LAPD’s Case Too Weak: Chris Brown’s Court Date Likely Delayed

Posted on February 26th, 2009 - By Bossip Staff

Categories: News, One-Time

Posted by Bossip Staff

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Apparently, the DA of the LAPD feels the evidence they have against Chris Brown isn’t enough to get a conviction, so they’re likely to push his court date back to buy time to scrounge up some more:

CHRIS BROWN’s day in court over his alleged fight with girlfriend RIHANNA could be postponed while police gather more evidence, according to the Los Angeles district attorney.

The Kiss, Kiss hitmaker was arrested and charged following an alleged attack on the Umbrella hitmaker after a pre-Grammys party on 8 February (09).

Brown was freed on bail following the incident and is facing charges of making criminal threats. He is due in court in L.A. on 5 March (09) for an arraignment hearing.

But that date may have to be pushed back, while cops strengthen their case against the star. A statement from Los Angeles district attorney spokeswoman Jane Robison reads, “We don’t have the evidence yet. (Los Angeles police detectives) are still investigating. If (detectives) determine they need more time they’ll set a new date for him (Brown) to come into court. “He only has to come back if and when we file charges.”

Rihanna was thought to have fled to her native Barbados to avoid press attention following the alleged attack – but it has now been revealed that the singer has been enjoying a sunshine break in a private beachside villa in Punta Mita, Mexico, according to the New York Daily News.

Y’all better understand what time it is when it comes to the legal system.  If they can’t prove it, they don’t bother with it.

TI also re-commented on the situation:

“I’ve been blessed and fortunate enough to spend time around them and Rihanna is outstanding. She’s the sweetest girl…Chris, he’s a great guy…I can’t speak on the event that took place.

“I don’t know the details…It’s not my business, but I know through all adversity comes strength and everyone goes through things for a reason. I want to see them both rise above it, move beyond it and get back to being great,” T.I. told Extra.

He added that he “made an attempt to contact Rihanna, but understandably, she’s not able to be reached.”

Well said, TI.  Very well said.

More pics of said accused and ex couple below.

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Source 1, Source 2

  • http://thumbsnap.com/v/hJSxpF6W.jpg mz.cee ♥

    Nice shades! Tada….

  • http://thumbsnap.com/v/hJSxpF6W.jpg mz.cee ♥

    Thinking of it… they sho was a cute puppy loving couple tho…

  • NYC Gal

    I don’t even think this case may see a court date!

  • Joline

    Online dating is really nice. My lover is found online at the millionaire & celebrity dating club ____MillionaireLoving. C O M____last year.

  • Whatev!

    top ten :)

  • Chelly

    I’m so tired of Chriannagate….

  • NYC Gal

    Bossip, how about showing those new pics of Ri Ri in Mexico?

  • reese615

    @ NYC Gal

    Bossip, how about showing those new pics of Ri Ri in Mexico?
    _________________________________

    Gimme a sec, baby. They’re coming in the next 10 minutes…

  • http://dicooper.spaces.live.com/ DICooper

    Of course the case is weak when you don’t have the testimony of all the individuals involved. I don’t think that they had enough for the felony, anyway.

  • Mrs. Rance

    So much for that. Let the boy do his anger management and get on with his career.

  • Pop & Lock

    hahaha…my daily dose of bullshit. Obviously, her shit is floating to the top.

  • MWNY

    Rihanna looks soo sad in Mexico. I don’t think this is going to court. I’m sorry I wouldn’t file charges if it was the first time. Esp if I started it. follow me on twitter. MWNY

  • Skoopes

    Hypocrits-where are you?

  • LAWGIRL

    If the LAPD throws this case out I will start a protest.

  • Skoopes

    my bad, hypocrites-where are you?

  • hunnie

    Is there a such thing as a police department having their own DA? I thought the District Attorney worked for the entire city/state.

  • Skoopes

    Honey, hunnie, it’s Thursday, Monday was 4 days ago, the stupidity needs to cease, lol

  • About it

    Not enough evidence, meaning lack of cooperation from Rihanna. She doesn’t have to show up at the trial — she is not an American citizen (I believe). The invisible hand of the music industry at it again. It doesn’t matter. Chris Brown is finished in the court of public opinion.

  • BE

    I knew this was going to happen when the picture leaked. I would not be surprised if Rhianna or Chris leaked it so they could not use it against him.

    Rhianna still loves him – love is not something that goes away easily and she is NOT going to testify. Whether she played a part in it or not.

    So they might as well forget this mess and find some REAL battered women. The real battered women don’t run to the police because they are scared.

  • RhiRhi#1PopStar

    Of course it’$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ weak!

    Photo leak, now slow transfer of “evidence”. Yep, it’$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ weak.

    Bought and paid for!

  • RhiRhi#1PopStar

    Who cares about what she loves
    She better wake her ass up and drift out of the fog.
    He didn’t give two cents about her
    He beat her
    Left her alone
    fled the sccene
    to save herself.

    Women that is not love! That is selfishness!

  • RhiRhi#1PopStar

    ^^^to save himself

  • hmmm

    Im sure they will get back together and this story will be history..

  • Sickofitt!

    Chris Brown is career is over? According to who? A bunch of old headz that didn’t buy his albums to begin with, including myself? Chris Brown is adored by the younger generation and trust me those little girls could unfortunately careless about Rihanna’s fat lip.

  • Somer

    I guess the fact that she just left the most popular pre-grammy party looking beautiful then ended up looking like Anna Mae moments later after leaving with Ike Turner, jr. is not enough evidence. What about the witness who called 911. LAPD is in Hollywood’s pocket.

  • BKLYNZ OWN

    2 WORDS:JEWISH LAWYER…WORKS EVERYTIME

  • Diane

    “Y’all better understand what time it is when it comes to the legal system. If they can’t prove it, they don’t bother with it.”

    Bossip needs to STFU. Two days ago they were acting like Chris Brown was going to the gallows but not they’re flip-flopping. SMH!

  • Pop & Lock

    why wouldn’t it work, if he is (Greek orthodox?) who do you think runs hollywood.

  • Diane

    @ Lawgirl,

    If you’re in law school please drop out. If you’re thinking about going to law school please don’t waste your time or your money. Starting a protest if the LAPD throws out the case…SMH @ you not understanding how the legal system works. Once charges are filed only the DA’s office can dismiss a case. Protesting won’t do anything. This isn’t the era of the Salem Witch trials. There are actual legal procedures that need to be followed.

  • Common Sense

    Bossip is full of shit….yall were throwing Chris under the bus threw all this BS.

    Shit was nothing but a case of puppy love gone wrong!

  • Marc B’s Honey

    Uh-oh…looks like Breezy may walk away from this one & dance forever ever ever…lol. Leave these folks alone. They still bangin’ like crazy anyway, so why are we trippin’? When she get’s tired, she’ll leave. Until then, he gon’ keep beating it up and her up, so whatever. She’s no angel either. NEWSFLASH…THEY ARE HUMAN, PEOPLE, JUST LIKE YOU AND ME!!!

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    WHATEVER!!!

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  • hunnie

    @SKOOPES

    Who are you talking to?

  • Lady Architect

    I figured this would happen since she didn’t want to go to the police station in the first place. She been said she wouldn’t presse charges which is the average mentality among women who have been beaten. This case will be thrown out, but Chris needs to worry more so about his career because his main fanbase is children and teenage girls.

  • ms meca

    they sure was a cute yung lil couple

  • foxxy

    They can’t try the case because the evidence does not match the story come on now, yall watch crime TV. If the evidence matched the crime it would be a no brainer. Like i have said from the begging she bruised her face when he wrecked his car. Those pictures of her did not look like someone that had been battered they look like someone that had been in a car accident. Had he punched her in the eye it would have been closed, not slightly swollen and barley bruised. The truth is coming out the story just don’t match. But mean while she has tried to ruin Chris’s career, and everyone hollin poor Ri-Ri. Poor Ri-Ri my ass….she lied….
    Even if she doesn’t not testify they have her story on paper, they could still try him in court. Evidence over rides everything even her story if the story and the evidence does not match there can be no prosecution. You have show proof of the crime…yall watch Chris is going to be found innocent of all of this.

  • Diane

    The way I see it Rihanna doesn’t want to cooperate with the cops or she has given the police a statement at the time the incident occurred but has now refused to cooperate further/has let it known that she will not testify in court. If she refuses to testify in open court the DA would need SUBSTANTIAL EXTRINSIC EVIDENCE (i.e. a tape of the alleged incident that CLEARLY shows Chris assaulting Rihanna) proceed with the case or else any judge with common sense would dismiss the case in the blink of an eye. They can 20,000 pictures and all the medical reports in the world but unless Rihanna says “yes that is me and he did xyz to me” all of that “uncorroborated evidence” means nada. The 911 call was made by a 3rd party not involved in the incident. If the person that placed the call doesn’t want to get involved in the criminal proceedings then more likely than not the 911 tape won’t be admissible in court b/c it is hearsay and Chris has a constitutional right to confront the witnesses against him (see Crawford v. Washington). All in all the DA needs a pretty tight case b/c the defense is already looking for all the loopholes they can find.

    Sorry for the long rant. I just frustrates me that I spent 3 years in law school and ignorant ppl who have probably never set foot in a law school bldg think they know everything about the legal system.

  • Whateva

    Of course this will be hard to prove there are no witnesses and I swear rihanna head looks like she hit it on something..He will porbably get a plea deal even if they do find charges that stick

  • chalola

    I thought this case was a clear cut case, need more evidence? this postponement is going to drain the love birds. Damn, don’t tell me they will search for evidence for a year. I can see that coming.

  • Marc B’s Honey

    @ foxxy…I don’t know if she lied about everything, but for real, I just can’t get with this story…I think she did a little elaborating just to get back at him. I believe they were already broken up, and the fact that he was already choppin’ it up with other chicks just made her explode. For her to throw the keys out of the car, I’m assuming that the car was parked. Therefore, he must have pulled over to reason with her. If anyone is rational, they can conclude that an abusive man does not pull over to beat you, they hit you and keep driving, and when yall get home, they tear into that azz…
    This story is not adding up. I don’t care what anyone says.

  • chalola

    @Marc B’s Honey

    I just want to give you a big hug for what you have just written.I will give you this big KISS though.

  • Whateva

    @ Lawgirl

    u r a lame why would u spent ur time protesting something that is old as time, the ppl involved dont care nothing about you, and you have no idea what happened???

    U really need a life!!!

  • realwoman

    Diane you sound like you are in a bad mood so please don’t read the below. lmao

    Question: Isn’t it possible for the DA to pursue the case even without her testimony? Isn’t that what they are anticipating and why they need the ‘more evidence’. Can’t he be viewed as a threat to society. If he used his foot or any object can’t that be called a dangerous weapon?

  • Marc B’s Honey

    @ Diane…Why didn’t you finish law school?

    Also, I’m not sure, but I firmly believe that state laws vary, so it depends on the jurisdiction. There are things you can get away with in Massachussetts that you can slide by with in Iowa…so it is what it is.

  • realwoman

    Lawgirl I get what you were trying to say. It’s not nice for men to beat up on women and guy who gets away with it makes you angry and want to protest. I don’t get why people are pissed that you would take up this CAUSE. Do you all go and curse out those participating in the walk for hunger or boycotting wawlmart for the ill treatment of their employees too? Why are people so damn angry and raggity all the time?

  • Marc B’s Honey

    Question: Isn’t it possible for the DA to pursue the case even without her testimony? Isn’t that what they are anticipating and why they need the ‘more evidence’. Can’t he be viewed as a threat to society. If he used his foot or any object can’t that be called a dangerous weapon?

    @ real woman…Yep, I’m not a law major or anything, but I do know for a fact that a DA can pursue a case with or without the victim. Take statutory rape cases for instance…the parents don’t have to press charges in the matter, but the DA will stay take the case on.

  • Simply & Naturally Beautiful

    LAPD just need to throw in the towel. She is not pressing charges (to save what is left of his career) and the DA does not have any cause or concern about Chris Brown. He is not a menace to society.. he is a hot headed kid who lost control. Please. Lets get over this non-sense…with all the women and men getting killed and abused and now people want to make this situation a big deal cause they are celebrities.

    Young People use your common sense…somebody knock you upset side your head…don’t let fear or threats make you afraid to take action.

    For adults…you know better so if you stay with them and they continue to beat ya azz…then oh well.

    She wants Chris and Chris wants to be with her…then they will be together. Forgiveness is a powerful thing. Learn from mistakes. Women are more prone to doing it than men..because men live my double standards.

    Example: A woman cheats on a man; he can’t forgive her

  • His E-Minence

    Here here to fellow lawyers clearing up ish. I’m a transactional lawyer and I even remember that basis ish from criminal proceedure class.

  • realwoman

    Marc B’s Honey

    @ foxxy…I don’t know if she lied about everything, but for real, I just can’t get with this story…I think she did a little elaborating just to get back at him. I believe they were already broken up, and the fact that he was already choppin’ it up with other chicks just made her explode. For her to throw the keys out of the car, I’m assuming that the car was parked. Therefore, he must have pulled over to reason with her. If anyone is rational, they can conclude that an abusive man does not pull over to beat you, they hit you and keep driving, and when yall get home, they tear into that azz…
    This story is not adding up. I don’t care what anyone says.

    ____________________________________________________

    C’mon now. If you just a big fan of the couple or even just Breezy himself just say that, but don’t act like you never heard of a mama pulling the car over to whup her children’s butt! I dont’ equate a butt whupping by a mama as exactly the same thing but you catch my drift. It really isn’t that far fetched that he didn’t want to crash his lambo into people or cars so he pulled over as they continued arguing AND decided to box her AFTER he pulled over. There are all types of women beaters. They don’t have a code of conduct…

  • About it

    Chris Brown is career is over? According to who? A bunch of old headz that didn’t buy his albums to begin with, including myself?
    _____________________________________________
    No according to a music industry that doesn’t want to go up against Gloria Allred, NOW, etc. Also, the real money is in corporate brand sponsorhip which every agent, manager, music exec wants a piece of. No one is going to give him a contract.You see OJ or Warren Moon sellin’ anything lately? I hope he can arrange, write, mix and produce like a mofo. His days in front of the camera are gone.

  • Simply & Naturally Beautiful

    ..sorry hit the enter button….con’d

    If a man cheats on a woman…we will forgive them and take them back once maybe twice.

  • realwoman

    Marc B’s Honey

    Question: Isn’t it possible for the DA to pursue the case even without her testimony? Isn’t that what they are anticipating and why they need the ‘more evidence’. Can’t he be viewed as a threat to society. If he used his foot or any object can’t that be called a dangerous weapon?

    @ real woman…Yep, I’m not a law major or anything, but I do know for a fact that a DA can pursue a case with or without the victim. Take statutory rape cases for instance…the parents don’t have to press charges in the matter, but the DA will stay take the case on.

    ____________________________________________________

    Ok thanks that is what I thought…

  • Lady Shady

    @ Chelly – So so funny!
    _________________________________________
    Chelly

    I’m so tired of Chriannagate….

  • Humphiesal ‘Skeeter’ Blackwell

    Rihnna’s facial injuries appear to be caused by something other than CB’s fists:

    2 symmetrical lumps on her forehead
    2 symmetrically swollen eyes
    Swollen (but evenly distributed) nose
    2 symmetrical cuts, extending from lip edge

    CB could not have beaten her so evenly; these are truly airbag or some other mechanical injuries.

    NOT TO SAY THAT THEY DID NOT FIGHT, WITH HER BEING THE LOSER….

    But the bottom line is that CB probably didn’t cause the evenly placed facial swelling, seen in the TMZ pic…

  • Beautiful Black Woman

    Chris “I wanna beat you down” Brown needs to just disappear immediately!!

    career is finished!

  • realwoman

    Diane you mad you didn’t finish school? Well I have never gone to law school and never wanted to but I have been in a court house before for myself, friends, family members, jury duty and have been able to observe a few things. What is wrong with people giving their opinions or stating that they WOULDN’T like to see him get off? Your issue sounds deeper than just dropping out of school…

    Anyway, we have an actual lawyer in here who doesn’t appear to be obnoxious THANK GOD.

  • Diane

    @ realwoman

    I’m not angry, I just hate it when ppl talk about things that they know nothing about. I’m not a medical professional so I’m not going to sit and talk like I know how to cure cancer. Instead of asking probing questions like you so many people are quick to assume.
    Anyways, to answer your question, YES, the DA can pursue the case without her testimony but they would have to make sure that the evidence that they have can stand on its own and be corroborated without her testimony. Basically, whatever evidence they use has to be so strong that she doesn’t have to say diddly squat. I’m sure the DA is anticipating all of that. In order to be viewed as a threat to society he is convicted of something. As we all know from Jena, a foot can be a dangerous weapon. Heck, when I worked at the DA’s office I had a DV case where a guy threw a frozen broccoli at his gf and lo and behold, the broccoli was a “weapon”. I nearly fell out on the floor.

    P.S. My beef with lawgirl is not that she is upset and wants to protest b/c DV is a serious issue. My issue is that right now as we speak there are thousands of DV victims across the country sitting in courtrooms scared shitless of their abusers – many of whom walk free b/c of legal technicalites but no one seems to care about them.

  • Marc B’s Honey

    @ realwoman…

    Yeah, he just as well could have pulled over to beat her ass, but I sincerely doubt it. I’m really not a fan of either, but I’m just stating my opinion. And if he was beating her ass so tough, when and why did she find the time to snatch the keys, and throw them out of the car? What the hell was that supposed to do…keep him from beating her ass more?

  • Marquis de Sade

    This is what I posted on Feb. 20, 2009

    Here’s the real story as relayed to me from a friend on the inside.

    The D.A. threw the case back because of Rhianna’s statement. – Not complaint! The injuries incurred during their spat, was the result of Chris Slamming on the breaks, thus causing one of the bruises on Rhianna’s forehead. The busted lip and other bruises was caused by three elbows to her face by Chris, due to him warding off Rhianna’s repeated attempts to grab Chris’s cell phone. There was no “CHOKING” or deliberate punching after the car came to a halt.

    According to what I heard, Rhianna will not press charges because she realizes that she has just as much culpability in this as Chris does. Both parties are pretty embarrassed that this whole fiasco has been blown out of proportion.

    According to what i’ve heard, Chris will probably be charged with a misdemeanor aggravated assault, and put on probation (maybe). Trust me, both parties just want the whole thing to go away.

    Chances are, this shit will be swept under the carpet, due to too many outside parties with their own agendas making a mountain out of a molehill. I reiterate: SOME OF YOU BITTER BITCHES NEED TO GET A GRIP! This was nothing more than a puppy-lust spat that got a little out of control.

  • Marc B’s Honey

    @ Humphiesal…I’m so glad that someone other than me realized that both of the knots were just about the same…WTF. Did he measure her forehead or something?…lmao This story does not add up. I keep telling people that. Everyone is so hostile because Rihanna is a woman(a famous woman at that), and they feel like a man beat her ass, but there are definitely a few pieces missing to this puzzle.

  • Simply & Naturally Beautiful

    Forgive and Forget…lets move on Dayum.

  • Simply & Naturally Beautiful

    The case was blown once the pics were leaked. Its a wrap.

  • The Third Eye

    I’m sure the LAPD are looking for shit to plant on Chris, but it’s about over due to the fact they are releasing pics and shit. Their whole department is faulty and shady. The judge is going to look at that.

  • Humphiesal ‘Skeeter’ Blackwell

    Hello Diane…

    Do you feel as if the DA is interpreting the TMZ pic the same way that I am?

  • Diane

    Actually I finished law school, graduated last year as a matter of fact. So I do have my J.D. degree. So dropping out of school…LMAO, try again. Someone asked me a question that I didn’t respond to yet and you make assumptions. Like I already stated, stating one’s opinion is one thing…stating opinions like they’re fact is another thing. I really don’t care if ppl want to see him walk or don’t want to see him walk. I’m only talking from a legal perspective.

    @ Marc B’s honey,

    Like I said above, I did finish law school. True, every state has different laws but federal constitutional laws/rights are applicable in every state. Statutory rape is a whole other issue. That crime is usually classified as a strict liability offense since the defendant can be found guilty simply by committing the act; knowledge that rape is being committed is not required. The fact that you slept with an underage person means you are culpable, regardless of whether or not you knew their real age – you have no defense. Another example, is ppl who are convicted for buying alcohol for a minor. Even if you thought the kid was 21, the fact that they are underage and you bought liqour automatically makes you guilty under the law.

  • Marc B’s Honey

    Around 12:30 a.m. on February 8, 2009, an alleged domestic violence felony battery involving R & B singer Chris Brown and a woman occurred.

    Brown and the woman were in a vehicle on North June street in the Hancock Park area of Los Angeles when, according to the victim, they became involved in an argument. After stopping his car, Brown and the woman got out and the argument escalated. The woman suffered visible injuries and identified Brown as her attacker.

    The Los Angeles Police Department received a 911 call reporting the disturbance. When officers arrived they found the victim, but Brown had already left the scene. The LAPD is conducting an investigation into the incident.

    Okay, I just copied and pasted from the LAPD official website…go check it out for yourself if you would like. I googled LAPD. This is all the police has to say thus far, so why in the hell does everyone think they know the answers? The statements from Rihanna are inconsistent. She told the police that she threw the keys out of the car, Chris went to find them, and when he couldn’t find them, he came back and choked her unconscious, but the above information says that they both got out of the car and the fight escalated. Tell me if I’m wrong, but did he beat her outside of the car or inside? Furthermore, did she get back in the car before or after he choked her? Think about it…the story is not adding up…that’s probably why the DA isn’t taking any action, yet.

  • ?

    Anyone else bothered by the fact that his music is still being pulled off the air? Or that stores like Target and Walmart are taking his cd’s off the shelves? Do these corporations have the right to tell consumers what they can have access to? Why are they eliminating our right to choose?

  • Diane

    @ realwoman,

    Pray tell, who is the actual lawyer that you are referring to?

  • Diane

    @ Humphiesal,

    I’m not sure how the DA is looking at the picture b/c I’m not familiar with the kind of bruises that result from an exploding airbag. I would hope that they would consult with a medical profession to rule out that possibility.

  • Diane

    @ Marc B’s honey

    “Okay, I just copied and pasted from the LAPD official website…go check it out for yourself if you would like. I googled LAPD. This is all the police has to say thus far, so why in the hell does everyone think they know the answers? The statements from Rihanna are inconsistent. She told the police that she threw the keys out of the car, Chris went to find them, and when he couldn’t find them, he came back and choked her unconscious, but the above information says that they both got out of the car and the fight escalated. Tell me if I’m wrong, but did he beat her outside of the car or inside? Furthermore, did she get back in the car before or after he choked her? Think about it…the story is not adding up…that’s probably why the DA isn’t taking any action, yet.”

    That’s what I’m thinking too. You’re one of the few ppl on here that make sense

  • jb_1030

    @ Marquis

    I think what you posted is what happened. Two kids got mad and went overboard.

    Everyone have you forgotten something. If the person who whisked him away say him choking her do you really think that they would have stood there? And would they have left her there knocked out? Too many holes. Maybe that is why she is looking sad because the truth is going to come out that it was a small fight that got out of hand. And now both regret it but dont know how to move foward or to got back without the reprecussions of the public.

  • Marc B’s Honey

    @ Diane…

    Sorry, I didn’t know whether you were stating that you had completed law school, or if you decided to pursue something else. Anyway, congratulations & thnx for explaining the process..

  • Humphiesal ‘Skeeter’ Blackwell

    Hey MBH..just call me Skeeter honey :-)

    My interpetation of the pic, coupled with Marquis’ info, leads me to believe that my intuition is correct:

    CB more than likely was not the aggressor in this unfortunate incident. But, being the male, he will be castigated as another hostile black man.

    CB’s best-case-scenario in this event may have been to:

    Alleviate Rihanna’s fears by handing her his cell phone. This would have at least temporarily stopped her from threatening both of their lives by distracting CB while he was driving. He could have then drove to a safe place, got out of the vehicle, and called for someone to pick him up from that location….

  • Diane

    @ Marc B’s Honey,

    No problem. I don’t have any issues with you. Maybe you should consider law school too. You seem like someone who likes to analyze things and you have a good eye for spotting issues.

  • Marc B’s Honey

    jb_1030

    @ Marquis

    I think what you posted is what happened. Two kids got mad and went overboard.

    Everyone have you forgotten something. If the person who whisked him away say him choking her do you really think that they would have stood there? And would they have left her there knocked out? Too many holes. Maybe that is why she is looking sad because the truth is going to come out that it was a small fight that got out of hand. And now both regret it but dont know how to move foward or to got back without the reprecussions of the public.
    ___________________________________________________

    @ jb…
    I can see where you’re coming from exactly, but then again, there are people who will see someone victimized and do nothing. Nevertheless, I agree with you, her story is jacked up. Everyone is downing Chris now, but I wonder how they’ll react if they discover that her story is fabricated? Will her career be ruined? Will Chris get his endorsements back and receive an apology? I honestly think both parties are to blame here. I am not saying that he didn’t put his hands on her, but I do not believe for a second that he beat her as badly as people are saying. This mess is crazy.

  • Marc B’s Honey

    @ Diane…

    Yeah,a Law major was my initial desire, but I started a family right out of high school, so I opted for Journalism instead. I just didn’t think I would have enough time for law, but then again, I never realized Journalism was such a tough cookie either…lol.

  • Marc B’s Honey

    @ Skeeter…

    Yeah, I can get with your story much better than the lame ones that I’ve heard from the media…lol

  • kay28

    i was thinking the same think those mo@#$%ers are looking to plant something on him…. i dont think its is possible though

  • AvaSpeaks

    @ all of the mature intelligent posters :)

    Alot of what you guys are saying is correct. However, unless some of the information about Rhianna’s part gets out in the public, so the public can know about, then CB is still going to be looked at as the sole agressor in this situation.

    I mean, if it’s simply “kids gone wild” then it needs to be put out there. I think once the public gets a hold of this part of the story, from RELIABLE sources, then I think this will help re-build Chris is the eyes of the public. People, include the music industry executives and celebs, can see that it was not all his fault and if he did use self-defense? Then he needs to be forgiven quickly and Wrigley needs to put that dope-ass ad back on the air.

    I’m telling, the public, especially the buyers and celebs would forgive him.

  • http://signoftimes@msn.org mild sauce part of the sauce family tradition

    hEY mS. MECCA.. How are you today?

  • AvaSpeaks

    @ Marc’s B Honey

    Again, if there is more to this story, and if she had a bigger part in it than is being reported, then the information needs to come, as oppossed to being covered up.

    People this is a very serious situation. And just like it can bring light to domestic abuse in relationships, maybe it can also bring light to young males actually being abused in relationships. If that is even the case, that there has been “abuse” on either of their parts.

    Chris Brown is a highly talented person, even more talented than her and this man could lose everything, even his life if the wrong “stan” get a hold of him. I mean this guy is receiving death threats over this mess? WTF?

    If there is more to the story, then it needs to come on out. Especially if it will help Chris because I have never seen a backlash like that. Not even with Kobe, MJ or even OJ!

  • SNOOK

    im sorry but chris brown is some kinda sexy

  • kay28

    sexy indeed.. i still waiting to hear chris side of the story… in my opinion when i put everything together it was act of self defense…
    IF THAT NOSY PERSON DIDNT CALL 911 NO ONE WOULD HEAR ABOUT THIS SHIT AND THEY WOULD STILL BE KISSY KISSY IN PUBLIC…

  • jb_1030

    I think that the truth willbe the same as let’s say Mike Phelps and Lil Wayne.

    Mike Phelps smokes and admits and says sorry. Lil Wayne says, I gave up the sizurp but I still smoke weed cause I a rapper. Mike Phelps gets dropped from just about everything, but Weezy is still on the radi and no backlash.

    If it is proven that she started or that things didn’t happen like she said, remember he hasn’t said anything, she will be like Lil Wayne and stilla ccepted. But Chris will still be out in the begging for forgiveness.

    And before yall start, no I am not trying to down play domestic violence. I am using it as a scenario of how when a good guy does something wrong inthe public eye he receives more backlash than anyone else.

  • Diane

    @ Marc B’s Honey,

    Never give up on your dreams girl. I understand you have family obligations now but it could be an option in the future. Plus, you can always go at night. It’s never too late. Shoot, one of my classmates was 47 years old. I couldn’t imagine myself in school that old but if you really want something you can make it happen. I didn’t know how hard journalism was until I tutored some college kids who majored in it. Some of their papers had me scratching head. Good luck with whatever career you choose.

  • armywife

    It makes you wonder…….
    If the police can’t find enough evidence, how can all the people who wearn’t even there find it. you can’t believe all the hype all the time. This is 2009 people use your heads, no one really knows what happened but the two of them and Rhianna is not acting as bad toward Chris as some of you are. so leave it alone and get you some business of your own.

  • trying to understand why i read this sh….

    there are a couple of folks here that knows something isn’t adding up. They have found holes in her story and he has witnesses about her prior behavior. I doubt very seriously that she wasn’t trying to get his ass. If he wanted out of the relationship and she didn’t want do you do. Get revenge of course. Unlike those that think she has undying love I think she was more than willing to testify against him (because he still doesn’t want her), but her story is horseshit.

  • trying to understand why i read this sh….

    thats: “what do you do?”

  • Marc B’s Honey

    @ Ava Speaks…

    Yes, you truly do speak, Ava. I don’t think people are being rational about the events. There is no way in the world all of the events that she described could have taken place the way she described them, and this mess is killing poor Breezy’s career. He is a talented young man who is getting everything ripped away from him. You’re right, Ava…not even, MJ, Kobe or OJ suffered this badly, but then again, their victims weren’t famous. I guesss that makes a big difference. Sad, but true. I don’t believe Chris is guilty of what they are saying he is.

  • http://myspace.com/mahoganyrouge Black.Woman

    Chris will get a diversion. I’m done with this story. It’s offical.

  • Marc B’s Honey

    SNOOK

    im sorry but chris brown is some kinda sexy
    _________________________________________________

    You have never lied. My friend thinks I’m jumping to his defense because he resembles my husband…lol. No, honestly, I don’t think he is in this mess by himself. Rihanna needs to woman up, and tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth.

  • Marc B’s Honey

    @ Diane…

    Thanks for the encouragement. I actually love Journalism. I just love to write period. Once my advisor found out they I had a passion for Law as well, she suggested that I consider Political Journalism. I don’t know…I’m still debating.

  • The Third Eye

    Rihanna is throwing Chris under the bus basically until she tells the whole truth. It may not make him look like angel or save his career completely, but it will help. These battered Rihanna pics flying around with this weak as story as to what happened makes Chris looks like an animal.

  • Whateva

    @ about it

    why r u comparing chris to oj that man was charged with murder.. chris didnt kill anyone, i think alot of yall r jumping the gun he just assaulted someone.. i understand yall in love with rihanna but dont label chris either he made a mistake he will be ok his career will not be the same but i doubt its over

  • Lady Architect

    ?

    Anyone else bothered by the fact that his music is still being pulled off the air? Or that stores like Target and Walmart are taking his cd’s off the shelves? Do these corporations have the right to tell consumers what they can have access to? Why are they eliminating our right to choose?
    —————————————————
    Those stores have the right to do that because they are privately owned. They don’t want to take any chances and I can’t blame them. No sponsor wants to get mixed up in this mess regardless what the story is. They did the same to mike Vick and o.j. and even plaxico. You can’t walk into any walmart or target and find things that are related to them. I doubt you even find an R. KElly CD. The only reason R. Kelly is making money is because he’s behind the scenes producing and writer where his name goes into that very small print nobody ever reads.

    Realwoman,
    I doubt the LAPD will try to find more evidence. For one Cali is pretty much bankrupt and everyone’s budget has taken a dunk because of it. That dude that sold the pic to TMZ got paid in one day what would have taken 2years for him to make. Sadly he got caught. I doubt the crime lab wanna take time out to investigate. They might just throw it out since Rihanna doesn’t care to press charges anyway.

  • Kiss my ass Bossip

    Too much information was leaked including the pic and that messed everything up, I dunno if they would have had a jury but they need an unbias one and releasing the pics probably meant Chris wouldn’t get a fair trial that’s probably why the police are pissed cos it helps his case,

    Rihanna doesn’t have to testify if she doesn’t want to and they can go ahead if they have a strong enough case maybe they feel they ain’t got all the facts it’s better for them to be ready than not to have all the facts and looks incompetent in court

  • Kiss my ass Bossip

    I don’t agree with them talking his songs off the air no I don’t you got that mofo R Kelly who is a paedophile but he still releases albums did they stop playing his tunes while he was on trial nope, double standards if they doing it for Chris it should be for all, on the real R Kelly career should have been over and he’s still going strong

  • *Treasure*

    THey will probably throw the case out. If Rhianna is not cooperating with police. That is what this sounds like in my opinion.

  • AvaSpeaks

    Again @ all the mature intelligent posters :)

    Yes, again, you are all right. Something is not adding up. And to be honest, lots of radio dj’s are talking about it as well.

    However, I think a celeb friend needs to step in Chris’ defense. A real defense. If Ne-Yo or T.I. or any of them knows that stuff has always gone down, and he has been abused in some sort, I wish a celeb will come on out and say it. Because I betcha if a A-List celeb comes on out and say, “we don’t know the facts but something is not adding up, that’s all I’m saying”, people will listen and take notice.

    Because if Chris came on out and said some stuff to that effect, it would be all over.

  • ?

    @ Lady Architect

    I disagree. I dont think any of these stores have the right to do so. This is America we are supposed to have the right to choose for ourselves.
    These corporations are of no moral authority to stand on their soapboxes and make those decisions for me. This is not a socialist country. And just b/c they do that to other artists/athlets dont make it correct.
    Is it really the medias job to try/convict people before they have been tried and convicted in a court of law? If so why dont we just throw away the Constitution and let walmart figure it out for
    us?
    And Walmart….please. Dont they employ (i use this term loosely) chinese women in factories, pay them pennies a day, and house them in tents while they work to put together their products? I think thats akin to SLAVERY…

  • star

    Rihanna’s people probably advised her not to press charges. If she has to go to court the whole story would come out. That may include things like:

    1. her starting the fight and hitting CB (and theres no law sayin that a man must not hit a woman, that would be biased, just like saying a black man must not hit a white man or vice versa)and that would do nothing for her good girl image,

    2. maybe that she is really jealous and tried to fight him for the phone to see who text him and nobody wants everyone to know that they are jealous and insecure? (especially someone who appears as confident as she)

    3. if he was cheating on her, its embarassing

    just sayin.

  • AvaSpeaks

    Not only that, but how come nobody is mentioning that Giant interview? I mean she hit her brother with a glass bottle? And she said that they used to physically fight. This is a pattern of family violence.

    IF Chris is NOT a serial abuser, then this needs to come on out in the public. Because what this can be used as is a pattern or violent behavior on HER part. And again, coupled with another apology, from his own brain and heart and lips, this can soften the anger and help to re-buid his career.

    Because trust me, even if people forgive him, if the industry blackballs him, then he still won’t be able to get back successful, unless he starts making his own shit, movies, songs, etc.

    So the other celebs and industry people have to believe it too.

  • http://comcast Jay Trishzzkie

    He beat dat bitch, and then beat the case…Do you see tough ass bitches the law can’t protect you when you wanna fight a man..

  • http://Pride Pride

    Hang in there CB and stop buying the cow gifts this is making you look bad You B the block nigga

  • AvaSpeaks

    @ star

    Could this be the reason why she swore her staff and friends and family to secrecy?

    I mean I don’t know. That’s why I said, if CB wants to come out of this a little less glazed either:

    A celeb-friend has to state that what she has done to him before

    A celeb-friend has to say something is not adding up

    A celeb-friend has to say that they know both of them and that there is more to the story

    One of her family members, friends, or staff would had to betray her and present what they know.

  • AvaSpeaks

    @ Jay

    The buying of gifts is a foolish mistakes. But I think he’s making it because he is so young. Somebody should had just said, buy the girl a card or something.

    He could had kept the iPod touch for his tutor!

  • AvaSpeaks

    Should Oprah Apologize to Rihanna Over Brown Remarks?
    By The Staff at wowOwow.com

    Oprah Winfrey/ Rihanna

    AP/Getty ImagesOprah Winfrey, a pioneer for women’s rights and victim of sexual abuse, disappointed a lot of fans when she addressed singer Chris Brown’s alleged attack on pop-star girlfriend Rihanna.

    Oprah, Gayle King, actor Mark Consuelos and actress Alexandra Wentworth were on Friday’s “Oprah Winfrey Show” and addressed the TMZ.com leaked photograph of a beaten and bruised Rihanna. The panel agreed that the public may think they know a celebrity, but they never really know a person.

    Everyone on the show also agreed that Brown, 19, needs counseling, but then Gayle and Oprah mentioned Brown’s “kind” heart. The three met at Oprah’s school in South Africa and Brown made quite the impression at the time.

    “He was so lovely,” Gayle said on the show, the New York Post’s Pop Wrap blog points out. “He was such a wonderful, kind, generous guy.” Well, Oprah’s viewers were not under the same impression and took to the online message boards to vent their anger.

    Writes one viewer, khaleyo:
    I was also soooooo disappointed, Oprah was brought to fame by stories of women abused … 15 years ago she would have cried seeing that picture and would not have condoned it but now she’s being politically correct. If I was Rihanna I would be disappointed after watching that ‘show’ …

    Meanwhile, Rihanna may have much more than Oprah’s opinion on her mind.

    The latest rumors claim Rihanna, 21, may be pregnant, a fact some speculate may have led to Brown’s alleged attack on young Rihanna. According to reports, Rihanna visited a gynecologist at Cedars-Sinai Medical Center in Los Angeles when she suspected she was carrying Brown’s baby.

    But back to the Oprah debate: Does the talk-show queen owe Rihanna an apology? Does Brown’s senseless violence automatically make him evil? Is abuse black and white? Just a few things we’ve been discussing here … Weigh in below

  • ladyarchitect

    ?,
    I feel you but just like you say you have the right to choose, so do the owners of those stores. You have the right to not shop there as a consumer. Those stores haven’t lost consumers which showed whatever they did is helping them. IF they lost tons of consumers after they took CB’s stuff of the shelves then they probably would’ve modified their idea. Same with radio stations. The owners of the stations obviously told the dj’s not to play CB stuff until things boil over. Obviously these radio stations haven’t lost their ratings. There’s still stations that do play his music and there’s still stores that have his albums on the shelves. As a consumer you have the right to shop there instead of the other places. This is just as much a socialist country as it is a capitalist. The two are closely related. Notice how we have social classes and they all stick together. You won’t find too many rich people hanging out in the hood with poor people. Many of them are at golf club meetings and things. The retailers are smart, I would’ve done the same to avoid protestors against battered women in front of my store.

  • kay28

    this ish so confusing.. i think they r both trying to cover each other ass…. its like a ride till i die situation if they go down they go together….

  • MissBlaze44

    WHERE IN THE LA TIMES DOES IT SAY THAT RIHANNA WAS CHOCKED OUT AND HAD A BLACK EYE?

    AND YOU WANT TO KNOW WHY THE DA THINKS THE CASE IS TOO WEAK? READ ON…

    Rihanna assisting police in Chris Brown case
    A fight in Hancock Park after a pre-Grammy Awards party left the R & B singer with bruises and a scratched face, police say.
    By Richard Winton and Harriet Ryan
    February 10, 2009
    R&B star Rihanna is cooperating with investigators building a domestic violence case against her boyfriend, the singer Chris Brown, a police source said Monday.

    The source said the 20-year-old performer, whose full name is Robyn Rihanna Fenty, was providing “ongoing” cooperation to detectives who booked Brown on Sunday on suspicion of making criminal threats against her.

    An early morning altercation with Brown after a pre-Grammy Awards party left Rihanna with bruises and a scratch on her face, according to police sources. She was treated at a “major medical facility,” a police source said.

    Brown, 19, has a double-platinum record and dance moves often compared to Michael Jackson’s. He fled before officers arrived, police said.

    He remained free on $50,000 bail, but neither he nor his attorney would speak about allegations that rocked the Grammys ceremony. Brown and Rihanna were both nominated; neither attended the ceremony.
    The fight occurred after midnight on a quiet block in Hancock Park, where Brown had stopped a rented Lamborghini he was driving. According to police, several people saw or heard a loud, violent confrontation. The luxury car was impounded because the alleged assault may have begun in the vehicle, a police source said.

    Commercial fallout began Monday, when the makers of Doublemint gum suspended an endorsement deal. A commercial in which Brown dances and sings a version of the gum’s jingle aired during the Grammys. By then, many viewers knew of the accusations against him.

    “Wrigley is concerned by the serious allegations made against Chris Brown. We believe Mr. Brown should be afforded the same due process as any citizen. However, we have made the decision to suspend the current advertising featuring Brown and any related marketing communications until the matter is resolved,” the Wm. Wrigley Jr. Co. said in a statement.

    richard.winton@latimes.com

    harriet.ryan@latimes.com

    Times staff writer Andrew Blankstein contributed to this report

  • MissBlaze44

    NOW, WHERE IN THIS LA TIMES ARTICLE DOES IT SAY THAT RIHANNA GOT CHOCKED OUT / BLACK EYE / KEYS THROWN OUT THE WINDOW / FAKED CALL TO FRIEND SAYING “CALL THE COPS, WE’RE ON OUR WAY”?

    READ ON…

    R&B singer Chris Brown booked on suspicion of making felony criminal threats
    8:29 PM | February 8, 2009
    [Updated 9:21 p.m.] R&B singer Chris Brown has been booked tonight on suspicion of making felony criminal threats in connection with an incident involving his girlfriend, pop singer Rihanna, according to Los Angeles Police Department sources familiar with the case.
    Brown was booked at the Wilshire Division station and posted $50,000 bail, sources said. He left the station before 9 p.m.
    Los Angeles police said earlier they planned to detain Brown for questioning on an alleged domestic violence assault. In an updated statement tonight, police said, additional charges may be filed against Brown when the case is presented to the Los Angeles County district attorney’s office. Brown listed his residence as Washington, Va.
    [Updated 7:25 p.m.] Brown arrived at the Wilshire Division police station before 7:15 p.m., accompanied by his attorney Mark Geragos and Geragos’ investigator, Scott Ross. The pair drove into a parking lot behind the police station on Venice Boulevard just east of La Brea Avenue in a black Cadillac Escalade. They entered through a back door where a posted sign read “authorized personnel only.” Police are expected to release a statement later this evening
    Both Brown and Rihanna canceled their performances at tonight’s Grammy Awards.
    The alleged incident was reported about 12:30 a.m. Sunday in Hancock Park.
    Brown and Rihanna, whose full name is Robyn Rihanna Fenty, were apparently in a car together and got into an argument on North June Street, according to a Los Angeles Police Department statement. Brown stopped the car, the two got out, and the argument escalated, according to police.
    A witness called 911, but Brown was gone when officers arrived at the scene. The woman suffered visible injuries and identified Brown as her attacker, according to police.
    Brown and Rihanna had appeared together Saturday night at Clive Davis’s pre-Grammy gala in Beverly Hills.
    Shortly before the Grammy show began at 5 p.m. at Staples Center, Grammy officials issued a statement saying, “We have just been informed Rihanna will not be attending tonight’s 51st Grammy Awards. Rihanna will not be performing. We are sorry to see she is unable to join us this evening.”
    A publicist for the Barbados-born star, who sold more digital song downloads than any other in 2008 with nearly 10 million tracks, said Sunday night, “Rihanna is well. Thank you for your concern and support.”
    Her song “Disturbia,” which she’d been scheduled to perform at the ceremony, was the sixth best-selling digital track of the year. She was replaced by veteran soul singer Al Green, who was accompanied by country singer-guitarist Keith Urban.
    Brown’s record label spokesman did not respond to The Times’ request for comment. His whereabouts were unknown as the Grammy show began. Brown finished 2008 as the fourth-best-selling artist in the digital realm, posting 6.8 million tracks sold, according to Nielsen SoundScan.
    –Andrew Blankstein, Geoff Boucher and Ari Bloomekatz

  • MissBlaze44

    See – y’all just took shit at FACE VALUE and ran with it. WHY – BECAUSE IT WAS RIHANNA?

    All she had to do was tell the TRUTH – AND THE WHOLE TRUTH about what happened.

    Why add all this OTHER stuff to it 2 – 3 DAYS AFTER HER INITIAL REPORT?

    And you want to know why the DA thinks the case is TOO WEAK?

    COME ON – Y’ALL CAN’T BE **THAT** DAMN STUPID – OR MAYBE YOU ARE.

    Carry on – AND KEEP ROOTIN’ AND TOOTIN’ FOR YOUR GIRL RIHANNA!!!

  • star

    Oprah does not owe anyone an apology. She is sayin the same thing that alot of celebs who know CB are sayin, that from their interction with him he appeared to be a nice boy. (he is a boy and not a man despite what he thinks)

    They probably suspect flaws in the story and don’t want to hang CB out to dry or label him as a woman beater. A woman beater suggests that he has a habit of doing that.

  • http://gossiboocrew.wordpress.com/2009/02/26/breaking-report-the-lapd%e2%80%99s-has-claims-that-their-case-is-too-weak-to-convict-rb-singer-chris-brown%e2%80%99s/ BREAKING REPORT: The LAPD’s has Claims That Their Case Is Too Weak To Convict R&B Singer Chris Brown’s « GOSSIBOO

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  • Carla

    This just proves that Chris and Rhianna are plain human.

  • jb_1030

    Why do you think he is being quiet? The DA isn’t as stupid as some folks on here. They are probably like WTF? THere is no way of anyone knowing unless she begins to talk and so does he. And I guess that will not be until after march 5th.

  • R.L

    @ Marc B’s Honey

    Even though the picture looks bad, this is exactly what I was trying to explain to Sidney man hating ass a week ago but she brush it off as me being stupid. Her story doesn’t add up. She apparently bruises easy, so where the marks on her neck since he choke her? She makes a fake phone call, tell her “friend” to make sure the police is there and he snaps and beats her up after that? He beats her in the car, and then throw the keys out the window? He goes look for them, and you don’t lock yourself in the car so he won’t beat you more?

    @Ava

    I agree. People just want to say since Chris saw abuse, that he was going to become an abuser. Well if Rihanna was dishing out abuse when she was young, that would make her an abuser. Chris Brown was labeled guilty before any facts was out.

  • Cadence

    @ ? –yeah that’s some straight b.s.

    @ jb_1030

    “Maybe that is why she is looking sad because the truth is going to come out that it was a small fight that got out of hand. And now both regret it but dont know how to move foward or to got back without the reprecussions of the public.”

    Exactly. That’s what I’ve been saying from day one. People making Rihanna into some type of spokeswoman for battered women, and Chris into some demonized abuser. A title which neither of them probably want or deserve. Very sad.

  • About it

    @whatever:
    I was using OJ and Warren Moon cuz their cases arose from a domestic violence situation and they lost endorsements — that is all I’m sayin’. There will be no corporate stacks after this for Chris cuz domestic violence is a very sensitive issue.

  • Tennllie

    I agree with Lexi and R.L Chris was labeled guilty befor any fact from the courts came out. How is it that they cant find evidence against him and they so called has this picture of her face all mess up that should be evidence enough. Chris had to tell them people he didnt touch her the reason being because if he would have told them that he did he would have been charge already. And thats why they got to find evidence against him. And Rhianna and telling nothing because Chris bout aint touch that girl. She probley got mad cause he broke up with her crazy self. And went crazy. The truth will come out about what happen.

  • makavelist@thuglove.com

    she wont press charges….typical domestic violence scenerio :(

  • R.L

    @Tennllie

    I remember when Kobe got arrested. People labeled him guilty before the facts were out. The only thing Kobe was guilty was, was cheating on his wife and that between Kobe and his wife. Even today though, there people that use that whole rape trail against him. And it was clear he was innocent all along.

  • realwoman

    Yeah she prolly just fell down the steps…and then out the door…then onto the sidewalk..then into oncoming traffic..as a matter of fact I don’t even think Chris Brown was in the country! FREE CHRIS BROWN! HE IS INNOCENT!! HE ONLY APOLOGIZED FOR NOT BEING THERE TO CATCH RHI WHEN SHE FELL DOWN THE STEPS CAUSE HE WAS IN JAPAN DOING A VIDEO SHOOT….

  • realwoman

    Whateva

    @ about it

    why r u comparing chris to oj that man was charged with murder.. chris didnt kill anyone, i think alot of yall r jumping the gun he just assaulted someone..
    ____________________________________________________

    Guess what fool! OJ WAS WHUPPING DAT A$$ BEFORE THE MURDER HAPPENED. Talking about JUST ASSAULTED you sound like a damn idiot. My take on it? They were fighting and acting childish! Car prolly swerved, he try to park and she is still wiling so he just goes nuts on her and Chris got the better of Rihanna. THE FVCKING END. All now I don’t see anyone out here with an answer to WHY NOT JUST USE THAT SAME STRENGTH YOU HAVE TO RESTRAIN HER IF SHE SUPPOSEDLY STARTED IT? Keep looking for excuses…karma has a way of catching up with people…

  • realwoman

    Diane

    @ realwoman,

    Pray tell, who is the actual lawyer that you are referring to?

    ____________________________________________________

    I’m not telling you because you might try to kill them…

  • realwoman

    Marc B’s Honey

    @ realwoman…

    Yeah, he just as well could have pulled over to beat her ass, but I sincerely doubt it. I’m really not a fan of either, but I’m just stating my opinion. And if he was beating her ass so tough, when and why did she find the time to snatch the keys, and throw them out of the car? What the hell was that supposed to do…keep him from beating her ass more?

    _____________________________________________________

    THE POINT IS THERE ARE ALOT OF UNANSWERED QUESTIONS..my thing is why are people who CLAIM to not even be fans of the young man eerily shooting down any scenario that might put him as an aggressor or abuser? I just don’t get it. If you are truly unbias you could ask questions in her favor too…LIKE

    If Chris was really just trying to defend himself why didn’t he just get out of the car?

    If the chick threw the keys out of the car…why didn’t he get out of the car then instead of beating her up?

    If there was really an accident why wasn’t there any reports of damage to other vehicles or the car?

    If he was really innnocent WHY LEAVE THE SCENE instead of sticking around to see if his ‘ex’ girl was okay?

    If he had just broken up with her and moved on and she is this crazy monster b!tch WHY THE FVCK WERE THEY IN THE SAME CAR TOGETHER WITH EACH OTHER?

    If she was whupping his a$$ to the point that he had to buss up her lip WHERE ARE HIS INJURIES?

    You damn right the story has holes…he better be glad he got a ride or die b1tch instead of a true vindictive b!tch like you all are trying to make her out to be otherwise he would be in jail already! You stans should be thanking the girl…

  • AvaSpeaks

    Not only are peeps labeling her a domestic violence victim, but because a fight now this is domestic violence?

    I’m not going to say a fight that went way too far is cause to say she is a battered woman or that this is a domestic abusive relationship.

    Let’s say if the truth comes out, and let’s say that things did not go down as severe as “media” was saying. Will the public forgive CB so he can make a comeback or will the damage be permantely done?

    I mean if she say things didn’t go down the way people are saying, then people will say, “oh this is just typical domestic abuse response”

    If CB says that he is sorry again and that he is getting help, then some people in the public won’t believe him and will still hate him.

    In my book, they are both gonna be damned if they do and damned if they don’t.

  • AvaSpeaks

    @ realwoman

    I personally don’t know what the hell happened. But it’s simple to me:

    If he brazenly beat the hell out of her, just for kicks, then he should be punished.

    But if there is more to the story, and things are no where near as bad as media is making it, then it needs to come out.

    The truth needs to come out either way.

  • ladyarchitect

    AvaSpeaks,
    A FIGHT BETWEEN A COUPLE THAT WERE DATING, MARRIED, OR LIVING TOGETHER IS SEEN AS A DOMESTIC DISPUTE THATS WHY THEY ARE LABELING IT THAT. NOT GOING OFF WHAT THE MEDIA HAS BEEN SAYING, BECAUSE IT’S BEEN A LOT OF RUMORS AND SPECULATIONS, BUT THE PICTURE ALONE YOU HAVE TO ADMIT IS CRAZY. WOMEN DON’T NORMALLY GET MARKS LIKE THAT EVEN IF THEY ARE LIGHTSKIN. THAT’S WHAT IS GIVING OFF THE BATTERED WOMAN SENSE. HER FACED WAS SCREWED UP. I’M NOT SURE IF CHRIS IS AN ABUSER BECAUSE I DON’T PERSONALLY KNOW IF HE’S DONE THIS BEFORE, BUT BASED OFF THE OFFICIAL PIC OF RIHANNA AND THE OFFICIAL PIC OF CHRIS WHERE U CAN SEE HIS BRUISED KNUCKLES, YOU CAN FAIRLY SAY THAT HE LOST IT AT THAT MOMENT. IN DOMESTIC DISPUTES, IT’S VERY HARD TO FIND EVIDENCE IF PEOPLE DON’T WANT TO TESTIFY. THESE THINGS HAPPEN NEARLY EVERYDAY AND MOST WOMEN ARE TOO SCARED TO TESTIFY OR HAVE THAT SYNDROME WHERE THEY FEEL LIKE THEY DESERVED IT BECAUSE THEY “PISSED HIM OFF” UNLESS HE SCRATCH HER AND THEY FOUND HER DNA UNDER HIS NAILS OR HE HIT HER WITH A WEAPON AND THEY MATCHED BOTH OF THEIR DNAS, HER TESTIMONY AND THE WITNESS IS ALL THEY HAVE AND RIGHT NOW NEITHER WANTS TO BE BOTHERED WITH THE COURT.

  • Chris Brown Fans!

    Chris Brown B-More got your back! We still play your songs and the fans still love! Everybody deserves a second chance..besides we don’t know what happened so who are we to judge? Folks always talking about stay out of Jay Z & Beyonce’s business, yet wants to be all in you and Rihanna’s. Just remember who threw you under the bus in the entertainment business..its alot of hypocritical snakes out there!

  • Pop & Lock

    Chris obsessed Brown will reportedly plea self-defense in his court case, claiming Rihanna attacked him. The 19-year-old singer – who has allegedly been accused of beating his ex-girlfriend earlier this month – is waiting to hear if the charges will be brought to court and is set to accuse Rihanna of starting the altercation on February 7.
    A source told Life and Style Weekly magazine: “Chris is already building his case. He’s saying she threw a phone at him, then hit him in the head and basically just lost it. He’s saying she attacked him.”
    Rihanna, 21, has reportedly told police Chris beat her in his car in Los Angeles, threatened to kill her and choked her until she was unconscious.
    Chris has been charged with making criminal threats and was released on $50,000 bail.
    He is also being investigated for other felonies including domestic violence and assault resulting in great bodily injury.
    Rihanna is yet to file charges against him, and is said to still be deeply traumatized by the alleged assault.

    “She’s told her team to do what they need to do. She just wants them to handle things for her.”

    Chris’ initial arraignment date was set for March 5, but it may now be postponed as the investigation is ongoing.
    *************************************************
    hmmm…

  • Pop & Lock

    He doesn’t sound obsessed to me.

  • http://flisted.com/67768/snatch-lovers-56/ F-Listed » Archive SNATCH LOVERS «

    [...] LAPD’s Case Too Weak: Chris Brown’s Court Date Likely Delayed (Bossip) [...]

  • http://bossip Truth Teller

    This case got blew out of proportion by a failing media who wasn’t above exploiting this story for profit,it’s as simple as that.

    If LAPD is saying that the case is weak,and they are looking for more evidence,what evidence? What could be taking them so long to gather evidence when they already have it atleast according to those that judged Chris Brown by the pictures that were seen?

    There is only so much evidence to be gathered at the scene.Chris Brown can only be tried for issues involving that night.He can’t be tried on hearsay.

    When Chris people released the statement,it was said things are not as they appeared but many played judge and jury.Chris will clear his name and I believe when his name is cleared it will reveal some not so positive things about Rhianna that really could have stayed private,if not for the meddling media who cares nothing about ‘Real domestic abuse’,they just wanted a story!

    I really feel there are some sick people on this site who have seen abuse and they want Chris Brown to pay for those who abused them in life,but that is not Chris burden…..Go seek help.

  • Pop & Lock

    Rihanna went to a club in Mexico for her birthday and she celebrated by actually drinking and smoking. So she’s definitely not pregnant,” a source exclusively revealed to Gossip On This. Rihanna didn’t partake in any party or any kind of celebration at all in her home country of Barbados. In fact, the pop singer hasn’t even been home since the incident that occurred between her and Chris Brown the weekend of the 2009 Grammys. She had been holed up in her Beverly Hills apartment and didn’t leave until she flew to Mexico to celebrate her 21st birthday.

    Our source also wanted to make it clear that Chris Brown hasn’t had any kind of contact with Rihanna since the Grammy weekend incident. So those rumors of him sending her all kinds of expensive gifts to “win her heart back” are completely false. “Chris never sent Rihanna an iPhone or any kind of gifts, neither did his mom send flowers. No gifts were exchanged to Rihanna from Chris’ camp,” says the source.
    ***************************************************
    my last little contribution of the day….I’m too thru!

  • Lolah

    Still Keeping Hope Alive BREEZY!!!!!

  • MissBlaze44

    Hell, yeah, man. I WANT this to go to court. Chris’ Attorney ALREADY HAS AN INVESTIGATOR – and guess who he’s Investigating?

    Here’s a hint – the letters CB aren’t included!!!!

    Talking about they want to push back the case to gather more evidence – YEAH RIGHT!!!

    If they shit was so AIR-TIGHT they wouldn’t need more “time” and “evidence”.

    What – YOU MEAN **RIHANNA’S WORD *** AND ***THE PICTURE*** DOESN’T PROVE ENOUGH?

    WOW, WHY IS THAT?!!!!!!

  • MissBlaze44

    @ TRUTH TELLER

    YOU BETTER PREACH!!!!!!

  • MissBlaze44

    It was TMZ / PEREZ-HILTON / E-NEWS

    Who were spewing BULLSHIT about Rihanna being “chocked into unconciousness” and “having a black eye”.

    THE PHOTOS REVEALED NONE OF THAT – and when Rihanna DID tell the cops about being “chocked out” THAT CAME 2 – 3 DAYS “AFTER” HER INITIAL REPORT.

    You can READ ALL OF THE L.A. TIMES ARTICLES – AND IT “DOES NOT STATE ANY OF THAT”.

    Y’all let the words of PEREZ HILTON AND TMZ lead you to conclude that Chris Brown is the devil himself – and for THAT I question your logic and way of thinking in all this.

    ALL FOR WHO – RIHANNA? When there’s so many REAL VICTIMS out there that you can be advocating for!

  • foxxy

    lol…..yall is crazy…so many of yall are takin this personal…wow

    Law degree whatever…common sense baby is all we need. done….

  • TheGoodGood

    That’s a bit more sensible a comment over the last shit he said

  • MissBlaze44

    @ Marquis de Sade

    LMFAO @: I reiterate: SOME OF YOU BITTER BITCHES NEED TO GET A GRIP!

  • star

    Big shot gloria alred said that you cannot take the picture of Rih in isolation. She said self defense may be an issue on the part of CB.

    People were getting emotional when they saw the pic and started talkin that the pic is full proof evidence. I guess not.

  • Honeycream

    Now you know if “I never read a case that I can’t make an easy buck off of Alred”, said something like that she knows what’s up.

  • ME ME ME

    well ya dont say! TI GET EM!

  • nancy

    Ladies all like to join _____Millionaire Romances com_____. I really do not know why? Just cuz many wealthy men and celebrities there? or the men there are all handsome?

  • Cadence

    @ ladyarchitect

    Did I miss something? Where is the official pic of Chris Brown with bruised knuckles?

    @ Truth Teller

    Church!

  • RE RE

    The case will take forever because they cant find shit on Chris and I am sure when he turned hisself in he told the whole true story and thats why they sent him home and the ugly bitch wasnt horrific. I cant wait for yall to find out the true story about your lil princess.Instead of jumping all over Chris yall need to get together and send that bitch back to her island and tell her to stay there and leave our crazy american men alone,or explain to her azz that we hit back.That bitch is so use to kicking her brothers azz she forgot where she was.

  • claroliza

    some of you posters here are really delusional. why are you twisting the facts to make Chris Brown be the victim. CB hasn’t talked because he knows it’s going to get him in even more trouble. Stop saying RiRi’s account of what happened doesnt add up. where are you getting that from? if anything, I’m sure she was pressured into going to police. she also has a lot to lose from this mess. im sure she would have preferred to hide it and if her injuries wouldnt have been so bad she probably would’ve performed at the Grammy’s.

    I know only CB and RiRi know what happened that horrible night. However, it’s obvious he beat her ass. He lost control and beat her badly.

    Now, what really gets me is that he ran off like a coward and left his girlfriend on the side of the road. Even the worst abuser would’ve taken her ass back to the hotel.

  • Tychalla

    This is what happens when children play grown up games by getting serious too fast.But let us get the entire story before we string this teen up.Heard that fake clown Tom Joiner acting as if he was there doing the altercation.Iam very suspect of all these holier than thou people.Pull back a few layers in Mr Joiner’s life and you will find something real nasty,just like old Fake Bill Cosby.The brighter the picture,the darker the negative.

  • MissBlaze44

    @ RE RE

    PREACH!!!!

  • MissBlaze44

    @ claroliza

    Well I’m getting my story from The L.A. Times – who said NOTHING about her having a black eye and being chocked into unconciousness by Chris Brown.

    I’m NOT going by TMZ / Perez-Hilton / E! News…

    THOSE OF THE ONES FILLING YOUR HEADS WITH THE LIES….

    Read my articles up top and compare…..

  • MissBlaze44

    ***CORRECTION****

    Read the L.A. Times Articles that I posted and you’ll see for yourself…

  • MissBlaze44

    @ Tychalla

    DAMN THAT WAS A GOOD ONE: the brighter the picture; the darker the negative.

    Oh, and don’t forget to add JESSIE JACKSON to that list…

  • nothing but the truth

    i know wut he done was wrong but he is juss the sexiest thing.. i would be sad like rihanna if i wasnt gettin that good dick anymore

  • Tychalla

    Jessie never pretends to be holier than thou,stay focused.Jessie keeps America honest about equity.He was wrong for having a child out of wedlock but he never ran around putting down others that did so.He is human.Hell,I hope I could pass up all that female attention that is thrown at high profile people.

  • Tychalla

    Those two getting too serious about each other made me uncomfortable from the get go.Girls mature faster than boys,so I knew she was out of his league.19 and 20 year olds think with their harmones and their emotions and they live in the moment.They both need to go to life classes.Show business is not the real world.They both need real world talking to,and not by some old phony that has done everything under the sun and now are trying to reinvent themselves.They need to be talked to not at.

  • Marquis de Sade

    claroliza

    Your Quixotic-like obsession to lynch a 19 year old boy is comical. A few days ago, you and your fellow reformed thug worshippers and abused “PIMP, PIMP, PLAYA, PLAYA” lovers was shouting to the skies, that photo of Rhianna was all the empirical evidence needed to convict Chris Brown, thus validating/vindicating (subconsciously) all the wrongs you and your fellow bitter ilk endured by foolishly spending a significant part of your 20′s thru early 30′s sucking on the wrong dick(s)…So don’t go projecting all of your past demons on this kid, because you and co-horts was too stupid, weak or (lets’ face it) “DICK-MO-TIZED” to see the signs, and leave! I REITERATE – WHAT RHIANNA AND CHRIS ARE GOIN’ THROUGH, IS NOT ABOUT YOU AND YOUR PAST ABUSIVE RELATIONSHIPS! GET A GRIP!

  • claroliza

    Marquis de Sade…you make me laugh…lol.

  • http://darkandlovely darkandlovely

    They just had a fight so what is the big deal she still want to be with him. But Chris next time pull over and beat your meat before hitting a young lady. LOL

  • LuvinMe

    @ LAWGIRL & realwoman

    Sorry it took me a like a year to respond…I have a life and was too busy at the time to respond to yall BS.
    If LAWGIRL wants to protest something, why don’t she protest for those women out there getting beat on a daily basis and the police dont do nothing about it. Or better yet, protest for those women who had their lives taken by their estranged husbands or boyfriends because the police department would only issue a restraining order instead of picking the person up. Oh and by the way, those women had phyical evidence also.
    LAWGIRL if you want to do something to help why dont you start in your community because Im sure it’s not Pleasantville!

  • KoolKelly

    I’m sick of this crap. I remember telling people when this first happened that she played a part in this, stating that I have a brother who endured having false abuse charges pressed against him and who used the system to do her bidding. I stated that because there are two sides to every story.

    I’m not saying that to deny abuse is out there: I remember seeing a woman in my neighborhood being carried to a coroner’s van with a sheet over her body due to her ex husband stabbing her to death. He violated a restraining order and used the “visiting the kids” excuse to get to her.

    We are not discussing this, we are talking about what appears to be an argument that got out of hand. His career in mainstream pop music is over for now, as well as the multi-million dollar endorsments. Even if he is cleared, he’s guilty in the court of public opinion. I watched “The View” a few days ago, and they as so many other shows spent 5-10 minutes talking about female victims and 5 seconds reminding us that this is all unsubstianted.

    I feel that she started it. Yes, he should have been man enough to walk away, but how many of us know guys who would have done that at 19? You don’t know.

    She will come out looking like some kind of Tina Turner-esque victim and make more money while he will have to do the apology tour and while he has been made to look like OJ.

    I know it’s not going to happen, but if it is discovered that they cannot press charges against him and find fault with her as starting this, I would sue everyone who villified him because this is about money and power.

    Remember, this is not about domestic violence because she would be at a shelter working with other victims of DV, this is about money and power.

    One last thing, I feel that LAPD leaked the pic bc they knew they didn’t have a strong case. That they will have to have the case dismissed as long as he agrees to do the “I’ve been bad” tour of anger management counseling and community service.

    Somewhere down the line, a “retired” detective will comment that he knew this was not a traditional case of DV, but a spat that got out of hand. People who are trying to make a name for themselves and pushing this thru. Same as the previous cases of high-profile incidents.

    When it’s over, check the new blurbs to see how much of LA county’s tax dollars went to this instead of investigating real cases from real tax payers. That’s the second sad story. The first is a situation that escalated to something beyond the two parties.

  • KoolKelly

    Sorry, meant check the news blurbs to see how much of LA county’s tax dollars went to this instead of investigating real cases from real taxpayers.

    I don’t know if you remember, LA county spent between 20 and 40 million in tax dollars for OJ alone. Not that I’m trying to compare alledged assult and murder, but that’s the part no one is willing to look at.

    Would they have done the same for Chris Brown, the mechanic from Crenshaw who allegedly hit his girlfriend, the nursing assistant Rhianna from Compton?

  • touch

    Did Sean Penn get this much hate when he beat up Madonna?

  • celia

    About it said: Not enough evidence, meaning lack of cooperation from Rihanna.

    Exactly. We all seen the picture, LAPD knows she was beat the hell up but they can’t force a woman to stand up for herself in a court of law. She may be the victum but she isn’t going to do what a stronger woman would and that is follow through with the charges because she feel bad for him. Women kill me with this shit they get into relationships with these men who are prone to violence and want to keep it secret because they “love” this man who is a jekyl and hyde character. So what if he give you all the attention in the world with one hand if he beats you with the other. SMDH She just set the tone for a generation. Shame on you Chris Brown for beating a woman like that and Shame on you Rhi Rhi for making the world think it is okay because you miss your boo boo.

  • AvaSpeaks

    INSIDE STORY: Could Chris Brown End Up in Jail?
    By Ken Lee

    Originally posted Friday February 27, 2009 07:00 AM EST
    Chris Brown

    Photo by: Marco Vitchi / Abaca

    Misdemeanor or felony?

    As police wind down their investigation of Chris Brown in the alleged beating of Rihanna earlier this month, ultimately the injuries suffered by the victim will determine whether the singer faces a charge carrying a likely penalty of probation – or time behind bars.

    So far, no charges of any sort have been filed against Brown, 19, who was arrested Feb. 8 in Los Angeles after allegedly assaulting the R&B star. He was booked by police for making criminal threats – a felony – but the case has not yet been presented to the District Attorney, who will ultimately determine which charges, if any, will be prosecuted.

    As shocking as the high-profile case has been, experts say that even ugly-looking domestic assaults don’t necessarily mean automatic jail terms, because misdemeanor charges are overwhelmingly filed in such cases.

    For a first-time defendant, which Brown would be, the charge would hinge largely on how badly the victim was hurt. Factors such as a victim’s cooperation with authorities, or whether the victim initiated the struggle, are less important.

    “After examining police photos, medical records or reviewing victim statements, the injuries usually speak for themselves,” says L.A. criminal defense attorney Jeffery Rubenstein, who is not involved in the Brown case. “Either they rise to a felony level or they don’t.”

    Probation and Counseling
    Brown has no known criminal record, and police have yet to officially release any evidence from their investigation, though they have referred to the case as “a domestic violence incident … involving entertainer Chris Brown.” They have not formally identified Rihanna, 21, as the victim.

    The distinction between a misdemeanor charge and felony is an important one. A misdemeanor is a crime punishable by up to a year in county jail, but domestic violence cases usually result in probation and counseling. Felonies are punishable by more than a year in state prison.

    Last year, the Los Angeles District Attorney’s Office filed 2,300 misdemeanor domestic violence cases, compared with only 1,327 felonies.

    The Victim’s Role
    Whether a victim taunts or strikes first doesn’t get the attacker off the hook. “The question is whether the attacker used unreasonable force when defending him or herself,” says L.A. criminal defense attorney Susan Haber.

    And even if the victim wants the case to go away, that would not affect whether a suspect is charged or the severity of the criminal counts. “It’s very common for domestic violence victims to be uncooperative,” Haber says. “They may forgive their significant other, blame themselves for having an argument, and want to forget the fight ever happened.”

    She adds: “If the victim’s initial statements corroborate their injuries, that can be enough to file a case.”

  • Honeycream

    They media is trying to push a case. But it’s still one the DA can lose.

  • At The Top Of The T

    Really at this point does it really matter? If it was the other way around and Rhi whooped on Chris would anyone care. I mean there has to be better news out there. Also, I think that is she didnt feel somewhat at fault (not saying that its okay beat up on anyone) do you think she would really be reconsidering their relationship? dont you think her actions say alot, like “well i didnt think it would go this far, as to ruining his ENTIRE life”. Well thats my two-cents.

  • Love Hate

    You know I am so tired of this so-called news about Chris and Rihanna. WTF happened? Nobody knows. All speculation. So, Rihanna got beat down?? IF that is the case why is his fine a$$ not in jail? One minute she got beat down, she is pregnant, or sad in Mexico. The next minute he is an abuser. What abuser rides around on freakin’ skateboards, wears ice cream shirts and takes pictures with adorable puppies? That boy got attacked and snapped. It is very obvious. Even John Legend (among other celebs) said it was not Chris’ character to be violent. F*ck Rihanna, man. She can be just as psycho as Chris, but no…she is a pretty girl and she could never be an agressor. Get the f8ck outta here with you BS. I have never ever dated anyone who even dared to lift a finger to me. I have dated men whose exes stepped to them like men right in front of me, but these men were smart enough to walk away. One of them snapped and choked the sh*t out of the girl after she slapped him and cursed. Nothing happened to him, but these are men dealing with ignorant, lying, violent women. So, Chris is a teenager. What he did was no doubt wrong, but what would you do if you were driving and your ex or soon-to-be ex snapped on you? Would you not fight back? If you were a man do you not know most of the time that if you wanted to fight back you could seriously hurt a woman because of the nature of your strength? I am a woman. I see it like it is. You step to a man like a man you are going to get beat down like a man at some point in your life. Violence is wrong whether it is perpetrated by men or women. However, people have to defend themselves. If he let her slap and beat the sh*t out of him you would be calling a p*ssy talking about how he was soft and a faggot. Get off these kids back and let them move on past this kiddie crap. if it turns out Rihanna was wrong and attacked him first I want to see you put her down just like you are doing him. Bigots! I like both of them by the way.

  • Ooh Baby Boy

    Ooh…Damn Chris looks good. I am getting ready to go take a shower.

  • Rihanna may not be so innocent

    Did you not just mention in the headlines the other day that Rihanna started the fight? In my opinion he had the right to defend himself. It may not be right in the eyes of the public or in a court of law, but there is no way I am going to let someone go off on me while driving or at any point in my life. I am not a violent person either. If someone gets bruised or cut or whatever in the process of me defending myself too bad. It is about my safety too. My dad started choking me when I was younger in a drunken rage and I thought I was going to die. My mother and my daughter were losing it. They did not know what to do. I told them to call the police while he was on top of me choking me and they came and took him to jail. He did not get a record because some of the cops knew our family and what a “good” family we were, but they still kept him for several days to teach him a lesson. Until this very day, he still drinks, he still has the potential to be violent, he still can’t get over the bruises I put on him while fighting for what I thought could end up very serious – like death. I was shocked at all of the bruises on him. I had never fought anyone before. He went off for no reason at all. Now, if Chris was thrown off by her violence and responded to it as he did that would be her fault (in my eyes) that she got b*tch slapped and bruised. You dish it then you got to eat what you are serving.

  • new new

    Beautiful…

  • http://dmariefashion.wordpress.com/2009/02/27/chris-browns-cout-date-is-pushed-back/ Chris Brown’s Cout Date is Pushed BACK « Dmariefashion’s Blog

    [...] his court date may be getting pushed back: CHRIS BROWN’s day in court over his alleged fight with girlfriend RIHANNA could be postponed while police gather more evidence, according to the Los Angeles district [...]

  • priscila

    eu adoro muito vcs dois e i love you bjosssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss

  • http://adreia andreia

    vcs os dois para min (criss brown e riana)
    sao os melhores amigos de toda a vida.
    love
    adoro vos BJSSS

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