Barack Obama on the Gays: There’s a Problem of Homophobia Within Black Community
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Barack Obama on NBC’s Meet The Press this morning discussing his association with Donnie McClurkin and his stance on the gays:
I do not believe being gay or lesbian is a choice. And so I disagree with Reverend McClurkin..
There’s a problem of homophobia in the African-American community. I will go into churches, I will go into meetings with ministers and say, “I disagree with you on these issues. This is not how I interpret my faith.” But the fact that we’re having a conversation, I think, allows the possibly that I will change their minds, make them more tolerant of these issues. They may not agree with me on this, but ultimately, it allows me to bridge some of the cultural divisions that have, I think, prevented us from making progress in this country for so long
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WHY ARE THEY TRYING TO FORCE PEOPLE TO ACCEPT GAYS????????????
***** THAT,
THERE’S A PROBLEM BCUZ REAL AFRIKAN’S DONT PRACTICE HOMOSEXUALITY AND WE WANT TO KEEP IT THAT WAY.
THIS IS SUCH A SEX CRAVED WORLD AND HOPEFULLY ALL YOU HOMO’S AND PROMISCOUS SEX ADDICTS WILL EVENTUALLY DIE FROM SEXUALLY TRANSMITTED DISEASES THAT IS DESIGNED FOR ALL YOU “SEX PRISONERS”.
bossip what’s the beef between u & concrete loop; anytime blogs take other blogs off of their blogroll something is always up.
Donnie McClurkin is gay so who is he say hateful remarks towards his own community.
Just because you don’t cosign ‘a way of life’ or disagree with a certain lifestyle doesn’t mean that you are homophobic. If pastors cosigned ‘gay lifestyles’ they would be hypocrites because they wouldn’t be in agreement with God’s word which is the truth. I believe that Homosexuality is wrong does that make me homophopic NO. If my sister or brother turned gay would I still love them YES but would I agree with their lifestyle NO. If My mother decided today she was gonna spend the rest of her life robbing banks, would I still love her YES, but would I condone her lifestyle NO.
i think obama is wrong because Politicians should not go into the church to change their way of thinking. just because he dont stand for nothing dont mean *****ody should
some of you should read the bible and learn about the times that it was written in to better understand “The Word” and what it actually means. he who is with out sin shall cast the first stone. and no preacher or pastor is with out sin. i’ve gone to several churches that preach hate towards gays and lesbians, thats not in agreement with god. people always use god as a way to hate.
ihatedumbpeople, your name couldn’t be more appropriate!! Your comments are reflective of the ***** that you are. SMDH
Why is this even an issue in the black community? Only God has the power to judge. And what people do in their bedrooms is none of anyone’s business. The biggest *****s are in the church; the pulpit and the choir. And they got the nerve to wanna discriminate?! That’s why people don’t stan for the church anymore because its so full o control, manipulation and hypocrisy. Donnie McQueer need to go sit his hypocritical bi-polar gays ***** down somewhere….cause he full of natural born tang.
I gotta co-sign on what ??? stated.
Just b/c you agree with God’s word (which is true) and you recognize that homosexuality is a choice does not make you a homophobe!!!
I love my “boys” to death but they know that I don’t approve of the lifestyle and how I wish they would come out of it. But I don’t bash them,I pray for them.
I’m SMH at Senator Obama at least 3-4x a week at how he is the most water downed demo candidate on the block!!!!
He is chatting crap.
@ IHATEDUMBPEOPLE
“REAL AFRIKAN’S DONT PRACTICE HOMOSEXUALITY AND WE WANT TO KEEP IT THAT WAY.”
You’re kiddin’, right?
I hate dumb people.
http://www.theblackactor.com
@ coi, saying that homosexuality is a sin is not being hateful, because it clearly states:
1 corinthians 6:9
Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Do not be decieved. Neither fornicators, nor idolater, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor theives, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor exortioners, will inherit the Kingdom of God.
& if a pastor is spewing hate out of his mouth or being hateful he clearly isn’t preaching according to god’s word either.
Things happen because you let them happen. People do not get tempted over their control, meaning you can give in or not, its ur decision. Its in your control. Know your immunity towards temptation and you can improve on it.
ihatedumbpeople, i agree this is a sex crazed world.
Just Sit And Be Pretty
ihatedumbpeople, your name couldn’t be more appropriate!! Your comments are reflective of the ***** that you are. SMDH
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I co-sign with you completely. @ihatedumbpeople, I really do hope that you are not a Christian b/c Christ preached about acceptance and that we ALL fall short so who are you or anyone else to p***** a judgment on homosexuals like they are so much worse than you. Remember a sin is a sin and their homosexuality is no worse than your fornication, gluttony, cuss words, judgment, lies, or envy. Those without sin please cast the first stone.
I’m sorry Obama I do not agree with you. You just can’t go into someone church and tell them they should change their beliefs. And yes homosexuality is a choice. Just like going out and committing a crime is a choice. You don’t have to do it if you don’t want to.
Being gay is a gotdamm choice !!!!
We are ALL designed by almighty GOD whether you want to accept it or not……and I’m quite sure that he was’nt in heaven creating us to parti*****te in what was belched out of the bellly of Satan !!
The bible says:
“There is a way that seemeth right to a man but the end thereof are the ways of death”. We are All sinners saved by grace……Homosexuality and lesbians are an abomination to the LORD…..case and point !!
I have a motto for *****gits and lesbians….
“YOU GREW IT….YOU CHEW IT “
Just because you dont beleive in homosexuality and you think its a sin, doensnt mean that you have to treat people like *****….
coi
some of you should read the bible and learn about the times that it was written in to better understand “The Word” and what it actually means. he who is with out sin shall cast the first stone. and no preacher or pastor is with out sin. i’ve gone to several churches that preach hate towards gays and lesbians, thats not in agreement with god. people always use god as a way to hate
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And people use it as justification to their sins or discount them.
@MzGapeach
Thank you a black woman with some common sense and a good heart.
Just because you dont beleive in homosexuality and you think its a sin, doensnt mean that you have to treat people like *****….
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Just because you don’t cosign ‘a way of life’ or disagree with a certain lifestyle doesn’t mean that you are homophobic. If pastors cosigned ‘gay lifestyles’ they would be hypocrites because they wouldn’t be in agreement with God’s word which is the truth. I believe that Homosexuality is wrong does that make me homophopic NO. If my sister or brother turned gay would I still love them YES but would I agree with their lifestyle NO. If My mother decided today she was gonna spend the rest of her life robbing banks, would I still love her YES, but would I condone her lifestyle NO.
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Co-sign. I don’t believe in hate in ANY capacity, but I don’t have to agree with anything I believe is wrong.
Also…..
I couldn’t help but comment on your Concreteloop question.
Concreteloop was the first black gossip site I heard of and I used to spend HOURS on that site daily. I was addicted because all I had ever seen was white sites like Thesuperficial.com and Perezhiltion.com and they just didn’t do it for me.
But I was almost FORCED to stopped because I realized 1.) Angela is fat corny and bias as HELL.
2.) Tiana is an airhead and can’t spell for *****
3.) Brian couldn’t pick good music for *****!!!! His reviews are horrid!!!!
On top of all of that…it became Beyonceloop instead of concreteloop. But in that regard, they are just the same as any other black blog just using her popularity for hits. None of the black sites like her that much, but she DEFINATELY brings hits and hits = MONEY..
I think it may have to do with the fact that they are all under 25 and it definately reflects. So with all that I decided to come over to Bossip with all of their imperfections LOL!!! I don’t know how old their staff is but it suits me and most ex-concreteloopers just fine, although I wish they could learn to love my future husband 50 a little more but I just skip those posts lol!!!
I know you didn’t ask me for it, but I gave it anyway.
@RUN-FORREST-RUN !
In response to:
Being gay is a gotdamm choice !!!!
We are ALL designed by almighty GOD whether you want to accept it or not……and I’m quite sure that he was’nt in heaven creating us to parti*****te in what was belched out of the bellly of Satan !!
The bible says:
“There is a way that seemeth right to a man but the end thereof are the ways of death”. We are All sinners saved by grace……Homosexuality and lesbians are an abomination to the LORD…..case and point !!
Homosexuality is NOT A CHOICE. And your own words support what I’m saying.
1.”We are ALL designed by almighty GOD” exactly and everything God does is with purpose so why would God design something bad or wrong. I love that you emphasized ALL because that shows that
God created those people too just like every heterosexual.Secondly, God created the liars, adulters, fornicators,pedophiles, rapist, and people who engage in beastiatliy. Third, the Bible says that we ALL fall short of the glory of God.
well as of late concreteloop has went from rhiannaloop to kanyeloop & it gets so boring & redundant.
@La. Finest
I will *****ume that you are straight. Since you say homosexuality is a choice at what age did you consciously make the decision to be straight, how did you know what all that entailed, and how did you know?
Just out of curiosity what exactly did Donnie say about the gays?
I am highly impressed with Baracks statement! I have never heard a political leader that took such a risk in saying his true feelings. I totally agree with his statement. As a matter of fact, I wrote a book that has a chapter discussing this same topic. This is some good stuff.
The Individual, Calm Hill
http://www.calmhill.com
author of Walking in the Footsteps of God
Urban Moon Publishing
The church is the last place where a sinner should be condemned. The church is supposed to open its doors for EVERYONE to go and wash away their sins in the spirit of the word. There is too much judgement coming from mere mortals. There are far more sinners in the church than just homosexuals, so why is that the only group cast out of the church?? Whether or not homosexuality is innate or unnatural, it is prevalent. Hate and judgement wont rid the world of homosexuality and the church turning their backs on homosexuals is in it self another sin. The church has a responsiblity to reach out to people and welcome them to the altar to be saved and then teach them the word of God. It is up to that individual to live according to the word and in the end ONLY God can deal with that person for their sins. How are people expected to understand that our God is a God of forgiveness and acceptance when the one place where you would learn those virtues is the very place where you are being told you arent welcome? No one sin is greater or lesser than the other {except suicide}, there is no rank order- sin is sin. The sin of a homosexual is no greater or lesser than the sins of yours nor mine.
Barak took a very brave step by coming out publicly with his position. Most politicians, esp. on the campaign trail wont come out strongly on one side of an issue that is so widely controversial. That is risque considering he can sway voters away from him with this one stance. I think that he did so despite that says a lot about his character, he has integrity and is not persuaded on an issue by popularity.
@CubaLinda
You don’t speak often but you always speak truth.
please rise above what you’ve been told in church and look at how homophobia perpetuates hate and violence. understand the context of the (repeatedly revised) bible before you use it as the absolute truth for you rebuttal concerning the rights of human beings. [leviticus 18:22, the word abominable meant "idolatry" not what we commonly think of it today. it was the jews' way of separating themselves from the pagans who believed in fertility gods. so much more to this.]
whether you believe it’s a choice or not does not give you the moral or legal right to prevent EQUAL RIGHTS. think about how you’ve formed these beliefs. we are not born with the instinct to hate, we’re conditioned that way.
furthermore, the lifestyle is not about sex; it’s about being happy. if you think choosing to be gay equates to choosing to rob a bank, then you can see it’s a long way to progress.
peace to you people.
think!
Eccleciastes 7:20 says: For there is not one just man on earth who does good & does not sin.
I believe being gay or lesbian is a definite choice. I don’t believe in hatred against them, but I think Obama is trying to bandage a wound that needs surgery. He needs to understand that his presidency will not bring gays and homosexuals together with christians and should not try and force it by going to peoples churches and doing so. I doubt any pastor would let him come in a do that…its just wrong…and just because you dont agree with it or dont accept it doesn’t make you a homophobic…just means its something you choose not to get in to.
So you choose to be gay?! “Hmmm, I think I’m going to be gay from now on just so that I can be criticized, rediculed, attacked, and have my sex/private life be a controversial topic for the rest of my life.. Yippie!” Give me an effing break…. If they didn’t have genuine, true feelings of attraction to people of the same sex I don’t think someone in their right mind would CHOOSE to be gay… They can’t help who they’re attracted to and they shouldn’t shy away from acting on those feelings just so they can please you judgemental people and be unhappy for the rest of their lives.
I thank God every day for making me who I am. I love my family and friends. Who love me as well. I am a Professional 26 years old male, who knows right from wrong. I respect others even if they do not do the same for myself. I live everyday knowning that any of my actions will not hurt, harm or ruin anyone elses lives. I work for what I have and thank God for all of it. I am a respected individual in a Corp. world living in Chicago. I’ve made a name for myself and doing my part to build this Multi-Million dollar company I work, to head into the right direction. I feel really blessed and again Thank God everyday for the doors that opened for me. I know in my heart that I am a great person. And yes… I’M GAY. NO ONE can tell me I’m wrong for loving my Husband and Family as much as they love me. I never AND WILL EVER HIDE WHO I AM BECAUSE OF WHAT ANOTHER PERSON THINKS OF MY LIFESTYLE. GOD made me this way! And I THANK HIM EVERYDAY FOR THAT!
I dont look bad upon people who are Homophobes, or dont agree with Gays… God made you the way you are… who am I to say to you that YOU NEED TO EXCEPT ME. If you dont…. Ya dont. No skin off my back. No skin off yours.
Now if you dont mind, I would like to go back to watching the Bears game and finish my beer.
regardless of whether you think homosexuality is a choice, those who”choose” it are still fellow human beings and are worthy of the same respect, patience and non-judgment any heterosexual receives. we are all God’s children which means we are all loved and NONE of us, not even the ones that can quote a bible cover to cover, are in any position to p***** judgment or harbor hatred for another.
and to those of you who think being gay is a choice: if you’re heterosexual female, ask yourself whether you have ever had to make a conscious decision to be attracted to a male. and if you’re a hetero male, ask if you’ve ever had to make a conscious decision to be attracted to a female. think about that…
@Urban Living–first, I commend you for having the courage to be who you are. second, what’s going on with the bears game lol?
@UrbanLivin’
You better say that. Stay true to you. God bless.
@Birdy
I agree. When I first thought about this subject from a spiritual point of view I was like Jesus didn’t hang out the holy rollers. He was around thieves, sick, deformed, dead (and alive again), blind, homeless, dirty, tax collectors, etc. He accepted EVERYONE. I’m mean my God he knew Judas was setting him up to be killed and he still hugged him. Open your eyes people WHEN DID YOU CHOOSE TO BE HETEROSEXUAL?!??! I NEVER DID. I JUST AM. I NEVER MADE A THE DECISION TO BE I JUST AM. WHY IS IT SO HARD TO BELIEVE THAT HOMOSEXUALS JUST ARE. NOT A CHOICE. Like Birdy said who would want to live like that by choice? Being disowned by your family, harr*****ed constantly, and made to seem like a deviant is not what I call the American dream.
men don’t think of asking a woman to eat a another woman ***** drop of a dime but asking him to suck another man ***** then it become gay ***** *****.tired
I see what he is saying, at least talking about it will open people up to seeing how and why being gay should be accepted. But, how does he think he will change the minds in the church? There is a strong belief that being gay is committing sin, so how does he think he change minds this way lol? Maybe I dont get it…
Maybe I’m seeing what I want to see but I’ve never read or heard Obama say ANYTHING about changing the minds of the people in the church into thinking that homosexuality is wrong. We all know it’s wrong but the church condems it to be sooo much worse than anything else. An ex-prostitute, junkie, con, pedophile, etc can go to church but gays can’t?? He is just saying why should they be the target of so much hatred and violence instead of acceptance and love if you really are a “Christian”?
correction
*isn’t*
Well ‘And’ what church do you go to? God said there is no partialitity in sin meaning that a sin is a sin point blank. A liar and a idolater & a murderer & a homosexual are sinners. no sin is above the other & who said gays can’t go to church??? Only God knows a mans heart & not everyone in church is ‘righteous’ & just because you got to church every sunday does not mean that you are saved or will make it to heaven.
1. Barak Obama is wrong for the simple fact that the constitution of this land states that there is a seperation of CHURCH and STATE to avoid a Theocracy like we almost had in early America with the Pruitans and the Salem Whitch trials etc. So, for the simple fact that he is not upholding the constitution ALL READY (didn’t even get to the office yet) will make a lot of people like me skeptical about him running a BALANCED society!!! I don’t give a ***** about your PERSONAL views but will your personal views run the country? If so, go ***** yourself.
2. The simple and basic fact that a man and a man or a woman and a woman CANNOT reproduce and reproduction is a natural gift from GOD himself, tells me that GOD hs nothing to do with homosexuality. It’s just that simple.
What do you guys think? Don’t you think if God was okay with that plan, he would allow these people to have children? I’m not saying he doesn’t love Gays too but don’t you find it odd that 2 people of opposite sex that don’t even love or for that matter know each other can reproduce a child, but no matter HOW MUCH 2 people of the same sex love each other, or are nice people, or have lots of money and a good home to give a child, they will NEVER EVER be able to share a biological child together? And that is not MANS doing, that is GODS doing.
Things that make you go hmmmmmm….
He is just saying why should they be the target of so much hatred and violence instead of acceptance and love if you really are a “Christian”?
^^^ Yea but who exactly are you talking about. You can’t possibly be talking about all christians & certaintly not me. God calls us to be the exact opposite of hate. phillipians 2:1-4) If you have any encouragement from being united with christ, if any encouragement from his love, if any fellowship with the spirit, if any tenderness & comp*****ion then make my joy complete by having the same love & being like-minded. Do nothing out of selfish ambition or vein conceit, but in humility, consider others better than yourselves. Each of you should look not only to your own interests but also to the interests of others. So if the church you go to is saying “gays are not allowed” then the head of that church is obviously not acting in accordance with the word. 1 timothy 1:8) For we know that the law is good if one uses it lawfully. Knowing this the law is not made for a righteous person but for the lawless & insubodinate, for the ungodly & the sinners. A church who rejects homosexuals are not fulfilling the word of god because God wants the word to reach all sinners that they may come to the knowledge of the truth & seek deliverance.
And WHAT DOES HE MEAN Black people and churches are homophobic?
All of our band majors and choir directors are gay men LOL!!!
hey, how do we explain homosexuality in the animal kingdom? homosexuality is perfectly natural.
but i don’t agree with barack about homosexuality in the black community, as i think whites are as equally homophobic.
barack should also consider the fact that blacks don’t make the rules, such as ‘don’t ask don’t tell’ and the banning of gay marriage.
Everyone in this world is naturally a sinner & is born into sin but that’s not to say that a man can not turn from the error of his ways & gain salvation. & how do you explain those who claim to be Bi-sexual or those who decide from that day on that they want to experiment & from that day on “choose” that that’s the lifestyle they are going to live.
you must first be sexually attracted to the same sex before you can even proceed to ‘experiment’. so, the feelings of wanting to be with someone of the same sex is 100% natural.
i, like many girls who refuse to admit it, have experiented or thought of experimenting, but are with men.
i have experimented many times in college, but i have a boyfriend and identify as a heterosexual. so, sure i made the choice to experiment, but my thoughts were not a choice. i could have easily repressed my feelings forever, but that’s what ‘dl brothas’ and other ‘in the closet’ gays do.
frankly, that ‘choice’ argument is out-dated and quite ignorant if you ask me.
Many people interpret the Bible in different ways u can use the bible to justify many things…such as homophobia…most Christians are hypocites and i’m that as a Christian…homophobia, like rasicm is wrong…i’m glad Barack is standing up for all people
roberto,
don’t forget the slave masters had a verse to justify every single wrong action they committed against slaves.
maybe Obama is saying tha we need to be able to discuss homosexuality in our community without jumping to the conclusion that it’s a damnable sin. If we had OPEN AND HONEST converstation amongst our people maybe we can address the problem of black women having the highest rate of new AIDS cases in THE WORLD (NOT THE COUNTRY, BUT THE WORLD), maybe we can discuss the rise in “down low” men, maybe we can discuss the prevelance of “homo thugs”, maybe we can finally talk about child rape in the church. It may be a sin it may not be, it may be a lifestyle choice or maybe not, but i feel that our community has tried to put this topic on the back burner and look what it has done to us. Maybe it is time to start looking at this using BOTH sets of view points.
I HATE DUMB PEOPLE, I must be dumb too, because I agree with you. Who in the ***** is Barak to go in and tell PREACHERS to go against the word of GOD? He is one bold mother *****er if you ask me to do some ***** like that.
What does it matter whether or not homosexuality is a choice? and for those that say just because I do not agree with homosexuality does not make me homophobic, ummm..thats like saying just because I dont agree with interracial dating doesnt make me prejudice, bias or racist
Being gay is not a choice it is innate. I did not choose to be heterosexual, every since I was a little girl I knew that I liked boys. What the hell is so hard to understand Gay people go through the same thing? PEople there IS a great deal of homoophobia in the Black community especially in the south. This is the reason why White politicians are able to bring the gay issue out, get you to vote for them and then screw you in the end. Did we not learn from Bush re-election?
I think Barack is very intelligent and TRUE to his beliefs and values whether or not its popular. There are plenty of gay people that vote.
roberto,
don’t forget the slave masters had a verse to justify every single wrong action they committed against slaves.
True, but it is obvious that slave owners stretched their ***** beyond belief to prove their point. Their is no “streaching” when the Bible says a man shall not lay with another man or a woman with another woamn”. Cant get any clearer than that. Stop with all this relativism bull*****. The choice of being gay is way different than the birth rite of being black. God, TV and Liberalisim is *****ed.
@ oh F@ck that
YOu say there is a separation of church and state, I TOTALLY agree, so please tell your right-wing politicians to STOP trying to ban: ABORTION, GAY MARRIAGE, CONTRACEPTIVES..based on the argument that it is a sin..
thanks
@ Heahter
the bible also says that you should stone people to death for the sin of adultery, it also says that you should stone your children if they stray from the church….so I take it you ar perfetly OK with people murdering their children when they stop going to church? YES?
People should really stop quoting the Bible especially when they know damn well they don’t follow the “Word of God” pfft!
here we go
@ oh F@ck that
YOu say there is a separation of church and state, I TOTALLY agree, so please tell your right-wing politicians to STOP trying to ban: ABORTION, GAY MARRIAGE, CONTRACEPTIVES..based on the argument that it is a sin..
thanks
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I agree. Those aren’t decisions that people should be making for other people. I never said the government alwayz did things right, but there are guidlines in place to keep this country from being complete chaos and I think those laws and guidlines should be held up and respected. I think America had the right ideas in place when they wrote our constitution. Now they must uphold those laws.
It’s so funny that people state they should not be accepting of gays, due to the bible, but ignore the fact that the bible also condemns fornication.
So like, yeah, being gay is like fornicating according to the bible.
So I guess 90 percent of the world will be in hell. Have fun.
the same people who go to always talks about the word of god or the bible are the same people who are at clubs on the weekends…
heather,
religion is relative, hypocrite!
so, if i’m not christian, how dare you rub your ***** on me?
I think Obama has the right approach. People are always going to disagree over things- especially on a religious front. This isn’t about that. What he’s saying is disagreeing doesn’t mean the two groups can’t coexist and work together. I appreciate that he’s not warring against people who don’t approve of homosexuality the way other politicians do in order to get votes. I think the Christian church has an obligation as well to say the same thing, “We don’t agree but that doesn’t mean we have to hate each other.”
He’s still willing to listen to what Donnie has to say and that’s important. He’s not tirading against him or people who feel the same way and that’s important. No politician is going to feel Exactly the way i do about everything, but I’d rather elect someone who is willing to communicate anyway.
It’s so funny that people state they should not be accepting of gays, due to the bible, but ignore the fact that the bible also condemns fornication.
So like, yeah, being gay is like fornicating according to the bible.
So I guess 90 percent of the world will be in hell. Have fun.
No one is perfect nor is anyone above reproach.
these comments prove barack’s point.
Reading these comments, I have to shake my head. Obama’s got the right approach, especially in the Black community, but it’s going to be tough for him with this issue.
(devil’s advocate) We all agree that the difference between humans and animals is our ability to think and make choices right. Then why is homosexuality also practiced in the animal kingdom also? look it up.
First of all you are a sell-out Obama to the Creator of the world Yahweh Elohim….He states in Rev 21:8 there shall no W*****mongers, Sodomites, adominable, murderers enter in the kingdom and will be in the lake of fire. So I don’t care what you say just to get votes from the *****gots..The Torah states in the Book of Lev 18:22-27-Neither shall you lie with any mankind, as with womankind: it is a abomination. Now go chew on that! All *****gots need to repent from that hard demon that is inside them.. May you fall to Obama…Salvation to the House Of Judah the servants of Yah….www.thencci.com
I swear some people in here are complete idiots why would someone choose to be GAY??? There comes tons of hate and ridicule with that….like some people have stated have you ever choosin a women over a man or a man over a women or were you always attracted to a certain sex… trust me people dont choose to be gay and if gays are going to hell so are 92.9% of the population… *****ody is more better or special then the next person and I dont know why homosexuality is such a big issue…..but it is all because of the church bible that does not tell the original word of god because of all the people that got there chnce to put there word in over 1000’s of years.
@ Ariel
sounds a little radical there
Why does everybody have to be pro-gay. Fugg that shiz. Gay folx should not be givin special rights…just because they are fuggin the same sex. Obama just another politician who will continue to push the war effort and try to make us all accept the homosexual lifestyle.
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@ oh f@ck that
so you think allowing gay marriage is going to send the country in chaos? SO, the war in Iraq, povery, violence, crime, rape, pedophilia, lack of health care, prejudice in the justice system…etc…thats ALL good as long as Barack Obama doesnt try to get people to treat gays with some decency and respect?
Lets BE REAL! the church DOES not believe in separating their PRIVATE beliefs from FORCING it on the public. The church can condemn gay people to hell all they want, but when it comes to treating people in the world with human decency and MAKING sure they have EQUAL RIGHTS! please keep your PERSONAL religous beliefs out of it.
I believe in GOd, but I keep that to myself and do not use my belief in spirituality as a justification to spew hatred and intolerance for those that do not fit into my perception of the world. Sadly, MOST religious (or so called religious) people find it hard to do the same.
The Bible says A LOT OF THINGS, good luck following all of them
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ihatedumbpeople
WHY ARE THEY TRYING TO FORCE PEOPLE TO ACCEPT GAYS????????????
***** THAT,
THERE’S A PROBLEM BCUZ REAL AFRIKAN’S DONT PRACTICE HOMOSEXUALITY AND WE WANT TO KEEP IT THAT WAY.
THIS IS SUCH A SEX CRAVED WORLD AND HOPEFULLY ALL YOU HOMO’S AND PROMISCOUS SEX ADDICTS WILL EVENTUALLY DIE FROM SEXUALLY TRANSMITTED DISEASES THAT IS DESIGNED FOR ALL YOU “SEX PRISONERS”.
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i second that 100%
Why would babies be born with both sexes or too much of a certain thing, such as testes and ovaries? It does happen people. We are all sinners, no one is perfect,
As long as no one is being harmed in anyway, love can never be wrong. God is love. I had a gay cousin who on his death bed confessed to me that he was gay (the family had years earlier suspected him of being gay) but that did not stop us from loving him nor did we ever judge him. We cannot afford to hate on anyone of God’s children.
i dont hate gays, i just hate to ones who want everybody to know they are gay. them are the ones who should be put to sleep
DO YALL THINK GAYS SHOULD BE ALLOWED TO MARRY
@ coi, saying that homosexuality is a sin is not being hateful, because it clearly states:
1 corinthians 6:9
Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Do not be decieved. Neither fornicators, nor idolater, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor theives, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor exortioners, will inherit the Kingdom of God.
& if a pastor is spewing hate out of his mouth or being hateful he clearly isn’t preaching according to god’s word either.
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you don’t know what i heard when i was in church so who are you tell me scriptures from the bible. the pastor said “homosexuals should not be allowed basic human rights” is that hate? let’s not forget that it wasn’t that long ago that white people said the bible said being black was a sin and had scriptures to prove it…if anyone ever wondered why black men “choose” to be on the d.l. this post and the comments explain it all….there is so much hate and lack of tolerance in the black community it’s ridiculous…..most of what you all wrote is quite ignorant and disturbing….let he who is with out sin cast the first stone and remember a sin is a sin….so think about the “white lies” you tell, getting drunk, premarital sex and so on.
i’m too through….with the likes of you.
I’m just curious as to what Pastor Donnie had to say? Because as much as he claims to be “healed” you cannot tell me he is not doing the do with other men.
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@CubaLinda
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You are soooo right! I love reading her posts. Yours too!!! Lol!!!
As far as my opinion on Obama–
I think that was a v-e-r-y bold move right in the middle of Campaigning. How many others would’ve been willing to make a strong political statement? He said it in regards to a highly successful black man who happens to admit his “former”‘ homosexual past. Whew, Mr. Obama! Bold move, brother. Bold move!
I love a man with some backbone! It just makes me moist! Lol!!!!!!!
Being gay or lesbian is a choice. You put up wit it and allowed it to take over you. If ur so religious, u should be able to know how to or learn how to control things so u wont sin. i agree run-forest-run.
I am a little concerned about how Obama can address what he sees as bias perceptions within the black community while reluctant to address whether he sees any form of bias within other communities. Be fair, Mr. I am going to have to look at his past speeches and see if he has specifically pointed out issues he has with non-black communities.
I wonder if Obama has a serious view of the so-called problem with homophobia within the black community. It just occurred to me that there might be a identity-justice system crisis in play here that impacts a portion of the black community. I am only talking a portion here, so bare with me. Just think about how many from our neighborhoods find themselves doing serious time in prison, justified or not. Now remember that there are arguments of bias within the justice system where blacks are sentenced to much longer prison terms than are whites who commit similar crimes. Nonetheless, blacks are highly represented in that population, whatever the reason. The experience of prison, I would imagine based on the fables we are told, can eventually breakdown or at the very least seriously *****ault the basic identity of a man. Particularly when we *****ociate this attack on identity to the reports of rampant rapes within the system. Oftentimes, we hear, and occasionally witness the results prison experience have on the former inhabitants from the neighborhood once they are released. We may see changes in their behavior. We *****ociate our curiosities about their behavior with the accounts that trickle back to us at home about their prison stay. We look for signs of how they dealt with their terms. When they return to the neighborhood we look for signs that some have matured and given up on crime, got some type of education, lifted weights, gotten worse or was impacted by prison abuse in ways that cause sexuality changes. I think we all do this. What also results, I can imagine, is the ‘undercover’ brother thing women are talking about. Many of those brothers, I’m sure, are not too eager to talk about the abuse they may have experienced. I am sure that some may even develop complicated relations with the outside world upon release after an extended stay behind bars. Self-hatred, which by extension may lead to a hate of not necessarily homosexuals, but of what homosexuality means to them in the context of the prison experience, may also be a by-product of over-representation in the system. This attitude may have jumped over to the music industry or other modes in society that adopt similar views. What does it all mean? I admit that I am not an expert on the issue, but then again I am also not Obama making a campaign statement about blacks and their relation with homosexuals. What I am saying is that what he sees as black rejection of homosexuality may in fact, at least in some circles, may be an unconscious *****ociation to a call to not get trapped and stripped of your identity in the horrible way that an unfair justice system can administer. What he sees may actually be a derivative of the situation I just explained. Obama should be careful not to target blacks exclusively when he wants to talk about bias-related issues in America. If he wants to talk about those kinds of issues maybe he should give more thought to the bigger picture. Things may not necessarily be as they seem. If the prison rape abuse, and as such, the *****ault on male identity is real, and if the proportion of blacks in the prison system is truly higher than any other race, then my views may be valid. It would mean that blacks in prison are vulnerable to a serious identity crisis that we on the outside witness when they come home. This, of course must have some impact in how the community views homosexuality, but at the same time, may not be a direct hatred of homosexuals. Besides that, can Obama argue that the entire gay community has a positive relation with black America? If he cannot, then maybe he should move on to other issues to close the gap between himself and the good-for-nothing Clinton. I support Obama, but I will not allow him to step on us for votes.
In these last days it seems anybody is allowed to express their views freely except christians. The christian church doesn’t preach kill all gays it preaches love …the fact that christians cl*****ify homosexuality as wrong doesn’t mean they hate them….as a christians i pray that they’d all see the light at one point in their life…Barack needs to stop trying to win votes and be real…there’s no middle ground for christianity u’r either for or against it.
“he that is without sin cast the first stone” has been taken out of context for way too long. Stoning is an act of condemnation which no one has the authority to do. No one can definitively tell someone whether or not they are going to hell because we are not God and we don’t know the extent of his grace and mercy.
However we DO know that the wages of sin is death and that homosexuality is a sin. Homosexuality is no worse than many other sins as someone correctly pointed out, but the difference is in practice and pride. When a person openly sins and wears their sin as a badge, its easier to single them out as compared to other sins. As Christians, it is our job to judge, just not too condemn.
When the multitude was going to stone that woman Christ acknowledged that she was, in fact an active sinner, that is why he turned to her and said “Go, and sin no more.” He didnt say that to everyone else. So basically he agreed with the crowd concerning the sin, but disagreed with their condemning of her. THAT authority belongs to God.
Obama looks as if he likes to take it up the bootie hole.
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I’m sorry everytime I hear Obama speak or read something he say about the black community I always feel as though he’s tellin white ppl that if they vote him in office I’ll keep the black people on a leash for you…if he wants to attack any type of hatred, go down to Alabama or somethin and attack those KKK groups…they actually commit crimes against us…u attacking people about their opinions on a sexuality is not of importance right now unless ur attacking the ones that commit crimes to gay and lesbians….Geena I completely agree with you on the fact that it seems as though everyone can be open and free except christians.
def. not a choice..
@kdogg:
Excellent post! I think this sudden interest in on Obama’s stand on homosexuality is an attempt to divide potential supporters. Think about it. Here’s a man who MAY BE able to bring some truth, standards, and progress to those Black communities hurting. Oh, but no, we can’t support him because he has joined forces with one of those evil Christians, who happen to believe that homosexuality is wrong! (gasp). Come on! Gay people should NOT be beaten, killed, discriminated against, etc. But their communities aren’t rife with violence, absentee parenting, drugs, and overt discrimination. Yes, there a gay people in those communities, but comparing group to group, they are not facing the same magnitude of these issues.
When America stylizes itself after the machismo of the Black male (the wearing the baggy pants, fighting an injustice society and thinking of every single woman as a sex toy) and ignores the black gay man and the black lesbians, then so are the inequalities of those ignored. Just because men and women are gay doesn’t mean they deserve inhuman treatment. Have a heart.
@ Birdy
So you choose to be gay?! “Hmmm, I think I’m going to be gay from now on just so that I can be criticized, rediculed, attacked, and have my sex/private life be a controversial topic for the rest of my life.. Yippie!” Give me an effing break…. If they didn’t have genuine, true feelings of attraction to people of the same sex I don’t think someone in their right mind would CHOOSE to be gay… They can’t help who they’re attracted to and they shouldn’t shy away from acting on those feelings just so they can please you judgemental people and be unhappy for the rest of their lives.
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DISCLAIMER:Sun Goddess does not mean to apply that all black men fit into the descrition in my first post; I’m just saying Americans idolizes black men in almost every fashion and that fashion includes a homophobic attitude.
@letMeTellYa….get your facts straight no proper christian would actually condone beating and killing any1 because of their way of life…(that’s wat most people are confusing with the christian faith) what u’r talking about is what’s called homophobia
BLACK FOLK WAKE UP!!
Homosexuality has been around since the beginnin of time! Just because there wasn’t a name to it didn’t mean it wasn’t around.
The same ignorance which stated that AIDS/HIVS IS A WHITE MANS DISEASE IS THE SAME THING THAT HAS BEEN KILLING BLAKS AT MUCH HIGHER RATES THAN ANY OTHER GROUP WORLDWIDE!!!
JUST BECAUSE YOU IGNORE GAY DOESN’T MEAN IT WILL GO AWAY!!
Whether you accept it or not it’s here to stay. Even if you dont agree with it you should respect anybody that is gay. THATS THE EQUIVALENT OF SOMEONE NOT ACCEPTING YOU BECAUSE YOU ARE GAY.
AND DONT ACT LIKE YOU DONT HAVE GAYS IN YOUR FAMILY!!!
As for FAITH: WHAT PROPER “TEACHING” WOULD TELL YOU THAT SOMEONE THAT IS DIFFERENT FROM YOU IS WRONG?!
IS THAT BECAUSE IT’S WRITTEN BY MAN AND THROUGH HIS INTERPRETATION AND NOT THE TRUE WORD OF GOD??!!
APPARENTLY IGNORANCE WILL BE THE DEATH OF BLACKS IN THIS WORLD!?
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I’m different. I like to sleep with other peoples spouses. According to your reasoning, I’m not wrong.
I like to mess with underage children. Again according to your reasoning…I’m not wrong.
In fact, accordidng to your reasoning, *****ody is wrong as long as they claim that they are “born that way” or are just different.
Jeffrey Dahmer was different
Hitler, Saddam, David Koresh, and Pres Bush was/are all different.
Deviant behavior, whether it be a crime or a lifestyle is different by definition. Hence the word “deviant.” If you condone one deviant behavior, why not them all????
BTW, I am not an alduterer or a pedophile, I just used that foe emphasis. I have to explain myself before someone takes it out of context.
Why does the bible come into play when it comes to politics?
I don’t believe in the bible so I could give a ***** what 1 core whatever says.
@TJ u’r so right…why doesn’t any1 ever take other religions into consideration..why does it always have to be christianity??
@ihatedumbpeople, What about the many hetro’s that are in marriages and one on one relationships that contracts HIV or STD’s on the part of cheating partner do they deserve to die? remember HIV is a man made disease, most STD”s are a result of people practicing beastility. in case your dumb***** has not noticed we are all exposed to diseases because the minority ruling behind closed doors spends billions to engage in germ, chemical and biological warfare no where is this more prevalent than the continent of Afrika and also your dumb***** have never read or head of the Tuskegee experiment in which scores of black men were infected with STD to see its effect, the same thing continue today’s via your flu shots,HPV vaccine, even your vaccinations to go to schools can mutate in your body and lay your ***** out. I suggest you go do some research and see just what’s in those vaccines you and your children take to enter school. even your foods, clothes, toys, furniture, carpets the list goes on and on to just how exposed you are. why do you think so many black kids came down with asthma in the inner city? the government cheese and milk, cheese produces mucus in the body as well as milk, matter of fact do some research on white sugar and see just what it does to the body. you don’t have to be a sex addict or gay to be infected. your ***** is ignorant and suffers from arrested development, and for those quoting the bible remember its this same bible the slave master taught you that Yashua aka Jesus was pale with blond hair and blue eyes, when clearly it state skin like burnt bronze, eyes like flames, hair like lambswool, voice like deep rumbling water aka Barry White voice, when you go to the deepest recess of Afrika and meet brothers who’s blood was never tainted by the pale man recessive genes the whites of their eyes are like flames. its the same bible that tells you when someone slaps you to turn the other cheek and all manner of *****ery, the same bible that falsely say’s Yashua died on a cross at 30, the man lived to be 120 and was married and had a child/ren. do the research don’t put too much stock in the greatest story every sold. realize their were many, many ancient texts that predates the bible, start with coming forth by day book aka egyptian book of dead, dead sea scrolls, gilgamesh epics and many many more to open that 3rd eye. so again to ihatedumbpeople eman*****te yourself from mental slavery, shake off ***** lynch syndrome and pick up a damn book!!! I don’t cosign homosexuality but who in the hell am I to just one of the creators divine manifestations in all its many forms and facets. the laws of nature states 2 man or 2 women cannot procreate life now if the creators children decide to go contrary to that who are we to judge? they are still divine manifestations of the most high.
Who cares if people are gay?! I have gay friends, and don’t care about their lifestyle. *****, with all the tired-***** Black men out there, I am wondering if I should jump ship. At least I would have more options.
@GEENA
You say everyone is being open except Christians. I am a Christian and so are many other people on here and they are being open, honest and expressing their opinions vividly so what do you mean?
I think everyone needs to get in the know. If u don’t believe in the bible, then don’t say anything. All i know is u can’t ignore something in the bible because ur committing it, or u cant choose not to believe something in the bible, u might as well not belive the whole book. U cant pick, and it is tru homosexuality is a sin and it is stated in the book. It is a way of life that some people get into, which is not godly. So, can yall pls stop saying GOD is love as an excuse to say homosexuality is ok to GOD. That is more or less blasphemy. Yes He is love, that is why he can allow a murderer to live another day, that is why He can allow a prostitute to live another day, you know.
There are many other sins that people can talk about but this one is emphasised on because it is more or less a way of life that is contradictive to the way of GOD. Cheating is a sin, promiscuosity, fornication, stealing, lying, all that. I’ll advice yall to better urselves.
The bible is one of the most immoral and contradictory pieces of literature ever put together.
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@ Rotex..i do completely agree with what your saying. As soon as people want to do something they know is wrong they throw up their “God is love” p*****es…like that makes everything ok. You cannot pick and choose what works for you at this particular moment then find something else that works for you in the next.
That being said I am not anyone’s saint nor was I here on this earth to be “judge jury and executioner”. I dont believe in homosexuality but Im not here to judge. Im here on this earth to live MY life the right way and to p***** on goodness to others. I can simply tell you how i feel and what i know..but its up to you to live your life. At the end of the day the only person’s opinion that counts is the man up above.
“God created those people too just like every heterosexual”
Wrong ……You cant stop being Black, You cant choose who your parents are. But you can wake up any morning in any day of your life and say ” im not going to suck some dudes ***** or poke a dude like i would a women” and thats that …People choose to be gay they are not born gay
I don’t care how you want to put it If we can’t reproduce like we were designed to By God HE WILL TEAR THIS PLACE APART LIKE HE HAS BEFORE! Everyone should know that since Everyone here got the never to quote scripture. Right none of us here are perfect and kdogg said it the best on here when saying YOU WEAR YOU SIN LIKE ITS A BADGE in other terms YOU THINK THE ***** IS CUTE AND ITS NOT! just like if a person goes around curse all the time i mean every word that comes out of your mouth before long no one will want to go out with you or be around you cuz thats drama. When most gay people come around they act like they have to be outlandish with their sexuality. Ok you want to be gay or you are gay fine but why do you have to thow it in our faces so what makes you special from a outlandish hooker on the street? and then on top of it majority of the gays are acting like women and putting on make up etc. now someone on here stated that people are born that way and yadda yadda…..ok so you were born a man…..GOD made you that way……why are you trying to change it…….and another thing you fools need to stop comparing that ***** to being born BLACK. You sound stupid!Incase you didn’t know the WORLD can see that a baby doesn’t have control over their skin color ***** the baby don’t even know they black until ***** starts happening down the line or they look in the damn mirror but you guys are sayin you don’t have a choice. Skin, physical disfucntion, blindness etc. is something that in a since can not be helped. but even God healed the blind man, the woman with the issue of blood etc. Its about your heart and you really believing that HE can do ALL THINGS. A lot of these problems that are happening is God testing us to see if we will come to him and believe he can help change us because before any change can happen no matter what it is we are tryin to change WE HAVE TO MAKE UP IN OUR MINDS FIRST THAT WE WANT TO CHANGE. so you can stop with the silliness and drama *****ody hates you. *****ody is tryin kill gays and the majority of the black community is NOT HOMOPHOBIC they just see where the ***** is leading which another thing that is killing OUR CULTURE and *****ing me as a single woman the hell off. I don’t care how lesbian you think you wanna be or so called born with when it comes down to getting into an actual fight with a man YOU WILL GET YOUR ***** BEAT. And i am a woman saying this so seriously we need to be looking at this in a different aspect. I don’t what yall see when yall come out of your house but all i see Gays and hear men whining like b**ches!is UGLY and i’m going to tell you its all a spiritual situation. We are not fighting agains flesh and blood but against prin*****lities. We are fighting the spirit. Thats why homosexuality is a spirit, bad language is a spirit, w*****dem is a spirits. These are all strong holds that need to be cast down. And guess what? Things don’t change over night! you have to work at them if your really want them to change. You don’t ask God to change you, you ask HIM to give you strengthe to change.
For those of you that say it is a choice. I take it that you’re not gay so how would you know? I’ve know that I was gay since I was about 9 or 10. I had crushes one right after the other for girls. I crushed on all of my female teachers. Granted I DID NOT want to be this way. I prayed about it, I cried about, was suicidal about it. I allowed myself to be in an unhappy relationhsip with a male, hoping that I would be free of this. Guess what? It DOES not go away. It is inate. Those people that claim to be cured. LIARS! All of them. How can you change something in you that was there from the beginning? Don’t get it twisted, the girls in the club makin out with other girls cuz they think it will garner the attention of males, do not equal a person who is truly gay and dealing with the issues that confront them daily because of who they are. Why in the world would I choose a life of persecution? Maybe I’m just a glutton for punishment. No. I don’t bother a soul, I work, pay my taxes, and raise my child the best way that I know. I know God’s word and I know that I am one of HIS Children. I struggled with my life, not my choice, and I asked for God to take it away, what he gave me instead was the courage, wisdom and strenght to accept who I am. I LOVE HIM for that.
@ Oh ***** that
“2. The simple and basic fact that a man and a man or a woman and a woman CANNOT reproduce and reproduction is a natural gift from GOD himself, tells me that GOD hs nothing to do with homosexuality. It’s just that simple.”
So, what about the heterosexual couple that can’t have a child because the man is sterile, or the woman has a condition that pervents her from having children; does that mean that God has nothing to do with them too?
A lot of these comments reek of stupidity. No one should lose sleep over someone’s sex life. & how sexually repressed are you that you have to reduce an individual to their sexual preference? Mind your mother*****in business.
@Boredwitthis
I commend you. You have more courage and perserverance than some heterosexual people.
SomehoustonDude
“God created those people too just like every heterosexual”
Wrong ……You cant stop being Black, You cant choose who your parents are. But you can wake up any morning in any day of your life and say ” im not going to suck some dudes ***** or poke a dude like i would a women” and thats that …People choose to be gay they are not born gay
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I didn’t even post this but SomehoustonDude you got it all wrong. If you are going to quote someone address their quote. This rant you went on has nothing to do with the quote you called yourself attacking.
To AND…..thank you. I get so tired of people who holler ” it’s a choice”. It has to be the most played out and ridiculous statement EVER! It is more disheartning to me for the Black community to be so against gay people. After being discriminated against yourself, how dare you p***** on that same behavior to a minority smaller than yourselves?! Before you say, you can “choose” your sexuality but you can’t choose your race…..save it….as a gay woman..I’m not buying it. I didn’t choose my sexuality just like I didn’t choose my skin color. As much as you want it to be different, it is not. Nevertheless, to deny gay people the same rights as everyone else is just wrong! If that’s the case then stop taking my tax money, please. I could use it.
And oh yeah…for gay folks being gay is not about the sexual act it self. It is about the attraction that you have towards another person. I would never feel one romantic feeling for a guy. I’m only capable of that with women. When I think of marriage, kid’s and family and who I want that with. It is a woman. It’s not just about what happens in the bedroom. Why care so much about what other folks are doing in their bedroom anyways? For real.
A number of Christians (and I am a Christian as well) love to jump all over homosexuals as living a wrong way of life. But make sure you point out all ways of life that the bible speaks against, i.e. fornication, adultery, etc. I am amazed the number of people who are living with boyfriends/girlfriends but will JUMP ALL OVER the homsexual lifestyle as if that is the only thing God speaks against.
and guess what i get sick and tired of gay people always sayin they were born this way. if there is a such thing ALL YALL NOT BORN THAT WAY so my main point was SOME OF YALL NEED TO STOP DAMN LYIN and honestly I don’t care what people do with their lives but come on now you guys seriously EVERYBODY thats gay your telling me is born that way? i’m not gone front some things are questionable but the thing that is trippin everyone out is that all the gay people are talking about they were born this way and CHOOSE to accept that life style because thats what feels good to their FLESH just like a hooker is a hooker and those of us who fornicate do so because of OUR FLESH sexual spirits are the strongest spirits to fight and again the key word is YOU ASKED GOD TO CHANGE YOU, you didn’t ask to give you STRENGTH to change there is a difference. And being that you are HIS child and yes you are because he is merciful, Don’t you believe that he can change things? so just like some gays are sick and tired so are heteros tired of questioning the bible. And no i’m not gay bashing in any way i’m just stating my beliefs and i am in no way homophobic
and another thing what rights are you being denied? because if you black, at the end of the day your going to get treated the same any other black person gay or not honey. the bottom line will always be about color. What is it you want to get married? is that the rights we are talking about? what having kids? doing things a MAN and WOMAN was designed by your GOD THE FATHER OF CREATION to do? Ok then if thats the way you feel do it! don’t know body care since you say you are a child of God and thats what you believe then you should know that God binds mates and a wedding is just witnesses. If you feel and believe to your soul that you were born gay/lesbian and that got has sent you your mate to be able to all that hetero married couples do then you don’t need the approval of the government. Since love is all that matters then again you don’t need anyones approval just like hetero’s living in common law marriages. So basically you want the right to walk around sayin “THIS MY HUSBAND THIS MY WIFE” AS A gay couple? my point is why push the issue so hard? just do it if that what you want to do becuase like someone said before. God WILL judge you just like he will JUDGE all of us. its not what you do its how many sins you commit and dont repent for from you heart! if you doing something that Your father is telling you not to do you are going to try you best not to keep doing it becuase its wrong and you know its wrong. I see we have a lot of people on here that don’t seem to have a RELATIONSHIP with GOD
he’s right. but theres homophobia with all the races come on now!
Take your own advice and “Get the hell outta here”….I’m speaking from my own experience. I was born this way. Deal with it. How ridiculous do you sound? I want to get married so that I can walk around and say that I’m married?!? You’ve missed the mark but I’ll try to explain it to you. You are right about God touching a couples’ bond and that’s all that matters. Realistically tho, there are benefits *****ociated with being married to someone. Insurance benefits for example and the list goes on. Why push the issue so hard? Ever heard of principles? I have a right to everything any hetero couple out there has, if we’re being fair and leaving church and state separate. I never said that every person claiming to be gay was born that way. I don’t know if they were or not. I don’t care. I know that I was. If you can’t wrap your head around it then that’s not my problem. Because my beliefs don’t match yours exactly I don’t have a relationship with God? Comical! Since you’re his right hand man/girl tell him thank you for the strenght he gave me to deal with people like you.
By the way….as far as having kids….I’ll just adopt the ones not being taken care of by some heterosexuals that just don’t have the time. Thanks.
@GEENA:
Oh, I apologize. I was being very sarcastic. It’s just that many people think that when a Christian or someone claiming Christianity rejects homosexuality, according to the Bible, then those people are labeled “evil” and “cruel”. As I said earlier, yes, gay people have *****aults and discrimination but compared to many Black communities, they AREN’T facing the same magnitude of discrimination, crime, and absentee parenting (women and men) as Black folks do.
I’ve read through the comments. There are obvious differing opinions. And that’s what’s meant to happen. As crazy as it sounds, the “concern” over his *****ociation with McClurkin is right in line with those accusatins of his not being Black enough or not living the Black experience or about his mixed heritage; IT’S ALL ABOUT CREATING DIVISION SO THAT SOMEONE, WHO MIGHT ACTUALLY BE ABLE TO BRING CHANGE TO ISSUES FACING BLACK FOLKS, WON’T GET ENOUGH SUPPORT. It’s what’s done every political campaign; what makes people think that he’s exempt?
First off I am a PROUD CHRISTIAN who believes Homosexuality is a sin as well as fornication, lying, cheating, gluttney and the like!!! A sin is a sin.
For those who say the Bible has nothing to do with American Politics I must remind you that the our nation’s roots were founded on Biblical principles.
To all my gay people; christians are taught to HATE THE SIN & NOT THE SINNER! I am not hompohobic I just stand on the Word of God.
Gays do not experience the same oppression as Blacks, You can look at a black person and know that they are Black but you cannot look at a homosexual and say that they are gay.
Obama is selling his soul for votes and I hope he realizes that him being elected is not going to change God’s law.
But the Bible predicts homosexuality as being excepted in the last days as well as other events such as earthquakes in diverse places, famines, wars and rumors of war. So to all my christians the end is near our redemption is soon to come.
Heaven and Earth will p***** away but God’s Word will never p***** away!!
This is just why I hate most black breeders…..having babies oow, dressing all thuggy and *****ty, but always ready to put down gays and lesbians, and worst of all, hiding behind your LAME*****ED KKKRISTIANITY…..
And beantowm mami, you need to brush up on your history. The US WAS and IS about separation of church and state. What the ***** is in your crackpipe.
Boredwitthis
Take your own advice and “Get the hell outta here”….I’m speaking from my own experience. I was born this way. Deal with it. How ridiculous do you sound? I want to get married so that I can walk around and say that I’m married?!? You’ve missed the mark but I’ll try to explain it to you. You are right about God touching a couples’ bond and that’s all that matters. Realistically tho, there are benefits *****ociated with being married to someone. Insurance benefits for example and the list goes on. Why push the issue so hard? Ever heard of principles? I have a right to everything any hetero couple out there has, if we’re being fair and leaving church and state separate. I never said that every person claiming to be gay was born that way. I don’t know if they were or not. I don’t care. I know that I was. If you can’t wrap your head around it then that’s not my problem. Because my beliefs don’t match yours exactly I don’t have a relationship with God? Comical! Since you’re his right hand man/girl tell him thank you for the strenght he gave me to deal with people like you.
Nov 12, 2007 – 6:42 pm Boredwitthis
By the way….as far as having kids….I’ll just adopt the ones not being taken care of by some heterosexuals that just don’t have the time. Thanks.
you a selfish individual, if you chose to live a certain liftstyle, you shouldnt be upset when you dont get certain benefits. Why would you want to have kids, you cant make them with your partner. why would you want to impose your lifestyle on a individual, then they will not know any better. I have no problem with gays, but certain ***** you just not intitled to. If i decided i want to be with my dog, i can be upset if i cant put life insurance and get benefits on some ***** i chose to do.
Christian are the most judgmental idiots ever!
So Jimmyjones…becuz I’m gay I’m incapable of raising a child. LOL. It just keep getting better. Ignorance is bliss so you should be in a state of uphoria.
lmao @ prettygirl for real… I couldn’t agree more.. I can’t stand most Christians that I come into contact with… such judgemental, hypocrtical, self-righteous *****holes… always telling you how to live your life, what to do to “get closer with the Lord” oh ***** off
excuse my French you guys…
I agree Birdy.
I find it so funny they come on a gossip site preaching “the word”. I ask all the “christians” is gossiping holy. Or did you only come to a gossip site to save the sinners from themselves.
OH PLEASE!!!!
The bible says sex before marriage is a sin. And I know that in this day in age, no one waits till after marriage to have sex including the folks in here preaching the so called good word.
And I strongly believe no “straight” person, bible, or science can determine that being gay is a choice. You have never experienced the feelings a gay person has for the same sex unless your gay.
I love God and I have my own personal relationship with him.
But I dont live by the Bible. The Bible has so many contradicting things in it its not even funny. I could talk about the unjust that is in the Bible. I cant believe some of you find it hard to believe that a book that has been around for centuries hasnt been changed to fit a certain way of thinking. Man made the Bible.
God stands for love of people.
^^^^^God stands for love of ALL people. (typo)
no you not incapable but why. you and your partner cannot have kids and you understand and accept that, so why try to manulipate the situation where you can. i just feel you are selfish because you chose to live a liftstyle but you want something that your lifestyle doesnt permit, KIDS. kids should be no more confused than they are and putting them in a confusion situation doesnt benefit the kid, but it benefits you because you want kids.
selfish: seeking or concentrating on one’s own advantage, pleasure
To everyone who commented on this post (specifically La’s Finest):
First and foremost: who is anyone to comment on what is a choice or not? Honestly why would someone choose a lifestyle that is clearly (as represented by some of the bigoted and vapid comments that have been posted) deemed immoral, sinful and disease-infested, promiscuous, etc. The Christian lifestyle teaches that homosexuality is immoral and sinful and therefore one who indulges in said behavior is a “sinner”
Why would someone want to be the constant object of jokes for mainsteam society, a m*****ive target for discrimination and hate crimes and to live a lifetime of knowing that you are hated and lead a sinful lifestyle for the rest of your life? Trust me if homosexulity were a choice I doubt many people would choose it as a lifestyle….why would someone choose to be discrimanated against, ostracized and denied benefits that are basic rights for all humans
Second, if homosexuals, drunkards, sodomites, thieves, etc. were not “children of god” and will not inherit the kingdom of god and are an abomination to the lord why do they exist at all? One could say the same for adulterers, drunkards, the covetous, theives, liars, etc..if they are all abominations then are they a part of the world (as they always have been and always will be)?
Third: It’s not like a guy just wakes up and says hmm, i’m tired of vagina, i think i will try ***** today..it’s just doesn’t happen that way..why would someone knowingly and consciously choose a lifestyle that society will slander, ostracize and criticize them for?
Fourth: as for the children of a smae-sex relationship being confused who is to say that the child in a “normal” heterosexual relationhip isn’t just as confused?
What of the child whose parents have an open marriage( and see various others outside of the marriage)?
What of the child of an abusive parent or the child whose parent is a substance abuser?
What of the child whose parents are divorced/seperated?
What of the child who has a single parent and has never known any idea of how a true nurturing, supportive relationship is supposed to work?
DAMNIT I”M NOT DONE…AND>>………………….I support Obama in trying to dispell the ignorant, prolonged melee of homophobia that is prevalent evrywhere yet is UNBEARABLY commonplace in America, especially Black America…..Not Blacks, nor African-Americans, but *****S feel (or perhaps have been socially trained by modern-day movies, television and music) that anything that goes against this uber-alpha-male(this weed smoking, liquor drinking, gun-toting, basketball/video game playing… undereducated, post-Scarface machismo-testosterone filled…deadbeat dad consistently abandoning black mothers an thier own children) is considered “soft” or “not a real man”…NOT SO
Black men come in all shapes, sizes, creeds, and backgrounds
AAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNNNNNNNDDDDDDDDDDD
I don’t know what kind of gays some of you are used to but not all gay people are outlandish, flamboyant, promiscuous and over-bearing…I have several in my family that you wouldnt even know where gay even after knowing them for years!!!! They are young black men and women, they work they go to college they are socially active they are trying to uplift the black community not tear it down based on what goes on inside someone else’s bedroom
ONLY GOD CAN JUDGE, ISN”T THAT IN THE BIBLE AS WELL?
I thought so
I think the issue here is as much about how OBAMA RELATES TO THE BLACK COMMUNITY as it is about
the issues of sexuality.
all gays should be castrated and sent to their own island
I KNOW ALOT OF YOU DONT BELIEVE IN THE BIBLE, BUT IT SAYS IN THE LAST DAYS HOMOSEXUALITY WOULD BECOME WIDELY ACCEPTED, AND I BE DAMN IF THIS IS NOT COMMING TRUE.
In general religion sucks and all those who practice it are morons.
It’s exactly this religion that creates hate and division between the peoples who must share the earth.
Give it up now, look at each other closely, and learn to love your fellow humans.
to boredwitthis…you really need to come down the stupidity i was ASKING A QUESTION what is it that your not getting that everyone else is? And further more you sound like an idiot telling me to take my own advice of my title when I was asking the question in GENERAL to all on here who may be gay I WANTED TO KNOW! But you just proved one of my damn points YOUR SO DAMN DEFENSIVE and DRAMATIC stop it and honey I’m glad God gave you strength too deal with whatever you have to deal with but HE don’t give you strength to deal with me cuz you don’t even know me and really if your so stable and tight with who you are, what i say shouldn’t matter to you. Second, I never once said BECAUSE YOU ARE GAY YOU DON’T HAVE A RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD once again I ASKED A QUESTION stop being damn FOOL!I spoke from my point of view and what I see everyday THATS WHY I ASKED THE QUESTIONS OF WHAT IT WAS THAT YOU GUYS ARE SAYING ISN’T FARE. I don’t here those issues all i see is a bunch of gay people walking around acting A DAMN FOOL AND BEING EXTRA DRAMATIC. once again lets get it straight this is a debate I’m not bashing anyone I care about all people. If any human being is laying out in the street heart bleeding whatever and i’m around TRUST ME I WILL BE THE FIRST PERSON THERE TRYING TO HELP THAT PERSON. So you really need to stop being so damn person about stuff and ready to jump to conclusion and get all hot and mad and ***** cuz if you are who you are and you cool with that THEN DO YOU and i think i said that in my message as well. oh and another thing I DID NOT SAY THAT YOU SAID EVERY GAY PERSON WAS BORN THAT WAY!!!!!!! i’m telling you why a lot of people may not believe that *****!!!!READ
PRETTY GIRL you sound like a fool everyone is judgmental. People that say they are not are LYING and on top of that YOUR BEING JUDGMENTAL RIGHT NOW TOWARDS CHRISTIANS. All christians are not judgmental!Why are people making this a war and getting upset because people don’t agree with gay/lesbian tactis or whatever. just because i don’t agree with it doesn’t mean i’m going to treat someone like crap hell my cusin is gay! IT doesnt’ mean i’m going to stop talking to or laughin with or having fun with anyone that’s gay just becuase i don’t agree with it
jimmy jones….you are so right in a sense that is selfish don’t you think kids will be confused when they grow up? I’m not saying you shouldn’t want kids but are you thinking about how that child will think about the situation when they are old enough to put things together and go thru hell with other kids teasing them or whatever kids do? AGAIN I AM NOT ATTACKING YOU! I’m asking a question. I mean can you see how it just looks as though you just trying to prove a point that you should be able to have kids and be in a same sex relationship?
ok so your born that way and you would not CHOOSE to be joked about etc. and choose to deal with pain that goes along with it. SO WHY WOULD YOU WANT HAVE A CHILD GO THROUGH THAT!!!!!!!WHY!!!THATS WHAT LOOKS TO BE SO DAMN SELFISH MAN COME ON!!!UNDERSTAND OTHER PEOPLES POINT OF VIEW!!!!
Well, maybe I’m having such a difficult time of understanding you because of all of those damn run-on sentences you use. Anywho, I’m not mad at all “Honey”. You’re right. I don’t know you (don’t want to), so you trying to get under my skin is futile if not utterly ridiculous. I’m actually laughing quite a bit at you. Thanks for the hilarity. If you think that gay people are treated fairly then so be it. You’re entitled to your opinion. I tried to expalin to you what I meant by gays wanting fair treatment as far as marriage is concerned but you don’t get it. You don’t want to get it. You telling me how gracious you are to everyone in need falls on deaf ears because the stupidity you exhibit on this subject leads me to believe otherwise. Hmmm….it’s selfish of me to want to raise kids that are stuck in foster homes parentless, and in need of loving care. Ok…whatever you say. You have all the answers. You’re such a great christian!
I’m not worthy. I’m not worthy. Give me just a small break. Somebody once told me that trying to reason with a crazy person makes you even crazier so I’ll leave you to your discriminatory beliefs. Have a wonderful day!
Homo-PHOBIA is the wrong word for it.
“Phobia” indicates fear. I have no fear of homosexuals. I just think its unnatural and disgusting.
I mean really… men, sticking their *****s in another man’s azz?? Ewwwww.
@coi…
I dont know what churches you’ve been going to.
Any church I’ve ever been on that spoke on the topic teaches to hate the sin, not the person.
Even nature itself shows you that males are supposed to be with females and vice versa. You’ll never get me to accept deviant sexual behavior as being normal.
get the Hell Outta…yeah get a life. Don’t have anything better to do that sit on the Bossip blog?
I don’t hate or judge, but the Bible talks plainly about Homosexuality. I just choose not to be around it, not to be forced to accept gay marriages and all that non-sense as normal. I’m not homophobic at all, just b/c I don’t approve of that lifestyle. What you do behind close doors is one thing, but you can’t pick and choose what part of the Bible you believe, if you are a believer that is.If you are a true beliver the Bible is the undisputable truth. I would rather live my life as a Believer and be wrong than to live as a sinner and find out the Bible and God’s word were the absolute truth when it’s too late.
Yes, we all have sinned, but I firmly believe that you can’t sin allday everyday(living as a homosexual is a sin) and then on Sunday say i’m sorry. I’d say the same thing if you were stealing all the time and then saying i’m sorry when the police bust you or you go to church hollerin about forgive me every other week. That’my humble opinion, but I will say as a citizen of the USA who has worked all over the world,I am proud to say you do live in a country where we are all free to be and do what we want.. I just hope you choose the right one baby.lol Later my peoples
this is complete bullshyt! i’m so sick of christianity being the ’standard of truth’ in the black community and this nation. this country was not founded on christianity or christian values. there is absolutely nothing wrong homosexuality or bisexuality. how are 2 men or 2 women in a relationship hurting any of you? the only thing it hurts is your perception of what’s “normal” which is a false idea painted by the religious right in this country and mainstream media!!
how about studying what christianity really advocates/supports. which would be slavery, rape, discrimination, greed, misogyny(hatred for women for you slow people), HOMOPHOBIA, etc.
…damn you people are so f*cking stupid…..
If black Americans could only realize how KKKhristianity has *****ed us up…..keep on believing in your fake white Jesus, go right ahead. I will sit here and laugh at your stooopid *****es.
THIS IS TO “IHATEDUMBPEOPLE”YOU ARE A NAIVE ***** IF YOU THINK FOR A SECOND THAT BECAUSE YOU ARE AN AFRICAN,OR WHOEVER IS (ALTHOUGH THE PLANETS PEOPLE HAVE AT LEAST SOME AFRICAN BLOOD IN THEM) ARE NOT ALSO PRACTICING HOMOSEXUALISM—AND TO WISH DEATH ON ANY IS *****ED UP—I HOPE SOMEBODY RAMS A 10INCHER IN YOUR ***** FOR JUST SAYING SOME DUMB***** ***** LIKE THAT.YOU ARE NOT IMMUNED FROM THE WORLDS ILLS,*****HOLE-I BET YOU ARE NOT IN AFRICA RIGHT NOW–IF YOU FEEL SOME KINDA WAY ABOUT AFRICAN AMERICANS–TAKE YOUR BLACK ***** BACK–I AM A VERY BLACK MAN,PROUD OF IT.RESPECT IT.
After reading this lengthy post, I am nothing short of tear filled eyes. As a homosexual woman it saddens my heart at the things people say towards us HUMANS. To hope that we die of sexually transmitted diseases??? that is pure hatred. While I understand both homophobes (you fear the unknown) and people who just don’t agree, again NO 1 is without sin. There is not 1 person on this site that is perfect and a sin is a sin is a sin. Your fornicating before marriage is the same as a murder as a pedophile and as a thief. It confuses me when these things take a backseat to homosexuality. We(homosexuals) do not pose a threat to society because ultimaltely we are helping society.
Now before you blow up and say “How in the hell so?”. It was posted on here that God made a man and a woman able to reproduce…TRUE…but maybe and this may be far fetched, maybe God made homosexuals to provide a home for those children neglected by that man and woman, or that abused child-reproduced between man or woman, or the girl who gave up her child because her boyfriend wanted nothing to do with her or she herself could not take care of the child. Just because we cannot have children who share the genes of our partner doesn’t mean that we cannot provide the best family for someone else child. I dream of both having my own child as well as adopting children. Choice? I honestly can say from being a small child that I remember liking girls and even if that wasn’t the case, like previously stated…why in the hell would I want to “choose” a lifestyle in which basic rights (being considered a visitor and not a close family memeber to a sick partner, not being able to marry, not being able to serve my country AND openly love my partner, and even being the MAIN topic of most politic debates and F’ed up society). Regardless if its a choice or not, that doesn’t give anyone the right to judge, hate, or take away rights of another human being.