GOLD!!!

I guess his church must not have any ‘Ministers’ of Music’ LMBAO!!!

Silver

where there rumors that he was a pillow biter?

He’s aged nicely.

@Roderick,
“I guess his church must not have any ‘Ministers’ of Music’ LMBAO!!!”
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LOL!!!!! Tru Tru

Let him without sin cast the first stone. Jesus accepted everyone. We need to stop practicing divide and conquer on all levels. I am personally not down with the whole gay lifestyle but it isn’t mine and I will not judge.

Remember that new gey comic hero we are supposed to have?????

Well, folks….introducing…..BATTY MAN!!

(in jamacian batty means “butt” or “ass”).

no one can judge, however if you believe in the bible and you go to church then you must follow what is stated in the bible….everyone seems to forget that….the whole point is to refrain from doing those things that are not pleasing to God…i.e. stealing, lying, cheating….you can’t claim to be a Christian and go to church but continue to lie, ask for forgivness but continue to lie…the same thing that Clifton Davis is saying

What the? I thought he was gay?
Pot kettle pot kettle black!!

There is this new trend going around certain chruchs that it’s ok to be gay. I have several openly gay men that attend chruch with me every sunday, but they are not allowed to get involved in any of the chruch activities. They are however allowed to donate money! how stupid! I would never play along with any religion that does not agree with my lifestyle or sexuality. I don’t have a proble with gays even being married, but i would not allow them to marry within a chruch. Gay couples should have the same legal rights that married straight couples have.

I ain’t mad at him but I do agree with that minister of music comment. He’s aged pretty well too.

Ok… so are all the Fri/Sat night club girls, drug addicts, and people shacking up or with out of wedlock children banned from church, too????

What about all these people planning to claim someone else’s kids on their tax returns? (liars)

People kill me. Always trying to act like one sin is bigger than the other.

I thought church was for sinners? If he thinks they’re sinners shouldn’t he want them in church? The more the better right?

What an ass. He clearly has a problem with it if he doesn’t want gay and lesbian individuals to attend church. Oh and why the hell did bossip place the most flagrant guy to represent a gay person. You know we are also doctors, teachers lawyers and people who also are professionals contributing to society rather than a played out foolish image like the one bossip posted. Is it me or does bossip really enjoy ridiculing gays and lesbians?

Soooo, unwed parents shouldn’t be allowed to go to church either since they’re obviously living in sin….right? Premarital sex is a sin….

Dee:

Bossip is full of shit on a lot of levels.

contradiction. he must be christian. smh

@Dee

bossip really does. its a gossip site its meant to provoke arguments and poke fun. kinda gotta roll with it i guess.

@ TiVo

“You can NOT be in the church and worship God and be gay. It is a living contradiction.”

So, again, are unwed parents, shackers, etc. supposed to stay out of church, too?

@ Linwood Rose

I thought so too, Church is supposed to be a hospital for sinners is it not? How dare he turn away any of God’s creatures, but I bet he’ll take their money.

I honestly thought he was gay for a very long time…oh well, I must have been mistaken.

Modern day “Sodom & Gomarrah”…

It’s like we’re living in the last days…

how else are they going to get saved if they are not in church. I hate church folk sometimes

@Tivo

don’t quote the “word of god” when judging people, you are the contradiction. god said don’t kill then don’t kill its very black and white. don’t mold and shape the bible to fit your view of life. either you follow that shit or you don’t.

who said “so called sinners” cant go to church? then what the heck is the point of a church?

do you see the stupidity of it?

We all know Sodomy is the best policy, aint that right ladies?? can I get a AMEN???

@ Tivo

You sound like a real shyte (made of shit)
There can be no exceptions to any part of God’s commandments, killing allowed in times of war and drug addict parents my ass.

If gays are supposed to follow the Bible to the letter, it should apply to everyone else too.

To all those who spew this hatred mistaking it as devotion to a God that hates Gays, good luck getting your “Golden Ticket” to the pearly gates.

“It seems as though gay lifestyle has become commonplace”.

So has adultry
Premarital sex
Premarital pregnancy
Homicide
Genocide
Lying
Stealing

Get over it nigga! Next Story!

Oh boy here we go again. I hope people don’t start to bash this man. He was asked a question and he gave his opinion. He didn’t say I hate gay people, didn’t say they should all burn, not type of hatred. He stated an opinion simple as that. People always want to assume christians this and christian that. Their are tons of churches that believe in the same things. Just cause one catholic church allows gay people in it doesn’t mean that all do. To me nobody should be turned away. The purpose of church is to bring in saints to become closer to GOD and preach his doctrine. Don’t come in the church whether ur gay, bi, molester, having pre marital sex, etc. if you are not ready to hear the truth about yourself. Everyone sins point blank. When you realize the sin and continue to commit the same sin no matter what then that’s the problem. Many gay people go to church and often complain when sex and sexuality is being talked about saying it’s discrimination and stuff. Just like homosexual people live by their lifestyles, many different religions live by theirs.

Octavia you made a good point.

lol@chlamydia…what is wrong with you young brother?

JillyBean819

What the? I thought he was gay?
Pot kettle pot kettle black!!

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TOOK THE WORDS OUT MY MOUTH? LOL

@ Redd Tony

Don’t forget :

Teen pregnancy
Stealing from the pulpit (Creflo)
black on black crime

But being gay trumps them all right?

he is right, its not right

I guess this “preacher” didn’t bother to take the time to learn what Jesus taught us. He told us to love each other unconditionally. Everyone is a sinner, how ridiculous to single people out. To say gay people can’t come to church or aren’t welcome is, to me, sinful.

@charlieblanko

lol@chlamydia…what is wrong with you young brother
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Not a damn thang sista! I loves me sum rockhard meat up my toot in the morning, it makes for a better poot in the afternoon, lol…

Openly gay people at church? Sexuality isn’t anyone business at church, straight OR gay unless you make it known.

Churches, especially American christian churches, are too damn hypocritical.

No one cares what you have to say. Crawl back under your rock and watch reruns of Amen

@ P.
totally hypocritial.

Now why he take his lil brother spiderman water bottle and backpack?

Sin is Sin it does matter what a person does whether Homosexuality or Fornication the judgment is still the same.

@Lady Architect

I so agree with you. Many gays feel it’s discrimination when you talk about their sexuality because they feel that they were born. i don’t believe a man who is gay can go back to being straight, i just don’t think it’s possible.

@BMW

@Lady Architect

I so agree with you. Many gays feel it’s discrimination when you talk about their sexuality because they feel that they were born. i don’t believe a man who is gay can go back to being straight, i just don’t think it’s possible.

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Word up! y would we?

I knew the second this particular blog was posted that we would, for the millionth time again, be the discussion about whether being gay is a sin/normal/healthy way to be as if it were still 1973. OK and of course I could not resist to comment on it. OK here are some facts, the American Psychological Association has long removed homosexuality as an illness as of 1973. It is not an illness, at all according to APA and World Psychological Associations. It is however probably very confusing for ppl especially since we solely think of sex as a means of a man and woman act preceding procreation. Second, IT IS NOT A LIFESTYLE!!! A lifestyle folks, is being a vegetarian, physically fit, a traveler, things you do because you enjoy them and benefit from them and can be stopped, mostly done for leisure and personal reward. Being gay is something you cannot control. You can repress it however, which would explain catholic priests leading a life of celibacy and sacrificing their sexual desires to be pure for God. That has clearly not been very effective as more news of perverted priests arise. Speaking on that, there is also a misconception that pedophiles and molesters are all gay. If anyone of you look up crime statistics from legit websites you will see that an overwhelming majority of sexual perverts committing crimes are… STRAIGHT MEN. OK so if that is true, your kids are probably safer being watched after by a gay person than a straight man. Also, I know the black community has a very strong connection to the christian church. The bible DOES NOT refer to homosexuality in positive terms. However, it also doesn’t condone eating shellfish literally lines after it discusses homsexuality as well. As a matter of fact I’m going to post exactly what the bible says.
For many centuries, the Christian Church’s attitude toward human sexuality was very negative: sex was for procreation, not for pleasure; women and slaves were considered property to be owned by males; and many expressions of heterosexuality, like homosexuality, were considered sinful. Such tradition often continues to influence churches today. Many teach that women should be subordinate to men, continue to permit forms of discrimination against peoples of color, and condemn homosexuals. They say that all homosexual acts are sinful, often referring to their interpretation of scripture.

Back during slavery times, the slave owners used the bible to defend slavery and guess what everyone, there is indeed passages in the bible that condone slavery!!! Yes well im sure that is up for interpretation by many. The point I’m making is THINK FOR YOURSELF. Dare I say it, do not let scriptures and false self righteous ministers tell you that groups of people he/she barely knows are evil and sinners for being something they cant help.

OK im tired. here’s a link thats interesting for those who are looking to be more open-minded.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/1006439/posts

This thread was just posted and already people are turning this man’s words into things they want to see. Please read the actual quote. I don’t where people are getting the idea of hate or that he doesn’t love anyone unconditionally.

I am keeping you in my prayers “chlamydia”. I feel sorry for you and your little flower.

A sin is a sin is a sin… no one sin is greater than any other. Having sex out of wedlock is a sin, whether it be unmarried men and women having sex or unmarried men and men or unmarried women and women. However; the bible does speak specifically against homosexuality. I’m sorry but “unnatural affections” will never be sanctioned in God’s eyes and that means that by law they should not be allowed to be married. People can get upset all they want, but we need to obey God’s words and be done with it. The only way any sinner has a chance of getting to heaven is to “lift up their cross and follow him” (Jesus). If your cross happens to be homosexuality then you need to abstain from it. Just as if your cross happens to be any other sin, you need to abstain from that sin. In God’s eye we are all sinners, there are no degrees of sin. As far as homosexuals being accepted in church I disagree with because if you’re an “out” homosexual then your sin is known. That should NOT be accepted in any church as an acceptable lifestyle as God speaks against it. If two hetrosexuals are living together, not married. That should NOT be accepted in the church because you are supposed to be married to have sex. People need to read their bibles and stop trying to get God’s word to coincide with their views and wants. In the end it is God’s word (the Bible) that will judge us. Our feelings and opinions don’t matter in the least.

no offense to gays but we was put on this earth to multiply. i wish i would have a gay pastor tell me bout church…..

@Lady Architect

slavery is addressed in the bible, as something that is acceptable in the eyes of god, so when it is addressed in church and accepted, will you reposition yourself in your seat uncomfortably or nod your head in acceptance also?

i can see where you were coming from in your comment, but
when homosexuality is addressed in church it is never in the nicely packaged sermon as the rest of the bible, am i wrong? point is, in church it is discriminatory when addressed.

i said he must be christian, because they are the biggest hypocrites when it comes to the bible, not all but most. and in every discussion i have with a supposed christian it seems as tho i can always lock them into their own hypocrisy with their contradictions.
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however everyone who has this crazy idea of being “extra holy” at the gates because you were “not homosexual” just remember the other 5,000 other sins you committed, repeatedly, knowingly.

were all in the same line, cuz a sin is a sin, one is not greater than another.
pointing a finger at homosexuals, is pointing 3 fingers back at yourself.

I thought going to church was mainly for sinners. People who don’t sin – don’t need church – they are perfect human beings. Doesn’t everyone sin? Is his sin less then my sin or are sins, sins no matter what.

I’m always reminded of how a few decades ago, people were convinced that God wanted Blacks to be slaves..that it was unnatural or an abomination for Blacks to be allowed any human or civil rights. Or that it’s okay for Blacks to have their rights, as long as they are kept away from my White children. I understand that we all have things we’re uncomfortable with, but sometimes life is uncomfortable.

I’m a lesbian and I don’t give a damn about what he thinks or anyone else. I do me. If i cant go to church and get saved… then who can i turn to?

tne brainwashed trend followers always want to appease homosexuality…say things like

“well we all sin!”

being gay isnt like telling your mother a white lie…we wouldnt be as comfortable letting a child rapist or other sexual deviant who practices their unorthodox style of love every night…

even on sundays before church

come into church and fake the funk every sunday…gay people need to realize there is no room in religion for theme

no matter how much MTV or VH1 accepts them…being gay is not next to GOD…

if your GAY its hell…no matter how nice you think you are

@ raskel… if blacks become more accepting of homosexuality then gays wont have to be on the down low bringing diseases back to the black women.

and no tricking yourself into thinking the rules are different because its the year 2000

is gonna make a difference…either believe or dont believe

but dont half believe and dont change the rules!

you are like your father the devil a liar…when you change the word of GOD himself to suit your

deviant sexual desire…..

Well I guess that means he has no people in attendance every Sunday. That is what kills me about these religious people…how can they choose what sin is greater! I thought the “bible” says that SIN is SIN regardless! I am so thankful I see past the crap I was indoctrinated into!

@ Lady Architect

It’s funny that you would say that people need to read before posting, when yesterday in the gay comic character post you went on to talk about not letting kids watch a cartoon when it plainly stated it was a drama intended for prime time viewing.

Not too mention how commonplace gay themes are in television plots, but yet str8 shows like NY, Real Chance, Rock of Love, Batchelor etc. make a mockery of str8 relationships

It is convenient to hate gay people, but not too long ago they said all the same things and used all the same words about black people.

Christians are the biggest liars and hypocrites. They should let all the people out of the church closet and start paying attention to the AIDS epidemic raging thru their members.

Progressive Black Movement for the better future,
I feel you on your comment and thank you for the respect and insightful comment. In all honesty there are churches that focus solely on homosexuality and nothing else. Fortunately my church doesn’t waste time talking about that the whole sermon. To be honest I haven’t heard anyone talk nice about any sin whether it is promiscuity, adultery, whatever. Sin is not meant to be talked nice about or sugar coated. It is what it is. Saying that homosexuality is wrong in a church is discrimination?

@LAdy Architect ….i feel you

Gays are waging a media war…they want to be loved everywhere

but its not possible

they will never change the rule and will of GOD

just because they feel “left out”

well you know what im 5 “10″ and i feel left out by the NBA….but theres nothign i can do about that

and as much as GAY people want to feel safe about their afterlife… they will never FORCE religion to accept them simply because its “the nice thing to do”

GAY people will never sleep easy when it comes to thinking about their death…because on the other side there will be no peace for them

@ Philly Da Boss

Save me a seat in hell right next to you, so I can pinch you and remind you about your recent post. Cus if you think that str8 people including the pastors not faking the funk before they go to church then you need to get out more. I pray that I never come across as judgemental as you.

This shit is a problem with dark skin black men.

This is the exact reason I don’t deal with organized religion. My relationship with God is no one else’s business. Why do I need a middle man who is probably stealing from the collection plate to take his mistress shopping?

They don’t want you there unless you are giving up ten percent of your money. It’s a business people. They can’t absolve you. They can’t save you. They can use you and bleed you dry.

Talk to The Man himself. He doesn’t need a switchboard of liars and cheats working for him.

@ Philly Da boss

How the hell is being a homosexual equated to a sexual deviant. Damn black people get it together! Do you lust, lie, get the hook up (also known as stealing)…give me a break with your effing holier than thou shit! You had better not be living with your girl/boyfriend or have children out of wedlock…all of that shit is a SUPER sin and I bet you do one of those EVERYDAY of your life! Goddamit people homosexuals are not sexual deviants!

GAY PEOPLE are literally banking on the fact

that newer generations dont care as much about the word of GOD to deem anything unacceptable

that sounds like the plan the DEVIL wrote for the end of days

and when you and the DEVIL think alike…you will never have a place in the church

He did not say anything wrong. A sin is a sin and you have to live with that. A liar is no better than a gay person. I don’t think he was judging anyone. He’s just saying whats in the bible. JESUS never turned anyone away but he also told them that they were not living in accordance to God’s word. That’s all. If you are in church you will be reminded of what’s right and what’s wrong. Either you believe or don’t.

BB,
Before jumping to conclusions did you read everything I posted in the blog? I don’t watch cartoons and though there are many adults that watch cartoons, majority of cartoon watchers are children. Just to remind you primetime hours is 8PM to 11PM. Most children and preteens are up to about 9 or 10pm which is why I referred to children.

You talking about all those other shows which I care not to watch and have never supported since they have aired.

They have the freedom to live their life, but in the house of God — although He loves them in their sin — He wants them out of it.

LMMFAO!!!! That is priceless! He wants them out of it…it doesn’t get much better than that!

Let me get my work done before I lose my job, cus
Philly Da Boss sounds like a “cunt on a stick.”

I believe that I am a little older than most folks on this Board, as I remember back when Mr Davis had a Variety Show with Melba Moore.

If I remember correctly, he had a Hot and Heavy Romance with Ms Moore, and they were rumored to be getting Married.

All of a sudden, they were no longer together, and the Variety Show was suddenly Cancelled.

A long held Rumor was that Ms Moore caught Mr Davis in a Star’s Dressing Room engaged in a Homosexual Act with none other than……Wait For it…..Michael Jackson!

niasia….your a fool for assuming

i do none of what you mentioned above so take your gen pop statistical bullshit and choke on it….

im not here to say who’s worse than you….but when people “sin” they are supposed to hate their sin, regret it, and work past it

Gay people do not hate their sin…they wallow in it like a pig in the mud…they celebrate their deviancy

they live completely in a lifestyle of Sodom and Gomorrah

pimp slap his ass and tell him to get his cunt wet ass down! Bow down… gay is the way.

im so sick and tired of people picking and choosing out of the bible the things that correspond with the way they feel.

theres a lot of lesser-known, truly off-the-wall stuff in the bible.
no ones bothers with that, though.

if you abhor gay people, just say that and keep it moving.

@Ocatavia,

If all the baby mommas werent allowed in the church, there wouldnt be anyone at church. This dude is saying what needs to be said. He needs to take it a step futher and get the fornicators OUT.

@ Lady Architect

I mentioned those shows because you made a point that the gay agenda has proliferated mainstream television where gay relationships are commonplace. I disagree there aren’t that many gays on tv and no it’s not contagious.

Also the the primetime gay superhero show is intended for Showtime, most kids shouldn’t be watching that. There is no way at all kids can be corrupted by gays, your sexuality is imprinted in your DNA at birth.

@Chlamydia

I just don’t think a gay man will eve be attracted to a woman. it’s just not possible in my book. I have plenty of gay friends and they tell me they can’t even touch the fish without wanting to vomit. LOL! you can’t change that.

Science has proven that gayness happens in the womb.

so Philly, you’re wrong, lol

if i lust or have sex out of wedlock…

you can tell me im wrong and ill accept it

tell one of thse new-age MTV fags they are wrong

and they debate it….

that is the devils way….and satans minions are gonna hve a nice lil surprise at the end of the road….

theres no debating that….

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/5120004.stm

preachers drink but aint suppose to.

He was accused years ago of sleeping with Donnie Hathaway. what up with that?

None of us have the keys to heaven or hell and I think there will be a lot of shocked and surprised people on judgement day.

Why do gays keep bringing up being black rights? How is being black like being gay? Someone tell me how having darker skin is like that? A black woman or man can be with a member of another race and can produce offspring.

If being gay was “natural” wouldn’t gays be able to do the same? Whether you believe in creationism or evolution, why can’t two women or two men procreate? Maybe because it wasn’t meant to be that way?

one day being gay will be as common as a household appliance

and when that day comes armageddon will not be too far from it

because that world is not the world God Invisioned

and all those happy little Gay Married Couples…

will see just how well God Acknowledges the sancitity of their marraige

when they get sent on the HOTTEST honeymoon you can imagine

@ Lady Architect

sorry i should have clarified better, it didn’t mean talked about in the since of sugar coating or anything like that, i just meant more so in the tone of the sermon, when other sins are addressed it not all sugar, but the tone is definitely different.

it’s always like “HOMOSEXUALITY IS A SIN!!!!!” when in the bible no one can seem to find where it specifically stats that it is in fact a sin. it says abomination. the commandments were stated sins.

but like the others are like “well god said this and that is a sin but…… just pray on it and he’ll forgive you” but for homosexuality its like …”oh your going to hell!”

lol

I like how some homophobic people love to use the bible verses against gay people, but never consider that

1. Leviticus 11:10 – Eating Shellfish is an abomination because it has no scales or fins.

2. Pork – Leviticus – Eating pork is an abomination.

3. Genesis (Story of Ham and Moses) – Because dark-skinned Ham saw Moses naked, him and his descendants (Africans) were to be enslaved (used as a justification).

People should be very careful before throwing out verses. The bible should not be taken literally but used as a source for enlightenment (not putting down others).

First of all he never said anything about not allowing homosexuals in church read the quote he is talking about how prevalent and commonplace homosexuality is in society and on tv. Second all sin is sin none is greater than the other so just because someone is living with thier girl/boyfriend does not mean that homosexuality is ok sin is sin and we will all have to answer to God for the ones we committed on judgement day. Third i agree with him completely

WoW! I am not feeling all this stuff in the news for the last 3 months, about gays. If you want to be gay, be gay. STOP PUSHING ALTERNATIVE LIFESTYLES TO EVERYONE ELSE. Live your life. And no, I don’t want my kids to play with your yours, I don;t want to have you over and no to dinner, play dates, schools and television…When hey get old enough there will be more than enough time for them to deal with wordly issues, HOWEVER, I’m getting tired of all thee gay guys EVERYWHERE, wanting to get married, wanting to adopt, wanting to bring all their stuff out of the closet and be equal, like everyone else….

In the United States, slavery was outlawed a while ago, but it some parts it still exists…Same thing with this ‘gay’ stuff…People acknowledge it but don’t want to deal with it everyday , all day..Blacks are still fighting for roghts, and it is till ongoing, s for gays to think that their struggles will all be over, is stupid…It takes time and patience. That Prop 8 stuff and all the other ‘celebs’ who come out in support of this, turns my stomach…These 2 issues are NOT the same..And all of this could be easy, if gays would get their own gay church, so then they could all be gay together….

** If I hurt your feelings, sorry but I am REALLY tired of this topic** Angry gays,respond in 1..2…3..

Wasn’t he in “That’s my mama” I thought HE was gay!

@raskel
@mebitch,

homosexuals arent brining diseases back to the black females.

@ Philly Da Boss

They “Celebrate their deviancy” you sound really foolish making a generalization like that, should whites make similar generalizations about blacks, shoot, if they watched BET & VH1 they’d think we were all the same.

My point is so many gays are confused and struggle with feelings that they have no control over which often times leads to depression resulting in suicide, how is that celebratory?

He don’t know what he is missing. Gay sex is the best. I had my ass banged out last night!!

@always knew:

why do you care where someone puts their penis, and why would that affect their kids? lol

people really need to be smarter than this.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/5120004.stm

i wish AIDS only killed gay people

would anyone really fund the research anymore?

or go on those walks? naww …wede be like oh well

god’s divine justice….

This is starting to be ridiculous. Why do people call it ‘judging’ when we are not the ones who made that judgment, Jesus did. When someone says that it is wrong to be gay, we didn’t decide that, Jesus did, so therefore, it is WRONG.
All that aside, lets get one thing straight, Jesus will forgive you for being gay but in order to receive forgiveness you must repent and TURN AWAY from the sinful act. Acts 3:19 says; Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out. When you get saved, you receive God’s Holy Ghost which will help you turn away from those things that are sinful in God’s eyes. We ALL need to strive to be what He wants you to be.
I agree with PM, church folk can be the main reason people don’t come to church and/or accept Jesus as their savior but people please don’t mistake church folk for what Jesus really is. God is love and He loves us. If there is any place you should go when you are lost and really need the Lord, its church and comments like the pastor made are the last thing they need to hear. My main point is that we need to stop looking to others for an understanding of who Jesus is. Find Jesus for yourself and put ALL of your faith in Him and Him alone. People can be wrong and say things that are hurtful, but Jesus will not fail and He cannot lie. Come to church with the goal to change. Don’t live your life thinking that because Jesus loves us, that you can continue to do sinful things and its okay. We gotta pray people.

@Str8 Truth
Go to GAYTHUGDATING.COM AND TELL ME WHAT YOU SEE. A bunch of dues that you would think is tough but really queer.

hey BB

instead of suicide…tell em to cut their dicks off

or take castration pills….not everyone has to have sex

if gays were lifelong virgins they would aovid their sins alltogether…

but they feel the need to feed on some ass

maybe its god testing them…if they love him they will have to give up something they feel brings them worldly pleasure

think about some of this

since when has it become a law…that a gay man has to stick his dick in an ass everyweek…

its not his right….its his choice….and he has other choices

he is not being forced to act on this shit…

so dont bring that victim “i cant help it” bullshit over here

not everyone is lucky and blessed with being normal… shit psychopaths need help not to murder…

@Philly Da Boss

Watch out for what u ask for. You may have a gay child one day. Then what?

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/5120004.stm

the only way a gay man will enter heaven

is if he REPENTS of his SIN and tries to turn away from it

GAY people will never do that…they are comfortable with believing that they are forced to plow someones butt

therefore i assume less than 1% of gay people will enter heaven…

GODS LOGIC….not mine

and youde be a fool to debate that

Whatever! unless you guys are gay or have the urge you’re talking out your asses. How do you know how it’s like to be a gay man!

@ Philly Da Boss

To that AIDS should kill gays comment, Reagan and his cronies made a statement back in the 80′s that the disease was killing all the right people…Look at the statistics now!

@ mebitch….

then he will be a lifelong virgin …but there will be no bringin niggas over and shit liek that

he will live in sin or not live in sin

but i will be fine….and i will not change the rules or lie to him to make him feel better

1st…Let me say I am a strong believer in GOD and I can’t understand why gay people shouldn’t be allowed in church. That’s STUPID!! We all are sinners and we chose the sins we do so what makes someone better than the other to be allowed to go to church to listen to the WORD?

i said “i wish” BB

and i still do….

i would care that much less about the disease

BB,
I didn’t mean it in that way that gay shows period have taunted mainstream tv. I only said that because that was the topic. I think reality tv shows are just ridiculous all together to be honest. But many of the shows that I have enjoyed have been bringing in a new character where that person is gay and that’s why I said “can’t there be a show that I can watch that is fully heterosexual.

As far as the show being on showtime-then yes that was my fault for missing that. Surely if I had children they wouldn’t be watching showtime anyway. Kids do often learn things as they are young because they are sponges. Science did prove that hermaphrodites exist and sometimes Chromosomes get mixed up within the male or female coming from a certain parent. Science has also proven that this doesn’t happen as often as people seem to blame. There are many cases where it is learned.

I’m confused. I thought pasters, ministers and reverends were supposed to be accepting of ALL of God’s children. And people wonder why some of us go to church via TV.

He’s NOBODY to be judging somebody else for their actions.

God’s 11th Commandment (yes, there are 11 of them) where he states: A NEW COMMANDEMENT I GIVE TO YOU THAT YOU MAY LOVE ONE ANOTHER THE WAY I LOVE YOU.

Mr. Davis – when your ass was out in them streets hopped up on whatever drugs it was you were taking – people eventually forgave your ass for many a stupid things that I’m sure you’ve done. And now that you’re a preacher with your own church and congregation you want to pass judgement on others?

SHAME-SHAME-SHAME! Shame on you!!!

@ La la
Where did Jesus say no bungholery?
Chapter and Verse please…
(and even if you find it prove that he said it)

Most priest seem gay.

@always knew

i don’t understand……..how is it that gays are pushing their lifestyle on other people?
as i recall it was heterosexuals, and the fake sunday holy goers that are doing that.

hate is a sin, so is judgement. review your bible.

spare me that civil rights bullshit, we got a black president,blacks have rights, get a new excuse, their just too damn lazy to use them to their full advantage, because their to busy worrying about who’s gay, and can go to church and who’s going to heaven and hell to realize how useless they are.

hypocritical heterosexual rebuttal in 3….2…….1..

most big time anti-gay people seems gay too, hehe

@

God created man and women for the purpose of procreation. If wanted gays to mesh, the 2 sexes would be able to procreate.

Homosexuality is forbidden in the bible and it is an abomination. Gay people always twist the bible to suit their lifestyle. God loathes homosexuality, and it is forbidden.

@ Philly

You sound like a homosexual.

BEING GAY IS NOT A SIN!!!!

that part of the bible was a typo….

just ignore it, YOU WILL GET INTO HEAVEN ANYWAY

god says alot of shit he doesnt really mean

trust me ok… everythings an abomination to god

if you really stop sinning youlle get bored

being gay is perfectly ok

Progressive Black Movement for the better future,
I feel you, but my church is not like that. I can only comment on where I attend and I ‘ve gone to a few different chrches until I found a place that was comfortable and got straight to the point. I do understand what you are saying though.

@ MeBitch

dont worry….PHILLY doesnt understand us

we know that GOD made it perfectly clear if you are a nice and caring individual..

you will enter the gates of heaven

regardless if you completely ignore his words

when he said beign gay is an abomination….

he meant OBAMA NATION…..can i get a what, what!

@STOP THE GAYNESS
@THE DEVIL

Do I thnk that homosexuality is ight, no i do not, but never seen a gay man go straight. i’ve seen down low men pretend to be straight. Would a woman really want a man who she knows took it up the ass or stuck it in someones ass! NO I THINK NOT! once gay always gay! unless I can see a real case where a man was turned around I will believe the change is possible.

Wait wasn’t there rumors he was gay, I heard some story about him being very close with Michael Jackson when he was a boy

Well then who else is going to direct the choirs, play the music, and talk smack about sister so and so after church. Easter Sunday just wouldn’t be the same without the gays and their pumpkin color suits, pumpkin color gators, and pumpkin color murse with matching bible holder! He must go to one of those boring churches. Sit down Rev Gregory!!!

being gay has always been GODLIKE

would i lie to you?? im just one lil ole devil

im just tryna slowly and surely over decades make people more comfortable with doing things god said dont do….

God evisioned everyone to have one sexual partner, be married, and have kids….

technically that would cure aids…but would it be fun??

HELL NAWWW

being gay will not be a sin by 2020 with all the help i get from progressive thinking black people

by progressive i mean

yall just dont care no more…..and i never did

ITS GREAT!!

Sorry for the long message
I don’t think its okay to show that stuff on TV either. Its everywhere. It seems strange to me that some homosexuals are so proud of something that they know is wrong. The whole gay pride rainbow (which could be a whole other issue, using God’s sign of His promise as a badge to identify with being gay) and all the parades and stuff. My brother is gay, cries about not wanting to be gay, but has all the rainbow key chains and gay pride graphics on his Myspace page. Why do you want so badly for everyone to accept your lifestyle? If you want to be gay, be gay, its your life. Is there a parade for people that like to be spanked in bed? LOL Keep your private life private. You want us to accept it but when we don’t agree with it, you call it being judgmental. Since God is your only judge, how about you take that up with Him and leave the rest of us out of it.

I’m confused. I thought pasters, ministers and reverends were supposed to be accepting of ALL of God’s children. And people wonder why some of us go to church via TV.

He’s NOBODY to be judging somebody else for their actions.

God’s 11th Commandment (yes, there are 11 of them) where he states: A NEW COMMANDEMENT I GIVE TO YOU THAT YOU MAY LOVE ONE ANOTHER THE WAY I LOVE YOU.

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Pastors and reverends are imperfect people. They fall short of god’s glory as well.

Everyone is not god’s children. Some people derive from the devil. Homosexuality is not something that god intended. Homosexuality is an unclean demonic force that craves your soul and forces you to turn away from god. It was not god’s plan. It was his arch enemy rival Satan the Devil’s plan. He uses this method to crush you soul.

When god speaks of love, it is not intended to be misused to suit a purpose of an unclean lifestyle such as homosexuality. Sexual relations are only suppose to be in the covenant of marriage between a man and a woman. Fornication is a sin and so is homosexuality. It is NOT acceptable in gods eyes.

@ BMW

because obviously as a man…it is a crime if you go through life not having sex at least once a month

it is your GOD GIVEN RIGHT…to have sex with multiple partners

trust me…

GOD INTENDED that everyone have sex with everyone with no strings attached

so if your gay….choosing to never have sex…is just too hard

and you know how god never challenges people with hard tasks that they should overcome in order to enter heaven

NO

GOD LETS EVERYONE IN…just for being cool enough

spread my message BMW

the choice isnt sex with men or no sex

its WHAT KINDA SEX ….BECAUSE SEX IS HAPPENIN!! lol

Apparently to American church going black people being gay is worse than bveing a murderer a thief or a child molester. Was there a commandment against being gay, If there was I don’t recall it.

@ la la

dont judge them!! saying being gay is a sin

is hatred!!! you should never point out whats wrong

just let everyone GO CRAZY and sort it out later

….sigh you real christians piss me off

where are the new-age christians at??

so we can talk about all the new rules we are gonna make….without the bible having to stick its nose in it

@ The Devil

You are representing the devils speech well. You have the perfect screen name for your defammatory speech against the Lord.

The gays should stay out of church?!?

Has Clifton been to a church lately? If there were no gays in the church, the church would close down. Everybody from the music director to the pastor himself is gay and/or on the down low.

@ Tisha

Oh, and your soul is as clean as the driven snow? I THINK NOW, DEARY.

NONE of us are hollier than though to judge ANYBODY.

Now, I’m a Bi-Femme, and believe me when I tell you – GOD STILL ANSWERS MY PRAYERS WHEN I PRAY – so therefore your statement is even MORE confusing.

Here you are telling me that God DOESN’T love me and that God WON’T here my prayers when I call to him – BUT YOUR WRONG – because he does.

So, YOUR point is?

@ DOC

your right…being gay is not a big issue

for all we know their are probably gay angels

and a gay community in heaven

trust me….gay people will go to heaven and be there in large numbers

so lets not sweat it guys

@hell!

If I spread your message that would be comeing from out your mouth and not the bible. i’m not here to judeg(in the bible) you know when you are living in sin(in the bible) you die alone and calls you on judgement day alone(in the bible) I will tell you how I feel and pont towards god(in the bible) but I can take that final step for you(in the bible) It’s your slavation, not mine!

I meant ‘I think NOT’.

MissBlaze

GOD WILL LET YOU INTO HEAVEN

there are many gay people in heaven ….and they are still gay while up there.

god even acknowledges gay marraiges in heaven

and yes he answers your prayers…because good things only happen to good people

there were never any rich evil leaders of nations…or powerful mean spirited people

you are not being delusional…GOD is on your side

trust me….

I think people are reading too much of bossip’s words rather than what he said because I don’t see in his quote where he’s saying they shouldn’t be allowed in the church. In fact the question he was asked was about it being on tv.

@lady arc

thats a nice pic lil momma

@ MS. WALKER

difference is…when the sinners sin…they at least ask for forgiveness

my GAY BROTHERS dont wanna ask for forgiveness

either god is gonna realize what we are doing is LOVE AND RIGHT

or he will have to step aside while we march into HEAVEN

trust me….

people who don’t believe in what sciencetells us are ignorant and deserve to live the sad angry lives they set up for themselves.

Roderick-”I guess his church must not have any ‘Ministers’ of Music’ LMBAO!!!”

Hilfuknlarious!
Remember the gay choir director spin from comic view! Honestly, I understand where he is coming from… But i do believe to each his own. But I do think that because the gay lifestyle is so common place now it exposes children and they become intrigued. Yes I do believe some people choose to be gay as a fad, I know some.

THE DEVIL, you’re an idiot, stop posting.

that dumb ass pastor is an idiot!!!! how dare he judge gays and lesbians? hes an idiot that will listen to anything out there. that whole against gay shit in the bible is not even true!!!

@ d

really?? cool…i love when children get inspired by great HOMOSEXUAL role models

@Progressive Black Movement for the better future-
“@always knew

i don’t understand……..how is it that gays are pushing their lifestyle on other people?
as i recall it was heterosexuals, and the fake sunday holy goers that are doing that.

hate is a sin, so is judgement. review your bible.

spare me that civil rights bullshit, we got a black president,blacks have rights, get a new excuse, their just too damn lazy to use them to their full advantage, because their to busy worrying about who’s gay, and can go to church and who’s going to heaven and hell to realize how useless they are.

hypocritical heterosexual rebuttal in 3….2…….1..”
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When I was referring to gays pushing their alternative lifestyle on others, I was referring to all the marching and violence that gay people are doing in California, in regards to being mad at Blacks because they overwhelmingly did not support Prop 8. I would say them turning over cars and picking fights with blacks because noone voted against Prop 8, is definitely pushing your point of view and lifestyle on others…

I don;t hate anyone and I have not ‘judged’ anyone.I said in my household, where my 3 and 4 year old are concerned…I am only speking abut MY household, not anyone elses…I resent you comparing a struggle for human rights in direct conflict with rights fo gays…One has NOTHING to do with the other….

I am not hypocritical..Live how you want, just not in my household..What’s so difficult to understand..Just because you chose that lifestyle doesn’t mean that everyone, accepts or lives that way….I don’t push my heterosexuality on gays or on anyone period…You have no logic, in your arguments….

When I lived in Michigan, my HAIRDRESSER, who used to do my hair was GAY, as the day is long. BUT HE DID NOT PUSH HIS SEXUAL PREFERENCES DOWN EVERYONE”S THROATS….He used to work in Dearborn, Michigan, at the Fairlane Mall, at Heidi’s.. He was a really nice guy. I wear short tapered cuts and he could cut the hell out of my hair. He was very good and I respected him, also tipped him everytime, I got serviced, because I LOVED the way he hooked up my hair, until I relocated…Just because you don’t agree doesn;t mean someone, HATES anyone…We all have different preferences. I might like chocolate , you might like vanilla….Just different…I have kids…I am not introducing that stuff, to them, they will find out about it, as they grow up..However, I will not lead them to it or encourage it…

Additionally, If you guys are so secure in your gaydom, why do you care what the hetero’s think anyway? Maybe inside you know the real reason—It’s not acceptable..

damn right @nneka

thats what i been saying…tell me where in the bible it says that GAYS WILL NOT ENTER HEAVEN

OH WAIT…

Corinthians 6:9-10 – “Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.”

@ Miss blaze

Before you attack me, let me explain something to you. I am no perfect person. I have committed fornication in the past. I didn’t twist the bible and god’s words to suit my unclean lifestyle. I knew it was wrong and still chose to do so.

I did not say God didn’t love those who sin. we are all sinners.

I certainly did not say he doesn’t answer our prayers, when we fall short of his glory.

You are twisting my words out of anger. God will never accept homosexuality or fornication. It is a sin. God is the judge. He judges us by the way we live our life, how we treat our fellow man, and our hearts.

We all have to answer to god, for our actions.

Yeah, well, you know what – LET THAT BE BETWEEN ME AND MY MAKER WHEN THE TIME COMES!

Until then, all y’all holy-rollers can LICK A FAT CLIT!!!

Oh, and have a Blessed Day!

@Progressive Black Movement for the better future-

I also wanted to add, that I don’t like the holy roller church, that you described…God is in your heart, how you treat folks, how you live your life, not a fashion show, not a continuation of the party from the club, to sleep with the deacon, etc. Church has lost it’s meaning in my opinion…I think ALOT (NOT ALL), need t get back to the basics–Savings souls—And I am not a regular church goer, either….EVer since Kindergarten- private school, elemenatry privte school, high school- private school, I went to Church 5 out of 7 days, every day until I got to college. I don’t do Church except T.D. Jakes on TV. I am all churched out. I do believe, but the building is not where God lives. Make no mistake about that. He lives inside of you…No going to a building every week, will not save you…You have to live according to his words and only then do you have a chance, at being saved….Further, I am not judging anyone. I just don’t want it around my small children..If you have issue with that, that’s just what it is, your issue….HAYYYYYYYY!

PICK ONE OF THESE VERSUS…and good luck with GOD

‘Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable.’
(Leviticus 18:22)

‘If a man lies with a man as one lies with a woman, both of them have
done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will
be on their own heads.’ (Leviticus 20:13)

Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their
women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. In the same way
the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed
with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men,
and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
(Romans 1:26-27)

Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city
of Sodom-both young and old-surrounded the house. They called to Lot,
“Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so
that we can have sex with them.” (Genesis 19:4-5)

Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God?
Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor
adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves
nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit
the kingdom of God. (1 Corinthians 6:9-10)

knowing this: that the law is not made for a righteous person, but for
the lawless and insubordinate, for the ungodly and for sinners, for
the unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of
mothers, for manslayers, for fornicators, for sodomites, for
kidnappers, for liars, for perjurers, and if there is any other thing
that is contrary to sound doctrine, (1 Timothy 1:9-10)

did those direct quote bible verses

clear any confusion about GODS PLAN??

let me know if i helped anyone today….

Yes we do all sin. Point blank a sin is a sin. He made Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve.

There is nothing wrong with calling a sin by a its name. The truth is the truth not judgement. We will all be judged when that day comes. That is like saying we should not call a murderer a murderer. He did not say anything against gay people he just said it is a sin. And TV does place that lifestyle as a norm.

I wonder if more straight men kept having to look at other men kissing each other all the time on tv(as opposed to females)would they think being gay is so taboo?

@ yamamas

They sure never had any qualms about taking MY money.

Ok, here is the deal. The man just stated his opinion and like many out there, doesnt have a problem with those homosexuals who choose to live their lifestyle. He has a problem with those who accept it as being ok and come to church preaching and living like its ok. Most gays say they were born this way. Of course they were, because we are all born into sin. Point blank. Now, its your choice to decide to walk the narrow path to those pearly gates. Now if it was this easy to get to heaven, then everyone would get there. We all have our struggles. Some are harder than others..ie homosexuality. Trust me, I have been down the path trying to figure out what was right or not. Its not fair for folks to throw spears at homos especially “christians” saying things like “GOD HATES FAGS” ect… GOD HATES THE ATTITUDE THAT PEOPLE THROW AT THEM. You cant expect someone to come to GOD and you are throwing hate from your heart at them. OH, and BOssip, please cut out the flamy gay pics. THats not cool, because that doesnt represent what all gay men are about. They are still PEOPLE and not laughing stocks.

@ Miss blaze

I don’t come on these blogs to attack people. People use these blogs to attack single mothers and homosexuals, or whoever is their target of loathing for the day.

I only respond when people misinterpret the bible to suit their lifestyle.

Ultimately god is the judge. I didn’t direct any derrogatory words to you, because of the way you chose to live your life. Everyone is accountable for their own actions.

I have to answer to god as well.

AMEN Pastor Davis!

@ Take Your Pick

My stance STILL hasn’t changed. Like I said, I’m a Bi-Femme and God has still and always will be the person I call on in need.

God can also Pick and choose – and so far he is still by my side.

Thank you Sweet Jesus and you have a Blessed Day, too.

Being Gay is not a sin. Speak to a scientist or watch a national geography show on how babies are born. Sexuality is established at 6 weeks old. It has to do with the amount of testerone absorbed in the body. A gay person has as much to do with them being gay as I or you have to do with being straight. Knowledge is power.

ISN’T CLIFTON DAVIS GAY!!!!!!! THAT WAS THE WORD FOR A WHILE…IN FACT…HE KIND OF REMINDED ME OF A JOHNNY MATHIS TYPE….mmmm!!!!

@TAKE YOUR PICK ..most people are in agreement that it is a sin. What people are upset about is holier then thou Christians and thier little sin big sin mentality

@Its6amHoGetOut

He don’t know what he is missing. Gay sex is the best. I had my ass banged out last night!!

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Aint that the truth!

GOD HATES FAGS”

That is an untrue statement. He loathes the unclean spirit that has contaminated or crushed their soul.

@ Tisha

I have not misinterpreted the Bible – I’m only stating that last Commandment.

God said to love EVERYBODY – point blank, simple as that.

He didn’t tell you, Love THIS person because he / she goes to church all the time, but don’t love her because she’s a lesbian.

That’s judging. And yes, while I know exactly what the Bible says – ONLY MY GOD CAN JUDGE ME – YOU on the other hand can’t.

So, go in peace and have a Blessed Day. I will continue my relationship with God the way I always have.

Being Gay is not a sin. Speak to a scientist or watch a national geography show on how babies are born.

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Scientist are not experts on what is righteous or unholy. That is man’s perspective.

How are you gone tell somebody they can’t go to church!! Buuuulllll crappp!..Imagine how many evil heartless people go to church that are hetero.. Can’t see their “sins” right?..That IS some BS….mmhmm he must be utterly perfect .. and MsBlaze you’re hot!!

The Talmud and the book of Jasher also recount two incidents of a young girl (one involved Lot’s daughter Paltith) who gave some bread to a poor man who had entered the city. When the townspeople discovered their acts of kindness, they burned Paltith and smeared the other girl’s body with honey and hung her from the city wall until she was eaten by bees. (Sanhedrin 109a) It is this gruesome event, and her scream in particular, the Talmud concludes, that are alluded to in the verse that heralds the city’s destruction: “So Hashem said, ‘Because the outcry of Sodom and Gomorrah has become great, and because their sin has been very grave, I will descend and see…’” (Genesis 18:20-21).

Classical Jewish texts do not stress the homosexual aspect of the attitude of the inhabitants of Sodom as much as their cruelty and lack of hospitality to the “stranger.” (See Jewish Encyclopedia on the importance of hospitality.) The people of Sodom were seen as guilty of many other significant sins. Rabbinic writings affirm that the Sodomites also committed economic crimes, blasphemy and bloodshed[1]. One of the worst was to give money or even gold ingots to beggars, after inscribing their names on them, and then subsequently refusing to sell them food. The unfortunate stranger would end up starving and after his death, the people who gave him the money would reclaim it.

I say let them do what they want to. Hell, heterosexuals cant even get married and want to be with each other.

Now, about this time the Sodomites, overwhelmingly proud of their numbers and the extent of their wealth, showed themselves insolent to men and impious to the divinity, insomuch that they no more remembered the benefits that they had received from him, hated foreigners and avoided any contact with others. Indignant at this conduct, God accordingly resolved to chastise them for their arrogance, and not only to uproot their city, but to blast their land so completely that it should yield neither plant nor fruit whatsoever from that time forward.

—Jewish Antiquities 1:194-195
and Josephus recounts that when angels came to Sodom to find good men they were instead greeted by rapists[2]:

And the angels came to the city of the Sodomites…when the Sodomites beheld the young men, who were outstanding in beauty of appearance and who had been received into Lot’s house, they set about to do violence and outrage to their youthful beauty….Therefore, God, indignant at their bold acts, struck them with blindness, so that they were unable to find the entrance into the house, and condemned the Sodomites to destruction of the whole population.

—Jewish Antiquities 1:199-202
He says how beautiful it was before everything was burned up, and how rich the towns were in the area. Josephus described what had happened:

Now this country is then so sadly burnt up, that nobody cares to come to it… It was of old a most happy land, both for the fruits it bore and the riches of its cities, although it be now all burnt up. It is related how for the impiety of its inhabitants, it was burnt by lightning; in consequence of which there are still the remainders of that divine fire; and the shadows of the five cities are still to be seen, as well as the ashes growing in their fruits, which fruits have a colour as if they were fit to be eaten: but if you pluck them with your hands, they will dissolve into smoke and ashes

—The Wars of the Jews, book 4, chapter 8.

@ Christy

Yes, DENISE VASI is hot, isn’t she? That’s not me, Luv, but Denise thanks you for recognizing her beauty.

well sure MizzBlaze

do what ya feel…i could care less…your funeral not mine…

but i honestly cant say ive seen one pro-gay verse in the bible…

not one…

every verse that references homosexuality either demonizes…calls for their death…and states how they will never EVER get into heaven…under any circumstance

but if you wanna take your chances with what you think you know

and ignore the written word of god himself that he left unto as a guide for all mankind

then good luck… and i would love to play dice with you one day…or blackjack lol

All you scripture quoters out there, Leviticus also states if you curse your parents you should be stoned to death. A bible scripture can be found for everything. King James version of the bible was written by King James because he wanted a divorce. He was the one who ran the pilgrims out of England. How can any one of any Intelligence believe all that garabage written and revised by different men who put there pants on one leg at a time like everyone else? How many of those churches have help people pay their mortgages so they don’t lose their home. All those ministers living on those grand mansions while their parishoners can hardly afford to live, giving their 10% to the church. I grew up in the church, so I know from whence I speak.

Food for thought.

The Bible doesn’t say that being gay is a sin. It says that the homosexual sex act itself is an abomination. So actually…they CAN be living together if they are in a celibate relationship.

It’s not being gay that’s the sin, it’s actually performing the homosexual act. I don’t have anything against gay people but living the gay lifestyle is a sin. If you say your a believer in the bible you can’t pick and choose what’s true to you….it’s all or nothing. God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah for this same sin, along with others. Sin is Sin.

@ inda

well in all honesty you shouldnt be cursing your parents lol

doesnt make homosexuality any less of a first rate way to never get into heaven

the devil loves when people try to cross reference the bible to demean gods words

do you think you can make god sound silly??

lol good luck in the afterlife

exactly @ cuitie and we black

@ Take Your Pick

Yes, yes. Because only HE can judge me and not any of you.

You and Tisha can preach until Jupiter, Mars and the Sun all line up – but it won’t mean anything to me – because neither of you are God.

I live my life by the 11th Commandment and when I meet my Maker whatever will be – will be.

Love / Respect / Harmony – all that judging and preaching and pointing, I’ll leave that up to you and Tisha.

the 11th commandment??

lol MissBlaze your ignorance slays me lmao

whateva homie

all you gotta do is not be gay while you’re on church grounds, or at church events. but when you’re anywhere else, jut let gay out!

that’s what people have been doing.

@ Inda

Oh, Inda, the HOLY-ROLLERS don’t like that kind of talk. But yeah, I feel ya on that.

He goes not like gay people at curch? I have heard for years that he was a closet queen and i mean years check with some of the old heads they will agree. Stop attacking your peeps Clifton!!!

@ MissBlaze and Inda

this war you are drumming up is not so far fetched

there is definetly a rift between those you call holy rollers (people who follow the bible)

and people like you (i talk to god and hes cool with it)

i can only assume who will be better off in the end…

@ Take Your Pick

You mean YOUR ignorance is showing, Luv.

A NEW COMMANDMENT I GIVE UNTO YOU, THAT YOU LOVE OTHERS THE WAY I LOVE YOU.

Now, what part of A ‘NEW’ Commandment don’t YOUR ignorant ass not understand!

Oh, I guess you don’t know about THAT scripture!

Here’s a towel to whip the egg of your face – HOMIE

What are Holy Rollers? I heard and seen that term thrown around. What does it exactly mean?

@ Take Your Pick

Why don’t you turn your Bible to JOHN 13:34!

Yeah, read that and reflect on it, okay.

i love my cousin…

but when he goes to jail hes an ingnorant dumbass who knows better …..

doesnt mean i hate you to tell that your full of shit missblaze

and that is how you gays wage your media war…

as victims of hatred…attacked…victimized…

im sorry but your head is too far in your ass with this make believe christianity lite you been drinkin…

perverting his message to suit your own fleshly desires….does not sound too holy to me

like i said…keep that nonsense to yourself and dont confuse another poor soul into your complete stupidity

@ Lady Architect

holy rollers are what sinners like to call those…who they think are being mean by telling them that what they are doing is not squeaky clean

damn shame

all these tactics andf techniques watering down the word of god…its like out of a movie

and they hang onto it so strongly…like they just couldnt be wrong lol

Lawd have mercy. Y’all quoting Bible verses left and right. Typing all kind of manifestos. Do you know y’all have waaay too much time on your hands???

MissBlaze can talk with all thedrummed up confidence she wants

i see her doubt….she has no real stance…and thats why shes stuck on this post

im passionate

shes frightened

we all have our reasons….youlle see the light sooner or later missblaze….just hope that light aint comin from a flickering flame

i agree w/ him but i feel it is 4 GOD 2 judge them…

JOHN 13:34-35

A “NEW” Commandment I give to you, that you love one another; even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. By THIS all men will know that you are my disciples, IF you have LOVE for one another.

Gosh I’ve read some disheartening things/opinions/truths. Let’s keep this real simple; The “act” of homosexuality is a sin like all the rest, ask god to deliver you from those sinful desires, god created nature us human beings and guess what, he created a man & woman, for their specific purposes, right? anyone that argues that is either stupidly to smart for their own good, playing games/convinced themselves that it’s acceptable. No matter what is said or how people “feel” you can’t argue with the facts; man is for women & women are for men, you can’t argue with the facts. homosexuality is led/influenced by that spirit that has fooled the person into thinking that “it’s just me” that is a lie from the pit of hell, don’t be fooled by demonic spirits, because they are real believe it or not (why do you think we do sinful things that contradict our ‘we know better” thoughts. Am i making sense to any homosexuality condoners. I myself do not hate gays or anybody I just hate sin and my own sins that I commit, no sin should be condoned.

@ take your pick.
Who do you know has gone to a place call heaven? If god created all human beings, he definetly created gays. The thing that really concerns me is your lack of knowledge? Bhuddism is older Christianity and where do you think those people are going. I get it, you need to have something to beleive in. I know people that pray for years, a couple of times a day and they never have any better luck than I do. Believe in Yourself!!

Clifton Davis wrote the Jackson 5′s hit ‘Never Can Say Goodbye’ and supposedly Michael was so enamored with the sentiments of the song, he developed a romantic interest in the songwriter. I didn’t know there was a related anecdote that he had been engaged to Melba Moore and he caught them in the act.

I think the rumor about Michael was outrageous and ridiculous. Clifton Davis is a dark-skinned, Black man.

gays will never stop this war

until the act of homosexuality is no longer a sin

AND THAT!! in my mind…makes gay people the most demonic people on gods green earth

yea i said it

its ok to sin…but at least know its a sin

@ Take Your Pick

Oh, yes, you’re right. I do have confidence and every time I read PSALM 27 my confidence gets more and more stronger!

That’s right because when you have God in your HEART – that’s ALL the confidence that’s needed.

I’m still waiting to see where exactly does the “judgement” part come in when you say you disagree with something? He didn’t judge them. He said he don’t want to see two women kissing. I personally don’t want to see it either. Doesn’t mean I’m judgemental.

god only judges the MURDERER AND ADULTERER AT THE TIME OF JUDGEMENT. ALL SINS WILL BE FORGIVEN AT THE GATE ITS A CHOICE IF YOU WANT TO BE ACCEPTED.. HOWEVER SOMEONE WHO MURDERS OR COMMITS ADULTERY WILL HAVE TO SPEAK WITH GOD THOSE ARE THE ONLY SINS THAT WILL REQUIRE CLEARIFICATION OF UR ACTIONS …GET in bitches

I wish y’all were so passionate when it comes to the drug-dealers and them fools killing each other out in the streets. If you all would show that kind of heated intolerance for them, we’d get that problem cleaned up lickity-split.

Lack of education says a lot about this fight. They did a study with the Prop 8 in CA and the less education the person had along with religion, regardless of race they were inclined to vote yes on Prop 8. Black people need to be educated about what homosexuality really is. Shoot we need to be educated on a lot of things! Hopefully one day Black people will not live and die by the “Religion” passed on to them by slave masters! For the record I am a non believer..and things like this only solidify my choice! Religion can kiss my ass! I do more for my community than so many religious people I know! Going to a building once a week does not make you a MORAL person! And you don’t need religion to be MORAL! Geez black people…ya’ll should read a book or two!….and FYI the bible was written by MEN like 2-300 years AFTER christ! How the hell you can take something so obvioulsy FALLIBLE and live by it in the 21 century is beyond me! GO READ A REAL BOOK!

@lady architect…

What are Holy Rollers? I heard and seen that term thrown around. What does it exactly mean?

somebody who probably doesn’t believe in the gay lifestyle….it’s hard to hear the truth as it relates to Christianity….the bible is clear…if you sleep with someone of the same sex you will burn in hell….sin is sin…but for those of you who comit sin but sit up in church, pass out, speak in tounges but continue to commit the sin as soon as you leave the church house then you are not following the will of God….at that point I must ask what is the purpose…

@ roderick that was funny…..but sooo true….lol..

well they are starting to say Fing….in lieu of fycking….pretty soon the whole word will be said….

Gotta agree with Niasia on this count:

There’s something to be said about being well-read.

AWWWWWWWWWWWSHADDAAAAAAAP!!!!
no sweets not to much time on my hand … school doesnt start till next week …. and im a receptionist for my pops i sit in front the interenet all day and answer phones…pretty boring … but this blog was interesting

@ Take Your Pick

Wait – for someone who started quoting the Bible first why are you getting upset because you didn’t know about God’s NEW Commandment?

LOL @ you though – please believe. Sounds like you’re the one who needs to have some hands laid upon.

It’s all good, though. You just thought a sistah didn’t know about the scriptures of the Bible. You just thought you were “little-know-it-all” and didn’t think I’d come back with that.

But that’s because you JUDGED ME – and I don’t know if you know this or not but God don’t like THAT shit either.

So, go check yourself and get to praying.

niasia,
Isn’t all books including the “real” books you read written by a man?

If sinners can’t go to church then Christianity is going out of business. And I do mean business.

Jesus loves us all but he hates the sin. Unless we give up the sin we cannot be accepted into his kingdom. He does not teach to hate, but to love however not ignore or accept that these things are sinful! Just because Jesus loves and we are supposed to love and not judge does not mean that we are not supposed to witness and tell the truth of his word. Homosexuality is considered a sexual immortality and God speaks a lot against that in the bible. Here are a few scriptures.

Leviticus 20:13 –

If a man has sexual intercourse with a male as one has sexual intercourse with a woman, the two of them have committed an abomination. They must be put to death; their blood guilt is on themselves.

Matthew 19:5 – and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and will be united with his wife, and the two will become one flesh’

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 –
6:9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived! The sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, passive homosexual partners, 1 practicing homosexuals, 2 6:10 thieves, the greedy, drunkards, the verbally abusive, 3 and swindlers will not inherit the kingdom of God. 6:11 Some of you once lived this way. 4 But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ 5 and by the Spirit of our God.

Romans 1:24-27 – 1:24 Therefore God gave them over 1 in the desires of their hearts to impurity, to dishonor 2 their bodies among themselves. 3 1:25 They 4 exchanged the truth of God for a lie 5 and worshiped and served the creation 6 rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.

1:26 For this reason God gave them over to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged the natural sexual relations for unnatural ones, 7 1:27 and likewise the men also abandoned natural relations with women 8 and were inflamed in their passions 9 for one another. Men 10 committed shameless acts with men and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

So for all of you who want to play around with adding or twisting the words of the bible for your own comfort or validation I’ll leave you with this:

Revelation 22:18-19

I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy in this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will strike him with the plagues that are written in this book. If anyone takes away any words from the book of this prophecy, God will take away his portion of the tree of life and the holy city that are described in this book.

God Bless

@Str8 Truth

Why do gays keep bringing up being black rights? How is being black like being gay? Someone tell me how having darker skin is like that? A black woman or man can be with a member of another race and can produce offspring.

If being gay was “natural” wouldn’t gays be able to do the same? Whether you believe in creationism or evolution, why can’t two women or two men procreate? Maybe because it wasn’t meant to be that way?

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This has always been my argument as well, but people seem to always have a way of twisting their rebuttal AROUND it….SMH

Leave this world all you gay people! Yeah I said it!

Shaking my head when it comes to the church not letting gays be included in activities but have no problem taking their money.

Ok a little history. Clifton Davis was gay and got “delivered” back in the day. So he should know that the church and Christ is how you minister to anyone that is in sin.

your frontin pisses me off blaze

but im thru with this post

a gay christian

is like an arsonist firefighter

a sad clown

a fat…personal trainer

a crip in a red jumpuit

and seeing you parade around in such defiance….is too much to bear…its ugly…i dont like hearin it…and i hope you keep it to yaself

LMBAO@ bossip’s choice of photos!

We all live in sin. Why discriminate against gay people? Does he discourage people who fornicate from going to church? What about people who are in adulterous relationships? They are all there along with people with a variety of sins they commit on a daily basis.

I can’t get over how somebody brings up gay issues and everyone goes ape shit. Good call, Bossip.

Give, give, give – Goddammit – give to the Negro College Fund. A mind is such a terrible thing to waste.

oooooh soldier that was tight….

lemme repeat what he posted

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Leviticus 20:13 –

If a man has sexual intercourse with a male as one has sexual intercourse with a woman, the two of them have committed an abomination. They must be put to death; their blood guilt is on themselves.

Matthew 19:5 – and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and will be united with his wife, and the two will become one flesh’

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 -
6:9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived! The sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, passive homosexual partners, 1 practicing homosexuals, 2 6:10 thieves, the greedy, drunkards, the verbally abusive, 3 and swindlers will not inherit the kingdom of God. 6:11 Some of you once lived this way. 4 But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ 5 and by the Spirit of our God.

Romans 1:24-27 – 1:24 Therefore God gave them over 1 in the desires of their hearts to impurity, to dishonor 2 their bodies among themselves. 3 1:25 They 4 exchanged the truth of God for a lie 5 and worshiped and served the creation 6 rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen.

1:26 For this reason God gave them over to dishonorable passions. For their women exchanged the natural sexual relations for unnatural ones, 7 1:27 and likewise the men also abandoned natural relations with women 8 and were inflamed in their passions 9 for one another. Men 10 committed shameless acts with men and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.

So for all of you who want to play around with adding or twisting the words of the bible for your own comfort or validation I’ll leave you with this:

Revelation 22:18-19

I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy in this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will strike him with the plagues that are written in this book. If anyone takes away any words from the book of this prophecy, God will take away his portion of the tree of life and the holy city that are described in this book.

God Bless
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isnt it funny how people are changing the definitions of some of the most direct and blatant parts of the bible

like if i said ” go to school” and you tell me in a few years i meant dont go… lol

a gay christian

is like an arsonist firefighter

a sad clown

a fat…personal trainer

a crip in a red jumpsuit

I have to agree with your points.

I ain’t having no Gays stage a coup, breaking into my house and rearranging my furniture, changing the drapes and reupholstering my seat cushions. I know they planning it but I’ll be damn before I’m letting that happen.

Yamamshouldhave….:

Don’t even bother trying to reason with anyone in here. Especially those of ORGANIZED religious faith.

People can’t seem to grasp the concept that not everyone believes the BS about people choosing to be gay, but since they have more people and bigger mouths they think they are the end all be all.

You want to know what’s a choice? Religion

You give them an inch, and next they want to upgrade the theme of your living room in retro Fifties fashion. Dammit, I’m putting my foot down.

@Niasa
I agree 100%. lady architect a holly roller are the people on this post quoting the bible scriptures.

They wanna substitute your Payless shoes for Prada, Manolo Blahnik and Jimmy Choos. C’mon, fellow breeders, let’s nip this shit in the bud.

awwwwwwwwwwwShadddup:

I’m gonna come over there and beat you with a glitter belt if you keep actin’ up like that lol

By the way christianity is not a religion, it is a spiritual relationship with god, fake christians & fronters practice religion, as a matter of fact Jesus was put on earth to abolish religion. A real christian’s relationship with the lord was not passed down, it was invited. No one can put anybody’s soul in heaven nor hell but rules and facts are rules and facts the we all believers, atheists and naturalists should understand and follow. As for homos being in the church, that is where they should be, but do not get it twisted, it (homosexuality) should and will not be accepted. Humans are our own worst enemy besides Lucifer the fallen angel, hmm how ironic, the first disobedient creation of the lord went down for advocating it’s own lustful desires, and guess what it wants to take us with it by brainwashing and influence, since that is the only way it is allowed to do so.

the point is that if you believe in the bible then you have to admit that you committed a sin and some gay people refuse to admit that they are comitting a sin…that is the problem….of course God wants any and everyone to come to him…but you have to admit when you are wrong and change that behavior

I thought the church, religion was all about love. I guess there is no love for anyone different

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Revelation 22:18-19

I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy in this book: If anyone adds anything to them, God will strike him with the plagues that are written in this book. If anyone takes away any words from the book of this prophecy, God will take away his portion of the tree of life and the holy city that are described in this book.
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What type of an idiot believes this stuff. I can write a bible right now… Seriously grow a brain… and not the one the master wants you to have. They handed slaves bibles for a reason.

No they shouldn’t be discriminated or banned for church, church is supposed to be a place for sin sick souls. They should be welcomed to come to church and accept Christ. HOWEVER, if they are going to go to church and accept Christ and live a Christian lifestyle, they cannot expect the promise of eternal life with the savior and CONTINUE in sin that goes for ALL sinners, fornicators, homosexuals, liars, adulterers, and murderers alike. If they are not changing that’s between them and God. However you can’t be like “well I am going to live for God, but I am going to keep doing so and so.” That is misleading, and very serious. That person has the potential of misleading souls and having all of their bloods on their hands, and misrepresenting Christ. You cannot straddle the fence. No sin is greater than the other, and if you are going to go to church you need to be removing yourself from the sins of the world. Either you are going to be a Christian and ask God to change you and recognize you are sinning, or stay away and do you.

I can’t wait till they overturn Prop 8 here. It’ll be so funny to watch all that money the yes on prop 8 side spent to push it through, be wasted.

Think about how many people could have been helped, y’know in the way god/jesus would want you to, but instead millions were spent to destroy families.

Sweet revenge.

@Str8 Truth

Why do gays keep bringing up being black rights? How is being black like being gay? Someone tell me how having darker skin is like that? A black woman or man can be with a member of another race and can produce offspring.

If being gay was “natural” wouldn’t gays be able to do the same? Whether you believe in creationism or evolution, why can’t two women or two men procreate? Maybe because it wasn’t meant to be that way?

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I cosign all the way. Being gay is wrong. Just because it’s a feeling, doesn’t mean it’s right.

Call me what you want, just like you are here standing for what you believe in and backing that up with whatever, so will I. I’d rather live like there was a God and die and find out there wasn’t, than live like there wasn’t one and die and find out that there was. God bless you. You all are entitled to what you believe, whatever your truth is. But I have to do my father’s work and tell of his truth the truth that I happen to believe is the ONLY truth. He loves all, but love isn’t accepting all. If you had a child and he did wrong, just because you loved that child would you not correct them? Is it hate and discrimination because you won’t let them do things that are destructive? Same principle.

And I agree with Lacville-79. I don’t do religion, I do relationship. The point is don’t claim Christianity if you are not going to believe in it’s principles. A gay person that won’t recognize that according to the principles that it is a sin cannot expect to inherit the kingdom. You have to recognize the sin and ask for strength to come out of it.

No one is messing with gays. We are just stating that according to the rules of Christianity it is wrong. The preacher who killed his wife, wrong. God will deal with him, just like he will with all sinners. He was in a position of power. All sin is wrong, the article just happens to be about homosexuality.

roflmao@the devil…lmbao…whoa!!! that was pure comedy.

Inda,
So if you know bible scriptures (indicating study and memorization), your a holy roller? That makes no sense. Someone asked to point of the verses so people are doing it.

REV. Davis needs to stop the madness!!!!!!! He is as gay as a Donnie McClurkin.

I find it awful funny that the church condemns gays, yet they are the majority of the men that makeup the church…..hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

This whole “gay bashing” by the church is NOT about the Bible or God. This is about politics, just like abortion-rights. These pimpin preachers just use the Bible as a means to try to keep power and people divided. The gay population is HUGE and they have LOTS of money to make things happen, and it scares the hell out of a lot of people. So what do they do? Use one’s sexual orientation as an “us” against “them” scare tactic. This why people are fleeing from organized religion.

i agree w/ some people that the church is full of hypocrites and i personally haven’t been 2 church in yrs… but 4 people who don’t believe in GOD 2 each is own but I rather believe in GOD n find out he’s not real then 2 live my life not believing and find out he is… and he (Davis) does not sound like he is judging them but he is allowed 2 have an opinion isn’t he…

Can we get an article about slavery so we can start quoting what the bible says about that? Cuz it ain’t pretty.

Umm, has any body heard of the new testament? The only abomination that carried over is homosexuality; when Jesus died on the the cross for our SINS, the rest were absolved, but homosexuality was not. I’m just saying. Love ‘em and pray for their salvation, because it is not up to us anyway.

What I believe is that ALL sin in God’s eyes is equivalent; whether I tell a white lie or I kill 10 people-it’s all sin. MAN specifies the variance of degree and negligible punishments for what is “right” and “wrong”. I’m sorry but I agree with the posters who are saying where is the similarity between civil rights for minorities and gay rights. There are “some” similarities but you can HIDE being gay if you wanted to; I’m too coco to even attempt a brown paper bag test. What Minister Davis is saying is the exact opposite of what I believe God wants us to do. When you know His word and walk in faith, it is your responsibility to go out and educate those who arent-NOT TO JUDGE. There are liars, thieves, womanizers, abusers, fornicators, backstabbers, anything you want to call them in church that sit up on the FRONT row EVERY sunday. If being in the body of Christ is right and it’s your responsibility to demonstrate the love of God to other people, be non-judgemental. Every child of God remembers how it was before they were saved; some just try to forget it and use their blessing to look down on other folks-and that just ain’t right.

Yamama:

I feel you 100000000000000000000.99%

Al Sharpton makes a very good point here:

It amazes me when I looked at California and saw churches that had nothing to say about police brutality, nothing to say when a young black boy was shot while he was wearing police handcuffs, nothing to say when the they overturned affirmative action, nothing to say when people were being delegated into poverty, yet they were organizing and mobilizing to stop consenting adults from choosing their life partners. There is something immoral and sick about using all of that power to not end brutality and poverty, but to break into people’s bedrooms and claim that God sent you.”

According to the Southern Voice, “Sharpton came to Atlanta to celebrate the launch of the Alliance of Affirming Faith-Based Organizations.”

He added: “I am tired of seeing ministers who will preach homophobia by day, and then after they’re preaching, when the lights are off they go cruising for trade…We know you’re not preaching the Bible, because if you were preaching the Bible we would have heard from you. We would have heard from you when people were starving in California, when they deregulated the economy and crashed Wall Street you had nothing to say. When [alleged Ponzi schemer Bernie] Madoff made off with the money, you had nothing to say. When Bush took us to war chasing weapons of mass destruction that weren’t there you had nothing to say. … But all of a sudden when Proposition 8 came out you had so much to say, but since you stepped in the rain, we gonna step in the rain with you.”

Amen.

Kitty:

And that book is a load just like the old testament.

@ tj

Exactly. The religion that you cling to is something that was forced upon by the white masters. Remember that.

I cosign all the way. Being gay is wrong. Just because it’s a feeling, doesn’t mean it’s right.
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i agree… i think being gay is a choice, don’t mean 2 offend any1 but i don’t believe any1 is born gay u choose it…

I am just getting in here today, but wow. Are you all reading “The Devil’s” post. I am really starting to believe that he may be the devil himself. Cause that is just how the devil wants you to believe, that being gay is alright with God.

I don’t recall any bible story where the town burned down because of unwed mothers .

Howbad:

But i’m sure you remember the part that says children aren’t supposed to born out of wedlock.

@ Howbad

And, I don’t recall anywhere in the Bible unwed mothers being called abominations.

The Devil = A clear logical thought process.

That’s only because the “Holy-Roller’s” DON’T sin. Didn’t you already know that for the people who go to church on a regular and read their Bible on a regular – THEY DON’T SIN.

Oh, no. They just all think they are the SHIT and that when they do shit – it don’t stink.

Because I’m bi-femme MY SINS ARE JUST THE WORST! Oh no, no matter WHAT kind of sins these holy-rollers have committed, MINE IS GOING TO ALWAYS TOP THEIRS.

Therefore they have the AUDA-CITY to come at me with quotes from the Bible like they ALL THAT!

Yet with all the people whom CHRISTIAN’S HAVE KILLED IN THE NAME OF GOD – none of that matters. ONLY THE GAYS – THE GAYS ARE THE SINNERS.

But them there holy-rollers can come with their fingers pointed and their Bibles opened – ready to tell me about MY DAMN SINS.

Like I said before – ALL Y’ALL CAN LICK A FAT CLIT!

Okay!

I agree with him, and I would like to add…

Stay out of my church if you are divorced, if you use curse words or have taken the Lord’s name in vain, if you have engaged in sex outside of wedlock, if you have had an abortion, if you are a stripper or go to strip clubs, if you are a drug user, if you drink alcohol, if you dance, if you gamble, if you work on Sunday, if you steal or if you cheat (or have cheated on) your spouse.

Thank you.

PS- Mary Magdalene, you whore, you aren’t welcome either.

BOTTOM LINE, NO PUN INTENDED, GOD DESTROYED TWO CITIES MAINLY BECAUSE OF HOMOSEXUAL ACTIVITIES, GAYS MUST TURN FROM THEIR WICKED WAYS AND DONT LOOK BACK LIKE LOTS WIFE DID…

yamamashouldhavehadmoreprenatalcare…,
Your name is too funny. I’m sorry men screwing men is prison is also gay. You gotta be somewhat attracted to that behind to stick ya stuff in it. That power thing is an excuse, so is a jail man’s horniness. So are all gay couples celibate? Since they just love eachother. I’m just saying…

Ok but it is ok to see the killing and violence many of these shows portray. How about pre-marital sex shown on only 99.9% of the shows… yeah that is ok I guess.

did NOT BURN BECAUSE OF GAY FOLKS, THEY BURNED BECAUSE OF STRAIGHT FOLKS DOING GAY SHIT
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STRAIGHT FOLKS DOING GAY SHIT = GAY FOLKS???

@ DIAMONDCHEERS

So, you mean to tell me that when I was 7 YEARS OLD and I was checking out the Go-Go Dancer who lived in the next building THAT I KNEW EXACTLY that I was gay?

Wow, you’re good – because while I ALWAYS KNEW that I was different I had ne’er a clue what being gay / lesbian even was.

But you seem to know FOR SURE that I wasn’t born that way.

Well, thank you for clearing THAT up.

Sometimes I wonder if people just watch sitcoms to get the jist of what churches are like. People say the same typical things, especially those who don’t go use those same excuses. If you don’t like a specific church then don’t go it. Find one that suits you, that gives you the word and guidance that you need, that shows you your tithes and offerings are used for things in the community and fixing up your church, etc. If your church has thousands of members and you all give offering and stuff yet your church has no heat or ac, but pastor drives a benz, then pack up and keep it moving and find the right one for you. Don’t stereotype based on your experience of 1 church.

@lady

ask all those certified hard core gang banging mens who did time whether or not getting your dick sucked by another man or dicking another man down while you’re in prison is gay, and I guarantee they will tell you with ALL SERIOUSNESS, HELL NAH. thats why I’m saying the shit didn’t have nothing to do, with gay people, and the very fact that every body chooses that particular situation as evidence of GOD’s hatred of the gays, is just incredible.

lolol I bet they would. They are in serious denial to lose their “masculinity” It’s just as gay as anything else is. No excuse.

Goodnight everyone, try not to argue too much.

Ive been readin and miss blaze i just want to as u what u think of the parts of the bible where God actually forbids homosexuality?

If one were to take religion out of the equation for a moment, and realize how quickly society loses its boundaries one could see why there is such a heated debate about this subject. Take divorce among heterosexuals. The moment divorce was not looked down upon, became acceptable the next step after that is COMMONPLACE. We as human beings take things to extremes, which is why laws were created in the first place. Now it is hard to keep a family together. People who would have at one time worked on their problems or thought long term when choosing a partner no longer do so because “there’s always divorce”. The push now is to define marriage, and now gender. Y’all can’t see the purpose of the “pregnant man”? In the next ten years your children and mine will probably be taught “there is no such thing as gender”. The problem with that is, the structure of society will be lost. Civilizations come and go, this one won’t remain long without some basic ground rules…

I didn’t read anywhere that he said they couldn’t come to church. He said they should walk in accord with God.

So yeah, that goes for the adulterous deacons, the whoring ushers, the lying choir members, and the cheating ministers too.

His point is, don’t come up in church with your sanctified self and your gay lover/shacking lover/etc and expect that to be ok. It isn’t.

What’s the problem?

The bible is the greatest story ever told and always at the top of the New York Times best-seller list. Who’s to say that the story hasn’t changed or been added to since it’s creation. Were you there to eyewitness it? The stories in the book were eyewitness accounts and to this day you can’t really trust an eyewitness account because sometimes people see things that didn’t really happen or they make the witnessed event sound bigger than what actually happened. I believe in a higher power but committing to a religion that can neither prove or disprove the stories of the bible with hard physical evidence is not something I’m willing to do. I believe someone or something is watching over us but as far as the bible and it’s tales, I will need more proof before I can commit to a religion!

You know what people in the church seem to be the most judgemental people I know and claim to be GOD filled. I’m sorry maybe you need to reread the bible you have no right to judge anyone. Gays and lesbians are GOD’s children and best believe he loves them endlessly. We are all individual divine expressions of GOD regardless who we sleep with…

And so It Is……

a gay person is not worse than a liar. it is written that all have sinned. also all sins are rqual in Gods eyes.

if the topic at hand was murder, i doubt there would be people bringing in the bible like this.

This is why gays feel prejudiced against. how can someone be more accomodating of one sin (eg adultery, fornication…) but wen it comes to gay people u are waging a war.

If people want to preach to or give advice to gays, it is not by making them feel less human – no one will listen to u that way. u do it gently with love and kindness.

Having said that there is no point arguing here bout this. The bible says what it says. The “christian” gays know what God has to say about their lifestyles. Let them explain to God why they ignored parts of His word on their judgement day.

Can we now have peace?

i have to agree to disagree…i don’t think it’s right to say that about gay’s or what ever they are, because people meet people and change…and a church is where it can reallt happen….and if he was a real man of God, he would know that there is no one sin greater than the other…..SIN IS SIN….God see’s it all the same….well thats what my Bible says….he needs do do his homework!

@ The Truth….i just read your post after i posted….lol…people! see what i’m saying….it’s true.

Separation of church and State folks. He said, “they shouldn’t be at church” meaning it is not accepted at church. He said, “I don’t have a problem with it”. The church is a separate entity protected under the laws of the US (unless something totally illegal is going on). The day that changes, I hope everyone was awake in social studies class during the subject of communism

LOL@ the gay dude with the spider man clothes.

There’s a woman who I was just thinking about today for some reason. Let me tell y’all about her story (this is a REAL story) that I read last year in PEOPLE MAGAZINE.

This woman was married and was/is a Christian. Her daughter became a lesbian and JUST LIKE Y’ALL this woman tried to FORCE the words of God down her daughter’s throat.

You know what her daughter did? SHE KILLED HERSELF.

Needless to say – this woman wishes EVERY……. SINGLE……. DAY that she can just hold her daughter ONE LAST TIME – and tell her how Proud she is of her and that she loves her.

Unfortunately, that mother will no longer be able to do that.

Just like so many other young people – TEENAGERS especially have taken their lives because of the RIDICULE and HATRED that people have against gays and lesbians.

So, would you rather keep FORCING the words of God / Man down someone’s throat until… what? The Guilt Kills Them?

IS THAT WHAT YOU ALL WANT?

Like, WTF. Get over it already!

Read Genesis 18-19 chapter.

MissBlaze43

JOHN 13:34-35

A “NEW” Commandment I give to you, that you love one another; even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. By THIS all men will know that you are my disciples, IF you have LOVE for one another.
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God didn’t mean these words to be construed when engaging in illicit affairs or same sex relationships. You are distoritng the gospel to suit your unclean life style.

God intended for sexual relations to be between married couples only. Male and female relations. God loathes homosexual relationships. It is forbidden inthe bible.

He quotes in 1 corinthians6:9

do not be misled neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men kept for unatural purposes, nor MEN WHO LIE WITH MEN nor thieves, nor greedy person nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit god’s kingdomm.

All of these sins are equally loathsome in god eyes. One sin does not outway another. He does not condone same sex relations at all. That is blasphemous.

A man and a woman can be engaging in premarital sex and claim to love one another.

God forbids this behavior as well. That is fornication. Sexual relations was for the sole purpose of procreation between male and female.

You can argue all day. God’s word does not change to suit a lifestyle that he forbids.

It’s disgusts me how Gays try to throw bible quotes about loving one another and turn it into some gay shit. If u wanna sin fine, but don’t try to use God’s word to justify it. Second stop trying to make it seem like we’re saying being gay is the only or eorse sin there is. Like I said earlier A SIN IS A SIN no matter which way you spin it. Whether you’re gay or straight.

@ Cutie

My thoughts as well without the vulgarity. I was shocked when I read those misquotes about love for one another.

God means having love for one another by treating one another with kindness, care consideration, nurtuing,. He meant love as a term of endearment.

Not unclean illicit affairs. That is deplorable to misconstrue gods word to engage in illicit conduct between homosexuals. Maybe he will be forgiving, but he certainly DOES NOT ACCEPT homosexuality or premarital sex.

Also about the being born gay thing. Whether your born gay or choose to be gay it’s a sin. It’s worse if you choose, it’s like a smack in God’s face. However even those who claim to be born gay can not use that to justify their homosexual activity. I’ll say again IT IS THE HOMOSEXUAL ACT THAT IS THE SIN, NOT BEING GAY. God wants you to come to him in these times. I personally see this as a test. To see if you’ll turn to him or subcumb to your own selfish desires of the flesh.

I just want to know how some of the people on this “Blog” can actually be taken seriously when they can’t conjugate the simple verb “to be”. Why argue when they can’t even be persuaded with reality and reason! Take religion, you all can have it. Just go hide away somewhere like the FLDS!

I think what Clifton is referring to is a LIFESTYLE of sin, i.e. homosexuality, fornication, adultery, lying, cheating, murdering, etc. If you are not following the Word of God and living any kind of way that is contrary to it (first off, I never argue about the Bible, especially with people that have never read it or that want to interpret it to fit their ideals when it obviously speaks clearly about some issues). I question a church where someone can sit every week and not be changed. I agree with Lady Architect above. He didn’t say to hell with gays so relax. I find it funny how people get all uptight and angry when someone has an opinion and then talk ish about someone else, i.e. the way people were on the Michelle Williams’ thread from yesterday. Talk about judging. We do it everyday. People were just flat out mean, but it was their opinion. You have yours and Clifton has his.

Mr. Amen needs to realize there is a thing on the tv called the on/off button. If he doesn’t want to see two women kissing (And i’m sure it has nothing to do with his “religion”) he can turn it off. Your church may be a house of god, but my tv isn’t so keep your two damn cents to yourself.

Again, nobody is thinking about how all of this goes long term. All of this would be understandable if there were some concrete, identifiable way to discern who is gay and who is not meaning gays were being discriminated against on sight, were not treated with respect as a rule, etc. However, that is not the case. You have people marching down the street to tell you wtf is going on in their bedroom with the demand that you not only accept it but be glad about it. This is not all gays, but you have the most vocal set proclaiming anyone who says “I simply do not agree” is homophobic. It’s ridiculous. Another thing, if the beef is with religion then don’t limit that beef to Christianity. I dare anyone to go to a mosque asking for acceptance.

@ Cutie

I agree.

There is a hormone in the brain that releases stimulation to the sexual organ.

It is released through visual, verbal, manual stimulation

Some have male and female hormones which attracts them to both sexes.

Others have one of the same sex which turns them to appeal to the same sex.

It is gods enemy the devil who implants this hormone at conception. It is a congenitive disorder used to contaminate, their soul and turn them in complete opposition to Jesus word.

Chloe and Cutie>>>Thank you for breaking that down so clear and concise.

yes good good. you are on the money

and cute..holler at ya boy

your welcome WORD TO THE WISE. I had to speak on it.

That’s funny, because back in the mid-80′s, it was rumored that he was gay! Wow!

I’m not judging. Only god is the Judge. We are all at his mercy. Don’t get incensed. I am qouting gods word. He is the almighty, the creator, and the father. We all for short of his glory.

I don’t want to speak to someone who is enraged because I won’t mis qoute the bible as accepting a gay lifestyle. That is between you and your master.

@ Clohe & @ Cutie

I quoted John 13:34 just as God meant for us to do, love one another – THAT includes Respect / Harmony / Being Humble, NOT JUDGING

like you two chicks are doing. Trying to make people believe I’m saying something else other than the way it was written in the Bible.

I WASN’T DOING THAT so the two of you can go somewhere with that shit. Don’t wait until I leave to make shit up about what I’ve written.

Does that mean he bans all sinners or just the gays?

Judging is a form of condemnation. I have no idea who is going to inherit gods kingdom. God is the judge.

@ Chloe

Don’t try to switch it up, Chloe. You said I misquoted the Bible – HOW when I wrote word for word what was written in the Bible. This is what you said about me:

My thoughts as well without the vulgarity. I was shocked when I read those misquotes about love for one another.

@ Miss Blaze

When you preach the word of the gospel, and speaking clearly about what gods plan is for us, that is not Judging. If you are living a life style that is forbidden by god don’t curse the messenger. Fornication is wrong, adultery is wrong.

If I chose to have relations with another womans husband It is wrong and forbidden in Jesus eyes. I may have love for him but it is a cursed, contemptuous aldulterous affair that is loathed by jesus.

I would never distort Jesus teachings to accomodate my lifestyle. The only thing I could do is repent and ask for forgiveness for my sins.

Not recognizing homosexuality is a sin is an error on your part. Don’t get mad with others for pointing it out through correction from gods teachings. That is not judging. Only god judges. He may chose to forgive the act. But He certainly does not condone it regardless of the emotions attached. Only god is the Judge, not man.

@ wtf

EXACTLY! That’s how it seems to me. Look at all the threads – you’d think EVERYBODY but gays & lesbians was going to heaven.

…and I sure don’t want to see women kissing [women] on the air. I’m offended by it.”

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I don’t like to see two women kissing either…I want to be a part of it…be apart of it too @ http://www.mockrockstar.com

I consider myself non-denominational, but I have christian beliefs. I believe jesus died for my sins and rose again and no matter what he’ll always be my lord & saviour. If I has to classify myself I’d be christian/baptist. And Second to the guy who said we black people were brain-washed as slaves to worship a white Jesus, get over yourself. First of all I choose my beliefs and was not brain-washed into them. Second the Bible does not say Jesus is white..Yes alot of churches and religious orgs. like to picture him this way but, lets face it in this world a white face is always more accepted and so I guess thats why it’s like that. For what it’s worth I don’t care what color jesus is, after all he’s done for me and those I love his skin color is the least thing I’m worried about.

@ Chloe

And may God Bless you, too. See that’s me NOT being mad – as you think I am.

I’m Bi-Femme, I know what the Bible says about it and when I meet my MAKER – then it’s be between HIM and ME. Not YOU. Point blank, simple as that.

@ Mock Rock Star

What’s up, Ma? I’m watching Erica’s Daughter, Bianca and her LOVER on All My Children.

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@ Sydney

Hey, Syd. I’ve been seeing that show on The History Channel. You know the one talking about DECEMBER 21, 2012. Nostradamus.

You know, the FIFTH DIMENSIONS and EARTH, WIND & FIRE have been dropping jewels about that date from years ago.

My comment won’t post. Oh well. Good night, all!

Hey Miss Blaze Is it on tonight?

Later, Sydney.

what an ass!

sinners are not welcomed in the house of the Lord?

and furthermore, this is strange coming from a member of the lavender mafia…

clifton, why don’t you tell everyone what happened with you and michael jackson?

if your theory is correct, YOU have no place in the Lord’s house, let alone at the head of the table…

hypocrite

Cutie:

Their point was you wouldn’t have choose this religion if it wasn’t forced onto our ancestors.

Naw, you know I can hold my on up in this piece!

@ Blaze

I’m far from judgemental. The way I see it we’re all sinners, but it’s when people try to act as though what they’re doing is an exception to the rule. Point blank if YOU participat in homosexual acts your sinning just like the next.

The Bible don screwed some of yalls heads up!!

@ Cutie

And God Bless you, too. I’ve been done with you and Chloe on this. God will judge me – NOT you two broads!

@ Redd Tony

I’VE BEEN WAITING FOR YOUUUUUU!!!

@ Missnee

I’ve studied many other religions, never practiced,but studied thoroughly so no matter what wa forced on someone else it isn’t forced on me. The slave point is irrelevant anyway because it’s not like the religion wouldn’t have existed if slavery didn’t.

When the Moon is in the 7th house and Jupiter aligns with Mars…

Dude, the FIFTH DIMENSIONS and Earth Wind & Fire have been dropping jewels about what we were talking about last week – DECEMBER 21, 2012.

This is just ridiculous. If people actually studied the historical period in which the bible took place, they would know that homosexuality as we know is not what the writers of the Bible would even know or care to write about!! The practice known as homosexuality of that time would be known now as PEDOPHILIA! Besides, God is much more worried about people starving, be killed, enslaved, and wars then sex!!! Hence almost each chapter of the Bible consistently talks about loving your neighbor. It says a lot about a culture when people are more angered and offend by two people loving each other than drugs, violence, and stealing.

What up MissBlaze!

@ Redd Tony

My friend wanted me to ask you about some 13-month calendar, it’s related to the Mayan calendar as well.

Oh, and by all means – please shed some light on the Bible as well.

You people twist anything around so you have an excuse to be atheists and criticize believers. I believe what i believe and you believe your nothingness

@ Cutie

And as have I. That doesn’t make what I said any less true. And no one said it wouldn’t exist, but I am very certain that you wouldn’t be a practicing christianity. You’d be a muslim if that religion was practiced by slave masters.

Let’s see if this posts. Quakerchica just touched upon a point I wanted to make — It’s highly ironic to me that individuals bring forth the image of “Sodom and Gomorrah” in reference to homosexuality when we have a host of issues — including a rising out-of-wedlock birth rate — that have nothing to do with whether Adam loves Steve.

@ Cutie

HOLD THE PHONE – Did this chick just Say “you people”?

Oh no. It’s time for you to move it along now, for real!

It posted!

Oh, and there are a number of ministers and “church folk” who have a list of their own “sins” for which they need to atone.

@ Sydney

I KNOW THAT’S RIGHT!!!!

@ Blaze

I say what I want you don’t like it don’t read it.

Cutie:

That’s exactly why I became an atheist!!! nail on head.

Has nothing to do with thinking that religion is a crock of shit made to control a segment of the population with a giant book of tall tales that are still being told to this day.

In order to believe in christianity I would have to believe that everything that has been said in the bible is true, but my logical thought process knows that to be bullshit.

Well lookie here… THE “L” WORD IS ON!!

And another thing, some of the most ardent “church folk” who love to quote Scripture and pass judgement are some of the meanest, myopic, provincial individuals I’ve come across.

And that’s the truth, Ruth.

@ Redd Tony

Where’d you go?

@ Missnee

Dare I ask what do you believe? The Big BanG theory perhaps(LMAO)

he is right. who wants to see a women kissing another women or man kissing another man. It has just become to common now, with friend and family and people want to stand up for their loved ones so they want to make it ok. Remember you can’t stand with them before God and try to plead their case. He done already told you its wrong. Yes he said love one another man and women but not make love to the same sex. Read you bibles no where in there does it say homosexuality of ok or right . he speaks against it and those that accpect it.

There’s no such thing as keeping sin out of the church……..that’s what the church is for.
If there were no sinners……there’d be no congregation…….DUH !

@ miss Nene

Hells mouth is wide open just for you.

Christanity is not even a religon to believe in. SEE you have your mouth open and don’t no your religons. First you never put your mouth on a man that has been called bye GOD. Try reading your bible before you join in a conversation. Read the new testament which we are living in He tells you all about the sin (including homosexuality) Remember this work you are living in is going to end only for you to face him. Then what are you going to say… Remember its not according to you, me or anyone, just him. Oh and you don’t get a pass saying oh I thaught , because you gave you the bible to read. go head keep doing what you want and see where it gets you. you having fun now what happens when judgement day happens for you. PLEASE READ YOUR BIBLE , DON’T LET YOUR SOUL BE LOST , BECAUSE YOU CHOSE TO HAVE FUN ON EARTH. HE SAID BE NOT CONFORMED TO THIS WORLD , BUT TRANSFORMED. SINCE YOU DON’T KNOW THE BIBLE LET ME TRANSLATE… DON’T DO WHAT YOU SEE OTHER PEOPLE DO , DO THE THE WORD SAIDS TO BE (THE BIBLE) IT MAY SEEM OLD FASHSION OR LAME TO YOUR FRIENDS BUT YOUR FRIENDS ARE NOT THE WAY TO HEAVEN!!!!

@ ON THE LOOSE

there is sin , then their are sinners…DUH.
Which means don’t bring what you do (the sin) to church. But you the (sinner) come to get cleasned from the sin. I see you don’t attend church or red your bible either.

That’s an a**ed backwards way of thinking for a minister. You should want them to come to church and maybe they’ll be changed (even though I don’t think people choose to be that way. My preacher thinks (and I quote him) “it’s wrong as two left shoes” but he said that he would never turn them away he’d always welcome them and pray with them and try and help them. Church is where the sinners go, we all sin. No matter how much we try to live right we all slip up including our ministers, preachers, ect.. I don’t mean BIG stuff little stuff like the wrong thought about someone or getting ready to curse someone out. I wouldn’t want to be a part of a church where the sinners are turned away and left to the world. What about fornicators, liars, cheaters? Where does it stop? I know he was asked a question and answer but I mean really, if they can’t go to the church for help then where should they go?

Clifton Davis should not stand next to a bon fire with a can of gasoline.

And yes, I thought he was gay….

It appears that Clifton Davis’ words may have been misinterpreted. I don’t think he was saying that he doesn’t want gays to be a part of the Church. Davis is saying that He, meaning God, loves sinners despite their sin, but He (God) wants them without sin.

I think it could have been said better because it does seem to be implying that gays are not welcome in the House of God. But, that would be just ignorant cuz the Church (not the building, but the people of Christ) is filled with people who need help with their sin.

And what would you have them do Clifton? marry women and live the straight lifestyle to appease you and the “black church going community”?

I just want to throw this question out. For those of you that believe gay people choose, or are somehow “taught” their sexual orientation then how did you, a heterosexual, “learn” to be straight?

is that self denial talking? because I had always thought he was gay back in the Thats my Momma days and my gaydar was beeping overtime when he was on Amen

@ Good intentions,

I dont think people would care about what gays did as long as we arent subject to your displays. You already have every right such as employment protections, sharing of benefits, adoption, cohabitationand being listed as life partners, you people can even have your civil ceremony. But asking the mass population to support a marraige between two men or two women is wrong, morally wrong.

Clifton Davis was gay back in the day, but he’s a changed man. He wasn’t saying that gays should not be in the church. People got defensive and took it that way; he’s just saying that HE believes it’s an ungodly activity (like so many others things) and it should’ve be allowed to fester in the church. If you are gay and you believe your lifestyle is correct, so be it. Live your life because we all have to stand before our Maker one of these days and give an account of our actions and deeds. When we do, we will stand alone.

*shouldn’t be*

@ oakland

I will continue to live my life the way that I want. First you have to believe in heaven and hell for any of what you said to matter. I don’t.

You keep talking to me like I believe in god. I don’t

I don’t KNOW (“No” isn’t the correct word, honey) my religions? Please, Oakland school me on religions. I mean I grew up in a christian/catholic home, so I must no know anything about it. Old testament/New testament, it’s all useless to me. I live my life as a good person, help out in my community. If you follow the teachings of jesus, you’d know that is the most important side of the christian teachings. Not who’s gay, who’s having babies outta wedlock, who’s having sex while unmarried. If that’s what’s up for judgement, then i’m glad i stopped falling for that mess.

I suggest you know how to spell and put together a sentence that doesn’t make my head hurt while reading it.

@ Sunshine

Here’s the thing, your religious morals should have no standing on how the government does business. If someone was to just walk into the church and have a priest perform a ceremony, the marriage would not be legal.

No one is asking you to accept a marriage between 2 men or women, BUT you should have no say if they are allowed to be married or not. See that’s the thing people like you don’t understand. No one is asking you to get married to someone of the same sex, so what’s your problem?

Again, your religious morals(bigotry) should not be entertained, because not everyone is a christian. You think being gay is a choice, well I think your religion is a choice.

When does everyone get to have a say in your life?

firstly in Ephesians it talks about the church being his body…not the building on the corner and scriptures go further to say “I dwell not in temples made with man’s hands…so whos to say the so-called lord is in there anyway…

whats usually left out of these types of discussions is why does homosexuality exist anyway?
in Romans 1:19-20 it takes the natural to understand the spiritual, so what we see manifested in the physical is a representation of what exist in the spirit realm…which is the reality…..if your mind can conceive this homosexuality is displayed to show forth how man with man or woman with woman is in type and shadow the same sex communicating with the same sex…meaning that…if you are are absent of the holy spirit which is divine intelligence, wisdom, knowledge, love, beauty,justice, foundation, power, and strength then the only thing you are left with is relying on your own understanding and that would be like you relying on you…or spiritual homosexuality…so it is expressed out here in the earth for us to see how mankind simple relies on his or her own ideas, concepts and opinions on anything…especially secular matters…and that positively retards of lives in every vocation….. you can apply this to why does anything exist…not upholding homosexuality or anything like but really…yeah who is not guilty of sin cast the first stone….and isn’t the church or temple made for sinners anyway….this sounds like the scribes and Pharisees who constantly found something better about themselves….smh

Religion sux.

@ sunshine 305
I’m not gay. I appreciate your response and I’m going to assume ( correct me if I’m wrong) that you believe that you choose your sexual orientation. Which leads me back to my original question. Not trying to start an internet fight. Just throwing out something to think about. See discussions like this, about sexual orientation, usually go nowhere because many people fail to be straight up and just say one of three things: ” I believe you choose to be gay or straight”, ” I believe that you are born gay or straight” or ” I believe that both nature and nurture play an important role in sexual orientation”.

it’ll only be a matter of time before clifton’s skeletons start falling out of the closet.

leave gay people alone.

Where will people put their foot down and draw the line? Being gay is fine. That’s your choice, but don’t expect everyone else to place their stamp of approval on something that is wrong. I won’t pay the price for backing the BS.

What happens when some guy wants to marry his hamster? He is in love and can’t help being a freak so he gets a civil union? What if some guy’s dream wife is the third grader next door? He can’t help who he is attracted to, right? WRONG!

I don’t care if 95 percent of the world wakes up tomorrow and starts waving the rainbow flags, to give gays the right to marry is to flip the middle finger to the man upstairs. Won’t happen. This isn’t about rights. This is about cosigning on unnatural behavior. Hello, the muscle is designed to push out for a reason.

Live a gay life. Kiss your gay partner in the streets. Getting married is not your right. If you really wanted a real marriage, you wouldn’t be messing with someone who has the same equipment as you.

The reason you want God out of government is so every abomination known will be legalized.

This is some BS. A toke is illegal, but two dudes can get married and adopt kids? At least the toke is natural. Adam and Steve isn’t.

What happens when some guy wants to marry his hamster? He is in love and can’t help being a freak so he gets a civil union? What if some guy’s dream wife is the third grader next door?
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Yes thats totally logical,this is the next logical step after gay marraige, except in some fundamentalist Mormon communities men are already marrying third graders, but I highly doubt that the legalization of gay marraige, will result in anarchy. Canada has legalized it, and they have yet to witness the apocolypse.
It always tickles me when folks whine about “GOd being taken out of Government” as if Gods presence was ever in government in the first place. Please I dont care how much politicians hide behind “faith” this country’s history and policies, are anything but GODLY. Stop lookin for saints in a whorehouse.
As far as homosexuality, ehh I have my own sins to be concerned about, then to get the holy ghost on a damn gossip blog of all places. My question is why Bossip had to get the Worst pic of a homosexual that is possible?! did he get those pj’s in the toddler section?

Look, I wouldn’t walk into a church where the religion is of a white supremacist type. Gay people: grow up, not everyone is going to like you. Form your own churches — but don’t force your lifestyle on the church. Yes, Clifton should not be talkin’ but he has a point — the church isn’t subjected to the State as it is in many European countries — that is supposedly why this church is founded. Not everyone is going to like you, not everyone is going to hate you. But why don’t you form your own churches instead of forcing other religions to accept your lifestyle? By the way, sin is sin. No one likes the church troublemaker, fornicator, thief — all those types are in the pews and all that ish is not condoned, yet you want your sin to be excused? If so, you need to start your own church. And don’t come at me about me being against gays. I believe in gay marriage even though my religion says it is a sin; I don believe though that as an American, gays should have the same rights as others — I just don’t think churches should be forced to accept gays. Again, if you want your sin to be excused over all others, form your own church. Y’all would make a lot of money with your gospel choir concerts and bake sales (compliment, not a bigoted statement) and then maybe you can contribute to AIDS organizations and political action committees to get same-sex marriage.

And again no one gets it Y do u feel like u need to give ur permission for someone else to live their life? Who are u are u God? Did God leave u in charge? You guys sit up here and say this is immoral and this that and the third, which one of you wAS THERE WHEN THE BIBLE WAS WRITTEN? a historical artifact written by man re-published re-written, translated thousands of times. U dont think somethings were lost in translation? and what about thats not even the complete bible? and alot of ppl didnt even know that till recently so come on, think ppl seriously. Gay ppl on a whole get a really bad rap from being confused with pedophilia and saying its a choice is crazy to me. Seriously tho some of you guys need to get out there and stop living under ur churches and bibles and you will see that its not as simple as u think it is. Alot of stupid comments made by some ppl *THE DEVIL* patronizing idiot its assholes like you who dont help the situation. Live and let Live and let the creator worry bout a sinner, thats not your job, you may not condone it, but no one, gay people included should feel the need to get anyones approval to be with their lover thats their biz mind your own.

this is all so funny. in the 70s it was a big rumour that clifton davis and teenage michael jackson were an item.

and all this bible stuff is givin me a tylenol. the bible was written when tribes needed to reproduce in order to defend and survive by numbers. that issue, just like shellfish, is no longer releveant. grow a brain.

People wonder why the youth are now turning away from the church…constant judgement by the folks who should be giving guidance.

This subject truly divides Christians around the world. I actually did not go to churh for 7 months because of the critisim of gays. Not because I’m gay, but because I believe gays are born gays. It took me a while to find my way back, but I have.

@ DOC read the book of romans first second chapter and judge for yourself. Let people lie thier life, as TI and RiRI say.

Live your live

LIFE LIFE LIFE, That’s what I am trying to type. Live your Life. And do whatever you like.

All of you are wrong. Mr. davis is wrong. The church is where sinners go to repent and All are welcome. If a church doesn’t let everyone in or closes its doors to some its not a church. Don’t be a fool and go in that church for the bible says beware the false prophets. Picking and choosing which sins are better or worse is not for us to do. Also The bible called homosexuality an abomination–not a sin. look up the word–it means its ugly–not against god. People saying that gays should die of aids are forgetting that cancer kills everyone like aids and like cancer not only gays get it–and any other life threatning ailment too. Those statements show your ignorance not your anger. Also where in the bible does it say being gay is a sin? And how do you know that they are going to hell? And which bible are you reading? There are more than the King James’ version of the bible and they don’t all say the same thing. When we speak of sin remember venial and cardinal sins are only different if our catholic. For everyone else–sin is sin. And the bible states the liars go to the lake of fire in hell –where do gays go? Judge ye not lest ye be judged.

FYI, Mary Frances Berry, former chairwoman of the Commission on Civil Rights, wrote an interesting op-ed on gay rights this week in the NY Times. Excerpt below:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/16/opinion/16mfberry.html?ref=opinion

AS the country prepares to enter the Obama era, anxiety over the legal status and rights of gays and lesbians is growing. Barack Obama’s invitation to the Rev. Rick Warren, an evangelical pastor who opposes same-sex marriage, to give the invocation at his inauguration comes just as the hit movie “Milk” reminds us of the gay rights activism of the 1970s. Supporters of gay rights wonder if the California Supreme Court might soon confirm the legitimacy of Proposition 8, passed by state voters in November, which declares same-sex marriage illegal — leaving them no alternative but to take to the streets.

To help resolve the issue of gay rights, President-elect Obama should abolish the now moribund Commission on Civil Rights and replace it with a new commission that would address the rights of many groups, including gays.

The fault lines beneath the debate over gay rights are jagged and deep. Federal Social Security and tax benefits from marriage that straight people take for granted are denied to most gays in committed relationships. And because Congress has failed to enact a federal employment nondiscrimination act, bias against gays in the workplace remains a constant threat.

Don’t shoot the Messenger. He’s only speaking what the Bible says.

He is crazy. Church is meant for sinners. So if gays are not allowed in church then all the fornicators and all other sinners should leave too. If all sinners left the church including the pastors there would be no church, because no one is perfect. If Pastor Davis is so perfect then why isn’t he in heaven already. Sin is sin gay or not. Why don’t the pastor’s leave the gay people alone. If that is how they want to lead their life let them go ahead only God can judge them.

Hold on a second – My family knows this “preacher” and growing up my mother ALWAYS said he was “sweet” So who the hell is he to talk??? Can someone help me figure this ish out?

Clifton walks around Philly with pancake makeup on and super tight pants like he’s having a 70′s flashback to Studio 54. If it walks like a duck, and wears makeup like a duck….

While sinners do belong in church, it is to find the strength and motivation to discontinue the sins. There are many hypocrites in the church, but they will have to answer for their actions.

What does NOT belong in the church is an acceptance of homosexuality. Sorry, gay people, but those who follow religions which believe being gay is not what God wanted should not be expected to “accept” the way you live when it is seen as sin. If you want to go to church for spiritual guidance, be ready to hear that your choices aren’t the way. If you can’t handle that, stay out of the church.

How hard is that?

Ummmmm if it is an abomination to God don’t you think it’s something he is unhappy about? I hate when people try to twist the bible to fit unjustness. Sin is sin, homosexuality or not. Homosexuals should not be excused for their sin. You don’t hear murderers and liars coming up with ways to excuse what they do and say they should get into heaven because they are special. If it’s wrong it’s wrong. And how do you know that gays won’t get into heaven, have you read Corinthians? Stop trying to excuse gay behavior. No one excuses people when they kill, in fact when someone kills someone the first thing someone says is “they should rot in hell.” Is that not judging? But when someone points out the obvious wrong in homosexuality everyone get their panties in a bunch and tries to excuse it. Yes they should be allowed to go to church but to continue the lifestyle after they make a conscious decision to follow Christ is not right. If they don’t like it, don’t become a Christian. This following scripture isn’t from King James by the way.

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 -
6:9 Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived! The sexually immoral, idolaters, adulterers, passive homosexual partners, 1 practicing homosexuals, 2 6:10 thieves, the greedy, drunkards, the verbally abusive, 3 and swindlers will not inherit the kingdom of God. 6:11 Some of you once lived this way. 4 But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ 5 and by the Spirit of our God.

Why is homosexuality a worst sin than adultery?

And more people cheat than those that are gay…

God did not want adultery, pedophilia, murder, and LYING, but yet they all exist in church…

So why is homosexuality such a point of contention for people?

Can you answer for this person’s sins?

Who are you to judge?

Tell us YOUR SINS…

I think when God tallies it up, it won’t be which sin was greater but rather how many times you willingfully sinned without atoning and repenting…

The people that usually take offense to a homosexual lifestyle or usually the people that are repressed and AFRAID to live the lifestyle…

*are

This goes beyond just being a sin. It isn’t normal.

Look around. There are creatures who can mate with any member of their species. They are equipped to do some. If being gay is “natural” and “ok”, why must gays improvise in order to have relations?

Stop trying to justify the way you live as right. It isn’t. Nature shows that. If nature had planned on homosexuality being the norm, we would all be bi hermaphrodites. Just because it occurs doesn’t mean we should embrace it and love it.

Every single one of us are sinners. Every single person that sits in church on Sunday have sin in their lives in some shape or form. God does not place one sin over another. Sin is sin. If gay people should stay out of church, so should people who are fornicating. Or people who have ever told a lie. Or people who have any impure thoughts whatsoever. WE ARE ALL SINNERS. The beauty of it is…we’re all covered by the grace and blood of Jesus Christ. He is the only one who can judge us. Not Clifton Davis.

Not everyone who won’t support gays being married, which is the big argument right now, is basing it on religion. In religion, it is a no go. Scientifically, there is no proof that being gay is either normally occurring nor meant to be accepted. Just because some people are does not mean it is a natural trait such as hair color or skin tone. There are known to be defective genes which cause abnormalities. No one has proven being gay is not a result of a gene issue.

Str8 truth you need to do research before commenting. The truth is that homosexuality is not limited to the human species. It has been observed and recorded in dolphins, elephants, monkeys, dogs and the list goes on.

The fact is that people use the bible to support their agenda including white supremacist who quote from the bible: “slave obey your master.”

Some books of the bible say, author unknown. Are you really going to go along with everything in the bible when you don’t even know who wrote certain passages and what their prejudices and agenda might be?

Did you ever play that game in school where everyone sits in a circle and you start with one message and see what it has morphed into by the time it gets all the way around? Lets hope that didn’t happen with the bible because 2,000 years later maybe we have it completely backwards.

Jesus preached love and acceptance and he chose to hang around the people who were shunned and outcast. So if He shows up at your church Str8 truth, He’ll probably be outside with all the gays you are so quick to judge.

If slavery never happened, the majority of black people would know nothing about Christianity. The same Bible some of you have used to defend your stance on why homosexuality is wrong is the same Bible that was used against our ancestors to justify slavery.
Everybody wants to bring up Sodom and Gomorrah from the Bible but no one talks about the underlying story in that story. So I guess its ok to offer your daughter to gay “rapist” in order to save angels…..women are only property so who cares!… right?

I seriously advise everyone to dust off their Bibles and read it for yourself instead of receiving the highlights from Sunday morning service. The book is based on astrology ladies and gentlemen just like all other religions. The names and places just have been changed to fit a certain ethnic group.

The truth is no one knows how we got here or what happens when we die. Since the beginning of humanity people have been trying to answer those questions and it hasn’t happened yet! if we all learn to treat each other with respect and how we’d want to be treated, we’ll be ok. I could care less what 2 consenting adults do in their bedroom and I’d like to think no one cared what I did in mine! There are bigger fish to fry.

Uzcomnsenz…. AMEN!!!

Tiani – you are what’s wrong with the world and truly, truly need (the real, non-judgemental, not the one so-called “Christians” tout) Jesus.

i dont understand why plp dont realize that the new testament is what we live by and the old testament is for learning and since homosexuality is talked about and condemed in both testaments whereas other things in the old testament such as slavery etc. are not shows that the gay lifestyle has always and will forever be a sin

Ne-Yo will dressing like dude in I say……………6 months.

I could have sworn that Clifton Davis was gay!!! There was some serious rumors going around, around the time that he was on the Gong Show. Also, hate the sin, not the sinner!

To: Tian Parker

What you said was, SO wrong. Now, is that the Christian way?

Tiani,

Try spell check before you post. You speak of exterminating people. You sound like Hitler. Congratulations. BTW, where’d you learn to think like that? Church?

kiesha please tell me where in the new testament they talk about homosexuality? Cause i haven’t seen it. Some of the “Christians” who have been posting are the reason Christianity has been given a bad name – they are some of the most hateful people I’ve ever seen. What would Jesus do? Considering he walked with the downtrodden i highly doubt that he would be so hateful and downtrodden. What these ‘Christians” basically are saying is that they are bette than anyone else, and that goes against the whole concept of Christianity. They should check the credentials of their “pastors.”

Clifton Davis is probably gay, anyone can see that with their eyes. There are a lot of pastors who can’t stand that part of themselves and go out and preach hatred against their own, like Ted Haggard here in colo. Hypocrites. That’s why i urge everyone to check their own pastor’s credentials, especially if they “protest too much.”

A friend of mine was in a Philly barber shop with Clifton who had on more makeup than Tammy Faye. My friend is a buff, personal trainer and Clifton was making eyes at him the whole time he was in the chair. I don’t usually post as much as I have today by this hypocrisy and hatred needs to stop.

I don’t understand how saying something is wrong is judging. God also wants us to share his gospel, and his gospel says sin is wrong no matter what it is. Just because Christians tell the truth doesn’t mean they are judging. If you tell your child that cutting the girl’s hair in class was wrong, does that mean you are judging? No. Stop throwing around “you christians are judging” just because we tell the truth. Nowhere have I seen a post from a Christian who gave scriptures proving that the sin in question is wrong say that they hate gays. They just say the lifestyle is not of God ALONG WITH ALL OTHER SIN!

I believe the point he is making that God’s condones all pre-martial sex (gay and straight)period. Now as humans we have free will to do whatever we want, but that still doesn’t change what God says.

Also, yes sinners are allowed in church, but really if you just got out of bed with your boyfriend/girlfriend (gay or straight) after just having sex and then roll up into church with an after-glow, please believe that God isn’t happy or thinking you are cute.

ok im gay. i havent always lived a gay lifestyle but at the same time looking back on my life i feel ive always been gay. ive been the most comfortable with myself since i started living my life the way i desired to live it so i feel it was always in me and just a matter of time b4 it came out so i cant say i was born gay but really i dont think it was a choice. i feel like its something that was in me from the beginning. feel however you want about that but thats my take on it for myself. im definitely not a gay activist by any means. im not looking for anyone to support my cause or make me feel better about my lifestyle. if you dont agree with it thats fine. i dont know you so that does not affect me. i dont think when gays march or “parade” around for their cause its because they want you to accept it, i think its more of wanting ppl to come to an understanding that we are all human beings, gay rights is a human right issue (im gay and i’m human which makes this a human rights issue for me), i dont have to get married in a church or get married at all. give me a civil union, thats fine but along with that i should be able to add my partner as a beneficiary, or add her to my healthcare plan because she doesnt have healthcare (just an example, not my true situation). if you dont like the way i live thats fine. you believe one day i will meet my maker and have to explain ym actions…fine…but why do i have to fight you tooth and nail for my rights here on earth? you are not the creator, you’re going by the same book as everyone else. you dont know the author of the Bible, you were not there when it was written. im not arguing whether or not the Bible is the truth, but those are facts, you dont know, you go off faith which is fine. BUT i dont cause harm to anyone. i get up every morning, go to work, and pay my bills, run my errands just like the next person. i really couldnt care less how you feel about me personally but when your personal beliefs (and yes your religious beliefs are still your personal beliefs because i may not have the same belief system as you) start infringing on my rights as a human being then i have to fight for my rights. as i stated several times, you dont have to like me or what im doing, you dont have to accept it, thats fine but gays arent going anywhere so give them the HUMAN RIGHTS that they deserve. practice your religion, preach it (be careful how you preach it if you want ppl to actually listen to you) but feel free to preach it, doesnt bother me one way or the other, but once you’ve said your piece leave me be to make up my own mind and dont take away my rights if i decide not to listen to you. You are MAN of flesh and blood just like me. I will not allow your judgements to alter my life.

And for the person who questioned if this is addressed in the NT of the bible:

Romans 1:26-271 Corinthians 6:9-10

@ Fools

I completeley agree. Everybody screams oh christians are so judgemental, where is the judgement. All people are doing is stating the facts. HOMOSEXUAL ACTS ARE A SIN. You can sit here and say oh I’m practicing homosexuality and I’m a christian, but there is nothing christ-like about homosexuality. The Bible clearly states this is a sin no matter how the Gays try to spin it. I’m not judging just stating facts. I feel we are all sinners and it’s up to us to repent. However, if you are living the homosexual lifestyle and practicing homosexual acts repentance will only do good for so long. You have to decide to no longer live in that sin or the lord will give you over to that sin. Sin is not worth anyone’s soul and salvation.

PLEASE READ THIS: Some ppl hear something passed down from IGNORANCE and run with it. I wonder how many of these ppl quoting Sodom and Gomorrah actually read their bibles. The sin of Sodom and Gomorrah was NOT homosexuality. This coming from someone who researches religions. The sin of the men towards the angels was RAPE, not homosexuality. Ezekiel clearly states the sin.

Ezekiel 16:49-50

49 Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness (sic) of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy.

50 And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.

Rape, inhospitality, pride, more than enough idle time on their hands and enough to eat but they cared not for thed poor and needy. Does this remind you of the 20th Century?
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If you did your research you would know of the culture in those days and their reasons for certain laws. The bible was written by man not by God himself. And how do you know God is a he?? We know the Bible was written by man b/c of the mistakes. Like thinking that the Earth is flat and someone can be shaken off of the edge of it. Or by thinkg that the Sun revolves around the Earth. I know some ppl take the Bible literally and I respect that but the truth is, no one follow the Bible to a tee. Everyone twists it to fit their needs. IF you say the Bible makes no exceptions then , there can’t be suddenly exceptions to divorce(something Jesus was clearly against), obeying your parents(do you do EVERYTHING they tell you to??? etc. And also, Paul wrote Romans and the letter to the Corithian church. Paul was against homosexuality, but Paul also said that women are to be silent in the Church and that a man who doesn’t work wont eat. Jesus said give your money to the poor. Who do you follow?

I’m not saying homosexuality is right or wrong. But hate is hate. PPl seem to ignore Jesus’ two GREATEST commandments, “Love thy God with all thy heart” and “Love thy neighbor as thyself”. If everyone did this everything else would be irrelevant. If you dont want to be treated poorly, dont treat anyone else that way. PERIOD.

What rights don’t gays have. They can’t get married, get over it, it’s been that way since the beginning of time. Gays are always yelling how people are trying to force beliefs down their throat, what about all the gay things being nforced on society. The nerve of these gay rights activists trying to put homosexuality in our schools. Trying to make it MANDATORY for schools to teach children as youg as KINDERGARTEN about homosexuality, how dare they. This gay stuff is getting so out of hand, Gay shows, Gay everything. It’s like being gay is the new straight(LOL). Live your Lives but don’t be so sensitive when others aren’t supportive of your lifestyle and don’t try to force people to be accepting of it.

@ Donny Boi

You need to read and understand what you read. I am well aware that behavior is found in other species. Defective genes and abnormalities are not limited to humans. You do understand that, don’t you? Just because abnormal behavior feels good and is practiced by other groups doesn’t make it acceptable.

The pro gay argument is beginning to sound a lot like the,”Everyone else is doing it.” BS

Animals engage in activities humans neither do or accept. Must I point some of them out.

Basically, give it up. This lifestyle will have a very hard time ever being accepted, let alone legally condoned, and gays just have to accept that.

Cutie:

I’m not trying to attack you, but I feel so sorry for you. Gays dont want or need your approval. They want LEGAL rights. The LEGAL right to visit their sick loved one in the hospital without being told they aren’t family so they cant see them. Would you know what that feels like? You may not agree with their lifestyle and you dont have to but the DESERVE legal rights just like everybody else simply because they are human. Your negativity is only going to bring more negative things your way. Our kids will learn about sex and homosexuality from their friends and TV and everybody else. Why wouldn’t you want to them to be taught about it in a structured environment? I personally dont want my kids learning about sex in school PERIOD, but a lot of parents dont TEACH their kids about sex and kids get themselves in trouble.

Everyone needs to understand that what is acceptable/unacceptable to you doesn’t make it law. Just b/c a majority agrees on something doesn’t make it fact. And that goes BOTH ways. In some civilizations homosexuality was viewed as sacred. In a certain tribe, when a boy becomes a man he has to give oral sex to an Elder in the tribe. Are they wrong?? We could say so, but to them, it’s “normal”. What is “normal”. What a group of other PEOPLE(just like you and me) says it is??? That’s so narrow minded.

@ cutie you answered your question right off the bat and if you’re argument is for me to ” get over it” im sorry but that does not work. i cant get over not have the same legal rights as you. maybe i should be able to but im a human being just like you and if you read my post i said i am not a gay activist, im not telling anyone to teach that in schools, i dont think sex should be taught in schools at all, it should be taught in the homes by the parents. again you dont have to like me or what i do but i will not ” get over it” when as Jewel stated I would be denied to see my loved one in the hospital or if i can’t allow my dependent to be whom i choose because you dont agree with it for whatever reason be it religious or whatever.

@Always Knew

let’s review……….

WoW! I am not feeling all this stuff in the news for the last 3 months, about gays. If you want to be gay, be gay. STOP PUSHING ALTERNATIVE LIFESTYLES TO EVERYONE ELSE. Live your life.

^ thats exactly what gays are trying to do, although heteros feel the need to get in their business and tell them how to live their lives. white people are simply following the bible (which says that slavery is acceptable) when they discriminate against blacks, so is it wrong for blacks to protest for their rights?

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And no, I don’t want my kids to play with your yours, I don;t want to have you over and no to dinner, play dates, schools and television…When hey get old enough there will be more than enough time for them to deal with wordly issues,

^that would qualify as hatred in disquise, and judgement. you are treating gays like they are some force of evil and alienating them as if they will do harm to someone, when they are regular people just like you.

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HOWEVER, I’m getting tired of all thee gay guys EVERYWHERE, wanting to get married, wanting to adopt, wanting to bring all their stuff out of the closet and be equal, like everyone else….

^i think whites can argue that same point about blacks, however again you are passing judgement and the great book says it is not your place.
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In the United States, slavery was outlawed a while ago, but it some parts it still exists…Same thing with this ‘gay’ stuff…People acknowledge it but don’t want to deal with it everyday , all day..Blacks are still fighting for roghts, and it is till ongoing, s for gays to think that their struggles will all be over, is stupid…It takes time and patience. That Prop 8 stuff and all the other ‘celebs’ who come out in support of this, turns my stomach…

^already addressed this. it’s not about what you feel is right by religion it’s about the same equality gay or not black or white, we are all people. what turns my stomach is that fact that blacks actually feel its common place for them to judge, when half of them can’t even get their lives together and finish high school, grade school for most. living off child support and part time jobs. i think the heteros might be the ones with the issues. if america took a vote one whether they felt black should have rights in america today, theres a 98.9% chance we’d be back in slavery tomorrow, ponder that for a minute.
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These 2 issues are NOT the same..And all of this could be easy, if gays would get their own gay church, so then they could all be gay together….

^ these to issues are very much the same. a right is a right as a sin is a sin. point is blacks and gays are fight the same battle, blacks are to ignorant and hypocritical, one days sin, next day righteous, you do the comparison. cuz if you took a few minutes to compare the too and knew your history and “bible” then you would very much see the connection.

point is don’t retract, stick to your guns. you don’t like gay people. don’t try and cover it up like people do when they are accused of being racist, and retract with that “i got a gay hair dresser”. lol you are then you are contradicting yourself. you don’t have to agree with my logic, you wouldn’t, i have an open mind, and i believe in peoples freedom to be happy without ridicule from those who are enslaved in their closed minds. gays aint hurting noone, but hetero men are raping innocent women and children everyday, think about that one.

@ Jewel

You dont’ have to feel sorry for me. I’m an educated, successful, intelligent, businesswoman and I’m far from narrow minded. Just because I don’t believe homosexuality is right I’m narrowminded. I feel sorry for you, clearly your the more narrowminded of the two of us. Don’t criticize me for what I believe. And stop with this gays can’t visit their sick relatives BS. I’ve visited plenty of people who I’m not kin to. Besides that rule is for everyone about visitors not just Gays. Thats exactly what I mean trying to turn everything into an attack on Gays. How long have these rules existed? Long before Gays started marching with rainbow flags. Just like everyone says the gays whole agenda is 2 play victim and I’m so over it.

I agree @ Str8 truth. Some animals feed their young their own regurgitation, eat their defication, eat their mates, along with a host of other things so does that mean it is okay and accepting that humans do it? No. Like I said, everyone here criticizing Christians for what they chose to live by are judgemental. You try and force your opinions down OUR throats, then criticize us because we don’t accept it and stand firm in our beliefs. You call us names, talk bad about us which is fine. I have never seen a true Christian after telling God’s truth call a gay names, or spew all this hatred. Who is the hatred really coming from, not us. And no everyone does not twist the word to fit their needs. IF they are a true follower they know the word and God doesn’t change and follow it. People talk about the gay rules being in the old testament, but they are in the new testament too after Jesus. So take some time and study yourself. If you continue the lifestyle and try to justify it any way you can, that’s between you and God. But you will never be able to say to God that you didn’t know. That’s all our jobs as Christians is, that’s to inform. If after you hear the news and you don’t accept it, fine move around have a nice day. It isn’t our jobs to judge because things can change. But do not tell me that I am being judgemental or hateful because I am speaking the truth. I never once said a negative thing about gays other than the bible (and the word is God check Genesis) clearly states that it is wrong. Don’t tell me that I am being a hypocrite because I don’t stand against other sin because I do. The reason we are talking about homosexuality is because the article is about homosexuality.

And stop comparing Gay rights to the Civil Rights Movement. Blacks were fighting for their basic human rights. Rights 2 vote, rights 2 drink out of a “White” fountain, rights to walk down the street and not have to cross when a white person passes. How dare you reduce that struggle by saying ignorant things like “Gay is the new black”.It’s so ridiculous.

but in my case this is my “partner” the rule is only family. my partner is my family and i should be able to see her in the hospital if she’s sick. i dont want or need your support for my lifestyle, im asking you to take a step back and look at what you’re saying. your religious beliefs are preventing me from having equal rights. no matter how you put it or your reasoning behind it its wrong. i would never for one second tell you that you’re narrowminded because you think homosexuality is wrong. believe what you like but if i believe that a woman having a baby outside of wedlock does not deserve child support make that right? no. because you believe my lifestyle is wrong i shouldn’t be able to add my partner to my healthcare benefits? is that right?

“I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ.” – Gandhi

People who think it is just Christians that disagree with homosexuality are just naive or purposely stupid. Out of all the religions in the world, the only ones which I am aware of (and I know about the teachings of quite a few) which openly and unconditionally accept homosexuality are Atheism (where there is no higher power), Agnosticism (uncertainty about the existence of a higher power), and Paganism (which is more or less folk religion and polytheistic). The common thread among these three religions is the almost complete lack of personal accountability. The majority of other world religions view homosexuality and the acts thereof as “immoral or unseemly or unnatural,” and there is always the inevitable consequences for your actions if only in the “afterlife.” Now, we can argue the validity of the various religions, but you cannot argue that ONLY Christians disagree with homosexuality. I also find it highly coincidental that many homosexuals choose to completely disregard religion as mere folklore and “wives tales,” or they choose to disregard the tenets of the religion which they are breaking, offering any list of excuses as to why this particular tenet is no longer viable (especially in the Christian religion).

Many people have different interpretations for the reasons for religions, but it is highly coincidental that across cultures; people have viewed this sort of lifestyle as inappropriate. Now we can argue about the Greeks and Romans infinitum, but the facts remain that very few cultures consider this behavior as acceptable. It is also more than disingenuous to pretend, that this sudden wave of homosexuality hasn’t been influenced by the acceptance of what was once considered taboo or “off-limits.”

@S
it’s not me that decided these things it’s the government and the people. Prop. 8, for example, was VOTED on.I don’t care what lifestyle you live, but i can’t be supportive of it. Therefore you can’t expect people who aren’t supportive of the Gay lifestyle to vote as though they are. Sorry thats the reality.

Oh, by the way I was stating my mere opinions and observations.

@ Louisville

THANK YOU FOR CLARIFYING THAT.Gays like to attack christians as though they are the sole reason they don’t have rights. Give me a break please!

Cutie:

I never said YOU were narrowminded. I said ppl that think they know what “normal” is. I said I respect your decision to think it’s wrong. And yes, no one can visit if not a relative but gays aren’t allowed to get married and if their parnter is sick, they can’t see them. OR if somebody feels like being an ass that day, they can simple discriminate b/c of their sexuality. Coretta Scott King (you know, MLK Jr.’s wife?)fights so hard for GLBT ppl to have rights b/c she said that black ppl should know firsthand what it’s like to be hated and discriminated against. And that’s the truth. I’m not saying it’s the same but its the basic principle: DO unto others as you would like others to do unto you.

how would you like it if I could VOTE on your lifestyle? decide if you can be with the one you love? the inability of people to step outside of their shoes and look at a situation from another person’s standpoint is sad sometimes. to all of you whatever your religion, if you feel like you deserve the basic rights we all should have as working citizens of this couintry then so do i. thats the bottom line.

I am a follower of Christ, not a Christian(as far as the organized religion part is concerned). I dont believe everything in the Bible. And I am not gay. I came across this as I began my research on issues like homosexuality, the origin of Christianity, who wrote the Bible, etc. And a lot of things didnt add up and the more I researched the more I saw the similarities btwn religion, including Christianity and ancient mythology. Everyone is entitled to believe what they wish and no one should force their views on others. Live and let live. It seems like gays attack Christians and Christians attack gays because Christians raise the most amount of noise about it. But this nation was founded by “Christians”.

@Jewel

I am not here to be purposely argumentative, however, the straw man argument which draws this pseudo-correlation between black civil rights and gay marriage (which is the “right” people most associate with the GLBT movement), just doesn’t hold water. Black people, gay, straight, otherwise had NO RIGHTS! A person could be publicly lynched for no more than the melanin in their skin and nothing was done! Gay people, unless they are overly flamboyant and/or reveal their sexual orientation to people are far less susceptible to mistreatment. And ultimately the “right” being denied is marriage. Gay people are not viewed as less than human, like black people once were. I know gay people do have problems with discrimination, mistreatment, etc., and if you are black and gay I can only pray for you, but by and large there is no comparison between the treatment of black people based on race and the treatment of gay, lesbian, etc. based on sexual preference. I don’t think I am the only person that finds this comparison disturbing: NO rights vs. gay marriage

I don’t have a problems with the gays, what I do consider to be ignorant is that of the one in the above picture. I think that folks like him are a disgrace to the gay community. I happen to know several gay individuals whom i might say are very well driven in life which i respect totally. But there are others that are just as i stated before a DISGRACE!!! I am really starting to believe that gay is not a choice, some folks really have no control over it-(I’m not talking about those curious folks that just does it just because they want to try something new- i mean the gay men that only are attracted to men and men only and vice-versa!)

I am a straight woman who believes in Christ and attends church EVERY Sunday. I worship with everyone; there are gay people, single and couples, who are my Christian brothers and sister and we love each other. We are there because of the things we have in common; not because of our differences. They are some of the most decent people I know, far more so than some people who claim to be Christian on this board and tear other people down. Someone compared your child cutting off someone else’s hair to correcting a sin; that’s just ridiculous. God don’t make mistakes, and he makes gay people and straight. As far as what’s written in the Bible, well, that’s all open to interpretation unless you are a literalist. I’m not, especially knowing the history of the bible and that it was written not only by men, but my men of the Roman Catholic church and that they had an agenda. So, if you want to live your life by being narrow minded, yes, I said it, and using it to justify your negative judgement of your fellow man, then just go ahead, it’s a free country. I’m not your judge, only God is. I wish you all well.

@ Soldier

Those are some of the animal behaviors I was thinking of when I pointed that out. Since some species kill their mates, rather than divorce, should humans begin doing that as well?

I am not a religious zealot, but I will not back down from what is right.

I’m not the opposition the gays like because my explanation for why this ish shouldn’t be legal isn’t coming from the bible alone. I will throw science in there is as well.

Religious: Homosexuality is an abomination.

Scientific: If homosexuality is not a defective trait or an abnormality, but an alternate normal status, evolution, and the adaptability it provides, would have, by now, at least begun to show signs of being integrated into the human race. Look at the evolution of humans and how we have changed, even in the most trivial of ways, physically. Why hasn’t homosexuality, if it is normal like the gays claim, begun to influence the continuing natural physical evolution of man? I’ve seen the research results. All that has been proven is there are parallels found in gay people. There is a common cause of Down’s syndrome. Do we want that to become en vogue as well?

While gas may feel they deserve “civil rights”, it really isn’t a question of rights at all. Serial killers would like the right to satisfy their urges without repercussions either.

Society should not bow down to the desires of a group, when their desires, hidden behind the rights banner, are requested. Do what Cali did. Vote it down and push back.

Just like there are gays “disgraces” out there like the one above (which i totally agree on) there are str8 disgraces as well. maybe not doin the same thing but things just as distasteful

Did someone who posts a picture of their a$$ as an avatar really just criticize someone else’s picture as disgraceful?

LouisvilleSlugger:

Marriage gives them these rights, also it is not illegal to be fired for your sexual orientation, or be denied housing. There are a lot of things ppl dont know about. If you aren’t them, then you dont face it. I understand you aren’t trying to be argumentative. I think ppl get it twisted when they think that gays are trying to say they’ve been through everything us black ppl have been through. It is just that African Americans should know what it feels like to be an outcast in our American society. And if you know what it’s like to not have rights(it doesnt matter what rights), but to not have control over something in your life, why would you turn around and deny someone even 1 right b/c you know what that feels like.America is a place where everyone is supposed to be free to be who they want(while upholding the law, and being gay is not criminal). That is the reality of America.And that’s why the Supreme Court will eventually one day allow gay marriage…trust me. I dont mean for that to be a negative or taunting statement.

who cares whether your beliefs are scientific or religious? who cares whether you believe its unnatural or not? i think its unnatural for a grown a** man to want to touch a little girls vagina but i guess since thats not considered to be a law against nature then it is natural and okay to do. the point is believe what you want and throw whatever reasons you want to throw behind your beliefs to support them. all the same you’re still taking away my rights because of your beliefs. its wrong. no one walking on this earth can judge me. you’re flesh and blood, the same as i which in my eyes makes you equal but not greater. i have no problems with your beliefs as long as you dont use them to bring harm in my direction. when you start using them to limit my access to certain things, i think that wrong.

OK,…I KNOW THIS IS A SERIOUS ISSUE BUT HAVE YALL NOTICED OLE BOY ON THE RIGHT SIDE OF THIS PICTURE???….I…AM…..SO…THROUGH…BWAAHHHHAHHHHHA LOL

Hey for those he said it does not say in the bible about homo stuff being gay read chp 1 and 2 of Romans it says it all in there!!! Its wrong baby but you can get healed from it! I know!!! SIN IS SIN-SEX IS SIN IF ITS NOT WITH OPPOSITE SEX AND DONE IN MARRIAGE. AINT JUDGING JUST STATING TRUTH!!! IT WRONG POINT BLANK PREACH PREACHER!! AMEM AMEN AMEN!

@ Truth

We’ve said this many times, but the gays aren’t willing to acknowledge these texts that are against homosexual acts. Instead they read only the good about love and how we’re supposed to accept them for who they are and then they say we’re judging them when we quote from the bible. IT’S NOT US JUDGING YOU THESE ARE THE WORDS OF GOD SO STAND UP AND TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOUR SIN JUST AS MURDERERS AND LIARS DO AND STOP CRYING OH THEY’RE JUDGING US. NO ONLY GOD CAN DO THAT

Also people are quick to call believers hypocrites for so called judging. Would I not be a hypocrite if I voted for a rule to allow gay people to marry when I clearly believe it’s morally wrong. YES!!! AnD i don’t care how much u sit up here and say oh “I’m taking away your rights”(LOL) thats a croc. I’m not going to condone same sex marriage and thats that. I won’t promote sin against GOD just so I don’t hurt the GAY communites feelings.

@Jewel

Thank you for your thoughtful (respectful) response. I am afraid we are going to have to agree to disagree. I, like many people, draw the line at the gay marriage initiatives. Although I cannot judge a single person, neither can I in good conscience support this lifestyle and the precedent gay marriage states. (I don’t want to get into the CDC numbers, as some may find it offensive.) I don’t think all of these cultures viewed this type of lifestyle negatively solely for the purpose of condemnation. However, I do believe the other grievances they may have should be looked into and be given very thoughtful consideration.

The silly thing about the entire “gay marriage” debate is: There is no right to any marriage (gay, straight or otherwise). There is no there–there as it relates to the U.S. Constitution. Unfortunately, a lot of bandwagon gay people jumped on this after Prop 8 and don’t have a clue what they are talking about. Gay marriage has been voted down in some 30 states in the union and there was no such uproar. What makes CA different is when judges decided that gay marriage was legal, and Prop 8 repealed it. Now it can and will be argued; was the entire Prop 8 initiative legal, after the “rights” were instated? It may pass in the state of CA, but I have little doubt that the appeal will go to SCOTUS where sexual orientation is not given protected class status. Now the gay community can argue, (and possibly should argue for) equal protection. But here in lies a series of other pitfalls that I’m too lazy to enumerate. People are free to practice whatever they so choose, however when you want the government and subsequently its people to accept something like a fundamental shift in the definition and dynamics of marriage, I do think this should be up for vote. This maybe a completely backwards and possibly bigoted way of thinking, but I don’t think I am alone. I think instead of the “tyranny of the majority” which Thomas Jefferson spoke about, we are witnessing the “tyranny of the minority.”

@S
I would politely ask what rights have YOU been denied? It is easy to jump on the proverbial bandwagon and say your rights have been denied, but it is a little more difficult to list said rights. Even more, do you actually know what rights you have and do not have?

Cutie:

You aren’t going to promote sin against God? Do you?….curse, smoke ANYTHING, have pre-marital sex, gossip, disobey your parents, talk in church, have lustful thoughts, have kids out of wedlock, worry, fear anything, not give to the poor, worship fashion, love money, get proud of yourself, brag or boast, get lazy, wear revealing clothes, spread hate, fight etc. I’m sure you do if not all at least one of those. Do you believe that Jesus would withold rights from someone? “Let he without sin cast the first stone”.

@Cutie you are right. They do ignore those texts blatantly, completely refuse to acknowledge them. All you can do is pray for them because they will not accept the truth. Ignorance is bliss. They pick and choose what parts of the bible they want to follow, what sounds good. They don’t want to follow the hard part, the rules of God. People want to say “well the bible was written by men, the Romans” well if you feel that way why follow something you feel was inspired by God? Why pick parts to follow instead of the whole thing? Why pick what sounds good and feels good? Everything that feels good is not good. If you are going to go to church every day and claim it, do it all the way. How stupid is that, “well I’m going to live by some of this stuff in here, but the rest of the things about SOME of the sins is just too much, too hateful so I won’t believe that.” Get out of here. John 1:1-2 clearly states “In the beginning, the Word existed. The Word was with God, and the Word was God. He existed in the beginning with God.” So if you are attacking me and calling me hateful and despicable for what my beliefs are, then so be it. I am going to follow this word, LOVE and ALL. Who is being hateful, me or you. God does not make mistakes and I do not believe that he makes people Gay. They chose or learn it. It is a spirit, not a gene. A spirit that one has to be delivered. Why would he make something that a) goes against the way he wants us to procreate, and b) that is blatantly against him? Go ahead and call me or whoever else won’t back down from the truth what you like. Remember they criticized Jesus Christ for his teachings and beliefs too. If you follow Christ you know that Christ teachings are not always going to be popular amongst the world. They killed him for it. So if he can take it, so can I. I am not being judgemental and hateful. This is my last post. So God bless you all, I pray that he remove the wool from your eyes and the hardness from your hearts so that you can accept and receive his truth.

Also remember we are all born into sin, we will sin it is our nature. However if we confess with our mouths and believe in our hearts we can be saved. That means acknowledge that what we are doing is sin. Homosexuality is a sin. If you can’t acknowledge that then what does that say? No one is perfect, and I am far from it. But like Christ wants me to I confess my sins, ALL of them no matter how hard it is, and I try to live differently. That’s all we can do.

Let me ask ya’ll this. Say a man, an older man rapes a six year old child. Very detestable. He is on trial to be sentenced and he gets death (unrealistic sentence but just saying). Are you all going to be so quick to holler “oh don’t judge him, God loves everybody, what about his rights!” I mean according to God, no sin is higher than the other right? Will you make the same fuss about accepting this man’s sin like you do homosexuality? Or will you be right on the judgmental bandwagon saying how this man doesn’t deserve forgiveness and rot in hell. What about a harlot. A woman who has slept with every man’s husband. Will you make the same fuss saying “she can do what she wants, it’s alright with God because he loves everyone.” Or will you judge her and call names?

LouisvilleSlugger:

Agreed!
I dont have to agree with homosexuality to know that ppl shouldn’t be allowed to have the same rights as everyone else. I think the perfect solution would be to work out something where gay ppl are protected(because they deserve protection just like anyone else) and they have LEGAL rights within an officially committed relationship. But i dont understand how all these other nations allow gay marriage and they haven’t fallen apart. Marriage doesn’t even belong to the church. Marriage didn’t begin in the church. That’s just what we’ve learned and have grown to know. But how does someone else having the right to get married affect someone else’s marriage or view of marriage. Marriage is a lifetime commitment and gays should be able to make that to eachother if they want. The best argument I’ve heard came from “S” when she said “if a woman has a child out of wedlock, would you deny her child support?”

But Louisville I respect you and your views. Nice being able to disagree with someone cordially and be respectful about it.

GENERAL MESSAGE:

I can easily be “inspired by God” to write a book and do it and say it’s the word of God. Elijah Muhammad did it. God is inside all of us. And if you dont follow every word in the bible to the tee, you are in no position to talk about anyone else, no matter what their sin is. You have to get the plank out of your own eye first. And everyone continuously has plank in their eye, EVERY SINGLE DAY. ALL OF US, if not, the bible wouldn’t tell you to pray without ceasing. So I dont feel I can tell anyone about their sin, when I do my own sinning. Telling a “white lie” is just as bad as being gay.

And might I add that Atheist get married all the time and they don’t even believe in God. I dont see any money being raised to stop them. So marriage can’t just be a religious practice.

@ St8 Truth,
Oh I see, so it’s defective genes and abnormailites that cause homosexuality. You and Tiana would have done very well in Nazi Germany. And while you’re researching the evolution of humans you should see that homosexuality has been around as long as recorded history.

You say in your ‘argument’: Look at the evolution of humans and how we have changed, even in the most trivial of ways, physically. Why hasn’t homosexuality, if it is normal like the gays claim, begun to influence the continuing natural physical evolution of man?” What are you expecting? A third eye?

And just so that you know, studies of brains on gay people have shown what scientist call ‘protein clusters’. This bolstered the argument that many people are born with a predisposition toward homosexuality.

Maybe I shouldn’t mention brains. You are obviously still in the dark ages.

Of all the pictures you have of gay people, you post this one? I’m appalled BOSSIP.

@ Cutie

Let me explain something to you, the right to marry someone of the same sex SHOULD NOT be up for vote. PERIOD. You should not be forcing those that do not believe in what you do to live the way you see fit. If you’re all about religious morals, when are you going to start pulpitin’ about divorce being a sin???

And you know what you voting for gay marriage would signify??? It would tell be people you’re not an intolerant bigot. It would tell people that even though you hold your religious beliefs, you still believe that everyone should be able to be treated equally.

Now i’d like to add that if you come back with some slippery slope nonsense it really shows that you just don’t get it. Cause it really is simple to understand.

@Donny Boi

Defects have been around since the beginning of man, probably.

Don’t try to be cute. Gays are stooping to any level to try to make their fight seem reasonable. It isn’t.

A third eye would not help. I think it is a hole most gay guys would benefit from.

You can’t comprehend can you? I bet if this was a post saying give gays marriage, you would understand perfectly. I plainly pointed out science had pinpointed shared properties, you know parallels, in homosexuals physiology. Other defects, such as those I mentioned, have been linked to shared gene mutations and other physiological influences. Just because the root cause may be found does not make it acceptable or mean society should change to accept the behavior as a result of the difference.

Gay marriage as a concept is ridiculous. It is a domestic partnership and should be seen as such. It should be treated as nothing more than a contract between two individuals. It isn’t a marriage. Go to Canada if you want that. C ya!

@Progressive Black Movement for the better future

WoW! I am not feeling all this stuff in the news for the last 3 months, about gays. If you want to be gay, be gay. STOP PUSHING ALTERNATIVE LIFESTYLES TO EVERYONE ELSE. Live your life.
^ thats exactly what gays are trying to do, although heteros feel the need to get in their business and tell them how to live their lives. white people are simply following the bible (which says that slavery is acceptable) when they discriminate against blacks, so is it wrong for blacks to protest for their rights?
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It’s not wrong for gays or anyone who has an issue to protest anything. When it turns hostile and violent, it is no longer a human rights issue.. Same thing that I say when any person is trying to prove a point…For example: Execution by the state or federal government….I don’t agree with killing, but I think it is wrong for someone to state that murdering a person is wrong, then they go and sanction it under ‘ the law’ and that makes it ok…The act is wrong any way, you look at it…Same thing with gays, I have no problems with their wanting to express themselves, the minute it gets violent…(as the incident in California stated, people didn’t accept their beliefs, so they chose to get violent, instead, as if that would MAKE people accept it….Again, as long as what they are expressing doesn’t interfere with MY household, I don’t have a problem, when it does affect the safety of my children or my family. I have a problem with it….I didn’t have the parade, participate, or so clearly, I am NOT the one who caused all this chaos, over being gay….
“And no, I don’t want my kids to play with your yours, I don;t want to have you over and no to dinner, play dates, schools and television…When hey get old enough there will be more than enough time for them to deal with wordly issues,”
“^that would qualify as hatred in disquise, and judgement. you are treating gays like they are some force of evil and alienating them as if they will do harm to someone, when they are regular people just like you.”
If that’s hatred in your book, that’s your issue. My kids are children and NO I will not tolerate or encourage my TODDLERS, to an alternatie lifestyle…I have my own values, and this is exactly what I was referring to, when I said “gays are pushing their lifestyle on the rest of us…I am not sorry about that.. They will have plenty of time to find out about homosexuals, that’s not considered a value in my household. I’m not judging anyone, I would like for my children to have a childhood before they get corrupted with things that don’t have a place in their life. They are children and yes, I will protect them from things that don’t serve ANY purpose in their lives…Don’t tell me how to raise my kids, if you want YOUR children to be exposed at such a young age to that, then have kids and EXPOSE them to you homosexuality..AGAIN, STAY OUT OF MY HOUSE, WITH THAT MESS, IF THAT’S WHAT YOU BELIEVE, GREAT!! BUT DON’T BRING THAT MESS TO ME AND MY FAMILY.. I’m not a white person, but I don’t have them over either, so that must mean that I hate whites and I am teaching my children to not associate or deal with whites, you have no clue…You don’t need to justify or try to get me to accept your beliefs…I don’t believe in that, that’s my opinion and I am entitled to it, just like your entitled to have YOUR children, to the gay lifestyle, if that’s what YOU choose to do… And I don’t believe in the white man’s Bible,that they tried to indoctrinate the blacks with, I wasn’t there, and I KNOW THEY ALL LIE! People from all walks of life, bend the ‘truth’, in order to justify or support their many injustices and backwards ways of thinking..

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HOWEVER, I’m getting tired of all thee gay guys EVERYWHERE, wanting to get married, wanting to adopt, wanting to bring all their stuff out of the closet and be equal, like everyone else….
^i think whites can argue that same point about blacks, however again you are passing judgement and the great book says it is not your place.
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In the United States, slavery was outlawed a while ago, but it some parts it still exists…Same thing with this ‘gay’ stuff…People acknowledge it but don’t want to deal with it everyday , all day..Blacks are still fighting for roghts, and it is till ongoing, s for gays to think that their struggles will all be over, is stupid…It takes time and patience. That Prop 8 stuff and all the other ‘celebs’ who come out in support of this, turns my stomach…
^already addressed this. it’s not about what you feel is right by religion it’s about the same equality gay or not black or white, we are all people. what turns my stomach is that fact that blacks actually feel its common place for them to judge, when half of them can’t even get their lives together and finish high school, grade school for most. living off child support and part time jobs. i think the heteros might be the ones with the issues. if america took a vote one whether they felt black should have rights in america today, theres a 98.9% chance we’d be back in slavery tomorrow, ponder that for a minute.
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The group of blacks that you described, doesn’t apply to my situation…Blacks that are illiterate, haven’t finished school- High School or University, I don’t have a part-time job or a job at all for that matter. I work for myself. Self- employed. …So again, your argument makes no sense to me…Additionally, I’m not one to stay where I am not wanted, when I retire, you better believe that I will be leaving, I don’t intend on staying in the States…And actually, I agree with Marcus Garvey and Fredrick Douglas. I wouldn’t mind leaving this hell hole, with people afraid of their own skin…It wouldn’t bother me in the least….And I don’t worry about what other people are doing or not doing. I only worry about myself. I don’t worry or try to keep up with others, I am only in competition with myself…
These 2 issues are NOT the same..And all of this could be easy, if gays would get their own gay church, so then they could all be gay together….
^ these to issues are very much the same. a right is a right as a sin is a sin. point is blacks and gays are fight the same battle, blacks are to ignorant and hypocritical, one days sin, next day righteous, you do the comparison. cuz if you took a few minutes to compare the too and knew your history and “bible” then you would very much see the connection.
These issues are NOT the same. Blacks just wanted to be able to be, without being enslaved…Sexuality is a choice, I don’t care what’s going on in your bedroom. I didn’t invite you into mine….Who cares what you do? Keep that in your house, why do you need to bring it out in the street / media? You don’t have achoice, as to what color you are born, Sexuality, you do have a choice…I don’t consider myself ignorant or hypocritical….I live my life as I see fit…I will answer for all my sins, when it’s time for me to meet my maker…You telling me that I am judging, is making a judgment yourself….I haven’t judged anyone, if I did, I would be quoting scripture, like the rest of these folks….You don’t need to convince me, you need to convince yourself…….
“point is don’t retract, stick to your guns. you don’t like gay people. don’t try and cover it up like people do when they are accused of being racist, and retract with that “i got a gay hair dresser”. lol you are then you are contradicting yourself. you don’t have to agree with my logic, you wouldn’t, i have an open mind, and i believe in peoples freedom to be happy without ridicule from those who are enslaved in their closed minds. gays aint hurting noone, but hetero men are raping innocent women and children everyday, think about that one.”
I never said that I don’t like gay people. If you are in society at all, I am sure that you will run across one. I don’t disrespect them. I treat them the same way I would any other person. So what I don’t care for the lifestyle, I don’t go out of my way to avoid them. I just choose NOT to bring it into my home…When I stated that I had one for a hair dresser, it was just to show that I don’t not patronage them, or treat them any differently than I would, ANY PERSON…My point being, especially with my kids so young, they don’t need to be exposed to that , they just need to have a childhood and deal with that when they are older and able to understand, the differences…. Your mind is not that open, or you wouldn’t try to tell me how and what is acceptable in my household…Gays are usually flamboyant and have lifestyle choices that I do not accept. ( The ones I knew)
That doesn’t mean that I ‘hate’ anyone…I am not ridiculing anyone and you might want to think about the way they appear on these threads, all dressed up crazy…they seem not to care what anyone thinks, so I don’t understand why you get so heated or bringing, this bs to me…That’s your choice and decision, just respect mine enough, to let me have one, without your trying to ‘tell’ me, how I should be more open….That is not my lifestyle, therefore I don’t live that way…Handle your own household and STAY OUT OF MINE!!! I AM HAPPILY MARRIED WITH 2 YOUNG BLACK BOYS THAT I AM RAISING, TO BECOME MEN…If in your family, you want to raise homosexuals, that’s your business, I;m not doing that in mine, no matter what any of you say…..…This confused way of thinking, is why so many are confused on the first place….Have a nice day, and if you choose to respond, great, but I will not be wasting ANY MORE TIME, on this……Thanks, but no thanks!!Have a GREAT day!:)

@MissBlaze43

@ DIAMONDCHEERS

So, you mean to tell me that when I was 7 YEARS OLD and I was checking out the Go-Go Dancer who lived in the next building THAT I KNEW EXACTLY that I was gay?

Wow, you’re good – because while I ALWAYS KNEW that I was different I had ne’er a clue what being gay / lesbian even was.

But you seem to know FOR SURE that I wasn’t born that way.

Well, thank you for clearing THAT up.
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no but if u were 17 i would feel u knew exactly what u were doing… 7yrs old come on b 4 real…

DiamondCheers:

A 7eyear old boy has crushing on girls. I remember my friends son had one on me. He also liked other girls. At 7 he knew that he liked girls.

So yes it is possible for a 7 year old to know what they are drawn to. You think no one discovers their sexuality or what they are attracted to until their 17?? GTFOH

@ Cutie

You have the nerve to laugh at me about what I believe but you probably believe noah took 2 of each animal and put them on an ark.

Laugh it up, Dear. Rather be associated with the big bang theory, then fables of adam and eve.

Wasn’t (isn’t) he gay? LOL. Whatever.

Worst historical figures for Blacks:
J. Edgar Hoover and Sir Cecil Rhodes (Rhodesia)
Again, I think gays should be able to get married, but they are not discriminated against — they can get married just like straight people — to the opposite sex. Injustice is when a group of people are denied basic common rights and services as others. Before civil rights legislation, Blacks were denied insurance, education, employment; we were unable to drive without being harrassed (still happens), murdered with impunity and fairly regularly solely for skin color, etc.
This is not happening to gays today

Yes. Only judgemental bigots allowed in church. Only self-righteous hypocritical windbags allowed in church. Only preening, ignorant trogolodytes allowed in church. Keep picking and choosing so-called “sins” to justify your fear and hate. I’m taking names.
Can’t wait ’til judgement day. Gay Angels shall sing the pure hearts to heaven.

How about we talk about the gays rioting at the churches? No one is even thinking about that. Is that some evil shit or what?

It’s not my place to pass judgement. Just my thought.

I really think its dumb for us as black people to keep calling Christianity “the white man’s religion”. The slave masters were able to use the Bible against slaves because they couldn’t read it for themselves. They used to beat and/or kill us for learning to read…remember? They were even able to paint a picture of Jesus in our minds as a white man but His genealogy was a mixture of many races. People used to make fun of the all the “so-n-so begat so-n-so’s” in Matthew but all of those names were of people from all different colors. We are one race…the human race, so lets leave that out of the discussion. God made all of us. The first people were in Africa and moved to different parts of the world where dark skin and kinky hair were not necessary to survive. Their features began to change to adapt to their environment. Think about people. The slave masters were wrong for what they did. The plan was to have us believing that Jesus was white so therefore, He felt the same way as they did about us. It seems like the plan is still working on us over 140 yrs later; to drive us further and further away from the truth which lies ONLY in Jesus Christ. Seek Him and everything else will fall into place.

some gay people know it’s a sin to be gay, that’s why they stay in the closet, God created Adam and Eve period, I have gay friends and they were scared to say they were gay at first cause they know it is a sin but i am not the one who will judge them come judgement day

MissNee,

Speaking of fairy tales…So you believe in a theory about some unknown primordial heat and energy in an empty void, which by the way just spontaneously and miraculously conglomerated to form the universe completely from nothing and without rhyme or reason? Pure coincidence, huh? Question: So where exactly did the primordial heat within the empty void come from again?

Have you ever wondered why earth is so perfectly placed in our solar system to support advanced life, whereas the other planets cannot? Not too close to the sun and not too far. But of course, I’m sure this is another one of those mere coincidences as well,huh? IMHO, it takes less faith to believe in Adam and Eve than it does to believe in a random, and completely spontaneous big bang.

That fool looks like a gay 50cent. I had to do a double take for a minute on baby monkey curtis.

my kids told me something the other day that shocked me. my daughter who is in jr. high, son & his girlfriend are high school all told me that in school now all the kids act gay. they told me it’s this “thing” that they all do. they say of course they all know they’re not. but they said if you don’t act gay you are considered weird! it’s suppose to be some little “cute” thing they do in school now. ask your kids about it. you may be as shocked as i was.

I would like to thank the gay movement for giving our views great publicity. Do not let the religious oppress you! Fight to have all sins legalized.

Push the old out and let in the new. As soon as you manage to vote God out, we will be ready to accept out positions.

To all those who support us, you will be rewarded with free room and board for eternity.

Again, thank you for doing more than we ever imagined to promote our way of life.

Sincerely,

Lilith

WOW! If you put people out the church for their sins or indiscretions the church would be empty, then who would be left to serve and praise GOD!

Bossip, you are ignorant and hateful/bigoted for putting that stupid picture to represent gay people.

Your web site has had similar gay hating items and HOW DARE YOU TRY TO CLAIM BARACK OBAMA AND HIS MESSAGE OF PROGRESS and then be so IGNORNANT when you are putting this COONERY up on your site?

Might as well put an item up about black people as a whole and put a picture from hotghettomess.com up to represent all of black people.

Also, you are SELF-HATING WOMEN because all of your items about men & women has something about a man “CHOPPING DOWN” a woman. Why can’t a woman be the one actively pursuing a man instead of being the victim of being CHOPPED DOWN.

YOU are too ignorant. PLEASE stop claiming Barack Obama. He would be embarrassed and ashamed by your slave mentality web site.

Alex

Dee1266 – Well said.

Maybe Rev. Davis needs to revisit the bible. If he’s supposed to be living the word of God and thinks that being gay is a sin, then turning them away from the church is the wrong tactic.

“He which converteth the sinner from the error of his way shall save a soul from death, and shall hide a multitude of sins.”–Jas. 5:20.

You can’t convert a sinner if you’re banning him/her from your church.

Seems to me he should embracing all people and not making up his own interpretation of God’s word.

Plus, he’s gay as a jaybird himself, so who is he to talk!

I feel that the church should be sacred. I feel everyone should be welcomed. If you are going to church to hook up then you should not be there. You should listen to the word and learn from it. We all are not perfect. We all need to work on something. I can understand what he is trying to say…he is saying to keep that behavior out of the church not that being that way.

@ Eb, Q, Lillith, and others like Davis..Here is the bottom line: I’m gay and I’m a believer. And guess what? I’m going to heaven!!! No demon in hell (or sittin in the church pews) is gonna tell me any different. WHY? Because you’re not me. You dont know my story nor lived my life. You dont know my prayers, and you certainly werent there when my God talked to me and answered them! I follow the golden rule…do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Its called the golden rule for a reason. The bible was written by men, certain books have been excluded. There have been passages tampered with, rewritten and totally changed to fit certain beliefs. But my point is NOT to change your opinions. And you certainly won’t change mine. but be blessed and stay perfect! To that end, we will wait and see what God really has to say…. hope you join me at the pearly gates. The devil has used the church looong enuff.