+ comments , but i sometimes peep in on the ones about black crime , black families

typo without bringing

Tiray:

you said they’re killing us

Since you’re want me to produce a list. I want you to produce a list that of every black male that died at the hands of a police officer. Doesn’t matter the circumstances and I will also produce a list of the many friends, family members and others that have lost their lives over nonsense in the neigborhood and we’ll compare whos really killing us. They put the system in place, it’s our choice whether we let that system sweep us up or not.

And you can come at me with “that’s what whitey wants you to think” but it ain’t gonna change my mind.

@missnee!

NOOOO! I said i’ll produce the list. The list of black great people that have died at the hands of the police!

The funniest thing to me in every post that has been on this subject is how quick someone comes in the post and talk about “well I see black on black crime everyday” or “well look at how quick we kill eachother” as if it’s some type of excuse why other people are killing us. As if it can really explain why this officer took this man’s life. When there’s a black on black crime you don’t see ppl in the post saying “well look how white people always killed us and still killing us” or “look at how cops are killing us of just as much” As a matter a fact go to a blog where a black man murders a white man. You’ll never see someone in there say “look at all these shootings that we create” or “look at how many of our children are murdering their own parents” Nothin warrants another so why even bring up blk on blk crime in a post that has nothing to do with it. Is it justification you want or are you afraid to face the fact that police are trained to exterminate black males at alarming rates. They have even brainwashed black and hispanic cops to exterminate their own races. Face the truth about these officers profiling and taking innocent black lives at alarming rates even if you have on a peacoat, suit, and your college degree in your lap. That is what this post is about. Wanna talk about black on black crime there’s a whole other forum for that.

@Bear

With all of that you still must ask the queston Why was he handcuffed in the first place? In the court of law the question must be asked…

Best beleive my REDD ASS WOULD HAVE BEEN ON THE FIRST TRAIN SMOKIN HOME, and not sittin on the floor in handcuffs…

You must understand the POLICE dont have to have a self accountablity law, their assess ARE THE LAW..Dont you see, the laws that govern them are different..

You cant really compare Jim Crow times to now, Blacks then were blatantly being crucified for being Black…There were laws in place back then to maintain the blatant racism..

Im not saying that what happened to Oscar cant happen to me, but I damn sure will cut down on the chances of that happening…

Again Im not justifing the police officers actions, all Im saying is the situation should have been avoided..

I say give the officer involuntary manslaugther 50 years in prison…

Lady:

let the conversation progres like it is. Dialog is dialog and is positive

Tiray:

I misunderstood. My bad

grillfixer,
You asking what I’m reading while I wonder what you are reading? You surely wasn’t reading my comment because my first sentence says “it’s almost as if you’re saying”- key words there…Your whole comment is pretty irrelevant because it makes no sense to me since you have missed the whole point of my post.

@Lady Architect!

You’re SO correct!
I kinda feel them, but we must try to separate the 2!

think

@Pedro

I know for a fact I have AFrican Ancestry, but I dont know which part..I have Native American in my family too..I was thinking of getting one of those DNA test done

Opps! Gotta go do the Grind!!

NO thing that we can all agree on…is:
WE ALL LOVE BLACK PEOPLE!

PEACE OUT!

think

typo….one thing

@Lady Architect

Ill be back to add to your post..I gotta go for now..dont know what time you are leaving

MissNee,
I understand what your saying about dialog. What I’m saying is why can’t this dialog be carried in a place where it fits. It has nothing to do with what the officer has done in this situation. That’s a seperate situation or situations that we need to address, but in this post is that the first thing ppl think of? Black on black crime? Why is that? It’s a trick that continues to plague the black community and it makes it easier and easier to kill more of us. When something happens instead of holding that person accountable we are so quick to judge what we were doing. He was unarmed and murdered point blank. I can care less of how those handcuffs got on his hands. Death is not warranted. I just gave a list of ppl that were either killed, shot, or beaten and did nothin. Black ppl did the same thing in those events. That’s why most of those cases are pretty much forgotten without justice.

@ Redd Tony

“You must understand the POLICE dont have to have a self accountablity law, their assess ARE THE LAW..Dont you see, the laws that govern them are different..”

But earlier you said:

Police are not here to serve and protect, that is a bastard cliche, that was used to make them seem community oriented..

They are here to uphold the law…

Not only do your statements contradict each other, but they are also not based upon any aspect of jurisprudence. The REAL problem is that prosecuters and other officers are too inclined to turn a blind eye when the perpetrator is another cop.

grillfixer,
Lol your cursing and horrid vocab speaks for itself. Coversation done. You talk about my stupidity? Are you serious. I must have really hit your soft spot if you are behind a computer really taking time to “curse” someone out. Have a good day.

@ Lady Architect, sounds like im revelant enough ta kind of raise ur temp, lol which is funny cause, I know u would never get a cap busted in ur back, cause niggaz just bust Nutz n yo Mouth!! na breath brush n floss! smile it’s ok!

@ Lady Architect

I’m so glad you’re here today…lol

oh aight later redd . im out 2

@ Lady Architect

This is why these cops are constantly getting of the hook when they commit the most heinous acts. Dumb, Deaf, Blind People.

How asinine is it to try to justify police brutality and lawlessness by pointing out that Black people kill Black people.

The Bear – “Someone will have to pay for the innocent blood that is shed everyday”,
I feel your pain. I wouldn’t go so far as to say it’s asinine. It’s a common trait that was placed in us since slavery. It’s just something we have to overcome all together along with all other things that go on on in our lives. I won’t even front and act like I haven’t found myself doing the same when I’ve seen men get arrested, but I have to check myself and face the mentality that was placed in black ppls minds.

NEWS FLASH: Umm Bossip, are you aware that ANOTHER killing occurred on New Years in New Orleans? A 22 year-old Black male got 12 bullets pumped in HIS BACK by NO’s police officers. He had no prior convictions, seemed to be a law abiding young man who was visiting his family.

And…..(with 5 dots),
Wasn’t aware of that. Where can I find that because obviously they haven’t shown that on national news.

I have read almost all of these posts and people are getting too many issues confused with the ONE issue at hand. The ONLY issue here is -

1. A cop shot and unarmed non-threatening young man in the back.

That is the issue. So stop going into all this BS about how Oakland reacted, or how people should react to black on black crime because both are irrelevant to the issue at hand.

Things are simple – so try not to complicate it by thinking too much.

@Lady Architect,
I just saw a piece on CNN about it. It’s funny how stories like this are being buried in the media!

@ Lady Architect

These incidents only make the news if there’s video footage or if it involves a “celebrity”.

This cop killed the wrong man, let that have been a haitien man he killed. his ass would be in haiti right now eating grass.. Cuz they would turn his ass into a cow

@doublecheeseburger

I love Haitians just like I love all people but Time for some real talk bruh… If Haitians have the ‘magical’ ability to turn people into cows then why the HECK are so many Haitians starving and eating mud cookies to survive???

Why dont they turn the dirt into wheat and rice and corn. Or better yet, turn themselves into sharks so they can make it to Miami without drowning off the coast by the hundreds???

@ doublecheeseburger

Wasn’t Amadeo Dialo a Haitian??? Didn’t the cops shoot him 41 times??? Aren’t all 4 cops still alive and well??? What hapened to the “Hatian Magic”. I’m not knocking Haitians at all I’m just saying… time to leave that voodoo nonesense behind.

Jesus is Lord.

FYI, from insidebayarea.com:

BART police Officer Johannes Mehserle, 27, shot and killed Oscar Grant III, 22, of Hayward in the wee hours of New Year’s Day in the Fruitvale BART station, as Grant lay facedown and unarmed on the platform. Scores of witnesses saw it, and several cell-phone videos of the shooting have aired nationwide.

David Klinger, an associate professor of criminology and criminal justice at the University of Missouri, St. Louis and author of “Into the Kill Zone: A Cop’s Eye View of Deadly Force,” said that at least three levels of review are likely to occur in a case like this. First, BART police will try to determine whether officers’ actions complied with the agency’s use-of-force policies, he said.

That first review might be stymied: Mehserle has refused to be interviewed, and his attorney delivered a letter of resignation to BART police officials Wednesday.

From sfgate.com — story about this week’s protest organizer:

(01-08) 20:41 PST — The man who organized Wednesday’s BART police protest said he broke down in tears when he saw his peaceful march turn violent as some participants began throwing bottles, spitting on police cars and setting small fires.

Evan Shamar said he left the demonstration and watched on television as the situation got worse.

“I was devastated by it,” said Shamar, 24, a photographer who lives in Oakland. “I worked diligently for the past 72 hours, and for it to be destroyed by a group of anarchists was extremely upsetting. I felt like my integrity had been compromised.”

Shamar and others organized their rally to pressure authorities to more rigorously investigate the fatal shooting by BART police Officer Johannes Mehserle of Oscar Grant, who was unarmed and lying facedown on the Fruitvale Station platform on New Year’s Day.

Redd Tony

‘’No it does not give them a right to take black lives! But if you are going to protest racism and police brutality, but do nothing to stop the carnage in your own community, who will you have with you to fight? We cant even get along with each other?!?!’’

Exactly! The problem in America pertaining to us is not poverty, unemployment, public housing, drug abuse, etc., per se. ‘Our’ major ‘problem’ is that we’ve been systematically locked into the lowest level of a game where incessant power was placed in the hands of white people to ‘force dissociation among us.’ We must re-distribute the power back into ‘our’ hands, but, we first have to ‘unite’ as one. For instance, think about how the Asian and Latino groups/cultures (China Town/Lil Havana) function so prosperously from their own markets/stores. I know that Asians and Latinos haven’t been dealt the same cards as we have, however it’s possible for us to flourish as a ‘group,’ and support one another.

‘‘There were laws in place back then to maintain the blatant racism..’’

Yeah, it was. I think this is what you’re referring to. Here are some of them:

In 1638, there was a public statement called Doctrine of Exclusion. It meant, in a nutshell, that Black people couldn’t enjoy the fruits of white society. In 1665, the Europeans passed over Enslavement Laws, and expanded the Doctrine of Exclusion. So, now Blacks were subordinated, non-compensated, and work-groups for the comfort and building of white society. In 1705, The Slave Codes were passed, this informed everybody of white preponderancy (black versus white). The Diversity Act of 1705, meant that for every six black people, a white person must exist within in the group so that we could be monitored, and we couldn’t be injurious to them.

Sydney

Are you feeling better? Hopefully, you’ve ‘flushed’ all of your problems away. LOL

Well it is a good thing that he resigned. He had no business on the police force, if he couldn’t detain a subdued man lying face down without shooting him.

Trigger happy cops should not be on the force. The man was not posing a threat to anyones life. He just pulled out the gun and shot him. I hope he serves prison time for this.

This really troubles me, I would like to know HOW MANY WHITE MEN YOUNG WHITE MEN have been shot to death by police. I never hear this. Nobody should have to die like this regardless of color. But it seems to be black men only. They just killed the football player in Mississippi now this, What does a black Mother tell her child.

Go Oakland! Show’em what ya got! The same shit is about to kick off in houston!

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/metropolitan/6195571.html

my brother was beat to death in 2004 by some S.F,CA police and my son was beat in 2006 by some San Bruno, CA police, they need to get these dirty cops off the force period

Going on 10 damn days now and the officer has not been arrested!!! The D.A. is finally involved and said it’s gonna take 2 more weeks to investigate and even then not everyone’s gonna like the results he said. What are they gonna do when the officer has fled and they can’t even arrest him? Then all hell will break loose on the streets again.

Black on black crime is horrible and definitely needs to be addressed in our communities. However, police brutality is a separate issue and shouldn’t be put on the back burner until we fix our problems. Cops across this country continue to get away unscathed for killing our young black men – unarmed men. Sean Bell for example in NY shot on his wedding night over 40 times. If they would start to prosecute these officers and send a message that it will not be tolerated maybe it will stop. As it stands now these policemen no they can shoot a “nigga” and get a way with it. It is outrageous!!! Why do you never hear of an unarmed white man being shot in the back or being brutalized? This is 2009, we got a black Pres and this sh*t is still going on. It is really sad. Marching here in NY didn’t do us a damn bit of good. I have no idea of what else we can do but burn sh^t up.

Why do young black men perpetuate so many stereotypical images of black America? It becomes hard for white people to disassociate the truth from fiction.

For those that still haven’t seen the video’s, there are several from different angles on KTVU’s website. They are the Bay Area station that have been giving the most coverage I think. This entire situation is horrific. I hope my people just think about peace and changing this the correct way instead of messing up our own community. I’m not surprised by the police departments actions, they’ve been doing it for decades. My prayers go out to the Grant family, Oscar’s girlfriend and 4 year old daughter.

Hey Film, I logged off before you last post. . .Yes, all is well I hope you are, too.

BTW, have you seen this video of the shooting? I obtained the link from Ta-Nehisi Coates’ blog at theatlantic.com. The link and accompanying post are below:

rawstory.com/news/2008/New_video_clearest_so_far_of_0109.html

Carlos Miller, a onetime reporter and photographer for RAW STORY, posted a report on the new video on his blog:

BART police officer Johannes Mehserle appears to be trying to handcuff him. A second cop appears to have his knee on Grant’s back while having some kind of conversation with another handcuffed suspect who is on his knees. The third cop has his hand on this suspect’s shoulder and looks like he is speaking into his radio.

A female is standing inside the train filming the incident. You can hear her tell somebody, “baby, I’m fine, I’m just recording.”

Then you hear a man’s voice from inside the train: “You gotta take pictures of that shit ….”

Although Mehserle appears to be having some type of struggle with Grant, the cop with his knee on Grant’s back is blocking the view. The more I’ve watched this video, the more it seems as if Mehserle is trying to pull something out of his belt. Perhaps handcuffs. Perhaps a Taser. Perhaps a gun.

Here’s another link to the video:

carlosmiller.com/2009/01/09/new-video-of-bart-shooting-emerges-offering-clearest-view-so-far-and-audio/

Sydney

I’m good, thanks. Yeah, I’ve seen this version of the shooting. I frequent The Monthly a lot.

Oh yeah, his name is Viper.

GIVE ALL THIS TO GOD!IF WE DONT STOP KILLING US N THEY DONT STOP KILLING US WONT BE NO MORE US PEOPLE!