This is a damn shame but that house it ridiculous. Okay why is are there lights above the pool. Pretty to look at but that shyt could possibly fall on your head. Uh NO! No wonder ppl are staying away from the church ish like this. So I guess doing “God’s Work” is making sure your crib is laced SMH.

well?

It’s not their fault that his congregation is a flunking for him. They give he takes! You should give back to the community.

People love their pastors and they don’t care how good he is living as long as he’s preaching the word. I know times have changed, but was Jesus living like this? And in order to get the message or the word, do you have to give money? Were Jesus followers dressed up? If these pastors are for the common man, why do they have parking spaces designated to them only, and have others that say First Lady of the Church? Just questions…

plus the brotha’s name was creflo dollar how is that not suspect?

The congregation is supposed to take care of their pastor, but I think sometimes they go overboard. I wonder how of their members even have a home or car….? I agree with Alana…did Jesus live like this?

this doesn’t surprise me one bit! this is why people are turned off from christianity calling them hypocrites. they make it hard for the true christians.

No surprise. Half of ‘em are crooks and pimps.

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Personally i think if there is a God then does he want us to spend hundreds of thousands building churchs and painting them gold when we could be building Hospitals, Hospices and feeding the poor in third world Countries! I THINK NOT!

UMF UMF UMF… that ain’t right

Now I see why tithe is the one and only part of the Bible that is preached EVERYDAY in Christian churches, WOW!

Well it’s about time. It doesn’t take a brain surgeon to figure out that something just ain’t right.

You have all these rappers with millions of dollars, nice homes, nice cars and are constantly getting in trouble with the law. Of all people, rappers are the ones that shouldn’t have what they have, they don’t know how to act! Meanwhile, teachers are getting paid what they get paid. SMH

So, I’m not going to rush to judgment on Creflo and Bishop Long. They deserve their money more than these ghetto as rappers.

You think?? these big “mega” churches are the biggest money making, hustling rackets out there….Creflo’s church got a ATM in it….ridiculous

Creflo Dollar is the same minister that tried to help Evander Holyfield hide $10,000,000 during his divorce. The need to look at TD Jakes as well he and other ministers give each other Bentley’s as gifts that sounds kind of like money laundering

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SMDH. This ish don’t make no kind of sense. I guess you have to support your pastor but my damn. These dudes is pimpin Jesus and their congregations.

@ Alana

It says in the Word, Jesus was poor so we could be rich. But yes, this is VERY extreme. Just like Lorna (London Girl) said He should have other priorities for his money.

@NuAgenda

The problem is that rappers say from the start they are in it for the money and the bling. Not one of the ministers said “I’m going to preach so that I can get Maybach the $200,000 watch or the private jet. Preachers are to do it for the spiritual fulfillment first and not the bling. Instead living like they are in the Robb Report couldn’t that Bentley money go to help some member that is in need.

http://www.pulpit-pimps.org

Pulpit pimps …and they wonder why i don’t go to church!

Church is just a business these days, they dont give a damn about your soul.

Don’t worry about those crooks, they have their heaven on earth. One day they will answer for all of their lies and misdeeds. Notice when they preach, they preach about money and material things. Don’t support them and don’t respect them because they are charlatans.

I’m sure the only reason why Creflo has that BIG ass house, is so he can have over all the congregation for bible study and the like. I’m sure he only has a fleet of cars so he can provide them, as needed, to memebers of his flock if their car breaks down or some other type emergency. I’m sure he got an extra big bed to let tired souls get a lil shut eye, cause I’m sure Creflo provides whatever he can to tend to his. I’M SURE. LOL LOL.

Just a bunch of crooks. Nothing new.

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From hip hop cops to the church SWAT…

Let the church say “amen”.

All I can say to this is, it’s for God to judge and not me.

If you really want a breakdown as to how these guys live, google the phrase “pulpit pimps”. These mega church preachers are living higher of the hog than Oprah.

@ Nitewing

plus the brotha’s name was creflo dollar how is that not suspect?

You beat me to the punch. I was gonna say his name ain’t Creflo Dollar for nuthin’…. LOL Naw, but on the serious tip, this has been a long time coming. WTF does a pastor need with a Bentley or Rolls Royce?? SMDH

LIKE LYFE SAYS, “MUST BE NICE”….I THINK IT’S ALL SCREWED UP. MOSTLY CROOKS & MOLESTERS & CHEATERS. ONE OF THE MAIN REASONS WHY I DON’T ATTEND CHURCH. I CAN HOLD CHURCH AT MY HOUSE. PLUS SOME OF THOSE RICHES CAN GO TOWARDS SCHOLARSHIPS FOR DESERVING TEENS WANTING TO GO TO COLLEGE, AMONGST OTHER THINGS. THAT’S JUST A SIGN OF GREED WHICH IS A SIN…..YA’LL PASTORS SHOULD THINK ABOUT IT !

Capitalism.

DAYUM ALL DEM COMERCIALS PAID OFF

PREACHERS= LITE WEIGHT PIMPS

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I am in the wrong business, apparently God IS good…

Well, I was always a lil leary of a pastor named “Creflo DOLLAR”- that says it all. I was amazed at how large his congregation has grown over the years and the Bishop has always been flagrant and questionable with finances. I can say this, a few years ago I gave in to the hype while visiting my parents in Atl. and they worship Dollar-Bill, he is a good teacher and knows the word. I live in NYC and I occassionally attend his service at MSG {how befitting, like a rock star}, but I have learned to separate his human nature from that of the word. I dont worship him, but I can still take in the lessons & the spirit of the word, despite what he is about {a hypocrite or true leader}. Christians have to learn that it is not the Pastor of the church that you put your faith in to b/c he/she is human and prone to sin, you put your faith in to the spirit of God and the word of Jesus and no matter what they do, you will be salvaged. People give up on thier faith when the leaders of their congregations are found out to be human, but that means you have been misdirecting your faith.

You should go to church to praise God, not these preachers as some of the congregation does. I will continue to go to church and pay the 10% in tithes that the Bible speaks on and not support pastors such as these with lavish lifestyles. No matter how much money a person gives to a preacher you can’t show up at the gates of heaven and expect to get in because you made sure Creflo had an indoor pool.

IS THAT FRANK SKI in the passenger seat with Bishop Eddie Long?!?!?! Yall should’ve got a shot of him riding around in his BENTLEY!!!! ………. http://www.stylerazzi.blogspot.com

WOW…now I think we all know, something is wrong here! This anit all just coming from him PASTORING! I hope he got a good lawyer!

C’mon his name is Creflo Dollar yall know thats 50 cent$ brother. No surprise hear! I can’t knock the hustle, but nuff poor people are struggling,homeless, and starving at the same time.

Squad up!

LMAO!! Ya’ll are right, it’s about time someone checked up on these pastors. I don’t understand how you can preach that it is ok to be rich and still go to heaven. If i semi-remember right it said in the bible “what profits a man to gain the world and lose his soul”. The rich don’t go to heaven. An ATM in the lobby?? That should set off warning bells in your head!! Here’s a hint, if ya’ll didn’t have all that electrical/fancy stuff you wouldn’t be up in the pulpit every sunday beggin for collection to pay for this or that. I hate it when the pastor spends 20 minutes telling people to make sure to fill-out their tithes envelopes. I give what I can give and that is it, which is ususally 0.25 to 1.00. I think God said you could come to him as you are, you don’t have to be in some big church with all the fancy television screens, etc. The only time I actually go in a church is for communion and certain holidays, the rest of the time i’m holding church on my knees next to my bed.

Jim and Tammy Faye paved the way.

U SHOULD know people will wonder about your finances when Ur manse is in a mag.

He Crept Your Dollar!

This is a shame before the lord, and they will reap what they have sown, but I would like to say this, and no offense is meant, so I hope none will be taken…..To those who say stuff like this is why they don’t go to church, though some ministers are hypocrites and thieves, that does not give us a right to stay away from church and God. They will be judged according to their works, as well as we ALL will, and what they chose to do will not be a sufficient excuse as to why you didn’t go to church, and yes you do have to go to church, the Bible commands us ( we need to fellowship with one another) to go to church. Don’t let NO ONE lead you astray. Every church is not like this, nor is every minister. Pray for God to direct you to a true shepherd for HIM and a true church…HE Will. God Bless!

Now this is one good thing a Republican is doing.

shot for a house like that i could have a conversion

A damn shame

damn..i need Kendu to get on that televangelism ish NOW! i want that crib.

Good. God don’t like ugly.

Nu agenda

said we should be mad at rappers…

yep blame it on hiphop… this is one of the many reason i cant go to church…

imagine trying to call some one your sister who thinks like that…

Hypocrites…

It’s good that the gov is checking up on them b/c after the investigation, people can shut the hell up about them “taking” money. I use to attend these churches all my life. I believe I grew apart from their standards but from what Creflo tells his people, he no longer is paid from the church. The mone goes to funding tv for Africa, the US and other places. I have seen many groups, clubs, foundations that don’t come cheap. If you are hungry, they feed you. If you need your rent paid, they pay it. He gets his money from selling books. Check it out, he is a best seller in many countries. Do you know how much money that is? When you make money from your tapes, books, guest apperances then their is no need to take money from the church. When I attended the church, their were many people who would protest. Its been like that for years! This is no different. These churches are use to this. Why do you think these pastors are so calm in these interviews. And not just your usual, “Oh everything’s good.” You see it in their faces.

I can’t judge these pastors based off of a religious “Video Vixen”. I don’t care who’s gay. Who is doing what. We are all human. If it is not affecting the word that you are seeking then let it go. This author wants attention. May God help him and he better hope to whomever that he is correct. You don’t mess with a preacher close to God. His Karma will get him good if he is incorrect.

Also, why are people afraid of having money? Money is not evil. It’s what you do with the money that makes it evil. Oh and yes, Jesus was rich. I will find the scriptures (I am rusty) and post them later. It took them a while to take off all of his riches and jewerly before they nailed him to the cross. But I hear people afraid of prosperity. It’s like a disease!?! I don’t know, maybe people like to think that God wants you to be poor to make an excuse for their lives. Life is what you make it. If God or who you believe in is o great, why can’t you view him in having the best? Please. Well MY GOD is not broke.

But once again, I am glad that this is happening so it can put to rest the accusations that are going around. Like I said, I know about the two mega churches in Georgia. I’ve heard my share of rumors but I think this whole situation is good. It can shut everyone up and we can focus on other issues like, child molesters and serial killers, etc.

i don’t know the facts yet, but I believe it…i have a neighbor who’s a preacher at this small neighborhood church and he has a jaguar, maybe a few mercedes, a chyrsler 300 and maybe som other cars…and his church is kinda raggedy lookin…shouldn’t some of that money go toward the building fund?

He needs a big house so when visiting minsiters and their families come into town, t hey’ll have a big enough house for everybody.

… well, that COULD be the reason.

[looks up] i guess i wrote a lot hun lol.

I don’t support these flamboyant Pastor, Preachers or whatever they call themselves. Why NOT use most of that money to feed the hungry, house the homeless, provide scholarships for children, help with daycare, education, etc. WWJD, What Would Jesus Do & What Would Jesus Drive? They don’t represent God or Jesus just themselves. I would rather give my so called “Tithes” to the Mother who can’t feed or clothe her kids or the guy who doesn’t know where his next meal is coming from. God that money can go toward so much in helping people. You don’t need that much luxury to live. Greed is evil. Every man for himself as they say & that is very sad. Does anyone have a conscience anymore? I can’t believe people actually go along with these crooks. They are more like pimps in the pulpit & the members expense. I a quite sure the members know someone they could help with their tithes. You won’t go to hell for helping others with your tithes money instead of giving more to your greedy pimped out pastors.

@ K.ola

Stop the foolishness. If you dont go to church its cuz you dont want to, not because of anything Creflo Dollar or Eddie Long did. There are over 100,000 churches all across America. Churches like Creflo’s and Eddie Long’s are the exception, not the norm. If you wanted to find a decent simple church in the neigborhood, you could have.

Please.I’m so tired of people blaming other people’s actions for them not doing something they really didnt want to do anyway.

@MyReasonsForNotAttending….

That previous post could apply to you too I gues. 98% of preachers do not drive Bentleys, live in mansions, or have private jets. So if you claim that those types of preachers are the reason you dont go to church, then you’re just being a hypocrite, using that as an excuse.

If you dont believe in Christianity, or cant be bothered with goind to church every sunday, then thats your right. But stop trying to paint churches and preachers as being greedy, etc. just because of the actions of a few rich and famous preachers you dont like.

Religion is a racket. Always was, always will be….

Creflo Dollar even has an origanization set up for other churches that wish to donate to his cause. The bible says you should donate money to help the poor and needy while this guy is robbing the poor and the needy. After all these years of observing his ministry I never trusted anything that he said. He never preaches about salvation he only preaches about prosperity. I got a new name for him “Krept Yo Dollar”.

They need to investigate Juanita Bynum too. She’s a fake!

and this is how the world turns…no wonder why GOD is upset…

That mansion is gorgeous!! Love that pool; I wonder if it has an endless swim current built into it…

oh my GOD, i dont if i should sound happy or satisfied, i have always had a profound disdain for church leaders across the world and even worse in the black community…i cant even count the number of times i have been engaged in heated arguments with some of my black peers about the lavish life style of these pastors..black churches are a hot mess and i hope they get thrown in jail, it didnt a rocket scientist to ask himself why with so many churches in predominantly black areas, the crime rate is high, promiscuity,teen pregnancies, drug abuse..damn some neighbourhoods have like 2 chruches per block and nothing is changing, how many black kids ahve these churches sent to college? how many black people have the churches helped find reasonable housing? i mean i just dont see what they do other becoming personally rich and celebrating homosexual unions..smh..lover have mercy

i really want them to go down

these culture of mega churches and fast-lane-lifestyle-pastors have got to stop

@ Mike Baller

A lot of the biger churches specializes in a certian ares:

1. Creflo Dollar- Money/Prosperity

2. T.D. Jakes- Healing (spiritual and physical)

3. Kennneth Copeland- Prosperity

4. Benny Hinn- Healing

Research them first before talking about “People of God”. This is what the gov. is doing. Testing you hypothesis on those “thieves”. Just keep it simple before you have to answer to God for casting the first stone.

GOD IS EVERYWHERE, NOT ONLY CHURCH.

and btw…his last name speaks for itself…

(money has been on his mind since birth)…

Hello HIS NAME IS DOLLAR!! Hello his name is…nevermind I guess his lifestyle surprised people. His crib is what I’d expect from the king of the TV mega churches. You would have thought that preachers would have learned from Tammie Faye Baker that you can’t live all big and not get a knock on the door from dem folks. WWJD? Slam Bentley doors of course.

Churchs are big bussiness man its time for the people to realize that they are woreshiping negatively,you don’t have to be a part of a church for GOD to hear you know dat

Where do I begin? Some of you really need to think and do some research before you speak.

1. You’re leary about “Creflo Dollar” but you listen to music from “Murder Inc”…wow thats smart

2. ATM in lobby! Have you been to this mans church? Did you see this for yourself?

3. Why are you so upset that these ministers are so wealthy? You must be broke and hating big time!

4. Have you heard of the Law of Attraction? What you focus on expands! Focus on ministry it will expand. Focus on wealth, guess what? It will expand too!

Before you ask, yes I am a former member of Newbirth pastored by Eddie Long. I am also an independent thinker and leader. You make all these rants about what they should and shouldn’t have and where their money should go. 1st of all do you do all the things you are requesting of someone else? 2nd, how do you know that these things aren’t being done? Oh thats right you would not know because you were too busy making assumptions. I personally know that they are committed to giving back. I’ll give you 3 examples:

1. Maternity Hospital in Africa

2. Hurricane Katrina assistance

3. Paid my rent when my business slowed down

These pastors are rolling in the dough…yes…but they work hard. They write books, produce movies, speak across the world, etc. They are big dreamers…and you should be too. Stop limiting yourself and anybody else for that matter. Money = Access..point blank period! When you get some, you will understand.

You ask if Jesus lived like “this”! You tell me.

Scripture is not definitive when it comes to faith and income. We could debate all day about certain scriptures and what they meant..but the point is God has created avenues for all of us to pursue and as long as you seek wealth legally, morally and ethically then do you!

Geez I could go on and on..but i will leave you with this excerpt by Marianne Williamson from A Return To Love.

“Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us. We ask ourselves, Who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, fabulous? Actually, who are you not to be? You are a child of God. Your playing small does not serve the world. There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won’t feel insecure around you. We are all meant to shine, as children do. We were born to make manifest the glory of God that is within us. It’s not just in some of us; it’s in everyone. And as we let our own light shine, we unconsciously give other people permission to do the same. As we are liberated from our own fear, our presence automatically liberates others.”

DUH!

I’m glad there’s been an official inquiry, but it’s no surprise to me that these two are snakes. They are not representative of all pastors, not even those who helm megachurches, but it’s pretty clear that these two are driven by something other than the holy spirit.

It’s too bad that other preachers aspire to be like them.

There is nothing wrong with a preacher living well, but when his church members are struggling to pay rent and steady emptying out their pockets in good faith that’s the problem. I hate to say this but sometimes we, as black people, love the biggest, flashiest, most expensive things. We love a “big timer” image. But when you can’t talk to your pastor because he has bodyguards surrounding him what purpose does he serve?

P.S.

What took so long to find them out?! As if it wasn’t obvious they’re crooked. ATM’s at church indicate being all about money not Christ!

All yall make me sick. A pastor has the hardest job ever and yall yell if he get’s paid. Heck you should be looking at yall sinners and the folks in public office. When your rent needs paid or your water, lights and gas is getting ready to get shut off who do you run to. I’ll tell you you take you non church going ass to the pastor. You bunch of losers

@ Teea

Pastors are sinners too.

Snake charmin’ neeegro preachers. I hope they get got and right soon!

I guess Im so revved up by this because I was a part of “the megachurch family”…so I feel a certain kinship..and when anyone dishonors that, it makes me upset. Its like you talking about my biological family but you’ve never spent any time with us at all. It just doesnt make sense. That being said,

If church members are struggling to pay rent(like I once was) that is their fault. Like them, I was not disciplined with my finances. Im still on a journey to being 100% debt free. Either way when I needed help, they (the church) gave it to me. Not only that, but in order to receive the money I had to attend some finance classes(provided by the church).

Talk to the pastor…it was never my thing to be his groupie so to speak..but there were several ocassions, that I spoke with him. I told him they shouldnt have hams for thanksgiving…lol..thats a long story nevermind.

Anyway, all Im saying dont judge if you havent been a part of the experience.

it’s okay Nico. I’m making typos everywhere

It amazes me how so many people say that they hate black religious leaders so they dont go to church based on the fact that pastor has money.Would you have more respect for the pastor if all churches were super small and the pastor was a hobo and then you can say the pastor didnt take your money? Wake up The Pope/Vatican is by far and away the largest hustlers on the Planet they receive money from Countries!!! Vatican City is a Souverign country.Outside of all law and everything inside is made of gold with Thrones and rooms that are not for the viewing public. I have gone to New Birth I get a good Word and I go home I look at it like this anything you have been doing for years you should eventually master it and become successful I hear where some of you are coming from but they are small fish and they have been preaching for decades they would have gotten knocked by now so I dont believe that investigation mess they probably want money from the Churches and they said no so now it is an investigation now.

@ Blackstar

Actually a book came out two weeks ago “Exposing” all of the mega churches. The man claims that E. Long is gay, Dollar is a thief. etc. That’s why I stated that this dude was the religuous “Video Vixen”.

SNAKES IN THE PULPIT

I mean damn everybody cant have a big house like me!!!!!

Cause Im just Mary

Dont ask how come the preacher got ta have a nice house, Dont ask how come the preacher has ta have a nice car. DONT ASK I SAID DONT ASK JUST GIVE THA MONEY

There needs to be a Forbes list for preachers. And you know they would compete against each other. SMH

What’s wrong with prosperity? God’s plan is for us to prosper. The devil loves for people to be poor broke busted and disgusted. These men make their money serving God, what’s the problem? I’ll tell you the problem, they are spreading the Good News and showing the truth and light to people who have lived in the dark! Can we audit Bill Gates, or The Hilton’s. How did they get their money? They are being hated on because they are servants of God. So God has blessed them. So what? We will find no wrong doing. Watch. Meanwhile all kinds of crackers are doing dirt, not benefitting the commmunity, hoardig their wealth, and we say nothing.

What God has blessed can never be cursed. Watch and see.

CubaLinda and MissJ got it right. Stop putting your faith in man, because he can let you down. Dispite all of the ones stealing from the church, I too continue to tithe as the Bible instructs. If those who receive the tithes abuse and misuse them then they are accountable.

to Bankable P, the Bible doesn’t condemn having money. If you read the whole story about the profiting the world and losing his soul, you’d see that he was only about the money. The bible says that the LOVE of money is the root of all evil, not money itself.

People should worship GOD and not man. That should be comment enough!!

This is straight foul! BUT its no excuse not to go to church. The Lord will handle them! These are mere men no matter how important the world or their congregation wants to make them. My faith lies in GOD not man, so please don’t try to associate these mere men with my God!

On the subject of Jesus. My real bible readers can attest. JESUS WAS ROLLING IN DOUGH!!! I’ll say it agagin HE WAS RICH. But he chose to live his life humbly serving the poor and the needy. Remember Judas was his treasurer!!! What do you need a treasurer for if you are POOR??? C’mon people….

..and oh Patricia, God’s plan is not for us to prosper, but to serve Him and our fellow man.. and if we receive blessings in the process then that’s fine.

..And when I say “blessings”, quite simply it’s His grace and not 24′s and Rolex’s..

We as people need to stand by the people that are actually doing GOD’s will and his work people need to realize that corruption is rampant all these bloggers are asking the wrong questions and forming the wrong opinion Why is the government investigating these people now and why Graham or Oral Roberts sounds like the McCarthy days almost doesnt? We have to be able to see the snakes and the Wolves for who they are just because they hide behind words as Senator,Officer,President or Pope doesnt make them just evil is evil and wrong is wrong

..so then why can’t these preachers BE LIKE Jesus and live humbly and serve the poor and needy, if we are to be like Jesus?

…And Judas did what??? …Because of what?????

Duh! I knew Creflo “Dolla” was crooked! But I’m a little saddened by Bishop Long… I was just watching him on TV the other day too.. so sad… can’t trust anyone these days, not even in the name of Jesus

I just want to know what ignorant fools would even set foot inside a church with a preacher named “Creflo Dollar” wtf????????????????????

I told my husband about 4 years ago that I saw Eddie Long driving a white Caddy with some spinners on it on South Stone Mountain-Lithonia Road in Lithonia, GA. He laughed at me for ten minutes and said he is not rollin’ like that. Think again, sir…

Grant it, it does take money to run anything successful and growing, they can’t help that part, but careful how you work that IN ministry, don’t mince God’s words with finances the wrong way, that’s a very scary line to be walking when you have all these ppl who are living, breathing, salivating by the preacher’s words and his words alone.. I grew up in it,and I never seen such mindless leading and following before in my life, and soooo much time spent on FINANCES..something about that is not holiness, that’s not God..study yourself approved and Live by God’s Words..Consensus is he’s the only one you need to be worried about everyone else is subjective, ppl get too caught up in PEOPLE.

But for they’re own sake & salvation, hope it comes out clean… Creflo puts me to Sleep! he’s more of a TEACHER..

Time will tell All!

@Pervster

Who said these preachers are driving down the street with the top down and loud gospel music saying, “Look at me! Look at me!” When I see these guys in the street and other elected officals in Georgia. They ARE humble. They dine in at local mall restaurants frequently. They say hello at the book store. They make casual conversations with peopls. I never hear them boast. Is Amb. Andrew Young not humble when he speaks to locals but has the Baaaaadddddest car I have ever seen in my life! They do serve the poor and needy. Why can’t they live by example?

But think about it. What if nothing comes up after the investigation? Then what? How many people will have their foot in their mouths? Remember you are being judge on the degree you judge others. Some of yall are getting info on people who have experienced this in person for years and still so angry. Please.

@ blackstar

Why is the government investigating these people now and why Graham or Oral Roberts sounds like the McCarthy days almost doesnt?

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I don’t understand what you are saying.

These guys deserve what they have. There is nothing wrong with being prosperous, in fact, God wants us to prosper. Look at Psalm 122:6-7 “Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: May those who love you prosper. May there be peace inside your walls and prosperity in your palaces.” This is God saying that He wants us to have prosperity in our home or even palace. What’s the definition of a palace? Palace- 1. the official residence of a king, queen, bishop, or other sovereign or exalted personage.

2. a large and stately mansion or building.

Now you don’t have to live in a mansion for God to declare you prosperous but obviously that verse includes a palace. We, Christians are also not called to give all our money away and just survive. God wants it to “be on earth as it is in Heaven.” And I promise Heaven is full of riches and mansions and there is no lack.

Here’s another one of many many more.

Proverbs 11:25 “The generous man will be prosperous, And he who waters will himself be watered.”

Creflo Dollar is an extremely generous man who follows God and is an excellent teacher which is why he is blessed. If you guys did some research instead of just believing anything you hear, you will know that Creflo has many times given his own jet away to soemone who really needed it at the time like Kenneth Copeland and others.

Even if you don’t believe in the Bible or even God, most people believe in getting back what you give whether its good or bad. In the Bible its stated this way in Luke 6:38 “Give, and you will receive. A large quantity, pressed together, shaken down, and running over will be put into your pocket. The standards you use for others will be applied to you.”

These guys aren’t crooks and tithing isnt stealing. These leaders don’t spend all the churches money on themselves. The investigation will prove it so do some research before you just accuse people of things.

Pervster, how can you serve fellow man and you have nothing?

Don’t you all get it? Congress is checkin’ for these people because their books might be cooked. Not because they’re rich. Pastor Dollar and Eddie Long aren’t the only rich, black ministers. Benny Hinn is on that list too. There are big ministries that have really transparent financial records that show where the money’s going, and then there are these cats who are suspect. If your pastor is on that list, you should be worrying about what’s going down with your offering, not whether or not Pastor Dollar is gonna be losing some bills.

Prosperity is not only financial. 3John2

pastors have always drivin the best cars cadillacs most of the time! The problem I have with these new age guys is that they are extravagant meaning wasteful spending more than is necessary. The bible tells us to have a humble spirit, to be mild, to be meek. These cars, houses, planes are in no way mild or meek. If they can live that good, the parishiners should be living as good. If they aren’t the pastors should be taking some of the funds they are givin to pay for members college, to help some members attend private school, to do so many things that are more important than having a rolls royce in the garage. It is good to be prosperous but I really think God is talking about being prosperous spiritually more than material gain.

if you don’t want our kids to be dealers, rappers and athletes just show them this. we’ll have a ‘religious revolution’ in no time.

what ever happened to believe don’t question?

some of you have forgotten. don’t question……and be generous with the collection plate.

nothings changed when it comes to religious leadership since they 1st praised the sun.

His name is really Creflo Dollar? Creflo? Dollar? Someone please tell me thats a joke! Isn’t it?

@Patricia.

Your 4:04 post shows me that you are not a very clear and logical thinker.

You require nothing but love in your heart and a good spirit to “serve”. It doesn’t require money. Case in point.. My mother works at a residence that cares for men living with AIDS. The work she does brings her in contact with many charitable organizations. Around Halloween, one of these organizations delivered to her multiple bins (totaling about 1500 lbs) of candy. She took that candy, brought it back to the community, set up shop outside her residence and just gave it out to all the kids in the community.

Now you may say “it’s just candy”, but to a bunch of kids who have NOTHING this is the world. My mom has nothing, lives a very simple lifestyle and makes little money, but she said how good it made her feel to see the little faces lit up because of the what she was able to do on Halloween. She merely took a blessing and passed it on the someone else.

You can be broke and encourage someone, broke and show them how to build something, homeless but teach someone else the right way, poor but educate someone. We ALL have something to give to this world.

Man.. you have it all wrong. But then again I’m not suprised based on the things you have been saying so far.

@N-Qui-Sa-Tive? I meant to say why not Roberts and Graham who are the largest Ministers or Evangalists in America. It comes down to that senator wants or wanted something why those 4 ministers and if they were robbing people they would have been indicted a long time ago. The McCarthy reference was for the senator in the 50′s goiing after Hollywood saying that they were all Communists

*dead* @ the uncle ruckus references

I honestly had to stop reading some of these comments. Good Pastors deserve every good thing that happens to them, they are preaching the word of God, they are dealing with the burdens of the community, and they are the ones that you ask to pray for you when you mess up. Who cares that they have a nice house and car? Bishop Long gives his congregation the necessary tools to become wealthy, to own their own homes, to be the lender and not the borrower! You cant say that these pastors should be supporting the community and sending kids to school if u dont know. Thats exactly what NBMBC does!! Numerous community service as well as scholarship programs, so read and find out before using your hands to type ignorance. I was a recipient of college monies as well as a care package once a month from New Birth, so dont do me!! These pastors get these things because they deserve them. Once again these are men, human beings, not god and people need to realize that. Why wouldnt they want nice things? Who doesnt?

You got to have some big balls to go after a child of God, cause God dont play with His children.

Please do your own research and understand that Jesus definitely was rich. Everything is His!! How can you ask “where does it say Jesus was rich?” He is the King of Kings and Lord of Lord’s…logically thinking He has to be rich.

@ Pervster (me too)

You have a point about the apples and oranges. I mention Andrew Young with Dollar & Long to assert the fact that they are in the public eye and yet carry themselves in a humble the same way and they are all wealthy.

I see your point about them misrepresenting the Word of God. But like I said that will ALL hopefully come to light soon. But even though I don’t attend World Changers, I can honestly say that he teaches on more than just prosperity. I can’t remember the exact year but around 2000-2002 he spent a year on the fundamentals of the bible and teaching us agape love, loving your enemy, etc. It’s not EVERY sermon he teaches on finances but 72% of the time. But when he does teaches on prosperity, he gives scriptures in the bible to how you say, back-up his teachings. I can’t tell you I use to go to church and leave with two college-ruled sheets on the lesson for the week! But all you hear him say is this, “If you don’t believe me, look it up in the bible.” He teaches his sheep to research for themselves. That on its own is what a good preacher should teach his people: Read the bible for yourself.

And like I stated earlier, those houses and cars are paid through books, tapes, endorsements, clothing lines, there record companies everything outside of the church. If that’s a lie then like I said, It will be brought to light and that’s bet. him and the good Lord and the IRS. I can say that the jet was paid for through the church around 2001 or 2003 -whenever World Changers started preaching in Africa for weeks at a time. It got expensive flying so much so frequently.

I get where you are coming from but I could only be like that if they were proven guilty. They are not. I can’t judge them so harshly and have a heavy heart. That will block what God has for me. And even after its all said and done, I wouldn’t get mad b/c God knew where my heart was in it all.

SOME PEOPLE HERE ARE JUST JEALOUS. IF YOU HAVE READ THE BIBLE, SOLOMON WAS RICH, KIND DAVID WAS RICH TOO. AIN’T NOTHING WRONG WITH BEING WEALTHY. PEOPLE ASSUME THAT IF YOU ARE A MAN OF GOD THEN U SHOULD BE POOR AND PERFECT. CREFLO DOLLAR GOT SO MANY PEOPLE SAVED, HE DESERVES TRILLIONS.

THIS GUY EVANGELIZE THE WHOLE WORLD AND SAVED SO MANY SOULS, LET NOT JUDGE HIM. EVEN KING DAVID MURDERED AND COMMIT ADULTERY, ONLY GOD JUDGES.

Wait, Congress, stop the investigation . . . Pretty Rikki got care packages from NBMBC!

@ everyone

Ohhh (to blackstar). So no one thinks this has something (I thing everything) to do with that book? No one has heard of it. Snakes in the pulpit?

You all absolutely amaze me! You act like they are charging people at the door to hear them preach. And who are you to dictate how they spend their money? Like I said earlier, you must be broke. If you had money, you too would buy nicer more expensive things. Just ignorant!

black folks and religion. smh. it’s like ride or die no matter what.

@lanski

i agree. some won’t let white jesus go. you know some have the picture in their closet ready to go back up on the wall when certain people ain’t around.

religion. now that’s game, and the oldest one.

do your thang. get that money

I don’t necessarily think poverty and salvation go hand and hand.

I also don’t think religion in any way, shape, or form; should participate in material extravagance. We can live well with out being excessive.

I also think that it’s open season on Black Wealth in America.

It’s blatantly obvious that Cointelpro is targeting wealthy African Americans.

But keep your nose and books clean so when they do come knocking; and they will come knocking; you’re straight.

…Jesus lacked nothing. Show me in the bible where he did.

This dude is a crook we just saw him on CNN. Don Lemon(CNN) was killing him with questions that he stumbled trying to answer. He took Mase in so you know he’s NO true man of God.

@ pervster

Cool. [throws thumbs up]

Certain things He did not need because they were unnecessary.

@ Latrice

I went to his church for over a decade…..thank you.

If God twinkled down to earth to live for two years, how would you view him? Would he be wearing a long white t-shirt w/ jeans? Would he be living with holes in his socks? Doubt it. Would he have jets and cars and planes to take care of him? Yes. If God came down now, he can have ALL of my things! So if WE are like the image of HIM, then why can’t WE have what we desire?

@ Latrice

I went to church two times a week. I took notes and spent time in the church. So I do believe I can say that he spends 72% of the time on prosperity/money/etc.

That’s not simple desire; that’s lust and gluttony.

You’re attempting to make excuses for materialism.

Creflo Dollar built that ministry from ground up. If people want to give him money, then that’s their business. The pictures of that house is old. If he stil lives there then he has lived there for a long time. If they want to investigate someone, they can look no further than the White House with Dick Cheney. He is not trying do no VP work, all he is doing is milking that job for all its worth. Now Investigate that!!!

If you don’t want what God has for you, then I’m sure someone else will take it. God knows the desires of your heart. Desire does not have to be a negative thing. Change your way of thinking.

@N-Qui-Sa-Tive?Snakes in a Pulpit the book I have not read it but that is with anyone of power everyone has some dirt on them but if they are wrong they are wrong. Look at James Cleveland…Serial Child Molester so hey wrong is wrong.BTW Jesus had a job!!! he wasnt rich he was a carpenter like his earthly father! some of the higher ups made sure they were taken care of but they had to pay Caesar like everybody else

I am a Christian, but I am wise enough to know God has nothing to do with me becoming rich. Just look at all rich people in the world, some are atheist/agnostic, some are muslim, and some are buddist.

Heck my father is rich and he has never paid a tithe in his life. My grandmother pay tithes, choir fees and usher board fees and can barely pay her rent. But I learned something from both of them.

Christianity is about love, not money. Christ had to be buried in a borrowed tomb, but he gave us salvation. Use your common sense. Christ came to save your souls, not to make us rich. Like my pastor said, if you have your rent and car note money in your purse, keep don’t give it to me. That’s your blessing. I can pray and tithe all I want, but if I don’t use the talents and common sense God gave me, I’ll be hungry and broke.

Snakes in the pulpit?

……come on!…………..

that’s how the gov got all of this info. Well maybe it’s a good thing then cause he didn’t get the accolades he thought he was going to get. (yay)

@N- N- N- N- Please

The only problem I had with your post (besides your name) was the below statment:

The bible is a compilation of writings and essays from various sources, selected specifically by the roman government to be included in the official “Bible”.

Christianity was going on before the Romangovernment decided to make it acceptable in government and they did not make an official Bible.

@ Latrice

Sorry if I sounded mad.

@N-Qui-Sa-Tive? We all have been blessed with talent and decision that we can manipulate to gather material goods. What the creator has for me can not be manufactured by the hands of man, and no one can take that.

Desire for material wealth can quickly turn to lust, as fear can quickly turn to hate.

The road to hell is paved with good intention.

“Christianity is about love, not money.” (c) blakgirl

I guess I can just chalk this up to being from the old school. Until I moved south a few years ago, I didn’t know that preachers were actually receiving a salary. I remember Bishop Shields having a job teaching in the New Haven School system. I also remeber Rev. Bynes being a janitor in school. These were their PAYING jobs. If they preached and received a “love offering” over $100.00, that was reason to celebrate! I guess those days are long gone.

@N-Qui-SA-Tive

WOW….you are telling me something that I already know. If you read my comment you would see that I said he is all about prosperity. From reading your comment it looks like I’m going to need about 4 or 5 pastors to fulfill my spiritual needs. It looks like you need some spiritual GUIDANCE.

Another thought–

Someone mentioned ATM machines in church lobbies?

YES! I visited one here once where there is indeed, an ATM machine in their lobby. I also visited one (was asked to sing in a women’s day celebration) that the Bishop had a hand held ATM device!!!! His exact words were (once he explain what it was to the congregation) “If you don’t know, now you know”. I’ll never forget that. I’ll never forget the fact that they didn’t pay me my $75.00 either!

SMH!!

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How Long will it take for our people to relize that pastures and preachers these days our pimps …They could care less about whats going on just give them there money for enteraining your azz on sunday ….I mean cmon they are using debit machines and taking money outta people checks …where in the gospel of christ does jesus say to do that HUH??????…Did Jesus make his Disciples pay up??? Did Jesus walk around and ask for money???? …NO NO NO ….People please read MAthew,Mark,Luke and John …Dont be fooled by these devils at at the alter

@Mike Baller

Don’t confuse my knowledge about this topic with my spiritual life with God. Who are you to tell me that I need guidance. Who’s judging who?

HEY TRU

AINT IT IRONIC HIS LAST NAME IS DOLLAR

DOLLA DOLLAR BILL YALL

GLAD NONE OF THESE MUGGAS GOT MY MONEY

AS HE DANCE IN LUDACRIS VIDEO

DOLLA DOLLAR BILL YALL!!!!!

@n n n please

so are you arguing that chritianity does not exist thus they (preachers) are false themselves?

Let the church say yeahhhhs!!!!!!!!!!! Welll

what r u saying. w/o the quotes. this blog is too long to start all over

Speaking of ATM in the lobby, I know of a church if you don’t have cash they except EBT and thats real talk down here.

It’s ridiculous how some of these so called preachers live while some of their members are probably living paycheck to paycheck but still breaking their neck to pay their tithes.

Tht’s why hislast name is Dollar!!!!!!!!! Please increase your font!!!! Im legally blind!

@Lanski—- great points!!

I ALREADY SAID THAT ^^^^^^^

Okay. Well time for Family Guy. Peace!

Poor Shane

It’s ok for celebrities to have nice things and we go out and purchase cds and concert tickets but it’s a problem when a pastor has nice things and they ask for a offering. Society is backwards. The soul is more important than anything.

@Chris- if you can’t see the difference between a celebrity and a pastor, then I don’t know what to tell you. It’s ridiculous for you to compare a celebrity to a pastor but I wonder which one gives more to charity! Food for thought….

LIKE I SAID …HOW MUCH DOES HE TITHE TO THE CHURCH….I AM SURE ITS NOT 10+% TITHE TO FINANCIALLY SECURE HIS GRANDKIDS…….ALSO YES HE SHOULD BE COMFORTABLE, TRUE, FOR SERVICE. BUT WHY DO THEY NEED TO KNOW OUR PERSONAL FINANCIAL WEALTH TO DETERMINE WHAT THEY RECEIVE, WHILE MANY TRULY IN NEED CANT ASK THE CHURCH FOR ASSISTANCE, WHICH TITHING IS INTENDED FOR THE NEEDY AND UP KEEP OF THE HOUSE OF GOD, I BUST MY ASS AT WORK AND HELP OTHERS I MAY NOT AFFORD TO HELP, JUST TO SEE PIMPS FROM THE PULPITS RIDING AND LIVING FLY!

I DONT REMEMBER “TRUE MEN OF GOOD” EVER BEING PROCLAIMED AS LIVING SOOO FLAMBOYENTLY. IN THE NAME OF THE LORD..

PS CHURCH FUNDS AND MINISTER WAGES ARE SEPERATE

HOW MUCH OF HIS PERSONAL INCOME,AGAIN I ASK, DOES HE TITHE?

FOR ANY TYPOS,,OOPS

Eddie Long: His DVD The Five Gods We Worship in America. He peeped the game of corporate America and the very rich and that is why they are after him. As for Creflo Dollar — never liked or trusted him.

KIM,

Sorry to but in but I see what Chris is saying.

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Kim

@Chris- if you can’t see the difference between a celebrity and a pastor, then I don’t know what to tell you. It’s ridiculous for you to compare a celebrity to a pastor but I wonder which one gives more to charity! Food for thought….

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He’s not directly comparing a pastor with a celebrity. All he is saying what’s the problem is a pastor has really nice things. People forget that pastors get paid too. Believe it or not it is a profession. I wouldn’t want a job where I’m making less than my salary now. And I have never met a person who had a job (not internship) and didn’t get paid.

@ n n n please

so what about the subject do you find as them being like,

“When they do something that’s obviously un-Christ-like call they ass out!!! Dont let em pull out a bible and justify their behaviour, call em out on the spot!!”

@ n n n please

I’m basically asking why (lethargic) do you view them as evil? If you do view them that way. Based on what actions they have done.

My sister-in-law attends one of thoes Mega churches in Texas and you have to “contribute nicely” for your parking/seat if you want a good one and the pastor gives his sermon in his office and he braodcasts it on huge screens (sorta like the Whiz), and then has a restaurant, coffee shop and bookstore all in the lobby.

Funny thing is that you never see him in person, and when he gives his “special ticket sermons” he has bodyguards that whisk him into his vehicle afterwards.

“Test the spirits”

P.S.

INSTEAD OF ME CONTRIBUTING TO THE FUEL OF SOMEONES PERSONAL JET, WHOM OF WHICH I AM SURE WILL NEVER TAKE THE TIME TO LEARN MY NAME

I WOULD MUCH RATHER CHILL AND SOCIALIZE WITH MY FOLKS AND A GALLON OF JACK DANIALS…AND GUESS WHAT I AM SURE THEY WILL BRING SOME ICE AND HELP CLEAN HOUSE!!

I get what you are saying. Cool

FAW–

Why don’t me, you and mybusiness just meet up at Food Lion? Once we get our drink on, we can jump in my sh*t and find Mr. Dollar? I’m sure he wouldn’t turn sheep away from his flock!

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

*they

eff word press for telling me I’m posting too quickly and eff them for telling me to slow down!!

Lol!!!

I’SNT GREED A SIN!!!!

keep paying to get into heaven….or is it to stay outta hell?

don’t knock the hustle.

I’d like to know how many of guys actually took the time to pray for these men? No man can ever stop me from going into the house of the Lord and praising Him. Stop using man as the reason why you refuse to fulfill your duty to go to church and praise Him. Your reason for going to church is not to worship the pastor, it’s too get the word of God and magnify Him. You are no better than they are if these alledged allegations are in fact true. Last time I checked God didn’t need our help in judging, He needed us to know Him and to make Him known, not to point fingers. When you point your finger at others look down and see the three that are pointing back at you. Now any of you that are perfect and without sin, please cast that first stone. Please understand that you can’t. And as far as tithing goes that 10% is for the Lord, it has nothing to do with man, now if they choose to spend it on a car or what have you let God take care of that, you take care of your own duties. I know the real people of God can feel me on what I am saying because we know our reason for going to church and paying our tithes. When its time for your judgement are you going to tell God that you didn’t go to church and pay your tithes because pastor was a thief?

Ok I went back and I started reading some earlier blogs and I swear some of these people really sound like they have been brain washed!!!!!!!!!!!! Think “CULT.

1TruDiva w/ The PlatinumVocals

FAW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Did you see my post to you yesterday! I was soooo overjoyed, I even sang! lol!!!!!

TRUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU DIIIIVAAAAA

GIRL I WILL MEET YOU AT THE LIONS DEN!!!CUP IN HAND AND I DID GET YOUR MESSAGE FROM YESTERDA…REPLIED TO IT TOO!!!

YOU MY GIRL!!!!

AND SORRY I TOOK SO LONG TO RESPOND I HAD TO TAKE A BATH, DUE TO ALL THE POTENTIAL DIRT I READ ON THIS STORY….LOL

HIT ME UP CHICK

_____________________________________________________

CREFLO DOLLAR(AND THE REST OF THOSE LIKE HIM)

AKA

SMILING SAM THE HAPPYNESS MAN FROM GOOD TIMES

ARE YOU HONEST JAMES?…LOL

Furthermore, people talk about mega churches it is a beautiful thing that so many people are attending church. In this day and age it is quite evident that this world is in its last days, folk need to be in church. What is pastor suppose to do close the door and say we can’t take anymore people we have a capacity limit? No build a bigger church to welcome more people. Its like as long as your are in the world and sinning no one has anything to say about that, but the moment that you get saved and starting surrending to the Lord all the finger pointing begins. Like I said before you’re suppose to know God and make Him know.

This is the difference of the White man’s Jesus and the Black man’s Yahshua…Jesus is all about the money and Yahshua the Hebrew Messiah is about the richness of the spirit for the soul..Check this passage out..Matt 11:5 5 The blind receive their sight, and the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, and the deaf hear, the dead are raised up, and the poor have the gospel preached to them.

See the poor didn’t receive money; they received the word…Christians quit practicing false doctrines man and join the Hebrew Israelite movement..Salvation to the House of Judah 1st (John 4:22… Check this site out…Your life depends on it.

http://www.hebrewisraelites.org/messblknat.htm

the jesus game is crackin…just learn how to recite the bible and you in …shout out to creflo dolla and dem/show the gov you livin good and they come snoopin around lmao they insane

What’s REALLY funny how everybody is praising Frank Lucas for killing people (hustling) for over 2 decades, but a pastor gets blessed for selling tapes and other things he’s a crook. Our society is sooo backwards, no one knows what businesses these guys owns!!

The bible says tithe that’s 10% folks, I do believe that they have a lot of educated people in their churches, so just think if they have a lot of people in their churches making 6 figures from their teachings those tithes are gonna be blessed and that’s outside of business ventures and selling tapes & cd’s, they don’t sell heroin or crack & you wanna tear them down WHAT’S REALLY GOING ON!!!

FAW–

I’m back!!!!!!!!!!! Lol!!!!!!

Why errbody sweatin’ ol’ Cref? It’s not like he molested some kid or some *ish* like that! Damn! Errbody and their Momma know once you get too long in the green- government start checkin’ for ya! Sh*t–the white man made and perfected that game. It’s only so much money anybody can have before they snatch the reins! Like I said–I’ve never heard of preachers on a payroll until I moved here so–whatever! I aint mad at NONE of ‘em!

Do You! Let the creator do the judging!

Be back in a few…runnin’ out to get some chicken wings and fried rice! Them MOFO’s betta give me more than one ducksauce, too ’cause I swear to Go…if they don’t!

FAW— Why I call the district office on Wendy’s ’cause they keep running out of baked potatoes? And they got the nerve to have a nasty attitude when they tell me “they aint got none”. Like they glad I’m pissed!

Bastids! Lol!!!!

HEY GIRL!!!!!

TRUUUUUUU!!!!ASS!!!1DIVAA!!!!!

I SEE YOU!!!!!WENDY’S AINT BEEN THE SAME SINCE DAVE PASSED AWAY!!!!!

RIP DAVE!!!

CUSTOMER SERVICE SUCKS I KNOW

HALLELUAH CHICKEN WINGS!!!!

LOL

@Pervster

They shouldnt talk about finances in church? Are you serious? Most of the people in church wouldn’t hear about it if they didnt go! They dont go to financial advisors and bankers…that is the whole point. These churches are “whole”istic in the respect that they deal with many social issues as well as your salvation. Now, thats whats up!

HOT WINGS

BUFFALO WING

DEEP FRIED WING

HONEY BBBQ WINGS

TURKEY WINGS

DRUMMETES

SWEET AND SOUR WINGS

SMOKED WINGS

BEER BATTERED WINGS

LOL@TRUDIVA

I’m glad the government is checking on suspect preachers. If they aren’t doing anything wrong, they have nothing to worry about. If they are, they should be plenty worried. And let that be a lesson to anyone else who thinks they want to be a “minister” and rake in the dough!

“If God twinkled down to earth to live for two years, how would you view him? Would he be wearing a long white t-shirt w/ jeans? Would he be living with holes in his socks? Doubt it. Would he have jets and cars and planes to take care of him? Yes. If God came down now, he can have ALL of my things! So if WE are like the image of HIM, then why can’t WE have what we desire?”

This is kind of crazy to me. All these years, I’ve been led to believe that God would manifest as someone in need or a humble soul…

Also, I don’t know how it is in every denomination, but I know that in some, preachers receive some sort of salary from their governing body, so they don’t have to live off of their followers’ money.

This is a very interesting conversation y’all have got going…

For those who may defend them and those like them: How is it judging, if it’s the truth? The only thing that will shed the light on this is to use the same Bible from which they claim. The prosperity and “name and claim it” ministries ARE some of the most damaging and DECEPTIVE ministries out there. There are people, who have worked for mega million dollar ministries, that have seen gross adulteries, theft, lying, money laundering, drugs, illicit sex, you name it. RESEARCH IT.

^^^YOU KINDA SMART FOR A “BARBIE DOLL”

LOL

I can’t understand how poeple still beleive in religion.

The story of god was invented by men to control men.

You make your decisons, not GOD.

And my favborite, Please, were was he when the holocaust happend, the slavery, katrina, hunger in the world, wars…

Excuse my typing i’m french Canadian…

@ 1TruDiva, I’m mad that you called the district office on Wendy’s for not having baked potatoes, lol. That reminds me before I got delivered from eating at KFC, the KFC on Memorial Dr. in Decatur always ran out of chicken, how can you be a chicken joint and run out of chicken?

^^^^^^^^^^

And my favorite: GOD WILL HELP US……

What happend?

Never give this guys your money its better to a well managed charity, redcross, christian aid etc

http://kevykevysoulexperience.blogspot.com/

WENDY’S ALWAYS RUN OUT OF POTATOES!!!!!

THATS LIKE MCDONALD’S RUNNIN OUT OF FRIES

all i wanna no is y isnt td being investigated 2? he’s as big a crook as the rest. but marcus garvey never gets his props. at least marcus made us proud and actually attempted to obtain something for all of us.

TRU ASS DIVA!!!!

YOU MUGGA!!!!

GOT ME WAITING ON YOUR CHICKEN WING FRIED RICE BUTT!!!

HOW YOU GONNA DO YA GIRL LIKE THAT!!

I GUESS YOU WILL READ THIS IN THE MORN SINCE YOU GOT FULL OFF THE FAST FOOD!!

STILL LUV YA THO

HEFFA

LOL

^^^^^ HUN I RESPECT YOUR OPINION….LAWD KNOWWZZ I DO

……. BUT IF YOU ALLOW ME TO SHARE MY THOUGHT WITH YOU

CHURCH IS TO FELLOWSHIP……

GOD IS EVERYWHERE

CHURCH IS ABOUT FELLLOWSHIPPING, NOT TAKING ROLLCALL IN THE NAME OF THE LORD

HE IS WERE EVER YOU R

Why can’t God’s people live good? Someone has already made the point that all these Rappers and wannabe “Gangstas” are living like this but Good people that are spreading the word of God can’t live like this? People need to get themselves together!

since when is it ‘my duty’ to go to church?

tithing? ‘roll eyes’

i respect game, no hate here.

too bad they let billy, pat, and the rest of those yt hucksters do there thing but it pays to be a member…of the skull and bones, masons, etc.

GOD DONT EXIST YOU STUPID PEOPLE…

GOD DONT EXIST YOU STUPID PEOPLE…

GOD DONT EXIST YOU STUPID PEOPLE…

GOD DONT EXIST YOU STUPID PEOPLE…

GOD DONT EXIST YOU STUPID PEOPLE…

GOD DONT EXIST YOU STUPID PEOPLE…

GOD DONT EXIST YOU STUPID PEOPLE…

GOD DONT EXIST YOU STUPID PEOPLE…

GOD DONT EXIST YOU STUPID PEOPLE…

Religion(s) is the fruit of couple of smart dudes who find a way to control (stupid) people.

Y’all know that santa is not real right?

words of man will pass away….word of God will stand forever

I AM GLAD! NEITHER OF THEM CAN GET MY DOUGH IN THE “A” HYPOCRITES!! CHURCH IS A BILLION DOLLAR BUSINESS NO LONGER ABOUT THE REAL TRUE WORKS OF GOD!!

That is not of God. That is of the devil. Anyone giving money to these false prophets has been deceived.

How many poor people could all that material b.s. have uplifted? How much 2 months late with the rent money does that represent? How many groceries sacrificed? How many young people could have been sent to college? How many community centers could have been built? How much good could have been done?

Those photos are shameful.

Pastors are like old time hairdressers: the worse their hair, the more time they’re spending on making other people (and you) look beautiful. If Pastor is living substantially better than the congregation, find another congregation.

the truth

since when is it ‘my duty’ to go to church?

tithing? ‘roll eyes’

i respect game, no hate here.

too bad they let billy, pat, and the rest of those yt hucksters do there thing but it pays to be a member…of the skull and bones, masons, etc.

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Billy Graham shouldn’t be included.

pimps=ministers

ho’s=congregation

Better recognize!!

In other news, the sky is blue.

If these mofos had been conning majority white people out of dough, they’d have been locked up long ago.

Creflo Dollar, Eddie Long, Joyce Meyer, and Paula White are among many other Word-Faith teachers who are deceiving and financially raping thousands of Christians. For those of you who are interested, I’ve written a very detailed article that addresses the false doctrines of the Word-Faith Movement. It can be found at: http://www.victorstephens.com/victorstephenswebsite_018.htm.

Okay, is his last name really “Dollar”?

We are folks still preaching about money being “root of all evil” and materialism is a bad thing, etc., etc. when look at the lavishness and materialism going on with these churches….

To all who are here who have posted their comments on this issue. I want to ask how many of you or christians and read their word daily. I am a born again beliver and i use to think just like you,but later I learned through reading GODS good and perfect word that. The blessings of the lord maketh one rich and adds no sorrow with it(provebs10:22). The word also tells us that if you in all your evil can give good gifts to your own children,then how much better gifts will he who is rightous give to his children who he also considers rightous.Do you not know that through his ministry that thousands of people world wide is being saved and helped.You evil,wicked and perverse generation. I pray that when he comes may he have mercy on your souls.Therefore be quick not to judge things that you don’t understand, and things that come from heaven. It is not up to you to judge anyone but him who sits on high,and you in all your evil ways will also be judged.

Its just like the saying goes “money is the root of all evil” I feel they should live modest.. There just taking it overboard…

These are just proof that we are living in the last days…

If you read the word it will tell you that their duty is to go out and fellowship and help your brothers and sisters with their issues. That is impossible with these “mega” churches that have so many members the pastor dosent even know your name, and you have to schedula an appt. Just to talk to them!! I been on the list @ my church for months!!

And for the ppl that mentioned rappers..@ least they are not using God to collect wealth..honestly the church is no diff from rappers..they both have entourages (ushers, deacons, ect) body gaurds,groupies, and paid appearances…and Vip sections…

Can someone explain to me how it is that the front seats of the church are reserved for celebs and others…when I pay my tithes and have to sit behind them…that aint right!!!

Let them enjoy it while the can because when God comes back..there will be Major hell to pay!!!

I’m out!!!

@Nico

I thought I was done with this thread, but made the mistake and came back out here to see what was going on.

Nico, the church was NEVER intended to be a place that would be a haven for those engaging in financial dealings, thus Jesus driving the money changers from the temple. Why?

Because the practices of sacrifice and other methods of atonement had become too COMMERCIALIZED in the church. Sound familiar??

Your statement: “Most of the people in church wouldn’t hear about it if they didnt go!”..is that supposed to somehow validate your argument or something??

I will say to you that the fact that they wouldn’t hear about it unless they went to church illustrates how broken and gullible those in the congregation are. That’s on them if they do not take the interest in finances and to be smart with them. I clearly understood this concept long before I ever got baptized, and I came from NOTHING. I never needed some slick talking preacher to hype me into a frenzy so he or she can shake me down for my offering.

Let me ask you this (and let me expose it for what it really is, since you think there is some great “financial education” taking place in the church)..How often do these ministers actually “educate” on finances during service?? Ever hear them tell you that you should revisit you asset allocation about every 6 months?? They ever tell you you should first look to have 3-6 months income set aside before you invest seriously?? About ways to get your credit rating to above 700 and maintain it??

I think I know the answer. You see.. no real “financial education” is taking place, only that slick talker telling you how ” you are about to receive your breakthrough”, or “your ship is coming in”, or ” you are about to be blessed in a mighty way”…

All with the intent of helping you reach into your pocket and empty it for him or her, because YOU have been convinced there is more coming.

I’m sure you’ll say, “they offer classes”..but then again, that’s not worship service either now IS it????

@ felecia

keep your prayers for your ministers, don’t need it or want it.

how about i’ll pray for you.

those who close their mind and choose to remain blind

livin’ in the last days? these are long ass days. they’ve been sayin’ that for centuries. hen it’s time it’s time. until then….

first off, Jesus said that He is the truth(Jhn 14:6), so anything that is or was done in the dark will come to light, no matter how much you try to cover it. so IF there is any wrong doing, trust that it will be exposed.

to the message that asked if financial education is is being done during the course of the service, i’d have to say yes. my pastor speaks on if often, had done series on the subject, has written a book on ‘smart money management’, offers sms classes, advises us to invest, by property, open ira’s, 401ks,529s and so on. homes and cars have been PURCHASED and paid for for people in the congregation, foodbanks have been established in our ministry an the list goes on. so you can not catagorize all preachers as being theives. especailly those who use the excuse that ‘i don’t go to church because…’ that’s a freakin’ crock! your purpose for attending is not for the pastor, but for seekings God’s face and His presence and if you not feelin’ him, you most def should not be there (Prv 1:5 …a wise man….will aquire good counsel…)

so many people come in the church doors lookin for something to talk about. we need to change our focus…

not to mention, in bible study, just last night, my pastor spoke on leaving an inheritance for your childrens children. so even if financial stability isn’t being taught every where, rest assured that it is being taught some place. to add, he has spoken on having 3-6 mos saved…

As someone who has attended both of these churches and who knows Bishop on a more personal level I feel comelled to post. I wont get into a religious debate or quote scriptures, I just want to help your debate with facts. Bishop Long does not recieve a salary, he has not recieved a salary in more than 7 years. All of the money he receives from the church is through a love offering which the congregation knows is for him. You are encouraged to tithe, as any responsible pastor would do, however they dont ask for your W-2′s or financial earnings, you put your money in an envelope and put it in the basket like anywhere else. Bishop oersonally paid my brothers, and several of his friends way through college, and in Atlanta, attending an HBCU, that is alot of money. I have witnessed him give cars to single mothers during service, pay off peoples mortgages, and clothe and feed the hungry. When I myself was out of work and close to nothing, I had not to worry but just ask. Bishop is also an author, playwrite, motivational speaker, and business man. If you research his wealth comes mostly from BELL ministries, which has nothing to do with his church. And for those that will say “why isnt preaching enough, why does he need to have businesses?” Well make up your mind, at first you were mad that he was living off the church, now your mad cuz he is making his own money. Who are we to say the gifts the Lord has given these men. They have saved tens of thousands of souls, brought people to salvation that may not otherwise have come. Look at their good works, not their manly mistakes. How many people have we told about the goodness of God today….before this post. Maybe if we started saving lives by the thousands we would gain riches too. And for the one who said something about those following false prophets and so forth. Bishop preached a sermon for you too, he said that he is but man given a message. It is up to you to recieve the message, and be spiritually accountable for yourself. In otherwords stop looking to the pastors for anything more then the word, give your tithe because that is what God said and we will all be alright.

Peace and Love

@Latrice.

What’s your point? Did you not read my post? I guess you missed the last line (and the rest of it for that matter). So let me get this straight… your “pastor” taught the financial seminar class? during WORSHIP SERVICE???

I mean… do you really see the point? Oh my bad, you’re too blinded to see it. Forgive me.

“seeking God’s face and His presence” = GETTING YOUR PAPER UP

“seeking God’s face and His presence” = smart money managemet

“seeking God’s face and His presence” = real estate investing

Laughable, totally LAUGHABLE.

@ grown up

T.D Jakes isn’t being investigated because he doesn’t take a salary from his church,he makes money through motivational speaking,writing book,making cds,movies,etc.He’s not trying to cheat his congregation outta their money,he’s trying to teach them a better way of life and to empower themselves.Creflo Dollar preaches more about money than any other Pastor I’ve seen,yes the Lord wants us all to be prosperous but I don’t think he meant through materialistic things.Some of these pastors are living in multimillion dollar homes while some members of their flock are being evicted,do they take them in,no.I can’t see givivng all my money to a mega church that’s getting paid off people that are barely making it and living check to check.

laughable or not, what it all boils down to or not, if they are in wrong,it will be exposed. if they aren’t, all of those who has accused will have their mouths shut.

@Pervster

Yes, Im using that statement to validate my argument. Alot of things and places were NEVER intended for certain people or certain practices. But it is a different time now and things have changed…some for the better.

I agree that it is peoples fault if they dont seek out ways to improve their life, but at the same time some of us need a match lit under our butts to perform. Everyone is not born with exceptional initiative to “do for themselves”! I was one of those people. My parents had money so I became very lazy as it related to finances. It wasnt until I went to NewBirth did my thoughts change…and not just about money but about personal and spiritual relationships. Again, I say that it was a well-rounded experience for me. The education is there…there were many times that we didnt have a “normal” church service…he sat and talked to us about family, faith and finance. Did he tell us about breakthroughs? yes..but please know that in the same sermon he told us that faith without works is dead. He also said that its not the amount of money we make but what we do with what we have…and if we are good stewards over that, then the lord will increase our capacity because he knows we can handle it.

Let me say this..I was skeptical about going to NB because of all the “crap” I had heard. A friend of mine invited me…I went..with my arms folded and a terrible attitude. I had to check myself and change my attitude. I asked God to guide me to be open to whatever it is Im supposed to receive…and the rest is history.

We are all entitled to our opinions…but you and so many other people on here have never had the experience, but you have so much to say. It just doesn’t make sense to me. I know you thought you were done with this thread..but so did I. Its all love….hopefully. Peace

@Latrice.

I take GREAT delight in telling you that not only do I go to church, but I am a baptized CHRISTIAN. Thankfully, I have a church FAMILY. We all know each other, my minister is merely one of the flock himself and understands that he has responsibilty to God to EVANGELIZE and leave the running of the church to the ELDERS, the way Christ intended it to be.

My “congregation” decides semi-annually where every dime of the church funds is spent; from the minister’s fair and liveable salary to every outreach ministry, to administrative costs, to the gas in the church bus. We literally vote on these things, deaconships, etc. by “yea or nay” consensus WITH church budget spreadsheets in our hands..

FEEL ME???

So don’t talk to me about church transparency, worship and all that. I might hide behind silliness from time to time on these blogs out of fun, but don’t be fooled.

I’m in the wrong line of work.

@ Polau

I respect what you have to say, you have an opinion like everyone else, however, to be out right disrespctful and ugly is not called for. That is part what the problem is in this world, people get so caught up in emotion and issues that there is no respect for others. I’ve always been taught that people that can’t communicate in a respectable intelligent manner are truly the stupid and the ignorant. Whether you are agnostic, hindu, catholic, jewish, atheist, christian or what have you I still have respect for people and their beliefs. These truly are the last days and if any of you are believers, its time to really make peace with whomever you call your maker. Being here on earth is a temporary assignment, I am ready for my homecoming any day because I know where I am going!

The world is the way it is because people lack respect for one another. What I believe is MY belief, and I will express that to others. My Father wants me to know Him and make Him known I am fulfilling my duty to Him. I stand for something that is positive in my life, that keeps me going everyday. I don’t feel the need to bash someone for what they believe, or speak in a profane and disrespectful way. That is the true essence of the nonsense that you speak of. Furthermore, why are you putting forth irritation that is a negative trait because of MY belief? I can sit here and say the same thing that I am irritated because you don’t seem to believe in any type of a higher power, however, that energy I vest it in myself. It is asinine to say that religion is the cause of the world’s ills, religion is based on love of God, self, and fellow man. People are the reason why the world is what it is, because people aren’t living right. Its always easier to point fingers and say that its “this reason” or “that reason” things are because lack personal responsiblity. Well time for me to read my Bible.

Please!!

Living you life, and acting the way a book (of a story that never happen, written by men)told you to, isn’t that a lack of personal responsability!

You said that religion is base on love of god, self, AND OTHERS, please MOST OF THE WARS going on today are the cause of people having different faith!

I know the difference between right and wrong , not because a book told me so, but because i have common sense, what religious poeple apparently dont have.

sayonara.

@ Polau,

You sincerely make me laugh, lol I get a kick out of you. Laughter’s good all the time, and all the time laughter’s good!

To be quite candid If a preacher who preaches the word of god, and is true in his/her intentions to spread god love, his/her heart is filled with warmth and compassion to their congregation, never to take advantage of the people, but rather to give out of pocket to the people in their congregation or community that needs help.A true servant of the lord is humble and materialistic things are never on the agenda.A true servant of the lord wealth would be in bringing people back to the lord by accepting christ as their personal lord and savior. In conclusion this is what our heavenly father expects from all of his children (1) To love one another as we love ourself (2) to love him and serve him, and the way to love him and serve him goes back to (1).By following these two steps we will be on our way to happiness and heaven door.

@Latrice.

Nah doesn’t make me “more” of a Christian, so feel free to put any inferiority complexes you are struggling with to bed.

If you don’t want someone to CLARIFY situations as far as THEY are concerned then don’t go making broad assumptions about them. It only makes YOU look foolish.

But the Bible definitely tells you that your Baptism (based on your “hearing and believing” in the Word are the first steps to having salvation bestowed upon you by God).

..and what that does NOT make me is a gullible fool, ripe to be harvested by FALSE PROPHETS.

Give that a try someime. You’ll see clearer and feel better.

this debate belief and whether or not these pastors are gulity or not could go on forever and ever aman. people are going believe what they believe, assume what they want and think what they will. until there is any REAL proof given about any wrong doing, none of these comments (positive or negative) really matters. give it a rest…geeez! new topic please!

The only thing they’re investigating is rather or not there income is being reported to the IRS. I noticed a lot of gossip about there ministers are from people from the outside looking in. The bulk of the money these pastors and ministers recieve are from books, cd’s, videos etc. As being a witness for Bishop Eddie Long, & Creflo Dollar, I personally see how the ministers take care of there communities. Exp. Meals are not only given during Thanksgiving & Christmas, meals are given at all time. Programs are being offered for people in need of housing. Free classes are being offered for people to get there credit on track, and a host of other good things are being offered. To make a long story short. These ministers are not hurting us, we can only hurt ourselves. If we feel there doing other things with the money we give, don’t give at all. Personally I give to GOD and not the pastor. What ever the pastor decides to do after I’ve given what I’m supposed to give, that’s between the pastor & GOD. =)

money is not the root of evil…the LOVE of money is the root of all evil. i give my tithes and offering b/c i enjoy the a/c at the church in the hot texas summers. the running water, and the food etc…all that takes money. were some ministers get off track is buying into the percieved celebrity lifestyle. that’s why u have to trust and believe and study the word for urself….

WHY IS IT OKAY FOR EVERYONE ELSE TO LIVE LAVISH, BUT NOT “THE MAN OF GOD”? IF GOD OWNS EVERYTHING, WHY SHOULDN’T PASTORS AND LEADERS WHO WATCH FOR PEOPLES SOULS AND HELP TO TOUCH PPLS LIVES THROUGH GOD’S WORD HAVE THE BEST?? GOD BLESSES US TO MAKE US A BLESSING. AND YOU CANT SAY THAT PPLS LIVES HAVENT BEEN TOUCH AND BLESSED THROUGH THESE MINISTRIES. IF IN FACT THESE MINISTRIES ARE IN SOME TYPE OF WRONG DOING IT WOULDNT AFFECT ANY OF THE FOLLOWERS OR GIVERS BLESSING BECAUSE THEY GAVE TO GODS MINISTRY WITH THE RIGHT HEART, RIGHT? WHEN YOU DO YOUR PART GOD WILL BLESS YOU NO MATTER WHAT THE NEXT MAN DOES!!

YEAH THERE ARE CROOKED PREACHERS, BUT THERE ARE RIGHTEOUS ONES TOO!! SO IF PEOPLE WHO ARE LIVING FOUL AND CORRUPT CAN HAVE NICE THINGS WHY NOT PEOPLE WHO ARE LIVING HOLY. AND NOT ONLY ARE THE PASTORS BLESSED SO ARE THEIR MEMBERS – MILLIONAIRES, BUSINESS OWNERS, ETC

QUIT HATIN!!

Don not muzzle an ox that tread the corn. They that labor in the Word shall also be counted with double honor to be blessed by the fruit of their labor. 1 Tim 5:17, 18.

Look beyond the natural allegations and see the bigger spiritual picture. This request to see personal financial records is to cast doubt and smear not these individuals, but the real target is the church – The Body of Christ. See – 1 Corin 2:14

Millions upon millions of lives have been touched and changed by these individuals and the ministries they head up. How can you put a price on saving someone’s marriage, getting children and parents to have a loving relationship, challenge men to be men in their homes and community, put down the uninformative entertainment news and pick up a newspaper, a business magazine, hold financial and debt-freedom seminars, home-buying seminars, second chance checking clinics, health symposiums, overcoming depression, etc – How much is that worth? How much would a wife be willing to pay to have her husband come off of drugs or how much would a child pay to stop being molested? Don’t allow the media or some media hungry Senator to destroy your faith.

Anytime good is done – there will be some hateration. The Pharisees, Saducees and the Sandhedrins had a great disgust and openly hated Jesus, even though he was bringing hope, healing and good news to the people. Through God’s grace, Peter healed a man sitting in front of the Temple, and the haters came out against them.

What most people are not aware of is the number of individuals that that have been positively impacted by these ministries. Bishop Long has sent a host of students to school on his on dime. At one point 12 students simultaneously were going to college at his expense. Did you know that Bishop Long has personally purchased vehicles and hand-capped equipped vehicles for an untold number of families? He has personally paid off famlies debt and caught up mortgage payments to avoid foreclosures. You will never hear this on the nightly news.

How much have you given in your time or resources to help the poor, hospitals, elderly, helping a single mother get a child in college? With the same brush that you are judging these individuals and ministries with, judge yourself.

For all who have used the rational that this is why you do not go to church, then truth be told, you never planned on going anyway. Do you go to church to look at man or to have an encounter with The Holy God?

In Philippians 4:11, 12 – The Word says to be content whether abased (poverty) or abound (prosperity). So seeing that God has prospered them then let they be content in their abounding. They should not feel any condemnation for their abounding.

So let us be wise and have an understanding heart of discernment to understand the real purpose of these attacks. Don’t get upset over these smear tactics, especially seeing that you yourself personally have not provided any contribution to these ministries. Instead contact your Senator and Congressman and question them on the abuse and misuse of your tax dollars, which we see little to no return. If this is not the kettle speaking against the pot – . Now that’s hypocritical!!!

I pray that you all have a personal relationship with Jesus the Christ and mature beyond what you see and hear, and discern things by the Spirit of God; not the mind of man.

Have a great Day.

I dont understand why lately everyone is on ministers for how they are living, what they are driving, etc. These people have been living in these houses for years and NOW suddenly its a problem. Where is it written at in the bible where Christian have to be poor. It aint in there. I will never forget when Dion Sanders became a Christian. Some idiot asked him, well Mr. Sanders, now that you have accepted God into your life, are you going to give away your home and cars. He was like…why? He earned those things from his football career. Why would someone ask an stupid question like that? Simple. Because for some odd reason people in this world think that Christians are suppose to live beneath everyone. That is a lie straight from the pits of hell. The bible says that God owns the cattle on a thousand hills. Guess what? God owns the hill also. Whatever belongs to God belongs to His children. Is anyone asking any of these drug dealers about the money they are making selling death to people in their own neighborhoods? No. These are people who dont even go to Creflo’s church or any other church. So why do you care if they are stealing? It’s not your money. If his congregation does not have a problem with it…who are any of us to judge him? I just dont undrestand it. But then again I do. The enemy (devil) is attacking the body of Christ and he is using crazy folks to do his work. I will always blow his little scemes out of the water every chance I get. The bible says, upon this rock I shall build my church and the gates of hell WILL NOT prevail against it. The enemy is fighting a losing battle. Be very careful of how you judge men and women of God. If Creflo and the rest of them are doing something wrong trust me, God WILL handle it. He dont need any help from us.

One of six Christian ministries under investigation by a Senate committee is rebuffing inquiries into its spending, challenging the panel’s watchdog role over religious groups, The Associated Press has learned.

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A lawyer for preacher Creflo Dollar of World Changers Church International in suburban Atlanta has asked Sen. Charles Grassley to either refer the matter to the IRS or get a subpoena, according to a letter from Dollar’s attorney obtained Wednesday by the AP.

Grassley, the ranking member of the Senate Finance Committee, sent pointed questionnaires in early November to a half-dozen ministries, asking about salaries, perks, travel and oversight. The Iowa Republican set Thursday as the deadline for a response.

All six organizations preach a form of the “prosperity gospel,” the belief that God wants his faithful followers to reap material rewards.

Besides Dollar, several other televangelists have signaled concerns about invasions of privacy and violations of religious freedom. Only Joyce Meyer Ministries of Fenton, Mo., has provided the detailed financial and board oversight information sought by Grassley.

Dollar’s refusal could lead to a court fight, giving a judge the authority to decide whether the committee is entitled to all the information it requested.

Grassley emphasized the other five still have time. The senator also reiterated that his probe “has nothing to do with church doctrine” and is strictly concerned with making sure the tax-exempt groups are following the law.

Dollar has been the most vocal in his criticism of the probe. In the Nov. 27 letter obtained by the AP, Dollar attorney Marcus Owens wrote to Grassley and Sen. Max Baucus, the Finance Committee chairman, that the church is willing to comply with a “proper” request for information — but it should be handled by the IRS.

Owens, the former director of the IRS’s exempt organizations division, pointed to precedent: In the 1980s, a House subcommittee asked the IRS to review concerns about televangelists.

“A referral would permit Senator Grassley and the Senate Finance Committee to discharge their obligation to oversee federal tax administration without running the risk of government entanglement in the Church’s religious beliefs and practices,” the letter said.

An IRS review also would ensure privacy, Owens wrote. All IRS reviews are confidential, and Dollar has said he worries that a Senate probe might air sensitive information about salaries, among other things.

Failing a referral to the IRS, Owens requested that the committee seek subpoenas to “provide an appropriate legal context for the review.” With a subpoena, the church and its members could gain confidentiality protections.

Joyce Meyer Ministries expressed confidence last week that it would be found in “complete compliance” with financial regulations.

The organization also addressed one of the more salacious details in the letter from Grassley — its reported purchase of a $23,000 “commode with marble top.” The ministry said it was not a common toilet but a “a tall elegant chest of drawers,” and that the selling agent got the price wrong.

Aside from Dollar and Meyer, the other televangelists have been noncommittal in their public responses. But some have voiced strong objections that echo Dollar’s about privacy and religious freedom.

Bishop Eddie Long, who leads a megachurch and ministry in Lithonia, Ga., initially promised to “fully comply” with Grassley’s request. But a few days later, Long told his congregation the request was “unjust,” “intrusive,” and “an attack on our religious freedom and privacy rights.”

The others who received letters from Grassley are Randy and Paula White of Without Walls International Church and Paula White Ministries of Tampa, Fla.; Benny Hinn of World Healing Center Church Inc. and Benny Hinn Ministries of Grapevine, Texas; and Kenneth and Gloria Copeland of Kenneth Copeland Ministries of Newark, Texas.

Owens said in an e-mail to the AP that while each ministry is “separately responding as it sees fit,” lawyers for the ministries have been in touch and share common concerns about Grassley’s request.

The letter from Dollar’s attorney describes the prosperity gospel as a “deeply held religious belief” grounded in Scripture, and that the six churches are part of the “rich tapestry of religion in America” deserving of protection.

Some legal scholars believe the Senate is a proper forum to review religious nonprofit groups’ finances — although with caveats.

Congress has a legitimate interest in making sure nonprofit rules are followed because confidentiality rules make it hard to track IRS enforcement, said Marc Stern, general counsel of the American Jewish Congress, who advises religious groups on church-state issues.

“On the other hand, Congress is a very blunt instrument,” he said. “Congressional hearings are hardly models of due process and they can pick on anything they want for any reason they want and that raises real concern. So there’s this pull in both directions.”

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YOU PEOPLE NEED TO GO AND PREY. I GO TO HIS CHURCH AND THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A TIME THAT I’VE BEEN PRESSURED TO GIVE MONEY. CREFLO HAS TOLD PEOPLE DURING TIES IF YOU DON’T HAVE MONEY NOT TO BE ASHAMED AND TO RAISE YOU HAND AND HE HAS ASKED THE CONGRAGATION TO GIVE TO THAT PERSON IF THEY HAD. I WENT TO DR.FREMMANS CHURCH IN DC AND I WAS TURNED OFF. HE SPOKE LIKE YOU HAD TO GIVE THIS AMOUNT TO BE APART OF THE CHURCH AND THAT TURNED ME OFF FROM BIG CHURCHES. BUT SINCE MOVING TO ATL I HAVE BEEN PROVEN WRONG BOUT THE BIG CHURCH STEREOTYPE. SO IF YOU WANNA PAST JUDGEMENT ON HOW SUCCSSEFUL THIS MAN IS GO AHEAD. BUT IF T YOU HOLD ANY ILL CONTENT IN YOUR HEART HELL IS WAITING FOR YOU BECAUSE LITTLE DO YOU KNOW YOUR LIVING IN SIN. GO GOOGLE MARY KATHERINE BAXTER AND DOWNLOAD HER BOOK “REVELATION OF HELL”. ITS FREE IN PDF,WORD, AND MP3 FORMAT.

YOU MIGHT WANT TO THINK BOUT YOUR SOUL

Just stop Hating if they got it from breaking the law it would be ok. God wants his people to prosper and be in good health. Prosperty is more than a dollar sign.

Psalms 66:12, Deut. 8:18, psalms 37:7, 122:6, 1Cor 16:2, 3 John 2, Luke 19:14-27,Matthew 6:11, Matthew 27:35…Jesus was wealthy and had his personal treasurer, when He was crucified, the soldiers cast lots (dice) to see who would get his clothes because His clothes was soooo nice, can you wrap your brain around that? I suggest that you pick up your bible, dust the dust from it and read it. First Repent of slandering the names of these great men of God and for forsaking God Himself who is the Author and Finisher of our faith. I ask God to forgive you all because you no not what you do. Have a blessed day in Jesus.

God is able to do exceedingly abundantly above we could see, think, or imagine. the fact is we can Judge creflo a dollar for living the way he live it up to God to be the judge of that. most of the people who talk agains ministers being prosperous are sometimes mad because they are jealous that God actually blesses those who are faithful.. so if you want an abundant life as in money, Joy peace, health pursue a relationship with CHRIST and watch him work things out. Stop Judging and look at yourself… GOD BE PRAISED>>>> GOD BLESS Creflo A Dollar

God is able to do exceedingly abundantly above we could see, think, or imagine. the fact is we can’t judge Creflo Dollar for living the way he live it up to God to be the judge of that. most of the people who talk agains ministers being prosperous are sometimes mad because they are jealous that God actually blesses those who are faithful.. so if you want an abundant life as in money, Joy peace, health pursue a relationship with CHRIST and watch him work things out. Stop Judging and look at yourself… GOD BE PRAISED>>>> GOD BLESS Creflo A Dollar

People usually use the prosperous to pass off their own shortcomings. Its easy to say people have lied cheated and stole to get where they are so that we dont have the responsibility to be better ourselves. “I dont go to church because people are hypocrites.” is the dumbest excuse to not get next to God. You dont go to church for the people, you go for the relationship with God. So to everyone who hates Creflo or anyone like him, please let God weed them out and take yourself to a good bible based church. And if you like the way you live now, or not, believe me someone hates you too.

Oh and by the way… if a doctor can heal your body and make a 6 to 7 figure salary, how much more important is your soul than that to not want to see the healer of it (your soul) paid in full?? Youll pay a president of a country a big salary and give him perks, what a about the leader of your faith?? Teachers cry for more money everyday, how important is your spiritual education to you?? Just something to think about next time you dont want to pay your tithes. Also for the record, God doesnt judge action, he judges intent. So if you pay your tithes to a pastor, what he does with it is on him, not you. What IS on you is whether or not you DO pay your tithes.

Stop the madenss! And by that I mean those of you who are speculating. First of all I attend Pastor Dollar’s church(and I love it!)I have family members that attend Bishop E

Hello all! I did not come in to cause any confusion or ruffle anyones feathers, but do know that the truth will come to light with all preachers. You must remember that the devil comes as and angel of light. Just ask God for His Spirit to lead you into all truth because it does not stop with the your preacher. Just because a church gives to the community and feed the hungry doesn’t mean they should have a full blown story about it. THAT IS WHAT THE CHURCH IS SUPPOSED TO DO. Many churches are slowly but surely leading people down the wrong path. But so many are into their churches and pastors that they refuse to allow the Holy Spirit to let them know what may really going on. Do not always trust your natural eye or “your” spirit but allow the Holy Spirit to help you discern who is truly His and who is not. Trust me it will be shocking because it was for me. Thank you Jesus! Everyone have a blessed day in Jesus’ Name!

BROWNSHUGA .people need be careful about putting their mouth on GODS ANOINTED.TOUCH NOT MY ANOINTED DUE MY PROPHETS NO HARM,EVEN EVERY TOUNGE THAT CONFESS AGAINST THE THOUGH SHALT BE CONDEMNED.NO THE TRUTH IT WILL SET YOU FREE BEFORE YOU SPEAK ABOUT SOMETHING YOU HEARD IN THE TABLOIDS AFTER ALL THATS HOW THEY GET PAID AND YOU ARE SUPPORTING THEM AS WELL,WHETER YOU BUY THEIR STORIES BY MAGAZINES,OR LISTEN TO RADIO BROADCASTING OR LOOK AT EVEN THE NEWS YOUR SUPPORTING AND GIVING THEM RATINGS SOMEHOW OR ANOTHER,TRULY WITH ALL THE GETTING GET UNDERSTANDING THIS IS TO ALL OF YOU PHARISSES MOCKING THE WORD OF GOD TAKING AND CHANGING IT AROUND TO FIT YOUR 1 OR 2 BAD EXPERIENCES WITH CHURCH AND TRULY SOMEWAY SEEKING GOD FOR YOURSELVES.IF YOU THINK A CHURCH IS NOT DOING RIGHT SIMPLE AS THAT DO NOT ATTEND.BY JUST READING MOST OF THESE BLOGS I CAN TRULY TELL THAT OVER HALF OF YALL DONT GO TO CHURCH WELL MAYBE SOME OF YOU ON PROBALY EASTER OR NEW YEARS OR A FUNERAL.THE TIME YOU ARE TAKING WRITING ABOUT THESE BLESSED MEN OF GOD I BET THERE ARE CONTENT AND HAVE THE TRUE PEACE OF GOD AND YALL WOULD BE THERE LEAST WORRY.YOU ALL NEED TO FIND SOMETHING BETTER TO DO WITH YOUR TIME THAN COME AGAINST GOD PEOPLE.MOST OF YOU ARE HATERS YEAH I SAID IT HATERS OF THE WORD OF GOD AND PROBALY DO NOT EVEN REALIZE IT STOP,LETTING THE DEVIL USE YALL TO CRITIZING OTHERS….AND GET YOURSELVES TOGETHER BEFORE JUDGEMENT DAY SNEAK UP ON YOUUUUUUUUU….AFTER ALL WE ALL WILL HAVE TO ANSWER GOD FOR OUR OWN SELVES.

BROWNSHUGA .people need be careful about putting their mouth on GODS ANOINTED.TOUCH NOT MY ANOINTED DUE MY PROPHETS NO HARM,EVEN EVERY TOUNGE THAT CONFESS AGAINST THE THOUGH SHALT BE CONDEMNED.NO THE TRUTH IT WILL SET YOU FREE BEFORE YOU SPEAK ABOUT SOMETHING YOU HEARD IN THE TABLOIDS AFTER ALL THATS HOW THEY GET PAID AND YOU ARE SUPPORTING THEM AS WELL,WHETER YOU BUY THEIR STORIES BY MAGAZINES,OR LISTEN TO RADIO BROADCASTING OR LOOK AT EVEN THE NEWS YOUR SUPPORTING AND GIVING THEM RATINGS SOMEHOW OR ANOTHER,TRULY WITH ALL THE GETTING GET UNDERSTANDING THIS IS TO ALL OF YOU PHARISSES MOCKING THE WORD OF GOD TAKING AND CHANGING IT AROUND TO FIT YOUR 1 OR 2 BAD EXPERIENCES WITH CHURCH AND TRULY SOMEWAY SEEKING GOD FOR YOURSELVES.IF YOU THINK A CHURCH IS NOT DOING RIGHT SIMPLE AS THAT DO NOT ATTEND.BY JUST READING MOST OF THESE BLOGS I CAN TRULY TELL THAT OVER HALF OF YALL DONT GO TO CHURCH WELL MAYBE SOME OF YOU ON PROBALY EASTER OR NEW YEARS OR A FUNERAL.THE TIME YOU ARE TAKING WRITING ABOUT THESE BLESSED MEN OF GOD I BET THERE ARE CONTENT AND HAVE THE TRUE PEACE OF GOD AND YALL WOULD BE THERE LEAST WORRY.YOU ALL NEED TO FIND SOMETHING BETTER TO DO WITH YOUR TIME THAN COME AGAINST GOD PEOPLE.MOST OF YOU ARE HATERS YEAH I SAID IT HATERS OF THE WORD OF GOD AND PROBALY DO NOT EVEN REALIZE IT STOP,LETTING THE DEVIL USE YALL TO CRITIZE OTHERS….AND GET YOURSELVES TOGETHER BEFORE JUDGEMENT DAY SNEAK UP ON YOUUUUUUUUU….AFTER ALL WE ALL WILL HAVE TO ANSWER GOD FOR OUR OWN SELVES.

BROWNSHUGA .people need be careful about putting their mouth on GODS ANOINTED.TOUCH NOT MY ANOINTED DUE MY PROPHETS NO HARM,EVEN EVERY TOUNGE THAT CONFESS AGAINST THE THOUGH SHALT BE CONDEMNED.NO THE TRUTH IT WILL SET YOU FREE BEFORE YOU SPEAK ABOUT SOMETHING YOU HEARD IN THE TABLOIDS AFTER ALL THATS HOW THEY GET PAID AND YOU ARE SUPPORTING THEM AS WELL,WHETER YOU BUY THEIR STORIES BY MAGAZINES,OR LISTEN TO RADIO BROADCASTING OR LOOK AT EVEN THE NEWS YOUR SUPPORTING AND GIVING THEM RATINGS SOMEHOW OR ANOTHER,TRULY WITH ALL THE GETTING GET UNDERSTANDING THIS IS TO ALL OF YOU PHARISSES MOCKING THE WORD OF GOD TAKING AND CHANGING IT AROUND TO FIT YOUR 1 OR 2 BAD EXPERIENCES WITH CHURCH INSTEAD OF TRULY SEEKING GOD FOR YOURSELVES.IF YOU THINK A CHURCH IS NOT DOING RIGHT SIMPLE, AS THAT DO NOT ATTEND.BY JUST READING MOST OF THESE BLOGS I CAN TRULY TELL THAT OVER HALF OF YALL DONT GO TO CHURCH WELL MAYBE SOME OF YOU ON PROBALY EASTER OR NEW YEARS OR A FUNERAL.THE TIME YOU ARE TAKING WRITING ABOUT THESE BLESSED MEN OF GOD I BET THEY ARE CONTENT AND HAVE THE TRUE PEACE OF GOD AND YALL WOULD BE THERE LEAST WORRY.YOU ALL NEED TO FIND SOMETHING BETTER TO DO WITH YOUR TIME THAN COME AGAINST GOD PEOPLE.MOST OF YOU ARE HATERS YEAH I SAID IT HATERS OF THE WORD OF GOD AND PROBALY DO NOT EVEN REALIZE IT STOP,LETTING THE DEVIL USE YALL TO CRITIZE OTHERS….AND GET YOURSELVES TOGETHER BEFORE JUDGEMENT DAY SNEAK UP ON YOUUUUUUUUU….AFTER ALL WE ALL WILL HAVE TO ANSWER GOD FOR OUR OWN SELVES.

BROWNSHUGA .people need be careful about putting their mouth on GODS PEOPLE.TOUCH NOT MY ANOINTED DUE MY PROPHETS NO HARM,EVEN EVERY TOUNGE THAT CONFESS AGAINST THE THOUGH SHALT BE CONDEMNED.NO THE TRUTH IT WILL SET YOU FREE BEFORE YOU SPEAK ABOUT SOMETHING YOU HEARD IN THE TABLOIDS AFTER ALL THATS HOW THEY GET PAID AND YOU ARE SUPPORTING THEM AS WELL,WHETER YOU BUY THEIR STORIES BY MAGAZINES,OR LISTEN TO RADIO BROADCASTING OR LOOK AT EVEN THE NEWS YOUR SUPPORTING AND GIVING THEM RATINGS SOMEHOW OR ANOTHER,TRULY WITH ALL THE GETTING GET UNDERSTANDING THIS IS TO ALL OF YOU PHARISSES AND EVEN THE UNBELIEVERS MOCKING THE WORD OF GOD TAKING AND CHANGING IT AROUND TO FIT YOUR 1 OR 2 BAD EXPERIENCES WITH CHURCH INSTEAD OF TRULY SEEKING GOD FOR YOURSELVES.IF YOU THINK A CHURCH IS NOT DOING SOMETHING RIGHT SIMPLE, AS THAT DO NOT ATTEND THAT CHURCH THESE ARE NOT THE ONLY CHURCHES IN THE WORLD ALTHOUGH, YALL ACT LIKE THEY ARE.BY JUST READING MOST OF THESE BLOGS I CAN TRULY TELL THAT OVER HALF OF YALL DONT GO TO CHURCH WELL MAYBE SOME OF YOU DO ON PROBALY EASTER OR NEW YEARS OR A FUNERAL.THE TIME YOU ARE TAKING WRITING ABOUT THESE BLESSED MEN OF GOD I BET THEY ARE CONTENT AND HAVE THE TRUE PEACE OF GOD AND YALL WOULD BE THERE LEAST WORRY.YOU ALL NEED TO FIND SOMETHING BETTER TO DO WITH YOUR TIME THAN COME AGAINST GODS PEOPLE.MOST OF YOU ARE HATERS YEAH I SAID IT HATERS OF THE WORD OF GOD AND PROBALY DO NOT EVEN REALIZE IT STOP,LETTING THE DEVIL USE YALL TO CRITIZE OTHERS….AND GET YOURSELVES TOGETHER BEFORE JUDGEMENT DAY SNEAK UP ON YOUUUUUUUUU….AFTER ALL WE ALL WILL HAVE TO ANSWER GOD FOR OUR OWN SELVES.

Eshaneua inside of finding things to read or even share about Gods people. Go find Jesus yourself.

For those people that have not seen these men at work for Christ, please don’t insinuate. But yet again, they should be modest with what they have. Less take in, and more give out should be the remedy for this. Instead of a 10 bedroom mansion, why not a 5 bedroom house. Convertible Bentley? Why not a fixed up CTS on 20′s. Let’s be reasonable. By the way, I just saw CREFLO DOLLAR for the first time on T.V. For not going to church, he actually captivated me.

Men working in the secular can get so rich. I believe those working for the Almighty God should be richer. The poor will never cease form the Land. Let Men working for the Big God experience the riches of their Big God.

I hope all of you repent before judgement day. The bible says touch not my anointed and do my prophets no harm….. People will perish for the lack of knowledge.

I have a concern about majority of the comments. The comments about Bishop Eddie Long being a crook,i so not agree with. Not only is he a man of god but he is also my *FATHER*. He displays the same christian look at home as he does in the church. The bible says Above all I wish that you would prosper and be in good health EVEN as your *soul* prosper. You can’t fight my dad because he allows GOD’S glory to shine through his life and it’s drwaing souls. That’s what God required of us. Now if you people would stop judging and start living this world will be a better place. *Question of the story*;how many souls have you drawn to christ through your life??? (Let your light so shine before men that they may see your good works and gloryfy your father which is in Heaven)!!!!

We wouldn’t have to spend so much time & money helping them & building hospitals if we preached the word enough to them, because they then (like Christians were instructed to do) would be healed, walking on water, feeding 5,000 from 5 loaves, raising people from the dead, “performing miracles even greater than those” of Jesus, ect… So, even so, why do people believe a hurricane or a tsunami can drown them, thus killing them?

Isn’t your soul THE biggest business of all of your lives? HELLO?!!!

Jesus is the Good Shepherd; and he has risen, so we don’t have to look for one.

pls. Some of these pastors have billlionaires that go to their church and give them these things as gifts. Stop hating, aint nothing wrong been rich as christians. Get a life

Well first of all I’m a christian lady. So i don’t speak bad about anybody thats preaching the word even if they ain’t doing it right, by doing so you put a curse on yourself. But the church folk are suppose to take care of their pastors. I mean come on think about it? These preachers have like 30,000 members. People pay 10% of what they make for tithes….tithes is money to build of the kingdom of the lord (church and take care of the pastor and family). Like they have to live also. But how you think they have those huge churches? Tithes, offerings, and love offerings. Do the math people? You don’t know if these pastors help their members out or not. I’m sure some of them do though. My pastor gets tithes every month but hes always giving it back to others at church by helping them with gas, food, taking them out to dinner, or whatever. Its a small church though that will be bigger soon. Maybe big as those churches of Creflo, Eddie, TD Jakes and he will be living the same way. If ur a Christian you know that the church folks take care of the pastor and the pastor take care of the church folks. Hes suppose to look out for their souls. But i can’t judge what they are preaching about but aye.. leave them people alone. Specially if you have no idea about what tithes are and stuff. So let me do a lil math for you all. 30,000 members… they get paid every week about 300 bucks. Thats 30 bucks in tithes every week. Thats 120 a month. multiply that by 30,000 members gives you =360.000 dollars multiply by a year? 4,320,0000 = those churches probably cost 2million and etc.

All of you,most of you,are stuupid mongrels,don’t you know that as christians this is how we are meant to live,as kings and queens?!what you want hime to be poor?!he is a man of God and God blesses those that follow and believe in him…Fools,talking about ish you don’t know

hello,
i guess u are studying law,its true that bible makes richer but not the way u think. other could have painted the bible in other ways but the Bible is really God’s word that helps mankind in their helplessness. we all have sinned, and even tried to but may not be able to save ourselves that’s the reson God sent he precious son to help us out. the bible is a great book and the best quote in it is “Joh 3:16 “This is how much God loved the world: He gave his Son, his one and only Son. And this is why: so that no one need be destroyed; by believing in him, anyone can have a whole and lasting life” do you want this kind of life?

hilarious…now that’s the realist ish I heard all day….ha ha ha ha

Luke 9:58, Jesus replied, Foxes have holes and birds of the air have nests, but the Son of Man has no place to lay His head.

Malik Long, after your June 2010 comment, do you want to add anything to today’s comments your father made during the sermon?

Hi Lorna
The bible says people perish bcoz of a lack of knowledge. Ignorance is a killer disease. Read Joshua 1:8 and you will find that studying and meditating on Gods word will make your ways prosperous. bcoz you are ignorant in that area means you are still in darkness (no knowledge). 1 John 3:2 God wish for you to prosper and be in health as your soul prospers. Soul prosperity goes hand in hand with natural prosperity.