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So true! I am in my late 20′s and none of the marches in my lifetime have made a bit of difference in society. Not one of them has bought about any kind of change, in my lifetime(I say again!)

Jesse’s time has passed.

The crabs in a barrel mentality of certain establishment blacks towards Obama (while simultaneously trying to big up the Clintons, most of them) is disgusting. Jesse’s only difference is in endorsing Edwards. Michelle Obama was onto something, when she made her statement about the fear certain black folks had about Obama’s candidacy.

Not even the million spanish people march(I forgot the official name of it), I don’t know what it was for or what it accomplished???

JESSE MAD CAUSE HE LOST

HILLARY OVER OBAMA WHY PEOPLE

I HATE POLITICS

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eff sleezy Jackson.. Obama’s got the big “O” in his corner.. This is what killed your campaign in the 80′s, Jesse…. That single-minded thinking.. Don’t get me twisted, yes we need help but we gotta help ourselves too and not pull the victim card all the time.. Barack has got to appeal to everyone to be the Prez.

I am so tired of old, hustler Jackson and his shady sidekick Al Sharpton. Both of these fools walk around with a kingdom in their heads and they are the rulers!! Both of them have lined their pockets pimping those so-called civil rights organizations they run which are nothing but their private bank account. Jackson just cannot let go, eve Dr. King was suspicious of his motives, saying that Jesse was more out for himself than he was for the movement. With his massive ego, it it just too hard for him to step aside and let the younger, more educated crowd, folks who actually understand how the world turns, voice their views and energize our standing in America. Young black leaders understand that it is about money and power and you won’t have either one without education and a drastic change of mind and heart. King Jackson and Sharpton play on peoples emotions and where will that get you. Focuse on the mind and use it to think, don’t let your emotions think for you. All these name-calling mess, crying and moaning over racism crap is just pathetic.

find a hole and jump in, jesse and al! our generation is not feeling your bull!

i hope Barack continues stays on the right track tho…

I’m so sick of Jesse Jackson’s “we are the victims, everybody owes us something” rasict ass.

I don’t understand why black people would vote for Hillary Clinton over Barack Obama. I mean for the 1st time in history we have an educated black man with political experience running for president and the majority of us want to vote for Hillary Clinton? This is why we can never unite as a people. We are always ready to put our own down! Get with it guys those candidates don’t really care about the plight of African Americans (Republican or Democratic) but out of all those candidates the person who seems to care the most is Barck Obama. It’s so obvious that Hillary just wants our vote. Her husband probably liked black people more than she did. Don’t just think that her winning will revive the Clinton era because she and her husband have 2 totally different agendas.

daone

Not even the million spanish people march(I forgot the official name of it),

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‘who needs laws, when you’ve got numbers?’ day. i don’t know how that translates in Reconquista. maybe that tax-payer funded statue in los angeles talking about ‘we will conquer you’, or whatever, has the full text.

and before anyone says anything, all the candidates talk out of both sides of their mouths on *that* issue. Jesse still needs to sit his ass down; white folks can crown leaders for black folks. They can also take those crowns away when the extortion and the face muggings and the ‘i’ll scratch your backs’ and the political versions of catholic indulgences no longer hold the same weight as they did in the past.

And the reason most blacks are voting for Hillary is, it’s mostly black women-one, and they think Hillary has a better chance than Barack cause she’s a white lady-two. My man Edward thinks Barack is a token negro; the Democrats personally picked him cause he’s a light-skinned black man, hence, he will not be as scary or threatening to white Americans as a dark skinned black man. E thinks the Democrats are using Obama is an instrument to get the black vote-but not produce results. It’s not like my man doesn’t have a point either; Democrats was the main political party in FAVOR of JIM CROW LAWS. What they did in the 1970′s and 1980′s is, simply SWITCH to conservative Republican-which in honestly, taps into a belief system like the Klu Klux Klan about “true christians”….

What I am saying is, just because Barack Obama is black doesn’t mean he will get the black vote, automatically. What I think is, white and some of black America will pick a white lady over a black man, and then, they will pick an white man over a white lady.

PREACH!!! I felt the same way recently when Emperor Al Sharpton and his wily bunch rolled into Washington to the Justice Building demanding No Justice. No Peace! I live in the ghetto and how I would have loved to see those buses filled with Al’s lackeys, cronies, and the unemployed folks he loads up to drive to his rallies; tumble out of those buses screaming No Justice, No Peace!! To all these low-down, no good, self-hating Black criminal drug dealers, killers, rapist and out-and- thugs, who terrorize us and constantly try to desroy our communities and every decent, hard=working Black person in this country.

This is the same man who had a kid out of wedlock with this mistress. Seems like he is just as guilty of adding “The catastrophic crisis that engulfs the African-American community goes without mention”

Jeese. Hoe.Sit.Down

No one supports Jenna six, them fools was on myspace flashing money that people gave to their relief fund. I never jumped on that Jena 6 bandwagon from the jump. Speaking of what has he done to curve black poverty issues beside run his mouth.

With that said, black folks are in poverty because of their own doing. You either go to college or not, your choice, but don’t be expecting handouts, society shouldn’t have to take care of you. But Jeese needs to do more if he going to criticize others for not doing more. If not shut up, and let ppl take care of their own problems.

Anonymous

I don’t understand why black people would vote for Hillary Clinton over Barack Obama. I mean for the 1st time in history we have an educated black man with political experience running for president and the majority of us want to vote for Hillary Clinton? This is why we can never unite as a people. We are always ready to put our own down! Get with it guys those candidates don’t really care about the plight of African Americans (Republican or Democratic) but out of all those candidates the person who seems to care the most is Barck Obama. It’s so obvious that Hillary just wants our vote. Her husband probably liked black people more than she did. Don’t just think that her winning will revive the Clinton era because she and her husband have 2 totally different agendas.

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Correct me if I interpreted this wrong but are you saying we should all vote for Obama b/c he’s black??

@Jus Another Opinion

Your last two threads above are beautiful. I feel the same way but when ever I say it black folks accuse me of be a house kneegrow or a sell out. It’s so funny to me b/c what I am saying is what I experienced. I just want more of my people to rise above the situation that was given to them but I’m beginning to question how many really want to.

Edwards is saying that Obama is a token Negro because he knows that it would divide us. So what if he is light skinned? The man has an ivy league education and he was a senator. And unlike a lot of black men who successful, he is married to a DARK skinned black woman. I think its obvious what Edwards is trying to do and its sad and stupid that some of us are taking the bait. White men have pulled this trick during slavery, colonialism in Africa, and other points in history and unfortunately it always worked to our detriment. At this rate we will never have the so called RIGHT black candidate because some of us are always so quick to devalue our own and pick a white person to rescue us. SMH!

Bill Cosby addressed “Black” issues and got hung by his own people for doing it.

There is a reason Jesses Presidential campaign failed. He is considered too polarizing. White people are the majority and they will not vote for a black person they think is mainly going to cater to blacks. If we were the majority, we wouldnt vote for a white person that we believed was mainly going to cater to whites.

I’m not necessarily sold on Obama but, his only chance at getting elected is to win as many white votes as possible. That means he cant give the appearance of any kind of favortism towards blacks.

Hillary has an advantage here. She can lie all she wants and make all of the promises she wants to black people. Other whites wont see that as a threat b/c no matter how good she claims to be able to make it for minorities, she will not jeopardize her own in the process.

TELL JESSIE TO SIT DOWN OR GO WALK HIS OUT OF WEDLOCK DAUGHTER TO SCHOOL. MARCHES DO NOTHING BUT INCREASE HIS VISIBILITY AND FATTEN HIS POCKETS. DON’T BELIEVE THE MEDIA HYPE MOST BLACKS SUPPORT OBAMA. THEY ARE TRYING TO TEAR US A PART EVEN FARTHER. JESSIE -NO ONE UNDER 50 CARES WHAT YOU THINK

@ AND… I am not saying that we should just vote for him because he is black. For instance, if it were Al Sharpton or Jay Z running for president I wouldn’t say that we should vote for them. Instead, I would say that we should vote for any other candidate by any means necessary lol. Barack Obama is the first qualified black male that we had in a long time that is running for president and its sad that most of our people would pick Hillary over him.

Jus Another Opinion

With that said, black folks are in poverty because of their own doing.

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Are you able to back that up with any sources? Or are you only interested in running your mouth for the sake of running your mouth?

Amen Jus Another Opinion!!

Jesse needs to go check in on his school age child and baby mama and sit down somewhere. I give Jesse and Al credit for the past, but come on . . . times have changed.

Obama would have damaged himself and put the first black PRESIDENCY on the line for the Jenna Six who ended up showing their azz on myspace days later.

Until our community deals with our “urban agenda” in our own homes/lives/communities, don’t expect others to take us seriously.

The more these niccas hate, the beter for Obama. You can’t convince me that he doesn’t want to do right by our community just because he has to look at the big picture to get elected.

I’m sorry, not only did he not mention Obama’s name, but Jesse didn’t even halfwaykindasorta hint at referring to O. He mentioned a group of people that happens to include Barack.

There’s a lot to clown Jesse for, but this is really grasping at straws.

What political experience?

I for one do NOT like any of these canidates.

I see no one addressing true issues.

No one’s addressing education with a for real plan to keep United States Children competing with their counterparts.

No one is addressing North Korea/Iran/Russia/Dubia.

None of them addresses the stolen funds that constantly go on in large 500 Corporations which depletes the average incomes retirement.

No ones addressing health care on a real basis.

None of them are addressing Eminate Domians.

Which canidate has a formula on Arab affairs?

How are we going to get the dollar value up to par with Euro doillars?

What are their platforms?

on the real 2008 elections is going to be a wake up call.

Their too busy arguing personal sh^t

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i plan on voting for hillary. i initially was torn betwixt hillary and barack, but the deciding factor came down to one issue, since they for the most part, are similar on the isues. i really hope people dont vote for obama just because hes black-thats really the wrong reason. i mean, colin powell could run and i definetly wouldnt vote for him because he most likely being a republican doesnt share my same views on this issues. and im really sick of jesse jackson and al sharpton, everytime i hear them on the radio or see them on tv flapping their gums i just have to change the station, as they do not speak for me!

I wouldn’t vote for Obama because I see him as a simple puppet. All the rhetoric and melanin in the world is not going to make me vote for a person I don’t feel is worthy. I don’t vote Democratic, unless the candidate would be close to someone like Kucinich.

Ron Paul seems ‘different’ from the establishment, but I would never vote Republican no matter how much I like the candidate.

I’m against the two-party system in America, therefore I’m not sure what I’m going to do.

But, of course, we’re going to go to war with Iran, and all hail will break lose!

***Elle is right and this is why i am not voting!!!

OBAMA = AIPAC PUPPET.

kdogg

Bill Cosby addressed “Black” issues and got hung by his own people for doing it.

There is a reason Jesses Presidential campaign failed. He is considered too polarizing. White people are the majority and they will not vote for a black person they think is mainly going to cater to blacks. If we were the majority, we wouldnt vote for a white person that we believed was mainly going to cater to whites.

I’m not necessarily sold on Obama but, his only chance at getting elected is to win as many white votes as possible. That means he cant give the appearance of any kind of favortism towards blacks.

Hillary has an advantage here. She can lie all she wants and make all of the promises she wants to black people. Other whites wont see that as a threat b/c no matter how good she claims to be able to make it for minorities, she will not jeopardize her own in the process.

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I must admit your logic in on point with this one.

Hillary won the black vote when she spoke in a black church and proclaimed “I don’t feel no ways tired!” Thats all black people need to hear…a white person using a “black” phrase. That solidified her cadidacy. Not to mention that Bill Clinton was the “first Black President” PLEASE!

Why! Because he smoked weed, played the sax, and got head from a woman that wasnt his wife?

I wonder which black folks that they are polling. All of my friends (and I am black, and a baptist), support Obama. Hillary is no where on anyones radar. She is a proven liar and she has no substance. I guess the revolution will definetly not be televised, because I can not see Hillary as being electable. The sorriest GOP nominee will be able to beat her. IMO.

We shall overcome some day! Get it together Jesse Messy this Jena 6 stuff has gotten on my ever lasting nerve! Next!

nahnah

Jus Another Opinion

With that said, black folks are in poverty because of their own doing.

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Are you able to back that up with any sources? Or are you only interested in running your mouth for the sake of running your mouth?

Must you come in here with this. You know just like I know that black Americans are poor because of their choices. Don’t front.

Anonymous, “It’s so obvious that Hillary just wants our vote. Her husband probably liked black people more than she did.”

– yeah, she goes for half-pakistani/half-indians instead. That Huma chick is fine. And seriously, yes she does just want our vote. I’m beginning to wonder about Clinton and his ‘likes’, myself, to tell you the truth.

Oppie Cunningham, “Ok I need to know this as I’m from the Uk but do Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton have actual jobs”

– Jesse used to. Al never did. Jesse had problems before his mistress and secret baby were revealed, but the way he embezzeled funds to pay for both just cemented his fall from grace. Al is a charlatan, case closed. I do wonder how much it chaffs both of them that it is OBAMA who is referred to as the first *real* black candidate, as ordained by white folks? Al probably doesn’t give a screw; but if I was Jesse, I’d be mad.

helltothanaw, “eff sleezy Jackson.. Obama’s got the big “O” in his corner.. This is what killed your campaign in the 80’s, Jesse…. That single-minded thinking.. Don’t get me twisted, yes we need help but we gotta help ourselves too and not pull the victim card all the time.. Barack has got to appeal to everyone to be the Prez.”

– preach. preach. and preach on, helltothanaw. the old ways aren’t working. even the ‘old ways’ were radically new when they were being employed. we need new thinking. we need help. but we don’t need divisiveness and the old racial games. have you seen the new stats out about earning power? guess who gained most? guess who fell off most? what have the old guard ‘black leaders’ done for us lately? and what part did the Clintons play in it?

Looking at the end results of the Jena 6 episode its a good thing Obama did’nt go there. The brother don’t need that kind of problem now!!

Very well said Kdogg and I couldn’t agree with you more Happy_Chick!

KEEP HOPE A-LIIIVE!!

I’m not voting for any of them, because all the front runners are the same anyway…the man i would vote for (KUCINNICH) doesn’t have a chance in hell…so instead of casting a vote for the lesser evil in the general election, i am not voting for anyone.

Plus with these Electronic voting machines (that are extremely vunerable to hacking) the votes are probably going to be manipulated anyway.

Am I a cynical? lol

Instead of Dollar Signs, you should have given Reverend Baby Daddy green horns. I sense jealousy is the issue here.

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@Jus Another Opinion

Your last two threads above are beautiful. I feel the same way but when ever I say it black folks accuse me of be a house kneegrow or a sell out. It’s so funny to me b/c what I am saying is what I experienced. I just want more of my people to rise above the situation that was given to them but I’m beginning to question how many really want to.

^^^ I know how you feel they say the same thing about me. When I meantion that I am 21yrs old sulf-sufficient, two jobs and no kids, you have ppl on here they will swear I was lying and knock me for it. Instead of being happy for me that I am not another statistic they try and tear me down as you say be labled a house kneegrow. Why tear down someone that is working a 9 to 5 and wants to strive to be more than what is given/not given to them. That is just how black people are. I live in the hood too but I haven’t let that stop be from being all that I can be in life. I still get up and go to work everyday, even though I don’t have all the avalible resources that most have. So ppl need to stop making excuses, Some black people just refuse to man/woman up to that fact that their own wrong doing is the reason they are in poverty. For instance nahnah if you could respond to her, well both of us cause she doen’t have a clue in the world and is lost. Asked me if I had any sources to back up…I will address her, cause she is obviously lost black girl!

elle, “What political experience? I for one do NOT like any of these canidates. I see no one addressing true issues.”

There are no perfect candidates. You have to go with folks records, and who they accept money from and then decide what negatives you’re going to accept with your positives. Since there are no perfect candidates, no one is worth voting for. Since voting may be a done deal anyway (given how blatant the thefts were in 2000 and 2004; and John Kerry’s sick capitulation before the last votes were in after promising he wouldn’t do that) maybe only fools bother to vote, or worry about the process at all. Maybe. But maybe not.

As for political experience, how many people in politics do you know who have whatever political experience you’re looking for, who HAVE dealt with the questions you raise to your personal satisfaction? But I like that you’re asking those questions. Just remember that folks get tased for asking them. heh.

I think that Hillary may be leading in the polls becuase most blk voters are female and while there is a lot of support for Obama there is a tear between being a black woman and having a female candidate as well as a having a black candidate.

@Jus Another Opinion

Well I congratulate you. I too have two jobs and no kids. I’m not saying that in arrogance or superiority but celebration. I applaud those that were born into horrible situations and didn’t let that break them down. Nahnah knows what you and I are saying is truth. He or she just doesn’t want to see it.

Forget Jesse! He’s nothing compared to Obama. Obama is an Ivy League educated public servant who has a chance to win the democratic primary and the presidency. He’s not some silly protest candidate like Jackson and Sharpton were. This man is in the game and running it in Iowa, he’s overtaken Hillary in the one state that actually matters. That’s huge. For Jesse to claim that Obama is one of many democrats who’s ignored black issues is ABSURD! The fact is, Jesse is jealous and trying to sabotage this man. Everytime I hear Jesse or Al say something negative about this brotha, I know he must be doing something right. Barack is the truth, and Jesse and Al know it. And they know that all they can ever be are two no good race hustling money grubbin’ fame seeking “black leaders”. Obama is on the path to being the leader of the free world, and he can do it even without ignorant negros hating on him.

Do your thing Barack!!!

@ Nita

I hear you. I’m just very confused in so many areas pertaining to so many things. It scares me.

@Nita

I found nothing wrong with what Bill said or his tone and I don’t know anything about the other things you mentioned (lisa b and Malcolm Jamal) so I can’t speak on that. As for the presidency, I haven’t even thought about it. I don’t see the point in bickering and fighting over them yet. We don’t know who will actually be running for the democratic office. When we get to that point I’ll start my debate but it’s just way too early at this point and too much stuff can happen b/t now and then to get my feathers in a ruffle about it.

@ TS… I was just thinking the same thing. Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson are extremely jealous of Barack Obama.

TS

Oh, yeah. I forgot to mention the Jena 6 stuff. When that went down Jesse said that Obama was “Acting white” because he wasn’t at Jena.

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Exactly!! Thank you, now tell me if a white man had said ” I don’t like Obama anymore. He’s acting to black about the whole Jena 6 thing” people wouldn’t say he was racist. Double standards people. Open your eyes and ears. Al and Jessie are keeping us down not helping us.

Umm, Jackson’s audience confirmed this to be a lie. He never said anything about anybody ‘acting white’.

Dont believe those bull crap polls, first off the Clintons play this poll game. Blacks support Obama 100% he’s getting the new generation to come out to vote. Not that old tired jesse jackson generation that still march singing “we shall over come” please Obama has this hands down and he has the black vote. I mean ask yourself does it really make sense? When hasnt the black community supported any black that wasnt an icon and a pioneer. Obama will go down in history no matter what these Bull crap news papers say.

do yo thang O! that thinking is a way of the past now, move forward and lift up ya people!

Hillary for president! I am voting for her. Why are we expected to vote for Obama just because he is black? He is not getting the DNC nomination. Maybe as a running mate, but not as prez!

@ nahnah

nahnah

Jus Another Opinion

With that said, black folks are in poverty because of their own doing.

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Do I have any sources? Do I ever I am the source, I see it everyday!!! I am still in the hood only because I’m WORKING to get out. I was kicked out of the house at 19 yrs old. So my resources were limited I had to go to the hood, believe me if I could live in a loft I would because I deserve it. I got my 1st of three apartments when I was 19. When I lived in my studio it was newly remolded so it was cool, because it was mine, my own. Most of the people that lived their didn’t work and were on drugs and only about a hand full of them went to school. I broke my lease and moved to my one bedroom apartment(faulty management that’s how I got away with that-only in the hood.) In my 2nd apatment it was income based. OHH MY GOD, 90% of the people had babies and they were under 21. No one went to school, they had dirty looking babies, which I think it a form of child abuse. Just saying! They set fires, pissed in the elevator, would sit garbage bags full of rotten trash in the hallways, dirty the walls with mustard, ketchup and mayo naise,sell drugs had thug boy friends come in and out of the building with weapons, curse out management etc. I live like that for almost 2 yrs. My mother didn’t know how I was living but my father did and I was so ashamed to bring anybody over because ofwhat the other tenents were doing to the complex. I was a one of the handful of girls who were going to school. It was an income based apartment, hell they rent was only $1 and they were on Sect 8….damn! 85% of the women didn’t work but they all had kids, that should be more of a motivation to go and work to provide a better life for them. So it is not like they couldn’t go to school they didn’t’ want to. They wanted handouts, they want ed ppl to feel sorry for them, and unfortunatly society does. Honestly I was so discouraged that I wanted to give up because soecity doen’t give their support to people like me, they bring them down, and uplift ppl that ain’t about nothing. After that I move to where I am at now and it is a beautiful apartment everything is brand new. The only down part about it that they allow the same ignorant people I lived with before to move in. They are still doing SOME of the same stuff, but not to much because they have beef up security and added camera, which got them shook. Where I stay now again most if all have children and don’t work, I live amongst them and CHOOSE not to live that life, because I want more and better for myself. You choose not to work hard in life then you suffer the consequences, don’t expect me and the rest of society to pick up the slack.

@ Elle, i don’t think they don’t want people to know, though. It’s all manipulation. I remember when the Dubai port thunderstorm hit last February, right around the time Cheney tried to kill that attorney with a pellet gun at close range. Hillary Clinton was taking cheap shots on Bush on national security; when come to find out the paper trail proved that her and Bill’s stance were exactly like Bush’ and they were taking the same money Bush was!

That’s worse than Obama telling Hillary to be upfront with her licenses for illegals stance, and then hemming and hawing himself. Obama never said Hillary was a fool and shouldn’t offer those licenses because he never would. He just asked her to be upfront about it.

@ kdogg, I refuse to believe it’s as simple as that… that one phrase. God help us all.

@ Happy_Chick, I don’t know, but obviously they exist for them to be polled in such high numbers. Wonder what happens when people find out more about Obama, though?

And that’s scary about the Republican nominee… particularly because I don’t know what’s going on with them. Poor Ron Paul is even more of a mirror for folks’ desires than Obama is. I’m personally prejudiced against the Mormon Mit Romney because he is a Mormon — and I need to stop that. That’s not cool. I need to know his stances and hate him on that, not because he belongs to a racist cult which rapes little girls and baptises the dead against their will. That’s as silly and ignorant as Catholic hate. Rudy Giuliani should send Osama a dozen roses and a vault of blood diamonds every 9/11. Rudy G has milked that (and his fake Republican-ess) for all it’s worth. Fred Thompson needs to get it together. McCain is a fake.

And…

Must you come in here with this. You know just like I know that black Americans are poor because of their choices. Don’t front.

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Is that why you were on medicaid for so many years? I guess your lazy ass mother was too set in her ignant ass, niggerish ways to pull herself from her own bootstraps instead of happily and eagerly receiving medical handouts from the government? Seriously, whaddup wit dat?

Oh yeah, and the majority of folks on medicaid tend to receive other welfare benefits such as food stamps and funds. So I wonder…

I mean, for real, whaddup wit dat, welfare baby? C’mon, talk to a sista!

Shan, Obama never said vote for me cause I’m black, that’s Hillary playing the white woman victim card, and no one ever calls her phoney behind on it. And why do you think Hillar is better than Obama. I bet like most ignorant black voters, you don’t even know. Just gonna go in th voting booth and check “Clinton” like a good slave.

Exactly… is he just playing the game to WIN or playing the game for the PEOPLE !! I’m for the PEOPLE

I’ll vote for Obama over Hillary, all day everyday. Using her husband’s presidential credentials to get into the White House is no different from W. using his father’s credentials to do the same thing. And after reading the entire article, I still think that Jackson’s op-ed was meant more for Obama than anyone else. So what if John Edwards announced his candidacy in the Ninth Ward? I’m a Katrina evacuee but I am also a lawyer, and so I had the means to eventually relocate and begin my life again, but I still get irritated with politicians who claim that all black people are poor, disenfranchised, uneducated, and shut out of society like the former Ninth Ward residents. To be honest, a lot of people owned their homes in that area, and it was not all black people who lived there, but sweeping generalizations seem to make better news stories. I have concerns that are specific to me as a black woman, but I also have some concerns in common with whites and I don’t want a candidate who will pick and choose what s/he talks to me about solely based on the boxes I check off on the census forms. That is how Jesse Jackson comes across to me.

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Im so proud of you too. You probably don’t hear it often just like I don’t. Keep doing your thing and don’t let the enviornment around you get you down. I know that ONLY you can decide what life you want to live. If others around you choose not to work hard then they will be in the same state they are in. It is not your fault or mine, its their’s and I wish they would stop blaming other people.

A Few Points

1. Why do people keep saying black people support Hillary when in fact it’s mostly BLACK WOMEN!!! Stop speaking in codes. We all know what it is. Many black women, especially professional educated black women, have a problem with a black man being in charge. FACT. They have been bred since slavery to see the WHITE MAN as the leader. Notice how there is no black businessman that gets the respect Oprah gets, even though Bob Johnson, John Johnson, Russel Simmons and Puffy have all put more BLACK WOMEN in executive positions than Oprah has. Think about it.

2. Why do people keep saying Obama is one of our own? He is not. He is Tiger Woods. His father is African and his mother is a WHITE WOMAN! Period. I notice that we have alot of west indians and africans on this site. It’s always interesting to see how they like to separate themselves from black americans when we talk about culture, yet they come in here telling us (AA’s?!? WTF) who the hell WE should vote for. It’s not my fault you people, west indians and africans, don’t have enough numbers to have a major say in the national election. I don’t need fair weather friends. If we are separate when we talk about culture, then we will be separate ALL THE TIME!!! So please go take your political views to migente and share them with your fellow caribbean immigrants. I’m sure the white latinos will appreciate your input!

3. Both Obama and Hillary are for amnesty for illegal aliens. Both of them. What effect will that have on working class black people? Neither of them is a principled politician. They are cut from the same cloth, so stop acting like Obama is some savior just cus his baby mama is brown skinned.

4. Look at Obama. If he wasn’t a lite skinned half breed and he looked like Al Sharpton or Alan Keyes, would there be this much fuss over him? I think not. Not just in music videos, but in politics lite skin pays.

Peace.

I‘m not saying that they’re saints, but I have to come to the defense of Revs. Jackson and Sharpton.

It’s generally conceded that Jackson and Sharpton have associated themselves with good causes, but that they use the causes for self-dealing. Well the Bushes and the Clintons live in pretty nice houses as a result of the causes they’ve championed. And our media doesn’t have a problem with the Beltway being the world capital of ‘pay to play’. But Jackson and Sharpton should be disqualified from public life?

Jackson and Sharpton don’t book themselves into television appearances, the networks call them. Now why would the networks go to the Revs if everyone agrees that they are such scoundrels? Hmmm… I think that the corporate media prefer Sharpton and Jackson for the tiny niche of black TV pundit precisely because the Revs have baggage, which allows a quick switch from analyzing the latest racist outrage to attacking the messenger and dismissing the complaint as bogus.

nahnah

And…

Must you come in here with this. You know just like I know that black Americans are poor because of their choices. Don’t front.

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Is that why you were on medicaid for so many years? I guess your lazy ass mother was too set in her ignant ass, niggerish ways to pull herself from her own bootstraps instead of happily and eagerly receiving medical handouts from the government? Seriously, whaddup wit dat?

Oh yeah, and the majority of folks on medicaid tend to receive other welfare benefits such as food stamps and funds. So I wonder…

I mean, for real, whaddup wit dat, welfare baby? C’mon, talk to a sista!

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First let me say I’m surprised you would actually stoop so low but I’ll get down there with you so you can understand me better. You’re right. My lazy junkie mother had two daughters out of wedlock and by the grace of God neither of us were born in drugs in our systems and b/c my grandmother didn’t want Child Services to take us she raised us. Mind you my mother’s older sister, my aunt did the exact same thing, so my grandmother not only raised all 5 of her children but raised all 4 of her granddaughters while taking care of her elderly diabetic mother and working full time at a penitentiary. I find it comical that you think you can put me down by quoting some of what I said the day I posted that and not all of it. I was on Medicaid until I was 18 years old (i have no medical insurance right now) and went off to college. My grandmother was not lazy and she sure as hell wasn’t wasteful so what does any of your unsuccessful attack on me personally have to do with my original statement?

oh my Nita….did you hit it with Giuliani or what and he’s the Republican nominee…yikes…

Nita

But I like that you’re asking those questions. Just remember that folks get tased for asking them. heh.

“Don’t tase me bro!!!” LOL.. I’m sorry, I couldn’t resist…I’m bad for that… Yeah, you’re right.. John Kerry knows he should have done something about that… Oh well, I’m not surprised.. It is John Kerry, I’m talking about.. go figure…

I support Obama & I will most certainly vote for him when that time comes. But as Jesse said I hope he does take the begin to support issues that are specific to my people. If he is “playing the game” to get elected so he can have a forum to better bring our issues to light that’s fine. But if he is “playing the game” gets elected, and still doesnt undertake black issues then he is no different from any other white canidate.

Open your eyes people and wait to see what he does when he get in office before we anoint him.

I’m glad Obama didn’t speak out against that white family in West Virginia that raped that black girl. It would have hurt his image.

Barack Obama 3008

@Jus Another Opinion

I see you had to handle nahnah as well. It’s cool though people like you and me use people like nahnah to make us better. I swear your life story and mine are soooo similar. I’m so glad to see that I’m not the only one.

After reading a lot of these comments, I have to say that I am extremely disappointed in some of ya. First off I have every intention of voting for Hilary Clinton, not because I have some ‘crabs in the barrel mentality,’ but because I look @ the FACTS. For starters, Obama doesn’t have enough experience in politics to be our next president, the state that our country’s in right now, we need someone that’s experienced and knows what they’re doing. Secondly, I think people need to remember all the things that Hilary was doing while she was the first lady. Hilary initiated many programs that helped benefit women and minorities…tuition reimbursements programs, she also designated a plan for healthcare (that was rejected by Congress). Bottom line, I think ya need to stop hating on Hilary! Just because Obama is an intelligent black man, doesn’t mean we should automatically vote for him! People need to review all the facts before for whomever they vote for, I just hope ya are unbiased when that time comes. Peace

@Ashley

I agree that voting for someone just b/c of their race is wrong, but so is voting just because of their political party.

The Democratic Party has the majority of Black America fooled. Blacks are the Dems ride-or-die bottom Bi@tches. The party as a whole takes us for granted because they know that no matter what, we will vote for them.

The Republicans have decided to stop wasting their time seriously trying to win our votes b/c it is a waste of time. They have written our votes off as a loss. They have instead focused their attention on the new larger minority—the Hispanics!

Our votes have no power if we just give them away. We need to make the candidates work for our votes, and hold them accountable when they are elected. Do not vote straight party ticket.

And another thing, nobody on this thread really knows what Obama’s intentions/plans for this country is anyway…he’s basically saying the same things as the other candidates. What makes him so much better than Hilary? At least when it comes to Hilary, you can look @ the things that she did while she first lady…and then you can view the things that she’s done since her husband’s time in office. I have complete and utter faith that Hilary has the best intentions for our country and I know she’ll do an excellent job in office!

Clinton 2008!

@Jus Another Opinion

Ignore nahnah. Treat him like the majority of us treat Uncle Kracka… matter of fact hell nahnah probably is Uncle Kracka. One show up the other disapears..hmmmm….as 50 said “Go head and switch the style up and if they hate then let ‘em hate and watch the money pile up.”

@ Jus Another Opinion

Keep doin’ your thing baby girl.. Keep your head up and keep fightin’.. I don’t know you, but when I hear about people like you tryin’ to better themselves, all I can do is give my words of encouragement… You need that, especially when there’s always someone around the corner tryin’ to crush your dreams or tear you down.

Angel-minded,

Obama has more years in elected office that Hillary Clinton. And most importantly, if she has so much more expericence, why did she vote to send us into Iraq, yet Obama spoke out against it from the start. The fact is, it’s judegment that matters. Barack Obama had the judgement to come out against the war, while Hillary voted to send our young black men and women off to an illegal war to die. And you think it’s ok to vote for this woman? Please.

And…

So I was right. I knew I was.

So it seems to me as if you come from a family of lazies. But what your granny should have done was find a better paying job so you and your clan wouldn’t have to receive handouts from the government.

nahnah

And…

So I was right. I knew I was.

So it seems to me as if you come from a family of lazies. But what your granny should have done was find a better paying job so you and your clan wouldn’t have to receive handouts from the government.

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Maybe your right but dispite all the stupid, off topic stuff you’re spitting now the original statement is still true. Considering the outcome I think my grandmother did an okay job.

Angel-minded,

you need to educate and quit lying. you want to know where Obama stand? go to his website and he has tons of info about not only what he’s done, but what he will do.

you claimed that we can go and see what Hillary did as First Lady. guess, what? That’s a lie, you know why. She refuses to release her White House papers until 2009, so the voters can’t see all this stuff that she claims that she did. Go look it up. you are truly ignorant and need to educate youself. But it’s no suprised. Polls show that the more educated people are about the election, the more likely they are to vote Obama. The less educated about the election support Clinton. So it’s obvious that someone like you, who doesn’t know what they’re talking about, supports Hillary.

Just in case y’all didn’t know. Kdogg is right. Obama, despite how qualified he is and his intentions, will not win. The US is comprised of roughly 72% whites. All the minorities put together could not get him into office if we all voited for him.

I just want to keep it short I love KDogg’s comments(so true you are speaking logically and not emotionally) and AND.. and Jus Another Opinions you girls do ya thang and stay in school and become sucessful at whatever y’all do

@dani

‘preciate the love.

@ TS

When will people let that go?? LOL

First off she (along w/ the rest of the country) were lied to. Hilary voted on the information that was given @ the time, how can she be labeled a liar?

Okay, so Obama voted against the war, that still is not enough justification for me (as well as many other americans) to vote for him. I’m sorry but he’s just does not have enough experience. And because of the state of our country we can’t afford to make another mistake in who’s elected president. You’ve already seen what’s happened when an non-experienced idiot got into office…lol…not to say that Obama’s an idiot, but my point is still very valid.

AND,

Obama has no problem appealing to Whites. he’s now leading in the crucial state of Iowa. It’s black people who are hating on him.

Polls show that the more educated people are about the election, the more likely they are to vote Obama. The less educated about the election support Clinton. So it’s obvious that someone like you, who doesn’t know what they’re talking about, supports Hillary.

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Real talk.

NO WATSON THE MEDIA CONSTANTLY CALLS ON THE EMPEROR REVEREND’S BECAUSE THEY BOTH HAVE A YOU SCRATCH MY BACK, I WILL SCRATCH YOURS CONTRACT GOING ON. THE CRAZY ASS LIBERALS IN THE MEDIA HAVE NO RESPECT FOR BLACK PEOPLE AND THINK THAT WE ALL THINK ALIKE SO WHY BOTHER EVEN SEARCHING FOR A DIFFERENT OF VIEW. CNN, USA TODAY, NBC, CBS, MEDIA MATTERS AND ALL THE REST OF THOSE WILD-EYED LIBERAL LEFT-OVERS FROM THE 1960′S, DON’T REALLY LIKE US. AND WILL TAKE EVERY OPPORTUNITY THEY CAN TO SHOW US UP AS EITHER WHINING, COMPLAINING CRYBABIES, OR AS OUT OF CONTROL CRIMINALS. IT JUST BREAKS THEIR HEARTS TO DO A POSITIVE STORY ABOUT BLACK AMERICA, BECAUSE THEY WANT THE REST OF THE COUNTRY TO SEE US AS NOTHING BUT TROUBLEMAKERS. NEXT TIME THE MEDIA CALLS ONE OF THE PREACHER, SELF-PROCLAIMED EMPERORS,(jACKSON AND SHARPTON), THEY SHOULD TAKE A PASS AND SAY, NO THANK YOU, I don’t speak for Black America.

For all of you people who are in your twenties and said the marches didn’t make a difference. Let me ask you a question. Are you still sitting at the back of the bus. Does a military have to come and escort you to school because there are white students in their. Are you going to the restroom for colored only. Are you not allow to go into any store that you want to go in and shop. It is such a disgrace for your ancestor for you all to be so high and mighty and think the struggles, sacrifices, humilitation, humbleness, disrespect, and just treated like less than a human being just so we could make a statement that those marches really didn’t mean a thing too me.

Let me tell you something. You take away affirmative action and you will see just how much those marches meant.

Jessie Jackson is wrong and he is jealous. He does not know what Mr. Obama has up his sleeves for the problems in our community. I don’t think John Edwards has a plan either. He just heard that blacks are split down the middle so he is trying to get those votes.

You let politicians get an inkling that they don’t need the black vote anymore and see what will happen to you Ms. I am in my twenties and those marches don’t mean anything to me.

If you don’t know your past you are doomed to repeat it. Take a look around you if you don’t believe that statement.

Mr. Obama himself would not be running if it were not for those so call useless marches. Please educate yourself before you try to make a statement about anything.

TS

not all black people hate on Obama just the ones that want him to become favorable towards Blacks..and that’s just as racist as the whites being favorable to whites

@ TS

Less educated? You must be joking! So why is, it that Hilary’s proposal for healthcare was public knowledge? Or the tuition reimbursement programs?? I mean help me to understand, since according to your knowledge I’m less educated?

@professor

You make a very good point in your last post.

@TS

I agree but they are not going to vote for him (at least I don’t think so). It’s like Sun Goddess said there is a rank in which people would rather have. Some would rather a woman run the country than a black man even if they don’t like Hilary. Sad but true. I don’t really want to get into a debate about cuz honestly I haven’t paid any attention to all the hype. Like I said it’s way tooo early in the game to get my feathers ruffled up.

None of these candidates move the boat . We need a new party .

The people that are voting for Obama aren’t voting for him because of what he stands for, they’re voting for him because he’s a positive representative for black people. So clearly all the less educated ones are voting for Obama.

@ AND, Helltothenaw and Dani and others that I may have forgotten.

Y’all getting me all emotioanl at work and stuff. I’m a hold it down though, I’m a soldier. lol I appreciate the luv, and I wish you all the best as well. Again, thanks for the support.

@ Angel-Minded

The poll that TS referred to about more educated people voting for Obama was in the New York Times.

Ppl vote for whoever they want to vote for. That’s part of what all those marches was about.

Jesse Jackson needs to keep quiet about all the candidates. At least none of them are impregnating ppl outside their marriage and calling themselves reverend. He’s a disgrace to Martin Luther, Medgar Evers, any of the black leaders of the past, most of whom he marched right along side of. Can’t believe he’s still trying to portray himself as a leader of black ppl. Kneegrow please sit down somewhere.

Obama for 2008!!!!

@ Professor

That may be true, but I guarantee that Hilary will be the next president. I do hope that she’ll take Obama as Vice Pres tho

@ Angel_Minded and TS

You guys are overgeneralizing on why people vote for Hillary and Obama it doesn’t make them uneducated if they vote for one of the other as long ass they asses vote for this upcoming election..i think both Obama and Hillary have good points however calling people names because they are in favor of a presidential candidate is really childish..however i am aware of the ignorance of people voting for a particular candidate because of obama is black or hillary is a woman..lol..but that’s not the case for all

Angel Minded, I’m voting for Obama because of his policies and because he represents global change and understand the Muslim world. He is the only cadidate who can lead this country out of these pasts 16 years of divisiveness and several years of an illegal war.

And what I said is true, go read the polls. they consistently show the the more educated a person is about the issues, the more likely they support Obama, vice versa for Hillary. You yourself have shown just how ignorant you are, making an absurd claim that Obama doesn’s have stances on issues. Idiot. Go read a damn book, you Clinton slave.

@ Angel_Minded

Don’t get me wrong — should Hillary win the nomination, I’ll vote for her over Rudy “I’m riding 9/11 into the White House” Giuliani or Mitt “Used Car Salesman” Romney or John “I’m getting too old for this” McCain.

@TS

LMAO! Clinton slave?

Okay, you know what, I’ll leave you to your ignorance…but you and I both know that the only way that Obama will see the Whitehouse is through Vice President…lol…if he’s lucky. Peace

Black people are doomed. Barack Obama is what we fought the civil rights movement for. We didn’t fight it for Hillary “I’m riding in on my name” Clinton. Y’all need to wise up.

helltothanaw

@ Jus Another Opinion

Keep doin’ your thing baby girl.. Keep your head up and keep fightin’.. I don’t know you, but when I hear about people like you tryin’ to better themselves, all I can do is give my words of encouragement… You need that, especially when there’s always someone around the corner tryin’ to crush your dreams or tear you down.

^^^^^ @ AND.. I didn’t mean to leave you out honey.. You do your thang too… Stay shinin’.. Never stop..

@Angel_Minded

So exactly what does Hillary represent? What is her experience? Do you care about her “YES” war vote. The people that voted “NO” for the war had the same info that the people that voted “YES” had. Hillary voted “YES” for the war Some record!

Hillary’s Resume

1. Married to the “First Black President of the USA”

2. Voted “YES” to the Iraq War Resolution, and subsequent needless loss of American lives.

3. Quoted James Cleveland in a Black Church with “I don’t feel no ways tired!”

4. Involved with questionable and suspect fundraising scandals

5.The Whitewater scandal and Travelgate

6. She voted for the Patriot Act(that allows the govt to spy on its citizens)

Impressive!

@ kdogg -

I’ve already addressed these issues in previous posts. Read.

Why yall niggras frontin, studys shows that niggras dont vote. A while back i did my own african safari by drivin to the hood to check out the votin stashuns an there was nary a soul in line to regastor they vote. The only time niggras get in line is to ply for welfare or to get somethin for nothin, hell its 2007 an yall still komplainin bout how yall cant read an how us whites are keepin you down, well gess what, yall doin a our job for us. Heh, heh.

In a perfect world…

The best candidate, would be one that was wise,honest and fair, regardless of their race, gender, or political party.

My vote will be for the candidate that I “think” is the closest to having those qualities. none stand out right now, but I know that neither Rudy or Hillary fit the bill.

helltothanaw

helltothanaw

@ Jus Another Opinion

Keep doin’ your thing baby girl.. Keep your head up and keep fightin’.. I don’t know you, but when I hear about people like you tryin’ to better themselves, all I can do is give my words of encouragement… You need that, especially when there’s always someone around the corner tryin’ to crush your dreams or tear you down.

^^^^^ @ AND.. I didn’t mean to leave you out honey.. You do your thang too… Stay shinin’.. Never stop..

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Thanks. It’s kool. I knew you meant to all those doing the right thing.

Newsflash criticizing your own people will never get you anywhere cuz what ever you say about your own reflects on you. FOOLS

^^^Isn’t that what you are doing to us now criticizing us. Hoe. Sit. Down. You are full of it, obviosuly you are jealous and ignorant!

@ Secret

Remain just that.. a secret. Cause you sound insecure and jealous. Hoe. Sit .Down I promise I love that phrase! just giving omage!

@Jus Another Opinion

I didn’t understand his/her post either. Neither of us have been talking about the presidential stuff (i gave two cents briefly but notthing serious) and all the other stuff was outta know where. That’s why I’m like what are you talking about?

@ AND

I don’t know why she threw our name in the mix, we had to side address nannah cause of her ignorance. But other than that we commented on the post, so why Secret actin so jealousy and stupid for is beside me. She need to fall back and remain just that….Secret. ugh!

Angel-Minded,

No one said you have to support him because he’s black, and you Clinton supporters always claim thats the case. And then in the same sentence, you turn around and claim that he can’t win BECAUSE he is black. So you’re are canceling yourself out. You say you don’t want to be held to a racial standard, yet you dismiss him because he is black. Quit projecting your issues about black people in power onto white voters. The point is, you won’t consider voting for him simply because he is black, and that is the truth.

So, what has Hillary done for women and children and minorities that Obama has not done. I bet you can’t name one thing. And how will Hillary being president effect global change. I’d really like to hear you argue this.

Angel_Eyes said: @ kdogg -

I’ve already addressed these issues in previous posts. Read.

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No you didn’t. I didnt see where you addressed:

1.Watergate

2.Travelgate

3.delaying the release of records from her husband’s administration

4.Fundraising scandals

5. voting for the Patriot act

and most of all your excuse for her YES vote on the Iraq war was pathetic. You said:

“When will people let that go??…First off she (along w/ the rest of the country) were lied to. Hilary voted on the information that was given @ the time, how can she be labeled a liar?

Excuse me but everyone didn’t vote for the war Iraqui war resolution. It passed the Senate on October 11 by a vote of 77-23. Those that voted “NO” had the SAME INFORMATION that Clinton had.

Jesse Jackson is as corrupt as can be. I have a friend that works for a gov. related agencey in Jesse’s hometown of Greenville, SC. Jesse shows up once a year to collect a check to keep quiet about something that went down there. I suppose if Obama paid Jesse he would be quiet and supportive. I wouldn’t doubt if Jesse Jackson is on Edward’s payroll.

Jus,

I can handle myself, hun. I think you and ANd.. harbor a lot of ignorance. You guys are angry and misguided. And it’s a shame that the way you guys deal with your problems is by downing those who have not survived like you guys have.

And both of you ghetto dwellers are obvious hypocrites since your life stories are quite similiar to those you love to put down. What a shame!

I’m a proud black woman…and i like to think of myself as a progressive person – in that I will not vote for a candidate because he or she is black…but I will vote for them because they are in line with my political ideologies….

but for the life of me, I don’t understand why blacks support Hillary OVER Obama – I mean, Hillary is not qualified in anyway and she’s hasn’t been consistent on any issues during her campaign.

So next time you decide to down (and that’s what you do, whether you realize it or not) poor blacks as being lazy or having a lack of motivation, remember how your grandmother struggled to help you survive this thing they call life.

^^^Damn how ignorant are you Nahnah, she said grandmother, that was back in the 40 and 50 the Jim Crow era yes it was hard for her and my grandmother. This is the 21st century, where black people have it a little better. BTW don’t twist my words what I meant by limited resources was like a reliable car and stuff like that. This is the 21st century, the key to success is getting an education-THAT IS JUST HOW IT IS! You don’t like it then you will remain in poverty continuing the cycle!

The reason why Blacks tend to vote Democratic is because the Dems have a history of supporting Civil Rights causes.

kdogg -

this is your first every mentioning any of these issues…unfortunately I don’t have the time or the energy addressing every single one of those concerns. But what I will say is, that if these are the reasons that are preventing you from voting for her why not research it for yourself?

So And… is how old?

KKKRABS IN A BARREL Heh, heh. if you niggras cant get along on the innernet, how you gonna get along at the polls, oh yall dont go the polls, unless theys be a stripper envolved, heh, heh

It admit that HRC and Barak are similary on many issues …

but, Do black people want to really miss an opportunity to put a brilliant, decent, and electable black man (married to a sister!) as the leader of the Frucking Free World!!!!!

We aren’t talking about some bs local or state election, we are talking about the whole fricken shabang!

Do we realize the impact for a small black child in Africa or the projects to see his face?

Do we know what it would mean to a little black girl or boy that would be able to look up to a black man handling his business?

What could it mean to a young white child who would grow up thinking that my black child is just are just as capable as he?

Do you know what that could mean to a white man who has always felt superior to blacks to realize that love it or hate it, that he is not?

I could go on and on.

I hope black people unite for this man. If Obama wins we all win by him just getting elected.

kdogg,

Angel-minded is your typical dumb ass negro Clinton supporter. All she can say is “white folks won’t vote for Obama”. She can’t give one proper reason that she’s supporting HIllary. It’s all about her being a brainwashed negro who let’s white folks dictate who she’ll vote for. And that’s why Clinton supporters are ignorant to the issues. Angel-Minded is a perfect example of this. The only reason she’s voting for HIllary is because white folks got her too scared to vote for one of her own who is qualified and can do the job. She’s a slave.

@Jus Another Opinion

I don’t recall you putting poor people down do you? I however, recall your original statement being that poor people are poor b/c of their choices. Did I misunderstand? Help a sista out.

Damn you must can’t read, did you not hear me say that people do care about the poor, but most poor don’t show the same respect in return. If someone is giving you income based housing, why not show gratitude and maintain it in a decent way. Instead they piss on elevators and fill it up with crime. If you are giving handouts appreciate it and use it as a stepping stone instead of a “right”.

And…I ain’t got no time to be fishing for your posts, but just scroll up and read what Jus said in her/his original post, and how you called it ‘beautiful’.

Are you saying those are not your sentiments? If not, then what is your theory?

Waiting…

Dang typos!

@Jus Another Opinion

I don’t recall you putting poor people down do you? I however, recall your original statement being that poor people are poor b/c of their choices. Did I misunderstand? Help a sista out.

^^^ @ AND that is what I said, Secret and Nahnah are just ignorant.

@ AND… & jus nutha pinyon

yall sound like republikkkans, hell yall is some of the good ones, heh, heh.

nahnah

And…I ain’t got no time to be fishing for your posts, but just scroll up and read what Jus said in her/his original post, and how you called it ‘beautiful’.

Are you saying those are not your sentiments? If not, then what is your theory?

Waiting…

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As you said earlier where are your facts? If you are going to accuse me of something I said then have the facts to back them up. Obviously you don’t (b/c there are none). Keep trying. People like you keep me fueled.

The apartment that I live in now was remodelded and yes it is beautiful, just not the people, they still allow hood rats like you and others to fill the dwellings, they will learn on day to allow only certian people to move in. (and I mean that)

Both of you have a point. Poor people, not just black people, lack the motivation to vote because they are too busy worrying about other issues that may seem more important to them such as, paying bills. However, as strong afican americans, we should encourage people to vote because it is the only way to change desperate situations, peacefully. Don’t just preach about how black people ought to be, go give a helping hand to someone that you know is struggling. Both of you need to be mentors. You seem to have strong feeling that should be channeled into unity.

@ TS

I’m gonna make this quick (cause gotta leave @ 5), I’ve already told you in my original post that I’m not voting for Clinton because of any ‘crabs in a barrel mentality,’ I’m voting for her because of her record. Obama doesn’t have an extensive record, (#1 reason why I won’t vote for him,) so of course it’s gonna be easy for you to defend him and attack Hilary. If Hilary, was a man w/ the same ideologies as me, I’d still vote for her–so your theory about me voting for her just because she’s a woman is cancelled. We could go back n forth all day but the fact of the matter is, is that Hilary will make it to the White House as President, and the reason why so many of ya are attacking me is because the truth hurts. So you can save your ‘New York Times polls,’cause that ish ain’t gonna make no damn difference in 2008 –you Obama stan! LOL–j/k

PREACH ON!!!! Tell it…. That was beautiful!!!

Angel_Minded

kdogg -

this is your first every mentioning any of these issues…unfortunately I don’t have the time or the energy addressing every single one of those concerns. But what I will say is, that if these are the reasons that are preventing you from voting for her why not research it for yourself?

I did mention each of those issues in my 3:59 post and TS mentioned the national archive/library records in an earlier post as well. As for researching t myself…Obviously I have. Thats why I am not voting for Hillary.

@nahnah

Since you “ain’t got no time to be fishing for” my posts, although you do have time to come up with ridiculous accusations, I took the liberty of looking them up for you. Enjoy…

Nov 28, 2007 – 1:45 pm AND…

@Jus Another Opinion

Your last two threads above are beautiful. I feel the same way but when ever I say it black folks accuse me of be a house kneegrow or a sell out. It’s so funny to me b/c what I am saying is what I experienced. I just want more of my people to rise above the situation that was given to them but I’m beginning to question how many really want to.

Nov 28, 2007 – 2:30 pm AND…

@Jus Another Opinion

Well I congratulate you. I too have two jobs and no kids. I’m not saying that in arrogance or superiority but celebration. I applaud those that were born into horrible situations and didn’t let that break them down. Nahnah knows what you and I are saying is truth. He or she just doesn’t want to see it.

Jesse should understand the difference between who he is and who Obama is. What President or Presidential candidate has been seen participating in marches. The idea of the Commander in Chief and our political system is supposed to represent equality {although it falls short of that}, but for a candidate to get caught between a controversial issue with sparring sides, that would appear too objective and he would lose way too much support not just from anyone particular race, but from people who are not comfortable with agitators or extremists.

Jesse and Sharpton are expected to march and rally b/c they are activists and thats what they do, but Obama is a political figure and ideally they are not supposed to speak out their personal or objective opinions, they are supposed to speak out and represent the people or thier constituents. I am not naive to think politicians dont allow their opinions to influence thier positions, but to do so openly is a contradiction to what political figures and representatives. They are not expected to speak out on these types of issues- they are supposed to interpret and enforce the law and represent the voting majority. I support Obama and his resistence to jump in for every one issue in the Black community simply b/c I think if he preserves that opportunity to speak out, he can do SOOOOO much more for us in Office. But he will never have a chance to hold that title if he speaks out too soon, remember both Jesse and Sharpton ran for Presidential and Mayoral positions, but b/c of thier activism and radical ways {which we do need} they dont have a chance b/c they are known for thier activism which is not conservative enough for a presidential hopeful {maybe in college its overlooked}. We need activist and politicians in the Black community and they are not they same- you can only be either or…

Angel-minded,

You claimed Obama doesn’t have an extensive record. So what are the things that he doesn’t have a record on? I’d really like to know.

@Angel_Minded

I’ll make this quick as well an “extensive” record does not mean a “GOOD” record.

Hillary’s Resume

1. Married to the “First Black President of the USA”

2. Voted “YES” to the Iraq War Resolution, and subsequent needless loss of American lives.

3. Quoted James Cleveland in a Black Church with “I don’t feel no ways tired!”

4. Involved with questionable and suspect fundraising scandals

5.The Whitewater scandal and Travelgate

6. She voted for the Patriot Act(that allows the govt to spy on its citizens)

7.delaying the release of records from her husband’s administration

Impressive!

@Lady Swizz

Was that for me, I do/did mentor when I was 17 I was an HIV/HIV peer educator fo a hotline. Inactive with that now because of business reason. But what you are doing is what everyone else is doing. I have the same background just like everybody else. I grew up and still in the hood. BUT I WANT MORE, I can’t make anybody do anything, they have to want it. If they are looking for other people to help, then they don’t want it. Look @ Barak he came from a poor family, and still graduated from Harvard because he wanted better, why can’t you see that. Don’t put the failures of others on me, put it on their shoulders.

@CubaLinda

Real talk.

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meant to say HIV/STD peer counselor.

Why not vote for Hillary? The media has tried to ruin her reputation by starting rumors that are not true. before you decide not to vote for Hillary, make sure that it is not propaganda that sways your vote. at this moment I would vote for hillary because she stands for all the mothers that work hard each day to provide for their families. Why not run the world from a woman’s perspective? What can it hurt? however, there is a chance that Obama can win my vote if he clarify what he is going to do about some issues like this war. I want an answer. not a political answer that works for his campaign. Oprah has his back, but I will vote for Hillary because she share my values. I like to see a tough woman.

Jus another opinion

I know exactly what you’re saying. sometimes I get discourage, but if all the civil right leaders settle for nothing. Then where would we be. I hope you don’t give up on black people because sometimes all people need is a little encouragement.

CubaLinda,

That is so right. I don’t understand why so many black people don’t understand that Obama can’t be out marching for Jena or anything else. This man is a in serious power position. He’s up in the hill making laws, that’s his job. Not marching for Jena and wearing black. that’s for an activist to do. It’s like once we actually get some power, we as a people don’t understand what it means to play in the big leagues. You didn’t see Hillary at Jena. You didn’t see John Edwards there. Why, cause they don’t have any business being there because they’re on another level. Yet, we don’t hold them to the same standard as Obama, and we say he’s selling out cause he ain’t marching to free the Jena 6. It’s ridiculous. THis man is running for President, not leader of Black America.

I think both candidates have a great chance at becoming the next president. I’m grateful the we have the opportunity to decide if we will vote for a woman or a black man that have a real chance at winning the presidential election. if I could vote for both, I would, because we need real change

Ask yourselves “What is it that I don’t like about the current Administration? What is the main reason I do not like Bush and Why do I think his presidency is a failure?”

Bush’s presidency is going to be forever defined by the Iraq War. Not the deficit, not Katrina, not tax cuts, not social security, not healthcare…but the Iraq War!

Now ask your self “What is the difference between Hillary and Bush?”

Remember, Hillary voted “Yes” to the War in Iraq and “Yes” to the needless deaths of our friends and families. Fathers, Mothers, Sons, Daughters, Husbands, and Wives.

She does have presidential experience. Apparently the same resume that our current President has.

I agree with TS. He is running for the President of the United States. Jesse Jackson is a hater. he needs to support Barrack or just shut up.

OHH wow is see your education went right out the window. Now why would I need to be jealous of you, I don’t know you. lmao. Come better than Hoe sit down. lol. Wow why would I be jealous of your ignorant ass. No need to I’m secure with who I am. I just think its funny how black folks get on here and talk about all that they are doing and how other black people are mad at them for it. I will never be mad at a black person doing good for themselves nor will I ever be mad at a black person who is not doing good. And no I’m not doing the same thing you two are, . I’m not generalizing my whole entire race see the difference hun? I’m talking to two individuals or should I say HOES. Lmao, Nah I won’t call you hoes thats so disrespectfully but I shouldn’t expect much from people who don’t have empathy for their own people.

TS

CubaLinda,

That is so right. I don’t understand why so many black people don’t understand that Obama can’t be out marching for Jena or anything else. This man is a in serious power position. He’s up in the hill making laws, that’s his job. Not marching for Jena and wearing black. that’s for an activist to do. It’s like once we actually get some power, we as a people don’t understand what it means to play in the big leagues. You didn’t see Hillary at Jena. You didn’t see John Edwards there. Why, cause they don’t have any business being there because they’re on another level. Yet, we don’t hold them to the same standard as Obama, and we say he’s selling out cause he ain’t marching to free the Jena 6. It’s ridiculous. THis man is running for President, not leader of Black America.

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You right. And for that matter I didn’t see any rappers or singers down there either. If they always talking about ‘the man’ trying to get them and injustice where were they? I didn’t see them in Jena.

Hillary voted for the Iraq War because the governemnt was deceived by the Bush Administration. Why do you blame Hillary because george bush and the neocons decided to make up a story. I don’t believe she would make the same decisions now because everyone knows, we were lead to wasunder false pretences.

Secret

OHH wow is see your education went right out the window. Now why would I need to be jealous of you, I don’t know you. lmao. Come better than Hoe sit down. lol. Wow why would I be jealous of your ignorant ass. No need to I’m secure with who I am. I just think its funny how black folks get on here and talk about all that they are doing and how other black people are mad at them for it. I will never be mad at a black person doing good for themselves nor will I ever be mad at a black person who is not doing good. And no I’m not doing the same thing you two are, . I’m not generalizing my whole entire race see the difference hun? I’m talking to two individuals or should I say HOES. Lmao, Nah I won’t call you hoes thats so disrespectfully but I shouldn’t expect much from people who don’t have empathy for their own people.

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Where are your facts sweetheart?

@Angel_Minded

1. I never said that I was going to vote for Obama. I just know that I will not vote for Clinton.

2. Your comment about him “effing” up is presumtuous while Clinton’s Iraq War vote is a major “eff” up that is actually on paper.

@ Lady Swizz

Everyone didn’t vote for the war Iraqi war resolution. It passed the Senate on October 11 by a vote of 77-23. Those that voted “NO” had the SAME INFORMATION that Clinton had.

If the info was so compelling, why wasnt it a unanimous vote?

@kdogg

Why not vote for Clinton. The media has used propaganda to trick people into voting certain ways. the bush administration lied to all the American people. Listen to what she has to say before jumping to conclusions that may not be based on facts.

@ Secret

Not even worth commenting, but you’s a hoodrat and will always remain boo boo. Stop acting like the ish ain’t around us, cause you are in denial.

And you are jealous boo, cause you wouldn’t have brought up the fact that AND and I have beaten the odds, hell you started off saying don’t pat yourself on the backs. Again I’m payin homage Hoe. Sit. Down ahhhh it so refreshing to say that. oohhh!~

@kdogg

Most people voted for the war because they believed saddam had weapons of mass destruction. what would you do if you were in her shoes? She thought the threat was imminent. Many peopld did. Most of the Senate did. She did not access to the files the president had. The president lead us into this war, not Hillary.

Vote for Hillary or Obama. Your mom will be proud.

@kdogg

That is what all politicians do. They all are crooked. There is not one politician that is an angel. i just hope that you are not blinded by the fact that the Bush Administration lied to everybody, including congress. Remember, Mushroom cloud.

Luving life

Barack Obama, is a plain spoken, earnest , and full of integrity. The man truly speaks from his heart and is really intelligent. The man was the first black person ever to be president of the prestigous ” Harvad Law Review ” This young leader is ready for the presidency not because he is black but because he has spent his entire life readying himself for the job !!! The man is ready to put in the work if given the chance !!

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Now I completely agree with this statement, however, politics are dirty (not to say Obama is) and people don’t always want what is right but what is familiar and convenient. Not to mention the money involved.

How do you know the war is senseless. It is important for America to remain on top. I don’t want to be nobodies slave. so, if that means invading other contries and converting the chidren to christianity. Than that is how it will always be. Do you like freedom or do like these religious fanatics that do not believe in democracy.

My people are the most hating a$$ culture alive. You finally have a worthy oponent for prez, and now you’re backing HILLARY? Wow!! I am still voting for Obama and I hope these hatin’ a$$ niccas do the same….Obama sees the bigger picture…you cannot discredit his blackness because his black daddy left him and his white mother raised him….he married a beautiful, educated,chocolate sister. He is trying to be PRESIDENT…Leader of the Free World…that includes everybody not just us….they want him to be splitting verbs, raising his fist in the air, and marching for every black cause there is…he is not trying to be an activist but the phuckin’ president. We are so quick to abandon our own because they are not black enough. He is doing it just by being who he is. I will never forget when I saw him speak at the Dem. Convention and he outshined Kerry by a longslide with his speech…If anything Obama and Hilary should run together….other than that, Obama all the way…..black folks are a trip.

1/4th of the Senate voted against the war. Thats a significant number.

I was in the Marines at the time the war started. We did not think that the threat was imminent. We had control of Iraqs ports, trade, and skies at the time. I lost friends/family in this war.

I thought it was a crazy idea then just like I do now.

AND,

Obama’s money is clean. He doesn’t take lobbyist money or money from political action committies. Hillary does take money from these people and groups, which means she owes them favors. That’s dirty and it impacts us all, because then the lobbyists and the corporations need to be rewarded and the people’s interests are not the priortity, which is not what politics should be. How anyone can still support dirty Hillary when you’ve got a clean candidate like obama is just beyond me.

Oh, Ooooo… Ya’ll done started sumthin…

F*ck Raw Dawg Rev. Jesse Jackson…

*I call him “Raw Dawg” Rev. because remember back when Clinton was in the White House and J. Jackson was called to be Clinton’s “Spiritual Advisor” during the Monica Lewinsky ordeal… While he was counseling Ole’ Bill, he done knocked up some broad and got her pregnant while he was married – Stupid mother f*cker!!! His old Dumb a$$ is gonna cheat and not even use a condom – he coulda brought back a STD to his wife or even HIV… Which beautifully brings me to the point of why I don’t like him or Punk A$$ Permed Up Al Sharpton (*but I’ma get on Al’s fat a$$ later…)

HIV and AIDS is destroying our community and even worse our Sistas are being infected at a RIDICULOUSLY HIGH Rate… My questions is WHERE ARE OUR So-called Black Leaders…. They should be ringing the alarm and bringing this to the attention to the various media outlets & people who can do SOMETHING to combat this…

Oprah did a show on it and I applaud her, Rock & Roll Band Leader of U2 – Bono has been battling this disease over in Africa doing it up major – raising all types of money and doing all sorts of good things (bringing medicine, doctors, etc…)…

But where are the so-called Black Leaders?

I don’t hear nothing from them unless it’s an issue that they can somehow bring attention to themselves and somehow line there pockets with….

Some of the issues they tackle are important, yes indeed (NO DISRESPECT to those that they’ve been rallying for and everything else) but where are they NOW when my Sistas are the ones being infected the most…

Once again I say F*CK Raw Dawg Rev. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton Fat Kentucky Fried Chicken eating a$$

If I ever get locked in a room with Al Sharpton and his “hot comb” – I will f*ck his fat a$$ up…

Brothas & Sistas please use a condom if you are going to have sex, PLEASE don’t be another statistic.

**I sincerely apologize for the use of my foul language to those I offended…

Politician run to win, not to change the world. don’t knock Hillary Clinton because the candidates like Rudy Guiliani can destroy what so many black people marched and boycotted for. he would like to put all black men in a 8 by 10 prisson ceel. Heard of three strikes out.

TS

AND,

Obama’s money is clean. He doesn’t take lobbyist money or money from political action committies. Hillary does take money from these people and groups, which means she owes them favors. That’s dirty and it impacts us all, because then the lobbyists and the corporations need to be rewarded and the people’s interests are not the priortity, which is not what politics should be. How anyone can still support dirty Hillary when you’ve got a clean candidate like obama is just beyond me.

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Exert from my post:

“…politics are dirty (not to say Obama is) and people don’t always want what is right but what is familiar and convenient. Not to mention the money involved.” I never said Obama or Hilary are doing dirt. CHILL. IDK b/c like I’ve said twice already I haven’t been keeping up with all the hooplah. I will wait until the final two are choosen before a pull out the big dogs.

“Do you like freedom or do like these religious fanatics that do not believe in democracy…”

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I like my life. So did GYSGT Obleas (RIP 12/01/04)

He was my friend and fellow Marine.

@kdogg

That is not a lot of people. I’m sorry you lost friends and love ones in this war. Just listen to what all candidates have to say, don’t be bitter. I have family fighting in this was as well. We need to stand by a president that will help with domestic issues, not just international ones.

He died by the way …in this senseless war.

I know it is hard to lose a friend, but sometimes people make decision that make them true heroes. He is a true heroe, but he faught for you to enjoy your freedom. He sacrifice, so your children will always live in aworld that believe in the princuiple of democracy. that is wy we are able to chat today.

P.S. Before someone says “are you saying blacks are weak?” No, I’m not. What I mean is that it’s real easy to fall victim to your surroundings when they are not good, i.e. selling drugs, not going to school, etc. To “the powers that be” they are not concerned with those that can’t rise above it.

Just a thought…

The Iraq war IS a domestic issue:

1. Our national Guard is being deployed to augment troops

2. Our recruitment standards have been lowered resulting in a less qualified recruit

3. Children are growing up without their parents b/c they are fighting in the senseless waror are deployed because of the senseless war, or have died in the senseless war.

How do you know this war is senseless. Because some people say that it is. we don’t know about what is going on in the world. all we know is what people tell us.

AND,

So you’re not going to vote in the primaries? you’r just gonna sit back and let others voice who you should vote for? Why?

but, there are so many domestic issue that are not addressed. american people must make sure that we have things right at home before we build schools for other countries. that is why I like Hillary Clinton because some attention nedds to be turned to home. If we take care of home, we will not feel that it is necessary to invade another country.

VOTE or DIE is becoming a reality. There will be a draft, if people don’t wake up and smell the roses. They will be in Iraq hoping that they voted for someone who will bring our troops out of the war. If you don’t vote, then don’t complained about societal issues. It is your fault and I will put the blame at your doorstep.

He is a patriot, but dont pull that ish about this war being about freedom. No one seriously believes that.

If youre gonna give an excuse to Hillary for her vote then you need to give Bush a pass as well.

As for me, I see the blood dripping from both of their hands

I’m out. Gotta go pick up the kids and go home and check my phones for bugs. Dang Patriot Act! (Hillary voted for it)

where has everbpdy gone. Are you tired of debating. Vote for the best candidate. that is Hillary Clinton. I want be mad if you vote for Barrack Obama

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TS

AND,

So you’re not going to vote in the primaries? you’r just gonna sit back and let others voice who you should vote for? Why?

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Please excuse me ignorance b/c I’m young and this will only be my second opportunity to vote. I wasn’t aware that I got to vote in primaries. I asked someone about that b/c I thought we did but she told me that the higher ups, like governors, state reps, etc vote and then the public votes on that. Well damn, I guess that what I get for not looking up info for myself. *hangs head in shame*

correction

my

I just looked up some statistics on HIV in 2005

Whites:11,758

Blacks:18,510

Hispanic:6,944

Asian/Pacific Islander:429

American Indian/Alaska Native:198

Tell me this doesn’t concern you?

http://www.avert.org

Avert is an international AIDS charity

And…

You’re either slow or confused. You agreed with JAO’s post, and now you’re claiming you never said it? We’ve argued several times on here and your argumnt is pretty apparent. It’s just that you’re starting to realize how dumb you’ve been for so long, now that I gave your ass a reality check.

Not to mention the fact that you say people accuse you of being a self hating kneegrow for having those views.

I swear, you’re only contradicting yourself.

B4 I go.

I know the war is senseless b/c I was in it and I realized that it was senseless as does most of the military. We follow a code that keeps us from speaking out against the Commander in Chief and we also dont want to damage morale. That is why you dont hear as many active duty military complaining. However until you sit in a fighting hole in Fallujah with iraqi’s protesting your very exisistence, and your buddy gets killed by an IED planted by the same people you are supposed to be liberating, you cant ask me to make sense about this war!

And then you called Jesse Jackson a racist. LOL

And you’re not confused?

I’m voting for RON PAUL

Jus Another Opinion said:

With that said, black folks are in poverty because of their own doing. You either go to college or not, your choice, but don’t be expecting handouts, society shouldn’t have to take care of you. But Jeese needs to do more if he going to criticize others for not doing more. If not shut up, and let ppl take care of their own problems.

And you agreed!

But she’s talking about you too cuz you were receiving handouts for many many years!

HYPOCRITE!

You’re so confused, it’s sick. You don’t know what your argument is.

@ And

I’m concerned about this I know nahnah isn’t cause she wouldn’t be spitting that crap she is talking, I promise you I couldn’t tell you what she is talking about half the time.

I just looked up some statistics on HIV in 2005

Whites:11,758

Blacks:18,510

Hispanic:6,944

Asian/Pacific Islander:429

American Indian/Alaska Native:198

Tell me this doesn’t concern you?

http://www.avert.org

Avert is an international AIDS charity

This war was senseless it is all apart of the bigger plan these neocons are after. Don’t be fooled Clinton, Guliani, Obama, are all apart of the CFR. Better do you research. Video.google.com

Jesse, just go homme!

Once again…

@nahnah

Since you “ain’t got no time to be fishing for” my posts, although you do have time to come up with ridiculous accusations, I took the liberty of looking them up for you. Enjoy…

Nov 28, 2007 – 1:45 pm AND…

“”"”"what i said i agreed with”"”"”

@Jus Another Opinion

Your last two threads above are beautiful. I feel the same way but when ever I say it black folks accuse me of be a house kneegrow or a sell out. It’s so funny to me b/c what I am saying is what I experienced. I just want more of my people to rise above the situation that was given to them but I’m beginning to question how many really want to.

Nov 28, 2007 – 2:30 pm AND…

@Jus Another Opinion

Well I congratulate you. I too have two jobs and no kids. I’m not saying that in arrogance or superiority but celebration. I applaud those that were born into horrible situations and didn’t let that break them down. Nahnah knows what you and I are saying is truth. He or she just doesn’t want to see it.

@ nahnah

Don’t confuse my words,just to make a point. Using scholarships to get an education is not bad, if you are reffering to that. Handouts like TANF, medicade (folks with 3 kids or more) FOOD stamps (if you in college okay)etc. So don’t twist my words.

Anyone watching the debate tonight.

If you got one kid and are on medicade okay (see I am nice) but if you got 9 on medicade c’mon. Lets be real

And…

Like I said, hun, you’re confused.

As I said, you agreed with her comment, and then stated how others call you a house kneegrow…

DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?

And then you make a comment FOURTY FIVE MINUTES LATER…

So, yep, you’re confused.

Do you agree or do you not agree?

nahnah

Jus Another Opinion said:

With that said, black folks are in poverty because of their own doing. You either go to college or not, your choice, but don’t be expecting handouts, society shouldn’t have to take care of you. But Jeese needs to do more if he going to criticize others for not doing more. If not shut up, and let ppl take care of their own problems.

And you agreed!

But she’s talking about you too cuz you were receiving handouts for many many years!

HYPOCRITE!

You’re so confused, it’s sick. You don’t know what your argument is.

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This is why I could be a teacher. What is a 4 year old baby supposed to do when they get sick? I never expected handouts b/c I wouldn’t get up off my lazy ass and work. My grandmother didn’t have enough money. What she just supposed to let me stay sick? JAO typed “black folks are in poverty because of their own doing. You either go to college or not, your choice..” Important word CHOICE. I chose to go to high school and college, I chose not to do, sell or hang out with people who did drugs, and JAO typed …”expecting handouts society shouldn’t have to take care of you…” I didn’t ask to be born or who I was born to. I started taking care of me when I got old enough to do so. I am not on welfare. I bust my ass not to have to do what my grandmother did. DAMN YOU SLOW. And you say I’m confused. Wow!!!

Y’know, a friend of mine used to have this saying while we were in undergrad…

“Black folks just ain’t gonna make it.”

The more and more I read into current events, the state of Black America, and realize just how completely OFF KILTER we are with our beliefs and views as a people, the more I believe him.

As a people, we complain that the white man just wants to keep us down and that no politician truly has our best interest in mind. For years, America has pushed us into the backseat. Now, we have an opportunity to vote someone into the office who DOES give two cents about our well-being, and we complain that he’ll never win…so we don’t vote for him! We complain that we shouldn’t vote for him just BECAUSE he’s Black (which is true, but how long have we been waiting to finally be represented in this country we essentially built?), we say he doesn’t have ‘enough experience’ (although Chicago has one of the most rapid-growing economies in the US right now…not to mention the lowering of crime rates and improvements in public education)….if you ask me, those men and women that do have “experience” have absolutely nothing to show for it. (ie: George W. ‘Bust’)

Come ON Black folks! We gotta wake UP!! We got racism rearing its head in nearly every aspect of society (ie: MEgan Williams in W. VA)…yet no one wants to talk about it….we support and idolize images that people portray of us, making us look like fools while they relish in public coonery (ie: New York and any other ‘hood’/thug rapper to come across)…..we complain that no one speaks up for us, everyone puts us down, but when we finally DO have someone to step up to the plate…..

…we go runnin’ back to Massa’ to fix everything!

Man, going at this rate…we really aren’t gonna make it!

@ nahnah

Adding to what JAO said:

Don’t confuse my words,just to make a point. Using scholarships to get an education is not bad, if you are reffering to that. Handouts like TANF, medicade (folks with 3 kids or more) FOOD stamps (if you in college okay)etc. So don’t twist my words.

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Not to mention you have to earn scholarship i.e. working for them by having good grades and such.

So, Jus, are you saying a person with more than one child shouldn’t get medicaid for all? Health care is a basic human right, therefore all people should be entitled to health care.

And how many people do you know with 10 kids? There’s a reason why people go ‘wow’ when they hear about folks having all them siblings.

@ Nahnah

I don’t understand why/what are you accussing AND of again. Cause I just re-read the comment in question!!

@ Nahnah

There you go trying to make point with no clue on how to do it.

So, Jus, are you saying a person with more than one child shouldn’t get medicaid for all? Health care is a basic human right, therefore all people should be entitled to health care.

Seriously get out of your hoodrat ways, medicaide is a aid (temp there to help you until you get back on your feet just like food stamps-its to help you out)

Nannah if you can’t feed them don’t breed them, goodness, commonsense girl use your brain. I don’t care what they told you 1+1=2 not 3. Do the math if you have 1 on medicade which means you can’t take care of that why have 3 more kids. Get ya mind out of the gutter, rise above.

So, Jus, are you saying a person with more than one child shouldn’t get medicaid for all? Health care is a basic human right, therefore all people should be entitled to health care.

^^^You are entilted to health care pay for it out of pocket like I do. I don’t get medicade( which is there to aid not for you to live permantely off of), this is coming from someone on a student income.

I swear Nannah you is just a lazy something….

This is why I could be a teacher. What is a 4 year old baby supposed to do when they get sick? I never expected handouts b/c I wouldn’t get up off my lazy ass and work. My grandmother didn’t have enough money. What she just supposed to let me stay sick? JAO typed “black folks are in poverty because of their own doing. You either go to college or not, your choice..” Important word CHOICE. I chose to go to high school and college, I chose not to do, sell or hang out with people who did drugs, and JAO typed …”expecting handouts society shouldn’t have to take care of you…” I didn’t ask to be born or who I was born to. I started taking care of me when I got old enough to do so. I am not on welfare. I bust my ass not to have to do what my grandmother did. DAMN YOU SLOW. And you say I’m confused. Wow!!!

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So what is your argument then? Apparently, you don’t have one. Are you saying that you don’t agree with JAO – that black people are the way they are because of their own doing, or you do? Because you’re saying two things here. Her comment basically means a group of people choose to be the way they are – so you either agree or you don’t.

That prenatal crack has really affected your brain.

My vote is with Obama!!! Not only because he is black. Everyone thinks black people are dumb. And to entertain whether you’re voting for someone solely on their race is ridiculous! He is a smart man who happens to be black, and I share his views… That is why I am voting for Obama! I have closely watched the debates. I even watch the republican channels on T.V. just to hear different views on issues… Believe me when I say, “OBAMA” is a GREAT man who so happen to be black.

MY QUESTION IS WILL YOU NOT VOTE FOR HIM BECAUSE HE IS BLACK???? I’m sure several non black people will dismiss voting for him because of race, but you also have a self-hating group of blacks that will vote for another person because they fall in the trap of suck ups and haven’t followed the race of candidates…just my opinion!

MzPW….you couldn’t have said any better!!! I am in total agreement!!!

For support to what “And…” was talking about with respects to the HIV/AIDS Rate in DC – ABC Nightline News just did a show on it this past Friday, November 23rd here’s the link:

http://www.abcnews.go.com/Nightline/story?id=3905808&page=1

Basically, 1 in 20 people in DC has HIV/AIDS and in some areas it’s as high as 1 in 10. Blacks make up 80% of the new infection cases while homosexuals make up 20%.

@ nahnah

please stop twisting sentences to suit your own meaning JAO said “black folks are in poverty because of their own doing” meaning the choices (bad ones) that they have made have contributed to their poverty not they choose to be in poverty. You are truly slow. JAO also said later on in explanation that education is the key. What I have said has been consistant along with JAO if you don’t understand cool. If you disagree also cool but stop trying to flip stuff around to suite your agenda. It’s just not working. You should run for office b/c you’re good at twisting things around.

Mind you I understand what you’re saying but your intepretation of what I’m saying if off.

@nahnah

I just went back and re-read some stuff to make sure I was typing what I thought I was and I find it very convenient how you continue to ignore the fact in my and JAO’s post. You never address them for what they are instead you building outrageous accusations/questions on top of them.

@nahnah

I dont understand where you are getting this stuff from but I have made my point(repeatedly) very clear. I don’t control people and neither do you everyone has choices in life and tha’s the bottom line. Some of us have a lot more obstacles to overcome from jump street.

Jesse needs to take his non speaking, old papa ( remember he had a bastard when he was 100), never had a real job self to bed. He is hating because he never really had a chance to be Prez. Obama is trying to be Prez for the whole country, not just blacks. What the f*&^ is Jesse’s problem?

Although I do think he is a legit candidate. I won’t vote for Obama because some of his views. For I he is pro-choice. I’m pro-life. I for one will never vote for a president that believes in abortions. Also he is for same-sex marriage. When the definition of marriage is a union between a man and a woman. Also he is apart of the CFR ( Council of Foreign Relations). So is Clinton, Bush, Guliani, Thompson, Chenney . Which is not just trying to rule the USA but the world. So all this talk about which candidate is going to look after black people is nothing. Once they get your vote. They are going after power. Cause they already got the money. You all better wake up and do your research.

AND

Do you think before you type????

You said you didn’t see any rapper in Jena. Open you eyes!

Mos Def, Bun B, Ice Cube, Salt&Pepa, TI rented Buses etc.

Please think before you type. Anyway, why are you comparing Obama’s movement with rappers?

PS I want my tax dollars back you parasite!

LMBAO @ Medicaid recipients giving out political and moral advice on a gossip website. What has the world come to.

@ AND…, Jus Nutha Openion, nahnah, catfish

Your all my niggras, keep on fightin. Heh, heh

Just b/c someone is on Medicaid doesnt mean that they are a public charge or low-life. There are many of the working poor that go out everyday and do the jobs some of us too good, high degree flashing, upper middle income having people REFUSE to do but so desperately take avail of. I believe in universal medical coverage esp. in a country as rich as the US- no one should pay regardless of their income. Other countries like Switzerland and Argentina where the per capita isnt nearly as high as our own, have adopted universal medical coverage. I find it disturbing that in this country, an essential need such as medical coverage is segregated according to class. I pay tax dollars and my tax bracket is 28%- thats a hefty sum, but I am not going to pay any less if Medicaid were eliminated- so I’d rather know that my tax dollars in some part will help an underprivileged family. Being underprivileged doesnt make you worthless. The sad truth is so much of our tax dollars dont go to the underserved and instead to the greedy upper- class. I can say honestly that I dont make the effort to give to charity the way that I should b/c although the good intentions are there- I pretty much let myself get derailed by other things- so the least we can do is pay taxes and HOPE that some of it trickles down to those who need it. Because not all jobs offer employee sponsored insurance plans, so the next time you are impatient on the fast food line, having extra towels bought to your hotel room or looking for help in the retail store or calling upon someone to answer your customer service questions, remember that these people are most likely not getting medical insurance but they still show up everyday to earn a salary some of us blow over the wknd, yet and still here they are making our lives covenient- the least we can do is pay it forward and contribute toward thier health and well being. Being poor and uneducated doesnt mean you dont deserve to be healthy!!

@ my 2 cents,

everything you wrote is Truth. thank you. people need to have their eyes opened. you are opening eyes. thank you.

Here’s the problem, the black community has to WANT help. Too many of us (and our kids) view life from our street corner.

Hey Jesse,

Start visiting some of these black schools and see how bad our kids are. Go to Myspace see how many of our kids pose with guns, drugs, flash gang signs and show themselves having sex. Realize that many of our black run schools are run by corrupt black folk that make Enron and Martha Stewart BOW DOWN in respect and say “Yall some bad Motherf*ckers!” We have scandels in grades and credit card abuse and 90% of the guilty folk are black. In City Hall was had the FBI come in and arrest folk. Many were black.

We get a little power and abuse it. Look at how bad our black colleges are-bad basketball teams that take money to get blown out by 80 by white schools.

And when will we call out BLACK PARENTS? I don’t even need to go into detail.

And finally Jesse,

Stop yelling racism all the time! Somethings are just COMMON SENSE.

We are not raising our kids right and white America is fed up. Anyone else keep noticing anything an athlete is kicked off/suspended from a college team-he’s black?

Funny how Soulja Boy music in now being BANNED at white schools in my city after people discovered what his song meant. Yet black stay quiet.

Funny how white schools/media are telling white kids CLEAN UP your Myspace pages. Because it can come back to haunt you. Yet blacks stay quiet.

I could go on, but what’s the point? Jesse, Al and most of Black America doesn’t care.

They don’t care about those of us doing right and not blaming the white man.

MisterCee

You speaking the truth about not throwing money to solve a issue.

As for ESl kids. In most schools those kids wouldn’t even be in classes with regular kids depending on their test scores.

And to be honest with you, as someone who works with ESL kids (not just Spanish ones)those are the ones who want to learn the most.

And I’m going to let you in on a secret that I learned form a white man. The govermwent will loan you the cash to start your won business and if it fails you don’t have to pay the money back. You just have to know where to look. And he’s a college professor that gets paid when folks apply for credits cards and use one of his 5 candy machines (that he salvaged out of the junk yard).

What amazes me is that people keep saying Barack cant win, YET POLLS have shown in a GENERAL ELECTION( you know the one that gets you to the White House) Hilliary Clinton will LOSE TO EVERY SINGLE REPUBLICAN MATHCUP and that BARACK OBAMA HAS THE HIGHEST ELECTABILITY AMONGST THE CANIDIATE and he is LEADING in the state of Iowa which is an early and KEY state. SO please with the negativity

What amazes me is that people keep saying Barack cant win, YET POLLS have shown in a GENERAL ELECTION( you know the one that gets you to the White House) Hilliary Clinton will LOSE TO EVERY SINGLE REPUBLICAN MATHCUP and that BARACK OBAMA HAS THE HIGHEST ELECTABILITY AMONGST THE CANIDIATE and he is LEADING in the state of Iowa which is an early and KEY state. SO please with the negativity

@ My 2 cents

Thank you for a great post.

GHOST

You’re right ON POINT!!

HOW CAN YOU ALL TALK ABOUT STEALING PICS WHEN YOU ALL STEAL PICS FROM CONCRETELOOP AND BROWNSISTA ALL THE TIME. YOUR LAST TWO MEAGAN GOOD POSTS CONSISTED OF PICS YOU STOLE FROM BROWNSISTA AND REMOVED THE TAGS IN SUCH AN OBVIOUS WAY.

I’M GLAD MEDIATAKEOUT IS BEATING YOU AT YOUR OWN GAME. THESE PICS AIN’T EVEN YOURS. YOU ALL JACK UP FROM BLACKGURL ON THE CRUSADE FORUM.

Yes, I’ve seen this poll too. College+ educated women aren’t voting for Hillary. We’re too smart & see through her slickness.

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“professor

Polls show that the more educated people are about the election, the more likely they are to vote Obama. The less educated about the election support Clinton. So it’s obvious that someone like you, who doesn’t know what they’re talking about, supports Hillary.”

@ ‘Lady Swizz’ & ‘Jaimie’

I heart you guys!

You all have said it better than I ever could!

Clinton ’08!

With all due respect… SHUT THE FU** UP JESSE!!! I mean really… did you forget that you once tried UNSUCCESSFULLY to run for President back in the day. This is an exact example of how “WE” do not and will not support each other! Sad, but true.

And by the way Jesse, the next time you send me an envelope soliciting for funds for the Rainbow Coalition… have decency enough to spell my dayum name right!!! GEEEEEESH!!!

Ms. Dee why would you and anybody else send your hard earned dollars to Rainbow Coalition, that personal trust fund/bank account that Jesse calls a civil rights organization! Both he an old process head Sharpton have been milking fools for years with that jumped up, pimped out, laughingstock organizations. I cannot stand either one of these old school hustlers.

catfish

AND

Do you think before you type????

You said you didn’t see any rapper in Jena. Open you eyes!

Mos Def, Bun B, Ice Cube, Salt&Pepa, TI rented Buses etc.

Please think before you type. Anyway, why are you comparing Obama’s movement with rappers?

PS I want my tax dollars back you parasite

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GREAT, but my original statement still holds true. I didn’t see them there. I saw them on tv raising money and bring awareness and such but I saw none actually in Jena, La. If I’m wrong cool. Sensitive much?

P.S. I’m not comparing Obama’s movement to rappers. Go back and read the entire conversation (which I know you won’t) before you jump in so add two cents on something. Do you think before you type????

Hey Nita,I understood what Cosby meant about the black church today, especially the store-fronts located throughout every poor ghetto in the country. In the ghetto you will find one or more of these places on a single city block, filled with single, poor mothers and their fatherless kids raising money to pay for the ministers cadillacs and high life-styles. So many of these preachers have a pimp style mentality about them when it comes to swindling these women out of their money, when their little bit of case should be spent on their own kids. All these so-called preachers want folks to look up to them as kings or something, from Jackson and Sharpton all the way down to the local preachers at all these inner city churches.

Made a mistake above, I meant to say, little bit of cash, not case.

We finally got a black candidate that is all for US and most of us want to question his motives instead of questioning all these YT’s running or who have already been in office. Just look at the issues going on in the black community today! The only person that knows our struggle is Obama! What the hell are black people smoking? I didn’t know if I would live to see a black president but I will tell ya one thing HE HAS MY VOTE 4SHO!

When are we going to realize you have to win the game to change the game.

Dang, we can’t unite on anything to get something accomplished anymore.

Other races may hate each others guts but they ride because they get the big picture, until they can get thier own way.

We don’t have it like that just yet.

If we continue to think we don’t need each other, we will always need someone else (white folks, etc).

Funny how all who disagree with And…are always asked to ‘go back and read’ as if her words are so hard to understand. LOL!

@ Millie

“Ms. Dee why would you and anybody else send your hard earned dollars to Rainbow Coalition, that personal trust fund/bank account that Jesse calls a civil rights organization! Both he an old process head Sharpton have been milking fools for years with that jumped up, pimped out, laughingstock organizations. I cannot stand either one of these old school hustlers.”

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FYI… I did not send him back anything. I happened to attend one of PG County’s (in MD) mega churches, and he (Jesse) happened to be speaking their that Sunday. I got caught up in the moment, and added an extra little something something to my titheing, and he got my info from there. So his org proceeded to send me an envelope soliciting for funds. He got NOTHING in return!!!

I have met both Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton at anti war rallies, and they may have some skeletons in their closets, but tell me someone who doesn’t? They have always shown support to the anti-war movement, and for that I applaud them.

And why is protesting called an old 60′s thing? This shows how ignorant you people are.

I still don’t know where Obama stands. He taps dances around the issues and don’t give nothing direct. I want direct anwsers on what’s what. He has yet to come to Harlem, the Apollo thing coming is one of the first and few Those same pimped out, permed out preachers went directly to the source, was there when you needed them and put their lives on the line, from Harriet Tubman, Shirley Chisolm to Jesse Jackson. I was on both Jesse’s campaigns and he rocked. Came in 2nd place in NYC as well in ’88 and he addressed the issues head on, straight up. You knew where he stood.

And if it wasn’t for Jesse, Al, Dr. King, Fannie Lou Hamer, ADAM CLAYTON POWELL, JR., there would be no Obama, check your history people before you go lamblasting folk who did the damned thang and provided the foundation for the Obama’s to follow. We are the only people who don’t give props to those who been there. Don’t trip.

If it wasn’t for Adam Clayton Powell, Jr. we wouldn’t enjoy half the things we enjoy now, headstart, free lunches in the school. The legislation Powell passed was legandary. He did the damned thang for us: Rev. Adam Clayton Powell, Jr. (November 29, 1908 – April 5, 1972), American politician, was the first African American to become a powerful figure in the United States Congress. He was elected to the United States House of Representatives from Harlem in 1945, and became chair of the Education and Labor Committee in 1961. His tenure as committee chairman saw the passage of important social legislation. Powell was born in New Haven, Connecticut. His father, Adam Clayton Powell, Sr. was a Baptist minister and headed the Abyssinian Baptist Church in Harlem, New York. His paternal grandfather was white, as were several of his mother’s ancestors. He was educated at public schools, the City College of New York and Colgate University. He received an MA degree in religious education from Columbia University in 1931.

During the Depression years, Powell, a handsome and charismatic figure, became a prominent civil rights leader in the Harlem area of Manhattan and developed a formidable public following in Harlem community through his crusades for jobs and housing. As chairman of the Coordinating Committee for Employment, he organized mass meetings, rent strikes and public campaigns, forcing companies and utilities, and the Harlem hospital to hire black workers. Powell organized a picket line and the 1939 New York World’s Fair at the Fair’s executive offices in the Empire State Building; as a result, the number of black employees was increased from about 200 to 732 [1]. A bus boycott in 1940 led to the hiring of 200 black workers by the transit authority. When Negro pharmacists were failing to get hired, Powell led a fight in 1941 to have drugstores in Harlem hire them all. [2]

In 1937 he succeeded his father as pastor of Abyssinian Baptist Church. In 1941 he was elected to the New York City Council as the city’s first Black council representative with the aid of New York City’s use of the Single Transferable Vote.[1] He received 65,736 votes, the third best total among the six successful council candidates [3]

“Mass action is the most powerful force on earth,” Mr. Powell once said, adding, “As long as it is within the law, it’s not wrong; if the law is wrong, change the law.” According to analysts, he landed in Washington as Congressman armed with a mandate from the grassroots to make a difference.

Cornell

Hey Nita,I understood what Cosby meant about the black church today, especially the store-fronts located throughout every poor ghetto in the country. In the ghetto you will find one or more of these places on a single city block, filled with single, poor mothers and their fatherless kids raising money to pay for the ministers cadillacs and high life-styles. So many of these preachers have a pimp style mentality about them when it comes to swindling these women out of their money, when their little bit of case should be spent on their own kids. All these so-called preachers want folks to look up to them as kings or something, from Jackson and Sharpton all the way down to the local preachers at all these inner city churches.

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Damn I didn’t know it was like that!

nahnah

Funny how all who disagree with And…are always asked to ‘go back and read’ as if her words are so hard to understand. LOL!

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I ask those that try to twist what I type out of context to go back and read not those that disagree. I have no problem with those who disagree. I rather someone call me out and prove it by copying and pasting what I typed. I am not perfect and it could very well be that I typed something wrong or contradicted myself in which case I need to STFU and apologize but since no one has done that then obviously I haven’t.

If you want to talk about corruption, then you’re going to have to start with the U.S. Goverment. If Jesse is what you call corrupt, I call it gettin’ it the same why the Gov’t and every big corporation does. The gov’t dealt drugs with the Contras and enabled them to flood the US with crack, the same people the gov’t is hollerin’ about and flooding the US airwaves with propaganda, they’re in bed with!!! Buf y’all let that slide by and don’t say a word. We built this mutha and I don’t care if we get errythang free, I say by any means necessary, hell, our Ancestors earned it; and they still owe!

Oh, and by the way, Negores had jobs with Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton also left this country DEBT FREE!!! Zero debt. Bush came along, stole the elections(s) and fuccked errythang up! Oh, the deficit is now in the TRILLIONS! Your grand kids will still be payin’ for the relief of that debt.

MOTHERSHIP

If you want to talk about corruption, then you’re going to have to start with the U.S. Goverment. If Jesse is what you call corrupt, I call it gettin’ it the same why the Gov’t and every big corporation does. The gov’t dealt drugs with the Contras and enabled them to flood the US with crack, the same people the gov’t is hollerin’ about and flooding the US airwaves with propaganda, they’re in bed with!!! Buf y’all let that slide by and don’t say a word. We built this mutha and I don’t care if we get errythang free, I say by any means necessary, hell, our Ancestors earned it; and they still owe!

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So the US knows about/is responsible for the drugs be brought here?

*No disrespect, just asking*

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AND…

if you have to ask that, please leave the room

jjones

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AND…

if you have to ask that, please leave the room

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Seriously?? They are bringing it here? Call me ignorant, naive, whatever but I truly didn’t know they were helping to get it here.

@Constance

Thanks for your above post. I feel the same.

Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton are just mad that Barack doesn’t need their services….and what are those services you might ask?! Well I’ll tell you ….Barack does not need Jesse and Al’s services in perpetuating the great BLACK lie! Yes, he’s trying to win this so why would he run behind Al and Jesse….the people they cater to are people who have no intentions of voting at the next election. they’re to busy waitin on the government to give them their 40 acres and a mule. they don’t have time vote….they have stereotypes to perpetuate, children get out jail, fathers to find and foodstamps to pick up they simply just would have time for Barack ….and since Barack is actually trying to WIN this election he doesn’t need that…..but your comments Jesse along with the dollars signs will be taken under serious advisement!!

I stopped reading when I came across Nita’s reply @ 1:42. Her last sentence in particular is dead-on.

He’s basically returning a favor, politics is such a business.

Constance, you sound like Marquis de Sade

Maybe black people are just scared that if Barack isn’t able to pull this country out of the horrible mess that was the last 8 years, then ‘we’ will never be given another chance at the White House. I am not saying that reasoning is right because it is just living scared and with that reasoning, it will never be the right time. But maybe that is how some people feel. To those people I have to say that if everything was alright, a black president would not have to get elected because they wouldn’t need a capable, driven person. Any white pawn could do the job if all was going well. Because we are in a tough situation, they are actually listening to what a smart man has to say and entertaining the idea of letting him into office DESPITE the fact that he is black.

that nicca needs to sit the hell down. what a hater- Barack don’t need him nor Al Sharpton runnin their mouths about nothing